by Ugh
It's SCOTUS Armageddon this week, where we learn if we can keep it. Good on ya', CJ Roberts (probably the incorrect turn of phrase).
USWNT won today, although likely didn't deserve it. Nevertheless, woo!
I watched Brightburn and it needs a sequel (in fact the concurrent credits scenes are some of the most compelling of the movie).
Did I mention it was hot in SC? A perfect time for dinner on the USS Yorktown with no AC…."feels like" 103 degrees.
Anyway, I've been neglecting my duties here for a variety of reasons, so, open thread……………………….
Roberts Court: The New Deal State is in the dock, and the verdict is foreordained, Alito sneaky concurrence in Grundy notwithstanding.
The conservative movement will not be satisfied until they have the whip hand and all the goodies.
Roberts Court: The New Deal State is in the dock, and the verdict is foreordained, Alito sneaky concurrence in Grundy notwithstanding.
The conservative movement will not be satisfied until they have the whip hand and all the goodies.
To-morrow (technically already to-day since it is after midnight here) temperatures in Berlin (Germany) are expected to easily break the record of highest since the beginning of reliable recording about 120 years ago. The main question is: will it go beyond 40°C or stay just shy of that?
I’d rather prefer 40 degrees Fahrenheit at the moment (outside, not necessarily in here).
To-morrow (technically already to-day since it is after midnight here) temperatures in Berlin (Germany) are expected to easily break the record of highest since the beginning of reliable recording about 120 years ago. The main question is: will it go beyond 40°C or stay just shy of that?
I’d rather prefer 40 degrees Fahrenheit at the moment (outside, not necessarily in here).
Glad it’s hot somewhere. Highs here (West Denver suburbs) on Saturday and Sunday just past were 58 and 61. Some of the roads over the high mountain passes were snowed in again, drifts up to five feet deep. There’s enough snow up in the high country that Denver Water’s reservoir system is going to hit 100% full even if it doesn’t rain again for a couple months. Bureau of Reclamation says there will be enough water flowing into Lake Powell to allow extra to be released into Lake Mead, putting off the Lower Colorado River Basin water emergency for another year, maybe two.
Glad it’s hot somewhere. Highs here (West Denver suburbs) on Saturday and Sunday just past were 58 and 61. Some of the roads over the high mountain passes were snowed in again, drifts up to five feet deep. There’s enough snow up in the high country that Denver Water’s reservoir system is going to hit 100% full even if it doesn’t rain again for a couple months. Bureau of Reclamation says there will be enough water flowing into Lake Powell to allow extra to be released into Lake Mead, putting off the Lower Colorado River Basin water emergency for another year, maybe two.
Here in the middle of Texas and passed the middle of June the temperatures are having trouble even getting near the mid-90s (95°F—35°C). Didn’t even reach 90° today.
Here in the middle of Texas and passed the middle of June the temperatures are having trouble even getting near the mid-90s (95°F—35°C). Didn’t even reach 90° today.
Northern California is actually cooling down, to highs in the low 80s. (vs over 195 a week ago.) But it won’t last.
And thanks to heavy rains last winter, we are looking towards a wild fire season for the ages. Until next year….
Northern California is actually cooling down, to highs in the low 80s. (vs over 195 a week ago.) But it won’t last.
And thanks to heavy rains last winter, we are looking towards a wild fire season for the ages. Until next year….
Meanwhile, it’s in the mid-90s this week here in Marrakech. What kind of loon schedules a conference in Morocco in summer??? But here we are.
Well, as they say in Phoenix, “at least it’s a dry heat.” Ha!
Meanwhile, it’s in the mid-90s this week here in Marrakech. What kind of loon schedules a conference in Morocco in summer??? But here we are.
Well, as they say in Phoenix, “at least it’s a dry heat.” Ha!
expecting mid 90s all week in NC. currently 90% humidity (but’s it’s early AM)
expecting mid 90s all week in NC. currently 90% humidity (but’s it’s early AM)
Meanwhile, back in the land of the blind leading the blind, we haven’t had a summer yet but have now jumped straight to quite warm (75F), humid, airless and sunless (at least in London). It seems appropriate somehow.
Meanwhile, back in the land of the blind leading the blind, we haven’t had a summer yet but have now jumped straight to quite warm (75F), humid, airless and sunless (at least in London). It seems appropriate somehow.
I read that first as “humid, airless and soulless”. Which seems appropriate, too. Even if it’s not what you wrote.
I read that first as “humid, airless and soulless”. Which seems appropriate, too. Even if it’s not what you wrote.
Are you going to get to anywhere else on Morocco wj! Fascinating place.
Are you going to get to anywhere else on Morocco wj! Fascinating place.
The medina in Fez is pretty amazing, the closest I can imagine to being in the middle ages. I stayed in a wonderful place there, called Dar Seffarine (which I can wholeheartedly recommend), and loved almost everything about Fez (which I am told is much less touristy/westernised than Marrakesh). Of course, I was less freaked out by e.g. the extremely graphic nature of the butchers’ stalls because of my childhood in HK and other travels, but you ObWiers are a pretty cosmopolitan bunch, I don’t think you’d be too freaked out either. Well worth a trip, if anybody is considering it.
The medina in Fez is pretty amazing, the closest I can imagine to being in the middle ages. I stayed in a wonderful place there, called Dar Seffarine (which I can wholeheartedly recommend), and loved almost everything about Fez (which I am told is much less touristy/westernised than Marrakesh). Of course, I was less freaked out by e.g. the extremely graphic nature of the butchers’ stalls because of my childhood in HK and other travels, but you ObWiers are a pretty cosmopolitan bunch, I don’t think you’d be too freaked out either. Well worth a trip, if anybody is considering it.
…and loved almost everything about Fez (which I am told is much less touristy/westernised than Marrakesh).
Going off on a small tangent here, but this struck me funny because Fez and Marrakesh are the names of the two Moroccan restaurants I’ve been to in Philadelphia. The roles are kind of reversed, though. Fez is more prominent and easy to find, like a typical restaurant, whereas Marrakesh is in a little alley, has no sign or windows, only accepts people with reservations, and you have to knock on the door to be allowed in – only after they verify your reservation, of course. It’s like going to a Moroccan-food speakeasy. (At least that’s how it was when I was there. It’s been a number of years.)
…and loved almost everything about Fez (which I am told is much less touristy/westernised than Marrakesh).
Going off on a small tangent here, but this struck me funny because Fez and Marrakesh are the names of the two Moroccan restaurants I’ve been to in Philadelphia. The roles are kind of reversed, though. Fez is more prominent and easy to find, like a typical restaurant, whereas Marrakesh is in a little alley, has no sign or windows, only accepts people with reservations, and you have to knock on the door to be allowed in – only after they verify your reservation, of course. It’s like going to a Moroccan-food speakeasy. (At least that’s how it was when I was there. It’s been a number of years.)
‘Afraid not. Looks to be bouncing back and forth between the hotel and the conference center (once a day) — all 4 days run meetings 8 AM to after 7 PM. Plus from and to the airport, of course.
I’m doing lots of business travel these days. But the trips tend to be jam packed. With a bunch of to-dos generated to discourage staying on after. Sigh. Maybe after I retire….
‘Afraid not. Looks to be bouncing back and forth between the hotel and the conference center (once a day) — all 4 days run meetings 8 AM to after 7 PM. Plus from and to the airport, of course.
I’m doing lots of business travel these days. But the trips tend to be jam packed. With a bunch of to-dos generated to discourage staying on after. Sigh. Maybe after I retire….
“Any child is free to leave at any time”…
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/children-border-locks-michael-burgess.html
“Any child is free to leave at any time”…
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/children-border-locks-michael-burgess.html
“Any child is free to leave at any time”
— Count Olaf, waiting for the Baudelaire kids to show themselves, knowing they’re the only ones brave enough to try to make an escape through the desert.
“Any child is free to leave at any time”
— Count Olaf, waiting for the Baudelaire kids to show themselves, knowing they’re the only ones brave enough to try to make an escape through the desert.
Michael Burgess is outfitted with an ankle tracing bracelet.
I know where he is at all times.
Once he is in my clutches, he ain’t going nowhere.
Michael Burgess is outfitted with an ankle tracing bracelet.
I know where he is at all times.
Once he is in my clutches, he ain’t going nowhere.
Existential:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/magazine/hypersonic-missiles.html
There needs to be a top secret international organization, a militia completely independent of all governments, corporations, and international bodies, with highly trained sleeper operatives devoid of all ideology and loyalty to anyone or any leader or any country, placed in every country on Earth, which springs into action when an app alerts them and murders any leader and all of his lieutenants and all of their families immediately when any plan is hatched to launch these missiles or when the missiles are launched.
The killers, leaving no traces of their movements, can make up for lost time by slaughtering anyone, anywhere on Earth who has requested, designed, funded, and manufactured these weapons up until now.
As a backup to this manually-operated doomsday machine for fucking murderous leaders, every leader and all of his family members, upon his or her assumption of a country’s leadership, will be outfitted with tiny nuclear warheads and detonators, worn as a stylish hat, never to be removed while in leadership, even while sleeping, and anchored with bolts drilled into their skulls, which will be detonated immediately upon any attempt to place these weapons into operation and/or to use them.
Or, we, all 8 billion of us powerless proles on Earth, can go on permanent strike by simultaneously killing ourselves and leaving no one, not a single bugler, not a single cadet, not a single cute chick on a fucking military float, to have a parade for whatever murderous subhuman leader happens to win the next war.
This last provision of course would not faze many of the world’s dear leaders, especially our American numero uno, narcissistic, egomaniacal piece of subhuman litter box liner, who is a one-man parade for himself, so he needs a hat tout suite, without delay.
Existential:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/magazine/hypersonic-missiles.html
There needs to be a top secret international organization, a militia completely independent of all governments, corporations, and international bodies, with highly trained sleeper operatives devoid of all ideology and loyalty to anyone or any leader or any country, placed in every country on Earth, which springs into action when an app alerts them and murders any leader and all of his lieutenants and all of their families immediately when any plan is hatched to launch these missiles or when the missiles are launched.
The killers, leaving no traces of their movements, can make up for lost time by slaughtering anyone, anywhere on Earth who has requested, designed, funded, and manufactured these weapons up until now.
As a backup to this manually-operated doomsday machine for fucking murderous leaders, every leader and all of his family members, upon his or her assumption of a country’s leadership, will be outfitted with tiny nuclear warheads and detonators, worn as a stylish hat, never to be removed while in leadership, even while sleeping, and anchored with bolts drilled into their skulls, which will be detonated immediately upon any attempt to place these weapons into operation and/or to use them.
Or, we, all 8 billion of us powerless proles on Earth, can go on permanent strike by simultaneously killing ourselves and leaving no one, not a single bugler, not a single cadet, not a single cute chick on a fucking military float, to have a parade for whatever murderous subhuman leader happens to win the next war.
This last provision of course would not faze many of the world’s dear leaders, especially our American numero uno, narcissistic, egomaniacal piece of subhuman litter box liner, who is a one-man parade for himself, so he needs a hat tout suite, without delay.
Placing sanctions on the already dead:
https://juanitajean.com/all-wound-up-and-ready-to-holler/
I’m happy to see Iran’s leaders eschewed political correctness, as all conservatives in the world do, and called p “retarded”.
Goes well with deplorable.
Placing sanctions on the already dead:
https://juanitajean.com/all-wound-up-and-ready-to-holler/
I’m happy to see Iran’s leaders eschewed political correctness, as all conservatives in the world do, and called p “retarded”.
Goes well with deplorable.
I kinda of wish, actually I would wholeheartedly endorse John McCain’s North Vietnamese fascist captors dispensing with the torture and tiger cages and just thoroughly gelding him, and warning him not to enlist Sarah Death Panel in his Presidential aspirations, and sending him ball-less on his way home after his capture:
https://splinternews.com/meghan-mccain-makes-the-child-detention-scandal-all-abo-1835847246
Who knew rank, malignant dumbocity would be the main beneficiary of America’s long corrupt tradition of unearned, qualification-free nepotism.
I kinda of wish, actually I would wholeheartedly endorse John McCain’s North Vietnamese fascist captors dispensing with the torture and tiger cages and just thoroughly gelding him, and warning him not to enlist Sarah Death Panel in his Presidential aspirations, and sending him ball-less on his way home after his capture:
https://splinternews.com/meghan-mccain-makes-the-child-detention-scandal-all-abo-1835847246
Who knew rank, malignant dumbocity would be the main beneficiary of America’s long corrupt tradition of unearned, qualification-free nepotism.
Well at least the already dead won’t go dissing him by pointing out his mental deficiencies.
Well at least the already dead won’t go dissing him by pointing out his mental deficiencies.
Mike Pence will get the same treatment from p when the two of them are impeached, arrested, tried, and executed, though there are a couple of steps in there that could be skipped, thus saving money, in our now rule-of-the lawless country:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-border-chief-resignation-john-sanders
Mike Pence will get the same treatment from p when the two of them are impeached, arrested, tried, and executed, though there are a couple of steps in there that could be skipped, thus saving money, in our now rule-of-the lawless country:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-border-chief-resignation-john-sanders
On SCOTUS Armageddon:
This week, Roberts has the opportunity to go down in history as America’s last Chief Justice.
If the Caller of Balls and Strikes joins with the Pervert, the Perjurer, the Receiver of Stolen Goods, and the SOTU Headshaker on his side of the bench in effectively ruling that once Republicans grab power The Law says they can keep it forever (the American version of “One man, one vote, one time”) then the SCOTUS will have established itself as just another fascist think-tank — a purely political instrument of the would-be dictatorship He, Trump and his lickspittles have wet dreams about.
And if Roberts does that, I would renew my call for RBG, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan to resign en masse. Not quietly or politely; not with civility or decorum; but with enough noise and invective to drive home the point: the American experiment in democracy was good while it lasted.
–TP
On SCOTUS Armageddon:
This week, Roberts has the opportunity to go down in history as America’s last Chief Justice.
If the Caller of Balls and Strikes joins with the Pervert, the Perjurer, the Receiver of Stolen Goods, and the SOTU Headshaker on his side of the bench in effectively ruling that once Republicans grab power The Law says they can keep it forever (the American version of “One man, one vote, one time”) then the SCOTUS will have established itself as just another fascist think-tank — a purely political instrument of the would-be dictatorship He, Trump and his lickspittles have wet dreams about.
And if Roberts does that, I would renew my call for RBG, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan to resign en masse. Not quietly or politely; not with civility or decorum; but with enough noise and invective to drive home the point: the American experiment in democracy was good while it lasted.
–TP
TP,
I feel your pain, but I don’t believe these resignations would make the GOP pay a political price for what they are doing to this country. If the Court says gerrymandering is just hunky-dory, then within 6 months there should be absolutely no GOP legislators left at the state or federal level in WA, CAL, ORE, NY, NJ, MA, etc. They should be gerrymandered out of existence.
Will this mean that states like Wisconsin would respond in kind? Little bit late there, I’d say.
TP,
I feel your pain, but I don’t believe these resignations would make the GOP pay a political price for what they are doing to this country. If the Court says gerrymandering is just hunky-dory, then within 6 months there should be absolutely no GOP legislators left at the state or federal level in WA, CAL, ORE, NY, NJ, MA, etc. They should be gerrymandered out of existence.
Will this mean that states like Wisconsin would respond in kind? Little bit late there, I’d say.
Tony P, since you have a great fondness for the civilised invective of a bygone age, I may have told you before about the famous barrister F E Smith, who became the first Lord Birkenhead. He was a great friend of Churchill, and at least as famous a wit, and certainly rather brave in insulting judges before whom he was appearing. If I have posted this small selection before, forgive me, but I cannot resist in case I haven’t (the penultimate one is my favourite):
Judge: You are extremely offensive, young man!
Smith: As a matter of fact we both are; and the only difference between us is that I am trying to be, and you can’t help it.
Quoted in F.E. : The Life of F. E. Smith First Earl of Birkenhead (1933) by Frederick Second Earl of Birkenhead, 1959 edition, Ch 9.
Judge: What do you suppose I am on the bench for?
Smith: It is not for me, Your Honour, to attempt to fathom the inscrutable workings of Providence.
Quoted in F.E. : The Life of F. E. Smith First Earl of Birkenhead (1933) by Frederick Second Earl of Birkenhead, 1959 edition, Ch 9.
Churchill has spent the best years of his life preparing impromptu remarks.
Quoted in A Politician Must Watch His Wit by Clayton Fritchley in The New York Times Magazine (3 July 1960), p. 31.
Judge: I’ve listened to you for an hour and I’m none wiser.
Smith: None the wiser, perhaps, my lord but certainly better informed.
Quoted in “London Letter” by Francis Cowper in New York Law Journal (28 August 1961), p. 4.
High Court judge presiding in a sodomy case, seeking advice on sentencing: “Could you tell me, what do you think one ought to give a man who allows himself to be buggered?”
Smith: “Oh, thirty shillings or two pounds; whatever you happen to have on you.”
A 1924 entry in Evelyn Waugh’s diary, cited in The Times 23 May 2006, Law supplement p.7
Tony P, since you have a great fondness for the civilised invective of a bygone age, I may have told you before about the famous barrister F E Smith, who became the first Lord Birkenhead. He was a great friend of Churchill, and at least as famous a wit, and certainly rather brave in insulting judges before whom he was appearing. If I have posted this small selection before, forgive me, but I cannot resist in case I haven’t (the penultimate one is my favourite):
Judge: You are extremely offensive, young man!
Smith: As a matter of fact we both are; and the only difference between us is that I am trying to be, and you can’t help it.
Quoted in F.E. : The Life of F. E. Smith First Earl of Birkenhead (1933) by Frederick Second Earl of Birkenhead, 1959 edition, Ch 9.
Judge: What do you suppose I am on the bench for?
Smith: It is not for me, Your Honour, to attempt to fathom the inscrutable workings of Providence.
Quoted in F.E. : The Life of F. E. Smith First Earl of Birkenhead (1933) by Frederick Second Earl of Birkenhead, 1959 edition, Ch 9.
Churchill has spent the best years of his life preparing impromptu remarks.
Quoted in A Politician Must Watch His Wit by Clayton Fritchley in The New York Times Magazine (3 July 1960), p. 31.
Judge: I’ve listened to you for an hour and I’m none wiser.
Smith: None the wiser, perhaps, my lord but certainly better informed.
Quoted in “London Letter” by Francis Cowper in New York Law Journal (28 August 1961), p. 4.
High Court judge presiding in a sodomy case, seeking advice on sentencing: “Could you tell me, what do you think one ought to give a man who allows himself to be buggered?”
Smith: “Oh, thirty shillings or two pounds; whatever you happen to have on you.”
A 1924 entry in Evelyn Waugh’s diary, cited in The Times 23 May 2006, Law supplement p.7
When those right wing filth try to cross the Oregon State line to return to their burned out homes, the Democratic Governor of Oregon should dispatch liberal militia to shoot them dead in their heads.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oregon-climate-change-bill-apparently-defeated-gop-senators
When those right wing filth try to cross the Oregon State line to return to their burned out homes, the Democratic Governor of Oregon should dispatch liberal militia to shoot them dead in their heads.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oregon-climate-change-bill-apparently-defeated-gop-senators
Yes, but will butt hurt conservative filth Erick Erickson take his wife’s shotgun with him, and goddamned use it, to enable delivery of the charity he wants to deliver to the immigrant kids:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/25/1867106/-Border-Patrol-officials-in-Texas-are-turning-down-diaper-and-toy-donations-for-jailed-kids
If the government was run by Obama or Clinton, he would threaten violence. Well, he’d push his wife in front of him and issues threats of what SHE might do, he being a vermin right wing Christian and all.
But a government run by fascist, violent conservative authoritarians, well, now, by God it’s sacred law.
Yes, but will butt hurt conservative filth Erick Erickson take his wife’s shotgun with him, and goddamned use it, to enable delivery of the charity he wants to deliver to the immigrant kids:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/25/1867106/-Border-Patrol-officials-in-Texas-are-turning-down-diaper-and-toy-donations-for-jailed-kids
If the government was run by Obama or Clinton, he would threaten violence. Well, he’d push his wife in front of him and issues threats of what SHE might do, he being a vermin right wing Christian and all.
But a government run by fascist, violent conservative authoritarians, well, now, by God it’s sacred law.
…then within 6 months there should be absolutely no GOP legislators left at the state or federal level in WA, CAL, ORE, NY, NJ, MA, etc.
Several Dem trifecta states — CA, CO, NJ, NY, and WA at least — would require state constitutional amendments, or state supreme courts willing to rule maps that clearly violate the relevant state constitution are okay. My own opinion is that at least in the western states, you couldn’t get the amendments passed or get the supreme courts to play along.
…then within 6 months there should be absolutely no GOP legislators left at the state or federal level in WA, CAL, ORE, NY, NJ, MA, etc.
Several Dem trifecta states — CA, CO, NJ, NY, and WA at least — would require state constitutional amendments, or state supreme courts willing to rule maps that clearly violate the relevant state constitution are okay. My own opinion is that at least in the western states, you couldn’t get the amendments passed or get the supreme courts to play along.
I have long thought that gerrymandering (and voter suppression, and outright ballot-box stuffing) are akin to cheating on your pilot’s license exam. Sure, you obtain a certificate that says you can fly the plane. But do you really want to?
He, Trump and his praetorian guard of Republican miscreants and Federalist Society royalists in black robes imagine that they can pilot a democracy as long as they get “certified” to do so, by hook or by crook. They assume that the passengers will sit still for it even after they realize they outnumber the cheats and swindlers in the cockpit.
The terrible thing is that EVERYBODY dies in the crash.
–TP
I have long thought that gerrymandering (and voter suppression, and outright ballot-box stuffing) are akin to cheating on your pilot’s license exam. Sure, you obtain a certificate that says you can fly the plane. But do you really want to?
He, Trump and his praetorian guard of Republican miscreants and Federalist Society royalists in black robes imagine that they can pilot a democracy as long as they get “certified” to do so, by hook or by crook. They assume that the passengers will sit still for it even after they realize they outnumber the cheats and swindlers in the cockpit.
The terrible thing is that EVERYBODY dies in the crash.
–TP
The only depredation of fracking, according to capitalists: investors and the sucker landowners and local gummints who either gave or were suckered into giving over their property for the practice, were screwed:
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3473637-fracking-revolution-disaster-investors-says-former-eqt-boss
“The terrible thing is that EVERYBODY dies in the crash.”
Flight 93 provided a heroic example when the right wing religious and ideological conservatives who took over the cockpit were challenged by their captive normal people, we passengers.
Probably what will happen is we crash, but the conservatives die with us, one micro-second before we do, and don’t reach their ultimate target.
The only depredation of fracking, according to capitalists: investors and the sucker landowners and local gummints who either gave or were suckered into giving over their property for the practice, were screwed:
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3473637-fracking-revolution-disaster-investors-says-former-eqt-boss
“The terrible thing is that EVERYBODY dies in the crash.”
Flight 93 provided a heroic example when the right wing religious and ideological conservatives who took over the cockpit were challenged by their captive normal people, we passengers.
Probably what will happen is we crash, but the conservatives die with us, one micro-second before we do, and don’t reach their ultimate target.
The terrible thing is that EVERYBODY dies in the crash.
But they die with the most toys.
The terrible thing is that EVERYBODY dies in the crash.
But they die with the most toys.
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/06/25/open-thread-duncan-hunter-gop-poster-boy-of-the-week/
The Republican Party grooms and finances psychopaths and creeps to run for political office and destroy our government and America. If they have a history of abusing their families, perhaps even raping some of them, this is an important bullet point on their resumes which catapults them to the top of the candidate heap because it illustrates their qualifications for destroying government and the raping the country.
It is important to generalize about all conservatives from these supposedly isolated examples. After all, that’s what conservatives have done to us all my life, the scum.
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/06/25/open-thread-duncan-hunter-gop-poster-boy-of-the-week/
The Republican Party grooms and finances psychopaths and creeps to run for political office and destroy our government and America. If they have a history of abusing their families, perhaps even raping some of them, this is an important bullet point on their resumes which catapults them to the top of the candidate heap because it illustrates their qualifications for destroying government and the raping the country.
It is important to generalize about all conservatives from these supposedly isolated examples. After all, that’s what conservatives have done to us all my life, the scum.
How many isolated examples do we need to prove the massive generality of republican/conservative perversion and evil:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/25/trumps-chief-of-protocol-pulled-off-the-job-ahead-of-g-20.html
They still observe protocol?
In what?
The finer points of pussy-grabbing?
Statecraft?
Diplomacy?
Lying?
Cheating?
Normalizing all of the above?
It should be quite easy to normalize nationwide violence against the conservative movement.
I think the NRA prints off-the-shelf how-to manuals on it, but you just have to change the names of the targets.
The violent Malheur provacateurs are at it again in Oregon.
The Obama Administration and our useless conservative courts normalized those filth by first, not sending in armed military to slaughter them several years ago, and second by then absolving most of them instead of sentencing them to savage death penalties.
Finally, I’ve become a law and order republican.
It’s so liberating.
How many isolated examples do we need to prove the massive generality of republican/conservative perversion and evil:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/25/trumps-chief-of-protocol-pulled-off-the-job-ahead-of-g-20.html
They still observe protocol?
In what?
The finer points of pussy-grabbing?
Statecraft?
Diplomacy?
Lying?
Cheating?
Normalizing all of the above?
It should be quite easy to normalize nationwide violence against the conservative movement.
I think the NRA prints off-the-shelf how-to manuals on it, but you just have to change the names of the targets.
The violent Malheur provacateurs are at it again in Oregon.
The Obama Administration and our useless conservative courts normalized those filth by first, not sending in armed military to slaughter them several years ago, and second by then absolving most of them instead of sentencing them to savage death penalties.
Finally, I’ve become a law and order republican.
It’s so liberating.
If only the Supreme Leader would write a beautiful letter to p, praising his hair and the bulge in the front of his pants, we could have peace in my lifetime.
https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2019/06/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-exit-strategies.html
All 20 Democratic Presidential candidates who are going to participate in the 20-car train wreck the next two days, should make it their business to praise dear leader to the American God in the skies in every answer they give the next two evenings, no matter the subject matter of the question.
They should chant “Lock Her Up!” in harmonies at the end of the debates, when asked about Hillary Clinton.
Maybe p would let all of them move into the White House, vote be damned, which it is anyway.
If only the Supreme Leader would write a beautiful letter to p, praising his hair and the bulge in the front of his pants, we could have peace in my lifetime.
https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2019/06/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-exit-strategies.html
All 20 Democratic Presidential candidates who are going to participate in the 20-car train wreck the next two days, should make it their business to praise dear leader to the American God in the skies in every answer they give the next two evenings, no matter the subject matter of the question.
They should chant “Lock Her Up!” in harmonies at the end of the debates, when asked about Hillary Clinton.
Maybe p would let all of them move into the White House, vote be damned, which it is anyway.
Duncan took time out from literally fucking EVERYONE, all nice republican christian whores, to do this:
https://hunter.house.gov/press-release/hunter-recognizes-%E2%80%9Csanctity-human-life-day%E2%80%9D
He also sponsored legislation to have his dick displayed at the Smithsonian in the Hall of Very Small American Artifacts, sharing a case with p’s brain, and the heads of Louis Gohmert’s children.
It wasn’t specified whether this will occur before or after Hunter’s extremely timely death.
Duncan took time out from literally fucking EVERYONE, all nice republican christian whores, to do this:
https://hunter.house.gov/press-release/hunter-recognizes-%E2%80%9Csanctity-human-life-day%E2%80%9D
He also sponsored legislation to have his dick displayed at the Smithsonian in the Hall of Very Small American Artifacts, sharing a case with p’s brain, and the heads of Louis Gohmert’s children.
It wasn’t specified whether this will occur before or after Hunter’s extremely timely death.
Three and a third out of ten republicans believe it fine and dandy to discriminate in everyday America against Muslims, and its pretty close for the other OTHERS as well.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/a-third-of-republicans-think-its-ok-to-refuse-service-to-muslims/
The folks coming into the land of the free under the three out of ten democrats totally open borders plan should inform those fleeing to our shores that we are as full of shit as where they came from, but exceptionally so, if you include the bragging that ten out of ten conservatives like to do while they are refusing you service.
Three and a third out of ten republicans believe it fine and dandy to discriminate in everyday America against Muslims, and its pretty close for the other OTHERS as well.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/a-third-of-republicans-think-its-ok-to-refuse-service-to-muslims/
The folks coming into the land of the free under the three out of ten democrats totally open borders plan should inform those fleeing to our shores that we are as full of shit as where they came from, but exceptionally so, if you include the bragging that ten out of ten conservatives like to do while they are refusing you service.
The base.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/06/26/asia-pacific/one-third-americans-back-nuclear-strike-north-korea-even-killed-million-civilians-survey-shows/
Over one-third of Americans would back a preventive attack by the U.S. on North Korea — including one using nuclear weapons — despite knowing it would kill some 1 million civilians, an innovative new survey has found.
According to the survey, published Monday by The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in collaboration with U.K.-based research firm YouGov, one of the most “disconcerting” findings was that “a large hawkish minority lurks within the U.S. public; over a third of respondents approve of a U.S. preventive strike across the scenarios and appear insensitive to informational cues that most security experts would expect to reduce such levels of support.”
Surprisingly, the researchers found, little changed when the scenarios were switched from a conventional to a nuclear attack. Rather, it said, “33 percent preferred a preventive nuclear first-strike.”
“Even more disturbing: There is no significant change in the percentage who would prefer or approve of a U.S. nuclear strike when the number of estimated North Korean fatalities increases from 15,000 to 1.1 million, including 1 million civilians,” the researchers behind the survey wrote….
The base.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/06/26/asia-pacific/one-third-americans-back-nuclear-strike-north-korea-even-killed-million-civilians-survey-shows/
Over one-third of Americans would back a preventive attack by the U.S. on North Korea — including one using nuclear weapons — despite knowing it would kill some 1 million civilians, an innovative new survey has found.
According to the survey, published Monday by The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in collaboration with U.K.-based research firm YouGov, one of the most “disconcerting” findings was that “a large hawkish minority lurks within the U.S. public; over a third of respondents approve of a U.S. preventive strike across the scenarios and appear insensitive to informational cues that most security experts would expect to reduce such levels of support.”
Surprisingly, the researchers found, little changed when the scenarios were switched from a conventional to a nuclear attack. Rather, it said, “33 percent preferred a preventive nuclear first-strike.”
“Even more disturbing: There is no significant change in the percentage who would prefer or approve of a U.S. nuclear strike when the number of estimated North Korean fatalities increases from 15,000 to 1.1 million, including 1 million civilians,” the researchers behind the survey wrote….
more from the article:
more from the article:
One has to wonder: is it just North Korea? Or would they say the same about Iran? About China? About Russia? About Mexico?
That is, are they generally fine with a nuclear strike on anyone we have a dispute with? Or just any non-nuclear country? (Thus justifying, whether they realize it or not, Kim’s quest for nuclear weapons.) Or is it just North Korea that they are down on for some reason? (And I’m assuming they don’t know, or don’t care, about the millions of casualties in South Korea which the North would inflict in response.)
One has to wonder: is it just North Korea? Or would they say the same about Iran? About China? About Russia? About Mexico?
That is, are they generally fine with a nuclear strike on anyone we have a dispute with? Or just any non-nuclear country? (Thus justifying, whether they realize it or not, Kim’s quest for nuclear weapons.) Or is it just North Korea that they are down on for some reason? (And I’m assuming they don’t know, or don’t care, about the millions of casualties in South Korea which the North would inflict in response.)
A plurality are generally fine with a nuclear strike on California.
A plurality are generally fine with a nuclear strike on California.
Not sure about Russia.
That might shut down their fake news services.
Not sure about Russia.
That might shut down their fake news services.
Not sure about Russia.
That might shut down their fake news services.
Ah, but do they know that?
Not sure about Russia.
That might shut down their fake news services.
Ah, but do they know that?
The theme of the Democratic debates on how to move America off its diet of conservative shit is:
Beyond Meat.
The theme of the Democratic debates on how to move America off its diet of conservative shit is:
Beyond Meat.
Beyond Meat**
But what Fox, Trump, et al. feed their fans isn’t real meat (raw or otherwise). Think of it as flavored tofu, merely claiming to be prime rib.
** Would I be correct that the acronym was deliberate?
Beyond Meat**
But what Fox, Trump, et al. feed their fans isn’t real meat (raw or otherwise). Think of it as flavored tofu, merely claiming to be prime rib.
** Would I be correct that the acronym was deliberate?
Not sure what you mean by “acronym”, but if it’s what I think you mean, thank you for adding some double to the entendre.
Beyond Meat is the hot little new issue in the stock market at the moment. It soars one day, plunges the next as bullshitters on both sides manipulate the thing.
They produce patties of vege burgers, for the most part. It’s hot, hot, hot, the very latest let me tell ya. Like an app, only you eat it.
Jim Cramer issued both buy and sell recommendations one morning last week and then revered himself in the afternoon with sell and buy ratings.
I don’t quite understand why vegetarians need to have the form and shape of a burger maintained to get their vege jones on.
This trend is a little like McDonald’s serving ground beef in the shape of carrots or peas and calling it “Meat By Any Other Name”, so that somehow beef eaters are convincing themselves they are consuming plants.
Elon Musk is cogitating about creating a new Tesla model out of ground beef shaped like an aerodynamic eggplant, then shooting it into orbit around Mars, where alien life forms can try to figure how genuinely fucked up and self-delusional human life is on Earth before invading us while disguising themselves as meat patties made of palatable bean paste.
This speaks to Russell’s points about human migrations and immigration:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/june/world-refugee-day-uscirf-resettlement-persecution-us.html
Apparently Evangelicals are rightly concerned about this trend, but want to tow the overall p line just the same on account of their agreement with his pussy-grabbing ways.
If they could figure out how to disguise pussy-grabbing as humane outreach to human migrants, or vice versa, they could sell it.
Every product in entrepreneurial America should be trademarked under the logo: “It’s Not What You Think. Or Maybe It Is. Whatever.”
Not sure what you mean by “acronym”, but if it’s what I think you mean, thank you for adding some double to the entendre.
Beyond Meat is the hot little new issue in the stock market at the moment. It soars one day, plunges the next as bullshitters on both sides manipulate the thing.
They produce patties of vege burgers, for the most part. It’s hot, hot, hot, the very latest let me tell ya. Like an app, only you eat it.
Jim Cramer issued both buy and sell recommendations one morning last week and then revered himself in the afternoon with sell and buy ratings.
I don’t quite understand why vegetarians need to have the form and shape of a burger maintained to get their vege jones on.
This trend is a little like McDonald’s serving ground beef in the shape of carrots or peas and calling it “Meat By Any Other Name”, so that somehow beef eaters are convincing themselves they are consuming plants.
Elon Musk is cogitating about creating a new Tesla model out of ground beef shaped like an aerodynamic eggplant, then shooting it into orbit around Mars, where alien life forms can try to figure how genuinely fucked up and self-delusional human life is on Earth before invading us while disguising themselves as meat patties made of palatable bean paste.
This speaks to Russell’s points about human migrations and immigration:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/june/world-refugee-day-uscirf-resettlement-persecution-us.html
Apparently Evangelicals are rightly concerned about this trend, but want to tow the overall p line just the same on account of their agreement with his pussy-grabbing ways.
If they could figure out how to disguise pussy-grabbing as humane outreach to human migrants, or vice versa, they could sell it.
Every product in entrepreneurial America should be trademarked under the logo: “It’s Not What You Think. Or Maybe It Is. Whatever.”
Cramer did in fact revere himself while reversing himself.
Cramer did in fact revere himself while reversing himself.
I don’t quite understand why vegetarians need to have the form and shape of a burger maintained to get their vege jones on.
i think about it in the other direction: it’s better as a way to get meat eaters off the bone, and onto the stalk.
I don’t quite understand why vegetarians need to have the form and shape of a burger maintained to get their vege jones on.
i think about it in the other direction: it’s better as a way to get meat eaters off the bone, and onto the stalk.
Why not breed cauliflower to look like cows and moo, from the get go right out of the ground?
Cowiflower. Ughelicious!
How bout a stalk of celery shaped and gene-manipulated to taste like a Snickers Bar?
Or a cigarette?
And what of the cannibal market?
Human flesh-flavored gummy bears for those survival treks into the wilderness.
Or perhaps, a brussel sprout flavored and scented suntan lotion to keep your cannibal friends at bay, or conversely, to enhance their diet when the chips are down.
Everything in America is pure presentation.
Nothing is real.
It doesn’t matter much to me.
Why not breed cauliflower to look like cows and moo, from the get go right out of the ground?
Cowiflower. Ughelicious!
How bout a stalk of celery shaped and gene-manipulated to taste like a Snickers Bar?
Or a cigarette?
And what of the cannibal market?
Human flesh-flavored gummy bears for those survival treks into the wilderness.
Or perhaps, a brussel sprout flavored and scented suntan lotion to keep your cannibal friends at bay, or conversely, to enhance their diet when the chips are down.
Everything in America is pure presentation.
Nothing is real.
It doesn’t matter much to me.
This is the new FOX meme: Mueller has not read the Mueller report and knows nothing about what is in it.
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/06/26/fox-friends-brian-kilmeade-robert-mueller-does-not-know-details-mueller-report/224045
I suppose in the same sense that Kilmeade and company know nothing about the insides of their colons despite their heads being firmly up there studying it in detail with their tongues for most of this century.
Or kind of like if God, having hired a holy ghost-writer, found out what was really in the Bible, he’d disavow nearly all of it except the begettings, because they are rather fun to ponder.
They, like some here, are still stumped that Mueller is a loyal Republican, not Emma Goldman.
This is the new FOX meme: Mueller has not read the Mueller report and knows nothing about what is in it.
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/06/26/fox-friends-brian-kilmeade-robert-mueller-does-not-know-details-mueller-report/224045
I suppose in the same sense that Kilmeade and company know nothing about the insides of their colons despite their heads being firmly up there studying it in detail with their tongues for most of this century.
Or kind of like if God, having hired a holy ghost-writer, found out what was really in the Bible, he’d disavow nearly all of it except the begettings, because they are rather fun to ponder.
They, like some here, are still stumped that Mueller is a loyal Republican, not Emma Goldman.
Ya know, if I’da known the republican party was a sex cult rather than just a sado-masochistic death panel cult, Ida stayed registered as a republican just for the swag, because apparently FOX blondes do have more fun:
https://juanitajean.com/all-the-best-sexy-people/
Another isolated incident in the hopper.
This keeps up and we are going to have to convert the Presidential Seal into a dic pic.
And they say liberals are the only ones interested in the plumbing.
Ya know, if I’da known the republican party was a sex cult rather than just a sado-masochistic death panel cult, Ida stayed registered as a republican just for the swag, because apparently FOX blondes do have more fun:
https://juanitajean.com/all-the-best-sexy-people/
Another isolated incident in the hopper.
This keeps up and we are going to have to convert the Presidential Seal into a dic pic.
And they say liberals are the only ones interested in the plumbing.
This is the new FOX meme: Mueller has not read the Mueller report and knows nothing about what is in it.
times like this i feel that Fox News must be part of a giant psychological experiment. the Fox News component is there to sift through the public and, by slowly increasing the level of ludicrousness in its programming, isolate the top 0.1% of the most gullible.
one that filtering is complete, the next stage will begin. but what that stage is, is yet to be disclosed.
This is the new FOX meme: Mueller has not read the Mueller report and knows nothing about what is in it.
times like this i feel that Fox News must be part of a giant psychological experiment. the Fox News component is there to sift through the public and, by slowly increasing the level of ludicrousness in its programming, isolate the top 0.1% of the most gullible.
one that filtering is complete, the next stage will begin. but what that stage is, is yet to be disclosed.
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/06/26/unhinged-open-thread/
Maria Bartiromo, the talent- and merit-less know-nothing political operative, but not terrible looking, for a guy, which is why the money shot honey was hired by CNBC in the first place all those years ago to bat her eyes at the floor traders in pursuit of tips, has submitted to p’s every kinky political request and demand, but you can tell she really doesn’t know quite how to respond when he cums in her mouth right there on the air.
She obviously has not been charging enough for her services to her steady “date”.
Didn’t Ailes groom her for exactly this moment.
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/06/26/unhinged-open-thread/
Maria Bartiromo, the talent- and merit-less know-nothing political operative, but not terrible looking, for a guy, which is why the money shot honey was hired by CNBC in the first place all those years ago to bat her eyes at the floor traders in pursuit of tips, has submitted to p’s every kinky political request and demand, but you can tell she really doesn’t know quite how to respond when he cums in her mouth right there on the air.
She obviously has not been charging enough for her services to her steady “date”.
Didn’t Ailes groom her for exactly this moment.
To the contrary, the bar employee is a fine, patriotic American and should be honored with his likeness in statuary in every town square in America.
After all, Daddy p shits all over the flag and America and Americans every day and there HE is in the rancid flesh.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/eric-trump-spit-chicago
That there was not a second spitter on the grassy knoll shows that there is still too much politically correct tolerance in America.
Meanwhile, the lady should consider all of the Whoppers and Big Macs going to waste:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-fight-women-soccer-white-house
Why not wear an NRA-emblazoned leather jacket and
try to carry into the White House for the ceremony?
Surely, that would be acceptable to conservatives.
To the contrary, the bar employee is a fine, patriotic American and should be honored with his likeness in statuary in every town square in America.
After all, Daddy p shits all over the flag and America and Americans every day and there HE is in the rancid flesh.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/eric-trump-spit-chicago
That there was not a second spitter on the grassy knoll shows that there is still too much politically correct tolerance in America.
Meanwhile, the lady should consider all of the Whoppers and Big Macs going to waste:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-fight-women-soccer-white-house
Why not wear an NRA-emblazoned leather jacket and
try to carry into the White House for the ceremony?
Surely, that would be acceptable to conservatives.
still wondering why Megan Rapinoe would prompt him to start shouting about black unemployment.
does he just assume she’s black?
still wondering why Megan Rapinoe would prompt him to start shouting about black unemployment.
does he just assume she’s black?
This is certainly not an original thought, but one that somehow struck me today when reading about the father and daughter who drowned in the Rio Grande, obviously out of desperation to flee terrible circumstances. I thought of the previous generations who came here to flee whatever circumstances, back when we were more in line with the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, at least policy-wise if not culturally. I then thought of the so-called “Greatest Generation” and how many of them must have been immigrants or the children or grandchildren of immigrants.
I guess they were, if not all considered “white” at the time, at least whiter.
The Greatest Generation…
This is certainly not an original thought, but one that somehow struck me today when reading about the father and daughter who drowned in the Rio Grande, obviously out of desperation to flee terrible circumstances. I thought of the previous generations who came here to flee whatever circumstances, back when we were more in line with the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, at least policy-wise if not culturally. I then thought of the so-called “Greatest Generation” and how many of them must have been immigrants or the children or grandchildren of immigrants.
I guess they were, if not all considered “white” at the time, at least whiter.
The Greatest Generation…
does he just assume she’s black?
Anthem protests = support for BLM = Rump defending himself with unemployment numbers.
(Not my math, but Rump’s, probably subconsciously)
does he just assume she’s black?
Anthem protests = support for BLM = Rump defending himself with unemployment numbers.
(Not my math, but Rump’s, probably subconsciously)
Mueller has not read the Mueller report and knows nothing about what is in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mynzbmrtp9I
Oh wait. that was ghost writers not riders….
Mueller has not read the Mueller report and knows nothing about what is in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mynzbmrtp9I
Oh wait. that was ghost writers not riders….
Anthem protests = support for BLM = Rump defending himself with unemployment numbers.
My time working for the legislature in a western state has permanently damaged my brain. I am never going to see BLM in print and not immediately think “Bureau of Land Management.”
Anthem protests = support for BLM = Rump defending himself with unemployment numbers.
My time working for the legislature in a western state has permanently damaged my brain. I am never going to see BLM in print and not immediately think “Bureau of Land Management.”
You need BLM(Buzzword Lifecycle Management).
You need BLM(Buzzword Lifecycle Management).
times like this i feel that Fox News must be part of a giant psychological experiment.
Fox would never make it through the preliminary IRB application to begin human tests.
times like this i feel that Fox News must be part of a giant psychological experiment.
Fox would never make it through the preliminary IRB application to begin human tests.
Any professional literary or art critic* knows as an axiom that the person who knows least about a piece of art or literature is the artist/author him/herself, so his/her opinion on it can be completely ignored as irrelevant.
So, of course Mueller knows nothing and the FOXies everything.
*or schoolteacher that demands that the kids come up with the exact same interpretation as his/her own (or the one (s)he found in a textbook) and get very angry when they form their own opinion or, worse, get an explicit statement by the author contradicting the teacher’s
Any professional literary or art critic* knows as an axiom that the person who knows least about a piece of art or literature is the artist/author him/herself, so his/her opinion on it can be completely ignored as irrelevant.
So, of course Mueller knows nothing and the FOXies everything.
*or schoolteacher that demands that the kids come up with the exact same interpretation as his/her own (or the one (s)he found in a textbook) and get very angry when they form their own opinion or, worse, get an explicit statement by the author contradicting the teacher’s
I am never going to see BLM in print and not immediately think “Bureau of Land Management.”
Does it stand for something else? What did you think I meant?
I am never going to see BLM in print and not immediately think “Bureau of Land Management.”
Does it stand for something else? What did you think I meant?
Blog Literacy Metrics
Blog Literacy Metrics
Bacon, lettuce, and mango
Bacon, lettuce, and mango
Bacon, lettuce and mango provides a counterexample to the thesis that everything is better with bacon. Bacon and mango? Doesn’t really work.
Bacon, lettuce and mango provides a counterexample to the thesis that everything is better with bacon. Bacon and mango? Doesn’t really work.
i bet they’re awesome together!
i bet they’re awesome together!
Given the American habit of eating bacon with sweet things (maple syrup and pancakes for example), I can’t see why mango would be such a stretch. After all, prosciutto with melon or peaches is a thing…
Given the American habit of eating bacon with sweet things (maple syrup and pancakes for example), I can’t see why mango would be such a stretch. After all, prosciutto with melon or peaches is a thing…
google “bacon mango” and all sorts of yummy stuff shows up.
google “bacon mango” and all sorts of yummy stuff shows up.
SCOTUS – “partisan gerrymandering? nope, nothing we can do about that!”
SCOTUS – “partisan gerrymandering? nope, nothing we can do about that!”
Have to wonder why “equal protection” doesn’t encompass having one’s vote accurately reflected in the legislature.
And if the courts “have no role”, then drawing maps at the individual address level, even if that results in polka dots, and one district 100% one party while others are 51% for the other, would be OK. Traditionally, one of the purposes of the courts is to restrain unfairness by the other branches. Guess that’s a dead letter for now.
Roberts has been supposed to care about the reputation of the Court. This makes clear that he’s ok with being totally and visibly partisan. Sad. It will take the Supreme Court as long to reclaim its credibility with the nation as it will take the US, Post Trump, to rebuild its credibility with the rest of the world.
Have to wonder why “equal protection” doesn’t encompass having one’s vote accurately reflected in the legislature.
And if the courts “have no role”, then drawing maps at the individual address level, even if that results in polka dots, and one district 100% one party while others are 51% for the other, would be OK. Traditionally, one of the purposes of the courts is to restrain unfairness by the other branches. Guess that’s a dead letter for now.
Roberts has been supposed to care about the reputation of the Court. This makes clear that he’s ok with being totally and visibly partisan. Sad. It will take the Supreme Court as long to reclaim its credibility with the nation as it will take the US, Post Trump, to rebuild its credibility with the rest of the world.
SCOTUS – “partisan gerrymandering? nope, nothing we can do about that!”
No, that’s not what they said. What they said was, “We don’t want to deal with that.” And “besides, we mostly like the results” (Maryland notwithstanding)
SCOTUS – “partisan gerrymandering? nope, nothing we can do about that!”
No, that’s not what they said. What they said was, “We don’t want to deal with that.” And “besides, we mostly like the results” (Maryland notwithstanding)
Well, at least they blocked the citizenship question. For now. But given what the Census Bureau says is their printing deadline, that’s enough.
Well, at least they blocked the citizenship question. For now. But given what the Census Bureau says is their printing deadline, that’s enough.
Apparently, limiting access to voting rights for the Other is so sacrosanct that it must be left unmolested by an august Federal body with the word “Supreme” in its title:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/dc/scotus-wont-rein-in-partisan-gerrymandering
However, the unsolicited exchange of individual free speech human expectorant is apparently the province of unlimited Federal powers, meaning the Federal Secret Service:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/lara-trump-spit-eric-waitress-pregnant
What’s the SS going to do next, round up comedians who do spit-takes onstage after reciting p’s latest tweet?
By the way, upthread, I said the alleged patriotic spitter was male, instead she is a she, but we need more heroic monuments to patriotic women in the public square, so this is doubly good.
We require something along the lines of a militant National Spit Association to lobby for our rights.
I don’t see that Dana Loesch, now apparently out-of-a-job with the NRA, would have to alter her on-screen delivery one whit to threaten massive retaliatory expectoration on our behalf, since she had to wipe her mouth with her sleeve after her spittle-flecked threats directed at us regarding the fact that she might just have to shoot us one day.
Perhaps a King Cobra as the organization’s mascot in the logo.
We can split hairs regarding the legal disposition of automatic versus semi-automatic expectoration as the Civil War advances apace.
Odd that the Founders said nothing about spitting in those sacred documents, a weapon that has not been technologically enhanced or changed since their momentous era, but we assume they knew all there is to know about modern military-grade weaponry in the hands of the citizenry.
The SCOTUS decision has my salivary glands stockpiling ammo and they can take it from my cold, dead mouth if they dare.
Unlike guns, which can now shoot much farther and accurately than they could in the past, spitting has pretty certain human limits in those areas, and besides if you believe we should trust conservatives about as far as we can spit, we’ll want to shorten the spitting distances considerably because doing so won’t damage spitting efficacy in their case.
Apparently, limiting access to voting rights for the Other is so sacrosanct that it must be left unmolested by an august Federal body with the word “Supreme” in its title:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/dc/scotus-wont-rein-in-partisan-gerrymandering
However, the unsolicited exchange of individual free speech human expectorant is apparently the province of unlimited Federal powers, meaning the Federal Secret Service:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/lara-trump-spit-eric-waitress-pregnant
What’s the SS going to do next, round up comedians who do spit-takes onstage after reciting p’s latest tweet?
By the way, upthread, I said the alleged patriotic spitter was male, instead she is a she, but we need more heroic monuments to patriotic women in the public square, so this is doubly good.
We require something along the lines of a militant National Spit Association to lobby for our rights.
I don’t see that Dana Loesch, now apparently out-of-a-job with the NRA, would have to alter her on-screen delivery one whit to threaten massive retaliatory expectoration on our behalf, since she had to wipe her mouth with her sleeve after her spittle-flecked threats directed at us regarding the fact that she might just have to shoot us one day.
Perhaps a King Cobra as the organization’s mascot in the logo.
We can split hairs regarding the legal disposition of automatic versus semi-automatic expectoration as the Civil War advances apace.
Odd that the Founders said nothing about spitting in those sacred documents, a weapon that has not been technologically enhanced or changed since their momentous era, but we assume they knew all there is to know about modern military-grade weaponry in the hands of the citizenry.
The SCOTUS decision has my salivary glands stockpiling ammo and they can take it from my cold, dead mouth if they dare.
Unlike guns, which can now shoot much farther and accurately than they could in the past, spitting has pretty certain human limits in those areas, and besides if you believe we should trust conservatives about as far as we can spit, we’ll want to shorten the spitting distances considerably because doing so won’t damage spitting efficacy in their case.
But Roberts gave the Census Bureau broad authority to add the question …. and more … later, writing that expected non-participation in the Census, a goddamned fucking specified Constitutional function, was not a concern.
Eliminate the Census altogether would be one of my many first acts as President.
If some don’t count, no one counts.
Fuck these filth.
But Roberts gave the Census Bureau broad authority to add the question …. and more … later, writing that expected non-participation in the Census, a goddamned fucking specified Constitutional function, was not a concern.
Eliminate the Census altogether would be one of my many first acts as President.
If some don’t count, no one counts.
Fuck these filth.
but to be fair, Clinton the deplorable neo-liberal would have filled the Court with people like Gorsuch and Kavenaugh. so really, it’s a good thing we heightened the contradictions.
but to be fair, Clinton the deplorable neo-liberal would have filled the Court with people like Gorsuch and Kavenaugh. so really, it’s a good thing we heightened the contradictions.
Roberts gave the Census Bureau broad authority to add the question …. and more … later
But plenty of time, in the next 10 years, to write a law preventing that. Just so the Democrats don’t get distracted, next time they’re in control, and fail to get that done. It’s not as sexy as they great plans they are talking about on the campaign trail. But ultimately far more important.
Roberts gave the Census Bureau broad authority to add the question …. and more … later
But plenty of time, in the next 10 years, to write a law preventing that. Just so the Democrats don’t get distracted, next time they’re in control, and fail to get that done. It’s not as sexy as they great plans they are talking about on the campaign trail. But ultimately far more important.
JDT: meat-based plants!
https://laughingsquid.com/arbys-megetables-meat-based-vegetables/
JDT: meat-based plants!
https://laughingsquid.com/arbys-megetables-meat-based-vegetables/
Heh.
This is one of many moments in my life when I realize I’m in the wrong line of business.
Heh.
This is one of many moments in my life when I realize I’m in the wrong line of business.
wj: plenty of time, in the next 10 years, to write a law preventing that
When the Framers gave us the Senate (Affirmative Action For Small States), maybe they were NOT indulging in a bit of constitutional gerrymandering. But it sure has worked out that way. So let’s not put TOO much faith in the idea that “write a law” is congruent with “pass a law”.
BTW: The Caller of Balls and Strikes seems not to know that when you shoot at the Republic you have to kill it. Wounding it will not tame it, just make it mad.
–TP
wj: plenty of time, in the next 10 years, to write a law preventing that
When the Framers gave us the Senate (Affirmative Action For Small States), maybe they were NOT indulging in a bit of constitutional gerrymandering. But it sure has worked out that way. So let’s not put TOO much faith in the idea that “write a law” is congruent with “pass a law”.
BTW: The Caller of Balls and Strikes seems not to know that when you shoot at the Republic you have to kill it. Wounding it will not tame it, just make it mad.
–TP
I love that there is a Jimmy Dean’s ad smack dab in the middle of cleek’s link.
I love that there is a Jimmy Dean’s ad smack dab in the middle of cleek’s link.
Roberts apparently wants to leave the elimination of partisan gerrymandering up to its beneficiaries.
That’ll work.
Roberts apparently wants to leave the elimination of partisan gerrymandering up to its beneficiaries.
That’ll work.
Notes on the 1st night of the Democratic candidates’ debate:
An actual debate almost broke out, despite the best efforts of Chuckie Todd et al. Candidates actually argued with each other at times.
He, Trump got off too easy. But what’s left to say about Him, anyway? Sane people already know He is a crook and a pig; MAGA maggots don’t care. But I admit to disappointment at Mitch McConnell not being called out as His lickspittle every 5 minutes.
If the Democrats nominate Senator Professor Warren’s dog, I will vote for him (her?) over He, Trump any day and twice on Sunday. So I’m not interested in who “won” the night. Still, I wish at least one of the candidates had explicitly put He, Trump’s capos, consiglieri, and button men on notice that they’d better not count on the next Democratic president to “look forward, not back”.
–TP
Notes on the 1st night of the Democratic candidates’ debate:
An actual debate almost broke out, despite the best efforts of Chuckie Todd et al. Candidates actually argued with each other at times.
He, Trump got off too easy. But what’s left to say about Him, anyway? Sane people already know He is a crook and a pig; MAGA maggots don’t care. But I admit to disappointment at Mitch McConnell not being called out as His lickspittle every 5 minutes.
If the Democrats nominate Senator Professor Warren’s dog, I will vote for him (her?) over He, Trump any day and twice on Sunday. So I’m not interested in who “won” the night. Still, I wish at least one of the candidates had explicitly put He, Trump’s capos, consiglieri, and button men on notice that they’d better not count on the next Democratic president to “look forward, not back”.
–TP
Accountability. A foreign concept for Trump et al. And those are people who hate all things foreign. (Well perhaps excepting trophy wives.)
Accountability. A foreign concept for Trump et al. And those are people who hate all things foreign. (Well perhaps excepting trophy wives.)
The five far-right Supreme Court justices see it as their primary duty to further the interests of the Republican Party, with which they have a symbiotic relationship.
Hence they voted to allow partisan gerrymandering. Roberts, perhaps fearing what the others might write, sacrificed another piece of his remaining reputation by trying to justify the decision.
However, judicial practice is not to tolerate being lied to, and Wilbur Ross blatantly lied about his motivation for the citizenship question. Roberts decided not to put up with that. The other four decided that the principle of not interfering with a Republican executive was more important.
It cannot be right that the Supreme Court has a highly partisan majority which acts in the interests of the political party which almost always loses the popular vote. The party which almost always wins the popular vote should make it a priority to reform the Court to make it less partisan.
The five far-right Supreme Court justices see it as their primary duty to further the interests of the Republican Party, with which they have a symbiotic relationship.
Hence they voted to allow partisan gerrymandering. Roberts, perhaps fearing what the others might write, sacrificed another piece of his remaining reputation by trying to justify the decision.
However, judicial practice is not to tolerate being lied to, and Wilbur Ross blatantly lied about his motivation for the citizenship question. Roberts decided not to put up with that. The other four decided that the principle of not interfering with a Republican executive was more important.
It cannot be right that the Supreme Court has a highly partisan majority which acts in the interests of the political party which almost always loses the popular vote. The party which almost always wins the popular vote should make it a priority to reform the Court to make it less partisan.
judicial practice is not to tolerate being lied to, and Wilbur Ross blatantly lied about his motivation for the citizenship question. Roberts decided not to put up with that. The other four decided that the principle of not interfering with a Republican executive was more important.
Well, maybe. But Roberts is apparently prepared to give Ross a chance to come up with a better lie. How many strikes does this umpire plan to give Ross?
judicial practice is not to tolerate being lied to, and Wilbur Ross blatantly lied about his motivation for the citizenship question. Roberts decided not to put up with that. The other four decided that the principle of not interfering with a Republican executive was more important.
Well, maybe. But Roberts is apparently prepared to give Ross a chance to come up with a better lie. How many strikes does this umpire plan to give Ross?
Why is this not a surprise?
Anyone want to bet we see a court case later this year on account of him trying it?** Who cares about a Constitutional mandate anyway?
** Although the “deep state” may just tell the printers to roll….
Why is this not a surprise?
Anyone want to bet we see a court case later this year on account of him trying it?** Who cares about a Constitutional mandate anyway?
** Although the “deep state” may just tell the printers to roll….
the Rule Of Law party sure ain’t what it used to be.
the Rule Of Law party sure ain’t what it used to be.
It cannot be right that the Supreme Court has a highly partisan majority which acts in the interests of the political party which almost always loses the popular vote.
A (neatly put) SOBO (statement of the bleedin’ obvious). The corollary is exactly right, however. I look forward to proposals from the said party, and from the crowd of candidates lining up to lead it.
It cannot be right that the Supreme Court has a highly partisan majority which acts in the interests of the political party which almost always loses the popular vote.
A (neatly put) SOBO (statement of the bleedin’ obvious). The corollary is exactly right, however. I look forward to proposals from the said party, and from the crowd of candidates lining up to lead it.
Meanwhile, Soviet agents in the employ of the conservative movement living among us use the “I” word to describe what should happen to Roberts because of the temporary hold on perverting the Census.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-trumpers-roberts-vote-census-citizenship-question
I worked for the Census Bureau during the 2010 survey, not actually involved in the Census itself, but in another capacity, and the shame is that all of the people who work there are patriotic, decent people who unfortunately believe in following orders, even p’s.
They should resign in protest en masse if p is successful in delaying the fucking thing, most are contract employees, not career, thereby making the carrying out of this Administration’s Constitutional duties a moot, dreadful failure.
Failing that, they should remain in place and cooperate together in the massive sabotage of the survey, informing non-citizens or those who are afraid to fill in the Census forms that lying about their status is perfectly justified and moral in the light of the fact that lying is now the stinking, fucking, conservative, animal-spirited, red-in-tooth-and-claw way of life in this country, exampled from on high and protected by the First Amendment.
Also helpful would be to learn which forms are filled in by conservatives and republicans and change their answers to the citizenship questions to “No, I and my family are in this country illegally” and when compiling the results, alert Homeland Security to ready the cages and the freeze lockers and get rid of any soap, and toothpaste they may have on hand and take these tens of millions of subhuman vermin into custody for processing their removal from my country, by catapult, slingshot, waterwings, and bayonet-assisted pushes to permanent exile abroad.
Meanwhile, Soviet agents in the employ of the conservative movement living among us use the “I” word to describe what should happen to Roberts because of the temporary hold on perverting the Census.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-trumpers-roberts-vote-census-citizenship-question
I worked for the Census Bureau during the 2010 survey, not actually involved in the Census itself, but in another capacity, and the shame is that all of the people who work there are patriotic, decent people who unfortunately believe in following orders, even p’s.
They should resign in protest en masse if p is successful in delaying the fucking thing, most are contract employees, not career, thereby making the carrying out of this Administration’s Constitutional duties a moot, dreadful failure.
Failing that, they should remain in place and cooperate together in the massive sabotage of the survey, informing non-citizens or those who are afraid to fill in the Census forms that lying about their status is perfectly justified and moral in the light of the fact that lying is now the stinking, fucking, conservative, animal-spirited, red-in-tooth-and-claw way of life in this country, exampled from on high and protected by the First Amendment.
Also helpful would be to learn which forms are filled in by conservatives and republicans and change their answers to the citizenship questions to “No, I and my family are in this country illegally” and when compiling the results, alert Homeland Security to ready the cages and the freeze lockers and get rid of any soap, and toothpaste they may have on hand and take these tens of millions of subhuman vermin into custody for processing their removal from my country, by catapult, slingshot, waterwings, and bayonet-assisted pushes to permanent exile abroad.
I agree with this but it doesn’t go far enough.
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2019/06/boycotting-the-federalist-society
Attend their soirees and disrupt them with violence.
Follow Leonard Leo and other officers into public venues of the piece of piece anti-American, foreign funded organization, and deposit massive quantities of launched saliva upon their persons, that would be the first salvo, and follow up with hardened cream pies.
Should they be carrying lethal weaponry and make a false move, self-defend with righteous constitutional fury.
I agree with this but it doesn’t go far enough.
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2019/06/boycotting-the-federalist-society
Attend their soirees and disrupt them with violence.
Follow Leonard Leo and other officers into public venues of the piece of piece anti-American, foreign funded organization, and deposit massive quantities of launched saliva upon their persons, that would be the first salvo, and follow up with hardened cream pies.
Should they be carrying lethal weaponry and make a false move, self-defend with righteous constitutional fury.
Decent answer to one of the conservative Soviet agents hating on Roberts:
https://juanitajean.com/ouch-thats-got-to-sting/
But not nearly definitive and final enough.
Decent answer to one of the conservative Soviet agents hating on Roberts:
https://juanitajean.com/ouch-thats-got-to-sting/
But not nearly definitive and final enough.
I wonder if Schlapp and friends will be so enthused about removing Roberts once there’s a Democrat in the White House. 😉
I wonder if Schlapp and friends will be so enthused about removing Roberts once there’s a Democrat in the White House. 😉
Who cares?
Who cares?
Following in p’s tiny footsteps, here’s an accusation I’ve been keeping to myself for awhile.
I follow the markets closely, being a capitalist with Soros tendencies, and I hereby charge Mnuchin and the Treasury Department and Lawrence Kudlow and the Council of Economic Manipulators with using their vast influence and connections in the worldwide octopus of the financial industry to use that industry as proxies to purchase vast quantities of Treasury securities and stock market futures contracts, all illegally and secretly, with taxpayers dollars to support p’s poll numbers by manipulating interest rate and stock market averages.
This could very be done via channels outside the surveillance powers of the Fed, the SEC, and other institutions, which are under threats to stand down.
It would be just like them, these corrupt, lying mofos.
I’m happy to make money in the money, but never in the last 40 years have I seen such funky, unexplained action, odd, sudden reversals in overnight foreign futures trading, etc.
I hereby charge them also with front-running those under-the-table orders for their own personal interest, which seques seamlessly with their corrupt, Ayn Rand life philosophies.
Remember when every conservative, every one, during the Obama years, demanded the Fed’s quantitative easing program halted completely.
Now they, to a lying, cheating man and woman, are pressuring, with brutal threats, our institutions
to do the opposite.
Executions. Years of them.
In public. On the Mall in Washington, among the monuments. Run the reflecting pond red.
Following in p’s tiny footsteps, here’s an accusation I’ve been keeping to myself for awhile.
I follow the markets closely, being a capitalist with Soros tendencies, and I hereby charge Mnuchin and the Treasury Department and Lawrence Kudlow and the Council of Economic Manipulators with using their vast influence and connections in the worldwide octopus of the financial industry to use that industry as proxies to purchase vast quantities of Treasury securities and stock market futures contracts, all illegally and secretly, with taxpayers dollars to support p’s poll numbers by manipulating interest rate and stock market averages.
This could very be done via channels outside the surveillance powers of the Fed, the SEC, and other institutions, which are under threats to stand down.
It would be just like them, these corrupt, lying mofos.
I’m happy to make money in the money, but never in the last 40 years have I seen such funky, unexplained action, odd, sudden reversals in overnight foreign futures trading, etc.
I hereby charge them also with front-running those under-the-table orders for their own personal interest, which seques seamlessly with their corrupt, Ayn Rand life philosophies.
Remember when every conservative, every one, during the Obama years, demanded the Fed’s quantitative easing program halted completely.
Now they, to a lying, cheating man and woman, are pressuring, with brutal threats, our institutions
to do the opposite.
Executions. Years of them.
In public. On the Mall in Washington, among the monuments. Run the reflecting pond red.
Money “in the markets”
Money “in the markets”
Kudlow said today “he was merely following the markets” in his demands for rate cuts.
No, the markets are following his and Mnuchin’s corrupt, secret moves in them on p’s behalf.
Kudlow said today “he was merely following the markets” in his demands for rate cuts.
No, the markets are following his and Mnuchin’s corrupt, secret moves in them on p’s behalf.
This guy sums it up:
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28212049/supreme-court-gerrymandering-john-roberts/
This guy sums it up:
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28212049/supreme-court-gerrymandering-john-roberts/
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2019/06/27/after-losing-nra-spokesperson-job-dana-loesch-goes-fox-falsely-claim-only-1-americans-want-stronger/224073
I’ll see her one percent and raise her with the five percent of the American people who would like to personally cut her threatening tongue out of her vermin head.
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2019/06/27/after-losing-nra-spokesperson-job-dana-loesch-goes-fox-falsely-claim-only-1-americans-want-stronger/224073
I’ll see her one percent and raise her with the five percent of the American people who would like to personally cut her threatening tongue out of her vermin head.
Meanwhile, Soviet agents in the employ of the conservative movement living among us use the “I” word to describe what should happen to Roberts because of the temporary hold on perverting the Census.
“>https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-trumpers-roberts-vote-census-citizenship-question
Is it safe to assume the people who are so terribly upset about the ruling are at least 69 years old and that they’ve been terribly upset for most of their lives? Has no one but them cared who was in the country illegally and has everyone else been in favor of open borders for the last 69 years?
Meanwhile, Soviet agents in the employ of the conservative movement living among us use the “I” word to describe what should happen to Roberts because of the temporary hold on perverting the Census.
“>https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-trumpers-roberts-vote-census-citizenship-question
Is it safe to assume the people who are so terribly upset about the ruling are at least 69 years old and that they’ve been terribly upset for most of their lives? Has no one but them cared who was in the country illegally and has everyone else been in favor of open borders for the last 69 years?
Karl Rove: We create our own reality:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-trolls-reddit-4chan-tulsi-gabbard-debate-polls
Everything is on the table.
Karl Rove: We create our own reality:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-trolls-reddit-4chan-tulsi-gabbard-debate-polls
Everything is on the table.
via BJ:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/24/i-do-have-values-i-swear-i-just-cant-recall-what-they-are/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4cea49c3bf70
Value-added.
Value-subtracted.
Millenniums from now, in a far-off galaxy, the laugh track for the stand-up routine that was America, will be found on a piece of intergalactic junk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPY4yOmNw7w
Premise: If you can keep it.
via BJ:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/24/i-do-have-values-i-swear-i-just-cant-recall-what-they-are/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4cea49c3bf70
Value-added.
Value-subtracted.
Millenniums from now, in a far-off galaxy, the laugh track for the stand-up routine that was America, will be found on a piece of intergalactic junk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPY4yOmNw7w
Premise: If you can keep it.
“has everyone else been in favor of open borders for the last 69 years?
Posted by: hairshirthedonist | June 27, 2019 at 05:51 PM”
Nope, just since 1986 when the Democrats promised we wouldnt be here again. Pass an amnesty, we will close the border, we promise, trust us.
Yet, here we are. Same song and dance. We dont believe you anymore. You want open borders, you just know if you admit it even a lot of Democrats wont vote for it.
Even on the stage last night the idea of decriminalizing illegal immigration got no reaction, that is btw, open borders.
“has everyone else been in favor of open borders for the last 69 years?
Posted by: hairshirthedonist | June 27, 2019 at 05:51 PM”
Nope, just since 1986 when the Democrats promised we wouldnt be here again. Pass an amnesty, we will close the border, we promise, trust us.
Yet, here we are. Same song and dance. We dont believe you anymore. You want open borders, you just know if you admit it even a lot of Democrats wont vote for it.
Even on the stage last night the idea of decriminalizing illegal immigration got no reaction, that is btw, open borders.
Nope, just since 1986 when the Democrats promised we wouldnt be here again. Pass an amnesty, we will close the border, we promise, trust us.
The above is mere propaganda verging on a lie.
You know who wants open borders? Employers. They are addicted to cheap labor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986
Nope, just since 1986 when the Democrats promised we wouldnt be here again. Pass an amnesty, we will close the border, we promise, trust us.
The above is mere propaganda verging on a lie.
You know who wants open borders? Employers. They are addicted to cheap labor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986
Marty,
Unless you favor a national ID card for everybody (including your native-ass self) your bleating about “open borders” is partisan clap-trap in the service of He, Trump.
Keep on fooling yourself about what “Democrats” won’t vote for if you like, of course. We need comic relief around here.
–TP
Marty,
Unless you favor a national ID card for everybody (including your native-ass self) your bleating about “open borders” is partisan clap-trap in the service of He, Trump.
Keep on fooling yourself about what “Democrats” won’t vote for if you like, of course. We need comic relief around here.
–TP
Having not seen the debate, I’m unclear on what the decriminalization of illegal entry proposal was. Some violations are currently civil and some criminal; which criminal penalty was to be downgraded?
Having not seen the debate, I’m unclear on what the decriminalization of illegal entry proposal was. Some violations are currently civil and some criminal; which criminal penalty was to be downgraded?
Actually TP we have those. They are passports. They give you the right to come into the country. Visas do too, but with conditions. Generally.
I have no idea what this id claptrap you’re on about is supposed to mean.
Actually TP we have those. They are passports. They give you the right to come into the country. Visas do too, but with conditions. Generally.
I have no idea what this id claptrap you’re on about is supposed to mean.
Ok, it’s US Code 1325, which has to do with entering other than through a designated point of entry.
Come through the front door and overstay, civil violation.
Come through the back door, criminal.
The proposal is to make both civil.
I’m pretty sure open borders means “it’s not a violation, period”, but IANAL.
Ok, it’s US Code 1325, which has to do with entering other than through a designated point of entry.
Come through the front door and overstay, civil violation.
Come through the back door, criminal.
The proposal is to make both civil.
I’m pretty sure open borders means “it’s not a violation, period”, but IANAL.
Even on the stage last night the idea of decriminalizing illegal immigration got no reaction, that is btw, open borders.
I thought two Democrats had a disagreement over it – openly expressed in a way that might be called a reaction. Democrats need a better hivemind.
Even on the stage last night the idea of decriminalizing illegal immigration got no reaction, that is btw, open borders.
I thought two Democrats had a disagreement over it – openly expressed in a way that might be called a reaction. Democrats need a better hivemind.
Marty,
I will explain “this id claptrap” one more time, just for you.
A real, mandatory, nationwide ID card that validates your presence in the US, not just your right to enter it, and without which you could not “take somebody’s job” or “go on welfare” or do any of the things you imagine (or pretend) that “illegal immigrants” do to make He, Trump’s America not-great, is what I’m “on about”.
You enter the US legally, whether through a port of entry or through a maternity ward, and you get a card. Only card-carrying Americans get to work for pay, rent an apartment, drive a car, buy or sell property, etc. People who do not have a card don’t get to do any of those things, so even if they manage to sneak in, they won’t be able to live here very long. They will stick out like sore thumbs; you can easily find them and deport them.
People who come for a visit get a temporary card, valid for the length of their visa. Overstay your visa and it doesn’t matter that you’re a blond, blue-eyed Aryan; you’re spotted as an “illegal immigrant” just like any swarthy Spanish-speaking person.
If you still want to claim you don’t understand what I’m “on about”, go ahead — knock yourself out.
–TP
Marty,
I will explain “this id claptrap” one more time, just for you.
A real, mandatory, nationwide ID card that validates your presence in the US, not just your right to enter it, and without which you could not “take somebody’s job” or “go on welfare” or do any of the things you imagine (or pretend) that “illegal immigrants” do to make He, Trump’s America not-great, is what I’m “on about”.
You enter the US legally, whether through a port of entry or through a maternity ward, and you get a card. Only card-carrying Americans get to work for pay, rent an apartment, drive a car, buy or sell property, etc. People who do not have a card don’t get to do any of those things, so even if they manage to sneak in, they won’t be able to live here very long. They will stick out like sore thumbs; you can easily find them and deport them.
People who come for a visit get a temporary card, valid for the length of their visa. Overstay your visa and it doesn’t matter that you’re a blond, blue-eyed Aryan; you’re spotted as an “illegal immigrant” just like any swarthy Spanish-speaking person.
If you still want to claim you don’t understand what I’m “on about”, go ahead — knock yourself out.
–TP
has everyone else been in favor of open borders for the last 69 years?
Perhaps someone can help me out here.
The vast majority of those who are here illegally came in legally, but overstayed their visa. So to keep them out, you have to literally close the border. That is, don’t allow anyone in or out. (Note that even North Korea hasn’t managed that. And they have a much shorter border.) Which is nonsense.
So what is actually meant by “open borders”? As far as I can tell (and this is where I need help) it means letting in “those people” — regardless of how they get here. If not, what are we really, honestly, asking for? I mean, walls are pretty symbols and all, but everybody knows they actually don’t do much at all to keep out the majority of those who are here illegally.
Personally, this is one area where I could do with a return to the middle of the last century. You know, that wonderful time Trump supporters seem to wax nostalgic over. We had programs in place to let people (primarily from Mexico) enter temporarily to work — aka “take American jobs”. Lots of people, mostly farm workers. And the Canadian border was so open that for most of it you could wander back and forth totally unnoticed. The only resemblance to controls were at airports and on major highways — and even there you could mostly just drive on thru without even getting out of the car, no documents check or anything.
So, help me out with a definition of what “open borders” really means. (Other than a return to how we ran immigration for the first century or more of our nations history, of course. You know, our founding values and all.) If we’re going to denounce it, it would be nice to have an honest definition of what it means.
has everyone else been in favor of open borders for the last 69 years?
Perhaps someone can help me out here.
The vast majority of those who are here illegally came in legally, but overstayed their visa. So to keep them out, you have to literally close the border. That is, don’t allow anyone in or out. (Note that even North Korea hasn’t managed that. And they have a much shorter border.) Which is nonsense.
So what is actually meant by “open borders”? As far as I can tell (and this is where I need help) it means letting in “those people” — regardless of how they get here. If not, what are we really, honestly, asking for? I mean, walls are pretty symbols and all, but everybody knows they actually don’t do much at all to keep out the majority of those who are here illegally.
Personally, this is one area where I could do with a return to the middle of the last century. You know, that wonderful time Trump supporters seem to wax nostalgic over. We had programs in place to let people (primarily from Mexico) enter temporarily to work — aka “take American jobs”. Lots of people, mostly farm workers. And the Canadian border was so open that for most of it you could wander back and forth totally unnoticed. The only resemblance to controls were at airports and on major highways — and even there you could mostly just drive on thru without even getting out of the car, no documents check or anything.
So, help me out with a definition of what “open borders” really means. (Other than a return to how we ran immigration for the first century or more of our nations history, of course. You know, our founding values and all.) If we’re going to denounce it, it would be nice to have an honest definition of what it means.
A real, mandatory, nationwide ID card that validates your presence in the US, not just your right to enter it
Without this massive intrusion of the government into our lives, it’s essentially impossible to enforce any kind of serious immigration restrictions. I mean, do YOU have anything (other than a passport, which lots of people don’t have) which actually proves that you were born here and therefore have a right to be here?
I happen to have a copy of my birth certificate. Which only proves that someone with the name I am using was born here. But does nothing to prove that I am actually that person. And without a national ID card, issued at birth and, I assume, renewed regularly, there’s no way to demonstrate that I am.
At most, I can swear under penalty of perjury that I am. But why would you believe me? Especially since I don’t have any personal memories of the event. For all I know, my parents picked up an infant somewhere else and brought me back — those being the days when getting in was pretty simple, especially if you were a blue eyed blond.
A real, mandatory, nationwide ID card that validates your presence in the US, not just your right to enter it
Without this massive intrusion of the government into our lives, it’s essentially impossible to enforce any kind of serious immigration restrictions. I mean, do YOU have anything (other than a passport, which lots of people don’t have) which actually proves that you were born here and therefore have a right to be here?
I happen to have a copy of my birth certificate. Which only proves that someone with the name I am using was born here. But does nothing to prove that I am actually that person. And without a national ID card, issued at birth and, I assume, renewed regularly, there’s no way to demonstrate that I am.
At most, I can swear under penalty of perjury that I am. But why would you believe me? Especially since I don’t have any personal memories of the event. For all I know, my parents picked up an infant somewhere else and brought me back — those being the days when getting in was pretty simple, especially if you were a blue eyed blond.
e-Verify:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-president-trump-will-have-us-all-carrying-federal-id-cards
e-Verify:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-president-trump-will-have-us-all-carrying-federal-id-cards
E-Verify:
https://www.e-verify.gov/
E-Verify:
https://www.e-verify.gov/
From JDT’s first link:
This is just so old-tech. The obvious biometric is a full DNA record. Much harder to scam than mere photographs or even fingerprints. Not to mention (great plus for Trumpists) you can use it to determine where someone’s ancestors came from. What’s not to like?
From JDT’s first link:
This is just so old-tech. The obvious biometric is a full DNA record. Much harder to scam than mere photographs or even fingerprints. Not to mention (great plus for Trumpists) you can use it to determine where someone’s ancestors came from. What’s not to like?
What’s not to like?
The embarassment to all the Aryans, secure in their purity of blood, that find out that way that they have n-words, redskins, gooks and the like (worst of all: Hebrews) galore in their ancestry.
Icelanders were at least not overly surprised that their womenfolk was at least 1/3 Irish (it just verified what their own medieval chronicles said). US WASPS on the other hand used to be very diligent in hiding their race defilement, so the truth will hit hard. Of course, we already know they will cry conspiracy accusing the liberal government of falsifying the DNA analysis in order to sow discord among the true white merkins.
What’s not to like?
The embarassment to all the Aryans, secure in their purity of blood, that find out that way that they have n-words, redskins, gooks and the like (worst of all: Hebrews) galore in their ancestry.
Icelanders were at least not overly surprised that their womenfolk was at least 1/3 Irish (it just verified what their own medieval chronicles said). US WASPS on the other hand used to be very diligent in hiding their race defilement, so the truth will hit hard. Of course, we already know they will cry conspiracy accusing the liberal government of falsifying the DNA analysis in order to sow discord among the true white merkins.
Open borders means something like the Schengen Agreement in the EU.
If it is against the law, whether civil or criminal, to enter a country, you don’t have an open border.
Open borders means something like the Schengen Agreement in the EU.
If it is against the law, whether civil or criminal, to enter a country, you don’t have an open border.
Based on all that my answer to the id question is to shrug. To get a state id in Mass you pretty much have to have papers. One of the issues with some states providing illegals with ids is it makes moving more difficult because the new state cant take your old license as proof of legal residence.
But, At some point you could get a Texas birth certificate online with pretty minimal knowledge. Identification is pretty easy to buy.
The whole aryan blah blah is stupid. If you’re illegal you’re illegal, why does the color of your skin matter? Cops in most of the SW would be hard pressed to choose which Hispanic they should profile. Huge parts of Florida, Ny same thing. I’m just not sure this point is meaningful except to assign evil motives to those who disagree with you.
Based on all that my answer to the id question is to shrug. To get a state id in Mass you pretty much have to have papers. One of the issues with some states providing illegals with ids is it makes moving more difficult because the new state cant take your old license as proof of legal residence.
But, At some point you could get a Texas birth certificate online with pretty minimal knowledge. Identification is pretty easy to buy.
The whole aryan blah blah is stupid. If you’re illegal you’re illegal, why does the color of your skin matter? Cops in most of the SW would be hard pressed to choose which Hispanic they should profile. Huge parts of Florida, Ny same thing. I’m just not sure this point is meaningful except to assign evil motives to those who disagree with you.
If you genuinely wanted to reduce illegal immigration, you’d go after employers – introduce strict liability for anyone employing an illegal immigrant, and enforce the law rigorously.
But you can’t do that, or crops would rot in the ground and rich people would have to pay up for domestic staff.
More importantly, employers often see it as in their economic interests to vote Republican. You can’t risk changing that.
The children of illegal immigrants don’t have votes however. Lock them up and you gain votes from anyone who believes your lies that doing it improves their employment prospects.
Immigration is a problem. Locking up children is evil. One does not justify the other. I regret that so many Republicans find it so easy to approve of evildoing.
If you genuinely wanted to reduce illegal immigration, you’d go after employers – introduce strict liability for anyone employing an illegal immigrant, and enforce the law rigorously.
But you can’t do that, or crops would rot in the ground and rich people would have to pay up for domestic staff.
More importantly, employers often see it as in their economic interests to vote Republican. You can’t risk changing that.
The children of illegal immigrants don’t have votes however. Lock them up and you gain votes from anyone who believes your lies that doing it improves their employment prospects.
Immigration is a problem. Locking up children is evil. One does not justify the other. I regret that so many Republicans find it so easy to approve of evildoing.
“open borders” is this week’s “socialism” – a semantically meaningless phrase that the right uses as an insult against the left. but since it’s an insult based on a caricature they’ve collectively created, it means nothing to anyone else. that’s why we all all at them like they’re fucking crazy when they use it.
“open borders” is this week’s “socialism” – a semantically meaningless phrase that the right uses as an insult against the left. but since it’s an insult based on a caricature they’ve collectively created, it means nothing to anyone else. that’s why we all all at them like they’re fucking crazy when they use it.
“Locking up children is evil. One does not justify the other.”
I agree with this, if that were happening. where do you suggest we house unaccompanied minors? 4.6B probably improves the ability to house them more comfortably, thank Pelosi for making that happen.
We dont want to put them on the streets, we placed a bunch of them last year and “lost” them. The mixture of overwhelming numbers and inadequate process created a crisis that just months ago people here denied existed. Preferring to pretend that some people would actually prefer that children be mistreated.
So, I expect the facilities and process will catch up with the numbers. It’s great that there has been so much publicity as that certainly ensured the passage of the bill yesterday.
“Locking up children is evil. One does not justify the other.”
I agree with this, if that were happening. where do you suggest we house unaccompanied minors? 4.6B probably improves the ability to house them more comfortably, thank Pelosi for making that happen.
We dont want to put them on the streets, we placed a bunch of them last year and “lost” them. The mixture of overwhelming numbers and inadequate process created a crisis that just months ago people here denied existed. Preferring to pretend that some people would actually prefer that children be mistreated.
So, I expect the facilities and process will catch up with the numbers. It’s great that there has been so much publicity as that certainly ensured the passage of the bill yesterday.
The whole aryan blah blah is stupid. If you’re illegal you’re illegal, why does the color of your skin matter?
It matters because, absent a universal national ID of some kind, the only way for those attempting to enforce laws against illegal presence in the country is to make assumptions about individuals that they encounter based on their looks.
Look Hispanic? Expect to get stopped repeatedly . . . even if you’re a veteran whose family has been here for generations. Ditto any other non-Aryan population that the government of the day decides to get exercised about. You may think it’s a challenge in some parts of the country. But it’s happening currently. (That example of a Hispanic vet wasn’t invented out of whole cloth.)
I completely agree with you that race shouldn’t matter. But current reality is that it does.
The whole aryan blah blah is stupid. If you’re illegal you’re illegal, why does the color of your skin matter?
It matters because, absent a universal national ID of some kind, the only way for those attempting to enforce laws against illegal presence in the country is to make assumptions about individuals that they encounter based on their looks.
Look Hispanic? Expect to get stopped repeatedly . . . even if you’re a veteran whose family has been here for generations. Ditto any other non-Aryan population that the government of the day decides to get exercised about. You may think it’s a challenge in some parts of the country. But it’s happening currently. (That example of a Hispanic vet wasn’t invented out of whole cloth.)
I completely agree with you that race shouldn’t matter. But current reality is that it does.
decriminalizing illegal immigration got no reaction, that is btw, open borders.
no it isn’t.
the people coming here now, seeking asylum, are not illegal in any sense. and no wall, no amount of thugs with balaclavas, is going to stop them.
people who come do come here illegally get deported – Obama deported millions of them.
you’re so hung up on opposing the left, you’ve had to move the battle to your imaginations.
decriminalizing illegal immigration got no reaction, that is btw, open borders.
no it isn’t.
the people coming here now, seeking asylum, are not illegal in any sense. and no wall, no amount of thugs with balaclavas, is going to stop them.
people who come do come here illegally get deported – Obama deported millions of them.
you’re so hung up on opposing the left, you’ve had to move the battle to your imaginations.
cleek,Except Kamala Harris last night took Obama to task for those deportations. It is your imagination that the people standing on that stage the last two nights weren’t espousing policies that create an open border.
California has granted amnesty, drivers licences, free health care, non cooperation with ICE. The policies plus the outrage that ICE would actually enforce the law encourages illegal immigration.
No one I know objects to people going to a port of entry and requesting asylum. Not.one.person.
cleek,Except Kamala Harris last night took Obama to task for those deportations. It is your imagination that the people standing on that stage the last two nights weren’t espousing policies that create an open border.
California has granted amnesty, drivers licences, free health care, non cooperation with ICE. The policies plus the outrage that ICE would actually enforce the law encourages illegal immigration.
No one I know objects to people going to a port of entry and requesting asylum. Not.one.person.
As for ‘unaccompanied minors’, it’s not called ‘family separation’ for nothing. Plus a large number of those kids held in those camps we dare not properly name lest we insult crystalline water structures on the driver side of the road* have living relatives in the US and were provided with info of their whereabouts. It took external visitors to get the info from the kids and call those relatives who, it turned out, were in panic because they had no idea what happened to the kids because the detainers had seen no reason to inform them (or were possibly ordered not to by superiors).
I honestly just wait for the revelation that people connected to The Donald are working on an illegal adoption scheme to sell those kids for profit (á la Franco).
It’s not incompetence or lack of resources, this is premeditated and the organizers are proud of it.
*unless you’re a Limey or Jap.
As for ‘unaccompanied minors’, it’s not called ‘family separation’ for nothing. Plus a large number of those kids held in those camps we dare not properly name lest we insult crystalline water structures on the driver side of the road* have living relatives in the US and were provided with info of their whereabouts. It took external visitors to get the info from the kids and call those relatives who, it turned out, were in panic because they had no idea what happened to the kids because the detainers had seen no reason to inform them (or were possibly ordered not to by superiors).
I honestly just wait for the revelation that people connected to The Donald are working on an illegal adoption scheme to sell those kids for profit (á la Franco).
It’s not incompetence or lack of resources, this is premeditated and the organizers are proud of it.
*unless you’re a Limey or Jap.
“Look Hispanic? Expect to get stopped repeatedly ”
Where the fnck does this happens? Not where I live, they would have to stop everyone in town. Not in Texas.
Do I believe that it happens, sure. Being stopped repeatedly for being Hispanic? That is a stretch these days.
“Look Hispanic? Expect to get stopped repeatedly ”
Where the fnck does this happens? Not where I live, they would have to stop everyone in town. Not in Texas.
Do I believe that it happens, sure. Being stopped repeatedly for being Hispanic? That is a stretch these days.
Unaccompanied minors and family separation overlap, but the majority of unaccompanied minors are just that.
Placing them with relatives is how they got “lost”. So yes it is a process priblem. But, more important, does this mean that we should have a program where an unaccompanied minor shows up at the border with a note identifying some relative that we just call the relative and let them come pick up the child?
And no, no one is intentionally mistreating children.
Unaccompanied minors and family separation overlap, but the majority of unaccompanied minors are just that.
Placing them with relatives is how they got “lost”. So yes it is a process priblem. But, more important, does this mean that we should have a program where an unaccompanied minor shows up at the border with a note identifying some relative that we just call the relative and let them come pick up the child?
And no, no one is intentionally mistreating children.
Do I believe that it happens, sure. Being stopped repeatedly for being Hispanic? That is a stretch these days.
Crikey, Marty, Trump only pardoned Arpaio in August 2017. What kind of signal do you suppose that sent to like-minded bastards who wanted to carry on his good work? How recent does “these days” have to be?
Do I believe that it happens, sure. Being stopped repeatedly for being Hispanic? That is a stretch these days.
Crikey, Marty, Trump only pardoned Arpaio in August 2017. What kind of signal do you suppose that sent to like-minded bastards who wanted to carry on his good work? How recent does “these days” have to be?
Arpaio was convicted, and is now irrelevant. There are 350m people in the US, he represents no generalizable activity.
Arpaio was convicted, and is now irrelevant. There are 350m people in the US, he represents no generalizable activity.
No one I know objects to people going to a port of entry and requesting asylum.
i guess i imagined the weeks of GOP pants-wetting over the CARAVAN™ .
No one I know objects to people going to a port of entry and requesting asylum.
i guess i imagined the weeks of GOP pants-wetting over the CARAVAN™ .
say, when did crossing the border become a criminal matter?
2005?
how’s that working out? made anyone’s life any better? no.
has it lead to a policy of family separation? yes.
did we have Open Borders™ before then? no?
fuck the GOP
say, when did crossing the border become a criminal matter?
2005?
how’s that working out? made anyone’s life any better? no.
has it lead to a policy of family separation? yes.
did we have Open Borders™ before then? no?
fuck the GOP
…if that were happening…
Preferring to pretend that some people would actually prefer that children be mistreated
Separating children from their families was a Trump administration policy, precisely to deter illegal immigration. “If you don’t want your child separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally.” And it’s still happening.
Illegal immigrants make up 4.6% of the US workforce. The most effective deterrent would be to stop that by going after the employers. If you’re not willing to do that, it must be because you realise that the US economy needs these workers. So stop locking people up, and look for a way of allowing the people you need to be in the country legally.
…if that were happening…
Preferring to pretend that some people would actually prefer that children be mistreated
Separating children from their families was a Trump administration policy, precisely to deter illegal immigration. “If you don’t want your child separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally.” And it’s still happening.
Illegal immigrants make up 4.6% of the US workforce. The most effective deterrent would be to stop that by going after the employers. If you’re not willing to do that, it must be because you realise that the US economy needs these workers. So stop locking people up, and look for a way of allowing the people you need to be in the country legally.
I have a state drivers license that, except that I’m grandfathered in, could be traced back to some point where I had to show a passport or birth certificate or other papers verifying I was entitled to permanent or long-term presence. If I were to let it lapse for long enough, I would have to go dig the documents out of the safe deposit box and prove my status again. In my state, if I can’t prove that, I could still get a license under some circumstances, but it would note that I didn’t prove permanent status.
On the subject of national id, too few of the supposedly informed people entirely miss the second part of the system that is needed. Biometrics simply confirm that a particular id is tied to a particular person. There needs to be a check of the id itself against a database, using some other special value(s), that verifies it’s a legitimate id. Forgers will always be able to (eventually) reproduce an id. The big money, though, will be reserved for criminals who develop a way to insert ids into the database.
I have a state drivers license that, except that I’m grandfathered in, could be traced back to some point where I had to show a passport or birth certificate or other papers verifying I was entitled to permanent or long-term presence. If I were to let it lapse for long enough, I would have to go dig the documents out of the safe deposit box and prove my status again. In my state, if I can’t prove that, I could still get a license under some circumstances, but it would note that I didn’t prove permanent status.
On the subject of national id, too few of the supposedly informed people entirely miss the second part of the system that is needed. Biometrics simply confirm that a particular id is tied to a particular person. There needs to be a check of the id itself against a database, using some other special value(s), that verifies it’s a legitimate id. Forgers will always be able to (eventually) reproduce an id. The big money, though, will be reserved for criminals who develop a way to insert ids into the database.
The mixture of overwhelming numbers and inadequate process created a crisis that just months ago people here denied existed.
Let’s clear this up. The “crisis” that didn’t and doesn’t exist was one of hordes of rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and terrorists crossing the border to cause mayhem in the U.S. of A.
If you ignore the stupidity (i.e. Rump’s rhetoric) that sparked the reaction, the reaction might, itself, sound stupid.
The mixture of overwhelming numbers and inadequate process created a crisis that just months ago people here denied existed.
Let’s clear this up. The “crisis” that didn’t and doesn’t exist was one of hordes of rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and terrorists crossing the border to cause mayhem in the U.S. of A.
If you ignore the stupidity (i.e. Rump’s rhetoric) that sparked the reaction, the reaction might, itself, sound stupid.
Arpaio was convicted, and is now irrelevant. There are 350m people in the US, he represents no generalizable activity.
I think this is wishful thinking, in order to make your argument. Arpaio was pardoned by the crook in the White House, and that sent a signal to other crooks who might be tempted to follow the same path, if very slightly more carefully. What does the pardon mean? POTUS doesn’t think he did anything wrong, and 40% of the US public (and approx 80% of the GOP) seems to agree with him on most things, almost certainly including this.
Arpaio was convicted, and is now irrelevant. There are 350m people in the US, he represents no generalizable activity.
I think this is wishful thinking, in order to make your argument. Arpaio was pardoned by the crook in the White House, and that sent a signal to other crooks who might be tempted to follow the same path, if very slightly more carefully. What does the pardon mean? POTUS doesn’t think he did anything wrong, and 40% of the US public (and approx 80% of the GOP) seems to agree with him on most things, almost certainly including this.
“Arpaio was convicted, and is now irrelevant. There are 350m people in the US, he represents no generalizable activity.”
His subhuman behavior was “generalized” by the conservative movement for a dang long time.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/aug/21/arizona-phoenix-concentration-camp-tent-city-jail-joe-arpaio-immigration
The criminal pardon was a big congrats to Arpaio and a generalization of his fascist actions from the fucking Oval Office.
He spoke at the fucking 2016 GOP convention, which generally speaking, was reason to hope for an asteroid strike on the fucking place, though pretty far down the list of reasons.
FOX News generalized his criminal behavior by recommending him as an example to follow.
Brietbart generalized his criminal behavior by recommending him as an example to follow.
John McCain joined the generalization of Joe Arpaio as a fucking fascist conservative asshole.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/26/john-mccain-others-slam-president-trump-over-joe-arpaio-pardon.html
McCain could have further burnished his reputation, already heavily feathered-bedded, as a heroic American patriot by, as his last act on this Earth, shooting Arpaio in the head.
“Arpaio was convicted, and is now irrelevant. There are 350m people in the US, he represents no generalizable activity.”
His subhuman behavior was “generalized” by the conservative movement for a dang long time.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/aug/21/arizona-phoenix-concentration-camp-tent-city-jail-joe-arpaio-immigration
The criminal pardon was a big congrats to Arpaio and a generalization of his fascist actions from the fucking Oval Office.
He spoke at the fucking 2016 GOP convention, which generally speaking, was reason to hope for an asteroid strike on the fucking place, though pretty far down the list of reasons.
FOX News generalized his criminal behavior by recommending him as an example to follow.
Brietbart generalized his criminal behavior by recommending him as an example to follow.
John McCain joined the generalization of Joe Arpaio as a fucking fascist conservative asshole.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/26/john-mccain-others-slam-president-trump-over-joe-arpaio-pardon.html
McCain could have further burnished his reputation, already heavily feathered-bedded, as a heroic American patriot by, as his last act on this Earth, shooting Arpaio in the head.
Arpaio’s bullshit was the now totally generalized model for the way immigrants are being brutalized, murdered, and shit on since November 2016.
His execution, should the vermin live long enough, will serve as the generalized model of how the entire conservative movement is going to its rotten grave.
Arpaio’s bullshit was the now totally generalized model for the way immigrants are being brutalized, murdered, and shit on since November 2016.
His execution, should the vermin live long enough, will serve as the generalized model of how the entire conservative movement is going to its rotten grave.
Immigrants come here for opportunity.
A job is part of that opportunity.
No “illegal” immigrant gets a job without employer consent.
Employers, for the most part, are Republicans.
Ergo, the GOP favors open borders.
That they pretend otherwise is racism.
Pure. And. Simple.
QED
Immigrants come here for opportunity.
A job is part of that opportunity.
No “illegal” immigrant gets a job without employer consent.
Employers, for the most part, are Republicans.
Ergo, the GOP favors open borders.
That they pretend otherwise is racism.
Pure. And. Simple.
QED
“Being stopped repeatedly for being Hispanic? That is a stretch these days.”
That was precisely Arpaio’s criminal M.O.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
Cost to Maricopa County taxpayers: $140 million
He was front and center in campaigning to generalize that criminal behavior across America.
ICE licked his balls and here we are, very generally speaking.
“Being stopped repeatedly for being Hispanic? That is a stretch these days.”
That was precisely Arpaio’s criminal M.O.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
Cost to Maricopa County taxpayers: $140 million
He was front and center in campaigning to generalize that criminal behavior across America.
ICE licked his balls and here we are, very generally speaking.
we could have had a rational border debate. but Trump’s lurid lies have led the GOP base into a hallucinogenic world of terror where they look at people fleeing for their lives and see WWZ-style hordes of rapists and murderers who are pouring over the border in order to pick strawberries and lettuce, murderously.
we could have had a rational border debate. but Trump’s lurid lies have led the GOP base into a hallucinogenic world of terror where they look at people fleeing for their lives and see WWZ-style hordes of rapists and murderers who are pouring over the border in order to pick strawberries and lettuce, murderously.
Specifically and generally and all points in between, the President of the United States just endorsed the murder of Soviet and American journalists for all to see:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-jokes-to-putin-they-should-get-rid-of-journalists?via=newsletter&source=CSAMedition
I’m for closed borders, Mexico’s northern one they share with the former United States of America. Mexico should shoot on sight all white conservatives attempting to gain access to their country.
Profile their asses.
Specifically and generally and all points in between, the President of the United States just endorsed the murder of Soviet and American journalists for all to see:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-jokes-to-putin-they-should-get-rid-of-journalists?via=newsletter&source=CSAMedition
I’m for closed borders, Mexico’s northern one they share with the former United States of America. Mexico should shoot on sight all white conservatives attempting to gain access to their country.
Profile their asses.
Just as Arpaio’s victims were the general model for today’s conservative immigration bullshit, so is Khashoggi’s murder and dismemberment the now generalized model for what conservative vermin have in store for journalists around the world.
Just as Arpaio’s victims were the general model for today’s conservative immigration bullshit, so is Khashoggi’s murder and dismemberment the now generalized model for what conservative vermin have in store for journalists around the world.
Just a note, as a Coloradan, Michael Bennet was considered at one time early in his public career to be perhaps the most conservative, non-insane, principled Democrat in America, in fact, liberals out here wondered why he didn’t just move to the republican party and get it over with.
Then the Overton Window was boarded up and moved to
and a drive up window was installed to order and pick up a steady diet of takeout dog shit.
Just a note, as a Coloradan, Michael Bennet was considered at one time early in his public career to be perhaps the most conservative, non-insane, principled Democrat in America, in fact, liberals out here wondered why he didn’t just move to the republican party and get it over with.
Then the Overton Window was boarded up and moved to
and a drive up window was installed to order and pick up a steady diet of takeout dog shit.
No one I know objects to people going to a port of entry and requesting asylum.
Fire up Google and search for “change US asylum law”.
And no, no one is intentionally mistreating children.
You know this, how? And what is the bar for “intent”? If someone follows law or policy with a result that children are mistreated, are they somehow exempt from having done so “intentionally”?
why does the color of your skin matter?
A question for the ages if ever there was one.
No one I know objects to people going to a port of entry and requesting asylum.
Fire up Google and search for “change US asylum law”.
And no, no one is intentionally mistreating children.
You know this, how? And what is the bar for “intent”? If someone follows law or policy with a result that children are mistreated, are they somehow exempt from having done so “intentionally”?
why does the color of your skin matter?
A question for the ages if ever there was one.
Deny healthcare because the sick and the diseased might use it:
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/06/28/Foxs-Stuart-Varney-and-Tammy-Bruce-suggest-that-extending-health-care-to-undocumented-migr/224086
Precisely the same as their view regarding extending healthcare to sick and diseased American citizens who can’t afford to see a doctor.
Health insurance is the leading cause of cancer, diabetes, and heart disease among the general public and the leading cause of STD’s among conservative christians.
Stuart Varney still hasn’t lost his poncy Russian accent, despite being in country talking American shit with flat-voweled, blonde confederate shitheads for years.
Deny healthcare because the sick and the diseased might use it:
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/06/28/Foxs-Stuart-Varney-and-Tammy-Bruce-suggest-that-extending-health-care-to-undocumented-migr/224086
Precisely the same as their view regarding extending healthcare to sick and diseased American citizens who can’t afford to see a doctor.
Health insurance is the leading cause of cancer, diabetes, and heart disease among the general public and the leading cause of STD’s among conservative christians.
Stuart Varney still hasn’t lost his poncy Russian accent, despite being in country talking American shit with flat-voweled, blonde confederate shitheads for years.
The mixture of overwhelming numbers and inadequate process created a crisis that just months ago people here denied existed.
That’s because just months ago it didn’t.
The mixture of overwhelming numbers and inadequate process created a crisis that just months ago people here denied existed.
That’s because just months ago it didn’t.
A recent (R) proposal to change asylum law.
tl;dr – applicants from Central America have to apply in their own country. Applications at US points of entry will be refused.
You need better information.
A recent (R) proposal to change asylum law.
tl;dr – applicants from Central America have to apply in their own country. Applications at US points of entry will be refused.
You need better information.
tl;dr – applicants from Central America have to apply in their own country. Applications at US points of entry will be refused.
I don’t have time to track it down, but if I understand correctly, consulates, or wherever they would have to apply in their own country, are being shut down.
Like voting sites in black neighborhoods in some parts of the US. Like….a lot of things.
tl;dr – applicants from Central America have to apply in their own country. Applications at US points of entry will be refused.
I don’t have time to track it down, but if I understand correctly, consulates, or wherever they would have to apply in their own country, are being shut down.
Like voting sites in black neighborhoods in some parts of the US. Like….a lot of things.
“why does the color of your skin matter?”
Makes it easier for law enforcement to profile.
Makes it easier to decide who gets paid less.
Makes it easier to keep the neighborhood pretty much one color.
Makes it easier for Bolsonaro of Brazil to get his mestizo on.
Makes it easier to tell the riff from the raff. No actually, it makes it much harder, if recent events are representative.
Makes it easier to solve crimes by arresting and prosecuting the wrong guy.
“why does the color of your skin matter?”
Makes it easier for law enforcement to profile.
Makes it easier to decide who gets paid less.
Makes it easier to keep the neighborhood pretty much one color.
Makes it easier for Bolsonaro of Brazil to get his mestizo on.
Makes it easier to tell the riff from the raff. No actually, it makes it much harder, if recent events are representative.
Makes it easier to solve crimes by arresting and prosecuting the wrong guy.
That’s because just months ago it didn’t.
Create the crisis, be it only imaginary or made real by you (in this case, both, in succession), so you can whine about it being someone else’s fault and scare people into supporting you because you’re the only one smart and tough enough to fix it.
Trump 101.
That’s because just months ago it didn’t.
Create the crisis, be it only imaginary or made real by you (in this case, both, in succession), so you can whine about it being someone else’s fault and scare people into supporting you because you’re the only one smart and tough enough to fix it.
Trump 101.
Trump 101.
Politics 101.
Trump 101.
Politics 101.
No, the crisis was exacerbated by the increasing numbers, particularly of unaccompanied minors. That doesnt mean it didng exist.
To make any other argument you have to focus on doofuses most outrageous tweet storms rather than reality.
No, the crisis was exacerbated by the increasing numbers, particularly of unaccompanied minors. That doesnt mean it didng exist.
To make any other argument you have to focus on doofuses most outrageous tweet storms rather than reality.
The numbers were exacerbated by the conditions in the countries the people are fleeing. And Trump’s response to those conditions is to cut aid and make the conditions worse rather than finding a way to help. That and making his policies regarding the people who do get here as inhumane as possible, plus incompetence for bonus points.
The numbers were exacerbated by the conditions in the countries the people are fleeing. And Trump’s response to those conditions is to cut aid and make the conditions worse rather than finding a way to help. That and making his policies regarding the people who do get here as inhumane as possible, plus incompetence for bonus points.
Politics 101.
Bullsh*t. Trump is beyond normal politics in this and any number of other regards.
Politics 101.
Bullsh*t. Trump is beyond normal politics in this and any number of other regards.
No, the crisis was exacerbated by the increasing numbers
You say potato, I say patahto.
The reason “people around here” were saying a “crisis” didn’t exist just “few months ago” is that it didn’t.
The increased numbers are the crisis. Or, at least, the increased numbers are how the crisis manifests itself here, the actual crisis is south of there.
The “crisis” prior to that was historically low numbers of people entering illegally. Go look it up.
In any case, I see no point in discussing this stuff if we can’t settle on a common set of basic facts. Mine come from the Customs and Border Protection and the congressional record. I’m sticking with those.
No, the crisis was exacerbated by the increasing numbers
You say potato, I say patahto.
The reason “people around here” were saying a “crisis” didn’t exist just “few months ago” is that it didn’t.
The increased numbers are the crisis. Or, at least, the increased numbers are how the crisis manifests itself here, the actual crisis is south of there.
The “crisis” prior to that was historically low numbers of people entering illegally. Go look it up.
In any case, I see no point in discussing this stuff if we can’t settle on a common set of basic facts. Mine come from the Customs and Border Protection and the congressional record. I’m sticking with those.
No, the crisis was exacerbated by the increasing numbers, particularly of unaccompanied minors.
lot of rapists, drug smugglers and murderers in that population? need a lot of armed yokels doing army cosplay to handle unarmed mothers and children, do ya?
No, the crisis was exacerbated by the increasing numbers, particularly of unaccompanied minors.
lot of rapists, drug smugglers and murderers in that population? need a lot of armed yokels doing army cosplay to handle unarmed mothers and children, do ya?
p is the Meat “Beyond Meat” is attempting to get beyond.
p is the Meat “Beyond Meat” is attempting to get beyond.
This is a good article:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/john-roberts-supreme-court-census-case-well-played.html
Do not expect Roberts to write an opinion that spurs his conservative colleagues to accuse him of being a liberal revolutionary. Don’t expect Gorsuch to do it, either, when a case has political implications. The five justices who shut partisan gerrymandering claims out of federal court forever on Thursday will stick together in the big, front-page cases unless Republican officials lie so egregiously, or break the law so incompetently, that Roberts cannot rule in their favor without embarrassing himself and bringing shame upon the court. Avoiding humiliation, personal and institutional: That appears to be Roberts’ M.O. in the Trump years. Which means the Supreme Court will do everything it can to shore up the Trump administration’s pro-business, deregulatory, anti–civil rights, pro–religious establishment, and vote-suppressive goals without openly degrading itself in service of the president. If you’re counting small blessings, that’s more than Senate Republicans have been willing to do.
This is a good article:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/john-roberts-supreme-court-census-case-well-played.html
Do not expect Roberts to write an opinion that spurs his conservative colleagues to accuse him of being a liberal revolutionary. Don’t expect Gorsuch to do it, either, when a case has political implications. The five justices who shut partisan gerrymandering claims out of federal court forever on Thursday will stick together in the big, front-page cases unless Republican officials lie so egregiously, or break the law so incompetently, that Roberts cannot rule in their favor without embarrassing himself and bringing shame upon the court. Avoiding humiliation, personal and institutional: That appears to be Roberts’ M.O. in the Trump years. Which means the Supreme Court will do everything it can to shore up the Trump administration’s pro-business, deregulatory, anti–civil rights, pro–religious establishment, and vote-suppressive goals without openly degrading itself in service of the president. If you’re counting small blessings, that’s more than Senate Republicans have been willing to do.
“To make any other argument you have to focus on doofuses most outrageous tweet storms rather than reality.”
Attempts to focus directly in person on what is going in the concentration camps are turned away, thus the tweets are all we have.
The people’s, the taxpayer’s, representatives are prevented from their job and reporting back to Marty, who has expressed generalized disapproval of everything government does with his tax money, with the exception of this, as far as the record shows.
His money raining down on Yemen seems to go unremarked, so we can’t be sure there, not that anyone’s remarks are going to permeate this government, which will be savagely overthrown.
These representatives, these candidates, should be permitted to tour these facilities daily, as should the press, as they damned well please, just like they may tour the Hoover Dam, or Lockheed weapons production lines, or the local understaffed Social Security office.
“To make any other argument you have to focus on doofuses most outrageous tweet storms rather than reality.”
Attempts to focus directly in person on what is going in the concentration camps are turned away, thus the tweets are all we have.
The people’s, the taxpayer’s, representatives are prevented from their job and reporting back to Marty, who has expressed generalized disapproval of everything government does with his tax money, with the exception of this, as far as the record shows.
His money raining down on Yemen seems to go unremarked, so we can’t be sure there, not that anyone’s remarks are going to permeate this government, which will be savagely overthrown.
These representatives, these candidates, should be permitted to tour these facilities daily, as should the press, as they damned well please, just like they may tour the Hoover Dam, or Lockheed weapons production lines, or the local understaffed Social Security office.
For what value links are in these discussions, which is precisely bupkis in these waning days of the Republic, here:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/28/1868036/-Five-2020-candidates-tried-to-tour-the-Florida-prison-camp-for-migrant-kids-They-were-all-blocked
For what value links are in these discussions, which is precisely bupkis in these waning days of the Republic, here:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/28/1868036/-Five-2020-candidates-tried-to-tour-the-Florida-prison-camp-for-migrant-kids-They-were-all-blocked
Yeah, showboating, like those candidates are doing, is normative politics 101 in a democracy, a Republic, so shove that insult.
What the p maladministration prefers is something along the lines of Walter Duranty of the New York Times being given a no-look-see briefing over a meal of top-shelf caviar on Ukraine crop yields and dietary conditions in the 1930s by Stalin gummint operatives.
I can’t imagine where p got the idea.
If not from Putin, then from his hotel/restaurant business in which his subhuman lying unqualified arrogant gets usher city kitchen inspectors away from the creep-crawly bacteria laden scum and grime they feed their guests.
Nothing to see here.
What’s that odor?
Yeah, showboating, like those candidates are doing, is normative politics 101 in a democracy, a Republic, so shove that insult.
What the p maladministration prefers is something along the lines of Walter Duranty of the New York Times being given a no-look-see briefing over a meal of top-shelf caviar on Ukraine crop yields and dietary conditions in the 1930s by Stalin gummint operatives.
I can’t imagine where p got the idea.
If not from Putin, then from his hotel/restaurant business in which his subhuman lying unqualified arrogant gets usher city kitchen inspectors away from the creep-crawly bacteria laden scum and grime they feed their guests.
Nothing to see here.
What’s that odor?
A Christian conservative showboater doing his own normative politics/religion 101:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/migrant-children-christ-with-the-meek/
This after condemning, after first misrepresenting, all of the Democratic candidates views on the immigration issue.
Suffer the little children.
But only on conservative terms.
Fuck off.
A Christian conservative showboater doing his own normative politics/religion 101:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/migrant-children-christ-with-the-meek/
This after condemning, after first misrepresenting, all of the Democratic candidates views on the immigration issue.
Suffer the little children.
But only on conservative terms.
Fuck off.
from Dreher comments:
ladies and gentlemen: The American Conservative.
from Dreher comments:
ladies and gentlemen: The American Conservative.
Do not expect Roberts to write an opinion that spurs his conservative colleagues to accuse him of being a liberal revolutionary. Don’t expect Gorsuch to do it, either, when a case has political implications. The five justices who shut partisan gerrymandering claims out of federal court forever on Thursday will stick together in the big, front-page cases unless Republican officials lie so egregiously, or break the law so incompetently, that Roberts cannot rule in their favor without embarrassing himself and bringing shame upon the court.
Roberts went out of his way to guarantee states that want to do something about it that they can.
Nine of 13 western states have commissions of some sort to draw the lines. Utah’s commission can be overruled by the legislature, but the legislature must also publish a report explaining in detail every change they made. The four without commissions are NM, NV, OR, and WY — three blue trifecta states and WY with only one US House seat. A 2020 ballot initiative that would create a commission in OR has reached the signature-collection stage.
My lunatic fringe theory today is that conservative justices have set out to create two Americas — one consisting of states that will send enough Republicans to Washington to keep a conservative court majority intact, and the other of states where the justices and their families would prefer to live.
Do not expect Roberts to write an opinion that spurs his conservative colleagues to accuse him of being a liberal revolutionary. Don’t expect Gorsuch to do it, either, when a case has political implications. The five justices who shut partisan gerrymandering claims out of federal court forever on Thursday will stick together in the big, front-page cases unless Republican officials lie so egregiously, or break the law so incompetently, that Roberts cannot rule in their favor without embarrassing himself and bringing shame upon the court.
Roberts went out of his way to guarantee states that want to do something about it that they can.
Nine of 13 western states have commissions of some sort to draw the lines. Utah’s commission can be overruled by the legislature, but the legislature must also publish a report explaining in detail every change they made. The four without commissions are NM, NV, OR, and WY — three blue trifecta states and WY with only one US House seat. A 2020 ballot initiative that would create a commission in OR has reached the signature-collection stage.
My lunatic fringe theory today is that conservative justices have set out to create two Americas — one consisting of states that will send enough Republicans to Washington to keep a conservative court majority intact, and the other of states where the justices and their families would prefer to live.
Roberts went out of his way to guarantee states that want to do something about it that they can.
and what exactly is NC supposed to do about it?
the GOP has a death grip on all legislative seats. there is no ballot initiative process. only the NC State legislature can put an amendment on the ballot.
what did Roberts guarantee NC?
he guaranteed that the GOP will stay in control forever.
Roberts went out of his way to guarantee states that want to do something about it that they can.
and what exactly is NC supposed to do about it?
the GOP has a death grip on all legislative seats. there is no ballot initiative process. only the NC State legislature can put an amendment on the ballot.
what did Roberts guarantee NC?
he guaranteed that the GOP will stay in control forever.
Roberts went out of his way to guarantee states that want to do something about it that they can.
I do not believe that “This is not our problem” is the same as “going out of his way”.
As it stands now, the only way this can be corrected in places like NC might well be political violence.
How’s that for going out of the way?
Of course, it goes without saying that if Dems did such a thing, violence would be wholly justified….you know, those second amendment remedies we are reminded of all the time.
Roberts went out of his way to guarantee states that want to do something about it that they can.
I do not believe that “This is not our problem” is the same as “going out of his way”.
As it stands now, the only way this can be corrected in places like NC might well be political violence.
How’s that for going out of the way?
Of course, it goes without saying that if Dems did such a thing, violence would be wholly justified….you know, those second amendment remedies we are reminded of all the time.
A situation in which blue states hold fair elections and red states don’t is less than optimal, especially for the House.
A situation in which blue states hold fair elections and red states don’t is less than optimal, especially for the House.
Roberts went out of his way to guarantee states that want to do something about it that they can.
Nine of 13 western states have commissions of some sort to draw the lines.
Of course, Roberts’ comment about the people having ways to change things if they don’t like gerrymandering (i.e. initiatives) ignores the detail that those are mostly only available west of the Mississippi. Guess eastern states don’t count…?
Roberts went out of his way to guarantee states that want to do something about it that they can.
Nine of 13 western states have commissions of some sort to draw the lines.
Of course, Roberts’ comment about the people having ways to change things if they don’t like gerrymandering (i.e. initiatives) ignores the detail that those are mostly only available west of the Mississippi. Guess eastern states don’t count…?
Marty: Identification is pretty easy to buy.
Does the open-borders-blah-blah crowd (of which Marty appears to be a card-carrying member) consider that a problem? or not?
Would harder-to-obtain ID help Make America Great Again? or help ruin it for blond blue-eyed Aryans who love Liberty(TM)?
We already got Marty’s answer: my answer to the id question is to shrug.
Marty is evidently not interested in assuring that only “legal” Americans can live in the US, but simply in backing He, Trump’s “(Republican) policies”.
Listen up, Democrats: Marty is the most “reasonable” True Conservative that America has to offer. If you think you can win anything politically by catering to, or compromising with, people like Marty — let alone the MAGA maggots to his right — you’re kidding yourselves. I’m specifically talking to you, Nancy.
–TP
Marty: Identification is pretty easy to buy.
Does the open-borders-blah-blah crowd (of which Marty appears to be a card-carrying member) consider that a problem? or not?
Would harder-to-obtain ID help Make America Great Again? or help ruin it for blond blue-eyed Aryans who love Liberty(TM)?
We already got Marty’s answer: my answer to the id question is to shrug.
Marty is evidently not interested in assuring that only “legal” Americans can live in the US, but simply in backing He, Trump’s “(Republican) policies”.
Listen up, Democrats: Marty is the most “reasonable” True Conservative that America has to offer. If you think you can win anything politically by catering to, or compromising with, people like Marty — let alone the MAGA maggots to his right — you’re kidding yourselves. I’m specifically talking to you, Nancy.
–TP
emotional, distinctly feminine “think of the children” appeals intended to demoralize any efforts at border enforcement.
It’s so much simpler than that.
We “lefties” and “liberals” aren’t afraid of Hispanic people who want to emigrate here. We don’t necessarily think they should all be allowed to come here, we just aren’t afraid of them. Because they have no intention to do us any harm.
And we don’t think kids should be separated from their families, and we don’t think they, or anyone, should be required to sleep on a fucking concrete bench while they wait for our half-assed underfunded understaffed immigration court system to catch up with the backlog.
That’s about it.
If Rod Dreher can’t restrain himself from trying to read my damned mind, I’ll at least ask him to STFU and keep his weird imagination to himself.
The man apparently has issues. His problem, not mine.
emotional, distinctly feminine “think of the children” appeals intended to demoralize any efforts at border enforcement.
It’s so much simpler than that.
We “lefties” and “liberals” aren’t afraid of Hispanic people who want to emigrate here. We don’t necessarily think they should all be allowed to come here, we just aren’t afraid of them. Because they have no intention to do us any harm.
And we don’t think kids should be separated from their families, and we don’t think they, or anyone, should be required to sleep on a fucking concrete bench while they wait for our half-assed underfunded understaffed immigration court system to catch up with the backlog.
That’s about it.
If Rod Dreher can’t restrain himself from trying to read my damned mind, I’ll at least ask him to STFU and keep his weird imagination to himself.
The man apparently has issues. His problem, not mine.
Apologies to Rod Dreher, I see that the comment cleek cites is from FL Cottonmouth.
Dear Mr. Cottonmouth: piss up a rope.
Apologies to Rod Dreher, I see that the comment cleek cites is from FL Cottonmouth.
Dear Mr. Cottonmouth: piss up a rope.
We “lefties” and “liberals” aren’t afraid of Hispanic people who want to emigrate here. We don’t necessarily think they should all be allowed to come here, we just aren’t afraid of them. Because they have no intention to do us any harm.
And we don’t think kids should be separated from their families, and we don’t think they, or anyone, should be required to sleep on a fucking concrete bench while they wait for our half-assed underfunded understaffed immigration court system to catch up with the backlog.
Allow me to observe that it is possible to be pretty damned conservative and still agree with all of that.
We “lefties” and “liberals” aren’t afraid of Hispanic people who want to emigrate here. We don’t necessarily think they should all be allowed to come here, we just aren’t afraid of them. Because they have no intention to do us any harm.
And we don’t think kids should be separated from their families, and we don’t think they, or anyone, should be required to sleep on a fucking concrete bench while they wait for our half-assed underfunded understaffed immigration court system to catch up with the backlog.
Allow me to observe that it is possible to be pretty damned conservative and still agree with all of that.
Stop calling me Nancy! %-)
On alot of those Dreher threads and elsewhere at TAC, you run into a lot of condemnations of the “feminization” of this and that in the culture and accompanying assertions that women must submit, also bitter male divorcees who can put their bitterness precisely where bitter female divorcees have been putting their bitterness since time began: where the sun don’t shine.
I doubt that Dreher’s wife submits, but nevertheless those (probably not all) comments make it through “moderation”, while some of mine, sans my language, which call Dreher or commenters on this stuff go up in smoke.
I’d complain about being “de-platformed”, but since I have no problem with Nazis being “de-platformed on social media, I’ve no problem with that.
Just as I’ve never complained when most of my letters to the editors to traditional media don’t make it through to publication, otherwise they would be called “Letters to Those Who Don’t Bother With Editors”.
Conservatives: The victimized class.
Apparently if you can’t grab yer balls while having it over on the liberals, the traditional God-given power differential has been flipped, and woe is them, though that doesn’t seem to stop Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin from reaching for p’s.
Stop calling me Nancy! %-)
On alot of those Dreher threads and elsewhere at TAC, you run into a lot of condemnations of the “feminization” of this and that in the culture and accompanying assertions that women must submit, also bitter male divorcees who can put their bitterness precisely where bitter female divorcees have been putting their bitterness since time began: where the sun don’t shine.
I doubt that Dreher’s wife submits, but nevertheless those (probably not all) comments make it through “moderation”, while some of mine, sans my language, which call Dreher or commenters on this stuff go up in smoke.
I’d complain about being “de-platformed”, but since I have no problem with Nazis being “de-platformed on social media, I’ve no problem with that.
Just as I’ve never complained when most of my letters to the editors to traditional media don’t make it through to publication, otherwise they would be called “Letters to Those Who Don’t Bother With Editors”.
Conservatives: The victimized class.
Apparently if you can’t grab yer balls while having it over on the liberals, the traditional God-given power differential has been flipped, and woe is them, though that doesn’t seem to stop Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin from reaching for p’s.
wj wrote:
“Allow me to observe that it is possible to be pretty damned conservative and still agree with all of that.”
True, the cottonmouths, vipers, cobras and mambas lurking on low-hanging branches have given the other harmless snakes of conservatism a bad name.
I try … try, to keep that in mind.
wj wrote:
“Allow me to observe that it is possible to be pretty damned conservative and still agree with all of that.”
True, the cottonmouths, vipers, cobras and mambas lurking on low-hanging branches have given the other harmless snakes of conservatism a bad name.
I try … try, to keep that in mind.
Maybe we should establish ‘preservative’ as an additional political category.
(not in German though since there it is a synonym for condom).
Maybe we should establish ‘preservative’ as an additional political category.
(not in German though since there it is a synonym for condom).
True, the cottonmouths, vipers, cobras and mambas lurking on low-hanging branches have given the other harmless snakes of conservatism a bad name.
This reminds me of the South African politician once in parliament, wishing to insult a fellow-parliamentarian but having been warned by the Speaker for un-parliamentary language when he called him a lying snake, started his next sentence by referring to his opponent as “the honourable mamba from xxx”
It’s 91.5 degrees here in the land where there’s very little air-conditioning, and never enough ice. Thank God it’s not France, where yesterday was 115 degrees, the hottest on record.
True, the cottonmouths, vipers, cobras and mambas lurking on low-hanging branches have given the other harmless snakes of conservatism a bad name.
This reminds me of the South African politician once in parliament, wishing to insult a fellow-parliamentarian but having been warned by the Speaker for un-parliamentary language when he called him a lying snake, started his next sentence by referring to his opponent as “the honourable mamba from xxx”
It’s 91.5 degrees here in the land where there’s very little air-conditioning, and never enough ice. Thank God it’s not France, where yesterday was 115 degrees, the hottest on record.
RIP Raimondo:
His was a voice.
RIP Raimondo:
His was a voice.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/justin-raimondo-rip/
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/justin-raimondo-rip/
The Democratic Party is a hydra-headed dope:
https://juanitajean.com/my-take/
Run and win back the Senate, for crying out loud.
Or be a Governor
The Democratic Party is a hydra-headed dope:
https://juanitajean.com/my-take/
Run and win back the Senate, for crying out loud.
Or be a Governor
I try … try, to keep that in mind.
I’m aware that the reactionaries and xenophobes make it hard. Which is why I try not to harp on the subject too much.
I try … try, to keep that in mind.
I’m aware that the reactionaries and xenophobes make it hard. Which is why I try not to harp on the subject too much.
Run and win back the Senate, for crying out loud.
Or be a Governor
Amen. Especially the latter in places where a gerrymandered current legislature means winning the governorship is the only way to get a fair redistricting after the next census.
Run and win back the Senate, for crying out loud.
Or be a Governor
Amen. Especially the latter in places where a gerrymandered current legislature means winning the governorship is the only way to get a fair redistricting after the next census.
Unless of course a lame duck state legislature strips the governorship of its powers when someone from the opposition wins it.
Unless of course a lame duck state legislature strips the governorship of its powers when someone from the opposition wins it.
Always good to see those involved rejecting pervasive hypocrisy. Whether in politics or elsewhere.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/a-more-open-way-of-being-catholics-in-kenya-rebel-against-celibacy-vow-for-priests/2019/05/31/4cfa93a6-45d0-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html
Given what we are seeing revealed about the Catholic Church of late, it seems like a seriously necessary step out of the shadows.
Always good to see those involved rejecting pervasive hypocrisy. Whether in politics or elsewhere.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/a-more-open-way-of-being-catholics-in-kenya-rebel-against-celibacy-vow-for-priests/2019/05/31/4cfa93a6-45d0-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html
Given what we are seeing revealed about the Catholic Church of late, it seems like a seriously necessary step out of the shadows.
One of the (certainly way premature, but interesting nonetheless) ticket speculation I’ve run across the last couple of days is Harris/Buttigeig. More than anything else, I confess that a huge attraction for me would be the chance to see Pence in a debate up against a man who will look him in the eye and say:
One of the (certainly way premature, but interesting nonetheless) ticket speculation I’ve run across the last couple of days is Harris/Buttigeig. More than anything else, I confess that a huge attraction for me would be the chance to see Pence in a debate up against a man who will look him in the eye and say:
What you forget, wj, is that Pence is an OLD Testament christian. God did a lot of smiting and condemning in there, and since He seems to be falling down on the job these days, Pence and his ilk feel it’s their duty to take His work on themselves.
–TP
What you forget, wj, is that Pence is an OLD Testament christian. God did a lot of smiting and condemning in there, and since He seems to be falling down on the job these days, Pence and his ilk feel it’s their duty to take His work on themselves.
–TP
I basically agree with Juanita Jean’s analysis.
I have nothing but respect for folks like Warren, Harris, Booker, Butigeig. The crop of candidates on offer is a remarkable bench. Even so-called “second tier” folks like Castro and Inslee are bringing a much-needed focus on critical issues.
And, I don’t know if any of them can beat Trump. They all stand for change of one kind of another. Change freaks people out. Good change, bad change, doesn’t matter. It freaks people out, and it will be a disincentive at the voting booth.
I think Warren basically gave up the race when she raised her hand on the “replace private insurance” question. Right, wrong, doesn’t matter. People who have private insurance and are generally happy with it don’t trust that whatever she has in mind is going to be better, or even as good.
Plus, (a) woman, plus (b) Massachusetts, plus (c) Harvard.
Harris kicks ass and takes names, but she’s burdened by (a) woman, plus (b) California, plus (c) black. And yeah, I know Obama was black, but trust me, it’s still a thing.
Nobody really knows who Booker is. Lots of people like Butigeig, but the jump from mayor of small midwestern city to POTUS is too freaking large.
IMO Biden could beat Trump because he’s an old school white guy who can hang with old school white dudes, without utterly turning off all the folks who are going to vote (D) no matter who runs. Biden could beat Trump because he can run on “let’s get back to normal”. Which lots of people – people whose votes will be needed to get the freaking toxic malevolent weirdo who currently fills the role of POTUS out – will find appealing.
For good or ill, “let’s get back to normal” beats “I have a great plan for you”. Even if “normal” is/was problematic and “great plans” are sorely needed.
Let’s get back to normal would, in fact, be a great freaking first step toward wherever the hell it is we need to get. Baby steps.
And I sort of don’t even care if that sucks or not. We can’t afford to care about whether that sucks or not. There are other things to address that are more urgent, and we all know what they are.
If Biden is the guy who is most likely to get grifting sleazebag Trump and his grifting sleazebag family the hell out of public life, then so be it. Run, Joe, run.
Warren, Booker, and Harris are freaking warriors in the Senate. Let it be. If Beto can hand somebody their @ss in TX, all good. Mayor Pete actually seems like a pretty good mayor, and has acquitted himself damned well on the national stage. He’s young, he’s got years ahead of himself to make his mark.
If a ham sandwich will beat Trump, then nominate that ham sandwich. No ham sandwiches are running, so if Sleepy Joe is the guy to get it done, nominate Sleepy Joe. Probably not the best guy, also not the worst.
Just get Trump the hell out of there. Get it done.
And hell yeah, the other 20 or so folks have had their 15 minutes, time for them to get out of the way.
I basically agree with Juanita Jean’s analysis.
I have nothing but respect for folks like Warren, Harris, Booker, Butigeig. The crop of candidates on offer is a remarkable bench. Even so-called “second tier” folks like Castro and Inslee are bringing a much-needed focus on critical issues.
And, I don’t know if any of them can beat Trump. They all stand for change of one kind of another. Change freaks people out. Good change, bad change, doesn’t matter. It freaks people out, and it will be a disincentive at the voting booth.
I think Warren basically gave up the race when she raised her hand on the “replace private insurance” question. Right, wrong, doesn’t matter. People who have private insurance and are generally happy with it don’t trust that whatever she has in mind is going to be better, or even as good.
Plus, (a) woman, plus (b) Massachusetts, plus (c) Harvard.
Harris kicks ass and takes names, but she’s burdened by (a) woman, plus (b) California, plus (c) black. And yeah, I know Obama was black, but trust me, it’s still a thing.
Nobody really knows who Booker is. Lots of people like Butigeig, but the jump from mayor of small midwestern city to POTUS is too freaking large.
IMO Biden could beat Trump because he’s an old school white guy who can hang with old school white dudes, without utterly turning off all the folks who are going to vote (D) no matter who runs. Biden could beat Trump because he can run on “let’s get back to normal”. Which lots of people – people whose votes will be needed to get the freaking toxic malevolent weirdo who currently fills the role of POTUS out – will find appealing.
For good or ill, “let’s get back to normal” beats “I have a great plan for you”. Even if “normal” is/was problematic and “great plans” are sorely needed.
Let’s get back to normal would, in fact, be a great freaking first step toward wherever the hell it is we need to get. Baby steps.
And I sort of don’t even care if that sucks or not. We can’t afford to care about whether that sucks or not. There are other things to address that are more urgent, and we all know what they are.
If Biden is the guy who is most likely to get grifting sleazebag Trump and his grifting sleazebag family the hell out of public life, then so be it. Run, Joe, run.
Warren, Booker, and Harris are freaking warriors in the Senate. Let it be. If Beto can hand somebody their @ss in TX, all good. Mayor Pete actually seems like a pretty good mayor, and has acquitted himself damned well on the national stage. He’s young, he’s got years ahead of himself to make his mark.
If a ham sandwich will beat Trump, then nominate that ham sandwich. No ham sandwiches are running, so if Sleepy Joe is the guy to get it done, nominate Sleepy Joe. Probably not the best guy, also not the worst.
Just get Trump the hell out of there. Get it done.
And hell yeah, the other 20 or so folks have had their 15 minutes, time for them to get out of the way.
What you forget, wj, is that Pence is an OLD Testament christian. God did a lot of smiting and condemning in there, and since He seems to be falling down on the job these days, Pence and his ilk feel it’s their duty to take His work on themselves.
Granted. But a) “Old Testament Christian” is an oxymoron, and b) even among (white) evangelicals, especially younger ones, it’s an increasingly losing vision of their faith.
What you forget, wj, is that Pence is an OLD Testament christian. God did a lot of smiting and condemning in there, and since He seems to be falling down on the job these days, Pence and his ilk feel it’s their duty to take His work on themselves.
Granted. But a) “Old Testament Christian” is an oxymoron, and b) even among (white) evangelicals, especially younger ones, it’s an increasingly losing vision of their faith.
all the folks who are going to vote (D) no matter who runs.
What tends to be meant by this (sorry if it wasn’t the case for you) is “folks who won’t vote (R)”. The problem is, getting them to show up at all. If, for example, blacks** had turned out in 2016 in the numbers that turned out for Obama, Clinton would be President. They certainly didn’t vote for Trump. The problem was that they didn’t vote at all.
What I expect to be critical for whoever is the Democratic nominee is inspiring their supporters to bestir themselves on election day. With the not-inconsequential side benefit of improving Democrats’ chances down ballot. Which is where Congressional representation for the next decade will be determined.
** Yes, this applies to other groups as well. Younger voters, for one.
all the folks who are going to vote (D) no matter who runs.
What tends to be meant by this (sorry if it wasn’t the case for you) is “folks who won’t vote (R)”. The problem is, getting them to show up at all. If, for example, blacks** had turned out in 2016 in the numbers that turned out for Obama, Clinton would be President. They certainly didn’t vote for Trump. The problem was that they didn’t vote at all.
What I expect to be critical for whoever is the Democratic nominee is inspiring their supporters to bestir themselves on election day. With the not-inconsequential side benefit of improving Democrats’ chances down ballot. Which is where Congressional representation for the next decade will be determined.
** Yes, this applies to other groups as well. Younger voters, for one.
immigrants.
fuck the GOP
immigrants.
fuck the GOP
Russell,
If you can get McTX, Seb, bc, and Slarti on record that they will vote for Biden in 2020 then I’m all in with you. (I think wj already said he would, and Marty that he won’t.) If not, then we might as well go with the ham sandwich.
I like Biden. Back in 2008, I was saying that Biden would make a better president than he ever was a candidate. In 2016 I was asking whether Biden was constitutionally barred from serving as VP another term or two. If elected POTUS in 2020, he will of course go down in history as the man who saved America from He, Trump; whether he would also save it from Mitch McConnell — or “work with him” to “get things done” — is a different question. And as you have pointed out yourself, “we” want different “things” to get “done”.
Anyway, I worry a bit about “electability” arguments. I mean, look at Corporal Bonespur: was he “electable” in any but a post hoc sense? Was Obama called “The Electable One” in 2007? So, until our conservative regulars are willing to say “We will vote for Biden — and not some fringe Libertarian(TM) — in 2020”, I hesitate to call for Democrats to clear the field for Biden.
BTW, even if a President Biden picks Kamala Harris as his AG and gives her free reign to prosecute Individual_1 and his mob family, the MAGA maggots will still be ahead of the game. To save the Republic, defeating He, Trump is necessary but not sufficient.
–TP
Russell,
If you can get McTX, Seb, bc, and Slarti on record that they will vote for Biden in 2020 then I’m all in with you. (I think wj already said he would, and Marty that he won’t.) If not, then we might as well go with the ham sandwich.
I like Biden. Back in 2008, I was saying that Biden would make a better president than he ever was a candidate. In 2016 I was asking whether Biden was constitutionally barred from serving as VP another term or two. If elected POTUS in 2020, he will of course go down in history as the man who saved America from He, Trump; whether he would also save it from Mitch McConnell — or “work with him” to “get things done” — is a different question. And as you have pointed out yourself, “we” want different “things” to get “done”.
Anyway, I worry a bit about “electability” arguments. I mean, look at Corporal Bonespur: was he “electable” in any but a post hoc sense? Was Obama called “The Electable One” in 2007? So, until our conservative regulars are willing to say “We will vote for Biden — and not some fringe Libertarian(TM) — in 2020”, I hesitate to call for Democrats to clear the field for Biden.
BTW, even if a President Biden picks Kamala Harris as his AG and gives her free reign to prosecute Individual_1 and his mob family, the MAGA maggots will still be ahead of the game. To save the Republic, defeating He, Trump is necessary but not sufficient.
–TP
If you can get McTX, Seb, bc, and Slarti on record that they will vote for Biden in 2020 then I’m all in with you. (I think wj already said he would, and Marty that he won’t.)
Heck, I would vote for Sanders over Trump. Even though I think he would be a disaster as President. (Because, compared to Trump, pretty much anyone running would be a step forward. Yes, even a farce like Williamson. Shudder.)
That said, my preference wouldn’t be Biden. I’d put him somewhere below 5th on my personal, still quite vague, list.
If you can get McTX, Seb, bc, and Slarti on record that they will vote for Biden in 2020 then I’m all in with you. (I think wj already said he would, and Marty that he won’t.)
Heck, I would vote for Sanders over Trump. Even though I think he would be a disaster as President. (Because, compared to Trump, pretty much anyone running would be a step forward. Yes, even a farce like Williamson. Shudder.)
That said, my preference wouldn’t be Biden. I’d put him somewhere below 5th on my personal, still quite vague, list.
If I could vote in the US, my current favourite would be Warren. She has many of what I consider the right ideas, and is competent so could probably get a lot done as POTUS.
But since it’s clearly right that it’s a 5 alarm emergency to get rid of Trump before he does even more damage to the US domestically and internationally, the big question is, as several of you have pointed out, who could beat him. And, as wj points out, this entails getting people out to vote who often don’t. Despite Biden’s advantage with old white guys, I’m very nervous that he has too many negatives with women, and black women in particular (Anita Hill, recent remarks on working with segregationists, etc etc). So calculating and contrasting the negatives, as russell does above, seems to be what has to be done. Which feels so crazy: absolutely any of them would be a miraculous improvement (and I say that confidently, while being absolutely ignorant about most of them).
If I could vote in the US, my current favourite would be Warren. She has many of what I consider the right ideas, and is competent so could probably get a lot done as POTUS.
But since it’s clearly right that it’s a 5 alarm emergency to get rid of Trump before he does even more damage to the US domestically and internationally, the big question is, as several of you have pointed out, who could beat him. And, as wj points out, this entails getting people out to vote who often don’t. Despite Biden’s advantage with old white guys, I’m very nervous that he has too many negatives with women, and black women in particular (Anita Hill, recent remarks on working with segregationists, etc etc). So calculating and contrasting the negatives, as russell does above, seems to be what has to be done. Which feels so crazy: absolutely any of them would be a miraculous improvement (and I say that confidently, while being absolutely ignorant about most of them).
Three things, if I were confident the Senate was going to stay Republican I might vote for Biden.
Second, one of the guys I know that was a staunch Hillary supporter, loved Obama, and is clearly one of the smart kids by self definition tweeted after the debate”Is it me or is Booker kind of a tool,”. I dont think that bodes well for him.
I still see nothing that makes me think Kamala Harris isnt the most competent person on either stage, and likely the next President.
Three things, if I were confident the Senate was going to stay Republican I might vote for Biden.
Second, one of the guys I know that was a staunch Hillary supporter, loved Obama, and is clearly one of the smart kids by self definition tweeted after the debate”Is it me or is Booker kind of a tool,”. I dont think that bodes well for him.
I still see nothing that makes me think Kamala Harris isnt the most competent person on either stage, and likely the next President.
And would you vote for her, Marty, on the same condition as your vote for Biden?
And would you vote for her, Marty, on the same condition as your vote for Biden?
if I were confident the Senate was going to stay Republican I might vote for Biden.
much appreciated. no snark.
I still see nothing that makes me think Kamala Harris isnt the most competent person on either stage, and likely the next President.
we’ll see how it plays out, but agreed that she is formidable. in a good way. we could do much, much worse.
if I were confident the Senate was going to stay Republican I might vote for Biden.
much appreciated. no snark.
I still see nothing that makes me think Kamala Harris isnt the most competent person on either stage, and likely the next President.
we’ll see how it plays out, but agreed that she is formidable. in a good way. we could do much, much worse.
Our sub Presidente:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/06/28/russian-state-tv-implies-the-president-is-a-woman-subservient-to-putin/
Our sub Presidente:
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Whether the Senate stays Republican depends, it seems to me, on two leading indicators:
1) Does Moore manage to get the Alabama GOP Senate nomination? Thus raising the otherwise slim-to-none chance of Jones holding the seat.
2) Does McConnell’s ongoing low approval ratings (-10 in Kentucky at least count) result in him actually losing the seat?
If both those things come to pass, it’s pretty much certain that the Democrats control the Senate. If neither happens, the chances are slim to none. Not because either is likely to be the tipping point, but because they would tend to be indicators of what is happening nationwide.
(I suppose I should add that, disgusting as I consider Moore, I would consider it a net plus for the nation if he won while McConnell lost. McConnell is that bad.)
Whether the Senate stays Republican depends, it seems to me, on two leading indicators:
1) Does Moore manage to get the Alabama GOP Senate nomination? Thus raising the otherwise slim-to-none chance of Jones holding the seat.
2) Does McConnell’s ongoing low approval ratings (-10 in Kentucky at least count) result in him actually losing the seat?
If both those things come to pass, it’s pretty much certain that the Democrats control the Senate. If neither happens, the chances are slim to none. Not because either is likely to be the tipping point, but because they would tend to be indicators of what is happening nationwide.
(I suppose I should add that, disgusting as I consider Moore, I would consider it a net plus for the nation if he won while McConnell lost. McConnell is that bad.)
GftNC,No. She is too competent.Although she could turn out to be unlikable enough to be a one term President.
GftNC,No. She is too competent.Although she could turn out to be unlikable enough to be a one term President.
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He threatens to come out with some sort of busing-related policy.
No doubt the back of the bus will be involved in this for many.
Whatever you do, don’t slow down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKJa-KQNjQU
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He threatens to come out with some sort of busing-related policy.
No doubt the back of the bus will be involved in this for many.
Whatever you do, don’t slow down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKJa-KQNjQU
Thanks for answering, Marty.
I never came back to you on Rolling Thunder, by the way: I only saw him live twice, once at a kind of festival at Blackbushe Aerodrome, and once at Earl’s Court. My sister and I slept out on the streets in line to get tickets for the latter, along with thousands of other people. It was an excellent crowd, people with guitars, people sharing food, dope etc. The police were very tolerant.
Thanks for answering, Marty.
I never came back to you on Rolling Thunder, by the way: I only saw him live twice, once at a kind of festival at Blackbushe Aerodrome, and once at Earl’s Court. My sister and I slept out on the streets in line to get tickets for the latter, along with thousands of other people. It was an excellent crowd, people with guitars, people sharing food, dope etc. The police were very tolerant.
and what exactly is NC supposed to do about it?
I’m assuming you mean what can NC Democrats do; the NC Republicans are probably OK with the current situation.
Take the matter up in NC state courts — the NC supreme court has six registered Democrats and one registered Republican and may see things differently than the SCOTUS did.
The Dems need to flip six state House seats and five state Senate seats to gain majorities. There’s been at least one book written on the way it happened in Colorado — three local hundred-millionaires put up the money through PACs and focused on electing Democrats where the Republicans were weakest, even if those Dems weren’t perfect on the millionaires’ personal policy preferences. But they were Dems and voted with the party on procedural matters. There must be liberal rich folks living in the Research Triangle. Who are the weakest Republicans?
Elect Dems to the US Senate. Win the state’s EC votes. Help put Dems in charge in Congress and the Oval Office and see if the national Dems are willing to take on the problem.
I am not entirely convinced that a Dem Congress and President will take it on. Absent an extremely unlikely outcome in 2020, the Senate would have to nuke the legislative filibuster. There may be enough Democratic Senators that are more scared of what a Republican Congress and President would do with the filibuster gone than of NC gerrymanders. (Just as there’s been no hill valuable enough that McConnell is willing to die on it to kill the legislative filibuster.) There may be too many Dems in the House who are afraid of losing their own gerrymandered advantage.
and what exactly is NC supposed to do about it?
I’m assuming you mean what can NC Democrats do; the NC Republicans are probably OK with the current situation.
Take the matter up in NC state courts — the NC supreme court has six registered Democrats and one registered Republican and may see things differently than the SCOTUS did.
The Dems need to flip six state House seats and five state Senate seats to gain majorities. There’s been at least one book written on the way it happened in Colorado — three local hundred-millionaires put up the money through PACs and focused on electing Democrats where the Republicans were weakest, even if those Dems weren’t perfect on the millionaires’ personal policy preferences. But they were Dems and voted with the party on procedural matters. There must be liberal rich folks living in the Research Triangle. Who are the weakest Republicans?
Elect Dems to the US Senate. Win the state’s EC votes. Help put Dems in charge in Congress and the Oval Office and see if the national Dems are willing to take on the problem.
I am not entirely convinced that a Dem Congress and President will take it on. Absent an extremely unlikely outcome in 2020, the Senate would have to nuke the legislative filibuster. There may be enough Democratic Senators that are more scared of what a Republican Congress and President would do with the filibuster gone than of NC gerrymanders. (Just as there’s been no hill valuable enough that McConnell is willing to die on it to kill the legislative filibuster.) There may be too many Dems in the House who are afraid of losing their own gerrymandered advantage.
GftNC,
I forgot to thank you for the F.E. Smith quotes. Or the “Honourable Mamba” one, for that matter. I also wish I knew who to credit for saying of some bombastic complainer of a politician that “He is a man who Reverend Spooner would have called a shining wit”.
wj,
Of course “Old Testament Christian” is an oxymoron. You get that; I get that; but I wonder about the kind of people who say “Judeo-Christian” with a straight face.
Anyway, I have to harp once again on the sad fact that Pence has no less a right to define what a “good Christian” is than Buttigieg does. Same issue arises for Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Mormonism, etc. It seems to me that humans invented religion just so they’d have something to argue about in the long winter nights, even with their co-religionists.
–TP
GftNC,
I forgot to thank you for the F.E. Smith quotes. Or the “Honourable Mamba” one, for that matter. I also wish I knew who to credit for saying of some bombastic complainer of a politician that “He is a man who Reverend Spooner would have called a shining wit”.
wj,
Of course “Old Testament Christian” is an oxymoron. You get that; I get that; but I wonder about the kind of people who say “Judeo-Christian” with a straight face.
Anyway, I have to harp once again on the sad fact that Pence has no less a right to define what a “good Christian” is than Buttigieg does. Same issue arises for Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Mormonism, etc. It seems to me that humans invented religion just so they’d have something to argue about in the long winter nights, even with their co-religionists.
–TP
Perhaps the correct name for “Old Testament Christianity” (for all that many of them would be horrified) should be “alternatively reformed Judiasm — Joshua (Jesus) named, but his actual teachings ignored”. But admittedly on the long side for a name. (See what happened to the name of “The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints” AKA Mormons)
Perhaps the correct name for “Old Testament Christianity” (for all that many of them would be horrified) should be “alternatively reformed Judiasm — Joshua (Jesus) named, but his actual teachings ignored”. But admittedly on the long side for a name. (See what happened to the name of “The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints” AKA Mormons)
No. She is too competent
SMH, but so be it.
I have to harp once again on the sad fact that Pence has no less a right to define what a “good Christian” is than Buttigieg does.
It just always strikes me that claiming the mantle of one religious tradition or another in the context of public policy is asking for trouble.
It just raises the bar so very, very high.
It’s hard enough just keeping the lights on. Establishing virtue and goodness and righteousness and whatever else the desiderata of your own spiritual path and tradition are, through the mechanisms of the sausage factory of law and policy, just seems like a reach.
A “Christian nation”, for example. Many are called, few chosen. Narrow the gate. Like squeezing a camel through the eye of a needle.
These are challenging words. You gonna fit 300+ million people through the eye of a needle?
My kingdom is not of this world, said Jesus. If you say you believe Jesus, maybe believe that.
Just keep the damned wheels on, please. Practical solutions to practical problems, thank you very much. We’ll all see to our own souls, as needed.
No. She is too competent
SMH, but so be it.
I have to harp once again on the sad fact that Pence has no less a right to define what a “good Christian” is than Buttigieg does.
It just always strikes me that claiming the mantle of one religious tradition or another in the context of public policy is asking for trouble.
It just raises the bar so very, very high.
It’s hard enough just keeping the lights on. Establishing virtue and goodness and righteousness and whatever else the desiderata of your own spiritual path and tradition are, through the mechanisms of the sausage factory of law and policy, just seems like a reach.
A “Christian nation”, for example. Many are called, few chosen. Narrow the gate. Like squeezing a camel through the eye of a needle.
These are challenging words. You gonna fit 300+ million people through the eye of a needle?
My kingdom is not of this world, said Jesus. If you say you believe Jesus, maybe believe that.
Just keep the damned wheels on, please. Practical solutions to practical problems, thank you very much. We’ll all see to our own souls, as needed.
Well russell, you can be competent at accomplishing things I disagree with. She’s competent not right.
Well russell, you can be competent at accomplishing things I disagree with. She’s competent not right.
Well russell, you can be competent at accomplishing things I disagree with.
Yes, I understood what you were saying. Nonetheless, SMH.
Right / wrong, all a matter of perspective.
I find myself asking how I would vote were I presented with the equivalent of a (D) version of Trump, versus a competent and principled (R). By “principled” I mean ethical.
What would that look like? Maybe something like Rod Blagojevich vs Justin Amash? Blagojevich, despite his best efforts, doesn’t quite rise to Trump levels of corruption, but it’s all I could come up with.
To be honest, I don’t know how I would vote. Probably either sit it out, or write somebody in.
So, no judgement from me on your position on Harris. Just SMH at the weirdness of it all.
Well russell, you can be competent at accomplishing things I disagree with.
Yes, I understood what you were saying. Nonetheless, SMH.
Right / wrong, all a matter of perspective.
I find myself asking how I would vote were I presented with the equivalent of a (D) version of Trump, versus a competent and principled (R). By “principled” I mean ethical.
What would that look like? Maybe something like Rod Blagojevich vs Justin Amash? Blagojevich, despite his best efforts, doesn’t quite rise to Trump levels of corruption, but it’s all I could come up with.
To be honest, I don’t know how I would vote. Probably either sit it out, or write somebody in.
So, no judgement from me on your position on Harris. Just SMH at the weirdness of it all.
What would that look like? Maybe something like Rod Blagojevich vs Justin Amash?
Why not go with the obvious and slot in Trump as the “(D) version of Trump”? He was, after all, nominally a Democrat for a lot of years. I, for one, would be glad to give him back. (Not that I expect he could win a Democratic primary. But then, I didn’t think he could win a Republican primary either, so….)
What would that look like? Maybe something like Rod Blagojevich vs Justin Amash?
Why not go with the obvious and slot in Trump as the “(D) version of Trump”? He was, after all, nominally a Democrat for a lot of years. I, for one, would be glad to give him back. (Not that I expect he could win a Democratic primary. But then, I didn’t think he could win a Republican primary either, so….)
Maybe something like Rod Blagojevich vs Justin Amash?
There’s a change Amash might run as the LP candidate. That might make things even more interesting.
Maybe something like Rod Blagojevich vs Justin Amash?
There’s a change Amash might run as the LP candidate. That might make things even more interesting.
Yglesias Tweeth:
Yglesias Tweeth:
Although she could turn out to be unlikable enough to be a one term President.
LOL! If “likability” is the deciding variable regarding the 2020 election, then the Dems should just nominate a ham sandwich and rest easy.
Although she could turn out to be unlikable enough to be a one term President.
LOL! If “likability” is the deciding variable regarding the 2020 election, then the Dems should just nominate a ham sandwich and rest easy.
I suppose there’s a faint chance that the ham sandwich might know that bussing is more than “a primary method of getting people to schools”, and that when he attacked western liberalism Putin didn’t mean this “I guess if you look at what’s happening in Los Angeles, where it’s so sad to look, and what’s happening in San Francisco and a couple of other cities, which are run by an extraordinary group of liberal people, I don’t know what they’re thinking.”
As for Marty’s speculation that Harris might be unlikeable enough to be a one-term President (and presumably therefore limited in how many of Marty’s disapproved-of policies she might have time to enact), unfortunately we are seeing how much damage can be done in even two and a half years. The consensus seems to be that the State Department could take 20-30 years to recover in terms of in-depth knowledge and expertise alone, and I shudder to think about the Department of Energy as recounted in that Michael Lewis piece we read months ago. And that’s only two ministries…
Tony P: excellent Spooner-related quip!
I suppose there’s a faint chance that the ham sandwich might know that bussing is more than “a primary method of getting people to schools”, and that when he attacked western liberalism Putin didn’t mean this “I guess if you look at what’s happening in Los Angeles, where it’s so sad to look, and what’s happening in San Francisco and a couple of other cities, which are run by an extraordinary group of liberal people, I don’t know what they’re thinking.”
As for Marty’s speculation that Harris might be unlikeable enough to be a one-term President (and presumably therefore limited in how many of Marty’s disapproved-of policies she might have time to enact), unfortunately we are seeing how much damage can be done in even two and a half years. The consensus seems to be that the State Department could take 20-30 years to recover in terms of in-depth knowledge and expertise alone, and I shudder to think about the Department of Energy as recounted in that Michael Lewis piece we read months ago. And that’s only two ministries…
Tony P: excellent Spooner-related quip!
More here on the theme that Democrats can only win if the do what
David BrooksMarty tells them to do.More here on the theme that Democrats can only win if the do what
David BrooksMarty tells them to do.According to people we are NOT supposed to laugh at, Democrats need to be:
o Likeable
o Civil
o Polite
o Modest
o Moderate
o Chaste
o Not-crooks
OR ELSE THE “WHITE WORKING CLASS” WILL RE-ELECT HE, TRUMP
Wondering what McTX, Slarti, Seb, and bc make of that,
–TP
According to people we are NOT supposed to laugh at, Democrats need to be:
o Likeable
o Civil
o Polite
o Modest
o Moderate
o Chaste
o Not-crooks
OR ELSE THE “WHITE WORKING CLASS” WILL RE-ELECT HE, TRUMP
Wondering what McTX, Slarti, Seb, and bc make of that,
–TP
TP made me laugh out loud. Then bobbyp’s Wonkette link made me laugh out loud. This is good, because otherwise I would be crying in my beer…tea…whatever.
From David Brooks, as quoted at bobbyp’s link: Finally, Democrats aren’t making the most compelling moral case against Donald Trump… the rest of the moral case against Trump means hitting him from the right as well as the left.
Why in the name of all the living and dead deities in this and all the other universes should Democrats be making the case “from the right”? Why isn’t that preening peabrain David Brooks sh!tting all over the Republican party — you know, the party of the right — for not only not doing it, but standing behind Clickbait no matter what? And while he’s at it, why don’t he and all the other R-ish pundits STFU about what the Democrats should be doing? [Or, what TP said at 11:39. You could add “articulate” to the list too. ;-)]
It doesn’t even make any sense. And yet Brooks, along with the most snotty, undeservedly self-regarding man on the planet, Ross Douthat, forms part of the stable of “thought leaders” for the supposed paper of record in this long- and still-lost country of ours.
Back to washing dishes, it’s so much more calming to the spirit.
TP made me laugh out loud. Then bobbyp’s Wonkette link made me laugh out loud. This is good, because otherwise I would be crying in my beer…tea…whatever.
From David Brooks, as quoted at bobbyp’s link: Finally, Democrats aren’t making the most compelling moral case against Donald Trump… the rest of the moral case against Trump means hitting him from the right as well as the left.
Why in the name of all the living and dead deities in this and all the other universes should Democrats be making the case “from the right”? Why isn’t that preening peabrain David Brooks sh!tting all over the Republican party — you know, the party of the right — for not only not doing it, but standing behind Clickbait no matter what? And while he’s at it, why don’t he and all the other R-ish pundits STFU about what the Democrats should be doing? [Or, what TP said at 11:39. You could add “articulate” to the list too. ;-)]
It doesn’t even make any sense. And yet Brooks, along with the most snotty, undeservedly self-regarding man on the planet, Ross Douthat, forms part of the stable of “thought leaders” for the supposed paper of record in this long- and still-lost country of ours.
Back to washing dishes, it’s so much more calming to the spirit.
“The highest-ranking North Korean defector in decades told me Kim Jong UN likes President Trump because he’s not “moral,” and doesn’t judge.”All previous US presidents so far have been very moral and they paid great attention on the America’s moral image,” he said of Trump.”
Finally, a President who calls bullshit on fucking America’s bogus, 250-year fake news and non-exceptional moral image and aligns us with the worst vermin in the world, abroad, and right here at home, tens of millions of them.
If only Marty and the Democratic candidates alike would stop with the morals, ethics, and high-toned sentimental happy talk and realize that brutality, killing, and treating our lesser Others with contempt, hatred, violence, discrimination, pussy-grabbing, and close-quarters anti-aircraft fire are the paths to low righteousness and low-handicap home course golf trophies.
Kim Jong, Brooks, Douthat, Dreher, Buchanan all agree: Hate the thug, love his winning.
Fuck all Republicans and conservatives.
Butcher and kill the America they have made their malign toilet.
“The highest-ranking North Korean defector in decades told me Kim Jong UN likes President Trump because he’s not “moral,” and doesn’t judge.”All previous US presidents so far have been very moral and they paid great attention on the America’s moral image,” he said of Trump.”
Finally, a President who calls bullshit on fucking America’s bogus, 250-year fake news and non-exceptional moral image and aligns us with the worst vermin in the world, abroad, and right here at home, tens of millions of them.
If only Marty and the Democratic candidates alike would stop with the morals, ethics, and high-toned sentimental happy talk and realize that brutality, killing, and treating our lesser Others with contempt, hatred, violence, discrimination, pussy-grabbing, and close-quarters anti-aircraft fire are the paths to low righteousness and low-handicap home course golf trophies.
Kim Jong, Brooks, Douthat, Dreher, Buchanan all agree: Hate the thug, love his winning.
Fuck all Republicans and conservatives.
Butcher and kill the America they have made their malign toilet.
Democrats need to be:
o Likeable
o Civil
o Polite
o Modest
o Moderate
o Chaste
o Not-crooks
Well that would certainly be NICE in politicians of any party. But personally I’d settle for
Followed by moderate, but if I can get the first two I’ll take as the big step forward it is — at least on the national level.
Looking at the Democratic candidates, most of them meet those two requirements. Other than maybe Bernie, they also meet the third. Of course, the GOP has set as the bar pretty low — I can’t say I’m a fan of several of them. But . . . baby steps: still worth taking.
Democrats need to be:
o Likeable
o Civil
o Polite
o Modest
o Moderate
o Chaste
o Not-crooks
Well that would certainly be NICE in politicians of any party. But personally I’d settle for
Followed by moderate, but if I can get the first two I’ll take as the big step forward it is — at least on the national level.
Looking at the Democratic candidates, most of them meet those two requirements. Other than maybe Bernie, they also meet the third. Of course, the GOP has set as the bar pretty low — I can’t say I’m a fan of several of them. But . . . baby steps: still worth taking.
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap190630.html
A little something to watch, the next time you’re reading Marooned off Vesta
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap190630.html
A little something to watch, the next time you’re reading Marooned off Vesta
Kim Jung has agreed to p’s demand that in order to forestall the nuclear annihilation of the Korean peninsula by the United States under p, Kim will launch nuclear warheads on U.S. targets IF a Democrat wins the Presidency in 2020.
As part of the agreement, Kim, with Putin’s affirmative nod, will delay the attacks on the U.S. while p refuses to vacate the Presidency in the bloody aftermath of the 2020 election and holds up with his vermin in Mar-a-Lago for months contesting his loss judicially and with domestic violence from his base from coast to coast.
Once the new Democratic President, after exhausting all fruitless negotiation with p’s fascist coup camp, finally orders a WACO-style assault on Mar-a-Lago, seriously juked up to include tactical nuclear weapons, killing every republican and conservative in and around the building, Kim has his order to launch his weapons on California and liberal points East and will, for once in his life, keep his loyal promise to a now dead republican p.
Win.
and Win.
Kim Jung has agreed to p’s demand that in order to forestall the nuclear annihilation of the Korean peninsula by the United States under p, Kim will launch nuclear warheads on U.S. targets IF a Democrat wins the Presidency in 2020.
As part of the agreement, Kim, with Putin’s affirmative nod, will delay the attacks on the U.S. while p refuses to vacate the Presidency in the bloody aftermath of the 2020 election and holds up with his vermin in Mar-a-Lago for months contesting his loss judicially and with domestic violence from his base from coast to coast.
Once the new Democratic President, after exhausting all fruitless negotiation with p’s fascist coup camp, finally orders a WACO-style assault on Mar-a-Lago, seriously juked up to include tactical nuclear weapons, killing every republican and conservative in and around the building, Kim has his order to launch his weapons on California and liberal points East and will, for once in his life, keep his loyal promise to a now dead republican p.
Win.
and Win.
What Marty thinks Democrats should do is whatever the hell they want. I dont care if they have any of the qualities on the list, I take my likable comment back. It was an observation not a desire.
What Marty thinks Democrats should do is whatever the hell they want. I dont care if they have any of the qualities on the list, I take my likable comment back. It was an observation not a desire.
• Competent
• More dedicated to country than party (or self)
Followed by moderate, but if I can get the first two I’ll take as the big step forward it is — at least on the national level.
I think you’re expecting too much from politicians. Especially at the national level where public choice theory kicks in hard. Skeptic or cynic, I suspicious even of the handful of nation-level politicians I have some regard for. Usually, the best you can hope for is that their self-interest somewhat meshes with that of their constituents. Never mind the rest of the country.
• Competent
• More dedicated to country than party (or self)
Followed by moderate, but if I can get the first two I’ll take as the big step forward it is — at least on the national level.
I think you’re expecting too much from politicians. Especially at the national level where public choice theory kicks in hard. Skeptic or cynic, I suspicious even of the handful of nation-level politicians I have some regard for. Usually, the best you can hope for is that their self-interest somewhat meshes with that of their constituents. Never mind the rest of the country.
Usually, the best you can hope for is that their self-interest somewhat meshes with that of their constituents.
humanity – you’re soaking in it.
Usually, the best you can hope for is that their self-interest somewhat meshes with that of their constituents.
humanity – you’re soaking in it.
the best you can hope for is that their self-interest somewhat meshes with that of their constituents. Never mind the rest of the country.
Certainly if you keep your expectations low enough you can guarantee you will never get anything better.
Which I suppose, for a dedicated libertarian, is part of the point. After all, it’s easier to consider all government bad you manage to have scumbags in charge.
the best you can hope for is that their self-interest somewhat meshes with that of their constituents. Never mind the rest of the country.
Certainly if you keep your expectations low enough you can guarantee you will never get anything better.
Which I suppose, for a dedicated libertarian, is part of the point. After all, it’s easier to consider all government bad you manage to have scumbags in charge.
Scumbags may be preferable to those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good.
Scumbags may be preferable to those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good.
those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good
that’s a category that includes anyone who has to make a decision which affects anyone else, including libertarians.
those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good
that’s a category that includes anyone who has to make a decision which affects anyone else, including libertarians.
“Scumbags may be preferable to those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good.”
Sonny Barger of the Hell’s Angels couldn’t have summed up the Libertarian philosophy of screwing any better.
“Scumbags may be preferable to those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good.”
Sonny Barger of the Hell’s Angels couldn’t have summed up the Libertarian philosophy of screwing any better.
What Marty think Democrats should do is, with all respect, irrelevant.
What Marty think Democrats should do is, with all respect, irrelevant.
to be honest, if I read Marty right, he agrees, and is fine with it.
to be honest, if I read Marty right, he agrees, and is fine with it.
I suspicious even of the handful of nation-level politicians I have some regard for.
Oddly enough, this is more or less my point of view as well.
I don’t expect unusual virtue from politicians, just a basic level of ethical responsibility. I expect them to remember they work for the public, not themselves. I don’t expect them to be saints.
That said, I’ll take somebody who oversteps out of a desire to do something constructive over somebody who is plainly and simply out for themselves any day of the week.
Plus, sometimes when the dreaded state “screws with my life”, it’s to my advantage, and not a bad thing.
Amazingly enough, sometimes people who have actually studied an issue know more about it than I do.
Different strokes.
I suspicious even of the handful of nation-level politicians I have some regard for.
Oddly enough, this is more or less my point of view as well.
I don’t expect unusual virtue from politicians, just a basic level of ethical responsibility. I expect them to remember they work for the public, not themselves. I don’t expect them to be saints.
That said, I’ll take somebody who oversteps out of a desire to do something constructive over somebody who is plainly and simply out for themselves any day of the week.
Plus, sometimes when the dreaded state “screws with my life”, it’s to my advantage, and not a bad thing.
Amazingly enough, sometimes people who have actually studied an issue know more about it than I do.
Different strokes.
You’re right, russell. Apologies to Marty.
The point stands, though – Marty does not represent the swing vote.
You’re right, russell. Apologies to Marty.
The point stands, though – Marty does not represent the swing vote.
Scumbags may be preferable to those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good.
I suppose that could be true if you like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The sanctimony of some of the people whose policy preferences I generally agree with drives me crazy. I have, when it comes right down to it, lost friendships when the steady stream of sanctimony has become too indigestible.
But in terms of how we govern ourselves, the scumbags are screwing with my life for their good and not mine, by definition. Policies I like accompanied by a sauce of sanctimony — that I can live with.
Of course, sanctimony isn’t a monopoly of one side. A certain Pence comes to mind, but the list is endless.
We exist in a multifarious universe. That makes us subject to other people (and other beings and circumstances) screwing with our lives. Since screwing with each other’s lives is a fundamental condition of existence, and since sanctimony comes in all flavors, I prefer to ignore it as a factor in deciding who gets my vote. At least the sanctimonious, unlike the scumbags, are familiar with the concept of the general welfare, even if they get it wrong sometimes.
Scumbags may be preferable to those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good.
I suppose that could be true if you like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The sanctimony of some of the people whose policy preferences I generally agree with drives me crazy. I have, when it comes right down to it, lost friendships when the steady stream of sanctimony has become too indigestible.
But in terms of how we govern ourselves, the scumbags are screwing with my life for their good and not mine, by definition. Policies I like accompanied by a sauce of sanctimony — that I can live with.
Of course, sanctimony isn’t a monopoly of one side. A certain Pence comes to mind, but the list is endless.
We exist in a multifarious universe. That makes us subject to other people (and other beings and circumstances) screwing with our lives. Since screwing with each other’s lives is a fundamental condition of existence, and since sanctimony comes in all flavors, I prefer to ignore it as a factor in deciding who gets my vote. At least the sanctimonious, unlike the scumbags, are familiar with the concept of the general welfare, even if they get it wrong sometimes.
those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good.
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight. The latter include (if one is a libertarian) anyone who wants the government to do pretty much anything. And, if one isn’t, the libertarians who don’t want the government to do things that the rest of us think it should do.
Self-righteousness isn’t a monopoly of either philosophy. Acting (or refusing to act) for others’ good, without reference to their [insert favorite pejorative] views, isn’t a monopoly either.
those who self-righteously proclaim that they’re screwing with your life for your own good.
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight. The latter include (if one is a libertarian) anyone who wants the government to do pretty much anything. And, if one isn’t, the libertarians who don’t want the government to do things that the rest of us think it should do.
Self-righteousness isn’t a monopoly of either philosophy. Acting (or refusing to act) for others’ good, without reference to their [insert favorite pejorative] views, isn’t a monopoly either.
Nigel: Marty does not represent the swing vote.
McTX, Seb, Slarti, and bc might be swingers, but they haven’t said so, yet.
What happened to those guys, anyhow? Did they all go out and get a life suddenly?
–TP
Nigel: Marty does not represent the swing vote.
McTX, Seb, Slarti, and bc might be swingers, but they haven’t said so, yet.
What happened to those guys, anyhow? Did they all go out and get a life suddenly?
–TP
Did they all go out and get a life suddenly?
Heat? Kitchen?
Did they all go out and get a life suddenly?
Heat? Kitchen?
In the context of the Democratic nomination battle, this made interesstijg reading:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/work-peak-professional-decline/590650/
The phrase elder statesman came about for a reason.
(Though I don’t utterly reject the idea that Biden might still be the answer to beating Trump.)
In the context of the Democratic nomination battle, this made interesstijg reading:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/work-peak-professional-decline/590650/
The phrase elder statesman came about for a reason.
(Though I don’t utterly reject the idea that Biden might still be the answer to beating Trump.)
I have a theory I have been fiddling with. I think a lot of men** get accustomed to having their days structured. For all they may have complained about the daily grind, work gave them that structure. And when they retire . . . they find it hard to cope.
Obviously some find (expand) hobbies or otherwise develop ways to deal. And things to, bluntly, give them something to do with all that time. But others? Depression, inertia, and a downhill spiral.
Women avoid that, I suggest, because essentially they don’t retire. Meals still have to be cooked, the house cleaned, etc. As a result, they have fewer problems as they pass the (nominal) retirement age. And therefore end up, on average, living longer.
In short, it’s not genetics, or gender per se. It’s the social conventions we still have about who does what around the house.
** Clearly this means those with steady jobs, not those who do consulting and such. Especially if they stay with a single employer for extended periods of time.
I have a theory I have been fiddling with. I think a lot of men** get accustomed to having their days structured. For all they may have complained about the daily grind, work gave them that structure. And when they retire . . . they find it hard to cope.
Obviously some find (expand) hobbies or otherwise develop ways to deal. And things to, bluntly, give them something to do with all that time. But others? Depression, inertia, and a downhill spiral.
Women avoid that, I suggest, because essentially they don’t retire. Meals still have to be cooked, the house cleaned, etc. As a result, they have fewer problems as they pass the (nominal) retirement age. And therefore end up, on average, living longer.
In short, it’s not genetics, or gender per se. It’s the social conventions we still have about who does what around the house.
** Clearly this means those with steady jobs, not those who do consulting and such. Especially if they stay with a single employer for extended periods of time.
The history and politics of busing is clearly complex and contentious, but I found this article offered an interesting perspective on Harris’ experience (with relatives in the Bay Area, I’m not unaware of how contentious the issue still was there, in the early seventies):
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/kamala-harris-and-busing-debate/593047/
Berkeley’s elementary school desegregation plan started in September 1968, with over one-third of the district’s 9,000 students riding buses. Unlike many cities that placed the burden of busing on black students, Berkeley implemented a two-way busing plan that involved black, white, Asian American, and Mexican American students. The plan quickly changed the racial demographics of the city’s schools. Thousand Oaks Elementary was 95 percent white and 3 percent black in 1963. When Harris started kindergarten in 1969, the Thousand Oaks was 53 percent white and 40 percent black, and in no elementary school in Berkeley did any racial group comprise more than 60 percent of the students….
The history and politics of busing is clearly complex and contentious, but I found this article offered an interesting perspective on Harris’ experience (with relatives in the Bay Area, I’m not unaware of how contentious the issue still was there, in the early seventies):
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/kamala-harris-and-busing-debate/593047/
Berkeley’s elementary school desegregation plan started in September 1968, with over one-third of the district’s 9,000 students riding buses. Unlike many cities that placed the burden of busing on black students, Berkeley implemented a two-way busing plan that involved black, white, Asian American, and Mexican American students. The plan quickly changed the racial demographics of the city’s schools. Thousand Oaks Elementary was 95 percent white and 3 percent black in 1963. When Harris started kindergarten in 1969, the Thousand Oaks was 53 percent white and 40 percent black, and in no elementary school in Berkeley did any racial group comprise more than 60 percent of the students….
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-took-tucker-carlson-not-bolton-north-korea-2
Bolton was sent to Mongolia.
Tucker Carlson said “On the other hand, you’ve got to be honest about what it means to lead a country. It means killing people.”
Democrats should be honest about what it’s going take to run America in order to solve the national security problem of the conservative movement and to neutralize America’s internal rightwing enemies who have been living off it’s store of now exhausted of good will fat since the Founding.
Glad to see a preppy American white supremacist is so clear-eyed about his fucking future.
It’s best not to be too politically correct about what it takes.
They mean to kill US when the time is ripe.
TUCKERrrrrrrrrr:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo8CrY_ZfFk
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-took-tucker-carlson-not-bolton-north-korea-2
Bolton was sent to Mongolia.
Tucker Carlson said “On the other hand, you’ve got to be honest about what it means to lead a country. It means killing people.”
Democrats should be honest about what it’s going take to run America in order to solve the national security problem of the conservative movement and to neutralize America’s internal rightwing enemies who have been living off it’s store of now exhausted of good will fat since the Founding.
Glad to see a preppy American white supremacist is so clear-eyed about his fucking future.
It’s best not to be too politically correct about what it takes.
They mean to kill US when the time is ripe.
TUCKERrrrrrrrrr:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo8CrY_ZfFk
My models for my posts here were once the ravings of the front-pagers and comment sections of Redstate and all points right.
Now I find TAC a rich potting soil for my bullshit, which frankly, I’m coming around to believing my own self.
That 7:40am of mine above is a bolus of victimized rationalization cobbled together after reading this Dreher piece and the comment section …… and trying it on for size…… again …
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/antifa-beats-up-andy-ngo-portland/
…..and which, first of all, from all indications from a few hardy souls in the comment section, is substantially misleading regarding the “news” therein imparted and second, managed to smear/threaten the entire political spectrum to the left of Ted Cruz with the sorry-assed criminal and pathetic actions of the Antifa bowel movement, which is so cowardly (masked? Bah!) as to attack innocents instead of the real fucking enemy power centers of this country head-on with utter ruthlessness, and which given a mere week to run the punked-up Antifa, I will transform into a much more effective and dangerously savage revolutionary force from the Left to counter the paramilitary republican party and conservative movement face to face in it homes and workplaces, and governments.
Everything is satire until it’s not, and p/McConnell have given the signal that the laugh track has run out.
Meanwhile, Dems, spread out a little and take the Senate.
The White House is not a dormitory for dozens of Presidential aspirants.
My models for my posts here were once the ravings of the front-pagers and comment sections of Redstate and all points right.
Now I find TAC a rich potting soil for my bullshit, which frankly, I’m coming around to believing my own self.
That 7:40am of mine above is a bolus of victimized rationalization cobbled together after reading this Dreher piece and the comment section …… and trying it on for size…… again …
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/antifa-beats-up-andy-ngo-portland/
…..and which, first of all, from all indications from a few hardy souls in the comment section, is substantially misleading regarding the “news” therein imparted and second, managed to smear/threaten the entire political spectrum to the left of Ted Cruz with the sorry-assed criminal and pathetic actions of the Antifa bowel movement, which is so cowardly (masked? Bah!) as to attack innocents instead of the real fucking enemy power centers of this country head-on with utter ruthlessness, and which given a mere week to run the punked-up Antifa, I will transform into a much more effective and dangerously savage revolutionary force from the Left to counter the paramilitary republican party and conservative movement face to face in it homes and workplaces, and governments.
Everything is satire until it’s not, and p/McConnell have given the signal that the laugh track has run out.
Meanwhile, Dems, spread out a little and take the Senate.
The White House is not a dormitory for dozens of Presidential aspirants.
who needs immigrants when we have … prisoners ?!
who needs immigrants when we have … prisoners ?!
Say you are a good 15 seconds into a Boeing 737 MAX power dive, oxygen masks dangling, seat back tray table secured, seat belts fastened, head between your knees, maybe an alcoholic beverage too sloshing over its rim as you try to catch the spillage with your mouth .. waste not, want not … the pilot standing on foot pedals controlling the fucker, and the co-pilot and plus two flight attendants mustered to the cabin to assist muscling the crank on the contraption that is somehow connected to the rudder and you’re maybe a couple of minutes from the plane and its “consumers” being turned into a pink-tinged confetti on impact ….
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeings-737-max-software-outsourced-204657048.html
… are you thinking, welp, at least, my Boeing stock won’t be too awfully savaged in the ensuing selloff, I mean how much can 256 lives be worth and discounted in the all-seeing, all-knowing fucking financial markets, and besides more profit flowed to the hallowed bottom line thanks to the those $9 dollar coders?
Are you thinking, I wonder if it’s too late to call Elizabeth Warren to knock some conservative Mulvanay no-regulator heads together?
See, we imprison and in some cases execute all of the wrong murderers in this dumb Friedman/Kudlow world created for us without our permission.
If only pro bono attorneys for the underprivileged stuck in the system for their transgressions would merely plead that their clients were making a “simple business decision” after weighing the input and outputs” as they were fucking up and setting their sites on shareholder rights rather than troubling themselves with the petty risks of mass death.
Meanwhile, by my clock, the markets open in about 40 minutes, and Boeing stock will be up on the opening regardless of ANYTHING except p’s latest tweet, and I the socialist capitalist must pay attention to my hard-earned dollars, so you are on your own for now, and it’s OK to be relieved about that.
But we will fuck the fuckers in this country.
Say you are a good 15 seconds into a Boeing 737 MAX power dive, oxygen masks dangling, seat back tray table secured, seat belts fastened, head between your knees, maybe an alcoholic beverage too sloshing over its rim as you try to catch the spillage with your mouth .. waste not, want not … the pilot standing on foot pedals controlling the fucker, and the co-pilot and plus two flight attendants mustered to the cabin to assist muscling the crank on the contraption that is somehow connected to the rudder and you’re maybe a couple of minutes from the plane and its “consumers” being turned into a pink-tinged confetti on impact ….
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeings-737-max-software-outsourced-204657048.html
… are you thinking, welp, at least, my Boeing stock won’t be too awfully savaged in the ensuing selloff, I mean how much can 256 lives be worth and discounted in the all-seeing, all-knowing fucking financial markets, and besides more profit flowed to the hallowed bottom line thanks to the those $9 dollar coders?
Are you thinking, I wonder if it’s too late to call Elizabeth Warren to knock some conservative Mulvanay no-regulator heads together?
See, we imprison and in some cases execute all of the wrong murderers in this dumb Friedman/Kudlow world created for us without our permission.
If only pro bono attorneys for the underprivileged stuck in the system for their transgressions would merely plead that their clients were making a “simple business decision” after weighing the input and outputs” as they were fucking up and setting their sites on shareholder rights rather than troubling themselves with the petty risks of mass death.
Meanwhile, by my clock, the markets open in about 40 minutes, and Boeing stock will be up on the opening regardless of ANYTHING except p’s latest tweet, and I the socialist capitalist must pay attention to my hard-earned dollars, so you are on your own for now, and it’s OK to be relieved about that.
But we will fuck the fuckers in this country.
Gosh, I hope Manafort doesn’t get a hand mangled in the thresher on the corporate family farm. Those things can eat a guy up iffn he ain’t careful.
Weren’t we told once the darky immigrants were driven from gainful employment harvesting our drops, that honest outta work real darky Americans could get off the dole and earn a steady wage by the sweat of their brow.
But no, forced labor, in this case prisoners, was always the fucking idea, though if a prisoner volunteers his labor, say some cool hand luke, more power to him, but no, it’s gotta shackled forced labor.
You’d think with the poor family farm relieved of estate taxes and other gummint encumbrances that they’d be able to spare a working man and woman a dime now and then.
Right, assholes? Hanh, liars?
Kill the fuckers in this country.
Gosh, I hope Manafort doesn’t get a hand mangled in the thresher on the corporate family farm. Those things can eat a guy up iffn he ain’t careful.
Weren’t we told once the darky immigrants were driven from gainful employment harvesting our drops, that honest outta work real darky Americans could get off the dole and earn a steady wage by the sweat of their brow.
But no, forced labor, in this case prisoners, was always the fucking idea, though if a prisoner volunteers his labor, say some cool hand luke, more power to him, but no, it’s gotta shackled forced labor.
You’d think with the poor family farm relieved of estate taxes and other gummint encumbrances that they’d be able to spare a working man and woman a dime now and then.
Right, assholes? Hanh, liars?
Kill the fuckers in this country.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/canadian-artist-dumped-after-his-pulitzer-prize-worthy-cartoon-of-trump-golfing-next-to-dead-migrants-goes-viral-2019-06-30
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/canadian-artist-dumped-after-his-pulitzer-prize-worthy-cartoon-of-trump-golfing-next-to-dead-migrants-goes-viral-2019-06-30
Prisoners as, in effect, slave labor for capitalists.
We have come full circle.
Prisoners as, in effect, slave labor for capitalists.
We have come full circle.
Indentured servants, Janie. Baby steps.
Indentured servants, Janie. Baby steps.
who needs immigrants when we have … prisoners ?!
Yup, the return of the chain gang.
who needs immigrants when we have … prisoners ?!
Yup, the return of the chain gang.
“convict leasing”
“convict leasing”
Child Labor = FREEDOM!
(This message brought to you by the Gary Johnson for President Campaign)
Child Labor = FREEDOM!
(This message brought to you by the Gary Johnson for President Campaign)
This has been their plan all along.
This has been their plan all along.
Well that would certainly be NICE in politicians of any party. But personally I’d settle for
Followed by moderate, but if I can get the first two I’ll take as the big step forward it is
Just to take (sort of) the other side of my own argument — because why not?
This from a conservative commenter:
So, much as I might prefer moderation, there something to be said for the thesis that it won’t be critical this next time. Sigh.
Well that would certainly be NICE in politicians of any party. But personally I’d settle for
Followed by moderate, but if I can get the first two I’ll take as the big step forward it is
Just to take (sort of) the other side of my own argument — because why not?
This from a conservative commenter:
So, much as I might prefer moderation, there something to be said for the thesis that it won’t be critical this next time. Sigh.
What happened to those guys, anyhow? Did they all go out and get a life suddenly?
Where McK was concerned, it coincided with the Kavanaugh hearings. I guess he decided that discretion was the better part of valour, given the new make-up of the Court.
Speaking of which, the first two verses of a poem from JDT’s favourite period and location – (I particularly like Valerie fondles lovers/ like a mousetrap fondles mice:
What happened to those guys, anyhow? Did they all go out and get a life suddenly?
Where McK was concerned, it coincided with the Kavanaugh hearings. I guess he decided that discretion was the better part of valour, given the new make-up of the Court.
Speaking of which, the first two verses of a poem from JDT’s favourite period and location – (I particularly like Valerie fondles lovers/ like a mousetrap fondles mice:
about 90 percent of the Republican Party (a shrunken party, I would estimate)
I’ve seen this “estimate” a bunch of times, so not long ago I tried to find some hard numbers. I didn’t have a lot of luck, but this suggests that the news of the R party’s shrunken state is largely wishful thinking.
I know, it’s Gallup. But still. And there’s a long way to go until Nov 2020. By then Clickbait will probably have installed his Barbie-spawn into the Constitution as his successor. In his own mind, anyhow…..
about 90 percent of the Republican Party (a shrunken party, I would estimate)
I’ve seen this “estimate” a bunch of times, so not long ago I tried to find some hard numbers. I didn’t have a lot of luck, but this suggests that the news of the R party’s shrunken state is largely wishful thinking.
I know, it’s Gallup. But still. And there’s a long way to go until Nov 2020. By then Clickbait will probably have installed his Barbie-spawn into the Constitution as his successor. In his own mind, anyhow…..
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/arthurlaffer-economist-medaloffreedom/2019/06/30/id/922693/
and, compliments of cleek:
http://ok-cleek.com/blogs/?p=29144
They will take it all. Every American institution fucked.
Violence. Savage and unending.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/arthurlaffer-economist-medaloffreedom/2019/06/30/id/922693/
and, compliments of cleek:
http://ok-cleek.com/blogs/?p=29144
They will take it all. Every American institution fucked.
Violence. Savage and unending.
Great piece GFTNC! Thanks. I went out and bought a book of those poets after our last go-round about them.
Some Liverpudlian sky writing by word of mouth back at you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA9TTVwghNQ
By the way, saw “Yesterday” yesterday, the Beatle-premised movie. Quite good, but one scene absolutely slayed me ….. I can’t give it away.
Great piece GFTNC! Thanks. I went out and bought a book of those poets after our last go-round about them.
Some Liverpudlian sky writing by word of mouth back at you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA9TTVwghNQ
By the way, saw “Yesterday” yesterday, the Beatle-premised movie. Quite good, but one scene absolutely slayed me ….. I can’t give it away.
God JDT, it’s years (decades even) since I saw that! Talk about a rave from the grave…
Yes, I’ve been considering going to Yesterday, and probably will do. Will check back with you (in code) if so, to see if the same scene has that effect on me.
God JDT, it’s years (decades even) since I saw that! Talk about a rave from the grave…
Yes, I’ve been considering going to Yesterday, and probably will do. Will check back with you (in code) if so, to see if the same scene has that effect on me.
Last night I watched the PBS documentary on the Tienanmen uprising and its ultimate suppression by the Chinese “People’s Army” 30 years ago. This morning, I see a repeat shaping up in Hong Kong.
In 1989, Poppy Bush (that Nice Polite Republican) sided with Deng Xiaoping, the butcher of Tienanmen. Last week He, Trump (not nice, not polite, but definitely Republican) all but hugged and kissed Mohamed bin Salman, the butcher of Adnan Kashoggi and thousands of Yemenis. Business, don’t you know.
“Republican” has not meant “pro republic” since at least the Nixon administration. If He, Trump is measurably worse than Poppy Bush, it’s because He overtly thinks of Himself as a ruler rather than a leader. “Overtly” is the operative distinction there.
Decent Republicans (hi, wj) hope that Democrats can save the US from the current dictator-loving so-called-president, and offer well-meaning advice on how to do it. That’s nice. In return, I offer some well-meaning advice to decent Republicans:
Get 3 or 4 of your Republican friends together and ask them to commit to voting voting for He, Trump’s Democratic opponent in 2020. See how far you get.
–TP
Last night I watched the PBS documentary on the Tienanmen uprising and its ultimate suppression by the Chinese “People’s Army” 30 years ago. This morning, I see a repeat shaping up in Hong Kong.
In 1989, Poppy Bush (that Nice Polite Republican) sided with Deng Xiaoping, the butcher of Tienanmen. Last week He, Trump (not nice, not polite, but definitely Republican) all but hugged and kissed Mohamed bin Salman, the butcher of Adnan Kashoggi and thousands of Yemenis. Business, don’t you know.
“Republican” has not meant “pro republic” since at least the Nixon administration. If He, Trump is measurably worse than Poppy Bush, it’s because He overtly thinks of Himself as a ruler rather than a leader. “Overtly” is the operative distinction there.
Decent Republicans (hi, wj) hope that Democrats can save the US from the current dictator-loving so-called-president, and offer well-meaning advice on how to do it. That’s nice. In return, I offer some well-meaning advice to decent Republicans:
Get 3 or 4 of your Republican friends together and ask them to commit to voting voting for He, Trump’s Democratic opponent in 2020. See how far you get.
–TP
Get 3 or 4 of your Republican friends together
Ya know, I tried to figure out what political party my friends belong to. Out of the whole group, I think I know the party of . . . 2. (Plus my wife, who I believe is unaligned.) On the other hand, the number who have anything but contempt for Trump: zero. Probability that any of them would vote for him: zip.
Of course, that may be mostly about the kind of people I voluntarily spend time with….
Get 3 or 4 of your Republican friends together
Ya know, I tried to figure out what political party my friends belong to. Out of the whole group, I think I know the party of . . . 2. (Plus my wife, who I believe is unaligned.) On the other hand, the number who have anything but contempt for Trump: zero. Probability that any of them would vote for him: zip.
Of course, that may be mostly about the kind of people I voluntarily spend time with….
Fuck convincing republicans of anything . We’re fucking done.
If this happens:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/1/1868667/-Trump-demands-tanks-on-the-Mall-as-part-of-his-quest-to-make-the-Fourth-of-July-all-about-himself
…… run conservatives off your property and business at gunpoint.
Tanks on the fucking Washington Mall.
Nuke.
Fuck convincing republicans of anything . We’re fucking done.
If this happens:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/1/1868667/-Trump-demands-tanks-on-the-Mall-as-part-of-his-quest-to-make-the-Fourth-of-July-all-about-himself
…… run conservatives off your property and business at gunpoint.
Tanks on the fucking Washington Mall.
Nuke.
What happened to those guys, anyhow? Did they all go out and get a life suddenly?
Sort of. My new gig since June 1: http://www.mckinneytaylor.com
Still lurk here a bit.
What happened to those guys, anyhow? Did they all go out and get a life suddenly?
Sort of. My new gig since June 1: http://www.mckinneytaylor.com
Still lurk here a bit.
Return to barracks, boys, or there will be blood.
If the Generals cave to p on this, then every Democratic candidate for President and Speaker Pelosi should call for their court martial and the candidates should promise to do just that after this anti-American vermin gummint is overthrown.
Return to barracks, boys, or there will be blood.
If the Generals cave to p on this, then every Democratic candidate for President and Speaker Pelosi should call for their court martial and the candidates should promise to do just that after this anti-American vermin gummint is overthrown.
I would like to see a flyover of Russian Sukhoi fighter jets in formation over the Mall on July 4th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2p3NLcyL-Y
They can provide air cover for the cocksucker in chief when the Mall goes up in flames.
I would like to see a flyover of Russian Sukhoi fighter jets in formation over the Mall on July 4th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2p3NLcyL-Y
They can provide air cover for the cocksucker in chief when the Mall goes up in flames.
McKinney, best of luck with the new endeavour. (Though it looks like you’re well set up for success.)
McKinney, best of luck with the new endeavour. (Though it looks like you’re well set up for success.)
Still lurk here a bit.
Your site left out the 5th “R” – Republican. 🙂
Still lurk here a bit.
Your site left out the 5th “R” – Republican. 🙂
Well, well, McKinney. What a fascinating website that is, particularly the “Changing and Challenging Times” section. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to see some of the effects of these changing and challenging times in practice, so to speak.
Well, well, McKinney. What a fascinating website that is, particularly the “Changing and Challenging Times” section. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to see some of the effects of these changing and challenging times in practice, so to speak.
wj: I tried to figure out what political party my friends belong to. Out of the whole group, I think I know the party of . . . 2. (Plus my wife, who I believe is unaligned.)
I could be wrong, but:
Americans have got too accustomed to the luxury of treating “politics” as something divorced from “real life”.
Maybe that’s healthy. Maybe taking the attitude toward politicians that we take toward sports teams is the way to preserve The Republic. We can root for our favorite team and be best friends with people who root for the other team; we can brag about our favorite team’s victory and make excuses for its defeat; we can analyze our team’s statistics in depth and discuss them with our colleagues, neighbors, and friends without embarrassment; and think of all that as “real life” even though it makes no difference to the price of cheese.
Maybe things have to get much worse before “politics” and “real life” merge, here in America.
–TP
wj: I tried to figure out what political party my friends belong to. Out of the whole group, I think I know the party of . . . 2. (Plus my wife, who I believe is unaligned.)
I could be wrong, but:
Americans have got too accustomed to the luxury of treating “politics” as something divorced from “real life”.
Maybe that’s healthy. Maybe taking the attitude toward politicians that we take toward sports teams is the way to preserve The Republic. We can root for our favorite team and be best friends with people who root for the other team; we can brag about our favorite team’s victory and make excuses for its defeat; we can analyze our team’s statistics in depth and discuss them with our colleagues, neighbors, and friends without embarrassment; and think of all that as “real life” even though it makes no difference to the price of cheese.
Maybe things have to get much worse before “politics” and “real life” merge, here in America.
–TP
Best of luck with the new endeavor, McK!
Best of luck with the new endeavor, McK!
I could be wrong, but:
Americans have got too accustomed to the luxury of treating “politics” as something divorced from “real life”.
I tend to agree. It’s often treated like a spectator sport. With about the same (perceived) impact on life as whether the local sports team wins.
I could be wrong, but:
Americans have got too accustomed to the luxury of treating “politics” as something divorced from “real life”.
I tend to agree. It’s often treated like a spectator sport. With about the same (perceived) impact on life as whether the local sports team wins.
Here’s some real life:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/texas-law-redistricting-communications-secret
Real life will come to the entire Texas Republican government in the form it has throughout history to illegitimate governments, written in their blood.
Here’s some real life:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/texas-law-redistricting-communications-secret
Real life will come to the entire Texas Republican government in the form it has throughout history to illegitimate governments, written in their blood.
The trials will be perfunctory, but the executions, because of the vast number of the conservative vermin in this country that require death, will take years.
https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-border-patrol-facebook-group-agents-joke-about-migrant-deaths-post-sexist-memes?utm_content=buffer58eae&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer
The trials will be perfunctory, but the executions, because of the vast number of the conservative vermin in this country that require death, will take years.
https://www.propublica.org/article/secret-border-patrol-facebook-group-agents-joke-about-migrant-deaths-post-sexist-memes?utm_content=buffer58eae&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer
May we retire the OBWI kitty with Tucker Carlson’s widow’s husband’s epitaph:
“You gotta be honest about what it means to lead a country, it means killing people.”
May we retire the OBWI kitty with Tucker Carlson’s widow’s husband’s epitaph:
“You gotta be honest about what it means to lead a country, it means killing people.”
so … Border Patrol has ~21,000 agents.
and there were 9,500 members of that private FB group.
pull it out by the root.
so … Border Patrol has ~21,000 agents.
and there were 9,500 members of that private FB group.
pull it out by the root.
So, come the next administration, subpoena a list of the members of that group. Make it easy to winnow out the bad apples.
So, come the next administration, subpoena a list of the members of that group. Make it easy to winnow out the bad apples.
McKinney – good luck!
I like the trademark!
McKinney – good luck!
I like the trademark!
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/texas-law-redistricting-communications-secret
Sigh. These are common examples of market worshiping “freedom loving” wingnut fellow travelers who despise democracy.
Aren’t they screwing with the lives of their fellow Texans way more than any federal bureaucrat telling you how many gallons of water your toiled can use per flush?
Rhetorical question…..
I’d even bet most of them commonly haul out that old “The Left believes the ends justify the means” chestnut at the drop of Larry Craig’s pants.
Their self-righteousness would make Stalin blush.
They are the worst of both worlds-ideologically self-righteous scumbags.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/texas-law-redistricting-communications-secret
Sigh. These are common examples of market worshiping “freedom loving” wingnut fellow travelers who despise democracy.
Aren’t they screwing with the lives of their fellow Texans way more than any federal bureaucrat telling you how many gallons of water your toiled can use per flush?
Rhetorical question…..
I’d even bet most of them commonly haul out that old “The Left believes the ends justify the means” chestnut at the drop of Larry Craig’s pants.
Their self-righteousness would make Stalin blush.
They are the worst of both worlds-ideologically self-righteous scumbags.
Aren’t they screwing with the lives of their fellow Texans way more than any federal bureaucrat telling you how many gallons of water your toiled can use per flush?
In a word, No.
Because “their fellow Texans” doesn’t include “those people” — and those people are the ones they are screwing over.
Aren’t they screwing with the lives of their fellow Texans way more than any federal bureaucrat telling you how many gallons of water your toiled can use per flush?
In a word, No.
Because “their fellow Texans” doesn’t include “those people” — and those people are the ones they are screwing over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-22Q8mECc
I thought North Korea’s conservative republican news coverage was more accurate than the spew we put with.
“it means killing people.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-22Q8mECc
I thought North Korea’s conservative republican news coverage was more accurate than the spew we put with.
“it means killing people.”
Anyone touches a hair on AOC’s head, and we will kill every Republican in this country, after we make them drink out of unflushed toilets, the fucking animals.
https://twitter.com/AOC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145762201619357696&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eschatonblog.com%2F
Anyone touches a hair on AOC’s head, and we will kill every Republican in this country, after we make them drink out of unflushed toilets, the fucking animals.
https://twitter.com/AOC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145762201619357696&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eschatonblog.com%2F
In a word, No.
Not that I ever disagree with you wj, but in a word, nope.
When you tell some people it’s OK to short their employee’s paychecks….
When you tell some people it’s OK to pollute the environment….
When you tell some people they have government sanction to inflict their religious prejudices on others….
When you tell women they can’t control their very own bodies….
When you tell some people they will get gigantic tax breaks at the expense of their fellow citizens….
When you enforce the idea that corporate rights supersede human rights….
When you tell some people their private greed supersedes the public good….
Then I would posit that you are screwing a whole lot of people over, and not just “them” as screwing “them” over goes without saying.
You are telling people “what to do” just as much as any soviet apparatchik.
heh. 🙂
In a word, No.
Not that I ever disagree with you wj, but in a word, nope.
When you tell some people it’s OK to short their employee’s paychecks….
When you tell some people it’s OK to pollute the environment….
When you tell some people they have government sanction to inflict their religious prejudices on others….
When you tell women they can’t control their very own bodies….
When you tell some people they will get gigantic tax breaks at the expense of their fellow citizens….
When you enforce the idea that corporate rights supersede human rights….
When you tell some people their private greed supersedes the public good….
Then I would posit that you are screwing a whole lot of people over, and not just “them” as screwing “them” over goes without saying.
You are telling people “what to do” just as much as any soviet apparatchik.
heh. 🙂
McKinney,
The pictures in my head for people I only know by internet text are never even close to reality :^)
McKinney,
The pictures in my head for people I only know by internet text are never even close to reality :^)
The other lawyer McKinney in Houston looks like an English theatre actor… 🙂
The other lawyer McKinney in Houston looks like an English theatre actor… 🙂
bobbyp, I think the critical word there was “fellow”. I would say that, in the minds of the Republican legislators under discussion (however inaccurately), “fellow Texans” doesn’t include any of those screwed over as you mention. Those are other people, not fellow Texans. It’s sorta like “real Americans” in that regard.
bobbyp, I think the critical word there was “fellow”. I would say that, in the minds of the Republican legislators under discussion (however inaccurately), “fellow Texans” doesn’t include any of those screwed over as you mention. Those are other people, not fellow Texans. It’s sorta like “real Americans” in that regard.
Tony,
Your 2:13 comment is very much on target.
There are countries where, for a time, politics is a life-or-death matter for everyone. Not here. Yet.
Tony,
Your 2:13 comment is very much on target.
There are countries where, for a time, politics is a life-or-death matter for everyone. Not here. Yet.
there were 9,500 members of that private FB group.
Two things, I guess.
First, making public statements like those found in the FB group should disqualify you, immediately, from serving in any law enforcement position.
Second, you cannot treat others in inhumane ways without surrendering some amount of your own humanity.
For some folks, that might be perk rather than a danger. But for a lot of folks I imagine it’s not.
We need to stop this bullshit because it is destroying people. Not just the immigrants, but us.
there were 9,500 members of that private FB group.
Two things, I guess.
First, making public statements like those found in the FB group should disqualify you, immediately, from serving in any law enforcement position.
Second, you cannot treat others in inhumane ways without surrendering some amount of your own humanity.
For some folks, that might be perk rather than a danger. But for a lot of folks I imagine it’s not.
We need to stop this bullshit because it is destroying people. Not just the immigrants, but us.
First, making public statements like those found in the FB group should disqualify you, immediately, from serving in any law enforcement position.
My personal experience makes me suspect that the percentage of people who choose professions that involve carrying guns and exercising authority over other people and who also espouse the sort of ideas in those posts is alarmingly high. That’s not a point of disagreement with your above opinion, russell, It’s just my opinion on how bad the situation is.
First, making public statements like those found in the FB group should disqualify you, immediately, from serving in any law enforcement position.
My personal experience makes me suspect that the percentage of people who choose professions that involve carrying guns and exercising authority over other people and who also espouse the sort of ideas in those posts is alarmingly high. That’s not a point of disagreement with your above opinion, russell, It’s just my opinion on how bad the situation is.
making public statements like those found in the FB group should disqualify you, immediately, from serving in any law enforcement position.
I would agree that making statements like this should be disqualifying. But I wonder, does a “private FB group” qualify as “public”? (Not being a Facebook user, I have no clue what constitutes a private group.)
making public statements like those found in the FB group should disqualify you, immediately, from serving in any law enforcement position.
I would agree that making statements like this should be disqualifying. But I wonder, does a “private FB group” qualify as “public”? (Not being a Facebook user, I have no clue what constitutes a private group.)
private groups are invite-only, nobody but members can read or write to them.
private groups are invite-only, nobody but members can read or write to them.
My personal experience makes me suspect…
I don’t disagree.
private groups are invite-only
It’s public now.
As JDT points out, the membership of that group is almost half the border patrol. They aren’t an army, they aren’t a “thin green line” protecting us from hostile invaders. The people coming here are not a menacing horde, they are people trying to make a better life for themselves, or in many cases trying to escape calamity. In many cases their crime is either a civil violation or no crime at all. More than no crime, it is in many cases a right protected by international agreement.
These guys need to find other employment.
My personal experience makes me suspect…
I don’t disagree.
private groups are invite-only
It’s public now.
As JDT points out, the membership of that group is almost half the border patrol. They aren’t an army, they aren’t a “thin green line” protecting us from hostile invaders. The people coming here are not a menacing horde, they are people trying to make a better life for themselves, or in many cases trying to escape calamity. In many cases their crime is either a civil violation or no crime at all. More than no crime, it is in many cases a right protected by international agreement.
These guys need to find other employment.
These guys need to find other employment.
Would you hire them?
I’d want to see a very different attitude first. Maybe some quality time doing farm work, or janitorial, would help with that….
These guys need to find other employment.
Would you hire them?
I’d want to see a very different attitude first. Maybe some quality time doing farm work, or janitorial, would help with that….
It’s a republican cult, America now is.
We’re not invited:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/so-heres-how-trump-doing-this
“I would agree that making statements like this should be disqualifying. But I wonder, does a “private FB group” qualify as “public”? (Not being a Facebook user, I have no clue what constitutes a private group.)”
See the above link for the republican fascist ambiguity of public versus private.
The Manson Family, David Koresh, the golf Masters at Augusta, the Conservative Republican Park Service, the murder syndicate called the Border Patrol and ICE, all private and/or attempting to be private cults on public property and taxpayer funded.
Apparently, the prisons the immigrant kids are held in are considered private domains, considering that elected public officials are only grudgingly permitted on the grounds, if admitted at all.
The first two could do and say whatever they pleased privately until they quite suddenly couldn’t.
The third gradually and grudgingly makes changes to its historically noxious privately-held (but fully on public display) views, so for now, they can continue. Tiger and Condoleezza now possess acceptable credentials for entry, their skin color and, in the case of the latter, her plumbing.
They also possess the most important credentials, money and prestige.
The final two will go the way of the first two and, if they so choose, and by the same means.
We are advised that killing people is what it takes to lead a country.
First ones in the pool win.
It’s a republican cult, America now is.
We’re not invited:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/so-heres-how-trump-doing-this
“I would agree that making statements like this should be disqualifying. But I wonder, does a “private FB group” qualify as “public”? (Not being a Facebook user, I have no clue what constitutes a private group.)”
See the above link for the republican fascist ambiguity of public versus private.
The Manson Family, David Koresh, the golf Masters at Augusta, the Conservative Republican Park Service, the murder syndicate called the Border Patrol and ICE, all private and/or attempting to be private cults on public property and taxpayer funded.
Apparently, the prisons the immigrant kids are held in are considered private domains, considering that elected public officials are only grudgingly permitted on the grounds, if admitted at all.
The first two could do and say whatever they pleased privately until they quite suddenly couldn’t.
The third gradually and grudgingly makes changes to its historically noxious privately-held (but fully on public display) views, so for now, they can continue. Tiger and Condoleezza now possess acceptable credentials for entry, their skin color and, in the case of the latter, her plumbing.
They also possess the most important credentials, money and prestige.
The final two will go the way of the first two and, if they so choose, and by the same means.
We are advised that killing people is what it takes to lead a country.
First ones in the pool win.
all private and/or attempting to be private cults on public property and taxpayer funded
Sure. But Facebook is neither.
Apparently, the prisons the immigrant kids are held in are considered private domains, considering that elected public officials are only grudgingly permitted on the grounds, if admitted at all.
Consider the Trump administration’s response to Congressional subpoenas. It appears they think the entire Executive Branch is a private domain. Nothing special, then, about ICE prisons for kids.
all private and/or attempting to be private cults on public property and taxpayer funded
Sure. But Facebook is neither.
Apparently, the prisons the immigrant kids are held in are considered private domains, considering that elected public officials are only grudgingly permitted on the grounds, if admitted at all.
Consider the Trump administration’s response to Congressional subpoenas. It appears they think the entire Executive Branch is a private domain. Nothing special, then, about ICE prisons for kids.
From JDT’s TPM link
The ‘Salute to America’ event will be hosted by the President of the United States and will take place at the Lincoln Memorial.
Honestly, we’re all canceled.
Also this:
Tiger and Condoleezza now possess acceptable credentials for entry, their skin color and, in the case of the latter, her plumbing.
!!!!!!!!!!!!
When she was Provost and I a student in Palo Alto she responded to some criticism in a public forum with “I’ve been black all my life.” which no one was denying and seemed heartfelt. And here more than a quarter century later she is using the same line…
No one could have predicted….
Tiger at least has some accomplishments in his field that turned out well, not that that excuses his other BS.
From JDT’s TPM link
The ‘Salute to America’ event will be hosted by the President of the United States and will take place at the Lincoln Memorial.
Honestly, we’re all canceled.
Also this:
Tiger and Condoleezza now possess acceptable credentials for entry, their skin color and, in the case of the latter, her plumbing.
!!!!!!!!!!!!
When she was Provost and I a student in Palo Alto she responded to some criticism in a public forum with “I’ve been black all my life.” which no one was denying and seemed heartfelt. And here more than a quarter century later she is using the same line…
No one could have predicted….
Tiger at least has some accomplishments in his field that turned out well, not that that excuses his other BS.
all Trump ever wanted to be was a TV star.
all Trump ever wanted to be was a TV star.
Two demons colluding…
“The Boston Globe reports the ‘astonishing turn’ that organizations created by libertarian billionaire Charles Koch and progressive billionaire George Soros are helping to fund a new think tank, the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. The new group is committed to promoting ‘ideas that move U.S. foreign policy away from endless war and toward vigorous diplomacy in the pursuit of international peace.'”
Charles Koch, George Soros Help Fund Think Tank Opposed To ‘Endless War’: Welcome to 21st-century politics (finally) with creation of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.
Two demons colluding…
“The Boston Globe reports the ‘astonishing turn’ that organizations created by libertarian billionaire Charles Koch and progressive billionaire George Soros are helping to fund a new think tank, the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. The new group is committed to promoting ‘ideas that move U.S. foreign policy away from endless war and toward vigorous diplomacy in the pursuit of international peace.'”
Charles Koch, George Soros Help Fund Think Tank Opposed To ‘Endless War’: Welcome to 21st-century politics (finally) with creation of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.
Charles Koch and progressive billionaire George Soros
and QAnon just fainted
Charles Koch and progressive billionaire George Soros
and QAnon just fainted
all Trump ever wanted to be was a TV star
How . . . inconvenient . . . that this, like so many accomplishments, generally requires a modicum of talent.
all Trump ever wanted to be was a TV star
How . . . inconvenient . . . that this, like so many accomplishments, generally requires a modicum of talent.
italics escape!
terminated (?)
italics escape!
terminated (?)
Thanks, cleek
Thanks, cleek