Foreboding Fangtata

by Eric Martin Michael Savage: "a lot of guys become gay out of default" because "they're afraid" of women… To which I reply: Well, duh.  Who wouldn't be afraid?  I mean, there's balrogs in them thar hills bacon and play doh labyrinths.  Or so I've heard. 

Joe the Plumber in Israel

by publius There doesn't seem to be an embed option, but it's worth your time to watch this 2 minute dispatch from Joe the Plumber, reporter, taunting the press reporting live from Israel. Best line – "Oh…Reuters."

The Spoils

by Eric Martin George Packer describes one particularly painful reverberation emanating from the Madoff scandal: When Bernard Madoff was defrauding investors, do you imagine he gave a thought to the refugees he was going to harm? Human Rights First, formerly Lawyers Committee for Human Rights, has a refugee protection program that advocates on behalf of, among others, Iraqi refugees … Read more

Closing Guantanamo: Part 2

by hilzoy From the AP story on closing Guantanamo: "What remains the thorniest issue for Obama, the advisers said, is what to do with the rest of the prisoners — including at least 15 so-called "high value detainees" considered among the most dangerous there. Detainees held on U.S. soil would have certain legal rights that they were … Read more

Closing Guantanamo: Part 1

by hilzoy From the AP: "President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to issue an executive order his first week in office — and perhaps his first day — to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, according to two presidential transition team advisers. It's unlikely the detention facility at the Navy base in Cuba will be closed anytime soon. In an interview last weekend, Obama … Read more

A Stir of Echoes

by Eric Martin As mentioned in a recent post, the military assault on Gaza, together with the attempted coup and the punitive blockade of food, medicine and commercial goods that preceded it, has the potential to either strengthen hardline factions within Hamas at the expense of more politically moderate groups, or to provide a foothold (or increased … Read more

Lovely

by publius The state of domestic Israeli politics continues on its hyper-nationalist descent into madness: The Central Elections Committee on Monday banned Arab political parties from running in next month's parliamentary elections, drawing accusations of racism by an Arab lawmaker who said he would challenge the decision in the country's Supreme Court. The ruling, made … Read more

Pick That Template

by publius In case you haven't noticed, we've been having some trouble with Typepad lately. No one likes the paginated comments, and there are clearly a lot of bugs in the new editor. Anyway, we've decided that it's time to move to WordPress. It's not 100% official, but it's close. This is where you come … Read more

Not The Night Of The Long Knives

by hilzoy

The NYT asked Charles Fried, Jack Balkin, and Dahlia Lithwick "how the incoming administration should deal with the legal legacy of the war on terrorism", or, more briefly, whether people who authorized torture, rendition, illegal surveillance, and so forth should be put on trial. As I've said before, I think they should. As Dahlia Lithwick says:

"The Bush administration made its worst errors in judgment when it determined that the laws simply don’t apply to certain people. If we declare presumptively that there can be no justice for high-level government officials who acted illegally then we exhibit the same contempt for the rule of law."

This means, of course, that I disagree with Charles Fried*, who writes::

"There are those who will press for criminal prosecutions, but this should be resisted.

It is a hallmark of a sane and moderate society that when it changes leaders and regimes, those left behind should be abandoned to the judgment of history. It is in savage societies that the defeat of a ruling faction entails its humiliation, exile and murder.

In contrast, by turning away from show trials and from the persecution of even the worst of their past regimes’ miscreants, new democracies like Spain and South Africa showed that they had moved decisively beyond a politics of hate and revenge. To South Africa and its Truth and Reconciliation Commission compare the barbarism and desolation of Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe.

Think too of the succession of Roman emperors, of the Soviet Union of Lenin and Stalin, or of the night of the long knives when Hitler eliminated his closest associates and rivals. It is only an exaggeration to see the urge to criminalize our soon-to-be-former leaders, to make into courtroom drama the tragedy of the last eight years, as an extension of this same practice."

Question: does Charles Fried think that all criminal trials are like the Night of the Long Knives or the Stalinist purges? Did he think this while he was Solicitor General? Does he think that in our effort to move beyond the barbarism of Mugabe's Zimbabwe, we should stop trying thieves and rapists, and punish murderers without giving way to the 'hate and revenge' of the criminal justice system? Or is it only politicians whose trials cannot be distinguished from the 'humiliation, exile and murder' of the vanquished?

Fried goes on to concede that "ours would not be Stalin-type show trials, but they would have a kind of absurdity distinctive to our own over-lawyered culture." They would have all sorts of procedural intricacies, which he details at some length. Personally, I think that all these things — subpoenas, depositions, discovery, motions for this and that — are among the things that distinguish a decent system of justice from the purges and barbarism Fried mentions. If they are too annoying for politicians to put up with, or too ludicrous to be useful, then we should change them across the board. If not — if they serve some useful purpose — then simply listing them in a way that makes them sound pettifogging and ridiculous is wrong.

Fried also tries to distinguish Cheney et al from ordinary criminals:

"But should the high and mighty get off when ordinary people committing the same crimes would go to prison? The answer is that they are not the same crimes. Administration officials were not thieves lining their own pockets. Theirs were political crimes committed by persons whose jobs were to exercise the powers of government on our behalf. And the same is even truer of the lower-level officers who followed their orders. (…)

If you cannot see the difference between Hitler and Dick Cheney, between Stalin and Donald Rumsfeld, between Mao and Alberto Gonzales, there may be no point in our talking. It is not just a difference of scale, but our leaders were defending their country and people — albeit with an insufficient sense of moral restraint — against a terrifying threat by ruthless attackers with no sense of moral restraint at all."

I can see the difference between Hitler and Dick Cheney. I can also see the difference between Hitler and a shoplifter. That does not mean that I do not think that the shoplifter should be punished for his crime. 

More to the point, it is possible to com
mit crimes for comprehensible purposes. Women sometimes kill husbands who beat them, seeing no other way out. People steal to buy their children food or medicine. The fact that in so doing they show an "insufficient sense of moral restraint" is not relevant to the question whether they committed murder or theft.

If Bush and Cheney's motives are in fact an excuse under criminal statutes, then they should get off (and, I would add, the statutes should be changed.) If not, I do not see why invoking their motives is relevant here. This is especially true since I would think that any government official who decided to violate the laws against torture would do so not to line her own pockets — torture is not normally lucrative — but because she thought there was a good reason to do so. If we want to make torture by government officials legal, we should just go ahead and change the law. We should not pretend that it is illegal while excusing any torture performed for motives that any government officials who licenses torture will probably share.

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Peculiar Dreams

by hilzoy Brad DeLong had a strange dream: "I just dreamed that it was the 1930s and I was briefing the Cravsth lawyers for today's scotus oral argument in Schechter Poultry…" I sometimes have odd dreams related to my profession. There are the standard anxiety nightmares — I have a recurring one in which I … Read more

Purple Hearts And PTSD

by hilzoy Via Michael Cohen at Democracy Arsenal, the NYT: “The Pentagon has decided that it will not award the Purple Heart, the hallowed medal given to those wounded or killed by enemy action, to war veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder because it is not a physical wound. The decision, made public on … Read more

A Thread in the Shape of a Circle: For Target Practice

by Eric Martini-Henry A place where we can gather around and shoot each other in the face.  Just like the Vice President taught us.    Speaking of Cheney, he’s so evil that conservatives use his malevolance as a yardstick with which to measure others’ dedication to the cause of conservatism.  Which is apparently evil.  Not … Read more

Better Late Than Never

by hilzoy From the Chicago Tribune’s ‘Clout Street’ blog: “In a historic vote, the Illinois House has impeached Gov. Rod Blagojevich, directing the Senate to put the state’s 40th chief executive on trial with the goal of removing him from office. The vote by the House was 114-1 and marks the first time in the … Read more

Kick it Root Down

by Eric Martin John Cole uses news of resistance among certain Democratic lawmakers to some of President-elect Obama’s tax cut proposals as an occasion to delineate between the virtues of healthy debate vs. the vice-like tendency to engage in the dread circular firing squad. Let me be clear. I think this is a good thing. … Read more

No, Blacks Did Not Destroy Gay Marriage

by hilzoy Finally, we have a good analysis (pdf) of the levels of African-American support for Proposition 8. Guess what? It probably wasn’t nearly as high as the exit polls suggested: “Surveys conducted just before and just after Election Day found much smaller differences in support for Proposition 8 between African Americans and voters as … Read more

Countervailing Powers

by hilzoy From the Washington Post: “Senate leaders won the support of Citigroup, one of the nation’s largest banks, for legislation allowing bankruptcy judges to modify the terms of troubled mortgages. (…) Senators Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) called this a breakthrough on the bankruptcy issue and said they will … Read more

Friends Don’t Let Friends

by Eric Martin The former founding father of American Footprints, Blake Hounshell (fka praktike), has recently overseen the formation of an impressive new media armada over at Foreign Policy magazine.  Foreign Policy's blogospheric collective has assimilated such notables as Marc Lynch, Dan Drezner, Tom Ricks, David Rothkopf, Stephen Walt and Laura Rozen, as well as … Read more

Be Careful What You Wish For

by Eric Martin Marc Lynch, writing at his fancy new digs, passes along this disturbing account of a lecture he attended given by Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Sallai Meridor: It was a profoundly dismaying experience. Because if Ambassador Meridor is taken at his word, then Israel has no strategy in Gaza. Asked three … Read more

Moral Clarity

by publius Charles Krauthammer: Some geopolitical conflicts are morally complicated. The Israel-Gaza war is not. It possesses a moral clarity not only rare but excruciating. Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger. Today’s Post: The International Committee … Read more

How To Approach Delicate Snowflakes in the Senate

by publius In light of the continuing and incomprehensible whining and preening by people like Feinstein and Rockefeller (who are both apparently 5 years old), I think Obama needs to change some procedures when nominating his cabinet. Given that the snowflakes in the Senate are quite delicate, he needs to go personally to each Senator’s … Read more

The Great Distractor

by publius There are of course many reasons to be upset with the Burris appointment. But I’m actually most angry at Burris — and I hope he never gets a seat. It’s one thing to accept an appointment and fight for it — Senate seats ain’t easy to come by. But it’s quite another to … Read more

“The Facebook”

by publius Don’t know about you, but I’m really enjoying the RNC chair race. Here’s the current chair Mike Duncan on the need to embrace technology: “We have to do it in the Facebook, with the Twittering, the different technology that young people are using today,” Duncan ventured. With the combination of the Google and … Read more

The Retro Left

by publius For years, I’ve prided myself on being a good Clinton/Blair-style liberal. Like them, I’ve generally considered myself socially liberal, pro-market, and skeptical of the traditional “Left,” which had viewed the world through class-colored lenses. In recent years, though, I’ve been slowly but steadily drifting Leftward, and the pace has quickened of late. To … Read more

“No Torture. No Exceptions.”

by hilzoy From the NYT: “President-elect Barack Obama has selected Leon E. Panetta, the former congressman and White House chief of staff, to take over the Central Intelligence Agency, an organization that Mr. Obama criticized during the campaign for using interrogation methods he decried as torture, Democratic officials said Monday.” So, you might be wondering, … Read more

Yoo Who?

by Eric Martin As has been noted in a few other locales (though none with the post-title eloquence of John Cole), John Bolton and John Yoo have recently taken to the pages of the New York Times to preemptively warn about, of all things, executive overreach by the incoming Obama administation.  Specifically, the two Johns … Read more

Dawn Johnsen At OLC

by hilzoy The Obama transition team has announced several new appointments at the Department of Justice: David Ogden as Deputy Attorney General; Elena Kagan as Solicitor General; Tom Perrelli as Associate Attorney General; and Dawn Johnsen, Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel. I want to focus on the last of these. Like … Read more

Random Snippets

by hilzoy Just a couple of things I had to highlight. First, my quote of the day: “After helping to foster the explosive growth of consumer debt in recent years, credit card companies are realizing that some hard-pressed Americans will not be able to pay their bills as the economy deteriorates.” Really? All those credit … Read more

Nooooo! No More Tax Cuts!

by hilzoy From the NYT: “President-elect Barack Obama plans to include about $300 billion in tax cuts for workers and businesses in his economic recovery program, advisers said Sunday, as his team seeks to win over Congressional skeptics worried that he was too focused on government spending. The legislation Mr. Obama is developing with Congressional … Read more

Value At Risk

by hilzoy One of the things I love about blogs is that they allow people who really know what they’re talking about to respond, publicly, to what they read, and to do so almost instantaneously, so that the rest of us can benefit. There’s a wonderful example today. It starts with a long NYT article … Read more

Taking Our Medicine

by hilzoy The NYT has a long piece on the financial meltdown in two parts: 1, 2. It’s very much worth reading. One point in particular jumped out at me: “THERE are other things the Treasury might do when a major financial firm assumed to be “too big to fail” comes knocking, asking for free … Read more

Anniversary

by hilzoy A year ago today: 12:40:41 AM Andy: I’ve got to go. 12:40:43 AM Andy: *sighs* 12:40:45 AM Hilary: kk 12:40:54 AM Hilary: Bye. Have a great day. 12:41:01 AM Andy: Thanks. Sleep well. It was, of course, morning in Iraq, and Andy Olmsted was heading out on a mission. Some hours later, he … Read more