by liberal japonicus
Reading thru all the things on Kamala (pronounced ‘comma-la’, the name comes from Sanskrit) and going down rabbit holes. Didn’t know much about the Indian-American diaspora, except that in addition to Harris, Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal (and Dinesh D’Souza, gross) were part of it. I also, as is my wont, tend to be sarcastic with things that bother me, so when I read ‘Asian American’ plopped into an article about Harris, I think of the joke about the difficulty of telling Narendra Modi and Xi Jinping apart because everyone knows that all Asians look alike, so I resisted reading up any speculation about the pick, but now that’s she has been chosen, I’ll read stuff even if they have ‘first Asian American’ whatever. (I have to go back and see what ‘South Asian’ vs ‘Asian’ correlates with in these articles)
I get the impression that a lot of articles have emphasized Harris as a Black American, but it is striking to me that it is the same as Obama, parents who divorced, the candidate raised by the non-black mother, yet the emphasis is on the father, an emphasis that Harris makes herself. I think I wrote something about that in discussing a bio of Ann Durham, Obama’s mother. I’m waiting, with bated breath, for Harris to be accused in a similar way to Obama, that he was black-ish rather than black (though that may be a rhetorical pretzel too far for some) so I want to emphasize that my interest into Harris’ Indian roots shouldn’t be taken as negating her black identity. I also think that as a general rule, men are more boxed into an identity than women, which also has some bearing here.
A common thread in a lot of left pubs that I don’t really care for (I’m looking at you Jacobin) is that Harris is simply another neo-liberal cog in the machine. Still, I feel like the issues raised by George Floyd’s execution are elided with the Harris pick because of her path. Is this indicative of the campaign’s take on BLM? Hell if I know, though if this bothers you, you may want to take a look at this article. But I think that the history of the Indian diaspora actually gives us some insight as to why Harris traveled the road she did.
Wikipedia is a good starting point with Indian Americans and I didn’t know about United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind.
Bhagat Singh Thind had come to the United States in 1913 for higher studies after obtaining a bachelor’s degree in India. He enlisted in the United States Army, became a Sergeant and served in the First World War. He was discharged honorably with his character designated as “excellent”. Thind was granted citizenship in Washington state in July 1918 but his citizenship was rescinded in just four days. He received his citizenship for the second time in Oregon state in November 1920 after the Bureau of Naturalization was unsuccessful in its efforts to stall it in Oregon court. The case then reached the Supreme Court, where Sakharam Ganesh Pandit, a California attorney and fellow immigrant, represented Thind.
The arguments offered on behalf of Thind were also interesting
Thind argued that Indo-Aryan languages are indigenous to the Aryan part of India in the same way that Aryan languages are indigenous to Europe, highlighting the linguistic ties between Indo-Aryan speakers and Europeans, as most European languages including English are similar to Indo-Aryan languages such as Hindi.
Since the Ozawa v. United States court case had just decided that the meaning of white people for the purposes of the Court were people who were members of the Caucasian race, Thind argued that he was a white person by arguing that he was a member of the Caucasian race. Thind argued using “a number of anthropological texts” that people in Punjab and other Northwestern Indian states belonged to the “Aryan race”, and Thind cited scientific authorities such as Johann Friedrich Blumenbach as classifying Aryans as belonging to the Caucasian race. Thind argued that, although some racial mixing did indeed occur between the Indian castes, the caste system had largely succeeded in India at preventing race-mixing. Thind argued that by being a “high-caste, of full Indian blood” he was a “Caucasian” according to the anthropological definitions of his day.
Thind’s lawyers argued that Thind had a revulsion to marrying an Indian woman of the “lower races” when they said, “The high-caste Hindu regards the aboriginal Indian Mongoloid in the same manner as the American regards the Negro, speaking from a matrimonial standpoint.” Thind’s lawyers argued that Thind had a revulsion to marrying a woman of the Mongoloid race. This would characterize Thind as being both white and someone who would be sympathetic to the existing anti-miscegenation laws in the United States.
Kuromatsu, it ain’t. Interestingly, Japanese-Americans are often touted as a model minority, but in some senses, Indo Americans would probably be a better example.
The population of Indo-Americans (also categorised as East Indians, Asian Indians and American Indians) in the US is 2.4 million, the second-largest immigrant group after Mexicans. It is also the most successful, with the median household income at $107,000 – almost twice that of American-born households. Indian immigrants are more likely to be enrolled in higher education, to participate in the labour force and twice as likely to be employed in management, business, science and the arts as the overall population.
And of course, there were the ‘Hindus for Trump‘, though the demographic is Democratic leaning. However, this conservative streak reminded me of this Guardian article explaining why British Indians are so prominent in the Conservative party.
So, when we talk about Harris’ path via law school and California Attorney General, I feel like it was determined in part by accomodation rather than reaction, more so than Obama’s path.
Some other links about Harris that might be of interest
Atlantic on how Harris represents a new democratic coalition
Harris is a demographic bridge between Biden and the modern Democratic Party, but she’s not nearly as much of an ideological bridge. Though she ran sharply to the left during the early stages of her unsteady presidential bid, her record, like Biden’s, is fundamentally moderate.
Forbes on conservative attempts to undercut Harris as a Black candidate
But some conservatives are piling on the criticism and have sought to refute claims that Harris would be the nation’s first African-American vice president and saying that her heritage does not trace back to slavery.
This article with some interesting details about the mixed race demographic and introduced me to the ADOS movement
The ADOS movement includes supporters as wide-ranging as Harvard philosophy professor Cornel West, who has said that it is giving working-class Black people a voice, and white conservative political commentator Ann Coulter. But the movement has many detractors, some of whom view it as divisive at best and xenophobic at worst. Others have argued that it ignores the long history of African Americans with immigrant roots, including black nationalist Marcus Garvey, who was Jamaican, and Nation of Islam leader Malcolm X, whose mother was Grenadian.
Here’s a dissection of West’s support of ADOS. Quick rule of thumb, if you are ever grouped with Ann Coulter, don’t walk, run to get out of that space.
The Guardian had a panel give responses, I like Jill Filipovic’s take, and this is a bit more detailed about the challenges that face women in general on the issues of crime and punishment
This NYTimes about Trump Jr’s quickly deleted tweet, which seems to indicate a level of panic with messaging.
“Don’s tweet was simply him asking if it was true that Kamala Harris was half-Indian because it’s not something he had ever heard before,” the spokesman, Andy Surabian, said at the time. He added that the tweet was deleted after it was recognized that followers were “misconstruing” its intent.
And an interesting note about Biden and Harris not graduating from Ivy League schools.
All these links are post selection, one thing to be careful about is to identify the articles that were raising issues with Harris during her presidential campaign. As shocked as all of you may find this, some people tend to makd arguments not because they believe them but because they want their supported candidate to win.
Anyway, a thread for your Kamala Harris thoughts.
Given how well targeted advertising works these days and how informationally bubbled especially the low information voters are, we will likely see a quite diverse approach at attacking her with no fear of blatant contradictions. There may be even groups that can be fooled that ‘Indian’ means ‘American Indian’ (and thus of course ineligible as per the clear intent of the founders). A two-pronged attack of ‘too black’ and ‘not black enough’ is already starting to materialize. First rehearsals for the cacophony for bullhorns and doghwhistles are getting prepared while we speak. Any bets when we will hear her called a hairy camel by some camapaign official?
Given how well targeted advertising works these days and how informationally bubbled especially the low information voters are, we will likely see a quite diverse approach at attacking her with no fear of blatant contradictions. There may be even groups that can be fooled that ‘Indian’ means ‘American Indian’ (and thus of course ineligible as per the clear intent of the founders). A two-pronged attack of ‘too black’ and ‘not black enough’ is already starting to materialize. First rehearsals for the cacophony for bullhorns and doghwhistles are getting prepared while we speak. Any bets when we will hear her called a hairy camel by some camapaign official?
A small aside, perhaps:
But some conservatives are piling on the criticism and have sought to refute claims that Harris would be the nation’s first African-American vice president and saying that her heritage does not trace back to slavery.
Harris’ father was a black Jamaican. It’s highly unlikely that her heritage does not trace back to slavery. It’s highly unlikely that the heritage of anyone in the Western Hemisphere with any African ancestry does not trace back to slavery.
Also as an aside, Harris’ father is, at first glance, an interesting guy.
United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind
I wonder if anyone has done any research on the caste identity of Indian immigrants to the US. And/or, how that plays into their apparent success as an immigrant community.
A small aside, perhaps:
But some conservatives are piling on the criticism and have sought to refute claims that Harris would be the nation’s first African-American vice president and saying that her heritage does not trace back to slavery.
Harris’ father was a black Jamaican. It’s highly unlikely that her heritage does not trace back to slavery. It’s highly unlikely that the heritage of anyone in the Western Hemisphere with any African ancestry does not trace back to slavery.
Also as an aside, Harris’ father is, at first glance, an interesting guy.
United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind
I wonder if anyone has done any research on the caste identity of Indian immigrants to the US. And/or, how that plays into their apparent success as an immigrant community.
It’s highly unlikely that the heritage of anyone in the Western Hemisphere with any African ancestry does not trace back to slavery.
That depends what you mean by ‘highly unlikely’. Africa is a large and diverse continent.
It’s highly unlikely that the heritage of anyone in the Western Hemisphere with any African ancestry does not trace back to slavery.
That depends what you mean by ‘highly unlikely’. Africa is a large and diverse continent.
But some conservatives are piling on the criticism and have sought to refute claims that Harris would be the nation’s first African-American vice president and saying that her heritage does not trace back to slavery.
ah yes, “conservatives” are quite good at doing deep genealogical studies of people in order to determine exactly the right level of scorn they deserve. the idea that conservatives make that determination from simple skin color alone is a persistent and pernicious myth.
But some conservatives are piling on the criticism and have sought to refute claims that Harris would be the nation’s first African-American vice president and saying that her heritage does not trace back to slavery.
ah yes, “conservatives” are quite good at doing deep genealogical studies of people in order to determine exactly the right level of scorn they deserve. the idea that conservatives make that determination from simple skin color alone is a persistent and pernicious myth.
ah yes, “conservatives” are quite good at doing deep genealogical studies of people in order to determine exactly the right level of scorn they deserve.
Got the order backwards.
FIRST they decide on the scorn, THEN they come up with the justifications.
Red Queens, the lot of them. In oh so many senses of those words.
ah yes, “conservatives” are quite good at doing deep genealogical studies of people in order to determine exactly the right level of scorn they deserve.
Got the order backwards.
FIRST they decide on the scorn, THEN they come up with the justifications.
Red Queens, the lot of them. In oh so many senses of those words.
Harris went to an HBCU and was in AKA.
She’s plenty black enough where it matters most: Black Women.
Harris went to an HBCU and was in AKA.
She’s plenty black enough where it matters most: Black Women.
While criticisms of Harris’ record as AG are not unwarranted, they should be put in context…
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/give-kamala-harris-break/615127/
While criticisms of Harris’ record as AG are not unwarranted, they should be put in context…
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/give-kamala-harris-break/615127/
And this should perhaps be played at campaign events ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s1fHtIVqiQ
And this should perhaps be played at campaign events ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s1fHtIVqiQ
Excellent post, lj.
“FIRST they decide on the scorn, THEN they come up with the justifications.”
Yes, by September, these ilk, because they are racist filth, will be going after Harris’s all-American melting pot constituent parts on a rotating tag-team basis.
She’s too everything and not enough of anything in their demon subhuman eyes.
The white part of her slept with a black man to get to the top, they will say; the black Jamaican part of her will build low-income housing in middle class neighborhoods (trump doubled down on that immediately after Harris was chosen) where our virginal housewives (even after marriage .. neat trick, that) will be fighting off those big strapping black bucks and those slavering little wetbacks, and the west-coast West Asian part of her will be an imported invasive species of unidentified yellow and brown peril which will justify closing all borders as tight as a conservative’s ass.
She will be Pocahontas’ fat black slatternly sister.
Her ancestry will be traced back to Willie Horton, Angela Davis, Nat Turner, the Central Park Five, Mao Mao voudou priest Dutty Boukman, Granny Nanny, Queen of the Maroons, George Soros’ commie, pro-Nazi liberal Jewess, and Jiang Qing ready to loose canceling cultural revolution on Pat Buchanan’s fat Aryan ass.
When they get done, she’ll be both Emmett Till and the KKK who beat and lynched him to death.
Crypto-Christian bigot Dreher already has her buttonholed as Sister Woke, and reliably racist and wet diapered tomboy Tucker Carlson’s every word about her spells choke hold.
Alex Jones will eat his neighbors if they vote for her:
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Alex%20Jones%22&src=trend_click
She can handle it.
I hope her armed bodyguards can too.
Excellent post, lj.
“FIRST they decide on the scorn, THEN they come up with the justifications.”
Yes, by September, these ilk, because they are racist filth, will be going after Harris’s all-American melting pot constituent parts on a rotating tag-team basis.
She’s too everything and not enough of anything in their demon subhuman eyes.
The white part of her slept with a black man to get to the top, they will say; the black Jamaican part of her will build low-income housing in middle class neighborhoods (trump doubled down on that immediately after Harris was chosen) where our virginal housewives (even after marriage .. neat trick, that) will be fighting off those big strapping black bucks and those slavering little wetbacks, and the west-coast West Asian part of her will be an imported invasive species of unidentified yellow and brown peril which will justify closing all borders as tight as a conservative’s ass.
She will be Pocahontas’ fat black slatternly sister.
Her ancestry will be traced back to Willie Horton, Angela Davis, Nat Turner, the Central Park Five, Mao Mao voudou priest Dutty Boukman, Granny Nanny, Queen of the Maroons, George Soros’ commie, pro-Nazi liberal Jewess, and Jiang Qing ready to loose canceling cultural revolution on Pat Buchanan’s fat Aryan ass.
When they get done, she’ll be both Emmett Till and the KKK who beat and lynched him to death.
Crypto-Christian bigot Dreher already has her buttonholed as Sister Woke, and reliably racist and wet diapered tomboy Tucker Carlson’s every word about her spells choke hold.
Alex Jones will eat his neighbors if they vote for her:
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Alex%20Jones%22&src=trend_click
She can handle it.
I hope her armed bodyguards can too.
russell: It’s highly unlikely that the heritage of anyone in the Western Hemisphere with any African ancestry does not trace back to slavery.
Pro Bono: That depends what you mean by ‘highly unlikely’. Africa is a large and diverse continent.
I’m guessing russell, though he didn’t make it explicit, was referring to anyone in the Western Hemisphere with any African (sub-Saharan African, more specifically) ancestry and whose family has been in the Western Hemisphere for a long time (i.e. not known to be descended from recent immigrants from Africa). For someone who’s of mixed race, recent immigrants not from Africa wouldn’t matter (or even, mixed race or not, from Africa if those immigrants weren’t the only source of African ancestry).
In other words, if you have any sub-Saharan African ancestry from people who have lived in the Western Hemisphere for many generations, you are very likely descended from people who were slaves in the Americas.
To Pro Bono’s point about Africa being a large and diverse continent, if you have any sub-Saharan African ancestry from people who have lived in the Western Hemisphere for many generations, your African ancestry will be mostly West African. Less likely (or just less of it) from a place like Kenya.
[IIRC, Barack Obama was descended from the first African slave brought to what is now the US, but that was through his white mother.]
russell: It’s highly unlikely that the heritage of anyone in the Western Hemisphere with any African ancestry does not trace back to slavery.
Pro Bono: That depends what you mean by ‘highly unlikely’. Africa is a large and diverse continent.
I’m guessing russell, though he didn’t make it explicit, was referring to anyone in the Western Hemisphere with any African (sub-Saharan African, more specifically) ancestry and whose family has been in the Western Hemisphere for a long time (i.e. not known to be descended from recent immigrants from Africa). For someone who’s of mixed race, recent immigrants not from Africa wouldn’t matter (or even, mixed race or not, from Africa if those immigrants weren’t the only source of African ancestry).
In other words, if you have any sub-Saharan African ancestry from people who have lived in the Western Hemisphere for many generations, you are very likely descended from people who were slaves in the Americas.
To Pro Bono’s point about Africa being a large and diverse continent, if you have any sub-Saharan African ancestry from people who have lived in the Western Hemisphere for many generations, your African ancestry will be mostly West African. Less likely (or just less of it) from a place like Kenya.
[IIRC, Barack Obama was descended from the first African slave brought to what is now the US, but that was through his white mother.]
That depends what you mean by ‘highly unlikely’. Africa is a large and diverse continent.
That’s a very good point, and there are a lot of people in the Western Hemisphere whose background is African, but who don’t count slaves among their ancestors. It’s common for people to assume that African means sub-Saharan West African, and that’s not always so.
Something like 10 or 12 million black sub-Saharan Africans were brought to the Americas as slaves over the course of about 350 years. To my knowledge, that dwarfs immigration to the Western Hemisphere by any other African population. The number of people just in the US who claim ancestry from sub-Saharan Africans brought here as slaves is something like 40 million, and the number of people brought to the US as slaves is a small fraction of those brought to South America and the Caribbean.
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty confident that my original comment upthread is accurate.
That depends what you mean by ‘highly unlikely’. Africa is a large and diverse continent.
That’s a very good point, and there are a lot of people in the Western Hemisphere whose background is African, but who don’t count slaves among their ancestors. It’s common for people to assume that African means sub-Saharan West African, and that’s not always so.
Something like 10 or 12 million black sub-Saharan Africans were brought to the Americas as slaves over the course of about 350 years. To my knowledge, that dwarfs immigration to the Western Hemisphere by any other African population. The number of people just in the US who claim ancestry from sub-Saharan Africans brought here as slaves is something like 40 million, and the number of people brought to the US as slaves is a small fraction of those brought to South America and the Caribbean.
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty confident that my original comment upthread is accurate.
I’m waiting, with bated breath, for Harris to be accused in a similar way to Obama, that he was black-ish rather than black
Well some on the far-right are already making the argument that, like Obama, she isn’t eligible because, in her case, her parents were immigrants. It’s a step beyond the birthers: they aren’t claiming she wasn’t born here, but that immigrant parents somehow overrides the Constitution’s exact words.
But then, the most notable feature of the initial reaction was how scattershot the Trump campaign and GOP reaction was.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/republican-attacks-kamala-analysis/index.html
Including claiming both that she was too far left and going to abolish the police AND that she was too tough on criminals and too supportive of the police. And note that the latter wasn’t a progressive critique.
Gosh, you’d think they’d been blindsided by a surprise pick.
I’m waiting, with bated breath, for Harris to be accused in a similar way to Obama, that he was black-ish rather than black
Well some on the far-right are already making the argument that, like Obama, she isn’t eligible because, in her case, her parents were immigrants. It’s a step beyond the birthers: they aren’t claiming she wasn’t born here, but that immigrant parents somehow overrides the Constitution’s exact words.
But then, the most notable feature of the initial reaction was how scattershot the Trump campaign and GOP reaction was.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/republican-attacks-kamala-analysis/index.html
Including claiming both that she was too far left and going to abolish the police AND that she was too tough on criminals and too supportive of the police. And note that the latter wasn’t a progressive critique.
Gosh, you’d think they’d been blindsided by a surprise pick.
I was at best tangentially aware of Harris’ Indian ancestry.
I had no idea how prominent it was in her upbringing and sense of self, until I watched a few YouTube videos. Especially the one with Mindy Kaling, where the two of them are in Mindy’s kitchen cooking masala dosa (filmed during Harris’ Presidential run). A thoroughly adorable video, BTW, which I highly recommend.
Harris, to me at least, embodies the best of the “the melting pot” American ideal.
She was my first choice for President, and I am thrilled Biden picked her as his Veep.
I was at best tangentially aware of Harris’ Indian ancestry.
I had no idea how prominent it was in her upbringing and sense of self, until I watched a few YouTube videos. Especially the one with Mindy Kaling, where the two of them are in Mindy’s kitchen cooking masala dosa (filmed during Harris’ Presidential run). A thoroughly adorable video, BTW, which I highly recommend.
Harris, to me at least, embodies the best of the “the melting pot” American ideal.
She was my first choice for President, and I am thrilled Biden picked her as his Veep.
Harris, to me at least, embodies the best of the “the melting pot” American ideal.
It’s definitely nice to see the melting pot being so prominent in our political lives. Obama, and now Harris.
Harris, to me at least, embodies the best of the “the melting pot” American ideal.
It’s definitely nice to see the melting pot being so prominent in our political lives. Obama, and now Harris.
Re: the melting pot
From Louise Erdrich’s The Antelope Wife (this is a character’s thought train, not to be confused with Erdrich’s considered opinion, about which I am not clued in):
As one of those two-souled warriors, I appreciate the naming of the phenomenon and envy people like Harris who manage to blend their tributary streams into something harmonious. [In case anyone is unfamiliar with Erdrich, “Indian” in this context means Native American, not Indian-from-India.]
Re: the melting pot
From Louise Erdrich’s The Antelope Wife (this is a character’s thought train, not to be confused with Erdrich’s considered opinion, about which I am not clued in):
As one of those two-souled warriors, I appreciate the naming of the phenomenon and envy people like Harris who manage to blend their tributary streams into something harmonious. [In case anyone is unfamiliar with Erdrich, “Indian” in this context means Native American, not Indian-from-India.]
Something like 10 or 12 million black sub-Saharan Africans were brought to the Americas as slaves over the course of about 350 years. To my knowledge, that dwarfs immigration to the Western Hemisphere by any other African population.
The first and second generation African immigrant population of France alone is about 5 million.
Something like 10 or 12 million black sub-Saharan Africans were brought to the Americas as slaves over the course of about 350 years. To my knowledge, that dwarfs immigration to the Western Hemisphere by any other African population.
The first and second generation African immigrant population of France alone is about 5 million.
Even with some consolidation, I’m probably something like a five-souled warrior. :^o
Even with some consolidation, I’m probably something like a five-souled warrior. :^o
France?
France?
From a Guardian link in lj’s post, I was astonished to read that:
on an ideological scale, Harris ranks as the second-most progressive senator, behind Warren but ahead of Sanders.
I checked it out, and apparently it’s true on the voting record. The link is:
https://voteview.com/person/41701/kamala-devi-harris
I guess it says more about the other Dem senators, in a way, than it does about Harris, and how far attitudes in a substantial part of the population have been moving ahead of the legislators. Anyway, I found it rather hearteninng.
From a Guardian link in lj’s post, I was astonished to read that:
on an ideological scale, Harris ranks as the second-most progressive senator, behind Warren but ahead of Sanders.
I checked it out, and apparently it’s true on the voting record. The link is:
https://voteview.com/person/41701/kamala-devi-harris
I guess it says more about the other Dem senators, in a way, than it does about Harris, and how far attitudes in a substantial part of the population have been moving ahead of the legislators. Anyway, I found it rather hearteninng.
Even with some consolidation, I’m probably something like a five-souled warrior. :^o
Right there with you, hsh. And if the truth could be known, I’m sure it’s not all down to ethnic mixing. 😉
Even with some consolidation, I’m probably something like a five-souled warrior. :^o
Right there with you, hsh. And if the truth could be known, I’m sure it’s not all down to ethnic mixing. 😉
if the truth could be known, I’m sure it’s not all down to ethnic mixing.
I blame the colleges. Young people with raging hormones, away from home for the first time, and exposed to lots of others from who knows where. Leading to Obama and Harris, among many others.
if the truth could be known, I’m sure it’s not all down to ethnic mixing.
I blame the colleges. Young people with raging hormones, away from home for the first time, and exposed to lots of others from who knows where. Leading to Obama and Harris, among many others.
The first and second generation African immigrant population of France alone is about 5 million.
Not to derail this into a tangent about African emigration, but the European history with Africa is different from that of the Americas.
Not necessarily better or worse, but different.
Overall, the point I was making was that claims that Harris’ ancestors were unlikely to be slaves because her father is a (partially) black man from Jamaica are… unlikely. Because of the history of black Africans in the Western Hemisphere generally, and certainly in the Caribbean.
I could certainly be wrong about all of that, and it’s not a point I’m highly invested in. It’s just a point that seems obvious, to me.
The first and second generation African immigrant population of France alone is about 5 million.
Not to derail this into a tangent about African emigration, but the European history with Africa is different from that of the Americas.
Not necessarily better or worse, but different.
Overall, the point I was making was that claims that Harris’ ancestors were unlikely to be slaves because her father is a (partially) black man from Jamaica are… unlikely. Because of the history of black Africans in the Western Hemisphere generally, and certainly in the Caribbean.
I could certainly be wrong about all of that, and it’s not a point I’m highly invested in. It’s just a point that seems obvious, to me.
I blame the colleges.
Maybe that’s a joke, but if it isn’t, it’s a vast oversimplification, and certainly anachronistic for the era when my parents met at their place of employment.
I blame the colleges.
Maybe that’s a joke, but if it isn’t, it’s a vast oversimplification, and certainly anachronistic for the era when my parents met at their place of employment.
Absolutely it’s a joke
Absolutely it’s a joke
Russell, I’m sure you’re right about the Caribbean.
Russell, I’m sure you’re right about the Caribbean.
Somehow I got on Harris’s e-mail list early on. Shortly before Christmas last year there was an e-mail that said it would be last one for a few days while everyone was coping with the various holidays. It was somewhat lengthy and referred to all of her Jamaican father, her Indian mother, their degrees, her husband (born elsewhere and moved to California), and the kids. She mentioned she was looking forward to their traditional Christmas dinner: enchiladas made from her mother’s recipe.
I remember thinking “a perfectly ordinary family from any major metro area in the American West.”
Somehow I got on Harris’s e-mail list early on. Shortly before Christmas last year there was an e-mail that said it would be last one for a few days while everyone was coping with the various holidays. It was somewhat lengthy and referred to all of her Jamaican father, her Indian mother, their degrees, her husband (born elsewhere and moved to California), and the kids. She mentioned she was looking forward to their traditional Christmas dinner: enchiladas made from her mother’s recipe.
I remember thinking “a perfectly ordinary family from any major metro area in the American West.”
I remember thinking “a perfectly ordinary family from any major metro area in the American West.”
Yeah, pretty much. I mean, we generally end up with homemade sushi for Christmas dinner. But the principle is the same.
I remember thinking “a perfectly ordinary family from any major metro area in the American West.”
Yeah, pretty much. I mean, we generally end up with homemade sushi for Christmas dinner. But the principle is the same.
a perfectly ordinary family from any major metro area in the American West.
:: thumbs up ::
United colors of Benetton, my friends. It’s what made this country great. It’s the source of our vitality. It’s our future.
Let’s have people in the White House who come from so many ethnic, racial, and geographic backgrounds that it just doesn’t matter anymore. Accomplished, intelligent people, people who have achieved something besides grabbing all the cookies they could get their hands on.
Let’s have a Jamaican / South Indian woman who is married to a white Jew from Brooklyn as VPOTUS. Maybe POTUS next time.
That is what will really make America great again.
a perfectly ordinary family from any major metro area in the American West.
:: thumbs up ::
United colors of Benetton, my friends. It’s what made this country great. It’s the source of our vitality. It’s our future.
Let’s have people in the White House who come from so many ethnic, racial, and geographic backgrounds that it just doesn’t matter anymore. Accomplished, intelligent people, people who have achieved something besides grabbing all the cookies they could get their hands on.
Let’s have a Jamaican / South Indian woman who is married to a white Jew from Brooklyn as VPOTUS. Maybe POTUS next time.
That is what will really make America great again.
Russell, I’m sure you’re right about the Caribbean.
And you are right about the range and variety of people and cultures in the enormous continent of Africa.
Everything under the sun.
Russell, I’m sure you’re right about the Caribbean.
And you are right about the range and variety of people and cultures in the enormous continent of Africa.
Everything under the sun.
Further to my previous comment about KH’s history in the senate, I guess it’s too much to hope that the Trump campaign’s response to her is the way they mean to continue. With a subject line reading Kamala is HORRIBLE!, the fundraising email sent out to Trump supporters reads:
Kamala Harris is the meanest, most horrible, most disrespectful, MOST LIBERAL of anyone in the US Senate, and I cannot believe that Joe Biden would pick her as his running mate.
Understandably, many people (I would do a small superscript TM to signify “trademark”, if I knew how) suspected this wasn’t genuine. As of now, apparently it was. But history teaches us not to assume that we can be sure of how these sorts of things are received by their target audience….
Further to my previous comment about KH’s history in the senate, I guess it’s too much to hope that the Trump campaign’s response to her is the way they mean to continue. With a subject line reading Kamala is HORRIBLE!, the fundraising email sent out to Trump supporters reads:
Kamala Harris is the meanest, most horrible, most disrespectful, MOST LIBERAL of anyone in the US Senate, and I cannot believe that Joe Biden would pick her as his running mate.
Understandably, many people (I would do a small superscript TM to signify “trademark”, if I knew how) suspected this wasn’t genuine. As of now, apparently it was. But history teaches us not to assume that we can be sure of how these sorts of things are received by their target audience….
Kamala Harris is the meanest, most horrible, most disrespectful, MOST LIBERAL of anyone in the US Senate
Regardless of how it plays with its target audience, perhaps it will help persuade some progressives who don’t think she’s liberal enough. 🙂
Kamala Harris is the meanest, most horrible, most disrespectful, MOST LIBERAL of anyone in the US Senate
Regardless of how it plays with its target audience, perhaps it will help persuade some progressives who don’t think she’s liberal enough. 🙂
… the most notable feature of the initial reaction was how scattershot the Trump campaign and GOP reaction was..
This is perhaps the most amusing.
Howard Kurtz: Kamala Harris ‘getting walk on water coverage’ by media after VP pick
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/511885-howard-kurtz-kamala-harris-getting-walk-on-water-coverage-by-media-after-vp
Those media bastards.
… the most notable feature of the initial reaction was how scattershot the Trump campaign and GOP reaction was..
This is perhaps the most amusing.
Howard Kurtz: Kamala Harris ‘getting walk on water coverage’ by media after VP pick
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/511885-howard-kurtz-kamala-harris-getting-walk-on-water-coverage-by-media-after-vp
Those media bastards.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/08/the-wikipedia-war-over-kamala-harris-race/615250/
What a subhuman world technology, social media, and right wing filth have made of our lives.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/08/the-wikipedia-war-over-kamala-harris-race/615250/
What a subhuman world technology, social media, and right wing filth have made of our lives.
Dig him up and drive a stake through his shriveled republican subhuman heart and stuff his mouth with salt.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/herman-cain-tweets-two-weeks-after-his-death-to-attack-democrats/ar-BB17VCCV?ocid=uxbndlbing
He’s vandalizing Harris’ life, her campaign, and a Presidential election from his crypt.
Vandalize his grave site.
When he is dug up, wear gloves and a spacesuit, because these conservative movement superspreaders’ corpses are crawling with the Covid-19 virus, just like the live items and their infected children ruining public education and trying to kill public school teachers.
These monsters will stop at nothing but a head shot.
Dig him up and drive a stake through his shriveled republican subhuman heart and stuff his mouth with salt.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/herman-cain-tweets-two-weeks-after-his-death-to-attack-democrats/ar-BB17VCCV?ocid=uxbndlbing
He’s vandalizing Harris’ life, her campaign, and a Presidential election from his crypt.
Vandalize his grave site.
When he is dug up, wear gloves and a spacesuit, because these conservative movement superspreaders’ corpses are crawling with the Covid-19 virus, just like the live items and their infected children ruining public education and trying to kill public school teachers.
These monsters will stop at nothing but a head shot.
Heads up, all y’all: you’ve probably already heard Trump state openly that he’s refusing to fund the USPS for the express purpose of sabotaging the vote in November.
Ted Lieu has tweeted that the House can’t do anything about it: all roads go through POTUS and/or the Senate. Here is what he says we need to do if we’re voting by mail:
VOTE EARLY. No later than October 22, to give the USPS time to process your ballot.
BETTER: Vote early and USE A DROP-BOX. Avoid using USPS if you can.
BETTER STILL: Vote early and TAKE YOUR BALLOT IN PERSON TO THE ELECTION BOARD OFFICE. If you can.
If all else fails, and in person voting is an option, put on your Hazmat suit, pack a meal or two, and go vote in person.
Please spread the word.
We need to be rid of this traitorous trash.
Heads up, all y’all: you’ve probably already heard Trump state openly that he’s refusing to fund the USPS for the express purpose of sabotaging the vote in November.
Ted Lieu has tweeted that the House can’t do anything about it: all roads go through POTUS and/or the Senate. Here is what he says we need to do if we’re voting by mail:
VOTE EARLY. No later than October 22, to give the USPS time to process your ballot.
BETTER: Vote early and USE A DROP-BOX. Avoid using USPS if you can.
BETTER STILL: Vote early and TAKE YOUR BALLOT IN PERSON TO THE ELECTION BOARD OFFICE. If you can.
If all else fails, and in person voting is an option, put on your Hazmat suit, pack a meal or two, and go vote in person.
Please spread the word.
We need to be rid of this traitorous trash.
What a subhuman world technology, social media, and right wing filth have made of our lives.
While true, you really should give some credit to the yeoman efforts of the Russian government in pushing, and frequently originating, the lies that get spread around the right wing media machine. Our native nutcases really aren’t creative/bright enough to come up with a lot of this nonsense.
What a subhuman world technology, social media, and right wing filth have made of our lives.
While true, you really should give some credit to the yeoman efforts of the Russian government in pushing, and frequently originating, the lies that get spread around the right wing media machine. Our native nutcases really aren’t creative/bright enough to come up with a lot of this nonsense.
We have already sworn to drop off our mail-in ballots at the local polling place. It will be staffed almost entirely by university faculty spouses and subject to no shenanigans. Failing that, it’s the local seniors facility where they still talk about how nice it is to see young people voting. We may risk the face time just to hear that. It’s been years now since anyone carded me for buying alcohol.
We have already sworn to drop off our mail-in ballots at the local polling place. It will be staffed almost entirely by university faculty spouses and subject to no shenanigans. Failing that, it’s the local seniors facility where they still talk about how nice it is to see young people voting. We may risk the face time just to hear that. It’s been years now since anyone carded me for buying alcohol.
We always return them by drop box. And three days later I check online to make sure the ballots have been collected and processed without problems.
We have the advantage that the bulk of the sorting for the Front Range urban corridor here in Colorado is done at one of the monster distribution centers that runs 24 hours a day. Counties deliver pallets of mostly pre-sorted ballots there. To screw things up enough to create significant delays in delivery to voters means screwing up delivery of regular mail affecting multiple states, some with two Republican Senators. So far as I can tell, Trump hasn’t quite got to the point where he’s willing to say “Fnck the businesses in the red states.”
We always return them by drop box. And three days later I check online to make sure the ballots have been collected and processed without problems.
We have the advantage that the bulk of the sorting for the Front Range urban corridor here in Colorado is done at one of the monster distribution centers that runs 24 hours a day. Counties deliver pallets of mostly pre-sorted ballots there. To screw things up enough to create significant delays in delivery to voters means screwing up delivery of regular mail affecting multiple states, some with two Republican Senators. So far as I can tell, Trump hasn’t quite got to the point where he’s willing to say “Fnck the businesses in the red states.”
Kamala Harris strikes a lot of people and not just me as someone who is a weathervane. She gives in to pressure. She waffles. She is for M4A and then she is against it. But if pressured from the left, that could be a good thing. Cori Bush in the NYT today had the right idea, in my opinion. Too lazy to link.
She’s been bad on foreign policy, but again, maybe she can be pressured. She eventually turned against the war in Yemen around when the other Democrats did (after Khashoggi). She is an absolute joke on Israel. I find this interview from June 2019 hilarious in its hypocrisy–
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/israel-human-rights-democratic-candidates.html
The other candidates understand the question to be about the Palestinians–Harris with her AIPAC ties pretends not to understand what the question is about.
I don’t like Biden or Harris. But the Democrats want to give unemployed people 600 a week while the Republicans oppose this on the grounds that it will keep them from working since it is more than many people make. Which is nonsense since there aren’t enough jobs, but what does that say about our country that 600 a week is actually an improvement for many people? That oh so horrible lefty rag Jacobin had a moving piece about that the other day. The Democrats recognize that global warming is a real and catastrophic problem. The Republicans don’t. So those two issues by themselves would be enough to get me to support Biden-Harris. And there are other reasons as well.
Kamala Harris strikes a lot of people and not just me as someone who is a weathervane. She gives in to pressure. She waffles. She is for M4A and then she is against it. But if pressured from the left, that could be a good thing. Cori Bush in the NYT today had the right idea, in my opinion. Too lazy to link.
She’s been bad on foreign policy, but again, maybe she can be pressured. She eventually turned against the war in Yemen around when the other Democrats did (after Khashoggi). She is an absolute joke on Israel. I find this interview from June 2019 hilarious in its hypocrisy–
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/israel-human-rights-democratic-candidates.html
The other candidates understand the question to be about the Palestinians–Harris with her AIPAC ties pretends not to understand what the question is about.
I don’t like Biden or Harris. But the Democrats want to give unemployed people 600 a week while the Republicans oppose this on the grounds that it will keep them from working since it is more than many people make. Which is nonsense since there aren’t enough jobs, but what does that say about our country that 600 a week is actually an improvement for many people? That oh so horrible lefty rag Jacobin had a moving piece about that the other day. The Democrats recognize that global warming is a real and catastrophic problem. The Republicans don’t. So those two issues by themselves would be enough to get me to support Biden-Harris. And there are other reasons as well.
600 a week
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/08/cares-act-coronavirus-unemployment-benefits-democrats
600 a week
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/08/cares-act-coronavirus-unemployment-benefits-democrats
Harris is the best that we could hope to get elected without dragging down Biden. Warren would have lost a bunch of the midwest. Klobuchar would have lost a lot of the minority vote, having been quite law & order as AG. Rice would have been Benghazi’d 24 hours of the day on the right wing news.
I’m under no illusions that any of the more lefty concerns that move me have a hope in hell of seeing improvement in the near future, so I’m hoping to rejoin the Paris Accord, restore the EPA, and let RBG retire.
Harris is the best that we could hope to get elected without dragging down Biden. Warren would have lost a bunch of the midwest. Klobuchar would have lost a lot of the minority vote, having been quite law & order as AG. Rice would have been Benghazi’d 24 hours of the day on the right wing news.
I’m under no illusions that any of the more lefty concerns that move me have a hope in hell of seeing improvement in the near future, so I’m hoping to rejoin the Paris Accord, restore the EPA, and let RBG retire.
Warren would have lost a bunch of the midwest.
Based on the long-term trends and the 2016 results, would she have lost Minnesota or Illinois? Because those are the grand total of EC votes that Clinton got out of the Midwest.
Warren would have lost a bunch of the midwest.
Based on the long-term trends and the 2016 results, would she have lost Minnesota or Illinois? Because those are the grand total of EC votes that Clinton got out of the Midwest.
Going to Jacobin, you get this nice ad for this
https://www.jacobinmag.com/store/product/67
How do you move forward if you are locked in the past? But I guess those books don’t sell themselves…
If folks are worried about Biden, there is this
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/13/21257078/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-joint-unity-task-forces-democratic-policy
and this
https://www.newyorker.com/news/campaign-chronicles/a-preview-of-how-a-biden-white-house-might-make-policy
and this
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/07/08/sanders-biden-camps-reach-compromise-with-new-policy-recommendations/#5b0ccf2f11be
The last link has this
Despite his and Sanders’s efforts, however, some progressive activists still remain wary of Biden’s candidacy. “If I am to accept him as being a transformative leader, then I need to see evidence of his own transformation, and I haven’t,” LaTosha Brown, head of the civil rights group Black Voters Matter, told the Washington Post.
well…
https://blackvotersmatterfund.org/news/joe-biden-got-it-right/
Going to Jacobin, you get this nice ad for this
https://www.jacobinmag.com/store/product/67
How do you move forward if you are locked in the past? But I guess those books don’t sell themselves…
If folks are worried about Biden, there is this
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/13/21257078/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-joint-unity-task-forces-democratic-policy
and this
https://www.newyorker.com/news/campaign-chronicles/a-preview-of-how-a-biden-white-house-might-make-policy
and this
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/07/08/sanders-biden-camps-reach-compromise-with-new-policy-recommendations/#5b0ccf2f11be
The last link has this
Despite his and Sanders’s efforts, however, some progressive activists still remain wary of Biden’s candidacy. “If I am to accept him as being a transformative leader, then I need to see evidence of his own transformation, and I haven’t,” LaTosha Brown, head of the civil rights group Black Voters Matter, told the Washington Post.
well…
https://blackvotersmatterfund.org/news/joe-biden-got-it-right/
Based on the long-term trends and the 2016 results, would she have lost Minnesota or Illinois?
No, but I think she would have kept WI from going blue and put NE2 out of reach, as well, and she would have scared voters in MN and IL for their downballot choices.
Based on the long-term trends and the 2016 results, would she have lost Minnesota or Illinois?
No, but I think she would have kept WI from going blue and put NE2 out of reach, as well, and she would have scared voters in MN and IL for their downballot choices.
Kamala Harris strikes a lot of people and not just me as someone who is a weathervane
Ham sandwich.
I just don’t care about (D) purity anymore. Get the orange mf’er and his posse of kleptocratic lampreys out of the White House, and then we can take it from there.
Really, in terms of public life and politics I only see two priorities from now until November:
1. Get Trump the hell out of the White House
2. Establish a (D) majority in both houses of Congress
Probably in that order, but whatever. Just freaking get it done. Absent that, the rest is just a lot of noise.
It’s that, or a lot of us are gonna have to step up and start getting in the way. Which is going to be hard, for a lot of people. Like, jail and beatings hard. They’ll make it hard, and they’ll enjoy making it hard.
I see no other options.
Kamala Harris strikes a lot of people and not just me as someone who is a weathervane
Ham sandwich.
I just don’t care about (D) purity anymore. Get the orange mf’er and his posse of kleptocratic lampreys out of the White House, and then we can take it from there.
Really, in terms of public life and politics I only see two priorities from now until November:
1. Get Trump the hell out of the White House
2. Establish a (D) majority in both houses of Congress
Probably in that order, but whatever. Just freaking get it done. Absent that, the rest is just a lot of noise.
It’s that, or a lot of us are gonna have to step up and start getting in the way. Which is going to be hard, for a lot of people. Like, jail and beatings hard. They’ll make it hard, and they’ll enjoy making it hard.
I see no other options.
Kamala Harris strikes a lot of people and not just me as someone who is a weathervane.
Of course. There are, after all, only two kinds of politicians:
1) those who are unfailingly ideologically pure. And rarely accomplish anything . . . except for driving away those who might have been persuaded to embrace some of their positions.
2) weathervanes. Who actually are interested in governing rather than just posturing.
Sure, Harris isn’t a pure enough liberal for some. Nobody Biden could have picked would have been liberal enough — every one of them has, at some point, had the good sense to take half a loaf rather than accomplish nothing. Every one of them has taken a position on something that folks like Donald would object to. Inevitable.
Just like Harris isn’t “black enough” for some. Pretty much anyone whose ancestors were slaves here has some white ancestors as well as black ones. Slaveholders behaved that way. So anyone can be faulted either for being “not black enough” or for not having ancestors who were slaves — since only those who came from Africa in the last couple generations have a chance of having 100% ancestors.
Sometimes I think that the far left is dedicated to helping the far right, rather than actually advancing the positions they proclaim.
Kamala Harris strikes a lot of people and not just me as someone who is a weathervane.
Of course. There are, after all, only two kinds of politicians:
1) those who are unfailingly ideologically pure. And rarely accomplish anything . . . except for driving away those who might have been persuaded to embrace some of their positions.
2) weathervanes. Who actually are interested in governing rather than just posturing.
Sure, Harris isn’t a pure enough liberal for some. Nobody Biden could have picked would have been liberal enough — every one of them has, at some point, had the good sense to take half a loaf rather than accomplish nothing. Every one of them has taken a position on something that folks like Donald would object to. Inevitable.
Just like Harris isn’t “black enough” for some. Pretty much anyone whose ancestors were slaves here has some white ancestors as well as black ones. Slaveholders behaved that way. So anyone can be faulted either for being “not black enough” or for not having ancestors who were slaves — since only those who came from Africa in the last couple generations have a chance of having 100% ancestors.
Sometimes I think that the far left is dedicated to helping the far right, rather than actually advancing the positions they proclaim.
in terms of public life and politics I only see two priorities from now until November:
1. Get Trump the hell out of the White House
2. Establish a (D) majority in both houses of Congress
Probably in that order,
Given Trump’s enthusiasm for simply ignoring Congress when it doesn’t do as he wishes, or tries to force him to do something (even just respond to subpoenas), absolutely in that order.
in terms of public life and politics I only see two priorities from now until November:
1. Get Trump the hell out of the White House
2. Establish a (D) majority in both houses of Congress
Probably in that order,
Given Trump’s enthusiasm for simply ignoring Congress when it doesn’t do as he wishes, or tries to force him to do something (even just respond to subpoenas), absolutely in that order.
Well, that didn’t take long
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/13/902362014/trump-and-his-campaign-amplify-birther-conspiracy-against-kamala-harris?ft=nprml&f=
Well, that didn’t take long
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/13/902362014/trump-and-his-campaign-amplify-birther-conspiracy-against-kamala-harris?ft=nprml&f=
So, just a thought. Sen Harris would be likely to be one of the very most liberal Senators. Even Bernie has a Vermont view of guns I believe.
As the Sen from California there is essentially no downside in being liberal.
So, just a thought. Sen Harris would be likely to be one of the very most liberal Senators. Even Bernie has a Vermont view of guns I believe.
As the Sen from California there is essentially no downside in being liberal.
As the Sen from California there is essentially no downside in being liberal.
If you think Senator (from California) Feinstein is a real liberal, you clearly haven’t been talking to many liberals. 😉
As the Sen from California there is essentially no downside in being liberal.
If you think Senator (from California) Feinstein is a real liberal, you clearly haven’t been talking to many liberals. 😉
Oooo, a Matt Welch/Reason hot
dumptake!https://reason.com/2020/08/13/you-dont-have-to-vote-for-your-partys-crappy-ticket/
Oooo, a Matt Welch/Reason hot
dumptake!https://reason.com/2020/08/13/you-dont-have-to-vote-for-your-partys-crappy-ticket/
Except Welch doesn’t say what to do if you despise his candidate even more than the major party candidates. OK his gal meets the “ham sandwich” threshold compared to Trump. But only barely — she’d probably be about as bad as Trump, just without the crude language. And the “government is evil” parts of the GOP would enable her just as enthusiastically.
The mind boggles at someone characterizing the US government’s response to covid-19 as “authoritarian”. Like, we’ve all noticed how the Trump administration has been micromanaging the states’ efforts at every turn and making everything a Federal responsibility. Riiiiight!
Except Welch doesn’t say what to do if you despise his candidate even more than the major party candidates. OK his gal meets the “ham sandwich” threshold compared to Trump. But only barely — she’d probably be about as bad as Trump, just without the crude language. And the “government is evil” parts of the GOP would enable her just as enthusiastically.
The mind boggles at someone characterizing the US government’s response to covid-19 as “authoritarian”. Like, we’ve all noticed how the Trump administration has been micromanaging the states’ efforts at every turn and making everything a Federal responsibility. Riiiiight!
I’m pretty sure I didn’t mention Feinstein at all. Or that how liberal she is (19th in the Senate, middle of the pack Democrat) has fuck all to do with what I said about Harris.
She’s the most liberal Senator.
There is little downside to being liberal in California.
I’m pretty sure I didn’t mention Feinstein at all. Or that how liberal she is (19th in the Senate, middle of the pack Democrat) has fuck all to do with what I said about Harris.
She’s the most liberal Senator.
There is little downside to being liberal in California.
i’m shocked that the GOP would find something about Biden’s pick to be upset about. so suhprized. i might just faint.
i’m shocked that the GOP would find something about Biden’s pick to be upset about. so suhprized. i might just faint.
GftNC™, here, let me Snarkisplain this. (assuming it works).
You put a &, then “trade;”. There’s a bunch more html similar things. Google™ will help you find them.
GftNC™, here, let me Snarkisplain this. (assuming it works).
You put a &, then “trade;”. There’s a bunch more html similar things. Google™ will help you find them.
Snarkexplanation&trade, my very favourite kind!
Snarkexplanation&trade, my very favourite kind!
Rats! And I tried many different variants, too. Oh well.
Rats! And I tried many different variants, too. Oh well.
Harris as most liberal Senator. Or not.
Harris as most liberal Senator. Or not.
FWIW, I also tried with p and sup.
russell, thanks for that link. It illustrates why I was so astonished to hear her called particularly liberal.
FWIW, I also tried with p and sup.
russell, thanks for that link. It illustrates why I was so astonished to hear her called particularly liberal.
Or maybe she is. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article244908657.html
In her freshman year she was the most liberal freshman, too.
I’m confused why anyone on the left would argue with this. Joe picked a real liberal for vp, everyone should be ecstatic.
Or maybe she is. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article244908657.html
In her freshman year she was the most liberal freshman, too.
I’m confused why anyone on the left would argue with this. Joe picked a real liberal for vp, everyone should be ecstatic.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article244908657.html
I’m not sure why anyone would want to dispute this.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article244908657.html
I’m not sure why anyone would want to dispute this.
Marty?
Marty?
I’d like to see a great American diaspora, a sensible fleeing to leave anti-American conservatives to stew in their own poisonous juices, but the Trump conservative movement has deliberately refused to control the virus so that now we are now viewed as diseased pariahs, and we are, to the rest of the world:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/american-passports-are-useless-now/615244/
They want no furriners coming in, and they want to stop Americans from being exposed to anything but the exceptionally toxic and parochial hate of conservative America.
Quite Soviet that, and typical of nationalistic, racist, authoritarian, anti-cosmopolitan, subhuman, fascist regimes.
It also prepares the ground for the next World War, which will be nuclear.
The only leaving is the money of the rich who find offshore hidey-holes to avoid paying taxes, and most of those filth still believe the extremely low, by historical standards, tax rates are commie confiscatory.
They wanna pay zero.
I can arrange that.
I’d like to see a great American diaspora, a sensible fleeing to leave anti-American conservatives to stew in their own poisonous juices, but the Trump conservative movement has deliberately refused to control the virus so that now we are now viewed as diseased pariahs, and we are, to the rest of the world:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/american-passports-are-useless-now/615244/
They want no furriners coming in, and they want to stop Americans from being exposed to anything but the exceptionally toxic and parochial hate of conservative America.
Quite Soviet that, and typical of nationalistic, racist, authoritarian, anti-cosmopolitan, subhuman, fascist regimes.
It also prepares the ground for the next World War, which will be nuclear.
The only leaving is the money of the rich who find offshore hidey-holes to avoid paying taxes, and most of those filth still believe the extremely low, by historical standards, tax rates are commie confiscatory.
They wanna pay zero.
I can arrange that.
Speechless… I don’t see why anyone would fight the voting record etc. She is a solid liberal pick for vp.
It seems like a knee jerk reaction to say Trumps wrong no matter what he says.
Speechless… I don’t see why anyone would fight the voting record etc. She is a solid liberal pick for vp.
It seems like a knee jerk reaction to say Trumps wrong no matter what he says.
Hold down the Alt key and type: 0153 ™
Hold down the Alt key and type: 0153 ™
Russell and I had a friendly disagreement the other day regarding what Trump can and cannot do.
Others are trying to enumerate the former.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/trumps-weaponization-usps-and-census/615235/
There is nothing in the Constitution ….
It’s a useless rag at this point for these unfettered louts.
I’ve made this comparison before:
If you stand on the shore at the head of the Nile River or near the ocean in some parts of Australia, the norms of living within a human society seem a given, a safe assumption.
If you venture too close to the water or worse, dive in, you leave all of that behind. Because the most prehistoric of living reptiles, crocodiles, infest those waters, and they go about their predatory, cold-blooded business without reference to human norms.
They are the ultimate dead-eyed sociopaths operating by the primitive notions of the reptilian brain stems.
In some African countries, the predator crocodiles will come to you; they will stalk you in your village for the eating.
Just as the fascist Republican Party is sending tens of thousands of their operatives to “monitor” polling places, mostly in poor and already harassed neighborhoods, throughout the country.
Their first move in seizing you is to disorient you, taking you under the surface and repeatedly and violently rolling you so that you lose all sense of direction and the usual human proprieties.
This is Trump’s and his thugs’ flood … think William Barr, a future lynching and disembowelment victim …. the zone with shit strategy. It comes naturally to him …. it’s his successful career methodology …. while we gibber and yeah-but about protocols, and standards, and norms.
What you think is possible at that moment is irrelevant and senseless. You just want out and away. You can’t maneuver; their jaws are around you.
You are prey.
We are prey.
The only strategies left are to play dead until your breath runs out, (yeah right) or find some way to kill the predators.
Russell and I had a friendly disagreement the other day regarding what Trump can and cannot do.
Others are trying to enumerate the former.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/trumps-weaponization-usps-and-census/615235/
There is nothing in the Constitution ….
It’s a useless rag at this point for these unfettered louts.
I’ve made this comparison before:
If you stand on the shore at the head of the Nile River or near the ocean in some parts of Australia, the norms of living within a human society seem a given, a safe assumption.
If you venture too close to the water or worse, dive in, you leave all of that behind. Because the most prehistoric of living reptiles, crocodiles, infest those waters, and they go about their predatory, cold-blooded business without reference to human norms.
They are the ultimate dead-eyed sociopaths operating by the primitive notions of the reptilian brain stems.
In some African countries, the predator crocodiles will come to you; they will stalk you in your village for the eating.
Just as the fascist Republican Party is sending tens of thousands of their operatives to “monitor” polling places, mostly in poor and already harassed neighborhoods, throughout the country.
Their first move in seizing you is to disorient you, taking you under the surface and repeatedly and violently rolling you so that you lose all sense of direction and the usual human proprieties.
This is Trump’s and his thugs’ flood … think William Barr, a future lynching and disembowelment victim …. the zone with shit strategy. It comes naturally to him …. it’s his successful career methodology …. while we gibber and yeah-but about protocols, and standards, and norms.
What you think is possible at that moment is irrelevant and senseless. You just want out and away. You can’t maneuver; their jaws are around you.
You are prey.
We are prey.
The only strategies left are to play dead until your breath runs out, (yeah right) or find some way to kill the predators.
From russell’s link:
This doesn’t sound knee-jerky to me. It sounds like adding nuance to Trump’s simplistic and absolutist characterization. It’s not that there’s nothing to what he’s saying. It’s that it’s an overstatement that leaves much of the full picture out. As is usual for him.
From russell’s link:
This doesn’t sound knee-jerky to me. It sounds like adding nuance to Trump’s simplistic and absolutist characterization. It’s not that there’s nothing to what he’s saying. It’s that it’s an overstatement that leaves much of the full picture out. As is usual for him.
“There is little downside to being liberal in California.”
What does that even mean?
Please enumerate the downsides to being conservative in Florida and Texas.
“There is little downside to being liberal in California.”
What does that even mean?
Please enumerate the downsides to being conservative in Florida and Texas.
Trump is wrong no matter what he says.
If by some accident he says something more true than false, it’s for the wrong reasons. Why defend him?
“disrespectful” is the word that caught my eye. Does it mean she’s not as polite as Trump? Or is it just a racist dog whistle? Or is it an attack on Biden for selecting someone who opposed him in the primaries?
Trump is wrong no matter what he says.
If by some accident he says something more true than false, it’s for the wrong reasons. Why defend him?
“disrespectful” is the word that caught my eye. Does it mean she’s not as polite as Trump? Or is it just a racist dog whistle? Or is it an attack on Biden for selecting someone who opposed him in the primaries?
Please enumerate the downsides to being conservative in Florida and Texas.
1. Dying of COVID-19.
Please enumerate the downsides to being conservative in Florida and Texas.
1. Dying of COVID-19.
CharlesWT: Thanks, but doesn’t work. As soon as I hit the 1 of 0153 I get jumped up to the top of the blog, and out of this thread. Tried it twice.
“disrespectful” is definitely a dog-whistle, it would be when used of a woman, and of a black woman there is no possible doubt.
CharlesWT: Thanks, but doesn’t work. As soon as I hit the 1 of 0153 I get jumped up to the top of the blog, and out of this thread. Tried it twice.
“disrespectful” is definitely a dog-whistle, it would be when used of a woman, and of a black woman there is no possible doubt.
hsh: LOL
hsh: LOL
It seems like a knee jerk reaction to say Trumps wrong no matter what he says.
statistically speaking, he’s wrong every time he speaks.
It seems like a knee jerk reaction to say Trumps wrong no matter what he says.
statistically speaking, he’s wrong every time he speaks.
italiexo!
italiexo!
Even when Trump’s gob emits some accidentally-stumbled upon truth, he doesn’t recognize it as truth, in fact, it feels like something unsavory in his predator mouth that needs spitting out and then it’s merely becomes a shiny thing he’s about to raise the price on, take it or leave it.
Besides, he’s the WRONG beast to be left alone with truth for any length of time.
It would be like leaving him alone with an under aged beauty queen, or a nuclear weapons treaty, or a contractor’s bill.
Hitler was eminently truthful. He’d tell you the truth, and then deny he told you that, and then promise the truth he told you beforehand wasn’t really true, just before it came true.
And then Neville Chamberlain receives a cable from the Sudetenland addressed to the “Appeaser”.
Much the same, Trump tells you what he is going to do to you, and then everyone mills around thinking, well, first, he’s lying as usual, why, he wouldn’t dare … would he …?
Whaddaya gonna do? Call the government?
Even when Trump’s gob emits some accidentally-stumbled upon truth, he doesn’t recognize it as truth, in fact, it feels like something unsavory in his predator mouth that needs spitting out and then it’s merely becomes a shiny thing he’s about to raise the price on, take it or leave it.
Besides, he’s the WRONG beast to be left alone with truth for any length of time.
It would be like leaving him alone with an under aged beauty queen, or a nuclear weapons treaty, or a contractor’s bill.
Hitler was eminently truthful. He’d tell you the truth, and then deny he told you that, and then promise the truth he told you beforehand wasn’t really true, just before it came true.
And then Neville Chamberlain receives a cable from the Sudetenland addressed to the “Appeaser”.
Much the same, Trump tells you what he is going to do to you, and then everyone mills around thinking, well, first, he’s lying as usual, why, he wouldn’t dare … would he …?
Whaddaya gonna do? Call the government?
“disrespectful” is the word that caught my eye. Does it mean she’s not as polite as Trump? Or is it just a racist dog whistle?
It probably means that his vocabulary is shrinking with age. Otherwise he would have said “uppity“.
It’s not just racist dog whistle, since it can be aplied to women, too.
“disrespectful” is the word that caught my eye. Does it mean she’s not as polite as Trump? Or is it just a racist dog whistle?
It probably means that his vocabulary is shrinking with age. Otherwise he would have said “uppity“.
It’s not just racist dog whistle, since it can be aplied to women, too.
“disrespectful” is how “conservatives” will dismiss Harris when she contradicts the things good upstanding men like Trump and Pence will say over the next few months.
“I’d vote for a woman, but not one who is so disrespectful.”
it’s a sham.
“disrespectful” is how “conservatives” will dismiss Harris when she contradicts the things good upstanding men like Trump and Pence will say over the next few months.
“I’d vote for a woman, but not one who is so disrespectful.”
it’s a sham.
As soon as I hit the 1 of 0153 I get jumped up to the top of the blog, and out of this thread.
Are you using something other than a Windows™ PC? It works on mine with the numeric lock on or off. But not for the number keys across the top of the keyboard. I don’t know how it might work with a Mac, smartphone, iPad, etc.
As soon as I hit the 1 of 0153 I get jumped up to the top of the blog, and out of this thread.
Are you using something other than a Windows™ PC? It works on mine with the numeric lock on or off. But not for the number keys across the top of the keyboard. I don’t know how it might work with a Mac, smartphone, iPad, etc.
Okay, a bit more detail:
The character & (ampersand)
followed by the word “trade” (without the quotes)
followed by the character ; (semicolon)
Unlike the Windoze™ version, it doesn’t depend on what software your computer is running.
As for Kamala as VP, at least she (probably) won’t be presiding over the Senate, telling Senators to “go fnck themselves” from the podium. Although she should.
Okay, a bit more detail:
The character & (ampersand)
followed by the word “trade” (without the quotes)
followed by the character ; (semicolon)
Unlike the Windoze™ version, it doesn’t depend on what software your computer is running.
As for Kamala as VP, at least she (probably) won’t be presiding over the Senate, telling Senators to “go fnck themselves” from the podium. Although she should.
Yeah, I saw “disrespectful” as uppity-lite. Obvious to anyone who’s willing to pay at least a little attention and is honest about it.
Yeah, I saw “disrespectful” as uppity-lite. Obvious to anyone who’s willing to pay at least a little attention and is honest about it.
The Donald’s younger brother is reportedly hospitalized and very ill. What are the chances it’s COVID? And what if it is? Does the reptilian brain process something like that in a meaningful way? I guess we’ll see.
The Donald’s younger brother is reportedly hospitalized and very ill. What are the chances it’s COVID? And what if it is? Does the reptilian brain process something like that in a meaningful way? I guess we’ll see.
Snarkexplanation™
Aha! it was the semi-colon I didn’t realise was important.
CharlesWT™
Also worked! I was using the number keys along the top.
Crikey, ObWi continues its educational mission.
Snarkexplanation™
Aha! it was the semi-colon I didn’t realise was important.
CharlesWT™
Also worked! I was using the number keys along the top.
Crikey, ObWi continues its educational mission.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33605565/trump-destroy-post-office-2020-election/
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33605565/trump-destroy-post-office-2020-election/
No downside to being subhuman in Florida:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/14/trump-mail-ballot-florida/
No downside to being subhuman in Florida:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/14/trump-mail-ballot-florida/
Trump is wrong no matter what he says.
Trump is wrong no matter what he says, on purpose.
He’s a BS artist.
It makes sense that Harris is a liberal. She represents a largely liberal state.
Senators from Utah are mostly conservative. Senators from California are mostly liberal.
Biden and Harris are going to find a policy groove somewhere in the midstream of (D) sentiment. That’s going to look like centrist pablum to some people, and radical crypto-Marxism to others.
Harris is, by modern American standards, liberal. “Most liberal Senator” is a stretch.
But keep those Fox headlines coming.
Trump is wrong no matter what he says.
Trump is wrong no matter what he says, on purpose.
He’s a BS artist.
It makes sense that Harris is a liberal. She represents a largely liberal state.
Senators from Utah are mostly conservative. Senators from California are mostly liberal.
Biden and Harris are going to find a policy groove somewhere in the midstream of (D) sentiment. That’s going to look like centrist pablum to some people, and radical crypto-Marxism to others.
Harris is, by modern American standards, liberal. “Most liberal Senator” is a stretch.
But keep those Fox headlines coming.
come on. everyone knows that VPs set the policy for the whole government. they’re responsible for writing bills, appointing SCOTUS judges, apportioning money and setting regulatory policy.
come on. everyone knows that VPs set the policy for the whole government. they’re responsible for writing bills, appointing SCOTUS judges, apportioning money and setting regulatory policy.
A variety of opinions about Harris.
Selected from a more or less random walk of Google results. Article that were obvious partisan propaganda were excluded, other than that it’s pretty much an arbitrary selection.
I did include one piece from McClatchy, who are clearly not a (R)-friendly source, mostly because their reporting is usually pretty good.
Feel free to ignore it if you like.
Make up your own mind.
A variety of opinions about Harris.
Selected from a more or less random walk of Google results. Article that were obvious partisan propaganda were excluded, other than that it’s pretty much an arbitrary selection.
I did include one piece from McClatchy, who are clearly not a (R)-friendly source, mostly because their reporting is usually pretty good.
Feel free to ignore it if you like.
Make up your own mind.
Trump is wrong no matter what he says.
Not really. For example, when he accuses his opponents of some misdeed, he’s usually right. Except, of course, for the detail that it’s him doing it rather than them. But still, the bad behavior did happen.
/sarcasm
Trump is wrong no matter what he says.
Not really. For example, when he accuses his opponents of some misdeed, he’s usually right. Except, of course, for the detail that it’s him doing it rather than them. But still, the bad behavior did happen.
/sarcasm
Here’s a list of the bills that Harris has sponsored in the Senate:
https://www.congress.gov/member/kamala-harris/H001075?q=%7B%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D
Seems a good measure of her focuses and priorities.
Here’s a list of the bills that Harris has sponsored in the Senate:
https://www.congress.gov/member/kamala-harris/H001075?q=%7B%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D
Seems a good measure of her focuses and priorities.
From beyond the grave!
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/herman-cain-twitter-democrats-joe-biden
So we’re talking Zombies for Trump here?
From beyond the grave!
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/herman-cain-twitter-democrats-joe-biden
So we’re talking Zombies for Trump here?
So we’re talking Zombies for Trump here?
Haven’t we always? George Romero would have said so.
So we’re talking Zombies for Trump here?
Haven’t we always? George Romero would have said so.
So, let’s jump ahead and game this out politically:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=US+coronavirus+strain+human+trials&filters=tnTID%3a%2246574210-A797-4b28-A0BD-0104464E3D9C%22+tnVersion%3a%223656877%22+Segment%3a%22popularnow.carousel%22+tnCol%3a%225%22+tnOrder%3a%22609c9fa5-4e3c-4ecc-a2e6-19852c799bf5%22&efirst=5&form=HPNN01
As Trump is vertriloquizing a despot’s slimy impression of a President of a country, we’ll hear nothing from his traitorous dupes and enablers regarding the government not only producing the virus but infecting vaccine volunteers with it as part of the usual vaccine efficacy trials.
But as soon as Biden is inaugurated, all of the usual suspects, QAnon in the lead, will begin warning darkly via their anonymous social media hit squads, foreign and domestic, of the vast left wing deep state conspiracy to infect the American people with the virus, not to mention that the vaccine will also causes people to begin trafficking in and raping young children.
We ain’t seen nothing yet.
So, let’s jump ahead and game this out politically:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=US+coronavirus+strain+human+trials&filters=tnTID%3a%2246574210-A797-4b28-A0BD-0104464E3D9C%22+tnVersion%3a%223656877%22+Segment%3a%22popularnow.carousel%22+tnCol%3a%225%22+tnOrder%3a%22609c9fa5-4e3c-4ecc-a2e6-19852c799bf5%22&efirst=5&form=HPNN01
As Trump is vertriloquizing a despot’s slimy impression of a President of a country, we’ll hear nothing from his traitorous dupes and enablers regarding the government not only producing the virus but infecting vaccine volunteers with it as part of the usual vaccine efficacy trials.
But as soon as Biden is inaugurated, all of the usual suspects, QAnon in the lead, will begin warning darkly via their anonymous social media hit squads, foreign and domestic, of the vast left wing deep state conspiracy to infect the American people with the virus, not to mention that the vaccine will also causes people to begin trafficking in and raping young children.
We ain’t seen nothing yet.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/usps-states-delayed-mail-in-ballots/2020/08/14/64bf3c3c-dcc7-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html
Trump told the truth.
I expect the National Guard and Army and Marine regulars will be mustered RIGHT ON TIME to put down, with killing, armed bloody street insurrections in those 46 states.
Conservative movements always make the armed, martial parts of government that protect their asses and malign interests highly efficient and deadly.
Ballots not so much. Bullets to murder the disenfranchised, right on, f*ckers.
Covid testing, meh. Body Bags to hold the murdered.
Coming right up!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/usps-states-delayed-mail-in-ballots/2020/08/14/64bf3c3c-dcc7-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html
Trump told the truth.
I expect the National Guard and Army and Marine regulars will be mustered RIGHT ON TIME to put down, with killing, armed bloody street insurrections in those 46 states.
Conservative movements always make the armed, martial parts of government that protect their asses and malign interests highly efficient and deadly.
Ballots not so much. Bullets to murder the disenfranchised, right on, f*ckers.
Covid testing, meh. Body Bags to hold the murdered.
Coming right up!
Correction.
The insurrection is not those fighting in the streets for the freedom to goddamned fucking vote.
The insurrectionists are the entire edifice of the Trump conservative republican movement, tens and tens of millions of the louts, who are destroying governments at all levels and the country’s democratic institutions and processes.
Correction.
The insurrection is not those fighting in the streets for the freedom to goddamned fucking vote.
The insurrectionists are the entire edifice of the Trump conservative republican movement, tens and tens of millions of the louts, who are destroying governments at all levels and the country’s democratic institutions and processes.
i think i see a problem with vote-by-mail.
i think i see a problem with vote-by-mail.
russell, thanks for the links.
My impression is that Harris is, at best, a politician. Perhaps even a high function sociopath. That would put her in a plentiful company in Washington D.C. Her public record is a pretty mixed bag. Hopefully, if she becomes VP, she will pull some of the better items from that bag.
She is American. Any refinement to that characterizing should be up to her.
“Biden picked the only VP candidate whose record on police and criminal justice reform is just as terrible as his own.”
Kamala Harris: Drug Warrior, Vice Cop, Draconian Prosecutor (YouTube)
russell, thanks for the links.
My impression is that Harris is, at best, a politician. Perhaps even a high function sociopath. That would put her in a plentiful company in Washington D.C. Her public record is a pretty mixed bag. Hopefully, if she becomes VP, she will pull some of the better items from that bag.
She is American. Any refinement to that characterizing should be up to her.
“Biden picked the only VP candidate whose record on police and criminal justice reform is just as terrible as his own.”
Kamala Harris: Drug Warrior, Vice Cop, Draconian Prosecutor (YouTube)
Kamala Harris: Drug Warrior
the states seem to be doing much better on the drug issue by simply ignoring the Feds. maybe that’s the right path to take.
Kamala Harris: Drug Warrior
the states seem to be doing much better on the drug issue by simply ignoring the Feds. maybe that’s the right path to take.
Charles, just curious. Was there ANY of the potential Democratic VP candidates that you approved of? Even a little bit?
Charles, just curious. Was there ANY of the potential Democratic VP candidates that you approved of? Even a little bit?
Tulsi Gabbard a little bit if only for her foreign policy stances. Otherwise, she was about as much of a stretch as the others.
Tulsi Gabbard a little bit if only for her foreign policy stances. Otherwise, she was about as much of a stretch as the others.
“Biden picked the only VP candidate whose record on police and criminal justice reform is just as terrible as his own.”
Useful bit of qualifier, that, and quite subtle. I assume that it was made after Kobuchar and Deming were out of serious consideration and no one else left having much of a record to check. Technically true, but misleading is the ratfuckers’ stock in trade.
“Biden picked the only VP candidate whose record on police and criminal justice reform is just as terrible as his own.”
Useful bit of qualifier, that, and quite subtle. I assume that it was made after Kobuchar and Deming were out of serious consideration and no one else left having much of a record to check. Technically true, but misleading is the ratfuckers’ stock in trade.
If we stop fighting a stupid trade war with China, this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiTDU8MZRYw
could be an innovative way to address the homeless problem.
If we stop fighting a stupid trade war with China, this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiTDU8MZRYw
could be an innovative way to address the homeless problem.
So strange after all the discussion of whether KH counts as black etc, I just saw a documentary about the wonderful Joan Armatrading and they played some of her song How Cruel (which I didn’t remember), in which she sings:
There was quite a lot of discussion about how hard it was for them to market her in America, where at the time she was the only black woman “singer/songwriter” (i.e. in the same category as joni mitchell, or james taylor), and an interesting comment by the woman who interviewed her for Spare Rib saying that it was electrifying to hear her, because as a black woman, she had never been socialised to sound weak, so she didn’t.
Quite apart from the weird synchronicity with current KH discussions, a cascade of memories: the summer when Love and Affection was the constant soundtrack to which we danced, and threw our heads back, and really laughed, really laughed, and the only time I ever rode on a motorcycle, behind a boy going from London for the day in 1978 to the decommissioned airfield Blackbushe to hear Bob Dylan, Joan Armatrading and Eric Clapton.
So strange after all the discussion of whether KH counts as black etc, I just saw a documentary about the wonderful Joan Armatrading and they played some of her song How Cruel (which I didn’t remember), in which she sings:
There was quite a lot of discussion about how hard it was for them to market her in America, where at the time she was the only black woman “singer/songwriter” (i.e. in the same category as joni mitchell, or james taylor), and an interesting comment by the woman who interviewed her for Spare Rib saying that it was electrifying to hear her, because as a black woman, she had never been socialised to sound weak, so she didn’t.
Quite apart from the weird synchronicity with current KH discussions, a cascade of memories: the summer when Love and Affection was the constant soundtrack to which we danced, and threw our heads back, and really laughed, really laughed, and the only time I ever rode on a motorcycle, behind a boy going from London for the day in 1978 to the decommissioned airfield Blackbushe to hear Bob Dylan, Joan Armatrading and Eric Clapton.
The smoke reducing the sun to a big red ball you could just look at at 4:45 in the afternoon prompted me to look at the wildfire incident map for the US, and I admit that part of me said, “I am glad there’s a westerner on the ticket, from someplace where fire and water are important issues.”
The smoke reducing the sun to a big red ball you could just look at at 4:45 in the afternoon prompted me to look at the wildfire incident map for the US, and I admit that part of me said, “I am glad there’s a westerner on the ticket, from someplace where fire and water are important issues.”
There was quite a lot of discussion about how hard it was for them to market her in America
I’m quite surprised at that since I love her, and had the impression that she was extremely popular. Maybe not as popular as I assumed.
There was quite a lot of discussion about how hard it was for them to market her in America
I’m quite surprised at that since I love her, and had the impression that she was extremely popular. Maybe not as popular as I assumed.
“Quite apart from the weird synchronicity with current KH discussions, a cascade of memories: the summer when Love and Affection was the constant soundtrack to which we danced, and threw our heads back, and really laughed, really laughed, and the only time I ever rode on a motorcycle, behind a boy going from London for the day in 1978 to the decommissioned airfield Blackbushe to hear Bob Dylan, Joan Armatrading and Eric Clapton.”
GftNC: That is a beautifully-written paragraph, evocative of a moment of youth and the accursed passing of time.
“Quite apart from the weird synchronicity with current KH discussions, a cascade of memories: the summer when Love and Affection was the constant soundtrack to which we danced, and threw our heads back, and really laughed, really laughed, and the only time I ever rode on a motorcycle, behind a boy going from London for the day in 1978 to the decommissioned airfield Blackbushe to hear Bob Dylan, Joan Armatrading and Eric Clapton.”
GftNC: That is a beautifully-written paragraph, evocative of a moment of youth and the accursed passing of time.
misleading is the ratfuckers’ stock in trade
Well, what do you expect from an organization funded by Koch and Scaife?
misleading is the ratfuckers’ stock in trade
Well, what do you expect from an organization funded by Koch and Scaife?
To return to the original post
…it is striking to me that it is the same as Obama, parents who divorced, the candidate raised by the non-black mother, yet the emphasis is on the father…
I’m not sure it is even surprising. I don’t think the emphasis is on the father per se. I think it’s on the black parent. Which, given how anyone who is even sort-of black can expect to be treated (even without the “one drop” rule), only makes sense. The child might have been inclined to identify with the mother, but society wasn’t going to make that viable.
As for the divorced parent aspect, consider how likely it is that parents will divorce. Definitely not a rarity. And overwhelmingly the mother, regardless of race, will get custody. What is anomalous about Obama and Harris is that their parents’ divorce did not leave them gorwing up in poverty.
To return to the original post
…it is striking to me that it is the same as Obama, parents who divorced, the candidate raised by the non-black mother, yet the emphasis is on the father…
I’m not sure it is even surprising. I don’t think the emphasis is on the father per se. I think it’s on the black parent. Which, given how anyone who is even sort-of black can expect to be treated (even without the “one drop” rule), only makes sense. The child might have been inclined to identify with the mother, but society wasn’t going to make that viable.
As for the divorced parent aspect, consider how likely it is that parents will divorce. Definitely not a rarity. And overwhelmingly the mother, regardless of race, will get custody. What is anomalous about Obama and Harris is that their parents’ divorce did not leave them gorwing up in poverty.
I didn’t refresh my browser, so apologies for stepping on GftNC’s graceful redirection back to what I was interested in.
Still processing wj’s point about it being ‘on the black parent’, which I’m not sure I understand. And sure, divorce is common, but which parent one identifies with is certainly not set. A lot of kids of divorced couples can reject the parent who is raising them and gravitate towards absent parent, especially if the other parent represents the more exotic.
Tying into our discussions of white fragility, it is interesting to me that both Harris and Obama have seemed comfortable in taking on their black identity, something which I think may be related to the fact that the mothers were both academics. It’s also notable where they grew up, Obama in Hawai’i and Harris in Oakland. Certainly not the whole story, but something I find interesting though am still wondering about it.
I didn’t refresh my browser, so apologies for stepping on GftNC’s graceful redirection back to what I was interested in.
Still processing wj’s point about it being ‘on the black parent’, which I’m not sure I understand. And sure, divorce is common, but which parent one identifies with is certainly not set. A lot of kids of divorced couples can reject the parent who is raising them and gravitate towards absent parent, especially if the other parent represents the more exotic.
Tying into our discussions of white fragility, it is interesting to me that both Harris and Obama have seemed comfortable in taking on their black identity, something which I think may be related to the fact that the mothers were both academics. It’s also notable where they grew up, Obama in Hawai’i and Harris in Oakland. Certainly not the whole story, but something I find interesting though am still wondering about it.
No apology necessary, lj. And thank you, JDT, for your kind words.
No apology necessary, lj. And thank you, JDT, for your kind words.
Still processing wj’s point about it being ‘on the black parent’, which I’m not sure I understand. And sure, divorce is common, but which parent one identifies with is certainly not set.
My point was that, the child might not have a choice of (race) identity. Suppose Obama had decided to identify was white, like his mother. Would American society have cheerfully agreed to treat him as white? Not a chance.
Still processing wj’s point about it being ‘on the black parent’, which I’m not sure I understand. And sure, divorce is common, but which parent one identifies with is certainly not set.
My point was that, the child might not have a choice of (race) identity. Suppose Obama had decided to identify was white, like his mother. Would American society have cheerfully agreed to treat him as white? Not a chance.
What can he do?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/14/1969287/-Shameful-ICE-is-entering-decade-long-private-prison-contracts-in-case-Trump-loses-reelection
Abolish ICE.
Amend the contracts to read “to detain and punish conservative movement operatives. Immigrants formerly housed in the facilities will be given first dibs on prison guard positions.
Convict and execute the perpetrators.
What can he do?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/14/1969287/-Shameful-ICE-is-entering-decade-long-private-prison-contracts-in-case-Trump-loses-reelection
Abolish ICE.
Amend the contracts to read “to detain and punish conservative movement operatives. Immigrants formerly housed in the facilities will be given first dibs on prison guard positions.
Convict and execute the perpetrators.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/13/1968959/-Memphis-woman-who-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-returns-from-hospital-to-eviction
I’m going to send her money to replace the useless antique rifle with a semi-automatic AR-15 so she can pay visits to the server’s and the landlord’s homes to work this shit out.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/13/1968959/-Memphis-woman-who-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-returns-from-hospital-to-eviction
I’m going to send her money to replace the useless antique rifle with a semi-automatic AR-15 so she can pay visits to the server’s and the landlord’s homes to work this shit out.
Ahh, so ‘on the black parent’ doesn’t mean they should take responsibility, you are commenting about the lack of agency? I can see that, largely growing out of the ‘one-drop’ theory of race.
Though I think that Harris could have ‘passed’ and emphasized her Indian heritage, though she obviously didn’t because she chose to go to Howard U, though interestingly enough, she attended middle and high school in Quebec. Here’s an interesting article about that
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/how-canadian-is-she-probably-more-than-you-think-say-kamala-harris-one-time-montreal-classmates-1.5060720
Another one that has several sour notes in it, so I don’t particularly trust it (plus it was written when Harris was a presidential candidate)
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/kamala-harriss-father-is-slamming-her-for-making-a-travesty-of-her-jamaican-heritage/
(interesting factoid, when the Japanese-American internment took place, they also incarcerated orphans with any Japanese blood
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Manzanar_Children's_Village/ )
Ahh, so ‘on the black parent’ doesn’t mean they should take responsibility, you are commenting about the lack of agency? I can see that, largely growing out of the ‘one-drop’ theory of race.
Though I think that Harris could have ‘passed’ and emphasized her Indian heritage, though she obviously didn’t because she chose to go to Howard U, though interestingly enough, she attended middle and high school in Quebec. Here’s an interesting article about that
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/how-canadian-is-she-probably-more-than-you-think-say-kamala-harris-one-time-montreal-classmates-1.5060720
Another one that has several sour notes in it, so I don’t particularly trust it (plus it was written when Harris was a presidential candidate)
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/kamala-harriss-father-is-slamming-her-for-making-a-travesty-of-her-jamaican-heritage/
(interesting factoid, when the Japanese-American internment took place, they also incarcerated orphans with any Japanese blood
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Manzanar_Children's_Village/ )
Susan Collins’ condition has been downgraded from vaguely irritated to slightly troubled.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/13/1969147/-Susan-Collins-tweeted-what?utm_campaign=trending
Susan Collins’ condition has been downgraded from vaguely irritated to slightly troubled.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/13/1969147/-Susan-Collins-tweeted-what?utm_campaign=trending
GftNC: That is a beautifully-written paragraph, evocative of a moment of youth and the accursed passing of time.
Indeed.
And hey, I know a guy who was on some of those sessions!
GftNC: That is a beautifully-written paragraph, evocative of a moment of youth and the accursed passing of time.
Indeed.
And hey, I know a guy who was on some of those sessions!
I think that Harris could have ‘passed’ and emphasized her Indian heritage
Today? Sure. But in 1960s Berkeley (or 1970s Montreal)? There were vanishingly few South Asians. So passing would have required constant education of everyone around her. Otherwise, they would have just assumed “black” and behaved accordingly.
Also persuading people back then that South Asian/Indian was a thing, rather than just a ruse to pass, would have been problematic, too.
I think that Harris could have ‘passed’ and emphasized her Indian heritage
Today? Sure. But in 1960s Berkeley (or 1970s Montreal)? There were vanishingly few South Asians. So passing would have required constant education of everyone around her. Otherwise, they would have just assumed “black” and behaved accordingly.
Also persuading people back then that South Asian/Indian was a thing, rather than just a ruse to pass, would have been problematic, too.
Allow me to note that I was in college and living in Berkeley during the years Harris lived there. I’m working from first-hand observation here.
Allow me to note that I was in college and living in Berkeley during the years Harris lived there. I’m working from first-hand observation here.
Perhaps she’ll be a counterweight to Biden’s neo-interventionist foreign policy past:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/state-of-the-union/what-is-kamala-harris-foreign-policy/
That’d be Larison.
Perhaps she’ll be a counterweight to Biden’s neo-interventionist foreign policy past:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/state-of-the-union/what-is-kamala-harris-foreign-policy/
That’d be Larison.
Good point wj, the past is a different country. I’m wondering if you’ve read One Drop of Blood: The American Misadventure of Race by Scott Malcomson, which has interesting links to Oakland and Berkeley I think.
Good point wj, the past is a different country. I’m wondering if you’ve read One Drop of Blood: The American Misadventure of Race by Scott Malcomson, which has interesting links to Oakland and Berkeley I think.
@lj, haven’t encountered that book. Sorry.
@lj, haven’t encountered that book. Sorry.
…perhaps a high function sociopath…
Which all due respect, Charles, I could say the same about you on about as much evidence (ie none).
…perhaps a high function sociopath…
Which all due respect, Charles, I could say the same about you on about as much evidence (ie none).
misleading is the ratfuckers’ stock in trade
And the names don’t even change from one century to the next.
From an article on women VP picks:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/female-vp-395571
… In 1984, Ferraro’s campaign was plagued by questions about the finances of her husband, real estate developer John Zaccaro. The controversy first was that Zaccaro, who filed tax returns separately from Ferraro, refused to release them. Once he did, the media spent weeks investigating the family’s finances, even insinuating the couple had ties to organized crime. At one point, the Philadelphia Inquirer apparently had at least 25 reporters on the Ferraro-Zaccaro money beat. A Reagan campaign aide later told the Daily Beast that many of the stories were provided directly by the Reagan campaign (which included a young Roger Stone) and that he knew that Ferraro didn’t have Mafia connections….
misleading is the ratfuckers’ stock in trade
And the names don’t even change from one century to the next.
From an article on women VP picks:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/female-vp-395571
… In 1984, Ferraro’s campaign was plagued by questions about the finances of her husband, real estate developer John Zaccaro. The controversy first was that Zaccaro, who filed tax returns separately from Ferraro, refused to release them. Once he did, the media spent weeks investigating the family’s finances, even insinuating the couple had ties to organized crime. At one point, the Philadelphia Inquirer apparently had at least 25 reporters on the Ferraro-Zaccaro money beat. A Reagan campaign aide later told the Daily Beast that many of the stories were provided directly by the Reagan campaign (which included a young Roger Stone) and that he knew that Ferraro didn’t have Mafia connections….
They do it among themselves. Remember the Rovian whisper campaign that McCain’s adopted non-white daughter was actually his natural child (imsinuating the horrible crime of having had sex with a POC, i.e. Rassenschande)? And it worked (which says more than enough about the character of GOP primary voters).
They do it among themselves. Remember the Rovian whisper campaign that McCain’s adopted non-white daughter was actually his natural child (imsinuating the horrible crime of having had sex with a POC, i.e. Rassenschande)? And it worked (which says more than enough about the character of GOP primary voters).
“It’s very big, a very big lawn.”
https://digbysblog.net/2020/08/a-pageant-of-weak-character/
Wipe them off the face of the Earth.
“It’s very big, a very big lawn.”
https://digbysblog.net/2020/08/a-pageant-of-weak-character/
Wipe them off the face of the Earth.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/birtherism-returns/615268/
Earth. Off it. Now.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/birtherism-returns/615268/
Earth. Off it. Now.
which says more than enough about the character of GOP primary voters
but don’t you dare actually accuse them of being … <sotto voce>racist</sotto voce>.
that’s worse than being actually racist.
which says more than enough about the character of GOP primary voters
but don’t you dare actually accuse them of being … <sotto voce>racist</sotto voce>.
that’s worse than being actually racist.
I’m reading Joan Dideon at the moment, and in her essay “Where the Kissing Never Stops”, about Joan Baez, written in 1967, she quotes Baez*:
“There’s never been a good Republican folksinger.”
Then I picked up where I left off reading yesterday in William Shirer’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, and he counters Baez judgement, except for “good”, with Horst Wessel, who composed “Deutschland uber Alles”, the official anthem of the Third Reich.
Volky in its own far right.
Happily, Wessel was assassinated in 1930, Communists do improve the world in some small ways, before he could pre-empt the future with “Where Have All The Jewish People Gone”, “The Times They Are a-Changing For the Very Worst, “Heil, the Magic Aryan”, “Your Land Is My Lebensraum” and “If I Had 100 Panzer Divisions” in his own versions and ruined it for everyone.
*Baez comes off an eminently more sensible in 1967, and conservative in the good sense, which is now gone forever, than her whiny, tight-assed, freedom-snuffing conservative neighbors, who, if they are still living, are now QAnon Trumpers right down to their lederhosen.
I’m reading Joan Dideon at the moment, and in her essay “Where the Kissing Never Stops”, about Joan Baez, written in 1967, she quotes Baez*:
“There’s never been a good Republican folksinger.”
Then I picked up where I left off reading yesterday in William Shirer’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, and he counters Baez judgement, except for “good”, with Horst Wessel, who composed “Deutschland uber Alles”, the official anthem of the Third Reich.
Volky in its own far right.
Happily, Wessel was assassinated in 1930, Communists do improve the world in some small ways, before he could pre-empt the future with “Where Have All The Jewish People Gone”, “The Times They Are a-Changing For the Very Worst, “Heil, the Magic Aryan”, “Your Land Is My Lebensraum” and “If I Had 100 Panzer Divisions” in his own versions and ruined it for everyone.
*Baez comes off an eminently more sensible in 1967, and conservative in the good sense, which is now gone forever, than her whiny, tight-assed, freedom-snuffing conservative neighbors, who, if they are still living, are now QAnon Trumpers right down to their lederhosen.
Rural Iowa:
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/a-hidden-disaster
Rural Wisconsin:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/08/17/how-suffering-farmers-may-determine-trumps-fate
Rural North Dakota:
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063606191
Rural Iowa:
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/a-hidden-disaster
Rural Wisconsin:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/08/17/how-suffering-farmers-may-determine-trumps-fate
Rural North Dakota:
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063606191
Correction there: Horst Wessel is not the author of ‘Deutschland (2x) über Alles’ (the ‘Song of the Germans / Germany-Song’ which was written in 1841, the third stanza of which is the German national anthem of today*) but of “Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen fest geschlossen” (Rise the flag and keep in close(d) formation).
The first stanzas of both songs were sung together as inofficial national anthem in Nazi Germany.
*Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit (unity and justice/rule of law and freedom/liberty).
Btw, the second stanza starts with ‘German wine and German women, German fidelity and German song/singing [shall keep their good name in all the world]’
Correction there: Horst Wessel is not the author of ‘Deutschland (2x) über Alles’ (the ‘Song of the Germans / Germany-Song’ which was written in 1841, the third stanza of which is the German national anthem of today*) but of “Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen fest geschlossen” (Rise the flag and keep in close(d) formation).
The first stanzas of both songs were sung together as inofficial national anthem in Nazi Germany.
*Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit (unity and justice/rule of law and freedom/liberty).
Btw, the second stanza starts with ‘German wine and German women, German fidelity and German song/singing [shall keep their good name in all the world]’
https://digbysblog.net/2020/08/weaponizing-the-government/
Note, in the Update at the end, that the Post Office is removing collection mail boxes in rural Montana. Trump’s boys may end up irritating enough rural Montana votes to lose that Senate seat. (Which, admittedly, is already at risk.)
Does anyone know the brand of gun-rest they have mounted on their knees, to make sure they don’t miss when shooting themselves in the foot.
https://digbysblog.net/2020/08/weaponizing-the-government/
Note, in the Update at the end, that the Post Office is removing collection mail boxes in rural Montana. Trump’s boys may end up irritating enough rural Montana votes to lose that Senate seat. (Which, admittedly, is already at risk.)
Does anyone know the brand of gun-rest they have mounted on their knees, to make sure they don’t miss when shooting themselves in the foot.
i’m pretty sure those are Trump™-brand gun-rests.
i’m pretty sure those are Trump™-brand gun-rests.
summing it all up in a headline:
Trump’s secret political weapon: Wasting his opponents’ time
President Troll, hard at work.
summing it all up in a headline:
Trump’s secret political weapon: Wasting his opponents’ time
President Troll, hard at work.
cleek, of course. How could I have missed that??? (blush)
cleek, of course. How could I have missed that??? (blush)
Post Office collection boxes are being removed in Portland, Oregon as well, and see below, nearly all western states.
Thanks for the correction on the Horst Wessel Lied.
I misread and thus misquoted Shirer: “This was the Horst Wessel song, which soon became the official song of the Nazi Party and later the second official anthem — after “Deutschland uber Alles” — of the Third Reich.
I do a wicked imitation, though not near the original, of John Cleese’s funny walk too, and if we ever meet in person, Hartmut, I’ll welcome your critique. %-}
Nevertheless, here is the Trump LIED:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B30cMitV_g
The U.S. Mail:
https://legalbeagle.com/12122431-consequences-mail-tampering.html
Biden will sign an Executive Order upping the punishment for tampering with the U.S. Mail to the death penalty for the criminals.
Shot in public executions on The Washington Mall with the ritual disemboweling a la Mussolini by millions of enraged witnesses afterwards.
Now hear this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-removes-letter-collection-boxes-reduces-post-office-operating-hours/index.html
Expect filthy, government-hating conservatives who view every government utterance as lies at best, and jewish liberal Clinton/Obama conspiracies at worst, to hail this news now as spoken truth from God’s unsullied mouth.
Post Office collection boxes are being removed in Portland, Oregon as well, and see below, nearly all western states.
Thanks for the correction on the Horst Wessel Lied.
I misread and thus misquoted Shirer: “This was the Horst Wessel song, which soon became the official song of the Nazi Party and later the second official anthem — after “Deutschland uber Alles” — of the Third Reich.
I do a wicked imitation, though not near the original, of John Cleese’s funny walk too, and if we ever meet in person, Hartmut, I’ll welcome your critique. %-}
Nevertheless, here is the Trump LIED:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B30cMitV_g
The U.S. Mail:
https://legalbeagle.com/12122431-consequences-mail-tampering.html
Biden will sign an Executive Order upping the punishment for tampering with the U.S. Mail to the death penalty for the criminals.
Shot in public executions on The Washington Mall with the ritual disemboweling a la Mussolini by millions of enraged witnesses afterwards.
Now hear this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-removes-letter-collection-boxes-reduces-post-office-operating-hours/index.html
Expect filthy, government-hating conservatives who view every government utterance as lies at best, and jewish liberal Clinton/Obama conspiracies at worst, to hail this news now as spoken truth from God’s unsullied mouth.
how are postal boxes secured in place?
how are postal boxes secured in place?
how are postal boxes secured in place?
In my town (and other places in Northern California that I’ve noticed) each of the 4 legs is bolted to the concrete of the sidewalk.
how are postal boxes secured in place?
In my town (and other places in Northern California that I’ve noticed) each of the 4 legs is bolted to the concrete of the sidewalk.
each of the 4 legs is bolted to the concrete of the sidewalk.
same here.
lucky for DeJoy that nobody has done anything to make them harder to remove.
also, looks like folks have figured out where DeJoy lives. NW DC, apparently. Probably not too far away for some folks reading this.
Some people don’t like to be made uncomfortable. It’s a lever.
each of the 4 legs is bolted to the concrete of the sidewalk.
same here.
lucky for DeJoy that nobody has done anything to make them harder to remove.
also, looks like folks have figured out where DeJoy lives. NW DC, apparently. Probably not too far away for some folks reading this.
Some people don’t like to be made uncomfortable. It’s a lever.
how are postal boxes secured in place?
They are loaded down with mail that has insufficient postage.
how are postal boxes secured in place?
They are loaded down with mail that has insufficient postage.
If you go by the movies, they’re full of guns people ditched…
If you go by the movies, they’re full of guns people ditched…
life ain’t the movies
life ain’t the movies
If they can’t move them, they can probably lock the slot door.
Failing that, there are plenty of clinically insane republican operatives out there who would volunteer to be placed inside the boxes and every time a ballot is put through the slot, they toss it back on to the sidewalk or tarmac, rinse and repeat, until the voter gives up.
Or, they could rig a boxing glove on a springy device that emerges and punches folks in the face every time they pull the slot drawer open, like the Simpson’s Stephen Hawking had installed on his wheelchair to answer crypto-Christian lunkheads questions about the age of the universe.
Here’s an idea. Rig a paper shredder just inside the drawer in the box which makes confetti of all of the mail and preasto chango, you have yourself a conservative movement dictatorship.
This might be a bit dicey, but Trump would find it bleach-worthy. Place snipers on rooftops overlooking every post box in the country and within a day or two, folks will not even try to use them.
Run a million watts of electric current at all times through the metal boxes and just fry the Other when he or she touch the pull handle.
Trump and his lovely spy wife requested their mail-in absentee ballots from Florida the other say.
At midnight the night of November 3, Trump will announce via TikTok, which QAnon has purchased as their new exclusive propaganda platform on behalf of the President for life, that he and Pence beat Biden/Harris 2-0 in the election countdown, thereby garnering all of the electoral college votes as well.
At that, a slight half-furrow of concern, or maybe it will be indigestion, will appear on Susan Collin’s forehead and she will be hold a press conference to refresh her full support and pleasure at Judge Kavanaugh’s judicial temperament, while making appointments ahead of time for her granddaughters’ illegal abortions in states which shall go unnamed, should such procedures be necessary at any time in the future.
If they can’t move them, they can probably lock the slot door.
Failing that, there are plenty of clinically insane republican operatives out there who would volunteer to be placed inside the boxes and every time a ballot is put through the slot, they toss it back on to the sidewalk or tarmac, rinse and repeat, until the voter gives up.
Or, they could rig a boxing glove on a springy device that emerges and punches folks in the face every time they pull the slot drawer open, like the Simpson’s Stephen Hawking had installed on his wheelchair to answer crypto-Christian lunkheads questions about the age of the universe.
Here’s an idea. Rig a paper shredder just inside the drawer in the box which makes confetti of all of the mail and preasto chango, you have yourself a conservative movement dictatorship.
This might be a bit dicey, but Trump would find it bleach-worthy. Place snipers on rooftops overlooking every post box in the country and within a day or two, folks will not even try to use them.
Run a million watts of electric current at all times through the metal boxes and just fry the Other when he or she touch the pull handle.
Trump and his lovely spy wife requested their mail-in absentee ballots from Florida the other say.
At midnight the night of November 3, Trump will announce via TikTok, which QAnon has purchased as their new exclusive propaganda platform on behalf of the President for life, that he and Pence beat Biden/Harris 2-0 in the election countdown, thereby garnering all of the electoral college votes as well.
At that, a slight half-furrow of concern, or maybe it will be indigestion, will appear on Susan Collin’s forehead and she will be hold a press conference to refresh her full support and pleasure at Judge Kavanaugh’s judicial temperament, while making appointments ahead of time for her granddaughters’ illegal abortions in states which shall go unnamed, should such procedures be necessary at any time in the future.
QANon
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/the-republican-party-2021
QANon
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/the-republican-party-2021
Eating your Chicken Surprise from now on will be a blind taste test … with … or without lesions.
Mine tastes like legions!
THAT’s the surprise, Dagny!
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33607243/trump-administration-meatpacking-plants-diseased-chickens/
Marty and Charles have volunteered in the spirit of bullshit deregulation and mass genocidal conservative libertarian movement principles to pre-taste everyone’s chicken meals from now on here going forward.
If Trump is re-elected, you’ll have to pluck chicken McNuggets before consuming them.
The National Chickenshit Counsel’s law firm, Himmler, Himmler, Perdue, Himmler and Spittake threatened anti-lesion activists with gag orders (don’t gag or there will be legal action) and free buckets of Chick-Kil-A chicken strips with their new dipping sauce: Cuyahoga Baptismal Lesion Aeoli, your choice .. cloudy, anti-gay chemical brine, or flambeau.
Eating your Chicken Surprise from now on will be a blind taste test … with … or without lesions.
Mine tastes like legions!
THAT’s the surprise, Dagny!
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33607243/trump-administration-meatpacking-plants-diseased-chickens/
Marty and Charles have volunteered in the spirit of bullshit deregulation and mass genocidal conservative libertarian movement principles to pre-taste everyone’s chicken meals from now on here going forward.
If Trump is re-elected, you’ll have to pluck chicken McNuggets before consuming them.
The National Chickenshit Counsel’s law firm, Himmler, Himmler, Perdue, Himmler and Spittake threatened anti-lesion activists with gag orders (don’t gag or there will be legal action) and free buckets of Chick-Kil-A chicken strips with their new dipping sauce: Cuyahoga Baptismal Lesion Aeoli, your choice .. cloudy, anti-gay chemical brine, or flambeau.
Correct spelling, lie mask wearing, is optional.
Correct spelling, lie mask wearing, is optional.
See?
See?
“I am glad there’s a westerner on the ticket, from someplace where fire and water are important issues.”
A bit on water rights, mostly Colorado, in the US.
Who Owns the Rain? (YouTube)
“I am glad there’s a westerner on the ticket, from someplace where fire and water are important issues.”
A bit on water rights, mostly Colorado, in the US.
Who Owns the Rain? (YouTube)
A few more interesting articles on Harris
Nigel pointed the line about Roger Stone in this one, but it also notes that Tom Brokaw introduced the news on Ferraro’s pick by saying “The first woman to be nominated for vice president—size 6”. Wow.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/female-vp-395571
Some interesting discussion about South Florida voting groups and their relation to Harris
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/15/kamala-harris-west-indian-voters-395554
Someone asked about caste in the comments, here is some info about that for Harris
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-16/kamala-harris-is-half-indian-and-all-american
And this one about her upbringing
https://news.yahoo.com/where-does-kamala-harriss-toughness-come-from-the-two-indomitable-women-who-raised-her-231819103.html
Really interesting about the transactions that may go into being chosen
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/13/joe-biden-kamala-harris-relationship-395160
A few more interesting articles on Harris
Nigel pointed the line about Roger Stone in this one, but it also notes that Tom Brokaw introduced the news on Ferraro’s pick by saying “The first woman to be nominated for vice president—size 6”. Wow.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/female-vp-395571
Some interesting discussion about South Florida voting groups and their relation to Harris
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/15/kamala-harris-west-indian-voters-395554
Someone asked about caste in the comments, here is some info about that for Harris
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-16/kamala-harris-is-half-indian-and-all-american
And this one about her upbringing
https://news.yahoo.com/where-does-kamala-harriss-toughness-come-from-the-two-indomitable-women-who-raised-her-231819103.html
Really interesting about the transactions that may go into being chosen
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/13/joe-biden-kamala-harris-relationship-395160
Has anyone else thought that the standard of Politico’s reporting has improved considerably over the last year or so ?
That’s my very subjective impression.
Has anyone else thought that the standard of Politico’s reporting has improved considerably over the last year or so ?
That’s my very subjective impression.
Apparently the Newsweek birtherism opinion article wasn’t just as a result of pitiful editorial standards and a desire for clickbait.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/kamala-harris-birther-birthright-citizenship-claremont.html
… Why, then, do outlets like Newsweek and the Washington Post keep publishing articles that promote this lie? A coterie of racists based at the Claremont Institute hope that if they repeat it enough, they can leave the door open for a mass expatriation of second-generation Americans, most of them minorities. Indeed, there are few if any supporters of this falsehood who lack connections to the Claremont Institute. Eastman is a senior fellow at Claremont and the founding director of its Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence. Josh Hammer, the Newsweek editor who commissioned the piece, is a former fellow at the institute. Michael Anton, who manipulated the text of a quote from the Senate debate over the 14th Amendment in a Washington Post op-ed to make this lie seem more credible, is a senior fellow there. (Anton may be best known as the author of “The Flight 93 Election,” published in the Claremont Review of Books, which condemned “ceaseless importation of Third World foreigners.”) Claremont “scholar” Edward J. Erler wrote a book arguing that the American-born children of Mexican immigrants have no right to U.S. citizenship, giving the idea greater exposure….
Apparently the Newsweek birtherism opinion article wasn’t just as a result of pitiful editorial standards and a desire for clickbait.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/kamala-harris-birther-birthright-citizenship-claremont.html
… Why, then, do outlets like Newsweek and the Washington Post keep publishing articles that promote this lie? A coterie of racists based at the Claremont Institute hope that if they repeat it enough, they can leave the door open for a mass expatriation of second-generation Americans, most of them minorities. Indeed, there are few if any supporters of this falsehood who lack connections to the Claremont Institute. Eastman is a senior fellow at Claremont and the founding director of its Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence. Josh Hammer, the Newsweek editor who commissioned the piece, is a former fellow at the institute. Michael Anton, who manipulated the text of a quote from the Senate debate over the 14th Amendment in a Washington Post op-ed to make this lie seem more credible, is a senior fellow there. (Anton may be best known as the author of “The Flight 93 Election,” published in the Claremont Review of Books, which condemned “ceaseless importation of Third World foreigners.”) Claremont “scholar” Edward J. Erler wrote a book arguing that the American-born children of Mexican immigrants have no right to U.S. citizenship, giving the idea greater exposure….
Claremont is a conservative terrorist front.
They may hire this guy to guard their manhoods:
https://www.wonkette.com/gun-nut-blows-own-nuts-off-is-hailed-as-hero-by-fellow-gun-nuts
Marty, you are second generation something, aren’t you?
Claremont is a conservative terrorist front.
They may hire this guy to guard their manhoods:
https://www.wonkette.com/gun-nut-blows-own-nuts-off-is-hailed-as-hero-by-fellow-gun-nuts
Marty, you are second generation something, aren’t you?
More on Nigel’s link:
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/idea-laundering
Turns out some of these ilk are peddling their subhuman anti-American hate toward their fellow American citizens about 25 miles from me in what use to be called the People’s Republic of Boulder, Colorado, at the University of Colorado.
Including Robert Merry, a former editor, and if I’m not mistaken, still a Board Member of racist, white supremacist crypto fascist immigrant Catholic Trump-licker, Patrick Buchanan’s American Conservative.
They want to cancel and deport all second generation American citizens, but you know, only the brown ones.
There are more than 1.2 million Hispanics calling Colorado, by its Spanish name, home. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of them are second generation naturalized U.S citizens and I wonder how many could congregate on Merry’s and company’s lawn in Boulder with weaponry and torches.
More on Nigel’s link:
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/idea-laundering
Turns out some of these ilk are peddling their subhuman anti-American hate toward their fellow American citizens about 25 miles from me in what use to be called the People’s Republic of Boulder, Colorado, at the University of Colorado.
Including Robert Merry, a former editor, and if I’m not mistaken, still a Board Member of racist, white supremacist crypto fascist immigrant Catholic Trump-licker, Patrick Buchanan’s American Conservative.
They want to cancel and deport all second generation American citizens, but you know, only the brown ones.
There are more than 1.2 million Hispanics calling Colorado, by its Spanish name, home. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of them are second generation naturalized U.S citizens and I wonder how many could congregate on Merry’s and company’s lawn in Boulder with weaponry and torches.
Marco Rubio will be deported back to Cuba by his fellow subhuman conservatives.
I hope Cuba does the right thing by him if he puts one foot down on their soil.
Marco Rubio will be deported back to Cuba by his fellow subhuman conservatives.
I hope Cuba does the right thing by him if he puts one foot down on their soil.