At 87% reporting, it may very well be that Cynthia McKinney will be the Democratic nominee for GA’s 4th District. Which means, given the way every damn district has been gerrymandered to a fare-thee-well, that she probably will actually win. Dammit, I was looking forward to decades of an America where Cynthia McKinney enjoyed no position of trust and authority. I feel cheated.
Stop snickering, my loyal Democratic readers; Senator Kerry’s going to have to campaign with her when he’s in Georgia…
Senator Kerry’s going to have to campaign with her when he’s in Georgia…
Simply put, it won’t happen, even Kerry isn’t that stupid. Maybe Edwards will campaign with her but Kerry won’t touch her with a ten ft pole.
Snicker? Not only would I be disgusted at McKinney returning to office, I’d be disgusted if she simply got the nomination. Hell, I’m disgusted that she’d poll well. Hell, I’m disgusted to see her name again….
But, yeah, I agree with Timmy; Kerry campaigning with her seems entirely unlikely. She’s a one-woman Democratic wedge issue.
I think you’re worried about nothing – Read the report:
The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney
How the New York Times, NPR and others drove a U.S. congresswoman out of office based on a quote that was never uttered.
Persimmon: I think you’re worried about nothing
It depends what you think Moe’s worried about.
Cynthia McKinney was railroaded. I think she is a very responsible congresswoman. Sure, she’s liberal, but so are her constituents. Heck, I won’t hold that against her. Her hand has never been caught in the cookie jar, that I know of. Her primary interest is in trying to keep business and government honest. Who’s against that? I say good luck to Cynthia McKinney. Hope you make it back to congress.
I don’t get it, what’s your problem with McKinney? She seems like a wonderful, principled person to me.
eh, I take it all back, Cynthia McKinney should give the nominating speech for Kerry.
Sha.
Not an utter loony, eh? I guess that’s more indicative of a difference in standards, than of a lack of understanding of the facts.
435 Congressional districts. I’m guessing that means that there’s about a 0.23% chance, assuming even commenter distribution, that any of us live in Georgia’s 4th district.
What happened with Cynthia again? She was convicted of running guns to the Taliban? Ran over 6 children in her killdozer? I would issue a stronger condemnation of her, but my state is responsible for Senator John Cornyn and Rep. Tom DeLay, and I wouldn’t want to be accused of hypocrisy.
What happened with Cynthia again? She was convicted of running guns to the Taliban? Ran over 6 children in her killdozer?
She is supposed to have said something extremely critical of George W. Bush with regard to September 11 (that President Bush might have known about the September 11 attacks but did nothing so his supporters could make money in a war).
The fact that none of her detractors are able to source a quote to her, saying anything close to the above, is apparently irrelevant: when enough people are shooting at you for having criticized George W. Bush, it doesn’t matter whether or not she actually said it.
Greg Palast, I suspect, has the truth of it: she’s an “uppity woman” and, worse, she’s black. That’s enough to make many Republicans think the worse of her, and enough for them to raise a mudstorm that will cause non-racist, non-sexist Republicans like Moe to assume that there’s no mud without some truth. Sad but true.
OK, so I missed most of the story about Ms. McKinney the first time. The Greg Palast article linked by Persimmon seems to present a pretty strong case that she was railroaded based on a quote she didn’t utter. Is there another side to this? Does someone have a link to a source which rebuts Mr. Palast’s statements? Or is there some other, unrelated gripe that Moe has with Ms. McKinney? Moe? Anyone?
I guess this thing isn’t on, after all.
“Her primary interest is in trying to keep business and government honest.”
And, along the way, watch out for the Jews.
I thought that was only her dad doing that, Gary.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0829-08.htm
http://www.atljewishtimes.com/archives/1999/110599cs.htm
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/talking_politics/documents/02664242.htm
http://blackpressusa.com/op-ed/Speaker.asp?NewsID=2525
HTH!
Great defense, by the way, Jes, against a charge no one here even thought worth making before you brought it up. It certainly wasn’t what I had in mind.
Gary – your cites aren’t convincing. I learned that McKinney’s father once refered to somebody as a “racist jew”. I learned that the Black Press was just as wrong about McKinney’s quote as the mainstream press. There’s nothing there that gets me into her head.
And Slarti’s quote doesn’t do it for me either. For one thing a quote without a context is meaningless. I mean, Bush and his friends did benefit from 911. Slarti must be implying that McKinney is suggesting a motive for Bush to be a part of the 911 conspiracy. Maybe, but without more context we don’t know what she was really saying. The woman has a Phd in diplomacy. She’s not entirely stupid. Her constituency is probably way different than the ones most of us are part of. They probably understand her better than we do.
“Maybe, but without more context we don’t know what she was really saying. The woman has a Phd in diplomacy. She’s not entirely stupid. Her constituency is probably way different than the ones most of us are part of. They probably understand her better than we do.”
McKinney taken out of context. Someone call Michael Moore.
I notice also that there is an assumption that a PhD in diplomacy makes one diplomatic.
“Her constituency is probably way different than the ones most of us are part of. They probably understand her better than we do.”
Ah, and I take it, based upon this, that you would say the same of Tom DeLay?
Gary – Rep. Delay came to mind as I typed that passage. I resisted the urge to invoke him because its impossible to establish equivolency between people of unequal power. I admit that McKinley doesn’t always represent my thinking but Congress is big and can and should make room for a wide variety of viewpoints, even Delay’s. My problen with Delay is not his politics (though, it is) but the amount of power he can bring to bare to pursue them.
I notice also that there is an assumption that a PhD in diplomacy makes one diplomatic.
I wasn’t going for that but one would hope that the good Dr. could make use of some of her knowledge. I was simply stating her bonafides.
Of course, Gary, with the minor difference that Tom DeLay actually had a significant hand in creating his own personal Congressional district full of people predestined to understand him.
Of course, if I were a voter in a heavily gerrymandered district with only nominal two-party competition, I might not feel that much complicity in returning his corrupt ass to Congress.
“My problen with Delay is not his politics (though, it is) but the amount of power he can bring to bare to pursue them.”
So you’re saying you’re fine with Cynthia McKinney in Congress only so long as she has no power, then?
Jeebus, Gary, your kung fu is very strong. Yes, I’m saying that, yes (I break down under the hot lights and weep). That said, I do appreciate her efforts in trying to keep the profit motive out of government. It’s a thankless and futile task but admirable, nonetheless.
“Of course, if I were a voter in a heavily gerrymandered district with only nominal two-party competition….”
Like well over 80% of House seats, you mean? (This is, I believe, the single greatest problem of our political system, as I’ve written about on various occasions.)
Gary: Great defense, by the way, Jes, against a charge no one here even thought worth making before you brought it up.
Huh? At this point I am beginning to wonder just what Cynthia McKinney is being charged with. No one appears to be sure, not even the people making the charges. (How do you know it’s not what Moe Lane had in mind, btw?.)
It certainly wasn’t what I had in mind.
Nope, you seem to have a different unsourced charge against her.
“That’s enough to make many Republicans think the worse of her, and enough for them to raise a mudstorm that will cause non-racist, non-sexist Republicans like Moe to assume that there’s no mud without some truth. Sad but true.”
Thank you for telling me my actual motives: all this time I thought that my severe dislike for Cynthia McKinney began when she sucked up to Prince Bandar’s $10 million after Rudy told him to stick it right next to Bandar’s helpful suggestions about our Israeli policy, and generally continued because, well, she’s obnoxious. But, no, I must be instead in the thrall of those evvvvillll racists.
Congratulations, Jesurgislac, you’ve finally managed to piss me off. You are not a telepath, and you do not have the right to act like one here; pull something like this again and I will ban you.
Moe
Excuse me: Prince bin Talal. This is why I dislike getting angry.
“Nope, you seem to have a different unsourced charge against her.”
Yes, clearly when I cite four articles, I am not giving a source.
But, then, Jes, I don’t know why I should bother to interact with you, given that you made a false statement about me in this thread, and repeatedly refused to respond to polite requests that you either support it or withdraw it, as can be seen at the end of that thread.
If you’re the sort of person who will neither support nor withdraw statements about other people, why should I bother communicating with you? (This is not a rhetorical question, and it is entirely easy for your to resolve this.)