Sunday Open Thread

by von

Many years ago, when I was living in Wicker Park in Chicago, it became apparent that I was going receive a life time of wearing suits in partial exchange for my immortal soul.  (The heavy price paid by an officer of the Court, et al., et snark.) On that ill-fated day, I vowed that — some day, far in the future — one of my suits would be a black suit.  Yes, a black suit:  made (re)famous in Reservoir Dogs, both trendy and terminally out of style, and really kinda silly.

Said black suit has now been purchased.

On completely unrelated notes:

A singular beauty of the IPod shuffle feature is that you discover old favorites.  In my case, that would be this and this and this — although, in the final "this," I can only listen to the first song on the album without throwing up.  (You must respect "Tell me true, tell be why / was Jesus crucified? / Was it for this that daddy died?" as a kick-ass opener, even if what follows is mostly crap.)  (Yes, I was an eclectically mixed-up kid/teen/young adult.)

From CNN, I learn that Judge Ricardo Hinojosa (Judge, Southern District of Texas — McAllen Division) has been mentioned as a possible replacement for Justice O’Connor.  I’ve appeared before Judge Hinojosa:  he’s a fantastic District Court judge.  Whether he’d make a good Supreme Court Justice, however, I have no idea.

Of course, the fact that Hinojosa’s name was floated by the Democrat leadership makes it virtually certain that he won’t be nominated by President Bush.

This is your Sunday open thread.

UPDATE:  In my stream of consciousness ramblings, above, I write that Pink Floyd’s The Final Cut is "mostly crap."  Turns out (and I kinda knew this already) mine is not a universally shared view.  Chris Ott, writing for Pitchfork Media, gave The Final Cut a 9/10.  He also notes, correctly, that Kurt Loder gave The Final Cut Rolling Stone’s coveted five-stars.

I have three responses to this disturbing slander:

First, any album containing the odious "Not Now John" cannot possibly be awarded a 9 out of 10, a 5 out of 5, or any score that, if applied to an uncurved middle school exam, would work out an "A" or a "B".  Even if you believe that The Final Cut is the musical equivalent of Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity, "Not Now John" is akin a taking a large and somewhat moist crap in the middle of the page.  It really is that bad.

Second, "Paranoid Eyes" and "The Gunner’s Dream" are pretentious mope rock, with little lyric or musical style to recommend them.  No about of "perspective" and no desire to buck the "common wisdom" can change that.

Finally, unless there are two Chris Otts in Chicago who live and breathe indyrock, I’m pretty sure I’ve bumped into him here or there as a friend of a friend.  So, the unbearable and inerrent truth of points one and two notwithstanding, no offense intended.    

74 thoughts on “Sunday Open Thread”

  1. My Property professor’s been mentioned. She didn’t succeed in teaching my property in a way that stuck but I’m pretty sure that’s not her fault.
    I have my differences with her ideologically–though more in common than anyone else I’ve heard seriously discussed as a nominee–but I think she’d be just terrific.
    Ideologically she’s hard to pin down. She spent a summer doing civil rights work in Mississippi in the early 1960s; she’s (alas) a strong supporter of the anti-gay marriage amendment. (I was actively disappointed in that, especially the fairly lousy arguments she made for it.) She sometimes sounds an awful lot like Richard Goldstone and sometimes like–well, she’s too smart and polite to sound like James Dobson, but she hits some of the same notes. I guess it’s not surprising for someone who was a high ranking advisor to the former pope…she’s no originalist, she’s no “living constitution”-alist either.
    Overall I think she’d be a fantastic choice, and not only because it’d be cool to have met a Supreme Court Justice. Unfortunately, I think age (mid to late 60s I think) will rule her out.

  2. OT:
    The Charles Bird blogger is illogical and terrible.
    Please drop him.
    The main bloggers like Hilzoy and Von are good.

  3. Said black suit has now been purchased.
    And when shall follow the mandatory photographing of same, preferably in a pose ripped from the screen of Reservoir Dogs?

  4. Ya’ know, Bush may surprise us all and pick a solid jurist instead of an unqualified partisan hack to fill the open spot on the Supreme Court.
    It could happen…and monkeys might fly out of my butt.

  5. Katherine,
    I happened to meet Glendon and her husband once. It’s true she is a very conservative Catholic, and also very smart.
    Given that we are going to get a conservative nominee, I think it’s really crucial that we get one with some brains and independence, so I agree that she would be a good choice.
    What truly scares me is the thought that we will get an unthinking, not very bright, ideologue.

  6. I was going receive a life time of wearing suits in partial exchange for my immortal soul
    You might be in for a reprieve.
    Koizumi wants Japanese businessmen to dress down this summer, to leave their monochromatic ties and dark jackets at home, to swap their stubborn attachment to the standard suit for something more casual. It’s part of the prime minister’s plan to save energy by using less air conditioning in offices and government buildings, and for that he needs businessmen and bureaucrats to do a bit more cooling down on their own by loosening their collars.
    Perhaps in 15 years, when people realize that peak oil was true, and the Chinese have gotten first dibs on the rest of the oil, they might cut back on those ole suits for the summer. So look on the bright side.

  7. raw story has some excerpts from the new Time/Cooper story.
    anon- Charles has his merits. Sure he writes some terrible posts, but beating up on him is some of the best entertainment on this site.

  8. Charles has his merits. Sure he writes some terrible posts, but beating up on him is some of the best entertainment on this site.
    I consider “good posts” to be equivalent to “merit” and entertainment is far better had elsewhere.
    I’ve been thinking for a while that ObWi would be better without Charles.

  9. Charles’ posts are useful because they’re GOP/RW talking points, and I prefer to glean those here rather than wade into the odiferous bog of RW blogs for them.

  10. Yes, I’ve become a huge fan of loading all the music and hitting shuffle. Snoop > Bach > Stooges > Flatt & Scruggs > King Crimson. The vast Dylan horde seems to belch something forth a bit too often though. If only everyone else had 40 albums…

  11. The Final Cut is indeed pretty damn terrible. Back during Live 8 Atrios or someone thereabouts called it Floyd’s “best album” (if it wasn’t Atrios I apologize to him in advance for the slander), and I was gobsmacked at the notion that this rather tepid glorified solo album is considered tolerable by anybody, much less some sort of masterwork. Yes, yes, nuclear war is bad, I get it, Roger.

  12. I just got banned from the People’s Democratic Republic of RedState for the crime of pointing out that “refute” can mean “to deny the truth of”, and not just “to prove the falsehood of”.
    Apparently the dictionary is full of nasty Democratic Talking Points.

  13. Gromit, let me quote from the RS posting rules:

    Pursuant to the mission statement, this site is explicitly meant to serve as a conservative and Republican community. Postings, comments, etc., contrary to this purpose fall under the rubric of “disruptive behavior” and will result in banning.

    I think that’s more than clear. Stinky libruls keep out. In fact, I expect even moderate GOPers will get a boot in the keister ifin’ they get too uppity.
    The RedStaters obviously prefer to talk amongst themselves.

  14. Chuchundra, I’m not disagreeing with you, but all Gromit did was post the definitions of the word “refute.” No commentary, snarky or otherwise: just two lines from the dictionary.
    Unless the moderator deleted other Gromit posts, that was the *only one.*
    Redstate has achieved the ingrown festering toenail stage of discourse common to all blogs where only one pov is permitted.

  15. Postings, comments, etc., contrary to this purpose fall under the rubric of “disruptive behavior” and will result in banning.
    someone needs to remind me why we’re supposed to take that site and its creator seriously…

  16. Gromit, it doesn’t deserve banning, but I think that’s an evil definition of “refute”. It’s a descriptivist definition and valid to the extent that such definitions are, but “refute” does not mean “rebut” in Platonic English.

  17. Post-Barrett, Ummagumma and Meddle are the best Floyd albums. Everyone knows that.
    How to Fake It
    Rule 2d applies here:”If anyone has heard of it, it’s crap.” As opposed to Rule 2e:”If nobody has heard of it,it’s crap.”

  18. There are plenty of places to see GOP/RW talking points. In fact you can’t get away from them (RWM/MSM!!).
    In the past this has been a nice blog. I don’t mind conservative views but they should be
    based on some facts and rationality.

    CaseyL wrote:
    Charles’ posts are useful because they’re GOP/RW talking points, and I prefer to glean those here rather than wade into the odiferous bog of RW blogs for them.

  19. You’re not the only one who’s noticed the speed and enthusiasm with which Redstate is imploding. They don’t see it that way, of course–they’re trying to create their own little sandbox based on their collective (and internally self-contradictory) vision of what the GOP should be, and they think they’re actually strengthening the site and the party by trimming away those who aren’t on-board with their agenda.
    They have, in a twisted way, succeeded magnificently: Redstate is a very good mirror for the modern Republican Party apparatus. It’s all about message discipline, loyalty, and adherence to the party line. Sure, you’ll occasionally see folks go off the reservation–Tac’s posts about the draft and the scant few people with the decency to object to torture spring to mind. But Tac has the muscle to indulge in a little bit of off-message ranting; the rest get shouted down quickly.
    For all that Redstaters like to crow about being the right wing’s answer to Kos, they have thus far managed to achieve all the negatives associated with DK with precious few of the positives. I, for one, would like to encourage their apparent enthusiasm for alienating Republican moderates and Reagan Democrats.

  20. I, for one, would like to encourage their apparent enthusiasm for alienating Republican moderates and Reagan Democrats.
    You’ve got my vote.

  21. Votermom,
    I’m about to get the Creative Labs MuVo TX 512 MB Digital Audio Player with FM Radio.
    The big reason for me is that you can pull out the jump drive, plug it into your usb port and drag and drop music to it. No extra cables or anything is needed.
    You can also put other day on the drive.
    I keep alot of my music on my ftp site. With this player I can be anywhere, plug into any computer with a usb port and get my music.
    It’s also $89 bucks and I will use it when I exercise.

  22. rilkefan: Gromit, it doesn’t deserve banning, but I think that’s an evil definition of “refute”. It’s a descriptivist definition and valid to the extent that such definitions are, but “refute” does not mean “rebut” in Platonic English.
    In my experience it is common usage, and when someone writes something like “Wilson has refuted those ‘Additional Views’ in a letter to Roberts and Rockefeller” I figure it is safest to assume they are using it in the broadest sense.
    And CaseyL, the admin in question’s ass is probably still chapped from this exchange we had a couple of days ago.
    For the genesis of my comment, start here.
    I’m sure there are still some folks with some scraps of integrity among the group policing comments there, but it’s become increasingly clear that the lunatics are running the asylum on a day-to-day basis. And my take on all this is, of course, that they can ban whomever they want. But I can likewise ridicule them for their obvious lack of intellectual integrity in choosing to ban left-leaning folks who argue in good faith and support their arguments, while keeping right-leaning folks who repeat falsehoods and resort to vicious insults and threats of disciplinary action when challenged, all despite their claim that they have never banned based on ideology.
    It’s at once very funny and kind of sad. I was very pleased to be banned for simply pointing to indisputable reference material, which goes a long way to show just how fact-averse some of the RedStaters are. There was a time when I thought that site actually hosted some good discussion. Now it’s being turned into an ideologically pure echo chamber, and losing its collective grip on reality. It’s also sad because I personally know and respect (though strongly disagree with) one of the founders. I don’t hold him in any way accountable for folks like the one who banned me (nor even another director who wanted to, but clearly didn’t have the backbone) nor would I want to regain access to the site on any basis other than a wholesale reform of their standards for banning commenters. Besides, this is just politics, after all. I just hate to see what he helped create become the RedState of today.
    And Catsy, this comment sums it up pretty well.

  23. Oh, and Catsy, I almost never read DailyKos except when linked, in large part because of the quality of their comments, but also because of the incident in which, if I remember right, Kos banned Mike Krempasky from the site for explicitly ideological reasons. Irony of ironies.

  24. Oh, and Catsy, I almost never read DailyKos except when linked, in large part because of the quality of their comments…
    There are a couple of sites — Eschaton and dKos, primarily — that I’ll read exclusively for the main posts* but won’t come within a country mile of the comment section. The signal-to-noise ratio is just, well, appalling.
    [Interestingly, I don’t feel the same way about the Calpundit/WashMo comment section, even though it’s usually far nastier and far worse, because I’ve been a commenter there long enough that I can gun straight for the worthwhile commenters and ignore everything else. And the worthwhile commenters there have somehow managed to remain genuinely worthwhile; ’tis a wonderment, to be sure.]
    * Note: this should not be taken as a blanket endorsement of said posts, merely that I find them interesting reading.

  25. I shouldn’t be the one to do this but —
    Charles is a good addition to OW… First of all, he tries very hard to submit posts that are pertinent and he does not snipe nor snark more than most here. His posts on Darfur have especially moved me to take (modest) action (emailing friends on the situation, swaying what little public opinion I can).
    And CaseyL, I don’t know if you’ve noticed it but CB has made quite an effort to keep away from some major RW talking points on the most contentious issues, probably out of respect for the audience of OW. If I’m wrong, please correct me but CB has a few pet issues but he is far from abusive or unreasonable.
    So, in asmuch as I have a vote, please don’t call for an end to CB’s posts without a real reason except you think he’s “illogical”. The fact that OW stays at least a few steps away from an echo chamber is why I keep coming back. There’s a reasons CB was chosen to submit posts in the first place.

  26. Atrios’ comments are useless; dKos’ are not. IMO.
    I wasn’t aware that Kos banned someone for ideological reasons – but if that’s the same “krempasky” as on redstate, the one you had the run-in with, are you sure the reasons were ideological and not because krempasky is incapable of playing nicely with others?
    Anyway, for conservative viewpoints, I stick pretty strictly to this site, John Cole, The Moderate Voice, and cunningrealist.

  27. Oh yeah, forget RedState.org… I go there occasionally for kicks but I wouldn’t obsess over their weirdness.

  28. Since this has turned into a meta-discussion on poliblogging…
    I read Atrios for amusing snark and the occasional events when he gets tipped off to things that nobody else has dug up yet. I don’t expect much in the way of substance.
    Billmon, on the other hand, is a national treasure. While his snark-factor is even higher than Atrios, when he writes essays he is incisive and insightful.
    Cole (John, not Juan) used to be a reflexive parrot of RW talking points, but even since he woke up to the fact that the GOP has turned into the party of Dobson and Rove, he’s become much more balanced.
    As for Kos, I largely dropped out of the comment threads well over a year ago. Occasionally I’ll still wade in, but generally only on side-issues–on the big political stuff, it’s just not an efficient use of time to wade through all the left-wing dittos to get to the gems of insight.
    The DK site in general is, however, an amazingly effective advocate for liberal causes, and I’m glad it’s there.

  29. Charles is a good addition to OW… First of all, he tries very hard to submit posts that are pertinent and he does not snipe nor snark more than most here…. CB has a few pet issues but he is far from abusive or unreasonable.
    I’d second heet here. I do appreciate the work Chas does and the fact that he provides lots of links. I wish that he wouldn’t link to himself, but restate/summarize what he is saying; as I mentioned before, looking at the body of work as it appears on Tacitus and Redstate and then taking in the comments skews things because context and audience are so different. I also don’t like the turn to cite Carville and others who Chas feels can comfortably stand in to represent liberal views, as it strikes me as more of a defense in depth rather than actual give and take on the issue. And while I would agree that the snark level is the same, I always feel that Chas’ snark is a bit like finding a piece of glass in a serving of pudding, in that there is often no warning. Of course, Chas might say it is more akin to the finger in the bowl of Wendy’s chili, which was placed there by the person. I imagine the truth is somewhere in between.
    btw, where is the pinch hitter for Edward? Off the wall suggestion would be John Cole.

  30. Not that John Cole is off the wall, or anything, just that he would definitely not be simply filling Edward’s slot.

  31. LJ,

    As long as you’re giving out links of the future of energy, let’s not forget that in 1923 two Germans by the name of Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch invented a process by which coal can be turned into gasoline.

    Which of course isn’t really good when it comes to climate change, so we might be re-thinking suits anyway…

  32. Andrew,
    Cool! I’ll chip in this link, which includes:

    Japan’s efforts to find substitute fuels were frantic (and to a limited extent effective), but entirely inadequate. Until the beginning of the war, the Japanese Navy’s chief source of diesel and bunker fuel was imports from California. This stockpile was exhausted in 1942 and cracked residues form SUmatra and Borneo crudes were then utilized as bunker fuels. In 1944, due to Japanese tanker losses to U.S. submarines, research and practical testing were undertaken on both diesel and boiler fuels to develop substitutes. By the spring of 1945 aircraft carriers were utilized as tankers to bring motor gasoline from Singapore to be used as charging stock in the manufacture of even more desperately needed aviation fuel.
    Satisfactory diesel fuels were produced form coconut oil, hydro cracked; pressed copra oil; esterfied copra oil; and soya bean oil. Pine root oil was used too, but had a tendency to leave gummy deposits in the engine. A determined effort was made to develop an industry for converting coal into oil, but the results were comparatively insignificant. As a matter of fact, the outputs of oil from shale at FUSHAN, until 1944, exceeded the combined output from all coal conversion processes.
    During the last year of the war, the Japanese had considerable success with a program for producing alcohol and using alcoholic aviation fuels. For instance, they were able to produce one pound of ethyl alcohol from the fermentation of eleven pounds of sweet potatoes. This in turn necessitated vital decisions about which varieties of potatoes were best for food and which best fo fuel, and how the two should be apportioned to keep the nation alive to fight.
    By the spring of 1944, the supply of cane sugar and molasses from Formosa, Java, and the Philippines was decreasing and more emphasis was placed on Manchurian grain as a raw material source of ethyl alcohol. Finally, butanol plants were converted to the production of ethyl alcohol. Thus the Japanese were converting rubber into gasoline for war purposes while in America gasoline was being converted into rubber, with the same end in view.

  33. Much rather see Cole as a replacement for Charles. With Sebastian and von posting so little, we need a regular conservative voice on the front page who’s grounded in reality.

  34. Because Bob mentioned Barrett-era and pre-Barrett era Floyd, let me just put on my anti-iconoclastic hat and say that while Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a fantastic Album, it’s just not up to par with Watersy stuff like Meddle, Wish You Were Here, and – yes – Dark Side of the Moon, which is justly the most listened-to Floyd album, since it’s the best.
    (I know much or all of that post was probably a joke in keeping with Something Awful rules, but still.)

  35. M. Christmas, while my knowledge of Pink Floyd is less than comprehensive, I have to say I agree.
    Here’s a free MP3 of the Austin Lounge Lizards covering “Brain Damage” in a way only they could have thought to do so.

  36. Say what you want about Piper at the Gates of Dawn, but I saw Bob Mould’s band Sugar play in London in 1992, and they played “Lucifer Sam” for the final encore. Man, I can still hear it. Great, great song.

  37. That recording of Brain Damage was awesome.
    Personally, I like all of these, for very different reasons (as they’re all quite different, natch):
    DSOTM
    Wish You Were Here
    The Wall
    Meddle
    Animals
    Ummagumma is worth honorable mention, but each of the above is, IMO, much better. If I had to pick a favorite, it’d be Animals.

  38. I volunteer. Other than my ADS, horrible proof reading skills, wise ass tendencies, and marginal computer skills – I’m perfect. With lj keeping my facts straight, jes hitting every opening, and edward facing me from the other end of the teeter totter – it’d be a hoot. Although there isn’t a conservative within miles of left of center the Catsy believes is grounded in reality.

  39. cleek: just for the record: Animals wins, by a hair. it hasn’t suffered 3 decades of overplay like its siblings.
    It helps not to listen to commercial radio. I can remember playing Neil Young’s “Harvest” in the presence of a friend of mine years ago. When “Heart of Gold” came on, he said, in disgust “That’s John Boy and Billy’s (obnoxious syndicated morning radio hosts) favorite song”.
    But “Heart of Gold” is a brilliant song in its own right. It helps not to listen to commercial radio.

  40. My only problem with Neil Young is his voice. Fingernails on blackboards, to my ears. Millions of ’em. The other end of the spectrum bothers me, too: great voice but nothing worth saying.

  41. Although there isn’t a conservative within miles of left of center the Catsy believes is grounded in reality.
    Reading comprehension is your friend. That part where I lament “Sebastian and von posting so little”? Think about it for a minute.

  42. It helps not to listen to commercial radio.
    defeintely. i haven’t done it, where i could help it, for probably ten years. but the damage had already been done – i could go another ten years without ever wanting to hear Dark Side ever again. Animals is one of the few that hasn’t been drained white, for me – i can still play it and find things in it that i’d never noticed before.

  43. Catsy, you’re missing the possibility that blogbudsman considers Sebastian, von, and John Cole to be left of center. After all, they do criticize Bush, so they must be lefties by current definitions.

  44. I was never a big Floyd fan, but of the material I own:
    Piper > The Wall > Wish You Were Here > Meddle > Obscured By Clouds
    I don’t think I can ever listen to DSOTM again. Between the overplaying on commercial radio and the Wizard of Oz nonsense, that album is dead to me. Do you hear? Dead!

  45. just for the record: Animals wins, by a hair. it hasn’t suffered 3 decades of overplay like its siblings.
    Meddle has been overplayed? (For the record, Meddle is my favorite Floyd album.)
    SFAIC (C = concerned), convincing cases can be made for DSOTM (it’s overplayed for a reason), Animals, and/or WYWH as the top PF album. PATGOD and Meddle are brilliant in many respects, but don’t have that extra, undefinable oompth.
    BTW, a convincing case can also be made that acronyms can overdone. In certain circumstances.
    von
    p.s. I, for one, think Bird does a tremendous job, and am happy to have him as a co-blogger. Let’s quit the sniping.

  46. Catsy, you’re missing the possibility that blogbudsman considers Sebastian, von, and John Cole to be left of center.
    Anyone who considers those three to be left of center is simply too willfully ignorant to be taken seriously ever again. I’ve frequently said that I have great respect for the aforementioned posters. That does not mean I agree with them more than one issue out of ten on average.

  47. I, for one, think Bird does a tremendous job
    Yes, but tremendously what?
    Alright, I’m done. Just couldn’t pass up the straight line.

  48. BTW, I think Meddle, the song, is outstanding, but the rest of the album doesn’t rise to the level of Animals, IMNSHO.
    You mean “Echoes,” right? (That’s the 23+ minute song that closes the album.)
    On Animals: I recognize that it’s genius — even, possibly, PF’s best record — but I do find it a bit hard to enjoy.

  49. I’m not in favor of booting Charles off the front page, either. His posts keep the liberals here sharp.

  50. Meddle has been overplayed?
    i suppose i should say that, for whatever reason, for me Pink Floyd starts at Dark Side.
    it’s as if two other bands with the same name existed before Dark Side (one with Barrett and one without) but they disappeared the day Dark Side came out. so, Animals’ siblings are Dark Side and everything that follows – up until that fourth Pink Floyd started putting out records, in 87. but we won’t talk about them.
    what can i say, all that old Pink Floyd stuff came out before I could even talk.

  51. Crap. Yes, von, of course.
    Cleek, the pre-DSOTM Floyd had some post-DSOTM Floyd bits in it. That said, I’ll agree that there was a difference: pre-DSOTM Floyd had some folksy-sounding tunes in the mix along with the epic, whole-side songs, where the post-DSTOM Floyd pretty much dispensed with the folksy bits and added a great deal more biting cynicism to the lengthy themes. Culminating, as far as I’m concerned, with The Wall.

  52. Interesting comments about how commercial radio can leach the joy out of undeniably great music – I haven’t really listened to commercial radio in ten years, and I hadn’t listened to DSOTM in about as long. So I happened to pull it down a couple of months ago, and what can I say? That’s a goddamn gorgeous record.

  53. I’ve got it on either Japanese or English vinyl, either one of which kicks the absolute crap out of American mass-market pressings. The heartbeat at the beginning is just amazing.

  54. do i smell an audiophile ?

    Ah, no. Let’s just say that my life has other priorities. A decent pressing always, in my admittedly limited experience, kicks the ass of mass-market pressings, though, even through a decidedly non-audiophile system.
    My first decent system was a Sanyo Plus Series integrated amp (50W RMS continuous; very clean, very cheap), a Kenwood turntable with Grado F3E+ cartridge, and Avid Audio speakers. Aiwa tape deck, too. I think the whole system set me back a lot less than a grand (the most expensive part was the tape deck, IIRC) back in the early ’80s. The difference in sound quality on discs like DSOTM and Genesis’ The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and Selling England By The Pound is startling. Even The Eagles’ Hotel California is dramatically better sound quality.
    We’re not talking imaging, here. We’re talking reproduction of the source material. Audiophiles listen to stuff on the basis of how well it shows off the capabilities of their system, and not so much because it’s musically interesting.
    I’ve heard some decent audiophile systems, and if you’re not currently a tweaker, be prepared for shock. First shock is the fraction of your budget that ought to be allocated to interconnects.

  55. If you’re just looking for something that does decent sound reproduction…
    i’m just looking for a way to drive three separate sets of speakers from an amp with only A/B outputs πŸ™‚
    we’ve got a pair of speakers on the back porch that are using the B line. but we want to put another set on there somehow, without blowing the amp. oh, and we need a carpenter who’s not afraid to drill holes in the existing walls, regardless of how many horizontal 2x4s he might find.

  56. i’m just looking for a way to drive three separate sets of speakers from an amp with only A/B outputs πŸ™‚

    From what amplifier? You should be looking at rated impedance of the speakers and comparing that with the amplifier’s limitations. Some amps can handle 2-ohm loads, and if your speakers are nominally 8 ohms, you might be ok driving them in parallel from most amplifiers. If you don’t know much about how impedance works, two equal impedances in parallel cut the net impedance in half; in series it doubles. Theoretically, I suppose, you could run the “B” channel additional pair in series with the existing pair: plus wire goes from amp to speaker B1 (right) plus terminal, minus wire from B1 (right) negative terminal goes to B2 (right) plus terminal, negative wire goes from B2 (right) minus terminal back to amp B2 negative terminal. It’s better to err on the side of too high an impedance, because if you make a mistake in the other direction you might blow out your amplifier. Basically, as impedance goes down, the speaker load looks more and more like a dead short.
    As a for instance. Some amps do well with low-impedance loads; it just depends on the design. Some car stereo amps are designed to deliver into 2 ohm (or less) loads. Why? Because an amplifier that can deliver peak signal voltage Vx into an arbitrary load will deliver infinite power into a dead short. If, say, this mythical amplifier can deliver 100 Watts into an 8-ohm load, it will deliver 200 Watts into a 4-ohm load, and 400 Watts into a 2-ohm load.
    In short, you’re going to need some information before you decide which way (parallel or series) is best. Parallel, you get a lower volume level than series for the same volume-knob position.

  57. Catsy take a look at my life I’m a lot like you
    I need someone to love me the whole day through
    Ah, one look in my eyes and you can tell that’s true.

  58. From what amplifier?
    it’s a new mid-line Sony A/V thing (don’t remember the model number). Best Buy special, nothing too fancy.
    the current pair of ‘B’ speakers is on a wall-mounted volume control, and i’d want another volume control for the new set. don’t know if that figures into the impedence issue or not.
    guess i need to get someone over to take a look at the actual setup. πŸ™‚

  59. You might check into one of these, if you don’t already have one. Prime feature:

    A universal impedance magnifying circuit enables the VCS 100 to act as both a stereo and an impedance magnifying volume control. You can magnify the speakers’ impedance by a factor of two, four, or eight, allowing you to connect up to eight pairs of speakers to a single amplifier or receiver.

  60. You might check into one of these
    sounds like what’s in my wall now – at least what i can tell from the user side of it (a single white knob with stepped volume levels).
    it’d be sweet if we could just slap another one of them on the B wires (assuming we can find a carpenter to drill the holes, of course)
    cross my fingers.

  61. You sure you want to drill
    it’s not a long distance between the two rooms, as the cat flees, but there’s nothing but hardwood floors between them. to keep from having to cross the floor, i’d have to go around the entire perimeter of two rooms, all the way down the front hallway and across the front door… i’m not sure i could get permission from the Mrs to string wires, even flat ones, along that much baseboard moulding.
    i wish we’d found the house before the walls were up.

  62. “Piper > The Wall > Wish You Were Here > Meddle > Obscured By Clouds”
    Bought Atom Heart Mother the day it hit the stores. Barely know Animals. WYWH is simply beautiful music.
    No votes so far for Ummagumma, which was Floyd’s best seller til DSOTM. First half rocks, man. Those guys cooked, were loud, hard, and tight. Part of PF’s appeal during the peak years was their concision and precision. No Dead meanderings or Clapton indulgences, they knew what they were going to do to when they hit the stage. With different musical objectives, the Ummagumma live set is as tight as Little Feat.
    Piper is a monster album. I was a little young for the true psych era, and only grew to love it in the last couple decades. A combination of freedom, experimentation and an actual innocence that we can no longer even imagine.
    Pet Sounds(yes, a lot of psych was pretty quiet), Sgt Pepper, Piper, Forever Changes, Astral Weeks were made by Martians.

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