by publius
What’d you think? (And, anyone found a video link to the full speech yet?)
UPDATE – Video here — thanks to our tireless commenters. 🙂
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by publius
What’d you think? (And, anyone found a video link to the full speech yet?)
UPDATE – Video here — thanks to our tireless commenters. 🙂
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The prepared remarks. No video that I can find yet, though.
Here ya’ go. And here is CNN’s transcript. In case you think Obama’s site is a dirty rotten liar. ^.^
Haven’t heard the speech but saw on one of those TV news scrolls while eating lunch at a deli that 200,000 showed up in Berlin for the speech.
That’s hard to believe — 200,000!
I just come from the speech. I think he played it safe and said nothing that could be (reasonably) construed as controversial. He didn’t even take the risk of directly saying: You (Germans) should send more troops to Afghanistan, although it was clearly implied.
Talented speaker meets friendly audience resulting in no real surprises.
In order not to be mistaken: I do not regret having gone there. Interesting experience.
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Too few metal detectors. The last 50 meters took me an hour and there was still room for more people directly in front of the podium.
“What’d you think?”
I thought the words and ideas had great meaning. I think it reads very well, and I agree with it.
I’m for all that.
Y’all?
“He didn’t even take the risk of directly saying: You (Germans) should send more troops to Afghanistan, although it was clearly implied.”
Speech:
You may have missed the entirely explicit “and your troops.”
It’s in the CNN transcript, as well.
May have happened when I tried to get an even better view and walked into the superposition zone of the loudspeakers. I only remember “support” or something in that area but not specific “troops”.
I agree with Hartmut: nothing controversial but well-scripted.
Best line of the speech:
“If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope.”
With the seventh anniversary of 9-11 approaching, I can’t recall President Bush saying anything as hopeful and coherent as that.
Pretty cool that you were there, Hartmut. Was it a mostly young crowd?
Imho that sounds more like a call to continue staying than a call to send more troops.
Imho that sounds more like a call to continue staying than a call to send more troops.
Actually, my favorite bit is his inserting the following question, after asking whether we’re willing to stand up for the human rights of various people around the world:
“Will we reject torture and stand for the rule of law?”
Now, this shouldn’t be controversial, but for the U.S. today, it may be, and it needs to be said.
“. . . stand for the rule of law?”
A novel idea.
“I agree with Hartmut: nothing controversial but well-scripted.”
Version soon to appear as translated on various rightwing sites: “We must surrender to Al Qaeda as soon as possible; I call on you all to become dhimmis — as soon as my civilian national security force of illegal Mexican immigrants is ready to impose this on you, along with mandatory homosexuality, and 300% taxes; now, join me, and my Vice-Presidential running mate, Osama bin Laden Marx, in denouncing my honkie grandmother, you Nazis.”
Re: “Disciples”
Obama went overseas and was critical of the United States of America. That is a no no. Obama will not reflect on criticism directed towards him though. It is not in his nature. He will just get angry and have his JNM.
But the reporters will reflect on the criticism directed towards the reporters. The three anchors on the plane vs. one camera at the airport will stick. They will continue to be mocked by the right and will react by trying to prove that they are objective. Stable college graduates go into the world and strive to do something.
College graduates who strive to report on the actions of others while having their face on TV are not stable. Their flaw is that they need positive feedback on a regular basis. Lawyers are similar, but their condition is generally not as advanced. Politicians’ conditions are generally more advanced. Obama is a record-breaker.*
The arrogance and thin skin of reporters will trump their ideology. And they will begin to be critical of Obama. Which will accelerate his JNM. See his dad’s life story.
*In accordance with the posting rules, no disrespect is intended towards reporters, lawyers, politicians, or Obama supporters.
Adolf Osama bin Laden Marx . . .
Scary indeed how right-wing blogs, and Fox Noise, will interpret the speech.
Obama’s poor grandmom . . .
As ridiculous as I find the notion that a nine day touch-and-go style trip of several countries somehow enhances one’s Commander-in-Chief credentials, I cannot help but feel that this trip, and today’s speech, have really helped.
The quality of being “Presidential” is elusive, but there was no doubt about it today- Obama looked like a World Leader.
The speech reminded me just how good he really is, and how excited I am about his candidacy.
“Re: ‘Disciples'”
Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion. Assertion.
Very convincing.
From cite: “Obama is not used to being criticized.”
Nonsensical lie. But people who find the argument by assertion convincing think it will convince others.
Wait, do you need me to support that claim somehow?
Unsurprisingly, the horrors of a polity not being just WASPs.
“Obama went overseas and criticized the United States of America.”
Ding-ding-ding!
BOB, you win the prize for pointing that out first.
Surely, you can’t be serious.
Y’all?
Mistake to do it IMO.
People of Berlin – people of the world – this is our moment. This is our time.
Expect to see that in an RNC ad. Developing meme is that he’s acting like he’s running for president of the world. I don’t think it will play well in the heartland.
McCain was smart IMO to run ads in the three US cities named Berlin today, doing it in all US cities named Paris tomorrow.
Beyond the speech:
Getting a bit ahead of himself I think.
Snubbing the military is usually not a great idea.
Meanwhile, as he gets bashed here and many other places over Iraq, McCain is closing the gap in battleground states over Iraq of all things.
I think this link should work, Publius:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25835684#25835684
John Jay was not a WASP Gary. He was from France. The Federalist Papers are pretty good though, I think even Publius has read them. They, in my opinion, represent what is probably the high point of Western Civilization.
We all know that Barack Obama is a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago. But when he goes overseas and calls himself a Citizen of the World, I’m kind of skeptical that Obama has read the Federalist Papers. Either that or he does not agree with them. Maybe there is a comprehension issue.
OCSteve: they do recognize that ‘people of the world’ was a riff off the line from the speech he quoted by the mayor of Berlin? And that he didn’t think it was respectful to go to the military base on a trip paid for by the campaign, as opposed to the CODEL part in Kuwait/Afghanistan/Iraq, where he did visit the military?
Sigh…
On the other hand, if the best the RNC can do is note that he addressed people outside the US, I don’t know that we have that much to worry about. Though I personally plan to act as though we’re 30 points behind when I’m out registering voters, etc.
OCSteve, you may be right. ButI give the good folks in the heartland more credit than that.
Why would they take it as a bad thing that the rest of the world likes our president?
Then again, as you note, the polls seem awfully close for what should be a Democratic year.
BOB, I’ve only been to England and Russia in my 45 years on the planet but I would take it as a compliment if someone called me a “citizen of the world.”
Maybe it’s because we’ve had eight years of President Bush and have now listened to Bush Lite for the past year on the campaign trail but when giving a speech isn’t the speaker allowed some poetic license or a good turn of phrase.
OCSteve, I assume you also thought that McCain’s decision to go to a German restaurant was also a good contrast. 🙂 I mean, is he attempting to try and lamely copy Obama?
The only thing missing from the McCain campaign during Obama’s trip was McCain going to a synagogue while Obama was in Israel and going to a US military base while Obama was in Iraq.
I’d also add that I thought the attempt to go out to the oil rig only to have it cancelled by the weather and the oil spill was a nice touch.
Here’s what McCain thinks, as he sticks his foot in his mouth again:
As the post points out, is Canada not another country? Is he so senile that he can’t remember that he did just that only a month ago?
Full post can be found here.