In A Moment Of Neglect I Might Fly

by hilzoy The woman who wrote the letter I posted last night made it through the demonstrations, and has posted another letter, about the woman who was shot in the video: "I'm here to let you know I'm alive but my sister was killed… I'm here to tell you my sister died while in her … Read more

Iran: Saturday

by hilzoy Barack Obama: "The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United … Read more

6:45 am In Tehran

by hilzoy Via Nico Pitney, Carnegie Endowment Iran analyst Karim Sadjadpour: "The weight of the world now rests on the shoulders of Mir Hossein Mousavi. I expect that Khamenei's people have privately sent signals to him that they're ready for a bloodbath, they're prepared to use overwhelming force to crush this, and is he willing to … Read more

Coming To You Live From An Alternate Reality …

by hilzoy Today the Washington Post, fresh from canning one of its best writers, lets Charles Krauthammer send us a dispatch from the alternate reality in which he lives. In that reality, apparently, Iranian demonstrators "await just a word that America is on their side." Joe Klein, just back from the real Tehran, asks: "They … Read more

Mos Openest of Threads

by Eric Yoshi Martin Below is a video from an appearance by Mos Def on David Letterman early last week.  It’s a bit weird for me to watch because I’ve known the DJ for over 15 years, from back when I was a freshman at NYU and he at Parsons, and we would spend countless … Read more

The Big Reveal

by Eric Martin

George Packer responds to recent posts by Hilzoy and myself, although in actuality he directs his response to the comments section which he bemoans as being notable for the "considerable volume of sheer vituperation."  While he doesn't mention either Hilzoy or me by name, he does make a curious non-sequitur reference to our professions, philosophy professor and lawyer respectively [though I'm not an "international lawyer" for the record].  In fact, Packer, who in the opening paragraph complains about the tone of the Obsidian Wings commenters' criticisms of his work, punctuates a later argument with this snide allusion to Hilzoy: "You don’t have to be a philosophy professor to grasp these differences—it might even help not to be."

So it is that within the first couple of paragraphs Packer provides examples of what has become a persistent criticism leveled in his direction: that he is dismissive of those that disagree with him, refusing to treat arguments in good faith, instead opting for caricatured depictions and extreme opinions that are not representative but that are easier to take down. 

In the present example, rather than respond  directly to the core of the authors' arguments (he barely touches Hilzoy's criticism at all), he chooses to conflate comments with the posts themselves so that he can cherry pick to bolster his rebuttal.  Within that context, he seeks to preemptively delegitimize the comments as a whole by pointing to the invective found in some.  Finally, he attempts to pull rank in a familiar way by highlighting professional resumes: surely the analysis of a philosophy professor and lawyer would be, presumptively, of less merit than that of an actual journalist such as Packer (regardless of the actual substance of the parties' respective analysis or track records).  Unless there was another, relevant point to be made in mentioning our occupations?

Although I enjoyed The Assassins' Gate immensely (and much of his other writing), the book's biggest drawback is its characterization of the anti-war movement as fringe, knee-jerk in its pacifism and lacking in "understanding" of the region.  This was consistent with Packer's pre-war condemnation of the anti-war movement being part and parcel with a "doctrinaire left" that opposes any and all American foreign policy.  Or as Packer put it in another piece, the antiwar movement was "controlled by the furthest reaches of the American left" - a conclusion supported in that article by reference to slogans and signs at some anti-war rallies.  

A closer look reveals a different picture.  Apparently, the furthest reaches of the American left included the likes of Brent Scowcroft, Stephen Walt and a host of hardnosed rightwing realists.  Not to mention these people.  But their arguments weren't easy to dismiss, and so they were wished away.  So, too, were logistical arguments raised by such fringe leftists as General Eric Shinseki.  Ironically, Shinseki's argument about troop levels (ignored at the time) was later resurrected by the likes of Packer to explain that, while his intentions were noble, the Bush administration failed to execute the plan properly.  That maneuver has become known as The Incompetence Dodge.

Packer's initial rebuttal to my charge that his call for a "stronger American stand" and critique of Obama represented the wrong approach is that he wrote the piece that I challenged before Obama had made a subsequent statement that he considered adequate.  Fair enough, but then I would invoke the same chronological defense: my post criticizing Packer came before his later clarification.

But Packer, and other liberal hawks, should not be so defensive.  While I made a point of stressing in my original piece that I have no interest in excommunicating former Iraq war supporters such as Packer and Sullivan, nor do I endorse a blanket embargo on their works (far from it, I continue to read each with regularity), nevertheless, given Packer's role in providing a bi-partisan cover for the Iraq war (probably the biggest blunder in the history of American foreign policy) his ongoing foreign policy advocacy should receive heightened scrutiny to determine if that Iraq war support was an aberration or part of a dangerous pattern.

After all, support for the Iraq war along the philosophical lines evoked by Packer at the time was a symptom, rather than the disease itself. The actual pathology (at least for those with good intentions) is support for a hyper-interventionist strain of foreign policy that treats as a given that military intervention can be used effectively (and should) for humanitarian goals in a number of settings (from the Balkans to Iraq to Burma), and that legitimate goals could include anything from interdicting a genocide to democracy promotion.  Underlying this faith in the redemptive power of war is a presumption of American exceptionalism, and the esteem it supposedly enjoys in the eyes of the world, sufficient to soften the jagged edges of shrapnel and other ordnance.  They will greet us as liberators! 

The question that will loom over Packer and other Iraq-war supporters is to what extent they have rethought these basic assumptions such that they will not fall into the same trap again?  Is their advice worth heeding?  Being subject to this initial skepticism is a small price to pay considering the harsher treatment war opponents have received- marginalized, disregarded and treated as unserious while war supporters are still turned to for counsel by the larger media outlets.

In terms of reassuring readers, Packer does himself no favors by reacting in such a dismissive way to those that take issue with what seemed like a call for inserting America into an internal Iranian electoral dispute in a way that would likely hurt the prospects of those we would, ostensibly, be seeking to help.  In fact, after conceding that Obama did take the right approach by not being so vocal and partisan, he seems to revisit the argument anew casting doubt on those that suggested that too strong a role from Obama could prove detrimental:

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Neocons Vindicated?

by hilzoy

Andrew Sullivan links to " a smashing column" by Daniel Finkelstein:

"I am a neocon. Given all that has happened over the past ten years, I am sure my PR consultant would advise me to drop this label. But I don't employ a PR consultant. So, stubbornly, I cling on to the designation. It declares my belief in two things — that in every country in the world, wherever it may be and whatever its traditions, the people yearn for liberty, for free expression and for democracy; and that the spread of liberty and democracy (not necessarily through the barrel of a gun) is the only real way to bring peace to the world. I believe that what we are seeing on the streets of Iran now is a vindication of these neoconservative ideas."

Hmm. If that's what neoconservatism is, then I suppose I must be a neoconservative, or something very like one. I do not believe that everyone yearns for liberty, free expression, and democracy. I think that it took a lot of time for people to work out what, exactly, a free government would be like, and that before that happened, people could not possibly be said to have yearned for one. (Did people yearn for democracy in 12th century France?) 

On the other hand, we have worked that out now, more or less; and the idea of democracy is available to anyone who is in contact with the broader world. It's a natural idea to turn to when one's own government seems unsatisfactory, and once a people start asking why they should have no say in their government, I think it's hard for them to un-ask it, or to accept without hesitation a country in which their voices are completely excluded. So I suppose I am, for practical purposes, on board with this part of the neoconservative program.

Similarly, while I'm not sure I'd agree that "the spread of liberty and democracy (…) is the only real way to bring peace to the world", I think it would certainly help a lot. So I suppose I'm on board with that as well. This, according to Mr. Finkelstein, makes me, if not a real neoconservative, at least a pretty close approximation of one.

Which is, of course, absurd.

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Get Inside their Heads, Love their Loves

by Eric Verde Martin In Which I Will Thank Andrew Sullivan To make amends for my overly harsh criticism of Andrew Sullivan earlier this week (it really was unfair to lump him in with people calling on Obama to speak out more forcefully), allow me to take this opportunity to commend his work in bringing to light … Read more

Testing My PATIENTS

by Eric Martin One of the reasons that it's hard to take GOP critiques of health care reform seriously is because, quite frequently, it is apparent that they are not arguing in good faith.  For example, if keeping government expenditures on health care lower is really the primary goal, then stripping the government's ability to negotiate … Read more

There But For The Grace Of God …

by hilzoy Charles Brown at Undiplomatic picks up a gem from John McCain that I missed yesterday (Brown's emphasis): "DAVID GREGORY: Let's get right to it on Iran. How does the U.S. deal with an emboldened Iranian President Ahmadinejad? SENATOR JOHN McCAIN: Well, we lead; we condemn the sham, corrupt election. We do what we … Read more

You’d Think This Would Settle It …

by hilzoy In a sane world, the absence of any evidence that the Obama administration was considering reinstating the Fairness Doctrine would have prevented people from talking darkly about the end of talk radio and freedom of speech. Regrettably, we do not live in a sane world. But this exchange seems clear enough to put … Read more

A Mystery Solved!

by hilzoy Slate answers a question about Iran that came up in comments: "In many photos, riot police wear uniforms with the English word police on them. Ambulances, too, bear the word ambulance in English. Why not use Persian words instead of their English equivalents? Because everyone knows English. Like many capital cities, Tehran has … Read more

Cause My Seconds, Minutes, Hours Go to the Almighty Dollar

by Eric Martin One of the fundamental tensions between free market principles and health insurance provision is that, at the end of the day, free market entities are motivated by turning a profit, not providing insurance to their clients.  In the real world, that translates (frequently) into denying health insurance benefits  under some technicality or another to those customers that are most in … Read more

John Self: A Deficit Note

by von We now have the opening salvos in the healthcare debate.  The current Democratic proposal — the Health Choices Act — is a relatively modest expansion in care.  Yet, even Health Choices Act is projected to add an estimated $1 trillion to the U.S. budget deficit over the next ten years.  As the CBO notes, the cost is likely … Read more

We’re Not Scaremongering, this Is Really Happening

by Eric Martin I was lucky enough to be invited to a meeting between President Clinton and a group bloggers this past Monday at Clinton's Harlem office (I'm the tall guy on the right with the creepy smile looming over Amanda Terkel, Vanessa and Samhita from Feministing and a health care blogger whose name escapes me).  The meeting centered around the … Read more

The Revolutionary Non-Revolution

by publius Man oh man, this is a good point.  Citing Ali Gharib, Spencer Ackerman writes: Ali Gharib makes the stellar point that what’s going on in Iran is reaffirmation of the Islamic Revolution, not a repudiation of it.  . . .  If Gharib is right, then what’s unfolding is a measure of reconciling the … Read more

Each Country Is What It Is, And Not Another Country

by hilzoy There's an Eastern European theme developing on the right. Here's one version: "Someday a future president may have to apologize to Iranians for Mr. Obama's nonfeasance, just as Mr. Obama apologized for the Eisenhower administration's meddling. But the better Eisenhower parallel is with Hungary in 1956. Then as now a popular uprising coalesced … Read more

Radio Debut

by publius So I'm going to be on the Jeff Farias show at 7 CT tonight — you can stream from the website here if you're so interested.  It's my first one of these, so hopefully I won't say anything stupid.  But that's always a distinct possibility.

Cyberwar for Beginners

by publius Via Wired and Dear Mister Lewis, I saw this interesting "guide" that provides tips on how to help Iranian bloggers and twitterers.  Kind of puts recent events on our own blog into perspective.  Here's a sample: Do NOT publicise proxy IP’s over twitter, and especially not using the #iranelection hashtag. Security forces are … Read more

What Have We Learned?

by Eric Martin Make no mistake about it, the same factions that were advocating for war with Iran before the presidential election late last week will use the dubious results as a pretense to augment the volume and urgency of their exhortations.  The usual suspects, from Netanyahu (no doubt relieved to see the easy-to-demonize Ahmadinejad still atop the dais) to American neocons (ditto), … Read more

The Berlusconi Thing

by hilzoy Note to self: Do not get on Jose Saramago's bad side (h/t): "The Berlusconi Thing by JosĂ© SaramagoI don’t know what other name I could give it. It’s a thing that looks dangerously like a human, a thing that throws parties, that organises orgies and rules a country called Italy. This thing, this … Read more

Realism

by hilzoy George Packer has written that rare thing: a thoughtful, serious, and interesting post with which I almost completely disagree. It's on the tension between realism and idealism as manifested in the Obama administration's response to Iran. I start disagreeing here: "For eight years, George W. Bush maintained that there was no tension, let alone … Read more

Pictures

by publius The Boston Globe's "Big Picture" has a photo gallery of the latest from Iran that's worth checking out (via the Lede).  Some of them are rather disturbing though.  This one, however, stood out (click for larger image):  

The Smearing of Health Care Reform

by publius The Senate GOP is girding up for battle on health care reform.  Not that it's a huge surprise, but their main line of attack has some pants-on-fire problems.  Here's Politico: As President Barack Obama tried to sell the American Medical Association today on his health care overhaul, the top Senate Republicans launched a … Read more

The Limits of Twitter

by publius Twitter is obviously one of the big stories to come out of the Iranian election.  And it's been a remarkable development — no argument there.  The tweets have been inspiring and courageous.  And there's an aesthetic dimension to them that's hard to resist. But understand… the tweets could be stopped (more on that … Read more

Tehran

by hilzoy Here's video of the demonstration in Tehran. As you watch it, bear in mind not just that the demonstration had been banned, which means that all these people are breaking the law, but that there were rumors on various Iranian Twitter feeds that the demonstration had been cancelled, that the police had been … Read more

For we are lovers of the beautiful

by von Ayatollah Khamenei — Iran's Supreme leader and, possibly, the most beautifully-named despot in the world* — has apparently changed course. There will now be some investigation into the allegations of fraud surrounding Ahmedinejad's election.  A good start, but a far cry from the full probe of election procedures and results urged by the EU.  Until … Read more

The Tragedy in Iran

by publius Like hilzoy, I wish I had something more profound to add to the Iran coverage.  At the moment, I'm just trying to digest everything from those with a better sense of what's happening and what it all means. But personally speaking, the overwhelming emotion I've had is simply sadness.  It's just an incredibly … Read more

Iran: Sunday

by hilzoy Laura Rozen: "Iranian opposition presidential candidate Mir Hussein Moussavi is planning a march of his supporters at 4 p.m. Monday in Tehran, Iranian sources said. He apparently went to see the supreme leader Sunday to seek a permit for it, but one hasn't yet been obtained. If he is prevented from getting permission, … Read more

Fish!

by hilzoy From the Toronto Star (h/t CharleyCarp): "After almost eight years of captivity, each step of Khelil Mamut's freedom is a little overwhelming. The ocean, which he could hear only on windy days when the waves crashed beyond Guantanamo's razor wire rimmed fence, is now something he can wade into. People call him by his name, … Read more

Iran

by hilzoy I don't have any more idea than anyone else what's happening in Iran. (Note to news media: please do a better job of covering this!) People who know a lot more than I do are convinced the election was stolen. (Gary Sick, Suzanne Maloney, Juan Cole, a source of Steve Clemons'.) Gordon Robison … Read more

Bermuda Does What We Will Not

by hilzoy Yesterday, four of the Uighur detainees at Guantanamo were transferred to Bermuda. Some or all of the rest might go to Palau. Apparently, the British government is upset, and some Bermudans are worried about the effects on the tourist industry: ""When an American is watching an ad (for Bermuda) it hits my mind … Read more

Shameless Friend Promotion

by publius But it's for a very good cause.  Filmmaker Sasie Sealy — scratch that, award-winning filmmaker Sasie Sealy is a finalist in Netflix's "Find Your Voice" competition.  If she wins, it would give her a full budget to begin shooting this fall (which I would eventually leverage into an LA premiere party invite, which … Read more

That thing with the cups

by von A Friday afternoon interlude: I'm a bet it all and win I'm a set it off and run I'm a kill it till it's dead I'm a do it till it ain't fun and the words don't come then I'm a find another hobby probably find love probably find trust '81 young with a little … Read more