Too Late, Alas

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by wj

Overturning Roe v Wade has gotten lots of play here this week. But it wasn’t the only decision with an impact on our lives.

Today, the US Senate managed, for the first time in 30 years, to pass a gun control bill. A bipartisan gun control bill. The bill itself is a far cry from what is needed. But still, it’s far better than the nothing that has been the rule for decades. Having cleared the hurdle that is the Senate, it seems certain that it will pass the House and get signed. So, progress.

However, I see the Supreme Court’s decision in NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION, INC., ET AL. v. BRUEN, SUPERINTENDENT OF NEW YORK STATE POLICE, ET AL.. A decision which, pretty clearly, means that this Court will never allow any restrictions on guns. So why would anyone think that this bill will stand up to the first challenge to it? Being a Federal law, rather a state law, doesn’t seem likely to persuade the Court.

It will be wonderful if this bill convinces even a few Republicans that gun control isn’t a total loser for them. More gun control might get thru Congress in the future. But will it actually matter at this date? Not the way the smart money bets.

Weekend Open Thread

388 thoughts on “Too Late, Alas”

  1. I wish I shared your optimism, and admittedly, I haven’t read it. But I kinda feel – much like the election of Dolt45 gave the green light to saying the crazy out loud – SCOTUS just lit a fire under our Cold Civil War. With 400 million guns already out there, I sadly expect more Uvaldes, not less.

  2. I wish I shared your optimism, and admittedly, I haven’t read it. But I kinda feel – much like the election of Dolt45 gave the green light to saying the crazy out loud – SCOTUS just lit a fire under our Cold Civil War. With 400 million guns already out there, I sadly expect more Uvaldes, not less.

  3. The New York law was overturned not because it required concealed carry licenses. But because officials could arbitrarily deny licenses. More often against minorities.
    “Actor Ron Perlman tried to portray the decision as somehow racist. But many have attested that it’s the New York rule requiring people show cause to legally carry concealed weapons that is applied in discriminatory ways, with black people and other racial and ethnic minorities less likely to be granted a permit and more likely to be arrested for carrying without a permit. The National African American Gun Association and Black Guns Matter both submitted amicus briefs to the Court in favor of overturning the law. So did a group of public defenders, who said it disproportionately affected black and Hispanic New Yorkers.
    …
    For what it’s worth, a number of states don’t require any permit at all for concealed carry, most require a permit but will issue to anyone who meets the criteria (such as safety training and no domestic violence convictions), and only eight states—including New York—say authorities can deny permits even if people meet these requirements. It’s this last group that the new SCOTUS decision affects.”
    The Online Freakout Over Yesterday’s Supreme Court Decisions

  4. The New York law was overturned not because it required concealed carry licenses. But because officials could arbitrarily deny licenses. More often against minorities.
    “Actor Ron Perlman tried to portray the decision as somehow racist. But many have attested that it’s the New York rule requiring people show cause to legally carry concealed weapons that is applied in discriminatory ways, with black people and other racial and ethnic minorities less likely to be granted a permit and more likely to be arrested for carrying without a permit. The National African American Gun Association and Black Guns Matter both submitted amicus briefs to the Court in favor of overturning the law. So did a group of public defenders, who said it disproportionately affected black and Hispanic New Yorkers.
    …
    For what it’s worth, a number of states don’t require any permit at all for concealed carry, most require a permit but will issue to anyone who meets the criteria (such as safety training and no domestic violence convictions), and only eight states—including New York—say authorities can deny permits even if people meet these requirements. It’s this last group that the new SCOTUS decision affects.”
    The Online Freakout Over Yesterday’s Supreme Court Decisions

  5. Open thread, so… On a lighter note, if not lighter fare, I got a deconstructed rouladen/Austrian goulash thing going on, inspired by some place in Salzburg I can’t remember the name of. It’s 81°F here, with a RealFeel (however they calculate that) of 88°F so I should probably be going with a cool chicken salad & a fresh tomato/bell pepper thing, but hey, when you get a hankerin’…
    Bonus: had to crack a bottle of red to deglaze the pot & glaze the brain.
    If that hasn’t offended everyone on the Continent, I dunno what else I can do. Summer Thanksgiving should make for plenty of conversational fireworks. I think I might just go fishing. Stay well, all.
    Also, Austrian goulash beats Hungarian goulash and I will die on this hill. Fight me. 😉

  6. Open thread, so… On a lighter note, if not lighter fare, I got a deconstructed rouladen/Austrian goulash thing going on, inspired by some place in Salzburg I can’t remember the name of. It’s 81°F here, with a RealFeel (however they calculate that) of 88°F so I should probably be going with a cool chicken salad & a fresh tomato/bell pepper thing, but hey, when you get a hankerin’…
    Bonus: had to crack a bottle of red to deglaze the pot & glaze the brain.
    If that hasn’t offended everyone on the Continent, I dunno what else I can do. Summer Thanksgiving should make for plenty of conversational fireworks. I think I might just go fishing. Stay well, all.
    Also, Austrian goulash beats Hungarian goulash and I will die on this hill. Fight me. 😉

  7. I think we should look to Jesus as an example. No, not that one, the one over there. Wait, what about that third one. No wonder, the tongues:
    “In an old interview, Herschel Walker explains why he didn’t think his Multiple Personality Disorder is a mental illness: “Do our Lord Jesus Christ have a mental illness because he said he’s the father, the son and the Holy Spirit? To me, those are 3 different personalities.”
    from https://www.wonkette.com/-2657544192
    Someone made a funny the other day that Walker is like an advent calendar for newly discovered kids he has sired …. a new one every day.
    I wonder if it would be funny to speculate on a similar advent calendar revealing possible fetuses not brought to term by his conquests.
    Probably not. He’s a conservative thug and would probably kill me for bringing it up.
    I have a comment regarding the evil double-edged racist strategy of the conservative movement anointing low quality, unqualified black conservatives, as a supplement to the low quality white racist trash they recruit, for political office, but I can’t decide how politically correct fragile conservative vermin will handle it.
    I mean, I’m so elite, and all of them are so armed that one-way gunfire could result.
    And Charles, I am all for black and other minority New Yorkers achieving equal status in concealed gun permitting with their more privileged counterparts, if we are going to allow concealed weapons in public at all.
    In fact, I now want the concealment part to go away altogether.
    What’s to hide?
    I want mandatory open carry of completely unregulated firearms for every man, woman, and child in all of America. I want fully loaded, safety off firearms of unlimited caliber and automatic capability on the table in plain sight for both sides during every political, commercial, boss/worker, dating, bartender/customer, doctor/patient, law enforcement/citizen, retail clerk/customer/shoplifter, judge/jury/defendant, student/teacher, clergy/layman, batter/umpire, theater usher/theater goer, Halloween trick or treat transaction in America, no exceptions, public, private, and personal.
    Think of the politeness that will result. The honesty, the kindness, the fair play, the equality of intention and result that will ensue.
    The absolute leveling of all power relationships.
    And the silence.
    You’ll love the silence.

  8. I think we should look to Jesus as an example. No, not that one, the one over there. Wait, what about that third one. No wonder, the tongues:
    “In an old interview, Herschel Walker explains why he didn’t think his Multiple Personality Disorder is a mental illness: “Do our Lord Jesus Christ have a mental illness because he said he’s the father, the son and the Holy Spirit? To me, those are 3 different personalities.”
    from https://www.wonkette.com/-2657544192
    Someone made a funny the other day that Walker is like an advent calendar for newly discovered kids he has sired …. a new one every day.
    I wonder if it would be funny to speculate on a similar advent calendar revealing possible fetuses not brought to term by his conquests.
    Probably not. He’s a conservative thug and would probably kill me for bringing it up.
    I have a comment regarding the evil double-edged racist strategy of the conservative movement anointing low quality, unqualified black conservatives, as a supplement to the low quality white racist trash they recruit, for political office, but I can’t decide how politically correct fragile conservative vermin will handle it.
    I mean, I’m so elite, and all of them are so armed that one-way gunfire could result.
    And Charles, I am all for black and other minority New Yorkers achieving equal status in concealed gun permitting with their more privileged counterparts, if we are going to allow concealed weapons in public at all.
    In fact, I now want the concealment part to go away altogether.
    What’s to hide?
    I want mandatory open carry of completely unregulated firearms for every man, woman, and child in all of America. I want fully loaded, safety off firearms of unlimited caliber and automatic capability on the table in plain sight for both sides during every political, commercial, boss/worker, dating, bartender/customer, doctor/patient, law enforcement/citizen, retail clerk/customer/shoplifter, judge/jury/defendant, student/teacher, clergy/layman, batter/umpire, theater usher/theater goer, Halloween trick or treat transaction in America, no exceptions, public, private, and personal.
    Think of the politeness that will result. The honesty, the kindness, the fair play, the equality of intention and result that will ensue.
    The absolute leveling of all power relationships.
    And the silence.
    You’ll love the silence.

  13. Of course SCOTUS allows, actually demanded and got a restriction on guns: within their own vicinity unless they belonged to their bodyguards. Your freedom ends within the range of a typical firearm of(f) them.

  14. Of course SCOTUS allows, actually demanded and got a restriction on guns: within their own vicinity unless they belonged to their bodyguards. Your freedom ends within the range of a typical firearm of(f) them.

  15. Prediction: Tyrannosaurus Rump gets quietly bypassed between now and ‘24 and De Santis takes over the Crazy Train. Indicted or not, I think evangelicals are going to salve their consciences with some easy scapegoating and continue on.

  16. Prediction: Tyrannosaurus Rump gets quietly bypassed between now and ‘24 and De Santis takes over the Crazy Train. Indicted or not, I think evangelicals are going to salve their consciences with some easy scapegoating and continue on.

  17. Prediction: Tyrannosaurus Rump gets quietly bypassed between now and ‘24 and De Santis takes over the Crazy Train.
    Prediction: When they try to move on, Trump has a hissy fit.** And tells his cultists (overlaping, but not identical to, evangelicals) to stay home rather than vote for DeSantis (or whoever). Not unlike him saying that he would rather see Stacy Abrams as Governor of Georgia than another Kemp term.
    ** Among the world’s safest predictions.

  18. Prediction: Tyrannosaurus Rump gets quietly bypassed between now and ‘24 and De Santis takes over the Crazy Train.
    Prediction: When they try to move on, Trump has a hissy fit.** And tells his cultists (overlaping, but not identical to, evangelicals) to stay home rather than vote for DeSantis (or whoever). Not unlike him saying that he would rather see Stacy Abrams as Governor of Georgia than another Kemp term.
    ** Among the world’s safest predictions.

  19. Pete, your edgy goulash provocation you are baiting us with does not trigger me as it is a far more controversial subject than I am emotionally equipped to opine on in these sedate, evenhanded times.
    I’m trying hold it together over here.
    If you want to fight about it, my card is full of less weighty issues.
    Plus, I am not licensed to carry tongs, serving spoons or loose macaroni noodles on my person across state lines, and you may not know this, but both Hungarian and Austrian goulash recipes are prohibited from entering the American consciousness at our borders, so all this talk of the Continent has raised the hackles on our racist, nationalist border guards, who were born in Mexico, on ful alert.

  20. Pete, your edgy goulash provocation you are baiting us with does not trigger me as it is a far more controversial subject than I am emotionally equipped to opine on in these sedate, evenhanded times.
    I’m trying hold it together over here.
    If you want to fight about it, my card is full of less weighty issues.
    Plus, I am not licensed to carry tongs, serving spoons or loose macaroni noodles on my person across state lines, and you may not know this, but both Hungarian and Austrian goulash recipes are prohibited from entering the American consciousness at our borders, so all this talk of the Continent has raised the hackles on our racist, nationalist border guards, who were born in Mexico, on ful alert.

  23. DeSantis had threatened to close the border between his authoritarian monarchy and the state of Georgia if Stacey Abrams is elected Governor of Florida.
    His assassins would of course be permitted to travel to Georgia for important conservative movement business.

  24. DeSantis had threatened to close the border between his authoritarian monarchy and the state of Georgia if Stacey Abrams is elected Governor of Florida.
    His assassins would of course be permitted to travel to Georgia for important conservative movement business.

  31. Thank you for that. I needed the laugh!
    Related to the Digby thing et al, it’s nice to think Garland would be some keel that woulda kept the ship right, but I’m not so sure. From what I’ve seen so far, he’s got all the steel of a jellyfish. He was nominated for the virtue of being milquetoast.

  32. Thank you for that. I needed the laugh!
    Related to the Digby thing et al, it’s nice to think Garland would be some keel that woulda kept the ship right, but I’m not so sure. From what I’ve seen so far, he’s got all the steel of a jellyfish. He was nominated for the virtue of being milquetoast.

  33. But wait! There’s more! Next week we get West Virginia v. EPA, when the Fossil Fuel Six hold that it’s unconstitutional for the US to take any actions that might be effective against climate change, at either the federal or state level.
    I thought Ministry For the Future was a little over the top with terrorists assassinating government executives and CEOs at fossil fuel companies. Maybe not.
    Monsoon flow is erratic here so far. Not surprising, given it’s here a month early.

  34. But wait! There’s more! Next week we get West Virginia v. EPA, when the Fossil Fuel Six hold that it’s unconstitutional for the US to take any actions that might be effective against climate change, at either the federal or state level.
    I thought Ministry For the Future was a little over the top with terrorists assassinating government executives and CEOs at fossil fuel companies. Maybe not.
    Monsoon flow is erratic here so far. Not surprising, given it’s here a month early.

  35. You might note that the Ninth Circuit Court has ruled that California’s age restriction on gun purchases is unconstitutional, a violation of the equal protection clause.
    It certain that red flag laws violate the due process requirements, and eventually they will be ruled unconstitutional, also
    The right to keep and bear arms is in the Constitution. The “right” to an abortion is not; it was a total fabrication, a penumbra.
    Affirmative action is also clearly unconstitutional, because it is always racial discrimination.
    Homosexual marriage is protected by the 14th Amendment.

  36. You might note that the Ninth Circuit Court has ruled that California’s age restriction on gun purchases is unconstitutional, a violation of the equal protection clause.
    It certain that red flag laws violate the due process requirements, and eventually they will be ruled unconstitutional, also
    The right to keep and bear arms is in the Constitution. The “right” to an abortion is not; it was a total fabrication, a penumbra.
    Affirmative action is also clearly unconstitutional, because it is always racial discrimination.
    Homosexual marriage is protected by the 14th Amendment.

  37. Thanks bob sykes, you’re always a ray of sunshine whenever you show up.
    Maybe it’s time to bump the number of justices up to 11 or 13. If that sounds like court packing, allow me to note that the court is already packed. And notably, by two POTUS who lost the popular vote.
    Time to stop acting like the (R)’s are acting in good faith, or with any regard for precedent or process, or out of any desire to find anything remotely like common ground.
    They seek power and they seek to use that power to impose their will. The rest of us need to respond in the light of that reality.
    Folks clutch their pearls and say, gee, if the (D)’s take dramatic action, what will the (R)’s do when it’s their turn? They’re doing it now.

  38. Thanks bob sykes, you’re always a ray of sunshine whenever you show up.
    Maybe it’s time to bump the number of justices up to 11 or 13. If that sounds like court packing, allow me to note that the court is already packed. And notably, by two POTUS who lost the popular vote.
    Time to stop acting like the (R)’s are acting in good faith, or with any regard for precedent or process, or out of any desire to find anything remotely like common ground.
    They seek power and they seek to use that power to impose their will. The rest of us need to respond in the light of that reality.
    Folks clutch their pearls and say, gee, if the (D)’s take dramatic action, what will the (R)’s do when it’s their turn? They’re doing it now.

  39. And FWIW, I live in one of the 8 states where “officials can arbitrarily deny licenses” to carry firearms. I think that is an outstanding policy, because every swinging d*ck who can check all the boxes should not necessarily be walking around with a gun.
    The asshole with no criminal record, but who beats the crap out of his wife / girlfriend / whoever. The knucklehead who can’t get through a weekend without getting into a punch-up. For that matter, the suburban dad who can’t get through a kid’s ball game without threatening the life of the ref.
    Fine with me if those folks can’t carry a gun around.
    And I’m still waiting for the 2nd A hard-asses to explain what the whole “militia” part of that amendment is about. And no, it’s not about the right to get together with a bunch of your buddies and call yourself a militia. The worst thing we’ve done in this country in the last 50 years is tolerate the emergence of private armies.

  40. And FWIW, I live in one of the 8 states where “officials can arbitrarily deny licenses” to carry firearms. I think that is an outstanding policy, because every swinging d*ck who can check all the boxes should not necessarily be walking around with a gun.
    The asshole with no criminal record, but who beats the crap out of his wife / girlfriend / whoever. The knucklehead who can’t get through a weekend without getting into a punch-up. For that matter, the suburban dad who can’t get through a kid’s ball game without threatening the life of the ref.
    Fine with me if those folks can’t carry a gun around.
    And I’m still waiting for the 2nd A hard-asses to explain what the whole “militia” part of that amendment is about. And no, it’s not about the right to get together with a bunch of your buddies and call yourself a militia. The worst thing we’ve done in this country in the last 50 years is tolerate the emergence of private armies.

  41. Where is the right to hunt mentioned in the Constitution? Or to fish, for that matter? Do we have a Constitutional right to slaughter animals for food, or is that one of those penumbra things?
    –TP

  42. Where is the right to hunt mentioned in the Constitution? Or to fish, for that matter? Do we have a Constitutional right to slaughter animals for food, or is that one of those penumbra things?
    –TP

  43. The right to keep and bear arms is in the Constitution.
    It is. For a “well regulated militia“. Applying it to individuals is a very recent extension. For enthusiasts of “original intent”, that pretty clearly wasn’t.

  44. The right to keep and bear arms is in the Constitution.
    It is. For a “well regulated militia“. Applying it to individuals is a very recent extension. For enthusiasts of “original intent”, that pretty clearly wasn’t.

  45. Maybe it’s time to bump the number of justices up to 11 or 13. If that sounds like court packing, allow me to note that the court is already packed. And notably, by two POTUS who lost the popular vote.
    Time to stop acting like the (R)’s are acting in good faith, or with any regard for precedent or process, or out of any desire to find anything remotely like common ground.
    They seek power and they seek to use that power to impose their will. The rest of us need to respond in the light of that reality.
    This. Every. Single. Word.

  46. Maybe it’s time to bump the number of justices up to 11 or 13. If that sounds like court packing, allow me to note that the court is already packed. And notably, by two POTUS who lost the popular vote.
    Time to stop acting like the (R)’s are acting in good faith, or with any regard for precedent or process, or out of any desire to find anything remotely like common ground.
    They seek power and they seek to use that power to impose their will. The rest of us need to respond in the light of that reality.
    This. Every. Single. Word.

  47. The “right” to an abortion is not; it was a total fabrication, a penumbra.
    Here’s an argument that the right to an abortion is an unenumerated right and should receive the same respect as enumerated rights.
    “At the heart of Justice Samuel Alito’s opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which overturns Roe v. Wade (1973) and eliminates the constitutional right to abortion, is Alito’s objection that “the Constitution makes no mention of abortion.” For Alito and the many legal conservatives who think like him, unenumerated constitutional rights are inherently suspect. When a court recognizes an unenumerated right, these conservatives say, that court is almost certainly guilty of judicial activism.
    But this conservative mindset is at odds with constitutional text and history, both of which make clear that unenumerated rights     are entitled to the same respect as the small handful of rights that the Constitution specifically lists.
    …
    That same original understanding extends to the Ninth Amendment. Because the states followed the common law at the founding, the American people originally understood that lawmakers lacked the lawful power to prohibit women from ending an unwanted pregnancy during its early stages. The freedom to end an unwanted pregnancy before quickening thus falls within the original meaning and understanding of a right “retained by the people.””
    Alito’s Abortion Ruling Overturning Roe Is an Insult to the 9th Amendment: The Constitution protects many more rights than it mentions, as James Madison explained.

  48. The “right” to an abortion is not; it was a total fabrication, a penumbra.
    Here’s an argument that the right to an abortion is an unenumerated right and should receive the same respect as enumerated rights.
    “At the heart of Justice Samuel Alito’s opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which overturns Roe v. Wade (1973) and eliminates the constitutional right to abortion, is Alito’s objection that “the Constitution makes no mention of abortion.” For Alito and the many legal conservatives who think like him, unenumerated constitutional rights are inherently suspect. When a court recognizes an unenumerated right, these conservatives say, that court is almost certainly guilty of judicial activism.
    But this conservative mindset is at odds with constitutional text and history, both of which make clear that unenumerated rights     are entitled to the same respect as the small handful of rights that the Constitution specifically lists.
    …
    That same original understanding extends to the Ninth Amendment. Because the states followed the common law at the founding, the American people originally understood that lawmakers lacked the lawful power to prohibit women from ending an unwanted pregnancy during its early stages. The freedom to end an unwanted pregnancy before quickening thus falls within the original meaning and understanding of a right “retained by the people.””
    Alito’s Abortion Ruling Overturning Roe Is an Insult to the 9th Amendment: The Constitution protects many more rights than it mentions, as James Madison explained.

  49. The Ds must act. The fundraising emails are just not cutting it. Another sternly worded talking to will not cut it.
    Act. Correct later if necessary, but the fear and passive inertia must be broken.

  50. The Ds must act. The fundraising emails are just not cutting it. Another sternly worded talking to will not cut it.
    Act. Correct later if necessary, but the fear and passive inertia must be broken.

  51. These peaceful protestors must next time show up with Bill Sikes’ recommended full individual self-defense Second Amendment protection against vermin subhuman fascist conservative government that deprives them of the protections afforded by all of the other constitutional amendments, including their free speech and freedom of assembly.
    https://www.eschatonblog.com/2022/06/8-cant-wait_0279629566.html
    Those Uvalde, Texas children were butchered by not only the murderer who carried out the killings but by the vermin who sold him the weapon, the vermin who licensed the weapon, the vermin who voted to permit him to own and transport the weapon, the vermin judges who upheld those so-called rights, the vermin who elected the legislators, judges, at all levels of vermin conservative government, and the vermin governor and his thugs, who provided the murder weapon and the ammo, and all of the so-called citizens who voted for these filth.
    The weapon was God-given. Then God requires a bullet in his universal brain stem, because he’s nothing but a stinking mercenary gunrunner.
    Those Uvalde parents and other family members of the dead should be gunning up now to wreak savage vengeance against all of the above parties.
    The gunman is dead. But he was merely one killer in a battalion of murderers protecting him and having back as he mass murdered.
    I’m going to let the Founders off the hook for the time being, because they are fucking dead, and because I can’t definitely parse what they intended or could foresee in weapons technology and in their various misjudgements regarding vile human nature, I don’t think much at all, but if they do show up somehow and tell me all of this shit is copacetic, I will direct them to speak into the business end of a fully loaded automatic weapon and speak up, I can’t hear you.
    That cuck dude who was waving around a semi-automatic in a retail space while wearing body armor the other week and was released without charges because he was breaking no law in fact broke MY personal laws, which is that if I need to walk or run away from such a fuck for fear that he is, by all appearances, whether in civilized public during the normal course of a day OR while I’m disembarking on Omaha Beach to be shot at by Nazis, going to shoot me, AND that I have been intimidated into stifling my First Amendment opinion (“Excuse me sir, but that is a very inappropriate way to dress and behave in this particular civilized context, could you perhaps return home and lose the gun, the body armor and that smirk on your face, ya know, for the sake of the children who are just now running away from you” .. or “Hey cocksucker, you wanna go, or you gonna put that fucking shit away in my presence?” both expressions of protected speech) for fear again of being shot dead if I speak.
    I will not live like this, Bill Sikes, you and your trained constitutional killer dog too.
    All future decisions about every item of governance in this country will be made under the threat of murderous gunfire, because it’s the only available method in these late days of making the conservative movement back the goddamed fuck off.
    If they hobble or do away with the federal administrative state, then I got news for ya.
    I, and legions of pissed off citizens, are now the Administrators.
    And foolish jagoffs have provided us with the full deadly force to enforce the regs and laws we decide should be enforced.
    The conservative movement of course will kill all of us, because they have said so.

  52. These peaceful protestors must next time show up with Bill Sikes’ recommended full individual self-defense Second Amendment protection against vermin subhuman fascist conservative government that deprives them of the protections afforded by all of the other constitutional amendments, including their free speech and freedom of assembly.
    https://www.eschatonblog.com/2022/06/8-cant-wait_0279629566.html
    Those Uvalde, Texas children were butchered by not only the murderer who carried out the killings but by the vermin who sold him the weapon, the vermin who licensed the weapon, the vermin who voted to permit him to own and transport the weapon, the vermin judges who upheld those so-called rights, the vermin who elected the legislators, judges, at all levels of vermin conservative government, and the vermin governor and his thugs, who provided the murder weapon and the ammo, and all of the so-called citizens who voted for these filth.
    The weapon was God-given. Then God requires a bullet in his universal brain stem, because he’s nothing but a stinking mercenary gunrunner.
    Those Uvalde parents and other family members of the dead should be gunning up now to wreak savage vengeance against all of the above parties.
    The gunman is dead. But he was merely one killer in a battalion of murderers protecting him and having back as he mass murdered.
    I’m going to let the Founders off the hook for the time being, because they are fucking dead, and because I can’t definitely parse what they intended or could foresee in weapons technology and in their various misjudgements regarding vile human nature, I don’t think much at all, but if they do show up somehow and tell me all of this shit is copacetic, I will direct them to speak into the business end of a fully loaded automatic weapon and speak up, I can’t hear you.
    That cuck dude who was waving around a semi-automatic in a retail space while wearing body armor the other week and was released without charges because he was breaking no law in fact broke MY personal laws, which is that if I need to walk or run away from such a fuck for fear that he is, by all appearances, whether in civilized public during the normal course of a day OR while I’m disembarking on Omaha Beach to be shot at by Nazis, going to shoot me, AND that I have been intimidated into stifling my First Amendment opinion (“Excuse me sir, but that is a very inappropriate way to dress and behave in this particular civilized context, could you perhaps return home and lose the gun, the body armor and that smirk on your face, ya know, for the sake of the children who are just now running away from you” .. or “Hey cocksucker, you wanna go, or you gonna put that fucking shit away in my presence?” both expressions of protected speech) for fear again of being shot dead if I speak.
    I will not live like this, Bill Sikes, you and your trained constitutional killer dog too.
    All future decisions about every item of governance in this country will be made under the threat of murderous gunfire, because it’s the only available method in these late days of making the conservative movement back the goddamed fuck off.
    If they hobble or do away with the federal administrative state, then I got news for ya.
    I, and legions of pissed off citizens, are now the Administrators.
    And foolish jagoffs have provided us with the full deadly force to enforce the regs and laws we decide should be enforced.
    The conservative movement of course will kill all of us, because they have said so.

  53. And FWIW, I live in one of the 8 states where “officials can arbitrarily deny licenses” to carry firearms.
    A number of these states are likely to raise the bar for everyone wanting a concealed carry permit. Which will pass muster as long as the requirements are applied equally to everyone.
    The asshole with no criminal record, but who beats the crap out of his wife / girlfriend / whoever. The knucklehead who can’t get through a weekend without getting into a punch-up. For that matter, the suburban dad who can’t get through a kid’s ball game without threatening the life of the ref.
    The various states’ laws already have requirements that applicants for permits not have criminal records, histories of domestic violence, etc. The law was overturned on the requirement that applicants had to convenience officials that they had a risk or circumstance that justified the need for a permit.

  54. And FWIW, I live in one of the 8 states where “officials can arbitrarily deny licenses” to carry firearms.
    A number of these states are likely to raise the bar for everyone wanting a concealed carry permit. Which will pass muster as long as the requirements are applied equally to everyone.
    The asshole with no criminal record, but who beats the crap out of his wife / girlfriend / whoever. The knucklehead who can’t get through a weekend without getting into a punch-up. For that matter, the suburban dad who can’t get through a kid’s ball game without threatening the life of the ref.
    The various states’ laws already have requirements that applicants for permits not have criminal records, histories of domestic violence, etc. The law was overturned on the requirement that applicants had to convenience officials that they had a risk or circumstance that justified the need for a permit.

  57. nous: Act. Correct later if necessary …
    “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it,” said Andrew Jackson, 19th century America’s preview of He, Trump.
    Joe Biden needs to take a cue from Jackson. Short term, suspend all federal funding of public works in states that restrict choice. Let them sue. Tell any judge or “Justice” who rules in their favor to pound sand. Start moving military operations out of bases in anti-choice states, be blatant about it, and ignore any lawsuits over it. Provide free transportation to pro-choice states out of those bases for women seeking abortions. Or just open abortion clinics there, and declare them to be under federal, not state, jurisdiction. Then invite all Senators and Congressmen from those anti-choice states to lunch, and explain very nicely that all will return to normal as soon as they vote to codify Roe in federal law.
    I’d call that act now, correct later. But I’m an idiot, not a Democrat.
    –TP

  58. nous: Act. Correct later if necessary …
    “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it,” said Andrew Jackson, 19th century America’s preview of He, Trump.
    Joe Biden needs to take a cue from Jackson. Short term, suspend all federal funding of public works in states that restrict choice. Let them sue. Tell any judge or “Justice” who rules in their favor to pound sand. Start moving military operations out of bases in anti-choice states, be blatant about it, and ignore any lawsuits over it. Provide free transportation to pro-choice states out of those bases for women seeking abortions. Or just open abortion clinics there, and declare them to be under federal, not state, jurisdiction. Then invite all Senators and Congressmen from those anti-choice states to lunch, and explain very nicely that all will return to normal as soon as they vote to codify Roe in federal law.
    I’d call that act now, correct later. But I’m an idiot, not a Democrat.
    –TP

  59. @Tony – Not disagreeing with your spirit, but just wanted to point out that failure to spend money that Congress has appropriated, for the purposes and in the places that Congress has specified, is unlawful. Another of those things we can thank Dick Nixon for. Nixon was notorious for impounding funds, and Congress finally had enough.

  60. @Tony – Not disagreeing with your spirit, but just wanted to point out that failure to spend money that Congress has appropriated, for the purposes and in the places that Congress has specified, is unlawful. Another of those things we can thank Dick Nixon for. Nixon was notorious for impounding funds, and Congress finally had enough.

  61. On the early side of Too Late, Alas, but let’s keep it in our peripheral vision:
    https://www.politico.eu/article/suwalki-gap-russia-war-nato-lithuania-poland-border/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
    Putin’s fifth column American comrades, all traitors, such as those at TAC, would be formidable opponents of any American response .. from a Democratic President … to Putin genocide in eastern Europe, but they might quickly change their minds and become more amenable to mushroom clouds if it distracted tens of millions of Americans who are ready to declare civil war against America’s right wing to halt the advances of its fascist plan for America.
    Mitt Romney would not go along with them on that count, but how many divisions does he have left in the radical, ruthless Republican Party, except to defend his offshore accounts against taxation and let Joe Manchin rub up against him for the next grooming.
    On the other hand, Putin might encourage them to mount a violent domestic resistance to America defending NATO and the Balkans with promises to support their further destruction and defunding of the US Government domestically, and undermining honest elections, the latter of which Romney would acquiesce to, being the two-faced fratboy religious poseur he is.
    The conservative movement historically has always worked behind the scenes overseas to undermine Democratic Presidential foreign policy … they ARE fucking traitorous bastards .. and they are persistently disciplined …. so they may try to encourage and goad China into invading Taiwan …. no more chips from Taiwan Semiconductor, goodbye entire American industries, including defense … as another way of diverting attention away from their Christian, white nationalist anti-abortion, anti-LGBT Orthodox brother Putin’s actions in Europe.
    The stuff I throw at the wall is outlandish, but even I’m amazed at how much of it regarding the ultimate aims of the anti-American conservative movement has stuck over the past 20 years of shooting my mouth off here, even if much of it has only reached its full stink recently.
    I don’t mind if folks throw it back at me. I just read what they say they are going to do.
    Make no mistake, they are sincere.
    I’ll be interested to observe how Rod Dreher, in the midst now of a lengthy jaunt thru Europe photo-bombing with right wing orthodox celebrities, reacts when Russian troops pour into eastern Europe.
    I would counsel the State Department to revoke his passport and not allow his return to America because his loyalties, except to traitor Trump, are suspect at best.
    Just for him, Putin might, simultaneously with an invasion, begin rounding up and disappearing the Russian LGBT and liberal community and fully bringing Russian schooling under the iron rule of the Russian Orthodox Church and gosh, Rod would be torn, I suspect.
    Much of his family in America doesn’t even like him already, the little duped opportunist.
    The basic point is .. we don’t really know who and what we’re dealing with in these villains.
    Even now.

  62. On the early side of Too Late, Alas, but let’s keep it in our peripheral vision:
    https://www.politico.eu/article/suwalki-gap-russia-war-nato-lithuania-poland-border/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
    Putin’s fifth column American comrades, all traitors, such as those at TAC, would be formidable opponents of any American response .. from a Democratic President … to Putin genocide in eastern Europe, but they might quickly change their minds and become more amenable to mushroom clouds if it distracted tens of millions of Americans who are ready to declare civil war against America’s right wing to halt the advances of its fascist plan for America.
    Mitt Romney would not go along with them on that count, but how many divisions does he have left in the radical, ruthless Republican Party, except to defend his offshore accounts against taxation and let Joe Manchin rub up against him for the next grooming.
    On the other hand, Putin might encourage them to mount a violent domestic resistance to America defending NATO and the Balkans with promises to support their further destruction and defunding of the US Government domestically, and undermining honest elections, the latter of which Romney would acquiesce to, being the two-faced fratboy religious poseur he is.
    The conservative movement historically has always worked behind the scenes overseas to undermine Democratic Presidential foreign policy … they ARE fucking traitorous bastards .. and they are persistently disciplined …. so they may try to encourage and goad China into invading Taiwan …. no more chips from Taiwan Semiconductor, goodbye entire American industries, including defense … as another way of diverting attention away from their Christian, white nationalist anti-abortion, anti-LGBT Orthodox brother Putin’s actions in Europe.
    The stuff I throw at the wall is outlandish, but even I’m amazed at how much of it regarding the ultimate aims of the anti-American conservative movement has stuck over the past 20 years of shooting my mouth off here, even if much of it has only reached its full stink recently.
    I don’t mind if folks throw it back at me. I just read what they say they are going to do.
    Make no mistake, they are sincere.
    I’ll be interested to observe how Rod Dreher, in the midst now of a lengthy jaunt thru Europe photo-bombing with right wing orthodox celebrities, reacts when Russian troops pour into eastern Europe.
    I would counsel the State Department to revoke his passport and not allow his return to America because his loyalties, except to traitor Trump, are suspect at best.
    Just for him, Putin might, simultaneously with an invasion, begin rounding up and disappearing the Russian LGBT and liberal community and fully bringing Russian schooling under the iron rule of the Russian Orthodox Church and gosh, Rod would be torn, I suspect.
    Much of his family in America doesn’t even like him already, the little duped opportunist.
    The basic point is .. we don’t really know who and what we’re dealing with in these villains.
    Even now.

  63. I know impoundment is unlawful Any court would agree. That’s why I alluded to Andrew Jackson.
    But are there any federal programs that fund state projects on a submit an application and we’ll review it basis? Is the DoD required to keep every one of its operations based wherever it is now? And, just curious, does state law apply on military bases?
    What about waivers of this or that regulation states apply for? Are any of those at the Administration’s discretion?
    –TP

  64. I know impoundment is unlawful Any court would agree. That’s why I alluded to Andrew Jackson.
    But are there any federal programs that fund state projects on a submit an application and we’ll review it basis? Is the DoD required to keep every one of its operations based wherever it is now? And, just curious, does state law apply on military bases?
    What about waivers of this or that regulation states apply for? Are any of those at the Administration’s discretion?
    –TP

  65. just curious, does state law apply on military bases?
    The UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) applies to members of the military, on base or off. So the rwnjs can’t touch them regardless.
    IANAL, but I believe that Federal law, and not state law, applies on any Federal land — not just military bases, but National Parks, etc., as well.

  66. just curious, does state law apply on military bases?
    The UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) applies to members of the military, on base or off. So the rwnjs can’t touch them regardless.
    IANAL, but I believe that Federal law, and not state law, applies on any Federal land — not just military bases, but National Parks, etc., as well.

  67. IANAL, but I believe that Federal law, and not state law, applies on any Federal land — not just military bases, but National Parks, etc., as well.
    Depends. In really simple form, with possible errors because IANAL either (but was a state legislative staffer who had to pretend to be one occasionally)… If a particular act performed on federal land violates a federal law, the feds have jurisdiction. If it does not violate a federal law, but does violate a state law, then the state has jurisdiction. As an example, murder is only a federal crime in some limited circumstances. If you kill someone in a national park, chances are you will be tried in a state court for violating a state law. Lots of things can be waived back and forth. Eg, the feds will probably let the state have a crack at the murder case before they file an “improper discharge of a firearm” case.
    I think you’re right about the UCMJ. Murder is a crime generally under the UCMJ, so for military members, that takes precedence.
    Then there’s that strange situation in Oklahoma that Justice Gorsuch got the four liberals to go along with while RBG was still alive.

  68. IANAL, but I believe that Federal law, and not state law, applies on any Federal land — not just military bases, but National Parks, etc., as well.
    Depends. In really simple form, with possible errors because IANAL either (but was a state legislative staffer who had to pretend to be one occasionally)… If a particular act performed on federal land violates a federal law, the feds have jurisdiction. If it does not violate a federal law, but does violate a state law, then the state has jurisdiction. As an example, murder is only a federal crime in some limited circumstances. If you kill someone in a national park, chances are you will be tried in a state court for violating a state law. Lots of things can be waived back and forth. Eg, the feds will probably let the state have a crack at the murder case before they file an “improper discharge of a firearm” case.
    I think you’re right about the UCMJ. Murder is a crime generally under the UCMJ, so for military members, that takes precedence.
    Then there’s that strange situation in Oklahoma that Justice Gorsuch got the four liberals to go along with while RBG was still alive.

  69. Which will pass muster as long as the requirements are applied equally to everyone.
    I live in MA. The requirements are the same for everyone. Your local police have to agree that you’re not someone who shouldn’t have a gun. As a practical matter, less than 2% of applications are denied, and if you are among that less-than-2-percent and feel you’ve been treated unfairly, you can appeal the decision.
    The law in NY, if I understand correctly, was that you had to demonstrate a need to get a license to carry. Assuming everyone had to meet that same bar, then the requirements applied equally to everyone. Not applying equally would mean that some folks had to demonstrate need, and some did not.

  70. Which will pass muster as long as the requirements are applied equally to everyone.
    I live in MA. The requirements are the same for everyone. Your local police have to agree that you’re not someone who shouldn’t have a gun. As a practical matter, less than 2% of applications are denied, and if you are among that less-than-2-percent and feel you’ve been treated unfairly, you can appeal the decision.
    The law in NY, if I understand correctly, was that you had to demonstrate a need to get a license to carry. Assuming everyone had to meet that same bar, then the requirements applied equally to everyone. Not applying equally would mean that some folks had to demonstrate need, and some did not.

  71. The law in NY, if I understand correctly, was that you had to demonstrate a need to get a license to carry.
    But the NY law was struck down because it required a subjective judgment on the part of officials. What constituted a valid necessity for a license could vary from official to official. Or the judgment of a single official could vary depending on who was asking for a license.

  72. The law in NY, if I understand correctly, was that you had to demonstrate a need to get a license to carry.
    But the NY law was struck down because it required a subjective judgment on the part of officials. What constituted a valid necessity for a license could vary from official to official. Or the judgment of a single official could vary depending on who was asking for a license.

  73. But the NY law was struck down because it required a subjective judgment on the part of officials
    Does it say in the Constitution that officials must not exercise judgement? Does that apply to policemen?

  74. But the NY law was struck down because it required a subjective judgment on the part of officials
    Does it say in the Constitution that officials must not exercise judgement? Does that apply to policemen?

  75. Can’t remember the police being mentioned in the Constitution at all. It’s not part of common law either I presume given the deep-rooted hostility of the British to the very idea.

  76. Can’t remember the police being mentioned in the Constitution at all. It’s not part of common law either I presume given the deep-rooted hostility of the British to the very idea.

  77. Does it say in the Constitution that officials must not exercise judgement?
    We deal with it on a case-by-case basis. Judges are allowed to exercise judgement in sentencing. In places where they are perceived as abusing that authority, they get reined in: tight sentencing guidelines, for example. In other cases we don’t allow judgement at all. OSHA inspectors ask, “Does this conform to the objective rule,” rather than “Is this, IMO, safe?”
    Analogies are always fraught. My basic take on Bruener is that the Court said concealed carry permits are subject to the sort of judgement we use for drivers licenses (shall issue, with a short list of exceptions), not the sort we use for explosives licenses (demonstrate a need).

  78. Does it say in the Constitution that officials must not exercise judgement?
    We deal with it on a case-by-case basis. Judges are allowed to exercise judgement in sentencing. In places where they are perceived as abusing that authority, they get reined in: tight sentencing guidelines, for example. In other cases we don’t allow judgement at all. OSHA inspectors ask, “Does this conform to the objective rule,” rather than “Is this, IMO, safe?”
    Analogies are always fraught. My basic take on Bruener is that the Court said concealed carry permits are subject to the sort of judgement we use for drivers licenses (shall issue, with a short list of exceptions), not the sort we use for explosives licenses (demonstrate a need).

  79. FWIW, it makes complete sense to me that the decision of whether someone should be able to carry a firearm would depend on who was asking for the license.
    I absolutely do not see the 2nd A as referring to an individual right to own a firearm, let alone carry one with you anywhere you go, with no concern for broader public safety or for the character or behavior of the person in question. I doubt the blessed founders were that stupid.
    Or at least, not all of them.

  80. FWIW, it makes complete sense to me that the decision of whether someone should be able to carry a firearm would depend on who was asking for the license.
    I absolutely do not see the 2nd A as referring to an individual right to own a firearm, let alone carry one with you anywhere you go, with no concern for broader public safety or for the character or behavior of the person in question. I doubt the blessed founders were that stupid.
    Or at least, not all of them.

  81. So no judgement across the board will be permitted on the part of regulators and law enforcement?
    Nor may we judge it right and proper and safe and sane to uniformly and entirely ban weapons, at least in public.
    Handing out gun carrying licenses will now be like handing out baseball trophies in a woke baseball little league.
    Everyone gets one for showing up and arranging their faces into angelic innocence.
    If the LAPD decides its arresting officers will use chokeholds on ALL suspects during all arrest proceedings, that’s OK because it is uniform, objective policy across the board, kinda like Texas voting restrictions are OK because they apply to everyone …based on the fucking subjective judgement of ONE political party, the EVIL one at that.
    Natch, the US Supreme Court of Subjective Judgement and Ginny Thomas’ Imposed Personal Opinions is exempt from this fresh Hell of a regime.
    We can do away with Judges altogether.
    Good riddance.
    The Constitution sez nothing.
    What exactly is this “self” that is evident in the truths we declare?
    The only deciding bottom line in human interaction for conservatives and libertarians is who has better aim, more ammo, gets the first shot off, and is left standing.
    Regarding the New York law, I am grateful that now if Bernie Goetz draws his weapon on the subway, the four other punks may now also draw their licensed guns and pump him full of lead, because I love a fair firefight in an enclosed area.
    What a relief that the Uvalde mass murderer of children waltzed thru the regulatory apparatus under the pristinely non-judgemental eyes of Texas jagoffs, who are renowned for their even-handedness and having nor imposing any personal opinions whatsoever, except who to shoot when the shooting is good, and it ain’t decided by the whites of their eyes, it’s only the rest of the white that counts.

  82. So no judgement across the board will be permitted on the part of regulators and law enforcement?
    Nor may we judge it right and proper and safe and sane to uniformly and entirely ban weapons, at least in public.
    Handing out gun carrying licenses will now be like handing out baseball trophies in a woke baseball little league.
    Everyone gets one for showing up and arranging their faces into angelic innocence.
    If the LAPD decides its arresting officers will use chokeholds on ALL suspects during all arrest proceedings, that’s OK because it is uniform, objective policy across the board, kinda like Texas voting restrictions are OK because they apply to everyone …based on the fucking subjective judgement of ONE political party, the EVIL one at that.
    Natch, the US Supreme Court of Subjective Judgement and Ginny Thomas’ Imposed Personal Opinions is exempt from this fresh Hell of a regime.
    We can do away with Judges altogether.
    Good riddance.
    The Constitution sez nothing.
    What exactly is this “self” that is evident in the truths we declare?
    The only deciding bottom line in human interaction for conservatives and libertarians is who has better aim, more ammo, gets the first shot off, and is left standing.
    Regarding the New York law, I am grateful that now if Bernie Goetz draws his weapon on the subway, the four other punks may now also draw their licensed guns and pump him full of lead, because I love a fair firefight in an enclosed area.
    What a relief that the Uvalde mass murderer of children waltzed thru the regulatory apparatus under the pristinely non-judgemental eyes of Texas jagoffs, who are renowned for their even-handedness and having nor imposing any personal opinions whatsoever, except who to shoot when the shooting is good, and it ain’t decided by the whites of their eyes, it’s only the rest of the white that counts.

  83. Re: Michael Cain’s Bruener analogy:
    Cars are used to go from point A to point B. It seems pretty reasonable for folks to not have to demonstrate any particular need to do that.
    Firearms exit to exert deadly force. If that doesn’t call for a demonstration of why an individual would need it, I’m not sure sure what does.
    We’ve lost the ability to use our freaking heads.

  84. Re: Michael Cain’s Bruener analogy:
    Cars are used to go from point A to point B. It seems pretty reasonable for folks to not have to demonstrate any particular need to do that.
    Firearms exit to exert deadly force. If that doesn’t call for a demonstration of why an individual would need it, I’m not sure sure what does.
    We’ve lost the ability to use our freaking heads.

  85. ‘In other cases we don’t allow judgement at all. OSHA inspectors ask, “Does this conform to the objective rule,” rather than “Is this, IMO, safe?”‘
    Judgement or objective rule aside, it matters not, it will be the personal opinion of at least five Supreme Court Deciders that OSHA is dead administrative meat.

  86. ‘In other cases we don’t allow judgement at all. OSHA inspectors ask, “Does this conform to the objective rule,” rather than “Is this, IMO, safe?”‘
    Judgement or objective rule aside, it matters not, it will be the personal opinion of at least five Supreme Court Deciders that OSHA is dead administrative meat.

  87. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-rhode-island-state-senate-candidate-assault-democratic-challenger-abortion-rights-rally
    Is it the personal opinion or an objective truth among Libertarians and Conservatives that the Democratic candidate who was physically and violently assaulted would have been within his constitutional self-regulatory rights to shoot, by drawing and firing his concealed weapon, the assailant … the Republican candidate … goddamned dead in self defense?
    Or would that assailant have to be black and climbing thru your bedroom window to heist your wallet?
    If the roles were reversed in the attack at the abortion rally, would FOX News and conservatives not so much mind, as a personal matter, if a Democratic attacker was shot dead in self-defense by a Republican who got his nose bloodied.
    These are important questions.
    Please maintain total and self evident God-like objectivity.

  88. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-rhode-island-state-senate-candidate-assault-democratic-challenger-abortion-rights-rally
    Is it the personal opinion or an objective truth among Libertarians and Conservatives that the Democratic candidate who was physically and violently assaulted would have been within his constitutional self-regulatory rights to shoot, by drawing and firing his concealed weapon, the assailant … the Republican candidate … goddamned dead in self defense?
    Or would that assailant have to be black and climbing thru your bedroom window to heist your wallet?
    If the roles were reversed in the attack at the abortion rally, would FOX News and conservatives not so much mind, as a personal matter, if a Democratic attacker was shot dead in self-defense by a Republican who got his nose bloodied.
    These are important questions.
    Please maintain total and self evident God-like objectivity.

  89. Not off topic really, but rather directly in the file of “Too Late, Alas”:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/us-economy-suffering-infrastructure-energy-housing/661389/
    Rather than ask Who or Whom did this, who prevented all progress, to us for the millionth time, let’s name the 80 million …. or at least the self-appointed members of the conservative vanguard … mofos who did this to us and hang it around their wrung necks.
    We know who they are.
    I’d add a Moe-slap for the spineless, Manchin-cowed Democrats as well.

  90. Not off topic really, but rather directly in the file of “Too Late, Alas”:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/us-economy-suffering-infrastructure-energy-housing/661389/
    Rather than ask Who or Whom did this, who prevented all progress, to us for the millionth time, let’s name the 80 million …. or at least the self-appointed members of the conservative vanguard … mofos who did this to us and hang it around their wrung necks.
    We know who they are.
    I’d add a Moe-slap for the spineless, Manchin-cowed Democrats as well.

  91. FWIW, it makes complete sense to me that the decision of whether someone should be able to carry a firearm would depend on who was asking for the license.
    Criticisms of gun license laws like New York’s were that, all too often, the officials’ judgments of a person’s need for a license were based not on the validity of the need but what kind of tan they had. Or some other characteristic irreverent to the need to carry a weapon.

  92. FWIW, it makes complete sense to me that the decision of whether someone should be able to carry a firearm would depend on who was asking for the license.
    Criticisms of gun license laws like New York’s were that, all too often, the officials’ judgments of a person’s need for a license were based not on the validity of the need but what kind of tan they had. Or some other characteristic irreverent to the need to carry a weapon.

  95. Does it say in the Constitution that officials must not exercise judgement? Does that apply to policemen?
    For an authoritarian, having anyone exercise judgement is anathema. All rules should be laid out in minute detail. And followed to the letter — without any consideration of circumstances, mitigating factors, etc.
    And, let’s face it, these guys are authoritarian to their bones. So long as they get to be the authorities.

  96. Does it say in the Constitution that officials must not exercise judgement? Does that apply to policemen?
    For an authoritarian, having anyone exercise judgement is anathema. All rules should be laid out in minute detail. And followed to the letter — without any consideration of circumstances, mitigating factors, etc.
    And, let’s face it, these guys are authoritarian to their bones. So long as they get to be the authorities.

  97. I will say this regarding CCW permits – the issuing authority often rests with the county sheriff. I will say this as well – the county sheriff is one of those positions that seems to have fallen into the hands of rw authoritarian warrior cop types, and those CCW permits are a form of clientage. I watched that with my former martial arts instructor as a police chief in our training group told him how to fill out the paperwork to get through the process and wrote letters to the sheriff to let her know that our instructor was on the right side. They were all very aware that the application process was a catechism of sorts and that the right doctrinal responses would see them confirmed. Having seen that, I have no doubt that licenses were being denied to people on the basis of all sorts of prejudices.
    I also have no illusions that the SC decision was taken up and decided as a way to remedy that prejudice. The case was simply a means to an end. The end was to reinforce the ability of the right to exert political violence in defense of their own ideological preferences. The rest is all chaff.

  98. I will say this regarding CCW permits – the issuing authority often rests with the county sheriff. I will say this as well – the county sheriff is one of those positions that seems to have fallen into the hands of rw authoritarian warrior cop types, and those CCW permits are a form of clientage. I watched that with my former martial arts instructor as a police chief in our training group told him how to fill out the paperwork to get through the process and wrote letters to the sheriff to let her know that our instructor was on the right side. They were all very aware that the application process was a catechism of sorts and that the right doctrinal responses would see them confirmed. Having seen that, I have no doubt that licenses were being denied to people on the basis of all sorts of prejudices.
    I also have no illusions that the SC decision was taken up and decided as a way to remedy that prejudice. The case was simply a means to an end. The end was to reinforce the ability of the right to exert political violence in defense of their own ideological preferences. The rest is all chaff.

  99. I’d be utterly unsurprised to find that local law enforcement in some municipalities in NY were less likely to grant a concealed carry license to a black person than to a white one.
    I’m not seeing that ruling state level may-issue laws as unconstitutional as being a good remedy for that. I’ve offered my own thoughts about what appropriate responses to racist behavior are, but they aren’t very popular. This particular response is not going to do one damned thing about addressing racist attitudes and behaviors in law enforcement, or anywhere else.
    Gun violence is relatively uncommon in MA. There are no doubt a number of reasons for that. One of them is that concealed carry licenses are issued by local police, who can deny applications based on their determination that the applicant shouldn’t have that privilege.
    I like living in a place where gun violence is relatively uncommon. I’m not interested in having one of the reasons for that low level of gun violence taken away because some cops in NY are racists.
    I am, for a so-called liberal, highly supportive of local control of most policies, and also highly tolerant of gun ownership. What I’m not in favor of is violent knuckleheads carrying guns in public. This ruling will increase the number of violent knuckleheads carrying guns in public.
    If you think that is not so, you need to get out more.
    What this ruling is about is further cementing the doctrine that the 2nd A guarantees an individual right to own a firearm – any firearm – and carry it around any and every place you like. That doctrine is both absurd and pernicious. And it’s gonna get people killed

  100. I’d be utterly unsurprised to find that local law enforcement in some municipalities in NY were less likely to grant a concealed carry license to a black person than to a white one.
    I’m not seeing that ruling state level may-issue laws as unconstitutional as being a good remedy for that. I’ve offered my own thoughts about what appropriate responses to racist behavior are, but they aren’t very popular. This particular response is not going to do one damned thing about addressing racist attitudes and behaviors in law enforcement, or anywhere else.
    Gun violence is relatively uncommon in MA. There are no doubt a number of reasons for that. One of them is that concealed carry licenses are issued by local police, who can deny applications based on their determination that the applicant shouldn’t have that privilege.
    I like living in a place where gun violence is relatively uncommon. I’m not interested in having one of the reasons for that low level of gun violence taken away because some cops in NY are racists.
    I am, for a so-called liberal, highly supportive of local control of most policies, and also highly tolerant of gun ownership. What I’m not in favor of is violent knuckleheads carrying guns in public. This ruling will increase the number of violent knuckleheads carrying guns in public.
    If you think that is not so, you need to get out more.
    What this ruling is about is further cementing the doctrine that the 2nd A guarantees an individual right to own a firearm – any firearm – and carry it around any and every place you like. That doctrine is both absurd and pernicious. And it’s gonna get people killed

  101. I also have no illusions that the SC decision was taken up and decided as a way to remedy that prejudice.
    I note without comment (none being necessary) that the NY case was NOT brought by a black man, alleging prejudice in the denial of a permit. Gee, they couldn’t even find a strawman to being the case. Hmmm….

  102. I also have no illusions that the SC decision was taken up and decided as a way to remedy that prejudice.
    I note without comment (none being necessary) that the NY case was NOT brought by a black man, alleging prejudice in the denial of a permit. Gee, they couldn’t even find a strawman to being the case. Hmmm….

  103. So, prediction for this week.
    The opinion in West Virginia v. EPA will be written by the Chief Justice. It will be similar in philosophy to Casey. That is, Congress is not forbidden from delegating rule-making authority, but is restricted. In particular, climate change is Congress’s problem, not the EPA’s, and not the states’, unless Congress delegates in excruciating detail. Which they have not done. Given the current make-up of Congress, and the make-up most people seem to expect after November, the US will take no meaningful action on climate change. Gorsuch will write a concurrence much like Thomas’s on abortion: there are a whole lot of other places where agency rule-writing needs to be reined in, and existing rules tossed.

  104. So, prediction for this week.
    The opinion in West Virginia v. EPA will be written by the Chief Justice. It will be similar in philosophy to Casey. That is, Congress is not forbidden from delegating rule-making authority, but is restricted. In particular, climate change is Congress’s problem, not the EPA’s, and not the states’, unless Congress delegates in excruciating detail. Which they have not done. Given the current make-up of Congress, and the make-up most people seem to expect after November, the US will take no meaningful action on climate change. Gorsuch will write a concurrence much like Thomas’s on abortion: there are a whole lot of other places where agency rule-writing needs to be reined in, and existing rules tossed.

  111. Quantian
    @quantian1
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    18h
    J.D. Vance’s wife is an attorney
    Ted Cruz’s wife works for Goldman Sachs
    Clarence Thomas’ wife is an attorney
    Ron DeSantis’ wife is a journalist
    Greg Abbot’s wife is a healthcare executive
    Do as I say, not as I do
    Quote Tweet
    J.D. Vance
    @JDVance1
    · 19h
    If your worldview tells you that it’s bad for women to become mothers but liberating for them to work 90 hours a week in a cubicle at the New York Times or Goldman Sachs, you’ve been had.

  112. Quantian
    @quantian1
    ·
    18h
    J.D. Vance’s wife is an attorney
    Ted Cruz’s wife works for Goldman Sachs
    Clarence Thomas’ wife is an attorney
    Ron DeSantis’ wife is a journalist
    Greg Abbot’s wife is a healthcare executive
    Do as I say, not as I do
    Quote Tweet
    J.D. Vance
    @JDVance1
    · 19h
    If your worldview tells you that it’s bad for women to become mothers but liberating for them to work 90 hours a week in a cubicle at the New York Times or Goldman Sachs, you’ve been had.

  113. JakeB, thank you for the kind thought. I vaguely knew about the phenomenon of rickrolling, but it mainly passed me by because the song had essentially passed me by. But anything which increases the amount of spirit-lightening in these times is OK with me, and I do agree that someone who can take a joke at their own expense is a good guy, or, in your excellent words, a surprisingly fine gentleman.

  114. JakeB, thank you for the kind thought. I vaguely knew about the phenomenon of rickrolling, but it mainly passed me by because the song had essentially passed me by. But anything which increases the amount of spirit-lightening in these times is OK with me, and I do agree that someone who can take a joke at their own expense is a good guy, or, in your excellent words, a surprisingly fine gentleman.

  121. Not enough guns yet in Texas
    Now you know that’s not true. It’s just that the guys who are running around with guns to demonstrate their manhood don’t have the manhood to use them when the other guy might shoot back. Which, of course, is why they needed to buy a gun in the first place — to try to keep people from noticing.

  122. Not enough guns yet in Texas
    Now you know that’s not true. It’s just that the guys who are running around with guns to demonstrate their manhood don’t have the manhood to use them when the other guy might shoot back. Which, of course, is why they needed to buy a gun in the first place — to try to keep people from noticing.

  125. Anyone want to guess what sort of newly discovered evidence prompted the select committee to schedule a surprise hearing tomorrow?

  126. Anyone want to guess what sort of newly discovered evidence prompted the select committee to schedule a surprise hearing tomorrow?

  127. Anyone want to guess what sort of newly discovered evidence prompted the select committee to schedule a surprise hearing tomorrow?
    Absolutely pure guess, Ginni Thomas’s lawyers called up and said, “You can have Ginni early this week, or in October. As soon as the Court is done, she and Clarence are taking off for vacation and won’t be back until the next term starts in October.

  128. Anyone want to guess what sort of newly discovered evidence prompted the select committee to schedule a surprise hearing tomorrow?
    Absolutely pure guess, Ginni Thomas’s lawyers called up and said, “You can have Ginni early this week, or in October. As soon as the Court is done, she and Clarence are taking off for vacation and won’t be back until the next term starts in October.

  129. As soon as the Court is done, she and Clarence are taking off for vacation and won’t be back until the next term starts in October.
    Resorts along the northern Caspian Sea are reputed to be lively this time of year. And you can vacation undisturbed by process servers with pesky Congressional subpoenas. .

  130. As soon as the Court is done, she and Clarence are taking off for vacation and won’t be back until the next term starts in October.
    Resorts along the northern Caspian Sea are reputed to be lively this time of year. And you can vacation undisturbed by process servers with pesky Congressional subpoenas. .

  131. And you can vacation undisturbed by process servers with pesky Congressional subpoenas.
    No problem with that. Ginni’s lawyers accept the subpoena and say she’ll be there in October. Congress goes to court asking for an emergency ruling. That bounces up the usual chain and then hits the Supremes. The justice that handles emergency requests for the District of Columbia is Chief Justice Roberts. He says October seems responsive enough and declines to pass it along to the full court.

  132. And you can vacation undisturbed by process servers with pesky Congressional subpoenas.
    No problem with that. Ginni’s lawyers accept the subpoena and say she’ll be there in October. Congress goes to court asking for an emergency ruling. That bounces up the usual chain and then hits the Supremes. The justice that handles emergency requests for the District of Columbia is Chief Justice Roberts. He says October seems responsive enough and declines to pass it along to the full court.

  135. Charles wrote:
    “To paint with one particular broad brush, conservatives are preoccupied with and want to enforce private morals. And liberals are preoccupied with and want to enforce public morals.”
    If Libertarian penises could shoot bullets too, liberals would be pre-occupied with and want to enforce BOTH public and private morals, and good for us …. but as it is, you’re off the hook.
    Is this private or public immorality?:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/03/this-american-life/
    You’d think gummint-skeptical libertarians might want to help liberals interdict this very public immorality.
    In the meantime, I think I’ve found a new hobby.

  136. Charles wrote:
    “To paint with one particular broad brush, conservatives are preoccupied with and want to enforce private morals. And liberals are preoccupied with and want to enforce public morals.”
    If Libertarian penises could shoot bullets too, liberals would be pre-occupied with and want to enforce BOTH public and private morals, and good for us …. but as it is, you’re off the hook.
    Is this private or public immorality?:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/03/this-american-life/
    You’d think gummint-skeptical libertarians might want to help liberals interdict this very public immorality.
    In the meantime, I think I’ve found a new hobby.

  137. I can do all the Google searches I want to investigate the purchase of military grade weaponry and ammo.
    But in vermin genocidal conservative America, THAT’s considered both private and now fully public moral behavior.
    But here we go:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-google-reverse-keyword-searches-rcna35749?utm_source=pocket-newtab
    How long does a person have to live in Texas before their Libertarian card automatically expires from lack of use?
    If the Virgin Mary had sought care for a rough pregnancy and ended up aborting/miscarrying the fetus to save her own life, how would conservative officialdom prove that she was pregnant in the first place, considering the lack of sexual evidence.
    Why wouldn’t that be an immaculate miscarriage.
    It’s also odd that Crucifixion (fiction?) turned out to be the most wonderful thing to happen in and to Christendom, from a public relations point of view, and I’m not talking about selling jelly beans.
    If it was so great then, why can’t we have more of it now.
    Actually, in a way, we do …..
    Jesus could have just refused to wear a mask during whatever fatal influenza epidemic cut human beings down like a scythe at the time and died and become a martyr THAT way, like so many, but not enough of our modern-day conservative suicides have done.
    I’ve no problem with Christianity.
    I have a problem with the grotesque, ghoulish, need I say it, Satanic, bullets-and-attorney’s-business-cards-in-the-collection-plate disgrace American Christianity has become.

  138. I can do all the Google searches I want to investigate the purchase of military grade weaponry and ammo.
    But in vermin genocidal conservative America, THAT’s considered both private and now fully public moral behavior.
    But here we go:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-google-reverse-keyword-searches-rcna35749?utm_source=pocket-newtab
    How long does a person have to live in Texas before their Libertarian card automatically expires from lack of use?
    If the Virgin Mary had sought care for a rough pregnancy and ended up aborting/miscarrying the fetus to save her own life, how would conservative officialdom prove that she was pregnant in the first place, considering the lack of sexual evidence.
    Why wouldn’t that be an immaculate miscarriage.
    It’s also odd that Crucifixion (fiction?) turned out to be the most wonderful thing to happen in and to Christendom, from a public relations point of view, and I’m not talking about selling jelly beans.
    If it was so great then, why can’t we have more of it now.
    Actually, in a way, we do …..
    Jesus could have just refused to wear a mask during whatever fatal influenza epidemic cut human beings down like a scythe at the time and died and become a martyr THAT way, like so many, but not enough of our modern-day conservative suicides have done.
    I’ve no problem with Christianity.
    I have a problem with the grotesque, ghoulish, need I say it, Satanic, bullets-and-attorney’s-business-cards-in-the-collection-plate disgrace American Christianity has become.

  139. According to traditional theology Mary was chosen because G*d KNEW in advance that she would not refuse.

  140. According to traditional theology Mary was chosen because G*d KNEW in advance that she would not refuse.

  145. Read this:
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/07/04/does-hungary-offer-a-glimpse-of-our-authoritarian-future
    Imagine attending a Nazi Conference in 1934 Germany, the sort of fascist genocidal soiree William Shirer reported about for years before World War II and the attendant murders and deaths of tens of millions of human beings, and putting names to the faces of the subhuman murderers who will butcher and slaughter all of us, and say so, and then walk away and allow them to continue on their EVIL way to horrific Destiny.
    Those brownshirts who marched in Boston will be back, with a bigger crowd of them next time and the time after that, just as in 1930s Germany.
    It will be normalized by sheer repetition, and ignored by our cowardly government until it too late.
    At the very least, Joe Biden could close down our embassy and consulate in Hungary and toss their fucking fascist influencers out of my country, and declare Orban a pariah, along with Putin, but just as in other times EVIL was ignored as mere clownishness, just so this time around.
    A total failure of imagination.
    You’ll see some of those Conservative movement brownshirts from the streets of Boston and many of the subhuman conservative personalities at the latest CPAC, including Republican officeholders, in a Nuremberg-style courtroom in shackles some years from now ….. but only after they murder millions of their enemies in America.
    It’s Too Late, Alas.
    I don’t think I’ll be alive to witness those trials.

  146. Read this:
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/07/04/does-hungary-offer-a-glimpse-of-our-authoritarian-future
    Imagine attending a Nazi Conference in 1934 Germany, the sort of fascist genocidal soiree William Shirer reported about for years before World War II and the attendant murders and deaths of tens of millions of human beings, and putting names to the faces of the subhuman murderers who will butcher and slaughter all of us, and say so, and then walk away and allow them to continue on their EVIL way to horrific Destiny.
    Those brownshirts who marched in Boston will be back, with a bigger crowd of them next time and the time after that, just as in 1930s Germany.
    It will be normalized by sheer repetition, and ignored by our cowardly government until it too late.
    At the very least, Joe Biden could close down our embassy and consulate in Hungary and toss their fucking fascist influencers out of my country, and declare Orban a pariah, along with Putin, but just as in other times EVIL was ignored as mere clownishness, just so this time around.
    A total failure of imagination.
    You’ll see some of those Conservative movement brownshirts from the streets of Boston and many of the subhuman conservative personalities at the latest CPAC, including Republican officeholders, in a Nuremberg-style courtroom in shackles some years from now ….. but only after they murder millions of their enemies in America.
    It’s Too Late, Alas.
    I don’t think I’ll be alive to witness those trials.

  147. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/2/2108113/-Abortion-For-Me-But-Not-For-Thee-The-Me-Exception
    This is not unlike Andrew Sullivan and Peter Thiel engaging in all of the verboten sexual acts, in the eyes of the usual murderous suspects, that constitute their private love lives, which their malignant conservative movement strives to once again make crimes, and then showing up at CPAC to demonize all whom those two demonize in our society, and to support platforms and candidates who wish to carry out their criminal wishes, as long as their taxes are eliminated.
    It’s not hypocrisy, by which I mean it is, of course, but throwing the hypocrite card misses the point.
    Rohm and Goering were gay men who murdered gays, along with everyone else they hated, like the good malignant lamestream conservatives they were.
    Rohm wasn’t executed for the crime of hypocrisy and Goehring wasn’t tried for the crime of hypocrisy and sentenced to hang, before offing himself with cyanide.
    Much bigger EVIL fish were being fried.
    By the way, if you read the New Yorker article cited above, and you should, unless you don’t have the stomachs to view the blueprints for imposing fascism in America, you will get a taste of what a conniving, clever sneak and liar the subhuman, fascist apologist and crypto-Christian Rod Dreher is.
    He mustn’t be permitted to re-enter my country. His wife can divorce his ass from a distance.

  148. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/2/2108113/-Abortion-For-Me-But-Not-For-Thee-The-Me-Exception
    This is not unlike Andrew Sullivan and Peter Thiel engaging in all of the verboten sexual acts, in the eyes of the usual murderous suspects, that constitute their private love lives, which their malignant conservative movement strives to once again make crimes, and then showing up at CPAC to demonize all whom those two demonize in our society, and to support platforms and candidates who wish to carry out their criminal wishes, as long as their taxes are eliminated.
    It’s not hypocrisy, by which I mean it is, of course, but throwing the hypocrite card misses the point.
    Rohm and Goering were gay men who murdered gays, along with everyone else they hated, like the good malignant lamestream conservatives they were.
    Rohm wasn’t executed for the crime of hypocrisy and Goehring wasn’t tried for the crime of hypocrisy and sentenced to hang, before offing himself with cyanide.
    Much bigger EVIL fish were being fried.
    By the way, if you read the New Yorker article cited above, and you should, unless you don’t have the stomachs to view the blueprints for imposing fascism in America, you will get a taste of what a conniving, clever sneak and liar the subhuman, fascist apologist and crypto-Christian Rod Dreher is.
    He mustn’t be permitted to re-enter my country. His wife can divorce his ass from a distance.

  157. Too Late, Alas:
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-southwest/the-water-wars-come-to-the-suburbs?utm_source=pocket-newtab
    Gee, I wonder who these idiots will vote for?
    I expect the very same fascist piss-in-a-bucket subhuman gun molls who have been preventing the world’s governments from even thinking about global climate change.
    Does trans culture cause water tables to drop?
    I’ll bet BLM is to blame.
    If pregnant witches seeking abortions hover your desert property, your sink faucets will dry hiss and your toilets tanks dry up.
    Better lock her up.

  158. Too Late, Alas:
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-southwest/the-water-wars-come-to-the-suburbs?utm_source=pocket-newtab
    Gee, I wonder who these idiots will vote for?
    I expect the very same fascist piss-in-a-bucket subhuman gun molls who have been preventing the world’s governments from even thinking about global climate change.
    Does trans culture cause water tables to drop?
    I’ll bet BLM is to blame.
    If pregnant witches seeking abortions hover your desert property, your sink faucets will dry hiss and your toilets tanks dry up.
    Better lock her up.

  171. He checked out a synagogue. Of course he did.
    The cops knew he was evil. Of course they did.
    The Conservative and Libertarian and White Christian Nationalist Movements, bloody sisters joined at the hip, sold him his weapons and ammo. Yeah, they did:
    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/a-legal-military-grade-semi-automatic-weapon-for-every-violent-teenager
    With pure intended subhuman synchronicity, vermin criminal Rick Scott, a fucking US Senator: “Just mount up and ride to the sounds of the guns, and they are all over this country”
    More, but I repeat myself:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/05/here-come-the-christian-nationalists/
    I’m just now getting a lousy soundtrack together to greet their coming genocide.
    They have a fucking military grade arsenal and their fake EVIL Christian God will be forced upon us as our unelected stolen Government.
    It’s gonna be a rough ride:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERffinhV0XY
    Listen to those tapes Kinzinger on the 1/6 Committee released of phone calls to his office and staff, including interns, from “the Public”,
    Same voices.

  172. He checked out a synagogue. Of course he did.
    The cops knew he was evil. Of course they did.
    The Conservative and Libertarian and White Christian Nationalist Movements, bloody sisters joined at the hip, sold him his weapons and ammo. Yeah, they did:
    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/a-legal-military-grade-semi-automatic-weapon-for-every-violent-teenager
    With pure intended subhuman synchronicity, vermin criminal Rick Scott, a fucking US Senator: “Just mount up and ride to the sounds of the guns, and they are all over this country”
    More, but I repeat myself:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/05/here-come-the-christian-nationalists/
    I’m just now getting a lousy soundtrack together to greet their coming genocide.
    They have a fucking military grade arsenal and their fake EVIL Christian God will be forced upon us as our unelected stolen Government.
    It’s gonna be a rough ride:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERffinhV0XY
    Listen to those tapes Kinzinger on the 1/6 Committee released of phone calls to his office and staff, including interns, from “the Public”,
    Same voices.

  175. I placed Marina Hyde’s column regarding the diabolical rum bloke, cited by GftNC in the above thread, in my favorites.
    Not in the the “Politics” category, nor the “International” category, nor in the “Amusements” category, nor in the “WTF” category, nor in the “Texas Did What Again?” category, but in the “Literature” category.

  176. I placed Marina Hyde’s column regarding the diabolical rum bloke, cited by GftNC in the above thread, in my favorites.
    Not in the the “Politics” category, nor the “International” category, nor in the “Amusements” category, nor in the “WTF” category, nor in the “Texas Did What Again?” category, but in the “Literature” category.

  177. In a few years, we’re all going to get our butts sued off:
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2022/07/06/the-supreme-courts-looming-threat-to-first-amendment-law/
    Of course, these laws will not be applied to right-wing media, FOX News, or Lindsay Graham running his racist vermin mouth, but rather to their benefit.
    Guns and libel.
    The one-way street polite society will be so sweetly cloying, as Libertarians, Christians, and Fascist Conservatives wish it to be.

  178. In a few years, we’re all going to get our butts sued off:
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2022/07/06/the-supreme-courts-looming-threat-to-first-amendment-law/
    Of course, these laws will not be applied to right-wing media, FOX News, or Lindsay Graham running his racist vermin mouth, but rather to their benefit.
    Guns and libel.
    The one-way street polite society will be so sweetly cloying, as Libertarians, Christians, and Fascist Conservatives wish it to be.

  179. From the mouths of Conservative Russian and American genocidal filth:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-lackey-dmitry-medvedev-says-punishing-russia-is-a-threat-to-all-because-of-major-nuclear-potential?via=newsletter&source=CSAMedition
    Peter the Great is Russian originalism.
    Intersected in the corrupt viscera of Hungary’s white nationalist Christian fascist Orban, enabled by American subhuman Schmitteans Dreher, Bannon, Deneen, Buchanan, and company.
    Trump’s and the conservative movment’s role models in wielding power are fascist entertainers Putin, Chavez, Erdogan, Amin, Mussolini, the Saudi Princes, any number of killers.
    Orban is a clever one in a suit, but dressed to kill nevertheless.
    Trump and Bojo are incompetent Burger King’s* with a fetching rap, mere introductory clowns luring us into the death cult arcade for jagoffs by comparison, but the conservative bench is stocked with much more competent bonus baby monsters and killers, who will come to the fore and kill us.
    We must destroy the worldwide conservative movement, because it is bent on killing all of us.
    *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AjRR6c–Ak
    We’re all on that bus now. I’m gonna be me:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2un1aU7mT0

  180. From the mouths of Conservative Russian and American genocidal filth:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-lackey-dmitry-medvedev-says-punishing-russia-is-a-threat-to-all-because-of-major-nuclear-potential?via=newsletter&source=CSAMedition
    Peter the Great is Russian originalism.
    Intersected in the corrupt viscera of Hungary’s white nationalist Christian fascist Orban, enabled by American subhuman Schmitteans Dreher, Bannon, Deneen, Buchanan, and company.
    Trump’s and the conservative movment’s role models in wielding power are fascist entertainers Putin, Chavez, Erdogan, Amin, Mussolini, the Saudi Princes, any number of killers.
    Orban is a clever one in a suit, but dressed to kill nevertheless.
    Trump and Bojo are incompetent Burger King’s* with a fetching rap, mere introductory clowns luring us into the death cult arcade for jagoffs by comparison, but the conservative bench is stocked with much more competent bonus baby monsters and killers, who will come to the fore and kill us.
    We must destroy the worldwide conservative movement, because it is bent on killing all of us.
    *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AjRR6c–Ak
    We’re all on that bus now. I’m gonna be me:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2un1aU7mT0

  181. Biden used the terms “senseless gun violence” the other day.
    It’s obvious from this latest round of horseshit, always lower, bigger, and shittier than the last round just weeks ago, from the violent fascist conservative Christian movement that they view all violence by gun as “sensible gun violence”.
    And so it is.
    But public school entryways and city rooftops and Texas university towers, and high rise Texas book depository windows, and driving while black, and dancing while gay, and governing while liberal and are considered the “senseless” details in these mass murders by the murderous subhuman insurrectionary gun-loving, God-loving conservative movement.

  182. Biden used the terms “senseless gun violence” the other day.
    It’s obvious from this latest round of horseshit, always lower, bigger, and shittier than the last round just weeks ago, from the violent fascist conservative Christian movement that they view all violence by gun as “sensible gun violence”.
    And so it is.
    But public school entryways and city rooftops and Texas university towers, and high rise Texas book depository windows, and driving while black, and dancing while gay, and governing while liberal and are considered the “senseless” details in these mass murders by the murderous subhuman insurrectionary gun-loving, God-loving conservative movement.

  183. They always look the part, but with the swastika armbands and tattoos covered in cheap gabardine to impress the rubes, a la Orban:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/diversity-discrimination/jarrin-jackson-i-largely-agree-anti-miscegenation-and-jews-taking-over
    Oklahoma, another state chock full of guns.
    And yet no bullet wounds in that guy, which proves once again, besides that guns are pointlessly owned, but also that pure demonic fascist EVIL is NOT what the American conservative movement plans to murder with their guns.
    Who do you spose they are saving their ammo for?
    Rabbit season?

  184. They always look the part, but with the swastika armbands and tattoos covered in cheap gabardine to impress the rubes, a la Orban:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/diversity-discrimination/jarrin-jackson-i-largely-agree-anti-miscegenation-and-jews-taking-over
    Oklahoma, another state chock full of guns.
    And yet no bullet wounds in that guy, which proves once again, besides that guns are pointlessly owned, but also that pure demonic fascist EVIL is NOT what the American conservative movement plans to murder with their guns.
    Who do you spose they are saving their ammo for?
    Rabbit season?

  185. Their bullets and prayers are with us:
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/roe-supreme-court-justices-1378046/
    The Constitution sez nothin.
    via Hullabaloo
    ‘At an evangelical victory party in front of the Supreme Court last to celebrate the downfall of Roe v. Wade last week, a prominent Capitol Hill religious leader was caught on a hot mic making a bombshell claim: that she prays with sitting justices inside the high court. “We’re the only people who do that,” Peggy Nienaber said.
    This disclosure was a serious matter on its own terms, but it also suggested a major conflict of interest. Nienaber’s ministry’s umbrella organization, Liberty Counsel, frequently brings lawsuits before the Supreme Court. In fact, the conservative majority in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, which ended nearly 50 years of federal abortion rights, cited an amicus brief authored by Liberty Counsel in its ruling.
    In other words: Sitting Supreme Court justices have prayed together with evangelical leaders whose bosses were bringing cases and arguments before the high court.
    Nienaber is Liberty Counsel’s executive director of DC Ministry, as well as the vice president of Faith & Liberty, whose ministry offices sit directly behind the Supreme Court. She spoke to a livestreamer who goes by Connie IRL, seemingly unaware she was being recorded. “You actually pray with the Supreme Court justices?” the livestreamer asked. “I do,” Nienaber said. “They will pray with us, those that like us to pray with them.” She did not specify which justices prayed with her, but added with a chortle, “Some of them don’t!” The livestreamer then asked if Nienaber ministered to the justices in their homes or at her office. Neither, she said. “We actually go in there.”
    Nienaber intended her comments, broadcast on YouTube, to be “totally off the record,” she says in the clip. That’s likely because such an arrangement presents a problem for the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, which not only weighed in on the Dobbs case as a friend of the court, but also litigated and won a 9-0 Supreme Court victory this May in a case centered on the public display of a religious flag.
    The Supreme Court did not respond to a request for comment. Liberty Counsel’s founder, Mat Staver, strenuously denied that the in-person ministering to justices that Nienaber bragged about exists. “It’s entirely untrue,” Staver tells Rolling Stone. “There is just no way that has happened.” He adds: “She has prayer meetings for them, not with them.” Asked if he had an explanation for Nienaber’s direct comments to the contrary, Staver says, “I don’t.”
    But the founder of the ministry, who surrendered its operations to Liberty Counsel in 2018, tells Rolling Stone that he hosted prayer sessions with conservative justices in their chambers from the late-1990s through when he left the group in the mid-2010s. Rob Schenck, who launched the ministry under the name Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital, described how the organization forged ministry relationships with Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, and the late Antonin Scalia, saying he would pray with them inside the high court. Nienaber was Schenk’s close associate in that era, and continued with the ministry after it came under the umbrella of Liberty Counsel.
    Louis Virelli is a professor at Stetson University College of Law who wrote a book about Supreme Court recusals. He’s blunt in his assessment: “Praying with a group that filed an amicus brief with a court,” he says, “is a problem.”
    They clearly do not care in the least about conflicts of interest. We know that by the fact that the wife of one of them was involved with an attempted coup if nothing else. And the right would scream bloody murder at the idea that there’s anything wrong with personally praying with people who file cases before the court. Don’t even try to go there. As Lauren Boebert said the other day, they believe religion should direct government.
    Nonetheless, I think we have to grapple with the fact that a large conservative majority of Supreme Court Justices are all highly influenced by an extreme traditionalist theology. These are the kind of folks who think the Pope is a liberal shill. They aren’t mainstream Catholics.’
    Our three remaining moderate Supreme Court Judges should wheel in a pregnant woman hemmoraging and dying with her fetus because these murderous freaks won’t allow her to seek and obtain medical care, and pray for her without being harassed and stalked by Christian demons and harridan.
    Let her bleed out on the floor of the SC chambers as Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Roberts, Coney Barrett, and the stalking ghoulish murderous shade of Scalia daintily lift their robes to avoid the blood they have shed and walk around her writhing body to their seats on the Death Panel.

  186. Their bullets and prayers are with us:
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/roe-supreme-court-justices-1378046/
    The Constitution sez nothin.
    via Hullabaloo
    ‘At an evangelical victory party in front of the Supreme Court last to celebrate the downfall of Roe v. Wade last week, a prominent Capitol Hill religious leader was caught on a hot mic making a bombshell claim: that she prays with sitting justices inside the high court. “We’re the only people who do that,” Peggy Nienaber said.
    This disclosure was a serious matter on its own terms, but it also suggested a major conflict of interest. Nienaber’s ministry’s umbrella organization, Liberty Counsel, frequently brings lawsuits before the Supreme Court. In fact, the conservative majority in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, which ended nearly 50 years of federal abortion rights, cited an amicus brief authored by Liberty Counsel in its ruling.
    In other words: Sitting Supreme Court justices have prayed together with evangelical leaders whose bosses were bringing cases and arguments before the high court.
    Nienaber is Liberty Counsel’s executive director of DC Ministry, as well as the vice president of Faith & Liberty, whose ministry offices sit directly behind the Supreme Court. She spoke to a livestreamer who goes by Connie IRL, seemingly unaware she was being recorded. “You actually pray with the Supreme Court justices?” the livestreamer asked. “I do,” Nienaber said. “They will pray with us, those that like us to pray with them.” She did not specify which justices prayed with her, but added with a chortle, “Some of them don’t!” The livestreamer then asked if Nienaber ministered to the justices in their homes or at her office. Neither, she said. “We actually go in there.”
    Nienaber intended her comments, broadcast on YouTube, to be “totally off the record,” she says in the clip. That’s likely because such an arrangement presents a problem for the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, which not only weighed in on the Dobbs case as a friend of the court, but also litigated and won a 9-0 Supreme Court victory this May in a case centered on the public display of a religious flag.
    The Supreme Court did not respond to a request for comment. Liberty Counsel’s founder, Mat Staver, strenuously denied that the in-person ministering to justices that Nienaber bragged about exists. “It’s entirely untrue,” Staver tells Rolling Stone. “There is just no way that has happened.” He adds: “She has prayer meetings for them, not with them.” Asked if he had an explanation for Nienaber’s direct comments to the contrary, Staver says, “I don’t.”
    But the founder of the ministry, who surrendered its operations to Liberty Counsel in 2018, tells Rolling Stone that he hosted prayer sessions with conservative justices in their chambers from the late-1990s through when he left the group in the mid-2010s. Rob Schenck, who launched the ministry under the name Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital, described how the organization forged ministry relationships with Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, and the late Antonin Scalia, saying he would pray with them inside the high court. Nienaber was Schenk’s close associate in that era, and continued with the ministry after it came under the umbrella of Liberty Counsel.
    Louis Virelli is a professor at Stetson University College of Law who wrote a book about Supreme Court recusals. He’s blunt in his assessment: “Praying with a group that filed an amicus brief with a court,” he says, “is a problem.”
    They clearly do not care in the least about conflicts of interest. We know that by the fact that the wife of one of them was involved with an attempted coup if nothing else. And the right would scream bloody murder at the idea that there’s anything wrong with personally praying with people who file cases before the court. Don’t even try to go there. As Lauren Boebert said the other day, they believe religion should direct government.
    Nonetheless, I think we have to grapple with the fact that a large conservative majority of Supreme Court Justices are all highly influenced by an extreme traditionalist theology. These are the kind of folks who think the Pope is a liberal shill. They aren’t mainstream Catholics.’
    Our three remaining moderate Supreme Court Judges should wheel in a pregnant woman hemmoraging and dying with her fetus because these murderous freaks won’t allow her to seek and obtain medical care, and pray for her without being harassed and stalked by Christian demons and harridan.
    Let her bleed out on the floor of the SC chambers as Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Roberts, Coney Barrett, and the stalking ghoulish murderous shade of Scalia daintily lift their robes to avoid the blood they have shed and walk around her writhing body to their seats on the Death Panel.

  189. Free fire in a theater speech and unlimited military grade armaments and ammo on every street and in front of every Government Office (and inside some according to vermin conservatives; they walk right past the magnetometers in the Austin Texas State House, while the average cowpoke has to empty his pockets), public school, and church in America …..
    ….. except an elite outta touch few:
    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/special-snowflakes-demand-safe-spaces
    Are the Wall Street Journal editorial staff telling us they don’t carry wherever they fucking please in New York City, since last week?
    Well, lying is protected speech.
    Turn off the Mags, a fucking subhuman violent conservative movement President of the Unites States bellowed.
    Indeed. Turn all of them off.
    And then cut my taxes to zero, Republicans, or else.

  190. Free fire in a theater speech and unlimited military grade armaments and ammo on every street and in front of every Government Office (and inside some according to vermin conservatives; they walk right past the magnetometers in the Austin Texas State House, while the average cowpoke has to empty his pockets), public school, and church in America …..
    ….. except an elite outta touch few:
    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/special-snowflakes-demand-safe-spaces
    Are the Wall Street Journal editorial staff telling us they don’t carry wherever they fucking please in New York City, since last week?
    Well, lying is protected speech.
    Turn off the Mags, a fucking subhuman violent conservative movement President of the Unites States bellowed.
    Indeed. Turn all of them off.
    And then cut my taxes to zero, Republicans, or else.

  197. I understand they are coming out with a line of ice cream products as well while the market is hot.
    Chocolate Buckshot Chip
    Seeping Gut Wound Ripple
    Bullet-Riddled Hazelnut
    911 French Vanilla
    Barbecued Wetback Ice Cream Float
    Full Metal Jacket Sherbet
    The Suck On This, Biden Popsicle
    Three Texas-Sized Scoops of Too Soom To Talk About It Horse Puckey
    Triple Little Dead Kid Body Parts Cone
    Blood Transfusion Gelato in a Cup
    Large Caliber Flesh Wound Rocky Road
    The DOA Weekly Special
    County Coroner Banana Split with Pooled Blood Syrup
    The Libertarian Freedom-Lover’s Shot-off Concealed Carry Testicle Malt
    Driving While Black Low Fat Yoghurt
    And the Governor’s featured favorite, this week:
    Shot Dead Dumb Christian Meat on a Stick with a side of Nuts.

  198. I understand they are coming out with a line of ice cream products as well while the market is hot.
    Chocolate Buckshot Chip
    Seeping Gut Wound Ripple
    Bullet-Riddled Hazelnut
    911 French Vanilla
    Barbecued Wetback Ice Cream Float
    Full Metal Jacket Sherbet
    The Suck On This, Biden Popsicle
    Three Texas-Sized Scoops of Too Soom To Talk About It Horse Puckey
    Triple Little Dead Kid Body Parts Cone
    Blood Transfusion Gelato in a Cup
    Large Caliber Flesh Wound Rocky Road
    The DOA Weekly Special
    County Coroner Banana Split with Pooled Blood Syrup
    The Libertarian Freedom-Lover’s Shot-off Concealed Carry Testicle Malt
    Driving While Black Low Fat Yoghurt
    And the Governor’s featured favorite, this week:
    Shot Dead Dumb Christian Meat on a Stick with a side of Nuts.

  199. She pledges to murder her five grandchildren to enforce the Constitutional freedom to …. murder her grandchildren?
    https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1544781668766064640
    If she is patient and her grandchildren attend school anywhere in America, an armed conservative movement operative deliberately triggered by Republican officials will be along shortly to carry out the murders for her.
    As BoJo might wax Churchillian: “Them’s the breaks!”
    Evil Vermin.
    America requires an exorcism. You’ll wanna wear a mask:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHnDyOr0DfI

  200. She pledges to murder her five grandchildren to enforce the Constitutional freedom to …. murder her grandchildren?
    https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1544781668766064640
    If she is patient and her grandchildren attend school anywhere in America, an armed conservative movement operative deliberately triggered by Republican officials will be along shortly to carry out the murders for her.
    As BoJo might wax Churchillian: “Them’s the breaks!”
    Evil Vermin.
    America requires an exorcism. You’ll wanna wear a mask:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHnDyOr0DfI

  207. https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/gun-culture-gun-terror-gun-fantasies
    How low am I going to have to go?
    What’s cutting edge about the slime conservative life in Kentucky …. that libertarian killing ground….., is there are guns present for rape, both forced and voluntary abortion, and chasing pregnant women across state lines to bring them back for further Christian raping and arrests for the next abortion, all at gunpoint, in between beating gay men to death for their inability and disinterest in being pregnant.

  208. https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/gun-culture-gun-terror-gun-fantasies
    How low am I going to have to go?
    What’s cutting edge about the slime conservative life in Kentucky …. that libertarian killing ground….., is there are guns present for rape, both forced and voluntary abortion, and chasing pregnant women across state lines to bring them back for further Christian raping and arrests for the next abortion, all at gunpoint, in between beating gay men to death for their inability and disinterest in being pregnant.

  209. This is a series of bullseyes aimed directly at cold-blooded, blue-eyed killer Paul Ryan.
    https://balloon-juice.com/squishable-morning-thread-3/
    Everything conservatives touch is transformed into a deadly weapon to cause suffering, ruin, and death for millions and millions of Americans.
    Putin couldn’t do it better.
    When subhuman conservatives cry their crocodile tears, it ain’t for us or America.

  210. This is a series of bullseyes aimed directly at cold-blooded, blue-eyed killer Paul Ryan.
    https://balloon-juice.com/squishable-morning-thread-3/
    Everything conservatives touch is transformed into a deadly weapon to cause suffering, ruin, and death for millions and millions of Americans.
    Putin couldn’t do it better.
    When subhuman conservatives cry their crocodile tears, it ain’t for us or America.

  215. Putin:
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gas-prices-the-biggest-factor-is-vladimir-putin-says-analyst-154620663.html
    Putin’s fascist allies in the Conservative Soviet Republic of Texas, longing to be together again:
    https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/texas/ercot-asking-texas-residents-businesses-conserve-power-monday-extreme-heat/287-d5e30072-f35e-45d7-9355-2b9b5b4787c4
    Biden should do a Putin and order all natural gas supplies to Texas cut off. Refuse all electricity transfers to their dumb grid.
    Biden also must order that all registered Republicans and Libertarians in Texas and 20 or so other red states have all of their Social Security and Medicare payments halted permanently, while doubling their social security taxes and Medicare premiums.
    Also interdict all weapons shipments from gun manufacturers around the country before they reach the Texas border.
    If the gun runners resist, execute them.
    Declare goddamned war.

  216. Putin:
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gas-prices-the-biggest-factor-is-vladimir-putin-says-analyst-154620663.html
    Putin’s fascist allies in the Conservative Soviet Republic of Texas, longing to be together again:
    https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/texas/ercot-asking-texas-residents-businesses-conserve-power-monday-extreme-heat/287-d5e30072-f35e-45d7-9355-2b9b5b4787c4
    Biden should do a Putin and order all natural gas supplies to Texas cut off. Refuse all electricity transfers to their dumb grid.
    Biden also must order that all registered Republicans and Libertarians in Texas and 20 or so other red states have all of their Social Security and Medicare payments halted permanently, while doubling their social security taxes and Medicare premiums.
    Also interdict all weapons shipments from gun manufacturers around the country before they reach the Texas border.
    If the gun runners resist, execute them.
    Declare goddamned war.

  217. Removal from office?
    Bullshit.
    Nuke them.
    Allow me to commend to your attention this book.
    A Savage Order: How the World’s Deadliest Countries Can Forge a Path to Security by Rachel Kleinfeld. She has also written and spoken about how democracies fail.
    The lady’s basic point is that the road to general political violence, and then to the collapse of democracy, involves normalizing violence. Which is what your constant calls for violence contribute to. If you care about this country, you will rein it in.

  218. Removal from office?
    Bullshit.
    Nuke them.
    Allow me to commend to your attention this book.
    A Savage Order: How the World’s Deadliest Countries Can Forge a Path to Security by Rachel Kleinfeld. She has also written and spoken about how democracies fail.
    The lady’s basic point is that the road to general political violence, and then to the collapse of democracy, involves normalizing violence. Which is what your constant calls for violence contribute to. If you care about this country, you will rein it in.

  219. Calls from violence from me are made in pure self-defense, as any conservative would countenance.
    They are arming the country for war. I didn’t give them permission to do that. I did not give them permission to constantly threaten to water the tree of liberty, which is merely a shop worn, fakely-elegant metaphor for fucking murder.
    What the conservative movement is doing amounts to a national car-jacking and/or home invasion, except that it is much worse.
    When they rein it in, I will rein in my descriptions of what self-defense of my country, my government, BY my country and BY my government … and I give it permission to do whatever it takes to accomplish the defeat of the enemies of America under the rule of law, which hangs by a slender thread, after 40 years of conservative effort to sunder those last fragile threads.
    But I understand your point. Violence is not normal under any circumstances, though conservatives are always explaining to us what those circumstances are.
    I’m merely following their lead.
    They are armed and threaten violence … daily. They threaten it against their co-workers on Capitol Hill in their workplace. I sense no reluctance on their part to carry through with their threats and/or wreck the joint of they don’t get what they want.
    THEY have already normalized the threat of violence in our daily discourse.
    I’m merely recognizing that fact.
    I’m not armed and I reluctantly warn of violent self-defense in response.
    I’ll read the book. By the time I get done reading all of the books warning of what is happening right now, all of us frogs will be par-boiled to perfection for the consuming.
    I could shut up too, but then I’ll be out walking the streets without your good influence, which I appreciate.

  220. Calls from violence from me are made in pure self-defense, as any conservative would countenance.
    They are arming the country for war. I didn’t give them permission to do that. I did not give them permission to constantly threaten to water the tree of liberty, which is merely a shop worn, fakely-elegant metaphor for fucking murder.
    What the conservative movement is doing amounts to a national car-jacking and/or home invasion, except that it is much worse.
    When they rein it in, I will rein in my descriptions of what self-defense of my country, my government, BY my country and BY my government … and I give it permission to do whatever it takes to accomplish the defeat of the enemies of America under the rule of law, which hangs by a slender thread, after 40 years of conservative effort to sunder those last fragile threads.
    But I understand your point. Violence is not normal under any circumstances, though conservatives are always explaining to us what those circumstances are.
    I’m merely following their lead.
    They are armed and threaten violence … daily. They threaten it against their co-workers on Capitol Hill in their workplace. I sense no reluctance on their part to carry through with their threats and/or wreck the joint of they don’t get what they want.
    THEY have already normalized the threat of violence in our daily discourse.
    I’m merely recognizing that fact.
    I’m not armed and I reluctantly warn of violent self-defense in response.
    I’ll read the book. By the time I get done reading all of the books warning of what is happening right now, all of us frogs will be par-boiled to perfection for the consuming.
    I could shut up too, but then I’ll be out walking the streets without your good influence, which I appreciate.

  221. I owe you a book recommendation:
    The Revenge of Power by Moises Naim.
    It outlines how very far along the conservative fascism (it’s all one thing with many gorgon heads) in a suit trend is on worldwide basis.
    Nearly all resistance has been anesthetized, neutered, disappeared, and bought off.
    The frogs are numbing fast.

  222. I owe you a book recommendation:
    The Revenge of Power by Moises Naim.
    It outlines how very far along the conservative fascism (it’s all one thing with many gorgon heads) in a suit trend is on worldwide basis.
    Nearly all resistance has been anesthetized, neutered, disappeared, and bought off.
    The frogs are numbing fast.

  223. nooneithinkisinmytree — Your 1:52 is, like your comments and actions every time someone asks you to tone it down, the self-serving, self-exonerating bullshit of a gaslighting abuser.
    You are not doing anyone any good, including yourself, you are just wallowing in a fruitless, despairing addiction to filth, and showering us with it because apparently that lets you tell yourself, and us, that you’re “helping” somehow.
    Get over yourself.

  224. nooneithinkisinmytree — Your 1:52 is, like your comments and actions every time someone asks you to tone it down, the self-serving, self-exonerating bullshit of a gaslighting abuser.
    You are not doing anyone any good, including yourself, you are just wallowing in a fruitless, despairing addiction to filth, and showering us with it because apparently that lets you tell yourself, and us, that you’re “helping” somehow.
    Get over yourself.

  225. [Thwack]
    [Thwack]
    [Thwack]
    (Stop hitting me. It hurts.)
    [Thwack] – I’m not hitting you.
    …
    And anyhow, it doesn’t hurt.
    [Thwack]
    …
    What’s more, it’s for your own good.
    [Thwack]
    …
    You’ll be ready for the bigger bully when *he* comes along.
    …
    So actually, I’m peforming a public service!
    [Thwack]

  226. [Thwack]
    [Thwack]
    [Thwack]
    (Stop hitting me. It hurts.)
    [Thwack] – I’m not hitting you.
    …
    And anyhow, it doesn’t hurt.
    [Thwack]
    …
    What’s more, it’s for your own good.
    [Thwack]
    …
    You’ll be ready for the bigger bully when *he* comes along.
    …
    So actually, I’m peforming a public service!
    [Thwack]

  227. I’m merely following their lead.
    First, I believe you have agency. That is, you are a free agent who doesn’t have to do things merely as a necessary response to what someone else has done.
    Second, two wrongs don’t make a right. (Something my parents impressed on me early on.)
    Third, anything which contributes to the normalization of violence will increases the probability of violence. Which, I submit, is in nobody’s interest.

  228. I’m merely following their lead.
    First, I believe you have agency. That is, you are a free agent who doesn’t have to do things merely as a necessary response to what someone else has done.
    Second, two wrongs don’t make a right. (Something my parents impressed on me early on.)
    Third, anything which contributes to the normalization of violence will increases the probability of violence. Which, I submit, is in nobody’s interest.

  229. Fruitless, yes.
    Despairing, pretty close.
    Janie, I have no issue with you. I’ve adhered to your druthers that I stay away from your threads, with an inadvertent exception or two.
    But your 2:51 is mindreading. You know nothing about me. If I’ve revealed anything, it’s maybe one percent of me.
    It does not insult me, nor make me think any less of you.
    I say what’s on my mind, as you do.
    I’m fully aware I push it too far.
    We share contempt for the same trends and conservative personalities, and yours is no less dripping.
    wj, I agree with everything you wrote at 3:03.
    I’ll back off and give it a rest.

  230. Fruitless, yes.
    Despairing, pretty close.
    Janie, I have no issue with you. I’ve adhered to your druthers that I stay away from your threads, with an inadvertent exception or two.
    But your 2:51 is mindreading. You know nothing about me. If I’ve revealed anything, it’s maybe one percent of me.
    It does not insult me, nor make me think any less of you.
    I say what’s on my mind, as you do.
    I’m fully aware I push it too far.
    We share contempt for the same trends and conservative personalities, and yours is no less dripping.
    wj, I agree with everything you wrote at 3:03.
    I’ll back off and give it a rest.

  233. But your 2:51 is mindreading.
    The first paragraph of my 2:51 is a direct reading of your overt and incessantly repeated words and sneering attitudes on this blog, every time someone asks you to tone it down.
    The first time I asked you not to use words like “vermin” to apply to other human beings, you responded by wallowing in the word “vermin,” apparently just to shove it in my face that nyah nyah, you can do what you damned well please no matter what anyone else wants around here.
    That pattern has been repeated over and over. Your replies to everyone who asks you to tone it down are condescending (to put it politely), as if we’re all too stupid to know what’s good for us, and you’re the only one who does, followed by a phase of playing on the words of whoever addressed you, again, as with “vermin,” as if to show us that you can and will turn our own words into fodder for your purposes.
    You’re correct that I don’t know everything about you. I only know what you show me. I stand by my assessment of your persona here, which is based on your overt and very visible, insistently repeated actions and attitudes. If you keep whacking away, and not only won’t stop when you’re asked to, but are at pains to justify yourself and then make mock anyone who objects, I don’t need or want to know the rest.

  234. But your 2:51 is mindreading.
    The first paragraph of my 2:51 is a direct reading of your overt and incessantly repeated words and sneering attitudes on this blog, every time someone asks you to tone it down.
    The first time I asked you not to use words like “vermin” to apply to other human beings, you responded by wallowing in the word “vermin,” apparently just to shove it in my face that nyah nyah, you can do what you damned well please no matter what anyone else wants around here.
    That pattern has been repeated over and over. Your replies to everyone who asks you to tone it down are condescending (to put it politely), as if we’re all too stupid to know what’s good for us, and you’re the only one who does, followed by a phase of playing on the words of whoever addressed you, again, as with “vermin,” as if to show us that you can and will turn our own words into fodder for your purposes.
    You’re correct that I don’t know everything about you. I only know what you show me. I stand by my assessment of your persona here, which is based on your overt and very visible, insistently repeated actions and attitudes. If you keep whacking away, and not only won’t stop when you’re asked to, but are at pains to justify yourself and then make mock anyone who objects, I don’t need or want to know the rest.

  235. And that’s to say nothing of your overt calls for killing people, or worse, for us to train our children to kill.
    I don’t want that in an environment where I hang out, and I don’t know if or why anyone else here does either.

  236. And that’s to say nothing of your overt calls for killing people, or worse, for us to train our children to kill.
    I don’t want that in an environment where I hang out, and I don’t know if or why anyone else here does either.

  237. Some Antifa activists have adopted violence. Has it helped their cause, and ours?
    I say no.
    I say it’s complicated, and it depends on which cause it is that is under consideration.
    It has scared the straights, and RW media has made much of that fear. But the RW media has also lied about and misrepresented Antifa using the same tactics that it has used to demonize CRT and to weaponize trans-people as a wedge issue. I think the results of the RW disinformation campaign about Antifa would play out with little difference even if Antifa were committed to non-violence.
    On the other side, I know that the RW militia types engage in power fantasies where political violence is concerned. I read it all the time and hear it from 3%er types. It is very much coming from the same psychological place as violent rape fantasies. It’s about power and agency. And Antifa opposition to alt-right militants disrupts that power fantasy. That is a necessary step for interrupting the otherwise constant escalation and rehearsal of the violence fantasies.
    It’s a very narrow tightrope we walk right now. We cannot allow the RW to go unanswered and unopposed, but we need to guard ourselves against falling into the same violent fantasies and from dehumanizing those who are trying their best to destroy us. And it is a tightrope we have to continue to walk until that narrow path is taken away from us.

  238. Some Antifa activists have adopted violence. Has it helped their cause, and ours?
    I say no.
    I say it’s complicated, and it depends on which cause it is that is under consideration.
    It has scared the straights, and RW media has made much of that fear. But the RW media has also lied about and misrepresented Antifa using the same tactics that it has used to demonize CRT and to weaponize trans-people as a wedge issue. I think the results of the RW disinformation campaign about Antifa would play out with little difference even if Antifa were committed to non-violence.
    On the other side, I know that the RW militia types engage in power fantasies where political violence is concerned. I read it all the time and hear it from 3%er types. It is very much coming from the same psychological place as violent rape fantasies. It’s about power and agency. And Antifa opposition to alt-right militants disrupts that power fantasy. That is a necessary step for interrupting the otherwise constant escalation and rehearsal of the violence fantasies.
    It’s a very narrow tightrope we walk right now. We cannot allow the RW to go unanswered and unopposed, but we need to guard ourselves against falling into the same violent fantasies and from dehumanizing those who are trying their best to destroy us. And it is a tightrope we have to continue to walk until that narrow path is taken away from us.

  241. If I’ve revealed anything, it’s maybe one percent of me.
    I’m probably talking out of school here, but better judgment has never been one of my hallmarks. I appreciate the despondency rage because you wrote it so I don’t have to. And more bitingly & incisively & cleverly than I could. Your turn of phrase has cost me a few coffees & keyboards.
    My sense of it, for esoteric values of “sense”, is it’s a quantity thing, not a quality thing.
    2 Minutes of Hate is already a 24/7 channel. We all need cathartic release, but returns diminish quickly.
    So, as a Bernie Sanders guy, which is another reason I come here rather than Balloon Juice, I don’t care about the 1%. I wanna hear more from the 99. I look forward to it.

  242. If I’ve revealed anything, it’s maybe one percent of me.
    I’m probably talking out of school here, but better judgment has never been one of my hallmarks. I appreciate the despondency rage because you wrote it so I don’t have to. And more bitingly & incisively & cleverly than I could. Your turn of phrase has cost me a few coffees & keyboards.
    My sense of it, for esoteric values of “sense”, is it’s a quantity thing, not a quality thing.
    2 Minutes of Hate is already a 24/7 channel. We all need cathartic release, but returns diminish quickly.
    So, as a Bernie Sanders guy, which is another reason I come here rather than Balloon Juice, I don’t care about the 1%. I wanna hear more from the 99. I look forward to it.

  243. I agree with nous’s two last paragraphs at 04.06 completely, and regard the penultimate one expecially as a perfect psychological analysis.
    (It’s also more than likely that some Antifa participants are in it for impure reasons, and not just to disrupt and oppose the power fantasy of RW militias, but this does not take anything away from nous’s analysis.)
    We need to walk that tightrope, and continue to keep walking it, and quasi-masturbatory fantasies of slaughter of subhumans do not help us, let alone anybody who indulges in them. And, I would maintain, seeing any of our fellow humans as subhuman, no matter how abhorrent their views or actions, is to go some distance down the slippery slope, having long fallen off the tightrope.

  244. I agree with nous’s two last paragraphs at 04.06 completely, and regard the penultimate one expecially as a perfect psychological analysis.
    (It’s also more than likely that some Antifa participants are in it for impure reasons, and not just to disrupt and oppose the power fantasy of RW militias, but this does not take anything away from nous’s analysis.)
    We need to walk that tightrope, and continue to keep walking it, and quasi-masturbatory fantasies of slaughter of subhumans do not help us, let alone anybody who indulges in them. And, I would maintain, seeing any of our fellow humans as subhuman, no matter how abhorrent their views or actions, is to go some distance down the slippery slope, having long fallen off the tightrope.

  247. (It’s also more than likely that some Antifa participants are in it for impure reasons, and not just to disrupt and oppose the power fantasy of RW militias…)
    Agreed. The Black Brigade types love to stir shit, and there are contingents of thrill seekers and hooligans. I’ve known a few over the years. But few of them are ever in any positions of authority on the left. They really don’t like to do any of the boring organizing or maintenance work. They are kept peripheral to any organized gathering and are generally chased clear of planned actions, but tolerated at the edges because they draw the violent RW thugs off of the vulnerable communities.
    But you aren’t going to find them hired as security for any progressive events or anything like what we see from Oath Keepers or Proud Boys or their fascist brethren.
    You can’t stop the Black Brigade types, so your best bet is to try to leave them a space where they do less harm (and maybe a bit of good when you are lucky).

  248. (It’s also more than likely that some Antifa participants are in it for impure reasons, and not just to disrupt and oppose the power fantasy of RW militias…)
    Agreed. The Black Brigade types love to stir shit, and there are contingents of thrill seekers and hooligans. I’ve known a few over the years. But few of them are ever in any positions of authority on the left. They really don’t like to do any of the boring organizing or maintenance work. They are kept peripheral to any organized gathering and are generally chased clear of planned actions, but tolerated at the edges because they draw the violent RW thugs off of the vulnerable communities.
    But you aren’t going to find them hired as security for any progressive events or anything like what we see from Oath Keepers or Proud Boys or their fascist brethren.
    You can’t stop the Black Brigade types, so your best bet is to try to leave them a space where they do less harm (and maybe a bit of good when you are lucky).

  249. This, in today’s Guardian by Zayd Ayers Dohrn about his childhood, and his conversations with various militant leftists, seems relevant to our discussion:
    Most of the people I spoke to – be they members of the Weather Underground or the Black Liberation Army – were first radicalised by the killing of Black people by police: specifically the murder of Fred Hampton in 1969 and Clifford Glover – a 10-year-old boy shot by an undercover cop in Queens in 1973. These killings enraged an entire generation of young activists, setting them on a path to violent revolution.
    The more research I did for the podcast, the more I realised that there are crucial differences between leftwing revolutionaries and the rightwing fascist movement of today. The radical undergrounds of the 1970s were fighting state violence and racism; the insurrectionists at the Capitol acted on the orders of a sitting authoritarian president, while literally waving the flag of white nationalism. One side attempted to resist state power and real systems of oppression; the other is fighting for state power and injustice, often based on lies.
    None of this means the ends justify the means, or that leftwing radicals should be let off the hook for their mistakes. During our many conversations, I pressed my parents and their friends about the morality of violence, and about what they might regret today. Even though Weather Underground bombings never killed anyone, three of their own members – including my dad’s girlfriend at the time, Diana Oughton – died in 1970, building explosives in New York’s Greenwich village. And most former revolutionaries now regret that turn towards a military strategy and disavow actions in which innocent people might be hurt or killed.
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/jul/12/bombs-blackmail-and-wire-taps-how-i-spent-my-childhood-on-the-run-from-the-fbi

  250. This, in today’s Guardian by Zayd Ayers Dohrn about his childhood, and his conversations with various militant leftists, seems relevant to our discussion:
    Most of the people I spoke to – be they members of the Weather Underground or the Black Liberation Army – were first radicalised by the killing of Black people by police: specifically the murder of Fred Hampton in 1969 and Clifford Glover – a 10-year-old boy shot by an undercover cop in Queens in 1973. These killings enraged an entire generation of young activists, setting them on a path to violent revolution.
    The more research I did for the podcast, the more I realised that there are crucial differences between leftwing revolutionaries and the rightwing fascist movement of today. The radical undergrounds of the 1970s were fighting state violence and racism; the insurrectionists at the Capitol acted on the orders of a sitting authoritarian president, while literally waving the flag of white nationalism. One side attempted to resist state power and real systems of oppression; the other is fighting for state power and injustice, often based on lies.
    None of this means the ends justify the means, or that leftwing radicals should be let off the hook for their mistakes. During our many conversations, I pressed my parents and their friends about the morality of violence, and about what they might regret today. Even though Weather Underground bombings never killed anyone, three of their own members – including my dad’s girlfriend at the time, Diana Oughton – died in 1970, building explosives in New York’s Greenwich village. And most former revolutionaries now regret that turn towards a military strategy and disavow actions in which innocent people might be hurt or killed.
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/jul/12/bombs-blackmail-and-wire-taps-how-i-spent-my-childhood-on-the-run-from-the-fbi

  251. most former revolutionaries now regret that turn towards a military strategy and disavow actions in which innocent people might be hurt or killed.
    It may be interesting, a couple decades down the road, to see how many right wing militia members have followed the same path. (I wonder how much data there is on recovery times for cult members, once their guru is gone. I’m guessing that is a usual prerequisite.)

  252. most former revolutionaries now regret that turn towards a military strategy and disavow actions in which innocent people might be hurt or killed.
    It may be interesting, a couple decades down the road, to see how many right wing militia members have followed the same path. (I wonder how much data there is on recovery times for cult members, once their guru is gone. I’m guessing that is a usual prerequisite.)

  253. I’m merely following their lead.
    why imitate violent nutjobs?
    also:
    “antifa” has become a catch-all term for a variety of things.
    there are anarchists who don’t identify with a capitalist economy and who may destroy property as a political statement.
    there are people who feel obliged to meet public demonstrations of fascism with all of its implied threat of violence with a response in kind.
    and there are people who are more or less not plugged in to society in general, who aren’t really part of any organized anything, and who basically just show up at the kinds of events where you are likely to see either of the above kinds of folks.
    antifa per se are basically the second of these groups. they probably don’t “help the cause” in the sense of inspiring popular opinion against fascist creeps like the Proud Boys or the 3 Percenter types, because most people are nice polite folks who find punch-ups distasteful.
    on the other hand, they have provided a buffer that has kept non-violent folks safe in some of the more spectacularly violent events of the last few years. They also do good work around more or less street-level medical assistance, i.e. if you get pepper sprayed or clubbed over the head by cops or whoever.
    I’ve been around antifa folks on a handful of occasions, and since I’m not a fascist or any other form of violent RW knucklehead, I’ve never felt anything but perfectly safe around them.
    A lot of the time they come off as some kind of kiddie guerrilla cosplay club, but there are also times when they help keep people safe.
    For me, personally, I find it pretty easy to distinguish between violent fascists, and people who want to punch violent fascists.
    It remains to be seen if a forceful response to folks like the Proud Boys, or Patriot Front, or Oathkeepers, or 3 Percenters, is foolish or prescient. For various reasons, I personally am committed to non-violence as a strategy, but I can not and will not say that there is never a time or place for a forceful response to threats of violence.

  254. I’m merely following their lead.
    why imitate violent nutjobs?
    also:
    “antifa” has become a catch-all term for a variety of things.
    there are anarchists who don’t identify with a capitalist economy and who may destroy property as a political statement.
    there are people who feel obliged to meet public demonstrations of fascism with all of its implied threat of violence with a response in kind.
    and there are people who are more or less not plugged in to society in general, who aren’t really part of any organized anything, and who basically just show up at the kinds of events where you are likely to see either of the above kinds of folks.
    antifa per se are basically the second of these groups. they probably don’t “help the cause” in the sense of inspiring popular opinion against fascist creeps like the Proud Boys or the 3 Percenter types, because most people are nice polite folks who find punch-ups distasteful.
    on the other hand, they have provided a buffer that has kept non-violent folks safe in some of the more spectacularly violent events of the last few years. They also do good work around more or less street-level medical assistance, i.e. if you get pepper sprayed or clubbed over the head by cops or whoever.
    I’ve been around antifa folks on a handful of occasions, and since I’m not a fascist or any other form of violent RW knucklehead, I’ve never felt anything but perfectly safe around them.
    A lot of the time they come off as some kind of kiddie guerrilla cosplay club, but there are also times when they help keep people safe.
    For me, personally, I find it pretty easy to distinguish between violent fascists, and people who want to punch violent fascists.
    It remains to be seen if a forceful response to folks like the Proud Boys, or Patriot Front, or Oathkeepers, or 3 Percenters, is foolish or prescient. For various reasons, I personally am committed to non-violence as a strategy, but I can not and will not say that there is never a time or place for a forceful response to threats of violence.

  255. For me, personally, I find it pretty easy to distinguish between violent fascists, and people who want to punch violent fascists.
    Priceless.
    And a useful condensation of clarity out of fog.

  256. For me, personally, I find it pretty easy to distinguish between violent fascists, and people who want to punch violent fascists.
    Priceless.
    And a useful condensation of clarity out of fog.

  257. …there are crucial differences between leftwing revolutionaries and the rightwing fascist movement of today. The radical undergrounds of the 1970s were fighting state violence and racism; the insurrectionists at the Capitol acted on the orders of a sitting authoritarian president…
    Yes, but.
    The insurrectionists at the Capitol believed they were fighting agaisnt some sort of deep state.
    Violence isn’t OK just because you believe you’re fighting for a just cause.
    Violence might be justified if there’s no peaceful alternative, for example if there were permanent minority rule with no peaceful way to overturn it.
    And yes, I know that’s what much of the Republican Party wants. With several on the Supreme Court behind them.

  258. …there are crucial differences between leftwing revolutionaries and the rightwing fascist movement of today. The radical undergrounds of the 1970s were fighting state violence and racism; the insurrectionists at the Capitol acted on the orders of a sitting authoritarian president…
    Yes, but.
    The insurrectionists at the Capitol believed they were fighting agaisnt some sort of deep state.
    Violence isn’t OK just because you believe you’re fighting for a just cause.
    Violence might be justified if there’s no peaceful alternative, for example if there were permanent minority rule with no peaceful way to overturn it.
    And yes, I know that’s what much of the Republican Party wants. With several on the Supreme Court behind them.

  259. I can not and will not say that there is never a time or place for a forceful response to threats of violence.
    I agree with this.
    Violence isn’t OK just because you believe you’re fighting for a just cause.
    If your just cause is to oppose violent thugs who are being given an easy pass by e.g. sympathetic police, then I think it is.
    The insurrectionists at the Capitol might have believed they were fighting against the deep state, but they were bringing violence where there was no violence. In the case of leftwing revolutionaries fighting state violence and racism, they were bringing (very limited) violence to fight pervasive institutional violence.

  260. I can not and will not say that there is never a time or place for a forceful response to threats of violence.
    I agree with this.
    Violence isn’t OK just because you believe you’re fighting for a just cause.
    If your just cause is to oppose violent thugs who are being given an easy pass by e.g. sympathetic police, then I think it is.
    The insurrectionists at the Capitol might have believed they were fighting against the deep state, but they were bringing violence where there was no violence. In the case of leftwing revolutionaries fighting state violence and racism, they were bringing (very limited) violence to fight pervasive institutional violence.

  261. In the case of leftwing revolutionaries fighting state violence and racism, they were bringing (very limited) violence to fight pervasive institutional violence.
    I can remember bombs going off on an almost daily bases during the ’60s-’70s.

  262. In the case of leftwing revolutionaries fighting state violence and racism, they were bringing (very limited) violence to fight pervasive institutional violence.
    I can remember bombs going off on an almost daily bases during the ’60s-’70s.

  263. If your just cause is to oppose violent thugs who are being given an easy pass by e.g. sympathetic police, then I think it is.
    I would add a caveat that you personally have observed said violence. Otherwise you enable those who have been fed propaganda about how violent the other people on the other side are being. See the RWNJs who are sure there is massive left wing violence occurring across the country.
    Believing the other guys are violent thugs is not enough. You need evidence from more than a “trusted source” — which may not, objectively, be trustworthy. C.f. Faux News (although they are far from alone. QAnon comes to mind, too.)

  264. If your just cause is to oppose violent thugs who are being given an easy pass by e.g. sympathetic police, then I think it is.
    I would add a caveat that you personally have observed said violence. Otherwise you enable those who have been fed propaganda about how violent the other people on the other side are being. See the RWNJs who are sure there is massive left wing violence occurring across the country.
    Believing the other guys are violent thugs is not enough. You need evidence from more than a “trusted source” — which may not, objectively, be trustworthy. C.f. Faux News (although they are far from alone. QAnon comes to mind, too.)

  265. The folks who rioted on Jan 6 because they believed they were fighting the “deep state” were wrong. Their reasons were lies.
    Folks who fight fascists because they believe fascists want to deprive other people of their rights as citizens are not wrong. Their reasons are not lies.
    We can discuss the effectiveness and/or the moral rightness of violence as a tactic if we like, but the motivations of the two sides here are not of equal merit.
    I hope we can all agree on that.

  266. The folks who rioted on Jan 6 because they believed they were fighting the “deep state” were wrong. Their reasons were lies.
    Folks who fight fascists because they believe fascists want to deprive other people of their rights as citizens are not wrong. Their reasons are not lies.
    We can discuss the effectiveness and/or the moral rightness of violence as a tactic if we like, but the motivations of the two sides here are not of equal merit.
    I hope we can all agree on that.

  267. I can remember bombs going off on an almost daily bases during the ’60s-’70s.
    15 years x 365 = 5475 days
    Let’s divide that by 3, perhaps not daily, but once every three days would be problematic
    5475/3= 1875 bombings
    https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html
    lists only 407 terrorist incidents (which includes shootings and vehicular attacks) from 1835 to the present. So I’m wondering what country you are thinking about

  268. I can remember bombs going off on an almost daily bases during the ’60s-’70s.
    15 years x 365 = 5475 days
    Let’s divide that by 3, perhaps not daily, but once every three days would be problematic
    5475/3= 1875 bombings
    https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html
    lists only 407 terrorist incidents (which includes shootings and vehicular attacks) from 1835 to the present. So I’m wondering what country you are thinking about

  269. Their reasons were lies…I hope we can all agree on that
    Yes of course. But there has to be a reason not to resort to violence other than being mistaken in one’s cause. No one thinks they’re wrong.

  270. Their reasons were lies…I hope we can all agree on that
    Yes of course. But there has to be a reason not to resort to violence other than being mistaken in one’s cause. No one thinks they’re wrong.

  271. So I’m wondering what country you are thinking about
    Apparently, most of the bombings weren’t counted as terrorist attacks.
    “Weather’s attacks began three months later, and by 1971 protest bombings had spread across the country. In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972, the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day. Because they were typically detonated late at night, few caused serious injury, leading to a kind of grudging public acceptance. The deadliest underground attack of the decade, in fact, killed all of four people, in the January 1975 bombing of a Wall Street restaurant. News accounts rarely carried any expression or indication of public outrage.
    …
    The epidemic of bombings eased as the decade wore on, though this wasn’t readily apparent in San Francisco, where explosions remained so prevalent that, after an especially nasty series of attacks in 1976, an FBI spokesman termed the city “the Belfast of North America.’” And the violence actually grew more deadly as the number of underground groups dwindled and grew more desperate; the deadliest year for underground violence was 1981 when eleven people were killed in bombings and bank robberies gone bad.”
    The Bombings of America That We Forgot: September 20, 2016

  272. So I’m wondering what country you are thinking about
    Apparently, most of the bombings weren’t counted as terrorist attacks.
    “Weather’s attacks began three months later, and by 1971 protest bombings had spread across the country. In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972, the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day. Because they were typically detonated late at night, few caused serious injury, leading to a kind of grudging public acceptance. The deadliest underground attack of the decade, in fact, killed all of four people, in the January 1975 bombing of a Wall Street restaurant. News accounts rarely carried any expression or indication of public outrage.
    …
    The epidemic of bombings eased as the decade wore on, though this wasn’t readily apparent in San Francisco, where explosions remained so prevalent that, after an especially nasty series of attacks in 1976, an FBI spokesman termed the city “the Belfast of North America.’” And the violence actually grew more deadly as the number of underground groups dwindled and grew more desperate; the deadliest year for underground violence was 1981 when eleven people were killed in bombings and bank robberies gone bad.”
    The Bombings of America That We Forgot: September 20, 2016

  273. In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972, the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day.
    I’d like to see some confirmation of that number. That time period was the final days of J Edgar Hoover, so I’d suggest there is some inflation in that count. Or perhaps counting each empty glass bottle and gas can as a ‘firebomb’.

  274. In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972, the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day.
    I’d like to see some confirmation of that number. That time period was the final days of J Edgar Hoover, so I’d suggest there is some inflation in that count. Or perhaps counting each empty glass bottle and gas can as a ‘firebomb’.

  277. No one thinks they’re wrong.
    But there is a difference between thinking you’re wrong and not being entirely sure that you’re right. I doubt myself because I’m not so arrogant as to think that I really know with certainty all the things I believe.
    I even have the thought that I could be the crazy one and that I just can’t see the things that the people I think are crazy are actually right about. They think I’m as crazy as I think they are, and if I am, how would I know?
    Mind you, I don’t think that’s the case. I’m reasonably sure the election wasn’t stolen, that Antifa didn’t stage 1/6 (or that the people who did participate weren’t justified – pick one, nutters!), but that doesn’t mean I want to go out busting heads over my beliefs, even as slightly doubted as they are.

  278. No one thinks they’re wrong.
    But there is a difference between thinking you’re wrong and not being entirely sure that you’re right. I doubt myself because I’m not so arrogant as to think that I really know with certainty all the things I believe.
    I even have the thought that I could be the crazy one and that I just can’t see the things that the people I think are crazy are actually right about. They think I’m as crazy as I think they are, and if I am, how would I know?
    Mind you, I don’t think that’s the case. I’m reasonably sure the election wasn’t stolen, that Antifa didn’t stage 1/6 (or that the people who did participate weren’t justified – pick one, nutters!), but that doesn’t mean I want to go out busting heads over my beliefs, even as slightly doubted as they are.

  279. Something else that’s been rattling around in my head is the shifting narratives (or conspiracy theories, boogie men, scapegoats, etc.) that come and go among the more paranoid-right circles. They went from Atifa staging the attack on the Capitol to the participants being valiant patriots saving democracy without missing a beat.
    I Sharia law still a big worry? That was going to destroy America. I guess CRT distracted everyone. I’m still waiting to die from Ebola (thanks, Obama!). Uranium One – remember that? Benghazi seems to have lost steam. Maybe it wasn’t such a scandal, after all.
    It’s hard to remember all the things that were going to destroy us or that were the real story behind whatever controversy.

  280. Something else that’s been rattling around in my head is the shifting narratives (or conspiracy theories, boogie men, scapegoats, etc.) that come and go among the more paranoid-right circles. They went from Atifa staging the attack on the Capitol to the participants being valiant patriots saving democracy without missing a beat.
    I Sharia law still a big worry? That was going to destroy America. I guess CRT distracted everyone. I’m still waiting to die from Ebola (thanks, Obama!). Uranium One – remember that? Benghazi seems to have lost steam. Maybe it wasn’t such a scandal, after all.
    It’s hard to remember all the things that were going to destroy us or that were the real story behind whatever controversy.

  283. It’s hard to remember all the things that were going to destroy us or that were the real story behind whatever controversy.
    The thread which unites them all is: “Everything is terrible, and getting worse. And it’s someone else’s fault!” The particular “evidence” for this is actually irrelevant.
    That’s why it doesn’t seem like debunking a particular example does any good — even when you convince someone. After all, for them that was just one example among many. To change minds you have to get at the underlying worldview.
    And you have to do it over the constant reinforcement from Faux News. Maybe some rich liberal (Soros? 🙂 could buy out the Murdochs and reorient the network. There world still be other sources, but none with nearly the audience that Fox has.

  284. It’s hard to remember all the things that were going to destroy us or that were the real story behind whatever controversy.
    The thread which unites them all is: “Everything is terrible, and getting worse. And it’s someone else’s fault!” The particular “evidence” for this is actually irrelevant.
    That’s why it doesn’t seem like debunking a particular example does any good — even when you convince someone. After all, for them that was just one example among many. To change minds you have to get at the underlying worldview.
    And you have to do it over the constant reinforcement from Faux News. Maybe some rich liberal (Soros? 🙂 could buy out the Murdochs and reorient the network. There world still be other sources, but none with nearly the audience that Fox has.

  287. To change minds you have to get at the underlying worldview.
    Immigrants are lazy and also taking our jobs and also criminals who don’t want jobs. COVID is a hoax but also an engineered bioweapon but also harmless. Antifa and the DemoncRats are violent and destructive terrorists who are also peaceniks and afraid of guns. Keep the gov’t away from my Medicare.
    It’s the whole Real American® thing and the conclusion is the starting point. The worldview isn’t reached, it’s presupposed. Hence “fake news” and “stolen elections” and anything that doesn’t fit the narrative gets binned.
    Unfortunately, since ya can’t reason outta what ya didn’t reason inta, it seems to me the only way to move the crazy towards the sane is the “benevolent dictator” scenario. Which would kinda explain a lot of what we see in the Republican Party (except for the benevolent part).

  288. To change minds you have to get at the underlying worldview.
    Immigrants are lazy and also taking our jobs and also criminals who don’t want jobs. COVID is a hoax but also an engineered bioweapon but also harmless. Antifa and the DemoncRats are violent and destructive terrorists who are also peaceniks and afraid of guns. Keep the gov’t away from my Medicare.
    It’s the whole Real American® thing and the conclusion is the starting point. The worldview isn’t reached, it’s presupposed. Hence “fake news” and “stolen elections” and anything that doesn’t fit the narrative gets binned.
    Unfortunately, since ya can’t reason outta what ya didn’t reason inta, it seems to me the only way to move the crazy towards the sane is the “benevolent dictator” scenario. Which would kinda explain a lot of what we see in the Republican Party (except for the benevolent part).

  289. Pete, you left out the reaction to the Webb photos: the new Webb images were created by CGI, Photoshop, Hollywood special effects, or some combination of all of the above (because there is no Webb telescope). And also, it’s a laser weapon which could be used against people on Earth.

  290. Pete, you left out the reaction to the Webb photos: the new Webb images were created by CGI, Photoshop, Hollywood special effects, or some combination of all of the above (because there is no Webb telescope). And also, it’s a laser weapon which could be used against people on Earth.

  291. Oh! The Giant Space Cannon? I don’t know what they’re thinking.
    I mean, how else are we supposed to compete with Big Jewish in the space-based forest fire industry?

  292. Oh! The Giant Space Cannon? I don’t know what they’re thinking.
    I mean, how else are we supposed to compete with Big Jewish in the space-based forest fire industry?

  293. Amygdala hijacks don’t need any continuity, because they don’t operate rationally.
    When I was much younger, I suffered from pretty severe agoraphobia. It was just kind of a general sense of anxiety or dread, not really tied to any realistic threat or danger.
    As part of that, I was prone to a continuous mental playing out of disastrous scenarios, many of them kind of comical. “If a T Rex came running out of those woods, would I have time to get to the car before it got me?”.
    It became kind of an amusing parlor game between my wife and I.
    “If a tidal wave came up out of the ocean, do you think we are far enough inland to survive?”.
    “Yes, dear. Eat your lunch.”
    Basically, my amygdala was convinced I was in mortal danger, in spite of the clear evidence of my eyeballs, and my brain decided to make shit up to try to explain it.
    I think a lot of the RW conspiracy stuff is like that. “I’m afraid, so there must be something to be afraid of”.
    Zoloft worked for me. Maybe we can put it in the drinking water.

  294. Amygdala hijacks don’t need any continuity, because they don’t operate rationally.
    When I was much younger, I suffered from pretty severe agoraphobia. It was just kind of a general sense of anxiety or dread, not really tied to any realistic threat or danger.
    As part of that, I was prone to a continuous mental playing out of disastrous scenarios, many of them kind of comical. “If a T Rex came running out of those woods, would I have time to get to the car before it got me?”.
    It became kind of an amusing parlor game between my wife and I.
    “If a tidal wave came up out of the ocean, do you think we are far enough inland to survive?”.
    “Yes, dear. Eat your lunch.”
    Basically, my amygdala was convinced I was in mortal danger, in spite of the clear evidence of my eyeballs, and my brain decided to make shit up to try to explain it.
    I think a lot of the RW conspiracy stuff is like that. “I’m afraid, so there must be something to be afraid of”.
    Zoloft worked for me. Maybe we can put it in the drinking water.

  295. “Yes, dear. Eat your lunch.”
    The solution to practically everything. 😉
    (Okay, maybe with a shot of Zoloft on the side.)

  296. “Yes, dear. Eat your lunch.”
    The solution to practically everything. 😉
    (Okay, maybe with a shot of Zoloft on the side.)

  297. Zoloft worked for me. Maybe we can put it in the drinking water.
    Which will leave us just the (highly armed) rural crazies who are still on well water. And they will doubtless go ballistic over putting stuff in the water which might impact people’s politics.
    Still, worth a try.

  298. Zoloft worked for me. Maybe we can put it in the drinking water.
    Which will leave us just the (highly armed) rural crazies who are still on well water. And they will doubtless go ballistic over putting stuff in the water which might impact people’s politics.
    Still, worth a try.

  299. Take another hit of the Zoloft, kids:
    https://www.eschatonblog.com/2022/07/sounds-bad_14.html?m=1
    There are tidal waves. And beware of the undertoad.
    Our amygdalas evolved on account of preservation not FROM fear, but to protect us from what fear is warning us of. The conservative movement, Trump, and Putin are mainlining fear right at us.
    Our reptilian brain stems are signaling that their reptilian brain stems, atop a T-Rex, have already charged out of the forest.

  300. Take another hit of the Zoloft, kids:
    https://www.eschatonblog.com/2022/07/sounds-bad_14.html?m=1
    There are tidal waves. And beware of the undertoad.
    Our amygdalas evolved on account of preservation not FROM fear, but to protect us from what fear is warning us of. The conservative movement, Trump, and Putin are mainlining fear right at us.
    Our reptilian brain stems are signaling that their reptilian brain stems, atop a T-Rex, have already charged out of the forest.

  301. I definitely hope they determine who wiped those records. Charge them with Obstruction and with violating the Federal Records Act. Then go for maximum penalties (5 years and 20 years respectively), served consecutively. A fine could get paid (if only indirectly) by some PAC. So give them jail time and lots of it.
    There may be those deep enough into the cult to risk long years in Federal prosom. But those who bow to Trump just to gain/keep power would be intimidated.

  302. I definitely hope they determine who wiped those records. Charge them with Obstruction and with violating the Federal Records Act. Then go for maximum penalties (5 years and 20 years respectively), served consecutively. A fine could get paid (if only indirectly) by some PAC. So give them jail time and lots of it.
    There may be those deep enough into the cult to risk long years in Federal prosom. But those who bow to Trump just to gain/keep power would be intimidated.

  303. From GftNC’s latest Marina Hyde Tory-reaming above:
    “Boris Johnson insists he will leave Downing Street “with my head held high”. But by who? Which of our hopefuls will be grasping that severed noggin by the famously unkempt hair, and roaring something totally questionable about public service?”
    I’m unclear about whether “But by who?” is the proper construction, but that seems a quibble that only Marie Antoinette would find of supreme importance … as a diversion at the last minute.
    Severed heads are, like T-Rexs and tidal waves, useful metaphors.
    Until they happen.
    But “roaring something totally questionable about public service” is the key line to understanding that the guillotine blade should be kept well-stropped and gleaming for near future basket-fillings in this world of nattily-dressed fascist louts.

  304. From GftNC’s latest Marina Hyde Tory-reaming above:
    “Boris Johnson insists he will leave Downing Street “with my head held high”. But by who? Which of our hopefuls will be grasping that severed noggin by the famously unkempt hair, and roaring something totally questionable about public service?”
    I’m unclear about whether “But by who?” is the proper construction, but that seems a quibble that only Marie Antoinette would find of supreme importance … as a diversion at the last minute.
    Severed heads are, like T-Rexs and tidal waves, useful metaphors.
    Until they happen.
    But “roaring something totally questionable about public service” is the key line to understanding that the guillotine blade should be kept well-stropped and gleaming for near future basket-fillings in this world of nattily-dressed fascist louts.

  305. Take another hit of the Zoloft, kids
    sadly, there are some problems that are beyond the power of medication to fix.

  306. Take another hit of the Zoloft, kids
    sadly, there are some problems that are beyond the power of medication to fix.

  307. One pill makes you … want to take a second one, and secure a lifetime supply:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/15/hiding-in-plain-sight/
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/idaho-gop-resolution-biden-presidency-illegitimate
    A raped ten-year old and her doctor are on the run.
    I see Donald above is sedating himself with fantasy, because somehow in his precisely, evenly distributed goodness, and he is a better man than I am, but somehow he sees two equally evil T-Rexs, two equally destructive tidal waves, and two of everything else.
    Maybe it’s an optometry issue. I should have my eyes checked.
    I don’t know. I think one of the T-Rexs is a lame stegosaurus with indigestion from eating too many plants.
    It’s like when Germany decided in 1933 that Hitler was just like the old boss.
    Heil Hindenburg doesn’t quite have the same ominous music to it.
    I’ll shut the fuck up now.

  308. One pill makes you … want to take a second one, and secure a lifetime supply:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/15/hiding-in-plain-sight/
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/idaho-gop-resolution-biden-presidency-illegitimate
    A raped ten-year old and her doctor are on the run.
    I see Donald above is sedating himself with fantasy, because somehow in his precisely, evenly distributed goodness, and he is a better man than I am, but somehow he sees two equally evil T-Rexs, two equally destructive tidal waves, and two of everything else.
    Maybe it’s an optometry issue. I should have my eyes checked.
    I don’t know. I think one of the T-Rexs is a lame stegosaurus with indigestion from eating too many plants.
    It’s like when Germany decided in 1933 that Hitler was just like the old boss.
    Heil Hindenburg doesn’t quite have the same ominous music to it.
    I’ll shut the fuck up now.

  309. Of course, Libertarians are racist white nationalist homophobic vermin, even the few black and gay conservative politically correct vermin among them:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/16/libertarian-maga/
    Charlie Kirk and company, including red state Governors, legislatures, and attorney generals, and Vlad Putin, are as much a danger to the continuance of the Republic as the Confederate artillery crews who fired on Fort Sumter.
    https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-calls-republican-led-states-defy-federal-government
    Racism, hate, rape and violence against the Other are now fully normalized among one major political party, its rump co-conspirator libertarian party, and America’s major religion, Christianity.
    Going forward with this experiment is impossible.

  310. Of course, Libertarians are racist white nationalist homophobic vermin, even the few black and gay conservative politically correct vermin among them:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/16/libertarian-maga/
    Charlie Kirk and company, including red state Governors, legislatures, and attorney generals, and Vlad Putin, are as much a danger to the continuance of the Republic as the Confederate artillery crews who fired on Fort Sumter.
    https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-calls-republican-led-states-defy-federal-government
    Racism, hate, rape and violence against the Other are now fully normalized among one major political party, its rump co-conspirator libertarian party, and America’s major religion, Christianity.
    Going forward with this experiment is impossible.

  311. Genocidal murderers:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/17/modern-medicine-medieval-law/
    The only thing this, cruel, sadistic, malignant, Putin-supported, subhuman Christian conservative movement disagrees with the murderous Taliban mullahs about is that instead of the latter taking out the Twin Towers on 9/11, they should have chosen buildings in New York City filled with Democratic and liberal women, blacks, gays and transgenders, immigrants, and Jews.
    You are the mortal enemies of America, conservatives.
    Especially the mealy-mouthed dupes among them.

  312. Genocidal murderers:
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/17/modern-medicine-medieval-law/
    The only thing this, cruel, sadistic, malignant, Putin-supported, subhuman Christian conservative movement disagrees with the murderous Taliban mullahs about is that instead of the latter taking out the Twin Towers on 9/11, they should have chosen buildings in New York City filled with Democratic and liberal women, blacks, gays and transgenders, immigrants, and Jews.
    You are the mortal enemies of America, conservatives.
    Especially the mealy-mouthed dupes among them.

  315. Note that, in all the cases Digby cites, the reason for delay was “fetal heartbeat detected.” I’m guessing that the new standard will be “Don’t, very carefully don’t, check for fetal heartbeat, because if you don’t check you won’t detect it.”** It leaves doctors with less information, but may reasult in better outcomes.
    ** Although I suppose that, if they realize it, the reactionary, misogynist state legislatures may extend their interference in medical parctice to mandate it.

  316. Note that, in all the cases Digby cites, the reason for delay was “fetal heartbeat detected.” I’m guessing that the new standard will be “Don’t, very carefully don’t, check for fetal heartbeat, because if you don’t check you won’t detect it.”** It leaves doctors with less information, but may reasult in better outcomes.
    ** Although I suppose that, if they realize it, the reactionary, misogynist state legislatures may extend their interference in medical parctice to mandate it.

  317. https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/it-takes-at-least-377-good-men-with-guns
    All 377 got stuck shoulder to shoulder in the faulty school doorway like so many Archie Bunkers and Meatheads clacking their AK-47 together struggling to get to the dinner table.
    If there’d been an abortion in process, or a presentation by a 7-year old about BLM, or a couple of trans folks there for story hour in a classroom, the Magnificent 377 would have been in and out after shooting everyone in sight and awarded commendations by the murderous Christian Governor.
    Jesus Christ on a tilted Merry-go-Round, the armed conservative rotten stinking blithering evil in this mistake of a country.
    We still enjoy Sushi after nuking Japanese cities, and we still love our German cars and cameras and schitzel after firebombing German cities, so there will be nothing to prevent us from appropriating some fine Texas barbecue after we wipe that rightwing state off the face of the Earth.
    We’ll take in a modest number of refugees after proper vetting, disarmament, and re-education in civilized discourse and living.

  318. https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/it-takes-at-least-377-good-men-with-guns
    All 377 got stuck shoulder to shoulder in the faulty school doorway like so many Archie Bunkers and Meatheads clacking their AK-47 together struggling to get to the dinner table.
    If there’d been an abortion in process, or a presentation by a 7-year old about BLM, or a couple of trans folks there for story hour in a classroom, the Magnificent 377 would have been in and out after shooting everyone in sight and awarded commendations by the murderous Christian Governor.
    Jesus Christ on a tilted Merry-go-Round, the armed conservative rotten stinking blithering evil in this mistake of a country.
    We still enjoy Sushi after nuking Japanese cities, and we still love our German cars and cameras and schitzel after firebombing German cities, so there will be nothing to prevent us from appropriating some fine Texas barbecue after we wipe that rightwing state off the face of the Earth.
    We’ll take in a modest number of refugees after proper vetting, disarmament, and re-education in civilized discourse and living.

  321. https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/sociobiology-gop-style
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/18/sitting-maga-down-for-a-talk/
    No talk. Forget talk. Talk is done.
    The murderous Trump Republican Party and the murderous Saudi Princes co-scuttled those pointless talks to further scuttle and steal all future American elections to put their agents in control of the US Government.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudis-oil-decisions-opec-biden-170537986.html
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/giving-trade-unions-risks-driving-063258968.html
    The Soviet fifth column in America .. the entire conservative movement, the Republican Party, the white Christian nationalist movement, the now clearly admitted racist and fascist Libertarian bowel movement … cheer on Russia’s coming genocide in Europe, the death of NATO and EU and the EURO as do the fascist Brexit vermin in England.
    The Republican Party is merely a robust tentacle of Russia’s and Putin’s Federal Security Service (FSB), formerly and still the KGB.
    No peace in America until all of this EVIL and every single one of its one billion conservative movement religious nationalist perpetrators are wiped off the face of the Earth.
    The dupes in America, the tens of millions of them who enabled this disgrace will be put in cages and poked with sticks until they break down and beg that someone call their hated fucking US government to help them and even triple their stinking taxes.

  322. https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/sociobiology-gop-style
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/18/sitting-maga-down-for-a-talk/
    No talk. Forget talk. Talk is done.
    The murderous Trump Republican Party and the murderous Saudi Princes co-scuttled those pointless talks to further scuttle and steal all future American elections to put their agents in control of the US Government.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudis-oil-decisions-opec-biden-170537986.html
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/giving-trade-unions-risks-driving-063258968.html
    The Soviet fifth column in America .. the entire conservative movement, the Republican Party, the white Christian nationalist movement, the now clearly admitted racist and fascist Libertarian bowel movement … cheer on Russia’s coming genocide in Europe, the death of NATO and EU and the EURO as do the fascist Brexit vermin in England.
    The Republican Party is merely a robust tentacle of Russia’s and Putin’s Federal Security Service (FSB), formerly and still the KGB.
    No peace in America until all of this EVIL and every single one of its one billion conservative movement religious nationalist perpetrators are wiped off the face of the Earth.
    The dupes in America, the tens of millions of them who enabled this disgrace will be put in cages and poked with sticks until they break down and beg that someone call their hated fucking US government to help them and even triple their stinking taxes.

  323. https://jabberwocking.com/the-economy-is-set-to-improve-this-year-if-we-want-it-to/
    But it will be ruined by the lying, thieving, cheating, anti-American conservative demon movement, even as inflation collapses (commodities, including gold, lumber,and copper are crashing, shipping rates have been crashing for a year, inventories are unsold and soaring, the supply chain, after being ravaged by Trump’s hatred of foreigners, except for his fellow fascists, and his evil and thoroughly purposeful mishandling of the pandemic is regaining equilibrium, housing prices are leveling off and demand slumping … the next lie you will hear from subhuman conservatives, even as they condemn inflation, is that Joe Biden has killed price appreciation, which only they deserve, in THEIR real estate holdings … unpatriotic American oil and gas producers and their brethren in the Kremlin love the inflation in natural gas prices and squeezing the “consumer”, and they love soaring temperatures in the summer and diving temperatures in the winter, and they hate all alternative energy options ….. because Americans who own shit love inflation in the prices of THEIR shit at the expense of everyone else who would like a piece of the action too.

  324. https://jabberwocking.com/the-economy-is-set-to-improve-this-year-if-we-want-it-to/
    But it will be ruined by the lying, thieving, cheating, anti-American conservative demon movement, even as inflation collapses (commodities, including gold, lumber,and copper are crashing, shipping rates have been crashing for a year, inventories are unsold and soaring, the supply chain, after being ravaged by Trump’s hatred of foreigners, except for his fellow fascists, and his evil and thoroughly purposeful mishandling of the pandemic is regaining equilibrium, housing prices are leveling off and demand slumping … the next lie you will hear from subhuman conservatives, even as they condemn inflation, is that Joe Biden has killed price appreciation, which only they deserve, in THEIR real estate holdings … unpatriotic American oil and gas producers and their brethren in the Kremlin love the inflation in natural gas prices and squeezing the “consumer”, and they love soaring temperatures in the summer and diving temperatures in the winter, and they hate all alternative energy options ….. because Americans who own shit love inflation in the prices of THEIR shit at the expense of everyone else who would like a piece of the action too.

  325. Pregnant women, regardless of the intentions of their travel anywhere, now have the identical right to travel as criminal parolees, criminals out on bail, undocumented immigrants, Cuban boat people, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, invasive bug species, Ebola victims, African-American escaped slaves during, well, just about any fucking time in American history, horse rustlers, auto thieves, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and Sitting Bull.
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/18/theyre-coming-for-marriage-equality/
    Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, Desantis, any number of Texas conservative murderers, Ginny Thomas, and every big-haired, corrupt, Christian grifter come and go as they please as they kill America.

  326. Pregnant women, regardless of the intentions of their travel anywhere, now have the identical right to travel as criminal parolees, criminals out on bail, undocumented immigrants, Cuban boat people, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, invasive bug species, Ebola victims, African-American escaped slaves during, well, just about any fucking time in American history, horse rustlers, auto thieves, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and Sitting Bull.
    https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/18/theyre-coming-for-marriage-equality/
    Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, Desantis, any number of Texas conservative murderers, Ginny Thomas, and every big-haired, corrupt, Christian grifter come and go as they please as they kill America.

  327. It’s time that pro abortion rights folks begin keeping tabs on all pregnant conservative Republican women, especially those in the midst of an unfortunate miscarriage, in their neighborhoods, counties, cities, and states and every one of the latter who attempts to travel carrying anything more than a small purse should be reported to the authorities, ya know, the busybody conservative fucks in charge, and stopped, interrogated, and body cavity searched to allay suspicions that they are seeking abortions or other neonatal care in or out of state.
    At gunpoint.
    Headed for the beauty parlor, lady? Having yer nails done, are ya?
    I here tell that place has an abortion clinic in the basement.
    And why is this gay male conservative who is against abortion rights traveling with you?
    Is he seeking some illicit fun across state lines, or perhaps marriage to someone of the identical, non-contradictory persuasion.
    God commands that the two of you step out of the car please, and keep those hands visible at all times.
    it’s just a routine checkpoint in Soviet America.

  328. It’s time that pro abortion rights folks begin keeping tabs on all pregnant conservative Republican women, especially those in the midst of an unfortunate miscarriage, in their neighborhoods, counties, cities, and states and every one of the latter who attempts to travel carrying anything more than a small purse should be reported to the authorities, ya know, the busybody conservative fucks in charge, and stopped, interrogated, and body cavity searched to allay suspicions that they are seeking abortions or other neonatal care in or out of state.
    At gunpoint.
    Headed for the beauty parlor, lady? Having yer nails done, are ya?
    I here tell that place has an abortion clinic in the basement.
    And why is this gay male conservative who is against abortion rights traveling with you?
    Is he seeking some illicit fun across state lines, or perhaps marriage to someone of the identical, non-contradictory persuasion.
    God commands that the two of you step out of the car please, and keep those hands visible at all times.
    it’s just a routine checkpoint in Soviet America.

  329. If a woman dies during pregnancy for any reason related to her fetus, including being decided life-saving care whether the fetus is brought to term or not, why shouldn’t the fetus, either born or posthumously, be brought up on charges of manslaughter, along with her doctors, the attending nurses, the hospital administrators, and six Supreme Court murderers as accessories to manslaughter or murder?
    According to devout male Christian conservatives, every single one of their sperm are individual baby Jesus’s and it’s only the demon corruption of the woman, her very ovaries and eggs, that prevent the next cumming of Jesus.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/15/abortion-women-womb-gop-montana-tschida/
    That womb ain’t yours, ladies, according to the Universal Church of Libertarian, Christian, Republican, and Conservative Subhuman Genocidal Motherfuckers.
    When Putin sends his Cossacks into America to rape every little girl, teenage girl, grown woman, and elderly lady, by God, those fetuses will be brought to term and immediately appointed to government positions throughout America.
    That’s what I call fully successful Russian Kompromat..
    Hail the millions of fresh-faced fascist Vlads at the next RNC sheebang.
    Hey, looks like the Republican Party plans to enter Colorado in the coming savagely violent Civil War.
    Good, it’ll cut down on my travel miles to get to the fucking front.

  330. If a woman dies during pregnancy for any reason related to her fetus, including being decided life-saving care whether the fetus is brought to term or not, why shouldn’t the fetus, either born or posthumously, be brought up on charges of manslaughter, along with her doctors, the attending nurses, the hospital administrators, and six Supreme Court murderers as accessories to manslaughter or murder?
    According to devout male Christian conservatives, every single one of their sperm are individual baby Jesus’s and it’s only the demon corruption of the woman, her very ovaries and eggs, that prevent the next cumming of Jesus.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/15/abortion-women-womb-gop-montana-tschida/
    That womb ain’t yours, ladies, according to the Universal Church of Libertarian, Christian, Republican, and Conservative Subhuman Genocidal Motherfuckers.
    When Putin sends his Cossacks into America to rape every little girl, teenage girl, grown woman, and elderly lady, by God, those fetuses will be brought to term and immediately appointed to government positions throughout America.
    That’s what I call fully successful Russian Kompromat..
    Hail the millions of fresh-faced fascist Vlads at the next RNC sheebang.
    Hey, looks like the Republican Party plans to enter Colorado in the coming savagely violent Civil War.
    Good, it’ll cut down on my travel miles to get to the fucking front.

  335. This a line from LGM regarding the new fascist abortion regime:
    “Nothing about this is unintentional. The cruelty has always been the point.”
    But it goes for every stinking policy, malignant ethic, ghoulish statement and opinion, and rancid breath and death rattle taken by conservatives.
    America will be taken down to the pins and we will make savage cruelty against them the Rule of Law.

  336. This a line from LGM regarding the new fascist abortion regime:
    “Nothing about this is unintentional. The cruelty has always been the point.”
    But it goes for every stinking policy, malignant ethic, ghoulish statement and opinion, and rancid breath and death rattle taken by conservatives.
    America will be taken down to the pins and we will make savage cruelty against them the Rule of Law.

  337. If he was black and standing there in public with those weapons, most Texans would shoot him in his head and then steal his guns:
    https://balloon-juice.com/monday-afternoon-open-thread/
    We are going to come and get it.
    This guy, an agent of an enemy foreign state, was permitted within stethoscope-length near Barack Obama.
    He could have shown up at the Uvalde Elementary School with his substitute penises and been the 378th wet-ass pussy to cool his heels while little children were shot to bloody pieces.
    I wonder how many abortions his former girlfriends’ have had and how many others he arranged for women in Texas from his good offices as a highly-placed quack.
    He threatened the President of the United States with deadly violence.
    Nothing will be done because America is a conservative, moribund piece of dogshit.

  338. If he was black and standing there in public with those weapons, most Texans would shoot him in his head and then steal his guns:
    https://balloon-juice.com/monday-afternoon-open-thread/
    We are going to come and get it.
    This guy, an agent of an enemy foreign state, was permitted within stethoscope-length near Barack Obama.
    He could have shown up at the Uvalde Elementary School with his substitute penises and been the 378th wet-ass pussy to cool his heels while little children were shot to bloody pieces.
    I wonder how many abortions his former girlfriends’ have had and how many others he arranged for women in Texas from his good offices as a highly-placed quack.
    He threatened the President of the United States with deadly violence.
    Nothing will be done because America is a conservative, moribund piece of dogshit.

  339. The Presidency of the United States and the Oval Office are now the hidey-holes for criminal, traitorous Republicans.
    Merrick Garland may be intentionally harboring criminals in our government.
    One thing I’ve always kept in mind since McConnell stole that Supreme Court seat from Garland and Obama, in contravention of every civilized norm and precedent in American hiwtory, was that Garland is a stinking confederate conservative his own self anyway.
    He’s a Manchin snake in the grass without a boat.
    Trust no one that has any history whatsoever with the fascist Republican Party.
    They are liars, cheats, and thieves to a man and woman.
    The dupes just look and act dumb.
    From Putin all way down to the janitor at the RNC, they must be destroyed.
    Here’s another confederate Christian genocidal monster stepping up to thwart democracy and freedom:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-maryland-ag-hopeful-is-pro-secession-and-believes-all-public-education-is-a-communist-plot-report/ar-AAZHLJ1?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=8664141322f3440bfbd366155c171241
    They’ve tunneled under every single institution in America like the Viet Cong and the Mexican drug cartels.
    They are killers.

  340. The Presidency of the United States and the Oval Office are now the hidey-holes for criminal, traitorous Republicans.
    Merrick Garland may be intentionally harboring criminals in our government.
    One thing I’ve always kept in mind since McConnell stole that Supreme Court seat from Garland and Obama, in contravention of every civilized norm and precedent in American hiwtory, was that Garland is a stinking confederate conservative his own self anyway.
    He’s a Manchin snake in the grass without a boat.
    Trust no one that has any history whatsoever with the fascist Republican Party.
    They are liars, cheats, and thieves to a man and woman.
    The dupes just look and act dumb.
    From Putin all way down to the janitor at the RNC, they must be destroyed.
    Here’s another confederate Christian genocidal monster stepping up to thwart democracy and freedom:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-maryland-ag-hopeful-is-pro-secession-and-believes-all-public-education-is-a-communist-plot-report/ar-AAZHLJ1?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=8664141322f3440bfbd366155c171241
    They’ve tunneled under every single institution in America like the Viet Cong and the Mexican drug cartels.
    They are killers.

  343. https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/19/its-not-climate-change-making-trump-sweat/
    Appended to the DOJ departmental memo counseling “election-year sensitivity” were Garland’s photos from his ongoing summer vacation in which he and his family appeared afraid of seeming authoritarian and partisan.
    His second-in-command, F. Tonto Lickenspittle, led the cavalry down a box canyon to view wildflowers.
    He led a sensitivity session which was interrupted by flaming arrows in his back from a Comanche war party that had them penned in on both sides.

  344. https://digbysblog.net/2022/07/19/its-not-climate-change-making-trump-sweat/
    Appended to the DOJ departmental memo counseling “election-year sensitivity” were Garland’s photos from his ongoing summer vacation in which he and his family appeared afraid of seeming authoritarian and partisan.
    His second-in-command, F. Tonto Lickenspittle, led the cavalry down a box canyon to view wildflowers.
    He led a sensitivity session which was interrupted by flaming arrows in his back from a Comanche war party that had them penned in on both sides.

  345. The worldwide conservative movement set these fires with the flammable gases shot from their gobs.
    Joe Manchin was seen sauntering away from the scene seeking a water hazard on a golf course.
    https://www.youtube.com/

  346. The worldwide conservative movement set these fires with the flammable gases shot from their gobs.
    Joe Manchin was seen sauntering away from the scene seeking a water hazard on a golf course.
    https://www.youtube.com/

  349. Garland’s memo says, in part:

    Simply put, partisan politics must play no role in the decisions of federal investigators or prosecutors regarding any investigations or criminal charges.

    But one has to wonder if anyone has pointed out to him that failing to indict someone, just because they are a politician who is running for (or has held) office is, rather blatantly, a matter of politics playing a part.
    Indeed, I’d argue that failing to indict, just because the case isn’t, quite, a slam dunk is strictly a politican decision. And, since he seems to care about DoJ’s reputation, will absolutely be seen that way. By a substantially bigger share of the population than will object to an indictment.

  350. Garland’s memo says, in part:

    Simply put, partisan politics must play no role in the decisions of federal investigators or prosecutors regarding any investigations or criminal charges.

    But one has to wonder if anyone has pointed out to him that failing to indict someone, just because they are a politician who is running for (or has held) office is, rather blatantly, a matter of politics playing a part.
    Indeed, I’d argue that failing to indict, just because the case isn’t, quite, a slam dunk is strictly a politican decision. And, since he seems to care about DoJ’s reputation, will absolutely be seen that way. By a substantially bigger share of the population than will object to an indictment.

  351. The winner of the tournament gets a meatbag full of frozen Jamal Khashoggi body hunks for later dining at their leisure or for Trump to auction off at the next CPAC cannibal fest at a hefty profit:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/9-11-victims-families-urge-trump-to-reconsider-events-with-saudi-backed-liv-golf-11658170028?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts
    Any both-sides-do-it dummy dupe types wanna tee up Biden’s visit to Saudi Arabia to beg Republican Party socialite and associate murderer Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman-Laden to be a human being and see how that flies as a riposte.
    That would be a triple bogey choke out of a water hazard.
    There are snipers on the 18th hole.

  352. The winner of the tournament gets a meatbag full of frozen Jamal Khashoggi body hunks for later dining at their leisure or for Trump to auction off at the next CPAC cannibal fest at a hefty profit:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/9-11-victims-families-urge-trump-to-reconsider-events-with-saudi-backed-liv-golf-11658170028?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts
    Any both-sides-do-it dummy dupe types wanna tee up Biden’s visit to Saudi Arabia to beg Republican Party socialite and associate murderer Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman-Laden to be a human being and see how that flies as a riposte.
    That would be a triple bogey choke out of a water hazard.
    There are snipers on the 18th hole.

  353. We’re so fascistically fucked that the only thing left is to smoke a cigarette and then turn out the lights on dead dog shit America once and for all:
    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/secret-service-cant-find-any-of-those-totally-innocuous-texts-from-the-day-of-donald-trumps-attempted-coup-that-got-deleted-after-government-investigators-asked-for-them
    I’m certain that the FBI has the collected OBWI comments of nooneithinkisinmytree in their records and in triplicate in preparation for my arrest and disappearance the day after the Inauguration of Fascist DeTrumpis in January 2025, but they can’t listen in, record and keep all conversations, texts, and emails by every federal employee in the Federal Government, just for fun.

  354. We’re so fascistically fucked that the only thing left is to smoke a cigarette and then turn out the lights on dead dog shit America once and for all:
    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/07/secret-service-cant-find-any-of-those-totally-innocuous-texts-from-the-day-of-donald-trumps-attempted-coup-that-got-deleted-after-government-investigators-asked-for-them
    I’m certain that the FBI has the collected OBWI comments of nooneithinkisinmytree in their records and in triplicate in preparation for my arrest and disappearance the day after the Inauguration of Fascist DeTrumpis in January 2025, but they can’t listen in, record and keep all conversations, texts, and emails by every federal employee in the Federal Government, just for fun.

  355. It does seem a bit odd that the Secret Service’s cell phone provider can’t find a copy of those texts on one of their backups. But perhaps the committee is just demonstrating how far down the rabbit hole the Trump Secret Service went, while already obtaining the information elsewhere.

  356. It does seem a bit odd that the Secret Service’s cell phone provider can’t find a copy of those texts on one of their backups. But perhaps the committee is just demonstrating how far down the rabbit hole the Trump Secret Service went, while already obtaining the information elsewhere.

  359. Anthony Fauci needs to carry large-clip semi-automatic weaponry with him for the remainder of his life and with body guards carrying the same.
    Sit facing the door in restaurants.
    He’ll recognize these two subhuman fascist murderers and many others approaching him and take the appropriate conservatively-approved action, hails of gunfire, in self-defense:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/eric-bolling/newsmaxs-eric-bolling-nothing-would-make-me-happier-see-fauci-those-leg-irons-being

  360. Anthony Fauci needs to carry large-clip semi-automatic weaponry with him for the remainder of his life and with body guards carrying the same.
    Sit facing the door in restaurants.
    He’ll recognize these two subhuman fascist murderers and many others approaching him and take the appropriate conservatively-approved action, hails of gunfire, in self-defense:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/eric-bolling/newsmaxs-eric-bolling-nothing-would-make-me-happier-see-fauci-those-leg-irons-being

  363. As a SysAdmin once upon a time, mobile devices were always archived. The devices were kept until the new devices were confirmed working, free of defect, and with their own initial backup. Only after that were they zeroed & reset to factory. But the backups were always preserved.
    That was just my own policy for small businesses. If the USSS has more lax data archiving and custody policies than that, they are guilty of gross negligence at the very least.
    That strains credulity. Maybe 1/6 should also request data & device policy, including when those policies were implemented.

  364. As a SysAdmin once upon a time, mobile devices were always archived. The devices were kept until the new devices were confirmed working, free of defect, and with their own initial backup. Only after that were they zeroed & reset to factory. But the backups were always preserved.
    That was just my own policy for small businesses. If the USSS has more lax data archiving and custody policies than that, they are guilty of gross negligence at the very least.
    That strains credulity. Maybe 1/6 should also request data & device policy, including when those policies were implemented.

  365. https://twitter.com/musclesnnursing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1548740495089827840%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fballoon-juice.com%2F
    I demand, as a matter of the Rule of Law (ya know, the kind we had before Trump showed the way to destroying it) that every blue state and blue district and municipality in America pass a law that makes it a simple misdemeanor to murder any subhuman conservative movement Christian, Libertarian, and/or Republican who comes within 500 feet of any pregnant woman going about the business of her life.
    600 feet for the six murderous Supreme Court Judges.
    Now, if North Carolina passes that law over the veto of their Governor, I ask that it at least be amended to designate special and separate crossing lanes for pregnant women crossing the street to seek neonatal care, so that subhuman murderous conservative Christians, like the ones over at TAC, can get a clear shot at her with either their AK-47s or their low gas mileage SUVs without taking out what appear to be perfectly innocent people who are crossing the street to murder 20 little kids in an elementary school.
    I mean, can’t reasonable people agree on anything?
    Language should also be added to the legislation cautioning subhuman conservative Christians, et al to limit their gunfire in school classrooms to only the targeted pregnant female teacher who might have made a suspicious doctor’s appointment after school and try not to shoot to bloody pieces every little kid in the classroom, which I realize for these filth is tempting at all times.
    If you take out the gay or trans teacher’s aide too who happens to be in the classroom during your Mission from God, well, we’ll take that to the highest court in the land to determine if you are with your sincere religious rights under the now defunct Establishment Clause, which stipulates that even if you are fucking insane, God protects you and the Taliban’s right to kill anyone you special ones deem appropriate.
    So many hills in a Civil War.
    Why, it takes some deliberation to decide which one to die on.
    They ALL look good to me.

  366. https://twitter.com/musclesnnursing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1548740495089827840%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fballoon-juice.com%2F
    I demand, as a matter of the Rule of Law (ya know, the kind we had before Trump showed the way to destroying it) that every blue state and blue district and municipality in America pass a law that makes it a simple misdemeanor to murder any subhuman conservative movement Christian, Libertarian, and/or Republican who comes within 500 feet of any pregnant woman going about the business of her life.
    600 feet for the six murderous Supreme Court Judges.
    Now, if North Carolina passes that law over the veto of their Governor, I ask that it at least be amended to designate special and separate crossing lanes for pregnant women crossing the street to seek neonatal care, so that subhuman murderous conservative Christians, like the ones over at TAC, can get a clear shot at her with either their AK-47s or their low gas mileage SUVs without taking out what appear to be perfectly innocent people who are crossing the street to murder 20 little kids in an elementary school.
    I mean, can’t reasonable people agree on anything?
    Language should also be added to the legislation cautioning subhuman conservative Christians, et al to limit their gunfire in school classrooms to only the targeted pregnant female teacher who might have made a suspicious doctor’s appointment after school and try not to shoot to bloody pieces every little kid in the classroom, which I realize for these filth is tempting at all times.
    If you take out the gay or trans teacher’s aide too who happens to be in the classroom during your Mission from God, well, we’ll take that to the highest court in the land to determine if you are with your sincere religious rights under the now defunct Establishment Clause, which stipulates that even if you are fucking insane, God protects you and the Taliban’s right to kill anyone you special ones deem appropriate.
    So many hills in a Civil War.
    Why, it takes some deliberation to decide which one to die on.
    They ALL look good to me.

  367. By the way, that South Carolina legislation will likely not pass ….. for a while.
    But it took even the efficient Nazi meat grinder a number of years to fully set into law anti-Jewish measures in the 1930s, first removing right after right and then separating …. gerrymandering … their prey from the population as a whole.
    It’s not like it happened all at once and ipso fatso, off everyone went to Auschwitz in the blink of an eye.
    The genocidal American Conservative Movement, of course, like the Nazi Party, and all other fascist movements, such as Putin’s set in place many years of planned shelf turn-key milestones in their fascism and then steadily introduced them as they swarmed over and infested German institutions:
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/anti-jewish-legislation-in-prewar-germany
    The Republican Party is a good deal more determined, organized, and impatient to seal all of us into their fascist Christian tomb, so time is of the essence.
    They will kill all of us.
    The logic of their poisonous movement gives them no alternative at this late date.

  368. By the way, that South Carolina legislation will likely not pass ….. for a while.
    But it took even the efficient Nazi meat grinder a number of years to fully set into law anti-Jewish measures in the 1930s, first removing right after right and then separating …. gerrymandering … their prey from the population as a whole.
    It’s not like it happened all at once and ipso fatso, off everyone went to Auschwitz in the blink of an eye.
    The genocidal American Conservative Movement, of course, like the Nazi Party, and all other fascist movements, such as Putin’s set in place many years of planned shelf turn-key milestones in their fascism and then steadily introduced them as they swarmed over and infested German institutions:
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/anti-jewish-legislation-in-prewar-germany
    The Republican Party is a good deal more determined, organized, and impatient to seal all of us into their fascist Christian tomb, so time is of the essence.
    They will kill all of us.
    The logic of their poisonous movement gives them no alternative at this late date.

  371. One perhaps virtuous thing about me is that I have no plan to monetize my rants and threats.
    Strike “virtuous”. It makes me sound full of myself.
    https://www.mediamatters.org/one-america-news-network/homophobia-harassment-and-anti-mask-tantrums-meet-oans-latest-personality
    Wiping the fascist conservative movement off the face of the Earth is a gratis charitable deed I will attain merely as thanks to what was once America for letting me live in a free country until 2016, with of course fascist warm-up rehearsal pit stops along the way thanks to Nixon, Reagan, Gingrich, and Bush the Younger.

  372. One perhaps virtuous thing about me is that I have no plan to monetize my rants and threats.
    Strike “virtuous”. It makes me sound full of myself.
    https://www.mediamatters.org/one-america-news-network/homophobia-harassment-and-anti-mask-tantrums-meet-oans-latest-personality
    Wiping the fascist conservative movement off the face of the Earth is a gratis charitable deed I will attain merely as thanks to what was once America for letting me live in a free country until 2016, with of course fascist warm-up rehearsal pit stops along the way thanks to Nixon, Reagan, Gingrich, and Bush the Younger.

  373. On first read, this New Yorker article seems a taut, difficult, and empathetic but evocative and uplifting recounting of the extraordinary experiences of extraordinary physicians:
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/07/25/why-storytelling-is-part-of-being-a-good-doctor-all-that-moves-us-jay-wellons
    But as you re-read about these doctors trying to save fetal and mother’s lives from the difficulties of birth and save the lives of gunshot victims, you begin to realize that these magnificent human beings are now in grave danger, for the slightest slip-up, the slightest human error of judgement and/or practice, of persecution, prosecution, public disgrace, career-ending lawsuits, harassment, stalking, possible deadly assault, along with their families and their patients, assassination, even with the tacit ….. if not full-throated … approval of subhuman, malignant, sadistic lawmakers, judges, and Presidents, for their trouble and sacrifice, from the subhuman conservative movement.
    From the subhuman genocidal Christian movement.
    From the subhuman genocidal Libertarian movement.
    From the subhuman genocidal Republican movement.
    From the worldwide armed subhuman conservative genocidal movement.

  374. On first read, this New Yorker article seems a taut, difficult, and empathetic but evocative and uplifting recounting of the extraordinary experiences of extraordinary physicians:
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/07/25/why-storytelling-is-part-of-being-a-good-doctor-all-that-moves-us-jay-wellons
    But as you re-read about these doctors trying to save fetal and mother’s lives from the difficulties of birth and save the lives of gunshot victims, you begin to realize that these magnificent human beings are now in grave danger, for the slightest slip-up, the slightest human error of judgement and/or practice, of persecution, prosecution, public disgrace, career-ending lawsuits, harassment, stalking, possible deadly assault, along with their families and their patients, assassination, even with the tacit ….. if not full-throated … approval of subhuman, malignant, sadistic lawmakers, judges, and Presidents, for their trouble and sacrifice, from the subhuman conservative movement.
    From the subhuman genocidal Christian movement.
    From the subhuman genocidal Libertarian movement.
    From the subhuman genocidal Republican movement.
    From the worldwide armed subhuman conservative genocidal movement.

  375. Runways at two British airports melted.
    Joe Manchin, while jerking off with one hand, signaled his private plane pilot with the other to bypass those airports.

  376. Runways at two British airports melted.
    Joe Manchin, while jerking off with one hand, signaled his private plane pilot with the other to bypass those airports.

  381. The sweetie little girl wasn’t a fetus, so she don’t count no ways.
    But more likely it was simply a matter of the killer being a man. Rather than, as in an abortion, a woman. Although your point may have provided additional support.

  382. The sweetie little girl wasn’t a fetus, so she don’t count no ways.
    But more likely it was simply a matter of the killer being a man. Rather than, as in an abortion, a woman. Although your point may have provided additional support.

  383. Well, let’s say I was an armed bystander at the scene … and a trigger-happy one at that, given the Texas-upbringing … and I only HEARD the gunshots without witnessing the ATM theft and turned to see the shooter had shot into a car of innocent people, blood and viscera everywhere and I considered my life the other bystanders’ lives in life-threatening danger and shot the shooter goddamned dead right then and there, cause maybe his next stop was an elementary school for all I and my firearm know.
    The shooting does not have to stop after the first shots. Maybe a second bystander would glimpse me shooting the shooter and shoot me too.
    Why, it’d be like “Who Shot Liberty Valance” in triplicate, with me playing Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, and Lee Marvin all in one role.
    What would be the charge against me be and how would that Texas jury rule?
    I mean how much money being withdrawn from the ATM ($200 maximum?) was worth trying to shoot the thief, who, natch, despite all the bloodshed, is probably making reservations at the French Laundry and signing up in Texas to be an election vote counter in the Fall.

  384. Well, let’s say I was an armed bystander at the scene … and a trigger-happy one at that, given the Texas-upbringing … and I only HEARD the gunshots without witnessing the ATM theft and turned to see the shooter had shot into a car of innocent people, blood and viscera everywhere and I considered my life the other bystanders’ lives in life-threatening danger and shot the shooter goddamned dead right then and there, cause maybe his next stop was an elementary school for all I and my firearm know.
    The shooting does not have to stop after the first shots. Maybe a second bystander would glimpse me shooting the shooter and shoot me too.
    Why, it’d be like “Who Shot Liberty Valance” in triplicate, with me playing Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, and Lee Marvin all in one role.
    What would be the charge against me be and how would that Texas jury rule?
    I mean how much money being withdrawn from the ATM ($200 maximum?) was worth trying to shoot the thief, who, natch, despite all the bloodshed, is probably making reservations at the French Laundry and signing up in Texas to be an election vote counter in the Fall.

  385. One text. It said “Eat Me”.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/secret-service-one-text-exchange-dhs-ig
    So, if you are Jill Biden, do you lay awake at night thinking that just maybe your husband, the elected President of the United States, might be slaughtered one day in a hail of gunfire by Donald Trump’s Palace Guard who stayed on to make sure the transition was something other than peaceful.
    Biden needs to fire the Secret Service from his presence and hire that black militia that included the guy with the flame thrower as his personal body guard.
    How many current Secret Service agents are Putin double agents?

  386. One text. It said “Eat Me”.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/secret-service-one-text-exchange-dhs-ig
    So, if you are Jill Biden, do you lay awake at night thinking that just maybe your husband, the elected President of the United States, might be slaughtered one day in a hail of gunfire by Donald Trump’s Palace Guard who stayed on to make sure the transition was something other than peaceful.
    Biden needs to fire the Secret Service from his presence and hire that black militia that included the guy with the flame thrower as his personal body guard.
    How many current Secret Service agents are Putin double agents?

  387. Nothing will be done.
    Killing with impunity is now a Constitutional right in America:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/4chan/right-wing-media-narratives-have-put-indiana-abortion-provider-danger-hate-spreads-through
    It didn’t have to be this way.
    It was deliberately made this way by the ferociously murderous conservative movement.
    They will kill us.
    Alright, so we’re half thru the week and I’ve had my say like a chattering magpie.
    See ya. Be safe.

  388. Nothing will be done.
    Killing with impunity is now a Constitutional right in America:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/4chan/right-wing-media-narratives-have-put-indiana-abortion-provider-danger-hate-spreads-through
    It didn’t have to be this way.
    It was deliberately made this way by the ferociously murderous conservative movement.
    They will kill us.
    Alright, so we’re half thru the week and I’ve had my say like a chattering magpie.
    See ya. Be safe.

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