by Ugh
There is too much sh1t goin' on. Can we go back to the good old days of no drama? Pls thx bai?
Whatever.
Go Sox, tho' I wouldn't mind a Brewers World Series victory (wait, did I just talk about baseball? Don't tell the Count).
If Dems take the House you will see a lame duck session the likes of which even god has never seen. Deliberation over judicial nominations? we don't need no stinkin' deliberation over judicial nominations. But that's the Senate so what do I know?
The Senate should be abolished, BTW.
Also, Dear MSM, Trump lies.
Open thread.
I hoid dat.
All that’s left is trying on the glove. One glove, so many hands.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/10/khashoggi-coverup-story-still-in-progress/
One size fits every fucking murderous conservative on this planet.
Ryan seems to be auditioning for Kato Kailin’s role. Perhaps he’ll take the opportunity to hype his new line of tax cheating lounge wear.
McConnell is Al Cowling at the wheel of the Bronco with mp and bin Salman in the backseat, heading for Mexi ……
… wait a second, just when the republican murderers need a border to cross, a wall appears.
The Constitution, like Nicole Simpson’s nearly severed head, hangs on by a mere bullshit strand of viscera.
I hoid dat.
All that’s left is trying on the glove. One glove, so many hands.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/10/khashoggi-coverup-story-still-in-progress/
One size fits every fucking murderous conservative on this planet.
Ryan seems to be auditioning for Kato Kailin’s role. Perhaps he’ll take the opportunity to hype his new line of tax cheating lounge wear.
McConnell is Al Cowling at the wheel of the Bronco with mp and bin Salman in the backseat, heading for Mexi ……
… wait a second, just when the republican murderers need a border to cross, a wall appears.
The Constitution, like Nicole Simpson’s nearly severed head, hangs on by a mere bullshit strand of viscera.
“Can we go back to the good old days of no drama?”
When the epitaph of western civilization is written, any day now, it will include:
“Killed by Reality TV”
There will be no Survivor.
“Can we go back to the good old days of no drama?”
When the epitaph of western civilization is written, any day now, it will include:
“Killed by Reality TV”
There will be no Survivor.
There will be no Survivor.
Killed by the Dread Pirate Roberts?
There will be no Survivor.
Killed by the Dread Pirate Roberts?
When the epitaph of western civilization is written, any day now, it will include:
“Killed by Reality TV”
Nah. Like the fall of most civilizations:
killed by (massive) incompetence at governing.
McConnell, like Gingrich before him, is good at power plays. But doesn’t seem to have a clue about, or an interest in, what it takes to actually run the country. (Trump being even worse. But he makes no pretense in being interested in anything except a) getting more money for himself, and b) getting adulation from everybody he comes in contact with.)
When the epitaph of western civilization is written, any day now, it will include:
“Killed by Reality TV”
Nah. Like the fall of most civilizations:
killed by (massive) incompetence at governing.
McConnell, like Gingrich before him, is good at power plays. But doesn’t seem to have a clue about, or an interest in, what it takes to actually run the country. (Trump being even worse. But he makes no pretense in being interested in anything except a) getting more money for himself, and b) getting adulation from everybody he comes in contact with.)
McConnell, like Gingrich before him, is good at power plays. But doesn’t seem to have a clue about, or an interest in, what it takes to actually run the country.
I agree.
They don’t even seem to be trying, just playing partisan games and trying to shovel as much money as possible at their big donors – not even their supporters (see trade policy).
The grass roots get their feelings massaged, and the rich guys get richer. It’s a giant scam.
Sort of reminds of Jim Crow. Racism was promoted, in part, by business to deter poor whites from allying with blacks in the interest of things like unionizing, voting for more worker-friendly politicians, and so on. As long as you told the whites they were superior in some way, and shouldn’t associate with the n*****s, you could divide and conquer.
McConnell, like Gingrich before him, is good at power plays. But doesn’t seem to have a clue about, or an interest in, what it takes to actually run the country.
I agree.
They don’t even seem to be trying, just playing partisan games and trying to shovel as much money as possible at their big donors – not even their supporters (see trade policy).
The grass roots get their feelings massaged, and the rich guys get richer. It’s a giant scam.
Sort of reminds of Jim Crow. Racism was promoted, in part, by business to deter poor whites from allying with blacks in the interest of things like unionizing, voting for more worker-friendly politicians, and so on. As long as you told the whites they were superior in some way, and shouldn’t associate with the n*****s, you could divide and conquer.
Open thread, so briefly back to the Banksy stunt: I was glad to see that the original intention was to shred the whole thing, rather than create a more valuable piece of art, and that Sothebys weren’t in on it. It restores my faith that Banksy is at least sincere…
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/banksy-girl-with-balloon-shredding-video-youtube_us_5bc83751e4b0a8f17ee94a8b
Open thread, so briefly back to the Banksy stunt: I was glad to see that the original intention was to shred the whole thing, rather than create a more valuable piece of art, and that Sothebys weren’t in on it. It restores my faith that Banksy is at least sincere…
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/banksy-girl-with-balloon-shredding-video-youtube_us_5bc83751e4b0a8f17ee94a8b
Was it ?
Or is that just Banksy PR ?
Was it ?
Or is that just Banksy PR ?
I get (more or less) wj’s position on the GOP, but this is just… bizarre:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-cant-make-me-leave-gop/573259/
I get (more or less) wj’s position on the GOP, but this is just… bizarre:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-cant-make-me-leave-gop/573259/
i made it as far as “For me, the Kavanaugh story had nothing to do with Trump. It had to do with vengeful Democrats…”
i made it as far as “For me, the Kavanaugh story had nothing to do with Trump. It had to do with vengeful Democrats…”
I think that might be what counts for reaching across the aisle, from the Republican side.
I think that might be what counts for reaching across the aisle, from the Republican side.
reaching across the aisle, with middle finger extended.
bring it closer, daddy’s got a brand new bone saw.
reaching across the aisle, with middle finger extended.
bring it closer, daddy’s got a brand new bone saw.
I wait for the excuse that it was actually a bane sow (a pig to be ritually stoned, a variant of the traditional scapegoat).
I wait for the excuse that it was actually a bane sow (a pig to be ritually stoned, a variant of the traditional scapegoat).
Caruso’s piece doesn’t bug me. If the (R)’s are what floats his boat, have at it.
I keep hearing about this crop of young (R)’s who are all about making the economy work for working people, and who are eager to leave the dog-whistle racism and whores-to-corporate-power bullshit behind.
Caruso seems to be some aspirational version of one of those folks.
Sounds great. Sounds like your average (D).
I can believe in Caruso’s sincerity. I have absolutely zero trust that anything he or people like him will come up with will produce the result he thinks it will.
I been hearing the same song for my entire adult life.
Show me the goods, and I’ll take you seriously, Caruso.
Caruso’s piece doesn’t bug me. If the (R)’s are what floats his boat, have at it.
I keep hearing about this crop of young (R)’s who are all about making the economy work for working people, and who are eager to leave the dog-whistle racism and whores-to-corporate-power bullshit behind.
Caruso seems to be some aspirational version of one of those folks.
Sounds great. Sounds like your average (D).
I can believe in Caruso’s sincerity. I have absolutely zero trust that anything he or people like him will come up with will produce the result he thinks it will.
I been hearing the same song for my entire adult life.
Show me the goods, and I’ll take you seriously, Caruso.
Russell,
I keep hearing about this crop of young (R)’s who are all about making the economy work for working people, and who are eager to leave the dog-whistle racism and whores-to-corporate-power bullshit behind.
Me too. Yet their ideas don’t seem particularly Republican or conservative. They might make a lot more progress if they became Democrats and advocated for their preferred policies within that party.
As for Caruso,
I supported the GOP health-care plan. I supported the GOP tax-cut package. I supported moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
What health-care package? And why? And why again? He doesn’t sound much like someone worth taking seriously.
Russell,
I keep hearing about this crop of young (R)’s who are all about making the economy work for working people, and who are eager to leave the dog-whistle racism and whores-to-corporate-power bullshit behind.
Me too. Yet their ideas don’t seem particularly Republican or conservative. They might make a lot more progress if they became Democrats and advocated for their preferred policies within that party.
As for Caruso,
I supported the GOP health-care plan. I supported the GOP tax-cut package. I supported moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
What health-care package? And why? And why again? He doesn’t sound much like someone worth taking seriously.
Basically:
Leading off with “I rejected the idea that government is best at solving problems” without at least being clear about what “problems” you are talking about is, to me, a signal that you have not put a lot of careful thought into your point of view.
Should I paint my house blue?
Should I wear the sandals or the flats?
Surf or turf?
Caruso, I’m with you. Not a problem government will help you with.
Everybody already knows my long long long list of places where government actually can play a constructive role. So I’ll just leave it at that.
Basically:
Leading off with “I rejected the idea that government is best at solving problems” without at least being clear about what “problems” you are talking about is, to me, a signal that you have not put a lot of careful thought into your point of view.
Should I paint my house blue?
Should I wear the sandals or the flats?
Surf or turf?
Caruso, I’m with you. Not a problem government will help you with.
Everybody already knows my long long long list of places where government actually can play a constructive role. So I’ll just leave it at that.
Everybody already knows my long long long list of places where government actually can play a constructive role. So I’ll just leave it at that.
Not to mention the places where government has a necessary role — as in, without it, the problems cannot be solved at all.
Everybody already knows my long long long list of places where government actually can play a constructive role. So I’ll just leave it at that.
Not to mention the places where government has a necessary role — as in, without it, the problems cannot be solved at all.
It seems like the lying usual suspects are working on defaming Khashoggi.
Folks, they will be doing this to their political opponents here soon. They think this is all fine.
People object to the word Nazi. Okay, but find a word for them that evokes the same visceral response. Because these people are dangerous scum.
It seems like the lying usual suspects are working on defaming Khashoggi.
Folks, they will be doing this to their political opponents here soon. They think this is all fine.
People object to the word Nazi. Okay, but find a word for them that evokes the same visceral response. Because these people are dangerous scum.
What health-care package? And why? And why again? He doesn’t sound much like someone worth taking seriously.
the latest GOP gambit is to pretend they had a real plan that was killed by the perfidious Dems.
it’s not like lying to their drooling idiot base has any consequences. so why stop now?
What health-care package? And why? And why again? He doesn’t sound much like someone worth taking seriously.
the latest GOP gambit is to pretend they had a real plan that was killed by the perfidious Dems.
it’s not like lying to their drooling idiot base has any consequences. so why stop now?
People object to the word Nazi. Okay, but find a word for them that evokes the same visceral response.
Might piss ’em off more to be compared to the communists. Who, after all, used the same Big Lie technique.
People object to the word Nazi. Okay, but find a word for them that evokes the same visceral response.
Might piss ’em off more to be compared to the communists. Who, after all, used the same Big Lie technique.
Jay Caruso, just another persuadable Republican, right? Hahahahahaha!!!
His positions on the issues are poison right down the line. So he can go take a flying leap. I am gobsmacked the Atlantic would give this standard issue reactionary a platform. That was truly deplorable, for the essay revealed a person with absolutely no intellectual depth or introspection.
He wrote (yes, true story!) the following:
For me, the Kavanaugh story had nothing to do with Trump. It had to do with vengeful Democrats, hell-bent on doing all they could to stop Kavanaugh from getting confirmed in the hope that if they gained control of the Senate, they could keep the seat of retired Justice Anthony Kennedy vacant until after the 2020 election.
Man, that’s hard to believe. Did I mention Merrick Garland?
With a few quibbles, I would agree, and see nothing at all wrong with Dems doing all in their feeble power to stop Kavanaugh from ascending to the Supreme Court.
Because that asshole has no business being there.
So what’s the big deal?
Jay Caruso, just another persuadable Republican, right? Hahahahahaha!!!
His positions on the issues are poison right down the line. So he can go take a flying leap. I am gobsmacked the Atlantic would give this standard issue reactionary a platform. That was truly deplorable, for the essay revealed a person with absolutely no intellectual depth or introspection.
He wrote (yes, true story!) the following:
For me, the Kavanaugh story had nothing to do with Trump. It had to do with vengeful Democrats, hell-bent on doing all they could to stop Kavanaugh from getting confirmed in the hope that if they gained control of the Senate, they could keep the seat of retired Justice Anthony Kennedy vacant until after the 2020 election.
Man, that’s hard to believe. Did I mention Merrick Garland?
With a few quibbles, I would agree, and see nothing at all wrong with Dems doing all in their feeble power to stop Kavanaugh from ascending to the Supreme Court.
Because that asshole has no business being there.
So what’s the big deal?
Was that Caruso piece lifted verbatim from The Onion? Was Banksy involved? It was a parody.
Was that Caruso piece lifted verbatim from The Onion? Was Banksy involved? It was a parody.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-lauds-feral-congressman-for-body-slamming-reporter
Shoot to kill.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-lauds-feral-congressman-for-body-slamming-reporter
Shoot to kill.
Killed by Reality TV https://www.famouspeoplequote.com/famous-quotes/
Killed by Reality TV https://www.famouspeoplequote.com/famous-quotes/
I am gobsmacked the Atlantic would give this standard issue reactionary a platform
RedState is a sort of conservative pundit farm team. Perhaps due to the absence of better alternatives.
Want an old guy (and yeah, it’ll be a guy)? Call Heritage or Cato.
Want somebody loud? Call Fox.
Want to know what the ‘next generation conservative youth’ are up to? Call RedState.
They are the young conservatives you can bring out in polite company. No armbands, no fashionable Nazi haircuts, no tiki torches.
They used to have a thing for getting their noms de blog from the patristic fathers, but it seems like they’ve gotten over that.
I am gobsmacked the Atlantic would give this standard issue reactionary a platform
RedState is a sort of conservative pundit farm team. Perhaps due to the absence of better alternatives.
Want an old guy (and yeah, it’ll be a guy)? Call Heritage or Cato.
Want somebody loud? Call Fox.
Want to know what the ‘next generation conservative youth’ are up to? Call RedState.
They are the young conservatives you can bring out in polite company. No armbands, no fashionable Nazi haircuts, no tiki torches.
They used to have a thing for getting their noms de blog from the patristic fathers, but it seems like they’ve gotten over that.
We’re weighing six or seven lies regarding Khashoggi’s butchering:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/saudis-weigh-using-scapegoat
The murderer who ordered the hit suggests a whopper AND asks: “bin Salman? Never hoid of him.”
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-allies-start-insidiously-hinting-that-khashoggi-was-tied-to-terrorists
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire
Get me everything you have on this and then kill the story and those gathering it:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/corker-there-has-been-a-clampdown-by-admin-on-intelligence-regarding-khashoggi
We’re weighing six or seven lies regarding Khashoggi’s butchering:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/saudis-weigh-using-scapegoat
The murderer who ordered the hit suggests a whopper AND asks: “bin Salman? Never hoid of him.”
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-allies-start-insidiously-hinting-that-khashoggi-was-tied-to-terrorists
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire
Get me everything you have on this and then kill the story and those gathering it:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/corker-there-has-been-a-clampdown-by-admin-on-intelligence-regarding-khashoggi
Nikki Haley jokes that she was spit-roasted fore and aft rapey style by both Captain John Smith AND and crews of the Nina, the Pinta, and the USS Ron Jeremy, and liked it.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/nikki-trump-asked-warren-same-tribe
Says SHE was the Stormy Daniels of the early settler era and Pocawhatshervagina resisted those early American immigrant big swinging dicks because the latter was the nagging prude of the tribe and was afraid of the European cornucopia of poxes disembarking on to the continent.
mp claims herpes and gonorrhea were the Vietcong he battled in his early life but admits his night with Niki Haley was everything a Tet Offensive could be.
When Haley was asked about that hook up, she smiled coyly and said “Me Lay, You End.”
Nikki Haley jokes that she was spit-roasted fore and aft rapey style by both Captain John Smith AND and crews of the Nina, the Pinta, and the USS Ron Jeremy, and liked it.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/nikki-trump-asked-warren-same-tribe
Says SHE was the Stormy Daniels of the early settler era and Pocawhatshervagina resisted those early American immigrant big swinging dicks because the latter was the nagging prude of the tribe and was afraid of the European cornucopia of poxes disembarking on to the continent.
mp claims herpes and gonorrhea were the Vietcong he battled in his early life but admits his night with Niki Haley was everything a Tet Offensive could be.
When Haley was asked about that hook up, she smiled coyly and said “Me Lay, You End.”
Episode 2 of the hit reality show, “Shit Show”:
500 assassins take position across the United States of America and terminate the subhuman alien virus infecting the country.
It has a laugh track.
A few of the vermin survive in their coastal flood zones and star in a spinoff series called “The Rancid Leftovers”.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/10/will-republican-conference-help-trump-try-cover-saudi-torture-killing
When the Shit Show’s host, Franklin Benjamins, is asked: “What have you wrought?”, he answers, “He who kills the enemy gets to keep the Republic.”
A lone mp afficianado, from the safe hidey hole in his mother’s basement, reties his blood-stained bathrobe and responds: “What about the washer and the dryer behind Door #3? That’s all I was playing for.”
Episode 2 of the hit reality show, “Shit Show”:
500 assassins take position across the United States of America and terminate the subhuman alien virus infecting the country.
It has a laugh track.
A few of the vermin survive in their coastal flood zones and star in a spinoff series called “The Rancid Leftovers”.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/10/will-republican-conference-help-trump-try-cover-saudi-torture-killing
When the Shit Show’s host, Franklin Benjamins, is asked: “What have you wrought?”, he answers, “He who kills the enemy gets to keep the Republic.”
A lone mp afficianado, from the safe hidey hole in his mother’s basement, reties his blood-stained bathrobe and responds: “What about the washer and the dryer behind Door #3? That’s all I was playing for.”
Also, Dear MSM, Trump lies.
Meanwhile, this:
All you have to note is the url to see where this fever fantasy comes from. Then there’s real life, where Clickbait brings a congressman who pleaded guilty of assault on a journalist onto the stage and praises him as a great guy.
What I don’t get is why the MSM and even the non-MS M isn’t forming an implacable, impenetrable wall of resistance against this guy who celebrates people who assault them and is going to do jack about people who murder them.
And note the playbook: a guy gets killed, apparently after being ambushed and tortured, and before being dismembered. Then the R party starts a smear campaign to make sure we know he was a bad guy, and therefore it doesn’t matter.
This is why we are down the tubes. Some of us still have this innocent fantasy that wrongs will be uncovered, then righted. Instead, wrongs are reframed as rights, and the wronged are reframed as evil. And this game keeps working on enough people…..plus tax cuts.
Also, Dear MSM, Trump lies.
Meanwhile, this:
All you have to note is the url to see where this fever fantasy comes from. Then there’s real life, where Clickbait brings a congressman who pleaded guilty of assault on a journalist onto the stage and praises him as a great guy.
What I don’t get is why the MSM and even the non-MS M isn’t forming an implacable, impenetrable wall of resistance against this guy who celebrates people who assault them and is going to do jack about people who murder them.
And note the playbook: a guy gets killed, apparently after being ambushed and tortured, and before being dismembered. Then the R party starts a smear campaign to make sure we know he was a bad guy, and therefore it doesn’t matter.
This is why we are down the tubes. Some of us still have this innocent fantasy that wrongs will be uncovered, then righted. Instead, wrongs are reframed as rights, and the wronged are reframed as evil. And this game keeps working on enough people…..plus tax cuts.
And don’t imagine that Congress is going to do anything about it either.
And don’t imagine that Congress is going to do anything about it either.
A link for the Gianforte bit.
A link for the Gianforte bit.
Meanwhile, this:
the Federalist exists to serve as a lower bound for “conservative” stupidity.
Meanwhile, this:
the Federalist exists to serve as a lower bound for “conservative” stupidity.
Gianforte was Trayvon Martin in white drag and should have been gut shot by that reporter.
I’ve always thought mp’s and the republican party’s Sharia Law demagoguery was merely a case of tiny penis envy:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-got-elected-bashing-sharia-law-now-hes-in-bed-with-its-lethal-champion?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning
Fuck off, conservatives.
You clean up this mess you fucking created or you are the mess that will be cleaned up.
Fuck off.
Gianforte was Trayvon Martin in white drag and should have been gut shot by that reporter.
I’ve always thought mp’s and the republican party’s Sharia Law demagoguery was merely a case of tiny penis envy:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-got-elected-bashing-sharia-law-now-hes-in-bed-with-its-lethal-champion?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning
Fuck off, conservatives.
You clean up this mess you fucking created or you are the mess that will be cleaned up.
Fuck off.
Another piece of hypocrisy from Collins’ Kavanaugh confirmation speech:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/412178-conservatives-bankrolled-and-dominated-kavanaugh-confirmation-media
Another piece of hypocrisy from Collins’ Kavanaugh confirmation speech:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/412178-conservatives-bankrolled-and-dominated-kavanaugh-confirmation-media
Per the post: I hope the Dems win the House barely, this precludes the otherwise inevitable civil war.
I want a rematch of the 1916 World Series where Babe Ruth pitched 13 innings in game 2 for the winning Red Sox (after getting only one pinch hit opportunity in 2015) against the Robins(Dodgers). So go Dodgers, they should meet every 102 years or so.
We’ve spent 18 months naval gazing over judicial appointments. Pick three that are particularly bad and agree to confirm the rest if they can those.
Finally, although it seems we should make it clear we dont like killing people while they have been kidnapped and interrogated, it wont kill us to let the Saudis figure out a way to save face.then we should take flyover America, cover it with solar panels and windmills. The rent on the land will inevitably be more per acre than farming yield.
I think Mexico engaging the UN to treat the central American refugees as refugees is a step forward.
Friday dump complete.
Per the post: I hope the Dems win the House barely, this precludes the otherwise inevitable civil war.
I want a rematch of the 1916 World Series where Babe Ruth pitched 13 innings in game 2 for the winning Red Sox (after getting only one pinch hit opportunity in 2015) against the Robins(Dodgers). So go Dodgers, they should meet every 102 years or so.
We’ve spent 18 months naval gazing over judicial appointments. Pick three that are particularly bad and agree to confirm the rest if they can those.
Finally, although it seems we should make it clear we dont like killing people while they have been kidnapped and interrogated, it wont kill us to let the Saudis figure out a way to save face.then we should take flyover America, cover it with solar panels and windmills. The rent on the land will inevitably be more per acre than farming yield.
I think Mexico engaging the UN to treat the central American refugees as refugees is a step forward.
Friday dump complete.
we should take flyover America, cover it with solar panels and windmills. The rent on the land will inevitably be more per acre than farming yield.
Of course there is the inconvenience that Trump is running a trade war with China. Which is a major source of solar panels. At minimum that means waiting a couple of years while we (who? surely not the government!) build new manufacturing plants here.
we should take flyover America, cover it with solar panels and windmills. The rent on the land will inevitably be more per acre than farming yield.
Of course there is the inconvenience that Trump is running a trade war with China. Which is a major source of solar panels. At minimum that means waiting a couple of years while we (who? surely not the government!) build new manufacturing plants here.
flyover USA should really get in on solar.
hell, NC is currently 2nd in the country in total solar MW.
surely the big flat rectangle states could spare a few acres to solar.
flyover USA should really get in on solar.
hell, NC is currently 2nd in the country in total solar MW.
surely the big flat rectangle states could spare a few acres to solar.
a guy gets killed, apparently after being ambushed and tortured, and before being dismembered. Then the R party starts a smear campaign to make sure we know he was a bad guy, and therefore it doesn’t matter.
Fred Hiatt, editor of the Washington Post:
a guy gets killed, apparently after being ambushed and tortured, and before being dismembered. Then the R party starts a smear campaign to make sure we know he was a bad guy, and therefore it doesn’t matter.
Fred Hiatt, editor of the Washington Post:
as a commenter on LGM pointed out: it wasn’t so long ago that “conservatives” were screaming that ISIS was an existential threat to all of western civilization because they were cutting off journalists’ heads.
as a commenter on LGM pointed out: it wasn’t so long ago that “conservatives” were screaming that ISIS was an existential threat to all of western civilization because they were cutting off journalists’ heads.
Meanwhile, we see here just how seriously the White House is likely to take any assault on a journalist
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-montana-rally-trump-praises-congressman-for-assaulting-reporter/2018/10/18/1e1d0d1e-d304-11e8-8c22-fa2ef74bd6d6_story.html
Class . . . the kind we’ve come to expect.
Meanwhile, we see here just how seriously the White House is likely to take any assault on a journalist
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-montana-rally-trump-praises-congressman-for-assaulting-reporter/2018/10/18/1e1d0d1e-d304-11e8-8c22-fa2ef74bd6d6_story.html
Class . . . the kind we’ve come to expect.
About letting the Saudis “save face”. How would that work, exactly?
I mean, would anybody in the world except He, Trump and his capos even pretend to buy any “face-saving” explanation?
“Bring me the head of MBS on a platter with watercress around it, and maybe we can treat you as a mere pariah instead of a vicious criminal,” is what the world should say to Saudi Arabia. But that’s a pipe dream, of course. After all, the world is still willing to pretend that He, Trump is NOT a criminal.
–TP
About letting the Saudis “save face”. How would that work, exactly?
I mean, would anybody in the world except He, Trump and his capos even pretend to buy any “face-saving” explanation?
“Bring me the head of MBS on a platter with watercress around it, and maybe we can treat you as a mere pariah instead of a vicious criminal,” is what the world should say to Saudi Arabia. But that’s a pipe dream, of course. After all, the world is still willing to pretend that He, Trump is NOT a criminal.
–TP
it wasn’t so long ago that “conservatives” were screaming that ISIS was an existential threat to all of western civilization because they were cutting off journalists’ heads.
Clearly, those decapitations were just a bit too close to home for acephalic RWNJs.
it wasn’t so long ago that “conservatives” were screaming that ISIS was an existential threat to all of western civilization because they were cutting off journalists’ heads.
Clearly, those decapitations were just a bit too close to home for acephalic RWNJs.
Why the NYT is dead to me.
Once upon a time, I read the NYT every day. Did the cross-word. I even had the NYT campus delivery concession for a while when I was at college.
They no long bring anything of value to the table.
Why the NYT is dead to me.
Once upon a time, I read the NYT every day. Did the cross-word. I even had the NYT campus delivery concession for a while when I was at college.
They no long bring anything of value to the table.
russell, that link is not working for me (possibly only because I’m in Europe (at least for now!), but I have a NYT subscription, so could you give the headline, byline etc? I am trying to keep my subscriptions down, but I have been toying with the idea of getting one for the Washington Post as well/instead….
russell, that link is not working for me (possibly only because I’m in Europe (at least for now!), but I have a NYT subscription, so could you give the headline, byline etc? I am trying to keep my subscriptions down, but I have been toying with the idea of getting one for the Washington Post as well/instead….
Echoing GftNC. The link doesn’t work for me, either.
Echoing GftNC. The link doesn’t work for me, either.
I am trying to keep my subscriptions down, but I have been toying with the idea of getting one for the Washington Post as well/instead….
If you want to try out the Post online, you can look at an essentially unlimited number of articles if you open them in a Private Window. (Or go thru after every couple of articles and clear History and Cookies, but that’s a hassle.) Just a thought.
I am trying to keep my subscriptions down, but I have been toying with the idea of getting one for the Washington Post as well/instead….
If you want to try out the Post online, you can look at an essentially unlimited number of articles if you open them in a Private Window. (Or go thru after every couple of articles and clear History and Cookies, but that’s a hassle.) Just a thought.
“flyover USA should really get in on solar.”
The deep Southwest is. For much of the country west of the Mississippi River, wind is actually the low-hanging fruit, and the money’s been going into that. In Colorado, the last bid Xcel put out for new supply had wind come in significantly cheaper than their own gas-fired electricity. Xcel currently expects that by 2026, 55% of the power they deliver in Colorado will be from renewable sources. A considerable amount of that will actually be generated up in Wyoming, which has some absolutely magnificent wind resources.
“flyover USA should really get in on solar.”
The deep Southwest is. For much of the country west of the Mississippi River, wind is actually the low-hanging fruit, and the money’s been going into that. In Colorado, the last bid Xcel put out for new supply had wind come in significantly cheaper than their own gas-fired electricity. Xcel currently expects that by 2026, 55% of the power they deliver in Colorado will be from renewable sources. A considerable amount of that will actually be generated up in Wyoming, which has some absolutely magnificent wind resources.
via LGM….very good stuff. Welcome aboard, Max Boot.
via LGM….very good stuff. Welcome aboard, Max Boot.
They no long bring anything of value to the table.
They pretty much lost me with the run-up to the Iraq war.
They no long bring anything of value to the table.
They pretty much lost me with the run-up to the Iraq war.
Boot is absolutely correct – a movement which regards Goldwater as not an extremist has taken a long step down the road to extremism.
Trump, though, is of a different order, and the Republican party has surrendered to him, despite the occasional gestures towards morally distancing themselves from him.
And I don’t think this article wrong in calling him a threat to the survival of democracy in the US.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/trump-lies-kavanaugh-khashoggi.html
Boot is absolutely correct – a movement which regards Goldwater as not an extremist has taken a long step down the road to extremism.
Trump, though, is of a different order, and the Republican party has surrendered to him, despite the occasional gestures towards morally distancing themselves from him.
And I don’t think this article wrong in calling him a threat to the survival of democracy in the US.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/trump-lies-kavanaugh-khashoggi.html
we should take flyover America, cover it with solar panels and windmills. The rent on the land will inevitably be more per acre than farming yield.
Hardly necessary.
Less than one percent of the surface area of the US would be required for solar panels sufficient to produce electricity equivalent to the current demand.
we should take flyover America, cover it with solar panels and windmills. The rent on the land will inevitably be more per acre than farming yield.
Hardly necessary.
Less than one percent of the surface area of the US would be required for solar panels sufficient to produce electricity equivalent to the current demand.
If you want to do something (possibly, although I admit that I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it) useful, perhaps you could comment (before Oct 23) on the proposal to drop fuel efficiency and emissions standards for US cars and light trucks. Here’s where:
https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2018-0283-0756
If you want to do something (possibly, although I admit that I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it) useful, perhaps you could comment (before Oct 23) on the proposal to drop fuel efficiency and emissions standards for US cars and light trucks. Here’s where:
https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2018-0283-0756
Russell’s link was this
http://newsdiffs.org/diff/1897383/1897412/
which looks at the revisions to this article
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia.html
Russell’s link was this
http://newsdiffs.org/diff/1897383/1897412/
which looks at the revisions to this article
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia.html
One a slightly more uplifting note, I ran across this article on Japan’s ‘hometown tax’
https://www.kalzumeus.com/2018/10/19/japanese-hometown-tax/
Which seems a rather interesting system. Is the article accurate, lj ?
One a slightly more uplifting note, I ran across this article on Japan’s ‘hometown tax’
https://www.kalzumeus.com/2018/10/19/japanese-hometown-tax/
Which seems a rather interesting system. Is the article accurate, lj ?
Yes, accurate, but I don’t think it has the impact that the writer adduces. It seems more like a nice PR program that makes people feel good, but doesn’t realign any of the current imbalances in a way that is meaningful.
Here’s an English guide
http://www.noze.jp/
and a simulator
https://en.furumaru.jp/info/whats_tax.php
I’m sure that the folks on the right on this board will look at how much tax Japan takes and claim that this is the reason why there is a problem. Let’s not and say we did…
Yes, accurate, but I don’t think it has the impact that the writer adduces. It seems more like a nice PR program that makes people feel good, but doesn’t realign any of the current imbalances in a way that is meaningful.
Here’s an English guide
http://www.noze.jp/
and a simulator
https://en.furumaru.jp/info/whats_tax.php
I’m sure that the folks on the right on this board will look at how much tax Japan takes and claim that this is the reason why there is a problem. Let’s not and say we did…
I’m assuming that the right folks will be coming out now that we have a(n im)plausible explanation for Khashoggi’s death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-dead-saudi-arabia.html
I’m assuming that the right folks will be coming out now that we have a(n im)plausible explanation for Khashoggi’s death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-dead-saudi-arabia.html
Note Trump described the probable lies as a “good first step” – which is a typical Trump tactic of testing the water in preparation for pushing lies wholesale.
Introduce doubt, muse about it in public for a while as he mimics an open-minded weighing of the opposing stories, and then declare it accepted fact.
Which is precisely how he played the Kavanaugh business.
Note Trump described the probable lies as a “good first step” – which is a typical Trump tactic of testing the water in preparation for pushing lies wholesale.
Introduce doubt, muse about it in public for a while as he mimics an open-minded weighing of the opposing stories, and then declare it accepted fact.
Which is precisely how he played the Kavanaugh business.
This is a very good article on Trump’s comedy:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/trump-rallies-comedy-916795
It’s somethimg his opponents don’t analyses sufficiently – understandably, as to anyone with a liberal conscience he is appallingly unfunny, but it is undeniably effective, and allows him to make unpalatable ideas palatable to his supporters.
Liberals need also to think long and hard about this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/
If anyone is going to beat him in 2020, dealing with these things will be as important to the election as policies which affect the real world.
This is a very good article on Trump’s comedy:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/trump-rallies-comedy-916795
It’s somethimg his opponents don’t analyses sufficiently – understandably, as to anyone with a liberal conscience he is appallingly unfunny, but it is undeniably effective, and allows him to make unpalatable ideas palatable to his supporters.
Liberals need also to think long and hard about this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/
If anyone is going to beat him in 2020, dealing with these things will be as important to the election as policies which affect the real world.
Thanks, lj – don’t think it has the impact that the writer adduces sounds about right. The story suggests something quite consequential – but actually the $2.5 bn figure he cites isn’t all that much in an economy the size of Japan’s.
Thanks, lj – don’t think it has the impact that the writer adduces sounds about right. The story suggests something quite consequential – but actually the $2.5 bn figure he cites isn’t all that much in an economy the size of Japan’s.
Liberals need also to think long and hard about this
“happy holidays”
“flyover country”
“the rubes”
Conservatives need to think long and hard about this.
Can’t take a joke? Don’t make a joke.
And not for nothing, but Trump and his supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.
He’s not a comedian, he’s a f’ing bully. There’s an audience for that, but being part of audience is not the nicest thing that can be said about you.
Rhetorical “you”, not “you, Nigel”.
Liberals need also to think long and hard about this
“happy holidays”
“flyover country”
“the rubes”
Conservatives need to think long and hard about this.
Can’t take a joke? Don’t make a joke.
And not for nothing, but Trump and his supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.
He’s not a comedian, he’s a f’ing bully. There’s an audience for that, but being part of audience is not the nicest thing that can be said about you.
Rhetorical “you”, not “you, Nigel”.
Most especially, fuck that “happy holidays” bullshit. If people are going to elect a psychopath like Clickbait because they’ve decided to get their knickers in a twist about how people greet each other in December, then we are beyond doomed, and I don’t have to think long and hard about it at all to know that it’s the biggest pile of steaming crap I have ever heard of.
Even if they don’t give a flying banana about the fact that other people are celebrating other things besides the alleged “Christian” holiday, there’s also New Year’s Day coming up, so there’s in fact more than one holiday to nod to and there always has been. “Happy holidays” was an utterly unremarkable and unremarked way to mark the season for most of my life, until some right-wing hatemonger (Limbaugh, IIRC) decided it would be yet another good item on the list of ways to keep his worshipers (“Christian” my ass) despising the rest of us.
What I am thinking long and hard about is moving to a sane planet. I am not thinking long and hard about how to tiptoe around these assholes, trying to make sure not to act like it’s my world too.
And finally, I am sick of being lectured to about it.
Anyhow, who’s the politically correct one when I say “happy holidays” and someone has a goddamned tantrum about it?
Most especially, fuck that “happy holidays” bullshit. If people are going to elect a psychopath like Clickbait because they’ve decided to get their knickers in a twist about how people greet each other in December, then we are beyond doomed, and I don’t have to think long and hard about it at all to know that it’s the biggest pile of steaming crap I have ever heard of.
Even if they don’t give a flying banana about the fact that other people are celebrating other things besides the alleged “Christian” holiday, there’s also New Year’s Day coming up, so there’s in fact more than one holiday to nod to and there always has been. “Happy holidays” was an utterly unremarkable and unremarked way to mark the season for most of my life, until some right-wing hatemonger (Limbaugh, IIRC) decided it would be yet another good item on the list of ways to keep his worshipers (“Christian” my ass) despising the rest of us.
What I am thinking long and hard about is moving to a sane planet. I am not thinking long and hard about how to tiptoe around these assholes, trying to make sure not to act like it’s my world too.
And finally, I am sick of being lectured to about it.
Anyhow, who’s the politically correct one when I say “happy holidays” and someone has a goddamned tantrum about it?
Nothing like a little civility:
Nothing like a little civility:
To address the “politically correct” aspect of holiday greetings directly: the usual suspects think “happy holidays” is political correctness run amok because, wait for it, it’s a way of recognizing and honoring the fact that we are a diverse society, and the reality (which we might in fact rejoice in if we had the least little dollop of maturity or generosity) that not everyone shares the same beliefs or celebrates the same things.
And that’s what they’re really mad about, that the rest of us have had the goddamned gall to assert that it’s our world too. To read day after day about the rise of alt-right white nationalists, and then to be told that it’s *my* side that’s making them do it, just by living and breathing and trying to share the public square?
Nope, not having any.
To address the “politically correct” aspect of holiday greetings directly: the usual suspects think “happy holidays” is political correctness run amok because, wait for it, it’s a way of recognizing and honoring the fact that we are a diverse society, and the reality (which we might in fact rejoice in if we had the least little dollop of maturity or generosity) that not everyone shares the same beliefs or celebrates the same things.
And that’s what they’re really mad about, that the rest of us have had the goddamned gall to assert that it’s our world too. To read day after day about the rise of alt-right white nationalists, and then to be told that it’s *my* side that’s making them do it, just by living and breathing and trying to share the public square?
Nope, not having any.
I think that Atlantic piece is very interesting, Nigel, and important. I was particularly interested in the breakdown into political “tribes”, and the consequent statistics, and I guess it’s fairly clear what tribe most of us belong in!
I think that Atlantic piece is very interesting, Nigel, and important. I was particularly interested in the breakdown into political “tribes”, and the consequent statistics, and I guess it’s fairly clear what tribe most of us belong in!
Great Atlantic piece.
Btw, No one I know objects to you saying Happy Holidays, the problem is that we are considered politically incorrect if we say Merry Christmas.
My FB is fairly full of people who say things like, I dont care what I’m supposed to say. Merry Christmas. And these are pretty much across the spectrum politically.
To pretend that people objecting to Happy Holidays is how this issue started is trying to rewrite history.
People objecting to a national celebration of Christmas is how it started. That’s what changed.
Schools being forced to not mention Christmas, towns being sued to take down the nativity scene, etc.
Great Atlantic piece.
Btw, No one I know objects to you saying Happy Holidays, the problem is that we are considered politically incorrect if we say Merry Christmas.
My FB is fairly full of people who say things like, I dont care what I’m supposed to say. Merry Christmas. And these are pretty much across the spectrum politically.
To pretend that people objecting to Happy Holidays is how this issue started is trying to rewrite history.
People objecting to a national celebration of Christmas is how it started. That’s what changed.
Schools being forced to not mention Christmas, towns being sued to take down the nativity scene, etc.
Marty, I can’t swear to this, and am open to serious contrary evidence, but my impression is that not many people have ever really objected to Merry Christmas, but that when some thoughtful people tried to say that Happy Holidays was more suitable to use for people of various other cultures like jews and muslims, and did not exclude christians, it was seized on as an excuse by culture warriors to say there was a War on Christmas, and became a useful cudgel with which to beat people attempting to be more inclusive. Everybody I know (including many lefty progressives and secular jews) is perfectly happy with Merry Christmas, but the people who object to Happy Holidays seem all to be on one side of the (e.g. Fox) spectrum.
Marty, I can’t swear to this, and am open to serious contrary evidence, but my impression is that not many people have ever really objected to Merry Christmas, but that when some thoughtful people tried to say that Happy Holidays was more suitable to use for people of various other cultures like jews and muslims, and did not exclude christians, it was seized on as an excuse by culture warriors to say there was a War on Christmas, and became a useful cudgel with which to beat people attempting to be more inclusive. Everybody I know (including many lefty progressives and secular jews) is perfectly happy with Merry Christmas, but the people who object to Happy Holidays seem all to be on one side of the (e.g. Fox) spectrum.
In this country, gftnc, Merry Christmas is very often treated as politically incorrect, with many who arent Christian feeling the need to let one know it isn’t acceptable.
In this country, gftnc, Merry Christmas is very often treated as politically incorrect, with many who arent Christian feeling the need to let one know it isn’t acceptable.
My evidence, such as it is, was mostly from your country, Marty. The whole War on Christmas thing is not such an issue here, probably because we don’t have Fox News.
My evidence, such as it is, was mostly from your country, Marty. The whole War on Christmas thing is not such an issue here, probably because we don’t have Fox News.
assertion by russell: And not for nothing, but Trump and his supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.
proof of assertion by marty: My FB is fairly full of people who say things like, I dont care what I’m supposed to say. Merry Christmas. And these are pretty much across the spectrum politically.
I would love to see someone who was called out by someone else for saying Merry Christmas. What does happen is that in public schools, and where events are being hosted by people who want to include non-Christians during late December, the term “holiday” is used to make people feel welcome. It’s a made-up “hurt fee fee” (to go back to that term, which I cop to having used) to be insulted by the phenomenon. Reminds me of the current suggestion that “white men need to be scared.”
assertion by russell: And not for nothing, but Trump and his supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.
proof of assertion by marty: My FB is fairly full of people who say things like, I dont care what I’m supposed to say. Merry Christmas. And these are pretty much across the spectrum politically.
I would love to see someone who was called out by someone else for saying Merry Christmas. What does happen is that in public schools, and where events are being hosted by people who want to include non-Christians during late December, the term “holiday” is used to make people feel welcome. It’s a made-up “hurt fee fee” (to go back to that term, which I cop to having used) to be insulted by the phenomenon. Reminds me of the current suggestion that “white men need to be scared.”
By the way, speaking of “hurt fee fees,” that’s why that term came about, because white Republicans are constantly trying to find a way to claim victimhood.
By the way, speaking of “hurt fee fees,” that’s why that term came about, because white Republicans are constantly trying to find a way to claim victimhood.
He’s not a comedian, he’s a f’ing bully. There’s an audience for that, but being part of audience is not the nicest thing that can be said about you.
I agree with you, JanieM – though he is both bully and comedian.
That I don’t find him any funnier than you do was part of my point.
I was considering how best to destroy him in the 2020 election, and the Presidential debates (for example) will be an important part of this. It doesn’t take an Avenatti (thank god), but it does require someone who can win rhetorically as well as on substance – something Obama was rather good at and Hillary wasn’t.
He’s not a comedian, he’s a f’ing bully. There’s an audience for that, but being part of audience is not the nicest thing that can be said about you.
I agree with you, JanieM – though he is both bully and comedian.
That I don’t find him any funnier than you do was part of my point.
I was considering how best to destroy him in the 2020 election, and the Presidential debates (for example) will be an important part of this. It doesn’t take an Avenatti (thank god), but it does require someone who can win rhetorically as well as on substance – something Obama was rather good at and Hillary wasn’t.
In this country, gftnc, Merry Christmas is very often treated as politically incorrect, with many who arent Christian feeling the need to let one know it isn’t acceptable.
Do you have any evidence for that, Marty ?
In this country, gftnc, Merry Christmas is very often treated as politically incorrect, with many who arent Christian feeling the need to let one know it isn’t acceptable.
Do you have any evidence for that, Marty ?
we are considered politically incorrect if we say Merry Christmas.
Who are these people considering you politically incorrect for that ?
we are considered politically incorrect if we say Merry Christmas.
Who are these people considering you politically incorrect for that ?
It doesn’t take an Avenatti (thank god),
I’m not understanding the animosity towards Avenatti. He’s by no means my first choice as a Presidential candidate (and there are others who I also find problematic) partly because he’s not a career politician (a trait that would appeal to many people). But he’s a knowledgeable lawyer and works hard for his clients. He’s a self-promoter, it’s true, but one would have to be that. There are things about his financial history that bear scrutiny, and I’m not on his campaign bandwagon. But his vitriol (which is based on real issues) seems mostly reserved for Trump. It’s based on reality, and Trump deserves it.
The tendency to disparage him and other people who are trying in their own ways to fight seems less than constructive.
For the record, my current favorites are Amy Klobuchar and Kamala Harris.
It doesn’t take an Avenatti (thank god),
I’m not understanding the animosity towards Avenatti. He’s by no means my first choice as a Presidential candidate (and there are others who I also find problematic) partly because he’s not a career politician (a trait that would appeal to many people). But he’s a knowledgeable lawyer and works hard for his clients. He’s a self-promoter, it’s true, but one would have to be that. There are things about his financial history that bear scrutiny, and I’m not on his campaign bandwagon. But his vitriol (which is based on real issues) seems mostly reserved for Trump. It’s based on reality, and Trump deserves it.
The tendency to disparage him and other people who are trying in their own ways to fight seems less than constructive.
For the record, my current favorites are Amy Klobuchar and Kamala Harris.
there’s also New Year’s Day coming up, so there’s in fact more than one holiday to nod to and there always has been.
hell, between Advent and Chrsitmastide (aka ‘The 12 Days Of Christmas’), there are like 45 consecutive traditional Christian holy days in December and early January.
insisting it’s all about the one day is very un-traditional and really sounds like an effort to promote a very specific version of Christianity and exclude all others. which i guess is actually a very Christian thing to do.
there’s also New Year’s Day coming up, so there’s in fact more than one holiday to nod to and there always has been.
hell, between Advent and Chrsitmastide (aka ‘The 12 Days Of Christmas’), there are like 45 consecutive traditional Christian holy days in December and early January.
insisting it’s all about the one day is very un-traditional and really sounds like an effort to promote a very specific version of Christianity and exclude all others. which i guess is actually a very Christian thing to do.
According to the several seconds of in-depth research I’ve undertaken, the “War on Christmas” theme has been taken up by a few right-wing polemicists in the UK also; Eric Pickles for one. Of course, just as in the USA they have to invent things to complain about.
The biggest true complaint is that Walmart instructed its staff to wish customers ‘Happy holidays’ rather than ‘Merry Christmas’. My view is that retailers should be left to decide for themselves how best to please their customers, whereas Marty apparently believes there should be some sort of regulation of seasonal greetings. Let’s agree to differ on that, and get back to talking about how to extirpate the evil that is Trump and his Republican Party.
According to the several seconds of in-depth research I’ve undertaken, the “War on Christmas” theme has been taken up by a few right-wing polemicists in the UK also; Eric Pickles for one. Of course, just as in the USA they have to invent things to complain about.
The biggest true complaint is that Walmart instructed its staff to wish customers ‘Happy holidays’ rather than ‘Merry Christmas’. My view is that retailers should be left to decide for themselves how best to please their customers, whereas Marty apparently believes there should be some sort of regulation of seasonal greetings. Let’s agree to differ on that, and get back to talking about how to extirpate the evil that is Trump and his Republican Party.
Next thing you know, Marty will assert that it was a historical fiction that some folks yelled, “Love it or leave it” at their political foes.
Next thing you know, Marty will assert that it was a historical fiction that some folks yelled, “Love it or leave it” at their political foes.
but it does require someone who can win rhetorically as well as on substance – something Obama was rather good at and Hillary wasn’t.
Point taken. Obama did have some sharp elbows, but a lot of it was a bit too subtle. I have a dream that some day he will yell about Trump, “Fuck him and his bad makeup” and always refer to him as “agent orange”. As to substance, Trump’s great schtick is to use the misdirection of an insult to not discuss anything of substance.
but it does require someone who can win rhetorically as well as on substance – something Obama was rather good at and Hillary wasn’t.
Point taken. Obama did have some sharp elbows, but a lot of it was a bit too subtle. I have a dream that some day he will yell about Trump, “Fuck him and his bad makeup” and always refer to him as “agent orange”. As to substance, Trump’s great schtick is to use the misdirection of an insult to not discuss anything of substance.
“Merry Christmas” has become a wingnut shibboleth that a) makes people wonder if they’re being challenged by a rage addict who wants to see who isn’t toeing the FoxNewspeak party line b) ignores dozens of actual Christian holidays c) deliberately excludes non-Christians.
it’s a perfect encapsulation of modern “conservatism”: manufactured outrage in the service of ignorant bigotry.
they don’t deserve Christmas.
“Merry Christmas” has become a wingnut shibboleth that a) makes people wonder if they’re being challenged by a rage addict who wants to see who isn’t toeing the FoxNewspeak party line b) ignores dozens of actual Christian holidays c) deliberately excludes non-Christians.
it’s a perfect encapsulation of modern “conservatism”: manufactured outrage in the service of ignorant bigotry.
they don’t deserve Christmas.
they don’t deserve Christmas.
Do they even know what Christmas is? An illegal immigrant unwed mother and her partner with their baby, seeking shelter? They would put them in cages.
they don’t deserve Christmas.
Do they even know what Christmas is? An illegal immigrant unwed mother and her partner with their baby, seeking shelter? They would put them in cages.
Hey, but she did carry the kid to term.
Hey, but she did carry the kid to term.
People in schools didn’t “decide” to have holiday parties, they were sued and had formal complaints filed by what was often 1 or 2 non Christian’s in a school who’s parents couldn’t explain real life to their kids. This is a Christian country, changing, and we are free to worship as we see fit, but most Anericans celebrate Christmas.
Diversity doesn’t mean silencing one group to accommodate another. Inclusion is recognizing other holy days, not avoiding the name of the actual national holiday.
It is telling that the largest group of people imposing this on everyone else are the PC police tribe in the Atlantic piece. And every response since my comment reflects that attitude.
This isn’t some made up thing, a group of people set out to attack Christmas in our community life. Using the courts and other means they try to remove any religious iconography from the season.
People in schools didn’t “decide” to have holiday parties, they were sued and had formal complaints filed by what was often 1 or 2 non Christian’s in a school who’s parents couldn’t explain real life to their kids. This is a Christian country, changing, and we are free to worship as we see fit, but most Anericans celebrate Christmas.
Diversity doesn’t mean silencing one group to accommodate another. Inclusion is recognizing other holy days, not avoiding the name of the actual national holiday.
It is telling that the largest group of people imposing this on everyone else are the PC police tribe in the Atlantic piece. And every response since my comment reflects that attitude.
This isn’t some made up thing, a group of people set out to attack Christmas in our community life. Using the courts and other means they try to remove any religious iconography from the season.
No one I know objects to you saying Happy Holidays
Sadly, you don’t know everyone.
the problem is that we are considered politically incorrect if we say Merry Christmas.
While stipulating that I, like Marty, don’t know everyone, I’ll say that nobody I know cares if people say Merry Christmas.
The United States used to be, overwhelmingly, Christian in religious affiliation. Aligning public holidays and observances and displays with Christian ones didn’t create a lot of dissonance.
We were a nation with no established religion de jure, but in practice so many people were at least nominally Christian that nobody minded.
Plus Christmas, specifically, is a positive and celebratory part of the church calendar. Babies and angels and wise men with presents, what’s not to like? It’s interesting that nobody us upset about a lack of public observance of, for example, Maundy Thursday.
But I digress.
We’re no longer an overwhelmingly Christian nation. Some people who aren’t Christian object to public spaces and resources being given over to Christian celebration. Many dont, some do. This is more common in places where Christian religious affiliation is less common.
Which kind of makes sense.
We all know all of the above. And none of this drama is about what words anyone uses to extend good wishes to another.
It’s about other stuff.
For readers in the UK, kindly remember that here in the US, we have no established religion. We do not, and can not.
No one I know objects to you saying Happy Holidays
Sadly, you don’t know everyone.
the problem is that we are considered politically incorrect if we say Merry Christmas.
While stipulating that I, like Marty, don’t know everyone, I’ll say that nobody I know cares if people say Merry Christmas.
The United States used to be, overwhelmingly, Christian in religious affiliation. Aligning public holidays and observances and displays with Christian ones didn’t create a lot of dissonance.
We were a nation with no established religion de jure, but in practice so many people were at least nominally Christian that nobody minded.
Plus Christmas, specifically, is a positive and celebratory part of the church calendar. Babies and angels and wise men with presents, what’s not to like? It’s interesting that nobody us upset about a lack of public observance of, for example, Maundy Thursday.
But I digress.
We’re no longer an overwhelmingly Christian nation. Some people who aren’t Christian object to public spaces and resources being given over to Christian celebration. Many dont, some do. This is more common in places where Christian religious affiliation is less common.
Which kind of makes sense.
We all know all of the above. And none of this drama is about what words anyone uses to extend good wishes to another.
It’s about other stuff.
For readers in the UK, kindly remember that here in the US, we have no established religion. We do not, and can not.
they were sued
and they lost.
This is a Christian country
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
Say Merry Christmas, Marty. Don’t use tax money to establish “Christian” holidays. This is not hard.
they were sued
and they lost.
This is a Christian country
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
Say Merry Christmas, Marty. Don’t use tax money to establish “Christian” holidays. This is not hard.
Except “they lost” means someone made a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Except “they lost” means someone made a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Except “they lost” means someone made a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Free exercise does not mean taxpayer funded. You and your friends can say Merry Christmas, exchange Christmas cards, and do whatever you like, but not with my tax money. Congratulations! You are the American Taliban!
As to my participation in feeding Marty’s resentment addiction, I think I’m done for today.
Except “they lost” means someone made a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Free exercise does not mean taxpayer funded. You and your friends can say Merry Christmas, exchange Christmas cards, and do whatever you like, but not with my tax money. Congratulations! You are the American Taliban!
As to my participation in feeding Marty’s resentment addiction, I think I’m done for today.
No one forced nativity sets out of the public square. The issue is that if the government allows nativities, they have to allow other religious groups similar opportunities.
Or, they can choose to ban all of them.
Apparently, christians preferred to remove the nativity sets than have to look at someone else’s religious stuff.
No one forced nativity sets out of the public square. The issue is that if the government allows nativities, they have to allow other religious groups similar opportunities.
Or, they can choose to ban all of them.
Apparently, christians preferred to remove the nativity sets than have to look at someone else’s religious stuff.
No that’s not true, the supreme court decision disallowed any nativity scene that didn’t include other religious and secular iconography. It had nothing to do with “allowing” it. It was required to be there.
No that’s not true, the supreme court decision disallowed any nativity scene that didn’t include other religious and secular iconography. It had nothing to do with “allowing” it. It was required to be there.
Except “they lost” means someone made a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
saying you can’t make me participate in your religion has fuck-all to do with your participation in your own religion.
this is not a Christian nation. it’s a nation with a lot of Christians. but Christians have no legal right to force others to participate in their rituals.
Except “they lost” means someone made a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
saying you can’t make me participate in your religion has fuck-all to do with your participation in your own religion.
this is not a Christian nation. it’s a nation with a lot of Christians. but Christians have no legal right to force others to participate in their rituals.
Either way, no right wing media person made this up. The court cases are real, rules, restrictions and limits are real. The PC police are real.
No one has ever made anyone participate, their are lots of things posted or displayed in government buildings that are for specific audiences.
Either way, no right wing media person made this up. The court cases are real, rules, restrictions and limits are real. The PC police are real.
No one has ever made anyone participate, their are lots of things posted or displayed in government buildings that are for specific audiences.
Diversity doesn’t mean silencing one group to accommodate another.
Christians aren’t being silenced. they’re being told they can’t use government to force people into acting like Christians.
This isn’t some made up thing, a group of people set out to attack Christmas in our community life.
nobody attacked Christmas. people who aren’t Christians decided they were tired of being forced by the government to act like they were.
you’d have quite a different view of this if children were being forced by the government to fast for Ramadan.
Diversity doesn’t mean silencing one group to accommodate another.
Christians aren’t being silenced. they’re being told they can’t use government to force people into acting like Christians.
This isn’t some made up thing, a group of people set out to attack Christmas in our community life.
nobody attacked Christmas. people who aren’t Christians decided they were tired of being forced by the government to act like they were.
you’d have quite a different view of this if children were being forced by the government to fast for Ramadan.
Yes, the nativity scene was required to be inclusive of the holiday. Towns objected to having a festivus pole, so banned them, rather than include them.
On the one hand, a crèche is permissible if accompanied by prominent secular symbols; on the other hand, all religious (and anti-religious) symbols can claim a right to be in the same display if they have a holiday theme.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/366264-why-reindeer-rule-nativity-scenes-on-public-property
Yes, the nativity scene was required to be inclusive of the holiday. Towns objected to having a festivus pole, so banned them, rather than include them.
On the one hand, a crèche is permissible if accompanied by prominent secular symbols; on the other hand, all religious (and anti-religious) symbols can claim a right to be in the same display if they have a holiday theme.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/366264-why-reindeer-rule-nativity-scenes-on-public-property
People in schools didn’t “decide” to have holiday parties, they were sued and had formal complaints filed by what was often 1 or 2 non Christian’s in a school who’s parents couldn’t explain real life to their kids.
Yes, because their one or two kids weren’t Christian. And yet, they were required by law to attend a public school, paid for by taxes they were required to pay, and in that public school, funded by public dollars, their kids were expected to participate in a celebration of a Christian holiday.
Some of those folks are going to find that objectionable.
In passing I’ll say that the comment about “parents would couldn’t explain real life to their kid” is one of the most arrogant, and ignorant, things I’ve read on this blog to date.
Parents aren’t obliged to train their children to conform to your understanding of “real life”.
This is a Christian country, changing, and we are free to worship as we see fit, but most Anericans celebrate Christmas.
If there was one thing I could wish for this country, it would be that the myth of the United States as Christian nation would be gone.
We happen to be a nation wherein the majority religious affiliation is Christian. And “majority” here at this point means about 70%, and that includes all expressions of Christianity, from Mormons to Catholics to Evangelicals to Primitive Baptists to the United Church of Christ, who are indistinguishable from those hippie wackos the UU’s, except they pronounce one or another of the patristic creeds every Sunday.
It includes, in fact, Christians who believe it is a corrupting sin to observe Christmas. Imagine that.
Quite a large percentage of that 70% are people who are “Christian” in the same sense that they are from one particular state or other. It’s just where they were born.
And, at least 30% of the total population falls outside of that rag-bag of creeds beliefs and practices, held however strongly or nominally.
What we *are not* is a nation that is either founded on, or which practices, Christian faith or practice in any but the most attenuated and nominal way. Not even that, frankly.
Our laws and institutions are modeled approximately on English ones, and intellectually are rooted in European Enlightenment political thought, especially that of the Scottish Enlightenment. Our laws are modeled on, and stand in the tradition of, English common law.
What we value and champion more than anything else is power and property. Not Christian values.
Speaking as a Christian, I do not recognize the United States as a Christian nation. And that causes me no problem at all, because Christian faith in my understanding is not in any way about political entities. Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, etc.
And IMO all of our lives would be much, much simpler if we would all recognize that. I’m not holding my breath.
No Christian nation holds kids in a dog pen. End of discussion, as far as I’m concerned.
Except “they lost” means someone made a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
If there was one other thing I could wish for this country, it would be a clear definition of what the “exercise of religion” means.
I don’t think it means what you appear to think it means.
People in schools didn’t “decide” to have holiday parties, they were sued and had formal complaints filed by what was often 1 or 2 non Christian’s in a school who’s parents couldn’t explain real life to their kids.
Yes, because their one or two kids weren’t Christian. And yet, they were required by law to attend a public school, paid for by taxes they were required to pay, and in that public school, funded by public dollars, their kids were expected to participate in a celebration of a Christian holiday.
Some of those folks are going to find that objectionable.
In passing I’ll say that the comment about “parents would couldn’t explain real life to their kid” is one of the most arrogant, and ignorant, things I’ve read on this blog to date.
Parents aren’t obliged to train their children to conform to your understanding of “real life”.
This is a Christian country, changing, and we are free to worship as we see fit, but most Anericans celebrate Christmas.
If there was one thing I could wish for this country, it would be that the myth of the United States as Christian nation would be gone.
We happen to be a nation wherein the majority religious affiliation is Christian. And “majority” here at this point means about 70%, and that includes all expressions of Christianity, from Mormons to Catholics to Evangelicals to Primitive Baptists to the United Church of Christ, who are indistinguishable from those hippie wackos the UU’s, except they pronounce one or another of the patristic creeds every Sunday.
It includes, in fact, Christians who believe it is a corrupting sin to observe Christmas. Imagine that.
Quite a large percentage of that 70% are people who are “Christian” in the same sense that they are from one particular state or other. It’s just where they were born.
And, at least 30% of the total population falls outside of that rag-bag of creeds beliefs and practices, held however strongly or nominally.
What we *are not* is a nation that is either founded on, or which practices, Christian faith or practice in any but the most attenuated and nominal way. Not even that, frankly.
Our laws and institutions are modeled approximately on English ones, and intellectually are rooted in European Enlightenment political thought, especially that of the Scottish Enlightenment. Our laws are modeled on, and stand in the tradition of, English common law.
What we value and champion more than anything else is power and property. Not Christian values.
Speaking as a Christian, I do not recognize the United States as a Christian nation. And that causes me no problem at all, because Christian faith in my understanding is not in any way about political entities. Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, etc.
And IMO all of our lives would be much, much simpler if we would all recognize that. I’m not holding my breath.
No Christian nation holds kids in a dog pen. End of discussion, as far as I’m concerned.
Except “they lost” means someone made a law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
If there was one other thing I could wish for this country, it would be a clear definition of what the “exercise of religion” means.
I don’t think it means what you appear to think it means.
All that forced fasting that goes on for Christmss. No one was ever forced to participate, what happened was Christians were forced to stop, a little at a time. More each year. Yes it’s still huge, but only the secular parts.
Oddly, this isn’t very high on my hills to die on. Just sayin it’s not some imaginary complaint.
All that forced fasting that goes on for Christmss. No one was ever forced to participate, what happened was Christians were forced to stop, a little at a time. More each year. Yes it’s still huge, but only the secular parts.
Oddly, this isn’t very high on my hills to die on. Just sayin it’s not some imaginary complaint.
Either way, no right wing media person made this up.
yes, they did.
the outrage merchants at FoxNews inflated a handful of court cases in a goddamned “WAR ON CHRISTMAS” because their business model is all about keeping their audience furious at all times.
Either way, no right wing media person made this up.
yes, they did.
the outrage merchants at FoxNews inflated a handful of court cases in a goddamned “WAR ON CHRISTMAS” because their business model is all about keeping their audience furious at all times.
of court cases in a = of court cases into a
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It is an imaginary complaint because you assume there is a right to expend tax dollars on the majority’s favorite myth. There is not. It is expressly forbidden by the establishment clause.
What does establishment mean other than the use of government resources to perpetuate the myth?
It is an imaginary complaint because you assume there is a right to expend tax dollars on the majority’s favorite myth. There is not. It is expressly forbidden by the establishment clause.
What does establishment mean other than the use of government resources to perpetuate the myth?
you’d have quite a different view of this if children were being forced by the government to fast for Ramadan.
Precisely.
No lunches served in school, for a month. And if you bring one from home, you have to leave the premises if you want to eat it.
How’s that?
Anybody can celebrate Christmas if they like.
Anybody can pray in school or work or any public place, or read the Bible in school or work or any public place, if they like. Go find a quiet spot, open the book, read, and pray. People do it every day.
Anybody can observe any religious holiday they like. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan, Hindu, whatever.
We celebrate Diwali where I work, because there are a lot of South Asians there. And, we celebrate Christmas, everybody who feels like it decorates their cubicle. None of the engineers do, of course, because engineers. Everybody else does.
None of this is about the exercise of religion. It’s about group identity.
If you can’t make room for people who aren’t like you, your life is going to be one long, unending series of unnecessary conflicts.
Consider making room.
you’d have quite a different view of this if children were being forced by the government to fast for Ramadan.
Precisely.
No lunches served in school, for a month. And if you bring one from home, you have to leave the premises if you want to eat it.
How’s that?
Anybody can celebrate Christmas if they like.
Anybody can pray in school or work or any public place, or read the Bible in school or work or any public place, if they like. Go find a quiet spot, open the book, read, and pray. People do it every day.
Anybody can observe any religious holiday they like. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan, Hindu, whatever.
We celebrate Diwali where I work, because there are a lot of South Asians there. And, we celebrate Christmas, everybody who feels like it decorates their cubicle. None of the engineers do, of course, because engineers. Everybody else does.
None of this is about the exercise of religion. It’s about group identity.
If you can’t make room for people who aren’t like you, your life is going to be one long, unending series of unnecessary conflicts.
Consider making room.
Yes it’s still huge, but only the secular parts.
Couldn’t agree more. That’s not about liberals, it’s about money.
Yes it’s still huge, but only the secular parts.
Couldn’t agree more. That’s not about liberals, it’s about money.
Tom Lehrer nailed it long ago: Christmas is a celebration of commerce, not a christian holiday, here in America.
I hate to break it to Marty, but a “national holiday” like MLK’s birthday, the 4th of July, or his warred-upon Christmas, is nothing but an official day off for the government, the post office, and the banks.
The US is NOT a “christian nation” for the simple reason that “Christians” never could agree among themselves what “christian” means. When the Baptists of Danbury CT wrote to Thomas Jefferson, they were asking for protection from the Congregationalists, not from Muslims, Jews, or atheists.
–TP
Tom Lehrer nailed it long ago: Christmas is a celebration of commerce, not a christian holiday, here in America.
I hate to break it to Marty, but a “national holiday” like MLK’s birthday, the 4th of July, or his warred-upon Christmas, is nothing but an official day off for the government, the post office, and the banks.
The US is NOT a “christian nation” for the simple reason that “Christians” never could agree among themselves what “christian” means. When the Baptists of Danbury CT wrote to Thomas Jefferson, they were asking for protection from the Congregationalists, not from Muslims, Jews, or atheists.
–TP
No one was ever forced to participate
like most kids, i was forced to sing Christmas carols in school. and not just the secular “Jingle Bells” and “Rudolph” stuff, but all of them: “Oh Come All Ye Faithful”, “Away In A Manger”, “Go Tell It On The Mountain”, “Oh Holy Night”. nobody ever said “oh, these are just traditional songs” everyone knew they were about Christianity. even though i’ve been an atheist as long as i can remember, i never complained that it was kindof silly for me to be singing these songs because i knew i’d be punished if i did.
in 4th grade, we had to perform a musical about Noah’s Ark. i knew not to complain, even though i didn’t believe a word of it.
never once did we learn any Jewish songs for their holidays. i never asked the Jewish kids how they felt about that.
we were never required to sing any atheist songs.
XTC’s “Dear God” was a revelation.
i sometimes wondered if i’d be punished for singing but not believing – since it’s a lie to pretend to celebrate something you don’t believe in. but nobody ever asked, because who would be crazy enough to not believe in Jesus?
every other Tuesday, 75% of my elementary class would leave for the afternoon to go to “church school”. the rest of us just sat there quietly for three hours, doing literally nothing.
no meat on Friday in school cafeterias. not a big deal, i liked the fish sticks! but it was yet another reminder that the school (hence the government) was spending its time and money enforcing Christianity on us.
No one was ever forced to participate
like most kids, i was forced to sing Christmas carols in school. and not just the secular “Jingle Bells” and “Rudolph” stuff, but all of them: “Oh Come All Ye Faithful”, “Away In A Manger”, “Go Tell It On The Mountain”, “Oh Holy Night”. nobody ever said “oh, these are just traditional songs” everyone knew they were about Christianity. even though i’ve been an atheist as long as i can remember, i never complained that it was kindof silly for me to be singing these songs because i knew i’d be punished if i did.
in 4th grade, we had to perform a musical about Noah’s Ark. i knew not to complain, even though i didn’t believe a word of it.
never once did we learn any Jewish songs for their holidays. i never asked the Jewish kids how they felt about that.
we were never required to sing any atheist songs.
XTC’s “Dear God” was a revelation.
i sometimes wondered if i’d be punished for singing but not believing – since it’s a lie to pretend to celebrate something you don’t believe in. but nobody ever asked, because who would be crazy enough to not believe in Jesus?
every other Tuesday, 75% of my elementary class would leave for the afternoon to go to “church school”. the rest of us just sat there quietly for three hours, doing literally nothing.
no meat on Friday in school cafeterias. not a big deal, i liked the fish sticks! but it was yet another reminder that the school (hence the government) was spending its time and money enforcing Christianity on us.
Consider making room.
Never is a problem. I haven’t raised a single complaint ever about celebrating other holidays. Those complaints are a one way street.
Consider making room.
Never is a problem. I haven’t raised a single complaint ever about celebrating other holidays. Those complaints are a one way street.
Interestingly to me, I was just visiting the Pantheon in Rome. 700 years after Christ, Christians removed all of the religious items of other gods (the pan part of pantheon), and replaced them with their own, and it has been a christian church since. They even made all the American tourists take off their hats.
So I guess the intolerance for other religious displays is not new the the church. I guess not surprising given the 1st and 2nd commandments.
Though the images of Mary and Martyrs seem like graven images of worship to me, but what do I know.
Interestingly to me, I was just visiting the Pantheon in Rome. 700 years after Christ, Christians removed all of the religious items of other gods (the pan part of pantheon), and replaced them with their own, and it has been a christian church since. They even made all the American tourists take off their hats.
So I guess the intolerance for other religious displays is not new the the church. I guess not surprising given the 1st and 2nd commandments.
Though the images of Mary and Martyrs seem like graven images of worship to me, but what do I know.
Or accommodating Christianity, fish sticks could have been served on Tuesday, got saved for Friday. Some of those songs are beautiful. Never knew anyone punished for not singing them.
Or accommodating Christianity, fish sticks could have been served on Tuesday, got saved for Friday. Some of those songs are beautiful. Never knew anyone punished for not singing them.
Misread that as Marty and the Matyrs, jrudkis.
Fine name for a band.
Misread that as Marty and the Matyrs, jrudkis.
Fine name for a band.
And yet, they were required by law to attend a public school, paid for by taxes…
There’s your problem. 🙂
And yet, they were required by law to attend a public school, paid for by taxes…
There’s your problem. 🙂
I’m not understanding the animosity towards Avenatti. He’s by no means my first choice as a Presidential candidate
I have none towards him, as an advocate. He seems rather good at it.
And his heart seems in the right place, though his political judgment is questionable.
As a candidate, I think he’d be a disaster.
I’m not understanding the animosity towards Avenatti. He’s by no means my first choice as a Presidential candidate
I have none towards him, as an advocate. He seems rather good at it.
And his heart seems in the right place, though his political judgment is questionable.
As a candidate, I think he’d be a disaster.
Isn’t the fish thing on Friday only Catholic? That is closer to an establishment of a specific sect of Christianity (and in my baptist youth, would not have been considered christian at all).
Isn’t the fish thing on Friday only Catholic? That is closer to an establishment of a specific sect of Christianity (and in my baptist youth, would not have been considered christian at all).
fish on Friday – no it was religious. my town was heavily Catholic. the church school thing was Catholic, too.
fish on Friday – no it was religious. my town was heavily Catholic. the church school thing was Catholic, too.
“In fact, nothing in the current litany of complaints begins to rise to the level of the outright bans on Christmas celebrations that marked the colonial period, or the official discouragement of the holiday that prevailed in parts of the country much later. Nor do modern spats over the holiday begin to compare to the sectarian violence that once marked Christmas celebrations. When was the last time that somebody was fined or clubbed for enjoying the holiday in public, let alone on private property?”
There is a War on Christmas—In the History Books: The holiday has been surprisingly strife-torn since America’s beginning. But today’s controversies don’t begin to compare to the colonial-era ban.
“In fact, nothing in the current litany of complaints begins to rise to the level of the outright bans on Christmas celebrations that marked the colonial period, or the official discouragement of the holiday that prevailed in parts of the country much later. Nor do modern spats over the holiday begin to compare to the sectarian violence that once marked Christmas celebrations. When was the last time that somebody was fined or clubbed for enjoying the holiday in public, let alone on private property?”
There is a War on Christmas—In the History Books: The holiday has been surprisingly strife-torn since America’s beginning. But today’s controversies don’t begin to compare to the colonial-era ban.
Trump: ‘Anybody who votes for a Democrat now is crazy’
“Let’s get these people out of there,” Trump said on Friday of elected Democrats. “There’s something wrong. They’re cuckoo.”
It’s really classic (definitely not to be confused with classy!) Trump: take your own flaws and accuse others of them.
Trump: ‘Anybody who votes for a Democrat now is crazy’
“Let’s get these people out of there,” Trump said on Friday of elected Democrats. “There’s something wrong. They’re cuckoo.”
It’s really classic (definitely not to be confused with classy!) Trump: take your own flaws and accuse others of them.
I missed this…
https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2018/09/285861.htm
In his own way, Pompeo is almost as big a liar about Saudi Arabia as Trump.
I missed this…
https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2018/09/285861.htm
In his own way, Pompeo is almost as big a liar about Saudi Arabia as Trump.
As a candidate, I think he’d be a disaster.
Maybe. Not willing to predict who would be best able to win in 2020 though, so I’m trying to withhold negative judgments until then. A lot rests on how we do in two weeks.
As a candidate, I think he’d be a disaster.
Maybe. Not willing to predict who would be best able to win in 2020 though, so I’m trying to withhold negative judgments until then. A lot rests on how we do in two weeks.
Thanks for answering my question, Marty.
I have to say that if that’s all your evidence for a ‘War on Chistmas’, it’s pretty weak sauce.
Thanks for answering my question, Marty.
I have to say that if that’s all your evidence for a ‘War on Chistmas’, it’s pretty weak sauce.
Trump – Saudi story is ‘credible’.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/412354-trump-calls-saudi-explanation-for-journalists-death-credible-arrests
An apologist for murderers.
Trump – Saudi story is ‘credible’.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/412354-trump-calls-saudi-explanation-for-journalists-death-credible-arrests
An apologist for murderers.
Meanwhile, out in the wider world, this
That would be the same Saudi government which earlier insisted that he left the embassy. Interesting that they seem to be saying that they mostly can’t get a straight story out of their own embassy personnel — because a fist fight with fatality could hardly have escaped — notice. (Or maybe they just figure nobody’s memory runs back more than 24 hours.)
Trump seems determined to just give them a pass. But it looks increasingly like he won’t get his wish on this. Even from congressional Republicans.
Meanwhile, out in the wider world, this
That would be the same Saudi government which earlier insisted that he left the embassy. Interesting that they seem to be saying that they mostly can’t get a straight story out of their own embassy personnel — because a fist fight with fatality could hardly have escaped — notice. (Or maybe they just figure nobody’s memory runs back more than 24 hours.)
Trump seems determined to just give them a pass. But it looks increasingly like he won’t get his wish on this. Even from congressional Republicans.
Dang! Nigel beat me to it. 🙁
Dang! Nigel beat me to it. 🙁
This
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/saudi-claims-that-khashoggi-died-in-a-brawl-draw-immediate-skepticism/2018/10/19/e10d4186-d3ef-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html
Well, that’s playing Trump properly. Make him worry that he’ll look weak. Maybe even better than flattery for getting him to do something.
This
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/saudi-claims-that-khashoggi-died-in-a-brawl-draw-immediate-skepticism/2018/10/19/e10d4186-d3ef-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html
Well, that’s playing Trump properly. Make him worry that he’ll look weak. Maybe even better than flattery for getting him to do something.
, saying he died during a fistfight
Well, when you bring your fist to a knife fight…
, saying he died during a fistfight
Well, when you bring your fist to a knife fight…
It’s ok Nigel, without going back I dont remember the question. But a Christian in the US, particularly a nonpolitical one, can experience lots of little insults in the course of daily life. Not uniquely. So there isn’t an answer that points to one big thing.
It’s ok Nigel, without going back I dont remember the question. But a Christian in the US, particularly a nonpolitical one, can experience lots of little insults in the course of daily life. Not uniquely. So there isn’t an answer that points to one big thing.
a Christian in the US, particularly a nonpolitical one, can experience lots of little insults in the course of daily life
Forgive me for asking, but where in the US have you experienced this? I ask because here in northern California, a quite liberal and secular region, I haven’t seen anything like that.
Not that there are no bigots, on behalf of a variety of religions, philosophies, etc. Because of course there are. But insults in the normal course of daily life? Not so’s you would notice. Leading me to wonder where you’ve experienced this.
a Christian in the US, particularly a nonpolitical one, can experience lots of little insults in the course of daily life
Forgive me for asking, but where in the US have you experienced this? I ask because here in northern California, a quite liberal and secular region, I haven’t seen anything like that.
Not that there are no bigots, on behalf of a variety of religions, philosophies, etc. Because of course there are. But insults in the normal course of daily life? Not so’s you would notice. Leading me to wonder where you’ve experienced this.
cleek,
I sympathize like you wouldn’t believe, if you’ll pardon the expression.
My particular annoyance is not with Americans but with Greeks, and not with Christmas but with Easter. In a really Christian country like Greece, Easter is a much bigger deal. Anybody can get himself born; it’s getting himself resurrected that’s the real trick, theologically speaking. So, around the spring equinox, in Greece itself and in the Greek diaspora, everybody goes around greeting you with “Christos anesti” (“Christ is risen”) and you are expected to respond “Alithos anesti” (“Truly risen”) because, you know, tradition!
I doubt Marty is Greek Orthodox. I suspect he’s one of those schismatics and heretics who call themselves Catholic or Protestant. Protestants, especially, tend to come from northern climes — where the winter solstice seems more dramatic and thus more significant than Easter. Still, I wonder how long before the War on Easter becomes a thing with his ilk.
–TP
cleek,
I sympathize like you wouldn’t believe, if you’ll pardon the expression.
My particular annoyance is not with Americans but with Greeks, and not with Christmas but with Easter. In a really Christian country like Greece, Easter is a much bigger deal. Anybody can get himself born; it’s getting himself resurrected that’s the real trick, theologically speaking. So, around the spring equinox, in Greece itself and in the Greek diaspora, everybody goes around greeting you with “Christos anesti” (“Christ is risen”) and you are expected to respond “Alithos anesti” (“Truly risen”) because, you know, tradition!
I doubt Marty is Greek Orthodox. I suspect he’s one of those schismatics and heretics who call themselves Catholic or Protestant. Protestants, especially, tend to come from northern climes — where the winter solstice seems more dramatic and thus more significant than Easter. Still, I wonder how long before the War on Easter becomes a thing with his ilk.
–TP
can experience lots of little insults in the course of daily life.
Like those microaggressions marginalized groups talk about, and conservatives get all bent out of shape that someone complains about it?
can experience lots of little insults in the course of daily life.
Like those microaggressions marginalized groups talk about, and conservatives get all bent out of shape that someone complains about it?
wj. I spend a lot of my time in Massachusetts and it is absolutely socially acceptable to joke about how stupid Christians are, depending on the company sometimes more subtly implied. When I’m in Florida it is less often or open.
wj. I spend a lot of my time in Massachusetts and it is absolutely socially acceptable to joke about how stupid Christians are, depending on the company sometimes more subtly implied. When I’m in Florida it is less often or open.
I spend a lot of my time in Massachusetts and it is absolutely socially acceptable to joke about how stupid Christians are
I live in MA, and have done so for about 40 years of my life.
MA is not the south. Religious faith and practice is, basically, a private matter in MA. People don’t talk all that much about their church attendance, or their personal religious beliefs. There is no assumption that anyone attends church, or any religious observance, at all, or that one even has any particular religious affiliation at all.
It’s your private business.
It is common for people in MA to disparage the kind of evangelical Christian practice that is common in other parts of the country, and less so here. Publicly, and with a kind of assumption that whoever they are talking to is likely to share their negative opinion of that style of Christian worship.
Because that style of Christian worship is, by and large, out of step with cultural norms in MA, and in a lot of New England.
By the standards of this region, your religious affiliation is basically your private business, and it’s seen as kind of unseemly to go on about it publicly.
I’m sure if you come here from other parts of the country that can seem hostile. Just like, if I go to other parts of the country, people like me are, commonly and publicly, disparaged in ways that I could receive as hostile.
But when I do that, I don’t receive it as hostile, I just figure it’s people blabbing away in a sort of unreflective way, and in the process exposing their personal petty prejudices and predispositions.
I don’t take it personally, because I don’t have a thin skin.
Like those microaggressions marginalized groups talk about, and conservatives get all bent out of shape that someone complains about it?
Q.E.D.
I spend a lot of my time in Massachusetts and it is absolutely socially acceptable to joke about how stupid Christians are
I live in MA, and have done so for about 40 years of my life.
MA is not the south. Religious faith and practice is, basically, a private matter in MA. People don’t talk all that much about their church attendance, or their personal religious beliefs. There is no assumption that anyone attends church, or any religious observance, at all, or that one even has any particular religious affiliation at all.
It’s your private business.
It is common for people in MA to disparage the kind of evangelical Christian practice that is common in other parts of the country, and less so here. Publicly, and with a kind of assumption that whoever they are talking to is likely to share their negative opinion of that style of Christian worship.
Because that style of Christian worship is, by and large, out of step with cultural norms in MA, and in a lot of New England.
By the standards of this region, your religious affiliation is basically your private business, and it’s seen as kind of unseemly to go on about it publicly.
I’m sure if you come here from other parts of the country that can seem hostile. Just like, if I go to other parts of the country, people like me are, commonly and publicly, disparaged in ways that I could receive as hostile.
But when I do that, I don’t receive it as hostile, I just figure it’s people blabbing away in a sort of unreflective way, and in the process exposing their personal petty prejudices and predispositions.
I don’t take it personally, because I don’t have a thin skin.
Like those microaggressions marginalized groups talk about, and conservatives get all bent out of shape that someone complains about it?
Q.E.D.
a Trump adviser said “Trump’s inclination is not to ruin the relationship”.
this is the brave, bold, leadership we’ve come to expect.
truly, Trump is a man of deep principles. laudable. the best, really. tremendous.
a Trump adviser said “Trump’s inclination is not to ruin the relationship”.
this is the brave, bold, leadership we’ve come to expect.
truly, Trump is a man of deep principles. laudable. the best, really. tremendous.
To Nigel’s point, way way way upthread, yes, I recognize what the author of the Atlantic piece is saying.
But I don’t really need suggestions to “think long and hard about this”. If people are confused about whether to call someone Jewish, or a Jew, or whether to call someone black, or Afro-American, to the point where they are going to *change who they vote for* because the confusion is just too much for them, I am really and truly at a loss as to what I, personally, or anyone with my social values is going to do to change that.
I suspect that people’s choices of who to vote for is not really going to turn on things like that. To the degree that folks say they are, I suspect they are being less than candid.
People own their own decisions.
Thanks for the link, though.
To Nigel’s point, way way way upthread, yes, I recognize what the author of the Atlantic piece is saying.
But I don’t really need suggestions to “think long and hard about this”. If people are confused about whether to call someone Jewish, or a Jew, or whether to call someone black, or Afro-American, to the point where they are going to *change who they vote for* because the confusion is just too much for them, I am really and truly at a loss as to what I, personally, or anyone with my social values is going to do to change that.
I suspect that people’s choices of who to vote for is not really going to turn on things like that. To the degree that folks say they are, I suspect they are being less than candid.
People own their own decisions.
Thanks for the link, though.
Kashoggi lost a fistfight.
With a guy who was carrying a bone saw.
Kashoggi lost a fistfight.
With a guy who was carrying a bone saw.
I wonder how long before the War on Easter becomes a thing with his ilk.
FoxNews is trying!
http://insider.foxnews.com/tag/war-easter
I wonder how long before the War on Easter becomes a thing with his ilk.
FoxNews is trying!
http://insider.foxnews.com/tag/war-easter
I couldn’t get russell’s link way upthread, even when re-posted by lj, and now I’ve just got the same message again when I try to click cleek’s link: Your Connection is not Private! with a Back to Safety button. You IT types might know what to do in a case like that, but I don’t. I hope this isn’t something that’s going to keep happening!
I couldn’t get russell’s link way upthread, even when re-posted by lj, and now I’ve just got the same message again when I try to click cleek’s link: Your Connection is not Private! with a Back to Safety button. You IT types might know what to do in a case like that, but I don’t. I hope this isn’t something that’s going to keep happening!
try it without the https
http://insider.foxnews.com/tag/war-easter
try it without the https
http://insider.foxnews.com/tag/war-easter
A bit late as usual but I find this cartoon a classic on the topic:
https://pics.me.me/organized-ichool-intended-dont-think-out-of-handung-the-goat-18522011.png
Concerning Friday fish: Over here in Germany most cantinas (school, university, companies, public agencies etc.) have a fish option on Friday. Most people do not even know that it had a religious connotation once.
What has caused an uproar some time ago was a proposal to have a mandatory day a week without a meat option in cantinas (and this proposal came not from organized vegans or Eastern religionists but from a Green Party politician).
A bit late as usual but I find this cartoon a classic on the topic:
https://pics.me.me/organized-ichool-intended-dont-think-out-of-handung-the-goat-18522011.png
Concerning Friday fish: Over here in Germany most cantinas (school, university, companies, public agencies etc.) have a fish option on Friday. Most people do not even know that it had a religious connotation once.
What has caused an uproar some time ago was a proposal to have a mandatory day a week without a meat option in cantinas (and this proposal came not from organized vegans or Eastern religionists but from a Green Party politician).
“this proposal came not from organized vegans or Eastern religionists but from a Green Party politician”
My son and several of the people he knows dont et meat simply to lower their carbon footprint. So that makes sense.
“this proposal came not from organized vegans or Eastern religionists but from a Green Party politician”
My son and several of the people he knows dont et meat simply to lower their carbon footprint. So that makes sense.
try it without the https
Thanks, cleek, that worked. Now you mentioned it, I remembered that when I first got my new computer I couldn’t easily get onto ObWi, and Michael Cain (I think) advised to drop the final s of https, which I did, and which worked. But that explained why, ever since then, ObWi has appeared as Not Secure in the address bar. But once I remembered that now, I just reinstated the s, and hey presto! ObWi is secure again, and I think I now know how to look at links (I’m going back up to find the russell one).
try it without the https
Thanks, cleek, that worked. Now you mentioned it, I remembered that when I first got my new computer I couldn’t easily get onto ObWi, and Michael Cain (I think) advised to drop the final s of https, which I did, and which worked. But that explained why, ever since then, ObWi has appeared as Not Secure in the address bar. But once I remembered that now, I just reinstated the s, and hey presto! ObWi is secure again, and I think I now know how to look at links (I’m going back up to find the russell one).
OK wow, being able to look at the first draft of that NYT piece on the Khashoggi murder was a real eye-opener. Thanks russell. (Also, I knew really that you had no established religion, but it was important to be reminded).
OK wow, being able to look at the first draft of that NYT piece on the Khashoggi murder was a real eye-opener. Thanks russell. (Also, I knew really that you had no established religion, but it was important to be reminded).
I spend a lot of my time in Massachusetts and it is absolutely socially acceptable to joke about how stupid Christians are,
I don’t know, sometimes it would seem that the jokes write themselves.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/pat-robertson-khashoggi.html
The Baptist version of the 5th commandment is “Thou shalt not kill unless the murderer has a big arms deal in the pipeline”
I spend a lot of my time in Massachusetts and it is absolutely socially acceptable to joke about how stupid Christians are,
I don’t know, sometimes it would seem that the jokes write themselves.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/pat-robertson-khashoggi.html
The Baptist version of the 5th commandment is “Thou shalt not kill unless the murderer has a big arms deal in the pipeline”
Happy Easter!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8TSvMx2wPI
A lady friend and I visited a Halloween Haunted House of the Dead last week. It was less creepy and haunting, which is my preferred scare, and more just human carnage in an abattoir … the actors, missing body parts, jumping out at you and grring and chasing you down smoky hallways into the arms of a guy wielding a screaming chainsaw, that sort of thing.
But as we exited a pretty girl attendant looked at us with a 100-watt smile and said “Happy Halloween!!”, and I resisted stopping and asking HER back what the hell was so “happy” about it, not that I care.
Not “merry” either”.
Am I mistaken, or did Marty at least infer up thread that preventing observant Christians from their fasting is a thing now?
What, did they feel chastised when they didn’t order dessert at a restaurant, or what?
By what means are these people prevented from fasting?
Is it forced feeding thru a funnel like our good Christian boys do to the Muslims at Guantanamo, or what?
I recently saw a picture of President Beelzebub flanked by photos of the devout Falwell Jr. to one side and Stormy Daniels to the other. The lady was wearing a Christian cross around her neck; there was no sign of Christianity in anything the vicious fuck Falwell was saying in the text, but I was impressed that His Honour, the Prez was at least wearing trousers, unlike some of the his dickless Supreme Court nominees.
I don’t know if anyone can tell, ha ha, but I’m about as politically incorrect as a guy can get, so let me say that this nonsense republicans and conservatives spout about hurtful political correctness on the part of the Left, whatever that is, is rank pig shit.
Get over it.
When I was a kid in some corners of my family, not my parents, and with a few of my friends, if you didn’t use the terms “nigger” and “Jewboy”, you were considered “politically INcorrect”.
Demonizing the Other by this country’s dominant culture has been THE Politically Correct behavior since Day One.
Born a Protestant, in a Christian family, I had a high school girlfriend who was raised in a Catholic family, last time I looked a branch of Christianity, and I couldn’t invite her to dinner at my grandparents because my paternal grandmother, a sweet woman in every other way, was basically Martin Luther (THERE was a politically correct guy, according to the Pope) in a shawl and a hairnet and would not have cared for the catholicity of the circumstance.
Good thing my girlfriend didn’t make it to Christmas dinner, because my grandfather’s habit while carving the turkey at the head of the table was to raise the serving fork on which was impaled the Pope’s Nose, that delicious flap of flesh right above the poop chute on your common holiday bird and tell us he would arm wrestle the grandsons over who got the privilege of consuming the morsel.
Ya know who has been politically correct in America since Day One: EVERY CONSERVATIVE, which means all of the white Christian men, including me, who were created equal, all OTHERS to the back of the bus, according to the founding texts, which were so loaded with unintentional loopholes that the troublemakers could make some headway, glacially.
Exceptional politically INcorrect American individuals off the top of my head: Abigail Adams, Abe Lincoln, John Brown, Frederick Douglas, Jackie Robinson, Bayard Rustin (two ways), Emma Goldman, Walt Whitman, Russell Means, Philip Roth.
So don’t try to turn this around, conservatives.
Don’t try to kid a kidder.
Happy Easter!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8TSvMx2wPI
A lady friend and I visited a Halloween Haunted House of the Dead last week. It was less creepy and haunting, which is my preferred scare, and more just human carnage in an abattoir … the actors, missing body parts, jumping out at you and grring and chasing you down smoky hallways into the arms of a guy wielding a screaming chainsaw, that sort of thing.
But as we exited a pretty girl attendant looked at us with a 100-watt smile and said “Happy Halloween!!”, and I resisted stopping and asking HER back what the hell was so “happy” about it, not that I care.
Not “merry” either”.
Am I mistaken, or did Marty at least infer up thread that preventing observant Christians from their fasting is a thing now?
What, did they feel chastised when they didn’t order dessert at a restaurant, or what?
By what means are these people prevented from fasting?
Is it forced feeding thru a funnel like our good Christian boys do to the Muslims at Guantanamo, or what?
I recently saw a picture of President Beelzebub flanked by photos of the devout Falwell Jr. to one side and Stormy Daniels to the other. The lady was wearing a Christian cross around her neck; there was no sign of Christianity in anything the vicious fuck Falwell was saying in the text, but I was impressed that His Honour, the Prez was at least wearing trousers, unlike some of the his dickless Supreme Court nominees.
I don’t know if anyone can tell, ha ha, but I’m about as politically incorrect as a guy can get, so let me say that this nonsense republicans and conservatives spout about hurtful political correctness on the part of the Left, whatever that is, is rank pig shit.
Get over it.
When I was a kid in some corners of my family, not my parents, and with a few of my friends, if you didn’t use the terms “nigger” and “Jewboy”, you were considered “politically INcorrect”.
Demonizing the Other by this country’s dominant culture has been THE Politically Correct behavior since Day One.
Born a Protestant, in a Christian family, I had a high school girlfriend who was raised in a Catholic family, last time I looked a branch of Christianity, and I couldn’t invite her to dinner at my grandparents because my paternal grandmother, a sweet woman in every other way, was basically Martin Luther (THERE was a politically correct guy, according to the Pope) in a shawl and a hairnet and would not have cared for the catholicity of the circumstance.
Good thing my girlfriend didn’t make it to Christmas dinner, because my grandfather’s habit while carving the turkey at the head of the table was to raise the serving fork on which was impaled the Pope’s Nose, that delicious flap of flesh right above the poop chute on your common holiday bird and tell us he would arm wrestle the grandsons over who got the privilege of consuming the morsel.
Ya know who has been politically correct in America since Day One: EVERY CONSERVATIVE, which means all of the white Christian men, including me, who were created equal, all OTHERS to the back of the bus, according to the founding texts, which were so loaded with unintentional loopholes that the troublemakers could make some headway, glacially.
Exceptional politically INcorrect American individuals off the top of my head: Abigail Adams, Abe Lincoln, John Brown, Frederick Douglas, Jackie Robinson, Bayard Rustin (two ways), Emma Goldman, Walt Whitman, Russell Means, Philip Roth.
So don’t try to turn this around, conservatives.
Don’t try to kid a kidder.
A rabbi, a Hindu, and a Protestant walk into a bar carrying a canoe. The Irish Catholic proprietor slams down his bar towel and sez: ????
A rabbi, a Hindu, and a Protestant walk into a bar carrying a canoe. The Irish Catholic proprietor slams down his bar towel and sez: ????
Happy Halloween!
And how many of those celebrating have a clue that All Hallows Eve (the uncorrupted name) is the evening before All Saints Day?
Christmas and Easter (aka Spring Break) aren’t the only Christian holy days to get the religion bleached out. But Halloween is so far gone that even the folks who are determined to feel victimized don’t know it happened.
Happy Halloween!
And how many of those celebrating have a clue that All Hallows Eve (the uncorrupted name) is the evening before All Saints Day?
Christmas and Easter (aka Spring Break) aren’t the only Christian holy days to get the religion bleached out. But Halloween is so far gone that even the folks who are determined to feel victimized don’t know it happened.
Yes, I heard Robertson spew on NPR yesterday.
So many knowledgeable people in the country, and they shove a mic in front of that troublesome psychopath’s lying gob?
Yes, I heard Robertson spew on NPR yesterday.
So many knowledgeable people in the country, and they shove a mic in front of that troublesome psychopath’s lying gob?
Speaking of political correctness: it is politically INcorrect to “take a knee” during the national anthem. He, Trump and his lickspittles are all FOR political correctness on that score.
It is politically INcorrect to suggest that America’s soldiers (the politically correct designation being “our troops”) are always “fighting for our freedom” no matter what misbegotten mission they are assigned. The politically correct thing is to always say, to any armed civil servant, “Thank you for your service”. No right-winger will ever complain about that bit of political correctness.
BTW, don’t ever thank a civil servant for working in the IRS, or the CDC, or NOAA, or EPA, within earshot of a right-winger — you’ll be branded “politically correct” before you can spit.
And not to forget the private sector: the politically correct term for your boss is “job creator”. Just ask any RWNJ anti-political-correctness snowflake.
–TP
Speaking of political correctness: it is politically INcorrect to “take a knee” during the national anthem. He, Trump and his lickspittles are all FOR political correctness on that score.
It is politically INcorrect to suggest that America’s soldiers (the politically correct designation being “our troops”) are always “fighting for our freedom” no matter what misbegotten mission they are assigned. The politically correct thing is to always say, to any armed civil servant, “Thank you for your service”. No right-winger will ever complain about that bit of political correctness.
BTW, don’t ever thank a civil servant for working in the IRS, or the CDC, or NOAA, or EPA, within earshot of a right-winger — you’ll be branded “politically correct” before you can spit.
And not to forget the private sector: the politically correct term for your boss is “job creator”. Just ask any RWNJ anti-political-correctness snowflake.
–TP
Why are Chinese restaurants open on Christmas Day?
Why are Chinese restaurants open on Christmas Day?
Why are Chinese restaurants open on Christmas Day?
Much the same reason as (moderately) orthodox Jews hiring a Christian (or at least not Jewish) driver for getting around on Saturdays. It can be handy, sometimes, to have someone of another religion available.
Why are Chinese restaurants open on Christmas Day?
Much the same reason as (moderately) orthodox Jews hiring a Christian (or at least not Jewish) driver for getting around on Saturdays. It can be handy, sometimes, to have someone of another religion available.
TP Hmmm, that may have something to do with the fact that their job descriptions, in general, dont involve being willing to die.
TP Hmmm, that may have something to do with the fact that their job descriptions, in general, dont involve being willing to die.
I’ve not really understood Marty’s complaint. He wants no one to say anything to hurt the very sensitive feelings of oppressed Christians, and he wants the courts to stop enforcing the Establishment Clause. OK, noted. Now, what’s he going to do to stop the disaster of Trump and his enablers?
I’ve not really understood Marty’s complaint. He wants no one to say anything to hurt the very sensitive feelings of oppressed Christians, and he wants the courts to stop enforcing the Establishment Clause. OK, noted. Now, what’s he going to do to stop the disaster of Trump and his enablers?
I’m thinking this thread should be converted into jokes about Christians.
Why don’t Baptists have sex standing up?
It’s too much like dancing.
Took my dog to a Baptist preacher who also did dog training. When I got the dog back, I checked out the commands. I said sit, the dog sat. I said roll over, the dog rolled over. I said play dead, the dog dropped down and stuck his feet up in the air. But when I said heel, the dog jumped up, put both his paws on my forehead and started howling…
Pirates have three priests, a Dominican, a Franciscan and a Jesuit and they have them walk the plank as the sharks circle below. FIrst goes the Dominican and the sharks tear him apart. Then the Franciscan, same result. Then the Jesuit falls into the water and the sharks start circling around him. One of the pirates says ‘It’s a miracle’. Another pirate replies ‘no, professional courtesy…’
I’m thinking this thread should be converted into jokes about Christians.
Why don’t Baptists have sex standing up?
It’s too much like dancing.
Took my dog to a Baptist preacher who also did dog training. When I got the dog back, I checked out the commands. I said sit, the dog sat. I said roll over, the dog rolled over. I said play dead, the dog dropped down and stuck his feet up in the air. But when I said heel, the dog jumped up, put both his paws on my forehead and started howling…
Pirates have three priests, a Dominican, a Franciscan and a Jesuit and they have them walk the plank as the sharks circle below. FIrst goes the Dominican and the sharks tear him apart. Then the Franciscan, same result. Then the Jesuit falls into the water and the sharks start circling around him. One of the pirates says ‘It’s a miracle’. Another pirate replies ‘no, professional courtesy…’
Why are Christians grateful that Jesus was crucified instead of stoned to death?
–TP
Why are Christians grateful that Jesus was crucified instead of stoned to death?
–TP
So they didn’t have to use up any of the rocks in their heads?
So they didn’t have to use up any of the rocks in their heads?
how many of those celebrating have a clue that All Hallows Eve (the uncorrupted name) is the evening before All Saints Day?
And the choice of date was a medieval re-purposing of pagan Samhain.
I’m thinking this thread should be converted into jokes about Christians.
A joke from Bible College days:
You know, at that other Bible College, they make boys and girls who are dating stay 6 inches away from each other.
And that only leaves me two good inches!
— rimshot! —
The preachers’ kids were the worst.
how many of those celebrating have a clue that All Hallows Eve (the uncorrupted name) is the evening before All Saints Day?
And the choice of date was a medieval re-purposing of pagan Samhain.
I’m thinking this thread should be converted into jokes about Christians.
A joke from Bible College days:
You know, at that other Bible College, they make boys and girls who are dating stay 6 inches away from each other.
And that only leaves me two good inches!
— rimshot! —
The preachers’ kids were the worst.
I disagree that “Halloween” is a corrupted name. “Een” is just as good a contraction of “Evening” as is “Eve”,
I disagree that “Halloween” is a corrupted name. “Een” is just as good a contraction of “Evening” as is “Eve”,
Close, Count
Why are Christians grateful that Jesus was crucified instead of stoned to death?
Because they get to do this [cross yourself] instead of this [pummel head with fists] in church.
It works better as a sight gag.
Now, Marty, about unarmed civil servants: … their job descriptions, in general, dont involve being willing to die.
A few things:
1) We train soldiers to kill, not to die. It’s true that infantrymen in Iraq, Afghanistan, Niger and so on do put their lives in danger; we know that all too well around here. But the hero commanding a Predator drone from a desk in Omaha? the brave navigator on the USS Nimitz? the fearless supply sergeant at Camp Lejeune? Not so much.
2) “Defending our freedom” is patently not always and unquestionably the mission of even the foot-soldiers who risk their lives in far-flung places. “Support the troops” is how right-wingers say “put them in harm’s way”; politically incorrect libruls would rather support “the troops” by NOT sending them off to be shot at.
3) The less said about cops whose instinct is to shoot at anyone they even imagine to be a threat to them and lie about it afterwards, the better.
4) Protecting We the People from government bankruptcy, contagious diseases, unforeseen storms, poisoned air and water, and various other potential constraints on our freedom is a thankless job; we should fix that.
And not for nothing: a crowd chanting “Lock her up!” is a mob; people demonstrating against separating kids from their parents, or against confirming a liar and lickspittle to the SCOTUS, are not. A POTUS who rails against “taking a knee” at a football game is a mob boss. But a mob boss who cuts your taxes is acceptable to some people, whether or not he sides with assholes who body-slam reporters, with criminals who butcher columnists, or with Putin and his kleptocrats.
I don’t want Avenatti to run against He, Trump and his League of Deplorable Gentlemen. He’s too soft-spoken.
–TP
Close, Count
Why are Christians grateful that Jesus was crucified instead of stoned to death?
Because they get to do this [cross yourself] instead of this [pummel head with fists] in church.
It works better as a sight gag.
Now, Marty, about unarmed civil servants: … their job descriptions, in general, dont involve being willing to die.
A few things:
1) We train soldiers to kill, not to die. It’s true that infantrymen in Iraq, Afghanistan, Niger and so on do put their lives in danger; we know that all too well around here. But the hero commanding a Predator drone from a desk in Omaha? the brave navigator on the USS Nimitz? the fearless supply sergeant at Camp Lejeune? Not so much.
2) “Defending our freedom” is patently not always and unquestionably the mission of even the foot-soldiers who risk their lives in far-flung places. “Support the troops” is how right-wingers say “put them in harm’s way”; politically incorrect libruls would rather support “the troops” by NOT sending them off to be shot at.
3) The less said about cops whose instinct is to shoot at anyone they even imagine to be a threat to them and lie about it afterwards, the better.
4) Protecting We the People from government bankruptcy, contagious diseases, unforeseen storms, poisoned air and water, and various other potential constraints on our freedom is a thankless job; we should fix that.
And not for nothing: a crowd chanting “Lock her up!” is a mob; people demonstrating against separating kids from their parents, or against confirming a liar and lickspittle to the SCOTUS, are not. A POTUS who rails against “taking a knee” at a football game is a mob boss. But a mob boss who cuts your taxes is acceptable to some people, whether or not he sides with assholes who body-slam reporters, with criminals who butcher columnists, or with Putin and his kleptocrats.
I don’t want Avenatti to run against He, Trump and his League of Deplorable Gentlemen. He’s too soft-spoken.
–TP
that may have something to do with the fact that their job descriptions, in general, dont involve being willing to die.
If somebody’s job doesn’t put them at risk of death, it’s inappropriate to thank them for their service?
that may have something to do with the fact that their job descriptions, in general, dont involve being willing to die.
If somebody’s job doesn’t put them at risk of death, it’s inappropriate to thank them for their service?
Why are Chinese restaurants open on Christmas Day?
In case Bumpus’s dogs get the turkey.
Why are Chinese restaurants open on Christmas Day?
In case Bumpus’s dogs get the turkey.
sonsabitchesBumpusses
sonsabitchesBumpusses
russell, it’s amazing to have this discussion. Every one of those other people gets paid a living wage to do a job, get up every morning, go to work, come home in the evening, with twenty years they have a retirement plan.
Trying to compare working a union job at the EPA and serving in the military is insulting and typical.
Yes, every job in the military is not in harm’s way, but every person in the military could be assigned to a job that is.
Law enforcement, of course, also deserves our thanks and respect.
russell, it’s amazing to have this discussion. Every one of those other people gets paid a living wage to do a job, get up every morning, go to work, come home in the evening, with twenty years they have a retirement plan.
Trying to compare working a union job at the EPA and serving in the military is insulting and typical.
Yes, every job in the military is not in harm’s way, but every person in the military could be assigned to a job that is.
Law enforcement, of course, also deserves our thanks and respect.
I went to a university in the deep South and a lot of people I went to school with went into the military, but I was too left wing for that. Which was totally my loss as a lot of them retired with full pensions at the age of 50, often picked up at least one and in some cases up to 4 graduate degrees and are now taking a second job and getting their pension. Of course, that was during Pax Americana, and there weren’t a lot of stations where you were at the point of the spear (I graduated in 84). So when Marty seems to suggest that military people don’t get a living wage, wake up every morning, come back home in the evening and have a retirement plan, I’m wondering what military he has in mind, cause the US military gets all those things. You do realize, Marty, that ‘volunteer’ doesn’t meant that they don’t paid, do you?
I went to a university in the deep South and a lot of people I went to school with went into the military, but I was too left wing for that. Which was totally my loss as a lot of them retired with full pensions at the age of 50, often picked up at least one and in some cases up to 4 graduate degrees and are now taking a second job and getting their pension. Of course, that was during Pax Americana, and there weren’t a lot of stations where you were at the point of the spear (I graduated in 84). So when Marty seems to suggest that military people don’t get a living wage, wake up every morning, come back home in the evening and have a retirement plan, I’m wondering what military he has in mind, cause the US military gets all those things. You do realize, Marty, that ‘volunteer’ doesn’t meant that they don’t paid, do you?
No one was ever forced to participate, what happened was Christians were forced to stop, a little at a time.
BS.
When I attended public school in the South the day started with a Bible reading and prayer, usually the Lord’s Prayer. At one of the schools this was broadcast over the PA system.
Yeah. They were ultimately “forced to stop,” as you put it, and a good thing it was, too, because what they were forced to stop doing was making everyone participate in a religious activity, whether they wanted to or not.
I often wondered why those who argued for school prayer on the grounds that it is a good way to start the day didn’t just get their lazy asses out of bed a minute or two earlier and pray at home.
No one was ever forced to participate, what happened was Christians were forced to stop, a little at a time.
BS.
When I attended public school in the South the day started with a Bible reading and prayer, usually the Lord’s Prayer. At one of the schools this was broadcast over the PA system.
Yeah. They were ultimately “forced to stop,” as you put it, and a good thing it was, too, because what they were forced to stop doing was making everyone participate in a religious activity, whether they wanted to or not.
I often wondered why those who argued for school prayer on the grounds that it is a good way to start the day didn’t just get their lazy asses out of bed a minute or two earlier and pray at home.
get up every morning, go to work, come home in the evening, with twenty years they have a retirement plan
that’s what countless stateside military people do, even in times of war.
someone has to be on the sending side of the supply chain, after all.
get up every morning, go to work, come home in the evening, with twenty years they have a retirement plan
that’s what countless stateside military people do, even in times of war.
someone has to be on the sending side of the supply chain, after all.
I guess we just need to poll each member of the military as to where they served before we thank them.
I guess we just need to poll each member of the military as to where they served before we thank them.
might not be a bad idea.
i’d rather not thank people who worked in Abu Ghraib without getting some details first.
might not be a bad idea.
i’d rather not thank people who worked in Abu Ghraib without getting some details first.
Trying to compare working a union job at the EPA and serving in the military is insulting and typical.
What you appear to be saying is that it’s valid to thank people in the military, but not valid to thank people who work a “union job in the EPA”.
I disagree with that.
You’ve never said “thanks” to your mailman, or a building inspector, or a school teacher?
It’s not legitimate to say “thanks” to those people? Because they get paid?
And yeah, it is freaking amazing to have this discussion. And yes, it is both insulting and typical.
Trying to compare working a union job at the EPA and serving in the military is insulting and typical.
What you appear to be saying is that it’s valid to thank people in the military, but not valid to thank people who work a “union job in the EPA”.
I disagree with that.
You’ve never said “thanks” to your mailman, or a building inspector, or a school teacher?
It’s not legitimate to say “thanks” to those people? Because they get paid?
And yeah, it is freaking amazing to have this discussion. And yes, it is both insulting and typical.
I thank people all the time, food servers, mail persons, etc.
Let’s just pretend it’s the same thing.
I thank people all the time, food servers, mail persons, etc.
Let’s just pretend it’s the same thing.
“If somebody’s job doesn’t put them at risk of death, it’s inappropriate to thank them for their service?”
The federal building my now ex-wife was working in, and that I worked in years earlier, was cased by Timothy McVeigh. It didn’t have a preschool-nursery on the first floor, so he and his crew were off to Oklahoma City to say thank you.
Gingrich, who will be thanked for his public service in spades in due time, came by a few days later and could hardly contain his admiration at the extent of the carnage.
The ratfucker and his minion ratfuckers have had truckloads of fertilizer on back order ever since.
“Trying to compare working a union job at the EPA and serving in the military is insulting and typical.”
30.9%, as of 2015, of civilian federal employees are military veterans.
Some percentage of the dead in Oklahoma City were military veterans.
Six active military recruiters in the Murrah Building were slaughtered.
That didn’t stop conservative fuckers from denying the act as domestic terrorism:
https://www.newsweek.com/do-military-members-killed-oklahoma-city-bombing-deserve-purple-hearts-328636
True, none of them EXPECTED to be killed in American flyover country.
I expect to be killed in American flyover country.
Shove your fucking medals up your ass.
“If somebody’s job doesn’t put them at risk of death, it’s inappropriate to thank them for their service?”
The federal building my now ex-wife was working in, and that I worked in years earlier, was cased by Timothy McVeigh. It didn’t have a preschool-nursery on the first floor, so he and his crew were off to Oklahoma City to say thank you.
Gingrich, who will be thanked for his public service in spades in due time, came by a few days later and could hardly contain his admiration at the extent of the carnage.
The ratfucker and his minion ratfuckers have had truckloads of fertilizer on back order ever since.
“Trying to compare working a union job at the EPA and serving in the military is insulting and typical.”
30.9%, as of 2015, of civilian federal employees are military veterans.
Some percentage of the dead in Oklahoma City were military veterans.
Six active military recruiters in the Murrah Building were slaughtered.
That didn’t stop conservative fuckers from denying the act as domestic terrorism:
https://www.newsweek.com/do-military-members-killed-oklahoma-city-bombing-deserve-purple-hearts-328636
True, none of them EXPECTED to be killed in American flyover country.
I expect to be killed in American flyover country.
Shove your fucking medals up your ass.
Last time I checked, military personnel have a generous retirement plan and health insurance.
On any normal day, 95% of them get up in the morning and come home to their families in the evening.
I drove past Fort Carson, Colorado not too long ago and observed many doing just that.
More on who worked at the Murrah Building:
“By the 1990s, the building contained regional offices for the Social Security Administration, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the United States Secret Service, the Department of Veterans Affairs vocational rehabilitation counseling center, the Drug Enforcement Administration (D.E.A.), and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). It also contained recruiting offices for the US Military. It housed approximately 550 employees.[4] It also housed America’s Kids, a children’s day care center.”
The husband of a great friend perished in the bombing.
Last time I checked, military personnel have a generous retirement plan and health insurance.
On any normal day, 95% of them get up in the morning and come home to their families in the evening.
I drove past Fort Carson, Colorado not too long ago and observed many doing just that.
More on who worked at the Murrah Building:
“By the 1990s, the building contained regional offices for the Social Security Administration, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the United States Secret Service, the Department of Veterans Affairs vocational rehabilitation counseling center, the Drug Enforcement Administration (D.E.A.), and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). It also contained recruiting offices for the US Military. It housed approximately 550 employees.[4] It also housed America’s Kids, a children’s day care center.”
The husband of a great friend perished in the bombing.
“mail persons”??
The horrors of alien political correctness have wedged themselves deeply into the compromised American consciousness. 😉
You got yer male persons, ya got yer female persons.
Ya got yer innies and yer outties.
Let’s stick to originalist conceptions, alrighty?
“mail persons”??
The horrors of alien political correctness have wedged themselves deeply into the compromised American consciousness. 😉
You got yer male persons, ya got yer female persons.
Ya got yer innies and yer outties.
Let’s stick to originalist conceptions, alrighty?
18% of U.S. Postal Service employees are veterans.
American dogs gagging at the end of their chains bark only at the other 82%.
It’s an olfactory thing.
18% of U.S. Postal Service employees are veterans.
American dogs gagging at the end of their chains bark only at the other 82%.
It’s an olfactory thing.
I thank people all the time, food servers, mail persons, etc.
Good for you.
Let’s just pretend it’s the same thing.
Who’s making the equation?
I’m saying that people who work in public service deserve our thanks. Regardless of whether they are at risk of death or not.
You appear to object to that. Those folks are getting paid, so that somehow means they don’t deserve to be thanked for their work. Not only do you object, you find it “insulting and typical” that I consider their work worthy of thanks.
Which seems, to me, both insulting and typical.
Among the things that people who work in public service – armed or not – have to put up with on a daily basis is people denigrating them for doing so.
People like you, apparently.
I thank people all the time, food servers, mail persons, etc.
Good for you.
Let’s just pretend it’s the same thing.
Who’s making the equation?
I’m saying that people who work in public service deserve our thanks. Regardless of whether they are at risk of death or not.
You appear to object to that. Those folks are getting paid, so that somehow means they don’t deserve to be thanked for their work. Not only do you object, you find it “insulting and typical” that I consider their work worthy of thanks.
Which seems, to me, both insulting and typical.
Among the things that people who work in public service – armed or not – have to put up with on a daily basis is people denigrating them for doing so.
People like you, apparently.
The American military has a militant union whose every demand is met.
It’s called the Republican Party and it’s sister union is called the Democratic Party.
The American military has a militant union whose every demand is met.
It’s called the Republican Party and it’s sister union is called the Democratic Party.
Count, those are unions for the military, not the military personnel (below a certain level). Increasing the pay of the actual soldiers is regularly met with resistance. The money is for the expensive equipment, not the lowly scum zeroes..eh lovely common heroes still necessary to handle it.
Count, those are unions for the military, not the military personnel (below a certain level). Increasing the pay of the actual soldiers is regularly met with resistance. The money is for the expensive equipment, not the lowly scum zeroes..eh lovely common heroes still necessary to handle it.
I have no problem with people thanking military service people. I have worked with people in the armed services for probably a third of my career, and, not just in general but basically to a person, they are hard-working, mission-focused, dedicated individuals. I’m sure there are exceptions, those are the ones I’ve known and/or worked with.
My impression is that military people have mixed feelings about the whole “thank you for your service” thing, so in general I don’t walk up to military people I don’t know and out of the blue lay my unsolicited thanks on them. Everybody can make their own decisions about that.
It is completely common among conservatives to denigrate, often in the most insulting ways, the work that public servants who don’t happen to carry a firearm do. Which is despicable.
People who work in public service could, quite often, make more money doing something else. And, put up with a lot less bullshit in doing so. Some of them are attracted to the stability that public service offers, some of them just like the idea of doing something constructive for the public good. Some folks are attracted to both. There is nothing wrong with either motivation.
People who work in public service quite often do have the advantage of a defined term before retirement, and sometimes a pension. Once upon a time, there was nothing remarkable about that, it was a completely normal part of professional employment, whether in the public or private sector. That has, unfortunately, disappeared as a norm, and so now has become something to hold against people who work in the very few sectors where it still exists. Most notably, public employees.
Somehow, the fact that they are able to retire before they are fucking dead, and perhaps receive a pension for their service, is evidence that they are exploiting everybody else.
What is evidence of, to me, is the way in which people who work for a living have come to be viewed as a fungible commodity, whose contribution to the world is a regrettable expense of doing business.
And, of course, if it’s Our Tax Dollars that are footing the bill, all the worse.
I think that is fucked up. More than that, I think it is the number 1, stand-out, top of the list fucked up thing about the American political economy.
Pardon my language.
I do not respect people who do not respect others’ work. Period.
I have no problem with people thanking military service people. I have worked with people in the armed services for probably a third of my career, and, not just in general but basically to a person, they are hard-working, mission-focused, dedicated individuals. I’m sure there are exceptions, those are the ones I’ve known and/or worked with.
My impression is that military people have mixed feelings about the whole “thank you for your service” thing, so in general I don’t walk up to military people I don’t know and out of the blue lay my unsolicited thanks on them. Everybody can make their own decisions about that.
It is completely common among conservatives to denigrate, often in the most insulting ways, the work that public servants who don’t happen to carry a firearm do. Which is despicable.
People who work in public service could, quite often, make more money doing something else. And, put up with a lot less bullshit in doing so. Some of them are attracted to the stability that public service offers, some of them just like the idea of doing something constructive for the public good. Some folks are attracted to both. There is nothing wrong with either motivation.
People who work in public service quite often do have the advantage of a defined term before retirement, and sometimes a pension. Once upon a time, there was nothing remarkable about that, it was a completely normal part of professional employment, whether in the public or private sector. That has, unfortunately, disappeared as a norm, and so now has become something to hold against people who work in the very few sectors where it still exists. Most notably, public employees.
Somehow, the fact that they are able to retire before they are fucking dead, and perhaps receive a pension for their service, is evidence that they are exploiting everybody else.
What is evidence of, to me, is the way in which people who work for a living have come to be viewed as a fungible commodity, whose contribution to the world is a regrettable expense of doing business.
And, of course, if it’s Our Tax Dollars that are footing the bill, all the worse.
I think that is fucked up. More than that, I think it is the number 1, stand-out, top of the list fucked up thing about the American political economy.
Pardon my language.
I do not respect people who do not respect others’ work. Period.
I’d just like to point out that in this “thank you for your service” kerfuffle, Marty is squarely on the side of political correctness. As is his right, because IOKIYAR.
–TP
I’d just like to point out that in this “thank you for your service” kerfuffle, Marty is squarely on the side of political correctness. As is his right, because IOKIYAR.
–TP
Good for you russell, there is nothing I said here that indicates I dont respect anyones work.
One of these things is not like the other though.
Good for you russell, there is nothing I said here that indicates I dont respect anyones work.
One of these things is not like the other though.
there is nothing I said here that indicates I dont respect anyones work.
So you say.
One of these things is not like the other though.
Nobody anywhere in this thread has claimed an equivalence between military service and non-military public service.
The statement that has been made is that conservatives consider public expressions of thanks to military service people and maybe cops and firemen to be Politically Correct.
And they consider expressions of thanks to non-military and otherwise non-armed public servants to be Politically Incorrect.
And you have demonstrated that point, vividly.
The relevance of all of this to the overall discussion is that it puts the lie to the claim that liberals are prone to “political correctness”, while everybody else on the fucking planet are just regular folks who don’t traffic in such nonsense.
To take it back to Nigel’s comment that kicked all of this off, as someone who fits the stereotype of a “coastal upper middle class liberal” to a T, and with all respect to Nigel and all appreciation for his sharing the Atlantic piece, I DON’T NEED A FUCKING LECTURE ABOUT HOW I NEED TO TIPTOE AROUND THE TENDER FEELINGS OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS.
If you’re confused because you don’t know whether to call a black person “black” or “Afro-American”, that’s because either one is fine and most black people don’t really give a crap. Just don’t call them “nigger”, or “boy”, or “girl”, and we’ll all probably be fine.
If you claim that that confusion is causing you to support Trump, I say you are full of shit. You would support Trump no matter what the kids are calling black people these days.
If you support Trump, that’s your choice. Fucking own it, and quit making it my job to talk you down off the ledge.
I hope that clarifies some things.
there is nothing I said here that indicates I dont respect anyones work.
So you say.
One of these things is not like the other though.
Nobody anywhere in this thread has claimed an equivalence between military service and non-military public service.
The statement that has been made is that conservatives consider public expressions of thanks to military service people and maybe cops and firemen to be Politically Correct.
And they consider expressions of thanks to non-military and otherwise non-armed public servants to be Politically Incorrect.
And you have demonstrated that point, vividly.
The relevance of all of this to the overall discussion is that it puts the lie to the claim that liberals are prone to “political correctness”, while everybody else on the fucking planet are just regular folks who don’t traffic in such nonsense.
To take it back to Nigel’s comment that kicked all of this off, as someone who fits the stereotype of a “coastal upper middle class liberal” to a T, and with all respect to Nigel and all appreciation for his sharing the Atlantic piece, I DON’T NEED A FUCKING LECTURE ABOUT HOW I NEED TO TIPTOE AROUND THE TENDER FEELINGS OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS.
If you’re confused because you don’t know whether to call a black person “black” or “Afro-American”, that’s because either one is fine and most black people don’t really give a crap. Just don’t call them “nigger”, or “boy”, or “girl”, and we’ll all probably be fine.
If you claim that that confusion is causing you to support Trump, I say you are full of shit. You would support Trump no matter what the kids are calling black people these days.
If you support Trump, that’s your choice. Fucking own it, and quit making it my job to talk you down off the ledge.
I hope that clarifies some things.
Political correctness on the ground:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2018/10/21/stacey-abrams-vs-the-revanchist-racist/#more-247034
Steal the votes, Kemp. Please.
Hey, Kemp, eat an AR-15 from the bullets downwards.
Political correctness on the ground:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2018/10/21/stacey-abrams-vs-the-revanchist-racist/#more-247034
Steal the votes, Kemp. Please.
Hey, Kemp, eat an AR-15 from the bullets downwards.
Political correctness from subhuman all-american murderous vermin:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/despite-lies-trump-praises-very-good-control-of-saudi-crown-prince-mbs
Political correctness from subhuman all-american murderous vermin:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/despite-lies-trump-praises-very-good-control-of-saudi-crown-prince-mbs
Elections are an exercise in pussified republican political correctness
From Chapter 38, “Fear” Bob Woodward:
“Afghanistan continued to frustrate Trump. Months earlier, in late September, he
had hosted a reception at the United Nations annual meeting in New York.
Azerbaijan president Ilham Aliyev and his wife posed for a picture with the
Trumps. The Azerbaijan leader passed word that the Chinese were mining
substantial amounts of copper from Afghanistan.
Trump was furious. Here was the United States paying billions for the war,
and China was stealing copper!
Afghan president Ghani had dangled the possibility that the United States
would have exclusive access to vast mineral wealth, untouched in the Afghanistan
mountain ranges. His argument: There’s so much money to be made. Don’t walk
away. Rare earth minerals, including lithium, a main ingredient in the latest
batteries. Some exaggerated estimates held that all minerals in Afghanistan might
be worth as much as several trillion dollars.
Trump wanted the minerals. “They have offered us their minerals!” he said at one meeting. “Offered us everything. Why aren’t we there taking them? You guys
are sitting on your ass. The Chinese are raiding the place.”
“Sir,” said Gary Cohn, “it’s not like we just walk in there and take the minerals.
They have no legal system, no land rights.” It would cost billions of dollars to
build the mining infrastructure, he added.
“We need to get a company in there,” Trump said. “Put it out for bid.” This
was a giant opportunity, capitalism, building and development at its best. “Why
aren’t we in there taking it?
“Who’s we?” Cohn asked.
“We should just be in there taking it,” Trump said, as if there were a national
mining company to move into Afghanistan.
At a subsequent meeting in the Oval Office, Trump asked, “Why hasn’t this
been done?”
“We’re running it through the NSC process,” McMaster said.
“I don’t need it done through a fucking process!” Trump yelled. “I need you
guys to go in there and get this stuff. It’s free! Who wants to do this?” It was afreefor-all.
Who wanted this bonanza?
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross volunteered. “I’ll take care of it, sir. I’ll do
it,” he said as if it were a Commerce Department issue.
Trump approved.
Kelly didn’t say much but took McMaster, Ross and Cohn to his office.
McMaster was ripshit at Kelly for not intervening. “You just chopped my legs
out from me. You knew I was running a process.” He was going by the textbook
as usual, was working with the State and Defense Departments and any other
departments or agencies with an interest. “You hung me out to dry in front of the
president!”
There was little that appealed to Trump more than the idea of getting money
from others to pay for national security commitments made by previous U.S.
administrations—NATO, Afghanistan, Iraq. The only other appealing prospect
was making a good deal, and he thought this was one.
The State Department assessed the mineral rights. Analysts concluded this
would be a great propaganda boon to worldwide extremists: The United States is
coming to rape your land and steal your wealth from the ground. They sought
legal opinions in hopes of slowing it down.
On February 7, 2018, McMaster convened a small group of principals in the
Situation Room to hear Commerce Secretary Ross’s report. He had talked with
the acting minister of mining in Afghanistan that morning. “The Chinese are not
getting anything out. They have these big concessions, as they do worldwide, and
they sit on them. They’re in it for the long term. They don’t need to make
immediate money off it.
So there was nothing to worry about. Afghanistan did not have the
infrastructure or transportation, the regulatory or environmental controls, he said.
No private company would make an investment.
“It’s fake news,” Ross said, to mild laughter.
McMaster added that most of these minerals would be impossible to reach
because a lot of them were in Taliban-controlled areas. It was a war zone, and a
military perimeter defense would have to be established before mining. At best, he
said, it would take 10 years if everything went right.
Ross said he would follow up to explain this to the president.
Elections are an exercise in pussified republican political correctness
From Chapter 38, “Fear” Bob Woodward:
“Afghanistan continued to frustrate Trump. Months earlier, in late September, he
had hosted a reception at the United Nations annual meeting in New York.
Azerbaijan president Ilham Aliyev and his wife posed for a picture with the
Trumps. The Azerbaijan leader passed word that the Chinese were mining
substantial amounts of copper from Afghanistan.
Trump was furious. Here was the United States paying billions for the war,
and China was stealing copper!
Afghan president Ghani had dangled the possibility that the United States
would have exclusive access to vast mineral wealth, untouched in the Afghanistan
mountain ranges. His argument: There’s so much money to be made. Don’t walk
away. Rare earth minerals, including lithium, a main ingredient in the latest
batteries. Some exaggerated estimates held that all minerals in Afghanistan might
be worth as much as several trillion dollars.
Trump wanted the minerals. “They have offered us their minerals!” he said at one meeting. “Offered us everything. Why aren’t we there taking them? You guys
are sitting on your ass. The Chinese are raiding the place.”
“Sir,” said Gary Cohn, “it’s not like we just walk in there and take the minerals.
They have no legal system, no land rights.” It would cost billions of dollars to
build the mining infrastructure, he added.
“We need to get a company in there,” Trump said. “Put it out for bid.” This
was a giant opportunity, capitalism, building and development at its best. “Why
aren’t we in there taking it?
“Who’s we?” Cohn asked.
“We should just be in there taking it,” Trump said, as if there were a national
mining company to move into Afghanistan.
At a subsequent meeting in the Oval Office, Trump asked, “Why hasn’t this
been done?”
“We’re running it through the NSC process,” McMaster said.
“I don’t need it done through a fucking process!” Trump yelled. “I need you
guys to go in there and get this stuff. It’s free! Who wants to do this?” It was afreefor-all.
Who wanted this bonanza?
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross volunteered. “I’ll take care of it, sir. I’ll do
it,” he said as if it were a Commerce Department issue.
Trump approved.
Kelly didn’t say much but took McMaster, Ross and Cohn to his office.
McMaster was ripshit at Kelly for not intervening. “You just chopped my legs
out from me. You knew I was running a process.” He was going by the textbook
as usual, was working with the State and Defense Departments and any other
departments or agencies with an interest. “You hung me out to dry in front of the
president!”
There was little that appealed to Trump more than the idea of getting money
from others to pay for national security commitments made by previous U.S.
administrations—NATO, Afghanistan, Iraq. The only other appealing prospect
was making a good deal, and he thought this was one.
The State Department assessed the mineral rights. Analysts concluded this
would be a great propaganda boon to worldwide extremists: The United States is
coming to rape your land and steal your wealth from the ground. They sought
legal opinions in hopes of slowing it down.
On February 7, 2018, McMaster convened a small group of principals in the
Situation Room to hear Commerce Secretary Ross’s report. He had talked with
the acting minister of mining in Afghanistan that morning. “The Chinese are not
getting anything out. They have these big concessions, as they do worldwide, and
they sit on them. They’re in it for the long term. They don’t need to make
immediate money off it.
So there was nothing to worry about. Afghanistan did not have the
infrastructure or transportation, the regulatory or environmental controls, he said.
No private company would make an investment.
“It’s fake news,” Ross said, to mild laughter.
McMaster added that most of these minerals would be impossible to reach
because a lot of them were in Taliban-controlled areas. It was a war zone, and a
military perimeter defense would have to be established before mining. At best, he
said, it would take 10 years if everything went right.
Ross said he would follow up to explain this to the president.
Utterly unconscionable:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/transgender-rights-trump-administration-is-considering-new-rules-to-flat-out-deny-trans-identity.html
Utterly unconscionable:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/transgender-rights-trump-administration-is-considering-new-rules-to-flat-out-deny-trans-identity.html
McMaster added that most of these minerals would be impossible to reach because a lot of them were in Taliban-controlled areas. It was a war zone, and a
military perimeter defense would have to be established before mining. At best, he said, it would take 10 years if everything went right.
What I seem to recall reading is that China is hiring the Taliban to provide security and paying for a lot of things that would have ancillary benefits for the locals. Eg, a dam generating hydro power for copper and aluminum smelting would be sized to also provide electricity for civilians in the area. The rail spur would be aligned to provide improved transportation to and from the tribal areas of Pakistan.
McMaster added that most of these minerals would be impossible to reach because a lot of them were in Taliban-controlled areas. It was a war zone, and a
military perimeter defense would have to be established before mining. At best, he said, it would take 10 years if everything went right.
What I seem to recall reading is that China is hiring the Taliban to provide security and paying for a lot of things that would have ancillary benefits for the locals. Eg, a dam generating hydro power for copper and aluminum smelting would be sized to also provide electricity for civilians in the area. The rail spur would be aligned to provide improved transportation to and from the tribal areas of Pakistan.
McMaster added that most of these minerals would be impossible to reach because a lot of them were in Taliban-controlled areas. It was a war zone, and a military perimeter defense would have to be established before mining. At best, he said, it would take 10 years if everything went right.
What I seem to recall reading is that China is hiring the Taliban to provide security and paying for a lot of things that would have ancillary benefits for the locals. Eg, a dam generating hydro power for copper and aluminum smelting would be sized to also provide electricity for civilians in the area. The rail spur would be aligned to provide improved transportation to and from the tribal areas of Pakistan.
McMaster added that most of these minerals would be impossible to reach because a lot of them were in Taliban-controlled areas. It was a war zone, and a military perimeter defense would have to be established before mining. At best, he said, it would take 10 years if everything went right.
What I seem to recall reading is that China is hiring the Taliban to provide security and paying for a lot of things that would have ancillary benefits for the locals. Eg, a dam generating hydro power for copper and aluminum smelting would be sized to also provide electricity for civilians in the area. The rail spur would be aligned to provide improved transportation to and from the tribal areas of Pakistan.
China’s got us all figured out.
China’s got us all figured out.
Naturally, Dreher, whose entire life and bogus religion is devoted to denying rights to the LGBT, is all over the transgender rights rape by intrusive, regulatory government:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/transgenderism-trump-common-sense/
The Benedict Option apparently will include cup checks, blood tests, and crotch palpating at designated checkpoints.
Which is why all closeted Christian LGBTs who join the Benedictine faithful should carry military grade weaponry at all times and fucking use it when fucked with.
Philosophically, I haven’t parsed out my position on men who go transgender and compete in female athletic events. Being biological male in the first place, I expect, would predispose them to cheating, via hormone replacement, in order to gain any advantage in competition, because, as with mp, winning is everything.
I WOULD like to see a fully trans man, born with female genitalia, beat the shit out of Ann Coulter in a cage match.
As I would be entertained by a fully trans woman, born with male genitalia, beat the crap out of, say Steve King (what the heck, let’s make it a fair fight, let Limbaugh be his tag partner).
No referees.
Naturally, Dreher, whose entire life and bogus religion is devoted to denying rights to the LGBT, is all over the transgender rights rape by intrusive, regulatory government:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/transgenderism-trump-common-sense/
The Benedict Option apparently will include cup checks, blood tests, and crotch palpating at designated checkpoints.
Which is why all closeted Christian LGBTs who join the Benedictine faithful should carry military grade weaponry at all times and fucking use it when fucked with.
Philosophically, I haven’t parsed out my position on men who go transgender and compete in female athletic events. Being biological male in the first place, I expect, would predispose them to cheating, via hormone replacement, in order to gain any advantage in competition, because, as with mp, winning is everything.
I WOULD like to see a fully trans man, born with female genitalia, beat the shit out of Ann Coulter in a cage match.
As I would be entertained by a fully trans woman, born with male genitalia, beat the crap out of, say Steve King (what the heck, let’s make it a fair fight, let Limbaugh be his tag partner).
No referees.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/10/national-security-magical-thinking
mp learned all there is to know about nuclear weapons in 90 minutes, beating trained nuclear physicists by years, he’s such a prodigy.
He is on record as asking why we can’t use them. What’s the point of having them if we can’t use them, he pushed. Hanh?
I’m pretty sure he and Putin have an agreement, signed in urine and real estate babble, that Putin will hit only blue regions of the country after mp launches our arsenal.
Why be politically correct about it?
In the meantime, I hope China is negotiating with Mexico to position strategic nuclear weapons along the length of our southern Wall.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/10/national-security-magical-thinking
mp learned all there is to know about nuclear weapons in 90 minutes, beating trained nuclear physicists by years, he’s such a prodigy.
He is on record as asking why we can’t use them. What’s the point of having them if we can’t use them, he pushed. Hanh?
I’m pretty sure he and Putin have an agreement, signed in urine and real estate babble, that Putin will hit only blue regions of the country after mp launches our arsenal.
Why be politically correct about it?
In the meantime, I hope China is negotiating with Mexico to position strategic nuclear weapons along the length of our southern Wall.
Ted Nugent has a sad.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ted-nugent-hall-of-fame/?fbclid=IwAR0Hrig3188xTLNTIl44qiAnPJBWfx_P0A6X2XpdX6QWsgglw7TJnaTMz-M
Ted Nugent has a sad.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ted-nugent-hall-of-fame/?fbclid=IwAR0Hrig3188xTLNTIl44qiAnPJBWfx_P0A6X2XpdX6QWsgglw7TJnaTMz-M
I like Trent Reznor’s attitude better:
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/trent-reznor-rock-roll-hall-of-fame/
I think Nugent should be in the Hall of Fame, but instead of his pants and guitars displayed for all to see, I want him to donate his most deadly weaponry to the Hall for Fame-goers to use with live ammo in a de(a)dicated Ted Nugent shooting rage on the premises with likenesses of him as targets.
Obama and Clinton can kick off the dedication ceremony with 1000 rounds each.
Maybe Nugent could stop by annually for some live action.
I like Trent Reznor’s attitude better:
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/trent-reznor-rock-roll-hall-of-fame/
I think Nugent should be in the Hall of Fame, but instead of his pants and guitars displayed for all to see, I want him to donate his most deadly weaponry to the Hall for Fame-goers to use with live ammo in a de(a)dicated Ted Nugent shooting rage on the premises with likenesses of him as targets.
Obama and Clinton can kick off the dedication ceremony with 1000 rounds each.
Maybe Nugent could stop by annually for some live action.
From that article the Count links to:
Which, if you think about it, makes a kind of sense. After all, pretty much all the places that we do nuclear weapons tests are in red states. And one of the constants of this administration is screwing over his base. Giving then renewed radiation hazards would be right in pattern.
From that article the Count links to:
Which, if you think about it, makes a kind of sense. After all, pretty much all the places that we do nuclear weapons tests are in red states. And one of the constants of this administration is screwing over his base. Giving then renewed radiation hazards would be right in pattern.
Many people have been saying we need to test our nucular weapons in cities. Why would we bomb the desert? Nobody cares about the desert. So I have decided to bomb Oakland. Sad.
Many people have been saying we need to test our nucular weapons in cities. Why would we bomb the desert? Nobody cares about the desert. So I have decided to bomb Oakland. Sad.
Utterly unconscionable
and utterly unsurprising.
our thoroughly bullshit electoral system installed the Genital Obsessed Party, after all.
i’m sure it was Obama’s fault, somehow.
Utterly unconscionable
and utterly unsurprising.
our thoroughly bullshit electoral system installed the Genital Obsessed Party, after all.
i’m sure it was Obama’s fault, somehow.
Plumbing is their middle name.
Plumbing is their middle name.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gorbachev-trumps-nuke-treaty-withdrawal-not-the-work-of-a-great-mind
I’m not up on the time it takes these days for nuclear tipped missiles to travel to their targets.
I’m assuming the technology has progressed to the point that an assist from Slim Pickens won’t be required.
All I’m thinking is that whether it’s 20 minutes or 40 minutes, what is the most efficient way to fucking kill every conservative/republican I can get my hands in that amount of time as gravity’s rainbow completes its arc for the crime of installing an animal who has incinerated my son.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gorbachev-trumps-nuke-treaty-withdrawal-not-the-work-of-a-great-mind
I’m not up on the time it takes these days for nuclear tipped missiles to travel to their targets.
I’m assuming the technology has progressed to the point that an assist from Slim Pickens won’t be required.
All I’m thinking is that whether it’s 20 minutes or 40 minutes, what is the most efficient way to fucking kill every conservative/republican I can get my hands in that amount of time as gravity’s rainbow completes its arc for the crime of installing an animal who has incinerated my son.
If I come across some republican investment banker rube in that window of time who sez to me “Gersh, does this mean I don’t have time to spend my tax cut?” ..
… Ill spare him, because the misery he has visited upon himself is more justice than I can provide.
If I come across some republican investment banker rube in that window of time who sez to me “Gersh, does this mean I don’t have time to spend my tax cut?” ..
… Ill spare him, because the misery he has visited upon himself is more justice than I can provide.
Naturally, Dreher…
The Drehers of the world tell us that everyone should fall neatly into the binary, hetero-and-looks-and-acts-hetero categories they champion, because that’s the natural order of things.
In Dreher’s case, and in the case of his theistic companions, because god made people that way.
The question I have is:
Where did all of the other people – the people who don’t fit in those boxes – come from?
Did nature somehow not produce the folks who aren’t hetero cisgender exemplars?
If god is responsible, did some other deity sneak in the back door and crank out the less-typical types?
These guys seem to think they know more, and better, than the actors – natural or supernatural – that they claim to speak for.
People are just trying to be themselves. How about we leave them the hell alone.
I only wish that the biggest issue facing trans people was who won a bicycle race.
Naturally, Dreher…
The Drehers of the world tell us that everyone should fall neatly into the binary, hetero-and-looks-and-acts-hetero categories they champion, because that’s the natural order of things.
In Dreher’s case, and in the case of his theistic companions, because god made people that way.
The question I have is:
Where did all of the other people – the people who don’t fit in those boxes – come from?
Did nature somehow not produce the folks who aren’t hetero cisgender exemplars?
If god is responsible, did some other deity sneak in the back door and crank out the less-typical types?
These guys seem to think they know more, and better, than the actors – natural or supernatural – that they claim to speak for.
People are just trying to be themselves. How about we leave them the hell alone.
I only wish that the biggest issue facing trans people was who won a bicycle race.
And here we have Moody’s, renowned voice of the far left (/sarcasm), talking about how income/wealth inequality is bad for capitalism.
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-Widening-income-inequality-will-weigh-on-US-credit-profile–PR_389062
And here we have Moody’s, renowned voice of the far left (/sarcasm), talking about how income/wealth inequality is bad for capitalism.
https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-Widening-income-inequality-will-weigh-on-US-credit-profile–PR_389062
Nugent:
If there is anyone on the planet who knows from vulgar, dishonest, and obscene, it is Ted Nugent.
Nugent was in the Amboy Dukes. They had a hit. One. It was “Journey To The Center Of The Mind”. Nugent didn’t write it.
Nugent subsequently had a solo career. He had a hit. One. It was “Cat Scratch Fever”. He probably wrote it, although some of his band members disagree.
That’s his fabulous rock career.
I can introduce you to about fifty guys who are better musicians, guitar players, song writers, and overall human beings, than Ted Nugent on his best day.
And his best day is long in the past.
Were it not for his assholish behavior on behalf of the NRA and related conservative insanities, he would be a footnote to a footnote.
Dear Ted: how can we miss you if you don’t go away?
Nugent:
If there is anyone on the planet who knows from vulgar, dishonest, and obscene, it is Ted Nugent.
Nugent was in the Amboy Dukes. They had a hit. One. It was “Journey To The Center Of The Mind”. Nugent didn’t write it.
Nugent subsequently had a solo career. He had a hit. One. It was “Cat Scratch Fever”. He probably wrote it, although some of his band members disagree.
That’s his fabulous rock career.
I can introduce you to about fifty guys who are better musicians, guitar players, song writers, and overall human beings, than Ted Nugent on his best day.
And his best day is long in the past.
Were it not for his assholish behavior on behalf of the NRA and related conservative insanities, he would be a footnote to a footnote.
Dear Ted: how can we miss you if you don’t go away?
I didn’t know that Nugent was actually somebody who we needed to know about. I thought Nugent was an ignorable.
I didn’t know that Nugent was actually somebody who we needed to know about. I thought Nugent was an ignorable.
Grounds for cautious optimism:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/22/anti-muslim-campaigns-midterms-921475
According to the poll in the report, a survey of 1,000 voters, 18 percent of respondents said Muslims are good people. But 7 percent have a negative view of Muslims in general, while 5 percent believe they are good as long as they aren’t extremists. Two percent said their religion is false, 1 percent said Muslims are different, 1 percent said they are terrorists, and fewer than 0.5 percent said they should leave the country.
Seventy-one percent said it is inappropriate for candidates to speak negatively about Muslims during their campaigns. Fourteen percent said it is appropriate, and 14 percent were unsure or refused to say.
Only 8 percent, however, said they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who speaks negatively about Muslims. Fifty-eight percent said they would be more likely to vote against that candidate, though it made no difference to 17 percent.
Grounds for cautious optimism:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/22/anti-muslim-campaigns-midterms-921475
According to the poll in the report, a survey of 1,000 voters, 18 percent of respondents said Muslims are good people. But 7 percent have a negative view of Muslims in general, while 5 percent believe they are good as long as they aren’t extremists. Two percent said their religion is false, 1 percent said Muslims are different, 1 percent said they are terrorists, and fewer than 0.5 percent said they should leave the country.
Seventy-one percent said it is inappropriate for candidates to speak negatively about Muslims during their campaigns. Fourteen percent said it is appropriate, and 14 percent were unsure or refused to say.
Only 8 percent, however, said they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who speaks negatively about Muslims. Fifty-eight percent said they would be more likely to vote against that candidate, though it made no difference to 17 percent.
But I don’t really need suggestions to “think long and hard about this”. If people are confused about whether to call someone Jewish, or a Jew, or whether to call someone black, or Afro-American, to the point where they are going to *change who they vote for* because the confusion is just too much for them, I am really and truly at a loss as to what I, personally, or anyone with my social values is going to do to change that.
I suspect that people’s choices of who to vote for is not really going to turn on things like that. To the degree that folks say they are, I suspect they are being less than candid.
When I said ‘Democrats’, I was rather more narrowly talking about candidates for election.
I don’t have a problem with most of what falls into the rather fuzzy category of ‘PC’ – for the most part it seems to me like simple civility.
I do think a political campaign which gives the impression of telling others how they ought to speak is something else, though.
I’m likely not expressing myself particularly well, but I was struck by David Simon talking about Twitter, where his core point is that what matters is the substance of what is being said, rather than how it is being expressed:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/david-simon-twitter-ban-mike-godwin-interview.html
If I had possession over Judgment Day and the resources of Twitter, here is what I would do:
I would not throw open my review process to fretting about name-calling or comic hyperbole or even exchanges of abject contempt and disgust because, as we all know, there is plenty on the platform that deserves a hailstorm of contempt and disgust. Instead, I would use my limited resources to open the gates to complaints about intellectual frauds, libels, and disinformation campaigns. And I would empower Twitter users to be, if not the ultimate arbiters of these issues, to be a force, in a fundamental way, that begins to self-police the site.
How? Same way as users now report what they perceive to be “offensive” content, I would demand that they raise their game and raise the stakes to reporting that which can be empirically demonstrated to be false. There’s your disintermediation. The users themselves deliver complaints that go to the heart of Twitter’s fundamental weakness: This is a libel. That is a lie. Let them call it out and deliver the empirical proof. Let them be the police and then have Twitter—in conjunction with some in-house research equivalent of Snopes or some other fact-checking forum—be the court of jurisdiction for claims that originate with Twitter users themselves. That limits Twitter’s responsibility to only the fact-checking that is requested organically by users, not extending its responsibility over the whole of the content. It also makes it imperative for objecting users to bring intellectual and journalistic rigor to their complaints, further girding the process. And it creates a standard that makes it possible for Twitter to remove those who can be evidenced to be not merely in error about facts, but purposefully and repeatedly employing libel and disinformation….
But I don’t really need suggestions to “think long and hard about this”. If people are confused about whether to call someone Jewish, or a Jew, or whether to call someone black, or Afro-American, to the point where they are going to *change who they vote for* because the confusion is just too much for them, I am really and truly at a loss as to what I, personally, or anyone with my social values is going to do to change that.
I suspect that people’s choices of who to vote for is not really going to turn on things like that. To the degree that folks say they are, I suspect they are being less than candid.
When I said ‘Democrats’, I was rather more narrowly talking about candidates for election.
I don’t have a problem with most of what falls into the rather fuzzy category of ‘PC’ – for the most part it seems to me like simple civility.
I do think a political campaign which gives the impression of telling others how they ought to speak is something else, though.
I’m likely not expressing myself particularly well, but I was struck by David Simon talking about Twitter, where his core point is that what matters is the substance of what is being said, rather than how it is being expressed:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/david-simon-twitter-ban-mike-godwin-interview.html
If I had possession over Judgment Day and the resources of Twitter, here is what I would do:
I would not throw open my review process to fretting about name-calling or comic hyperbole or even exchanges of abject contempt and disgust because, as we all know, there is plenty on the platform that deserves a hailstorm of contempt and disgust. Instead, I would use my limited resources to open the gates to complaints about intellectual frauds, libels, and disinformation campaigns. And I would empower Twitter users to be, if not the ultimate arbiters of these issues, to be a force, in a fundamental way, that begins to self-police the site.
How? Same way as users now report what they perceive to be “offensive” content, I would demand that they raise their game and raise the stakes to reporting that which can be empirically demonstrated to be false. There’s your disintermediation. The users themselves deliver complaints that go to the heart of Twitter’s fundamental weakness: This is a libel. That is a lie. Let them call it out and deliver the empirical proof. Let them be the police and then have Twitter—in conjunction with some in-house research equivalent of Snopes or some other fact-checking forum—be the court of jurisdiction for claims that originate with Twitter users themselves. That limits Twitter’s responsibility to only the fact-checking that is requested organically by users, not extending its responsibility over the whole of the content. It also makes it imperative for objecting users to bring intellectual and journalistic rigor to their complaints, further girding the process. And it creates a standard that makes it possible for Twitter to remove those who can be evidenced to be not merely in error about facts, but purposefully and repeatedly employing libel and disinformation….
Only 8 percent [of voters], however, said they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who speaks negatively about Muslims. Fifty-eight percent said they would be more likely to vote against that candidate
Thanks, Nigel. Definitely grounds for optimism.
Only 8 percent [of voters], however, said they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who speaks negatively about Muslims. Fifty-eight percent said they would be more likely to vote against that candidate
Thanks, Nigel. Definitely grounds for optimism.
yeah, no. these are terrible people.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/07/trump-should-able-close-news-outlets-republicans-say-poll/925536002/?fbclid=IwAR35o9fA4HDWqpEFp5EYAW2A_V64lbw5Zs7BzinkLeFHaW8y245rhMpQcBM
yeah, no. these are terrible people.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/07/trump-should-able-close-news-outlets-republicans-say-poll/925536002/?fbclid=IwAR35o9fA4HDWqpEFp5EYAW2A_V64lbw5Zs7BzinkLeFHaW8y245rhMpQcBM
Cautious optimism.
Cautious optimism.
… unbolded, I hope.
… unbolded, I hope.
Nearly half of Republicans surveyed — 44 percent — believe the president should be able to shutter news outlets for “bad behavior,” according to a new poll released Tuesday.
Wonder if they would be so enthused if the question was phrased to make it clear that this could extend to a future President shuttering, say, Fox “News”? Or is that looking further into the future than they can manage?
Nearly half of Republicans surveyed — 44 percent — believe the president should be able to shutter news outlets for “bad behavior,” according to a new poll released Tuesday.
Wonder if they would be so enthused if the question was phrased to make it clear that this could extend to a future President shuttering, say, Fox “News”? Or is that looking further into the future than they can manage?
That really requires defining bad behavior, along with everything else only 23% felt major outlets should be at risk and this :
“But there were some areas that both parties agreed: There was a consensus of 85 percent that a free press is essential for American democracy and of 88 percent that free speech is one of the values that make America great. ”
There are news outlets that people on this thread think should be shut down. For myself, bad behavior would have to include advocating violence.
That really requires defining bad behavior, along with everything else only 23% felt major outlets should be at risk and this :
“But there were some areas that both parties agreed: There was a consensus of 85 percent that a free press is essential for American democracy and of 88 percent that free speech is one of the values that make America great. ”
There are news outlets that people on this thread think should be shut down. For myself, bad behavior would have to include advocating violence.
When I said ‘Democrats’, I was rather more narrowly talking about candidates for election.
no worries Nigel. thanks for the Atlantic piece, and also for the Simon interview.
Simon is what it looks and sounds like when People Like Me are not being politically correct. Folks should be careful what they ask for.
There are news outlets that people on this thread think should be shut down.
Show one example of that.
For myself, bad behavior would have to include advocating violence.
How do you feel about reporters being body-slammed? Are people who body-slam reporters “your kind of guy”?
Take care with your answer, you’re already on record.
When I said ‘Democrats’, I was rather more narrowly talking about candidates for election.
no worries Nigel. thanks for the Atlantic piece, and also for the Simon interview.
Simon is what it looks and sounds like when People Like Me are not being politically correct. Folks should be careful what they ask for.
There are news outlets that people on this thread think should be shut down.
Show one example of that.
For myself, bad behavior would have to include advocating violence.
How do you feel about reporters being body-slammed? Are people who body-slam reporters “your kind of guy”?
Take care with your answer, you’re already on record.
People who shove reporters who are assaulting them are pretty normal people. I’m actually pretty consistent without the threats, of what I’m not sure. But I will be careful.
Alex Jones is one most would be happy to shut down. Not a fan either, so let’s not turn this into Marty defends Alex Jones.
People who shove reporters who are assaulting them are pretty normal people. I’m actually pretty consistent without the threats, of what I’m not sure. But I will be careful.
Alex Jones is one most would be happy to shut down. Not a fan either, so let’s not turn this into Marty defends Alex Jones.
There are news outlets that people on this thread think should be shut down.
By Presidential fiat ??
(which is what the survey question was about)
Unless (actually, even if) you mean yourself, I’d be interested to know just who is favour of such a thing.
Even a press regulator is deeply controversial (I think it a pretty terrible idea), and has caused serious controversy in the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Press_Standards_Organisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPRESS
There are news outlets that people on this thread think should be shut down.
By Presidential fiat ??
(which is what the survey question was about)
Unless (actually, even if) you mean yourself, I’d be interested to know just who is favour of such a thing.
Even a press regulator is deeply controversial (I think it a pretty terrible idea), and has caused serious controversy in the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Press_Standards_Organisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPRESS
People who shove reporters who are assaulting them are pretty normal people.
I’ve decided to take Nigel’s advice and not be politically correct.
This is mealy-mouthed, disingenuous tripe.
“Shove” is not “body-slam”. “Confront with a microphone” is not “assault”.
When you have to lie in order for your point to have any validity, you have no point.
People who shove reporters who are assaulting them are pretty normal people.
I’ve decided to take Nigel’s advice and not be politically correct.
This is mealy-mouthed, disingenuous tripe.
“Shove” is not “body-slam”. “Confront with a microphone” is not “assault”.
When you have to lie in order for your point to have any validity, you have no point.
He was accosted. He overreacted. The reporter shared the blame, if it was Hillarys security detail you’d have no problem. In fact, in that case he wouldnt hage gotten anywhere near the room.
He was accosted. He overreacted. The reporter shared the blame, if it was Hillarys security detail you’d have no problem. In fact, in that case he wouldnt hage gotten anywhere near the room.
if it was Hillarys security detail you’d have no problem
it wasn’t Hillarys security detail. it wasn’t Hillary.
an actual Republican legislator physically assaulted a reporter.
and you’re defending him.
typical. not surprising.
if it was Hillarys security detail you’d have no problem
it wasn’t Hillarys security detail. it wasn’t Hillary.
an actual Republican legislator physically assaulted a reporter.
and you’re defending him.
typical. not surprising.
There are news outlets that people on this thread think should be shut down.
There are some I wish would go out of business because enough people would come to realize that they spew lies and unnecessarily foment outrage, while bringing little to nothing of journalistic value to the table.
Maybe that’s what Marty meant. But I doubt it.
There are news outlets that people on this thread think should be shut down.
There are some I wish would go out of business because enough people would come to realize that they spew lies and unnecessarily foment outrage, while bringing little to nothing of journalistic value to the table.
Maybe that’s what Marty meant. But I doubt it.
What happened.
Note:
The charge Gianforte pleaded guilty to was misdemeanor assault.
If you have to tell yourself lies to continue believing what you want to believe, maybe it’s not worth it.
But, carry on as you wish.
Maybe that’s what Marty meant.
Marty can explain what he meant, if he so desires.
And with that, I’m leaving Marty alone for the rest of the day.
What happened.
Note:
The charge Gianforte pleaded guilty to was misdemeanor assault.
If you have to tell yourself lies to continue believing what you want to believe, maybe it’s not worth it.
But, carry on as you wish.
Maybe that’s what Marty meant.
Marty can explain what he meant, if he so desires.
And with that, I’m leaving Marty alone for the rest of the day.
Another quote from Simon’s interview is, perhaps, apposite.
Because the appropriate response to… organized disinformation campaigns is not to politely reason with such in long threads of fact-sharing. All that does is lend a fundamental credence to the worst kind of speech—which, grievously, seems to be the paradigm that Twitter prefers at present. It’s a paradigm that offers two basic choices: Ignore the deplorati—which allows the dishonesty or cruelty to stand in public view and acquire the veneer of credibility by doing so. Or worse, engage in some measure of serious disputation with all manner of horseshit, which also grants trash the veneer of credibility…
The piece is well worth reading in full:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/david-simon-twitter-ban-mike-godwin-interview.html
Another quote from Simon’s interview is, perhaps, apposite.
Because the appropriate response to… organized disinformation campaigns is not to politely reason with such in long threads of fact-sharing. All that does is lend a fundamental credence to the worst kind of speech—which, grievously, seems to be the paradigm that Twitter prefers at present. It’s a paradigm that offers two basic choices: Ignore the deplorati—which allows the dishonesty or cruelty to stand in public view and acquire the veneer of credibility by doing so. Or worse, engage in some measure of serious disputation with all manner of horseshit, which also grants trash the veneer of credibility…
The piece is well worth reading in full:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/david-simon-twitter-ban-mike-godwin-interview.html
“There are some I wish would go out of business because enough people would come to realize that they spew lies and unnecessarily foment outrage, while bringing little to nothing of journalistic value to the table.”
Yeah this.
“There are some I wish would go out of business because enough people would come to realize that they spew lies and unnecessarily foment outrage, while bringing little to nothing of journalistic value to the table.”
Yeah this.
He was a politician who had no upside in challenging this, as his political advisor I would have told him to do all that. It doesn’t mean the reporter didn’t accost him, the reporter had no risk of a price to pay for what he did.
If you have to tell yourself it is ok for reporters to be assholes then go ahead.
He was a politician who had no upside in challenging this, as his political advisor I would have told him to do all that. It doesn’t mean the reporter didn’t accost him, the reporter had no risk of a price to pay for what he did.
If you have to tell yourself it is ok for reporters to be assholes then go ahead.
Did he accost him or assault him?
Also, too, I don’t think it’s okay for anyone to be an asshole. If it were okay, it would be “being an asshole” in the first place. So, what you have to demonstrate is that the reporter was actually being an asshole in a convincing way. Then you have to demonstrate that the response to his being an asshole was appropriate for a public, political figure.
Did he accost him or assault him?
Also, too, I don’t think it’s okay for anyone to be an asshole. If it were okay, it would be “being an asshole” in the first place. So, what you have to demonstrate is that the reporter was actually being an asshole in a convincing way. Then you have to demonstrate that the response to his being an asshole was appropriate for a public, political figure.
If it were okay, it wouldn’t be “being an asshole” in the first place.
(dammit)
If it were okay, it wouldn’t be “being an asshole” in the first place.
(dammit)
Did he accost him or assault him?
He accaulted him. This is punishable by being elected to Congress.
Did he accost him or assault him?
He accaulted him. This is punishable by being elected to Congress.
It’s not so hard to learn what happened.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter
Now, if Marty wants to make a case that an eyewitness report by FOX News employees isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on because the lot of them are hired, trained, and do the twirl for the cause of being fucking liars about every subject in the book, I’m willing to listen.
It’s not so hard to learn what happened.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter
Now, if Marty wants to make a case that an eyewitness report by FOX News employees isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on because the lot of them are hired, trained, and do the twirl for the cause of being fucking liars about every subject in the book, I’m willing to listen.
I think Gianforte should be provided the same quantity and quality of defense and understanding from conservatives that Trayvon Martin received, adjusted of course for melanin content.
It’s not difficult to fake zero.
I think Gianforte should be provided the same quantity and quality of defense and understanding from conservatives that Trayvon Martin received, adjusted of course for melanin content.
It’s not difficult to fake zero.
I notice Marty is plea bargaining the reporter’s actions from assault down to accosting.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accost
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault
All exercises of the First Amendment are an accost on something or someone.
I hate peas. So take a swing at me, motherfuckers.
If we are going to equate those actions with physical assault, then my constitutional interpretation of bullets in flight, much like dollars transferred into politician’s bank accounts, as a form of free speech might gain some traction.
I notice Marty is plea bargaining the reporter’s actions from assault down to accosting.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accost
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault
All exercises of the First Amendment are an accost on something or someone.
I hate peas. So take a swing at me, motherfuckers.
If we are going to equate those actions with physical assault, then my constitutional interpretation of bullets in flight, much like dollars transferred into politician’s bank accounts, as a form of free speech might gain some traction.
In this fluid and uncertain world, Marty’s preference for authoritarianism is a rock on which you could build a church.
“Politicians” (as long as they’re Republican) should not have to put up with pesky reporters “accosting” them, because “politicians” deserve the respect due to Authority.
“Politicians” (as long as they’re Republican) should be free to preach sermons and send out epistles; reporters should respectfully transcribe them in silence, like monks.
“Politicians” (as long as they’re Republican) who lead their congregations in hymns like “Lock Her Up” are merely promulgating the Gospel According to Marty.
All this is subject to change the minute another Kenyan Usurper insinuates himself into the White House like a serpent into Eden.
–TP
In this fluid and uncertain world, Marty’s preference for authoritarianism is a rock on which you could build a church.
“Politicians” (as long as they’re Republican) should not have to put up with pesky reporters “accosting” them, because “politicians” deserve the respect due to Authority.
“Politicians” (as long as they’re Republican) should be free to preach sermons and send out epistles; reporters should respectfully transcribe them in silence, like monks.
“Politicians” (as long as they’re Republican) who lead their congregations in hymns like “Lock Her Up” are merely promulgating the Gospel According to Marty.
All this is subject to change the minute another Kenyan Usurper insinuates himself into the White House like a serpent into Eden.
–TP
Here’s a guy exercising his politically CORRECT First Amendment rights:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ryanairs-punishment-for-racist-passenger-who-called-an-elderly-black-woman-a-stupid-ugly-cow-more-legroom-2018-10-22?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts
We have a large opinion gap to bridge in terms of what to do about these events.
Some say, as I do, that Gianforte should have fully and justifiably been gut shot by the reporter in self-defense like Trayvon Martin was.
I think the elderly black lady should have pistol-whipped that racist conservative on the plane.
The compromise was to give the conservative fuck more leg room.
I hope the lady receives free drinks from RyanAir for the rest of her life, but considering that the head of the airline has ruminated about having passengers STAND, like sardines for the entirety of future flights, I doubt drinks of any kind are available.
Has I been a witness to the racist verbal assault on that flight and then sat there for the rest of the flight with MY kneecaps up against the metal cross bar on the back of the seat in front of me, I’d have followed the fuck to his car in the parking garage and accosted him with the First Amendment.
Here’s a guy exercising his politically CORRECT First Amendment rights:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ryanairs-punishment-for-racist-passenger-who-called-an-elderly-black-woman-a-stupid-ugly-cow-more-legroom-2018-10-22?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts
We have a large opinion gap to bridge in terms of what to do about these events.
Some say, as I do, that Gianforte should have fully and justifiably been gut shot by the reporter in self-defense like Trayvon Martin was.
I think the elderly black lady should have pistol-whipped that racist conservative on the plane.
The compromise was to give the conservative fuck more leg room.
I hope the lady receives free drinks from RyanAir for the rest of her life, but considering that the head of the airline has ruminated about having passengers STAND, like sardines for the entirety of future flights, I doubt drinks of any kind are available.
Has I been a witness to the racist verbal assault on that flight and then sat there for the rest of the flight with MY kneecaps up against the metal cross bar on the back of the seat in front of me, I’d have followed the fuck to his car in the parking garage and accosted him with the First Amendment.
It’s hard to disagree with Marty’s logic on this one: Trump says Gianforte body-slammed the reporter. Therefore he didn’t.
It’s hard to disagree with Marty’s logic on this one: Trump says Gianforte body-slammed the reporter. Therefore he didn’t.
Poor exasperated Lindsay Graham:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-betrayed-crown-prince-done-me
Meanwhile, Khashoggi may still be alive and trying to sneak across our southern border:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-claims-baselessly-that-criminals-unknown-middle-easterners-part-of-caravan
Better kill him again, Mr President.
Poor exasperated Lindsay Graham:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-betrayed-crown-prince-done-me
Meanwhile, Khashoggi may still be alive and trying to sneak across our southern border:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-claims-baselessly-that-criminals-unknown-middle-easterners-part-of-caravan
Better kill him again, Mr President.
I’m picky, I in WWF that wasnt a body slam, on the other hand, being told multiple times not to go in a room, being told to leave and then sticking s microphone in the guys face would get him forcibly removed from any candidates hq.
Accosted, assaulted pick your term, either one would get you forcibly restrained by any security team. Too bad he didn’t have one, it would have been a nonevent.
I’m picky, I in WWF that wasnt a body slam, on the other hand, being told multiple times not to go in a room, being told to leave and then sticking s microphone in the guys face would get him forcibly removed from any candidates hq.
Accosted, assaulted pick your term, either one would get you forcibly restrained by any security team. Too bad he didn’t have one, it would have been a nonevent.
It’s an ugly, ugly playbook. If a Republican hurts you, or a hit squad kills you, or any right winger does anything bad to you whatsoever…… the hordes are out, explaining how and why it’s your fault. The reporter whacked by Gianforte, Christine Blasey Ford, Kashoggi, children at the border (didja know this is all happening because their parents are irresponsible?), the dead woman at Charlottesville, the list could go endlessly on.
Sitting around here arguing for years on end with a self-styled independent thinker cum Fox News parrot who has nothing more original to say than the bots who flood twitter, and who is no more likely to change his mind than they are, and who is better at standing words on their heads than Saruman, is a criminal waste of the precious minutes of my life.
I am going offline. You all have fun now.
It’s an ugly, ugly playbook. If a Republican hurts you, or a hit squad kills you, or any right winger does anything bad to you whatsoever…… the hordes are out, explaining how and why it’s your fault. The reporter whacked by Gianforte, Christine Blasey Ford, Kashoggi, children at the border (didja know this is all happening because their parents are irresponsible?), the dead woman at Charlottesville, the list could go endlessly on.
Sitting around here arguing for years on end with a self-styled independent thinker cum Fox News parrot who has nothing more original to say than the bots who flood twitter, and who is no more likely to change his mind than they are, and who is better at standing words on their heads than Saruman, is a criminal waste of the precious minutes of my life.
I am going offline. You all have fun now.
“being told to leave and then sticking s microphone in the guys face would get him forcibly removed from any candidates hq.”
Who? Khashoggi?
The WWF is the standard now for body slams? Just the fake ones, or what?
mp is about to float a new meme that Khashoggi was merely auditioning with the 18-man* tag team in the WWF wrestling studio at the Saudi’s Turkish Embassy. WWF, yet another piece of shit shiny cultural thing America is polluting the world with, is big money now in Saudi Arabia.
A pile driving, suggested by Khashoggi as a lark, went wrong, apparently, causing his head to separate from his torso. This often happens at stateside WWF events and the fans go wild.
I expect a Khashoggi body double, wearing a neck brace, will appear soon on Meet the Accosters and in chastened Andy Kaufmann-style tearfully admit that any rumors doubting the reality of WWF wrestling moves are, well, fake news, as you can clearly see.
The whole thing is a WWF stunt to take audience share away from ISIS on the Middle Eastern carnage channels.
Should I run for political office in America and any personnel from this outfit, described below, accosts me with their mouths or otherwise come anywhere near me, the last thing they see will see is a machete heading for their necks.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/the-growth-of-sinclairs-conservative-media-empire
Jounalism as an institution is dead. The Supreme Court as an institution is dead. The Congress as an institution is dead. The Presidency is dead, but like a laugh track in a funeral parlor, the undertaker hasn’t turned off the music yet.
But all of that is SO last week.
Mp is about to destroy the Federal Reserve for insufficient fealty to his foreskin.
Death threats targeting the Chairman and all of the Governors who vote to raise the fed funds rate further are being mobilized from the WWF office in the White House.
mp has been asking his staff about the time LBJ physically assaulted Fed Chairman William McChesney Martin by pushing him around a room at Johnson’s Texas ranch and up against a wall over the finer points of Fed policy and wondering if the Khashoggi template should be put into play with Jerome Powell.
*the 18 are now 17, down one, as one of the murderers has already been snuffed Lee Harvey Oswald-style in a car accident. If I had to guess, I would say it was the individual who relayed mp’s order to murder Khashoggi to the rest of the crew.
“being told to leave and then sticking s microphone in the guys face would get him forcibly removed from any candidates hq.”
Who? Khashoggi?
The WWF is the standard now for body slams? Just the fake ones, or what?
mp is about to float a new meme that Khashoggi was merely auditioning with the 18-man* tag team in the WWF wrestling studio at the Saudi’s Turkish Embassy. WWF, yet another piece of shit shiny cultural thing America is polluting the world with, is big money now in Saudi Arabia.
A pile driving, suggested by Khashoggi as a lark, went wrong, apparently, causing his head to separate from his torso. This often happens at stateside WWF events and the fans go wild.
I expect a Khashoggi body double, wearing a neck brace, will appear soon on Meet the Accosters and in chastened Andy Kaufmann-style tearfully admit that any rumors doubting the reality of WWF wrestling moves are, well, fake news, as you can clearly see.
The whole thing is a WWF stunt to take audience share away from ISIS on the Middle Eastern carnage channels.
Should I run for political office in America and any personnel from this outfit, described below, accosts me with their mouths or otherwise come anywhere near me, the last thing they see will see is a machete heading for their necks.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/the-growth-of-sinclairs-conservative-media-empire
Jounalism as an institution is dead. The Supreme Court as an institution is dead. The Congress as an institution is dead. The Presidency is dead, but like a laugh track in a funeral parlor, the undertaker hasn’t turned off the music yet.
But all of that is SO last week.
Mp is about to destroy the Federal Reserve for insufficient fealty to his foreskin.
Death threats targeting the Chairman and all of the Governors who vote to raise the fed funds rate further are being mobilized from the WWF office in the White House.
mp has been asking his staff about the time LBJ physically assaulted Fed Chairman William McChesney Martin by pushing him around a room at Johnson’s Texas ranch and up against a wall over the finer points of Fed policy and wondering if the Khashoggi template should be put into play with Jerome Powell.
*the 18 are now 17, down one, as one of the murderers has already been snuffed Lee Harvey Oswald-style in a car accident. If I had to guess, I would say it was the individual who relayed mp’s order to murder Khashoggi to the rest of the crew.
The Iron Sheik would use a Camel Clutch, not a body slam.
The Iron Sheik would use a Camel Clutch, not a body slam.
I decline to engage in some measure of serious disputation with… Marty.
I decline to engage in some measure of serious disputation with… Marty.
I would like to take this opportunity to suggest the OBWI update its posting rules to more closely align ourselves with the corporate republican political Zeitgiest.
Make I suggest this list, surely not complete as it does not contain language regarding cake, as a template.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/ask-the-compliance-expert
Whatever we do, as we move for .. scratch that .. backward.. let us avoid letting our consciences be our guides, as that is counter to the direction the rest of the world is headed.
Thank you.
I would like to take this opportunity to suggest the OBWI update its posting rules to more closely align ourselves with the corporate republican political Zeitgiest.
Make I suggest this list, surely not complete as it does not contain language regarding cake, as a template.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/ask-the-compliance-expert
Whatever we do, as we move for .. scratch that .. backward.. let us avoid letting our consciences be our guides, as that is counter to the direction the rest of the world is headed.
Thank you.
Khashoggi?
According to the Turks, which means maybe maybe not.
Who’s setting up who? Hard to know which end is up these days.
Khashoggi?
According to the Turks, which means maybe maybe not.
Who’s setting up who? Hard to know which end is up these days.
Turns out I do this for my health after all:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/
Turns out I do this for my health after all:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/
What the victim had to say.
I’d say Marty is simply repeating bald faced lies.
But if being provoked is a justification for committing criminal acts of violence, then so be it. Women trying to enter abortion clinics are therefore fully entitled to the “stand your ground” defense and may justifiably undertake all measures, up to and including lethal force, to protect themselves.
What the victim had to say.
I’d say Marty is simply repeating bald faced lies.
But if being provoked is a justification for committing criminal acts of violence, then so be it. Women trying to enter abortion clinics are therefore fully entitled to the “stand your ground” defense and may justifiably undertake all measures, up to and including lethal force, to protect themselves.
Since it’s an open thread, something completely different… Marriott will be opening a 1501-room hotel and convention center near Denver International Airport in December. They announced today that they have already booked more than a million room-nights. DIA proper has broken ground to add 39 additional gates. I am just… staggered every time I think about how much Front Range Colorado has grown since we moved here 30 years ago.
Since it’s an open thread, something completely different… Marriott will be opening a 1501-room hotel and convention center near Denver International Airport in December. They announced today that they have already booked more than a million room-nights. DIA proper has broken ground to add 39 additional gates. I am just… staggered every time I think about how much Front Range Colorado has grown since we moved here 30 years ago.
Have to put California expatriates somewhere…
Have to put California expatriates somewhere…
I’d say Marty is simply repeating bald faced lies.
I don’t know, I think that Marty gets called on something and he doesn’t feel like he can back down. Others drop off and return after the kerfluffle, but Marty feels like he needs to keep swinging. I think you see this a lot on the internet, someone offers an opinion, someone else says no and then there is a flurry of googling to support the held opinion.
I’m sure it isn’t helped by the fact that there is a cottage industry of pushing out alternative narratives. GIven the defenses Marty put forward for Gianforte, I wouldn’t be surprised if he located the press release of Gianforte’s campaign, which said
The Gianforte campaign initially blamed Jacobs for the incident, issuing a statement that falsely claimed the reporter “grabbed Greg’s wrist, and spun away from Greg, pushing them both to the ground”.
“It’s unfortunate that this aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene at our campaign volunteer BBQ,” campaign spokesman Shane Scanlon said in the statement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/12/republican-greg-gianforte-sentenced-assaulting-guardian-reporter
After finding out that this narrative was rejected in a court of law, it then becomes, well, Gianforte didn’t want to have to deal with all the work of refuting it, a mike was shoved in his face, any competent security detail would have done something similar. But this all goes back to the initial refusal to climb down. That’s why there is the anger at extending the logic: the person who refuses to back down doesn’t embrace the logic of punching someone out when they ask a question, even if it is unreasonable, and so the person gets angry when it is pointed out that this is what they are advocating. So we have the manufactured facts of an overzealous left wing reporter barging into a campaign hq and of course, they will be dealt with the security detail. But the whole point of the incident was that the “security detail” was Gianforte getting angry at a question that was posed to him.
I have to think that this is a pathology of a lot of Trump supporters, that the worst possible thing in the world is to be wrong. But it’s not, it’s refusing to acknowledge that you are wrong…
I’d say Marty is simply repeating bald faced lies.
I don’t know, I think that Marty gets called on something and he doesn’t feel like he can back down. Others drop off and return after the kerfluffle, but Marty feels like he needs to keep swinging. I think you see this a lot on the internet, someone offers an opinion, someone else says no and then there is a flurry of googling to support the held opinion.
I’m sure it isn’t helped by the fact that there is a cottage industry of pushing out alternative narratives. GIven the defenses Marty put forward for Gianforte, I wouldn’t be surprised if he located the press release of Gianforte’s campaign, which said
The Gianforte campaign initially blamed Jacobs for the incident, issuing a statement that falsely claimed the reporter “grabbed Greg’s wrist, and spun away from Greg, pushing them both to the ground”.
“It’s unfortunate that this aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene at our campaign volunteer BBQ,” campaign spokesman Shane Scanlon said in the statement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/12/republican-greg-gianforte-sentenced-assaulting-guardian-reporter
After finding out that this narrative was rejected in a court of law, it then becomes, well, Gianforte didn’t want to have to deal with all the work of refuting it, a mike was shoved in his face, any competent security detail would have done something similar. But this all goes back to the initial refusal to climb down. That’s why there is the anger at extending the logic: the person who refuses to back down doesn’t embrace the logic of punching someone out when they ask a question, even if it is unreasonable, and so the person gets angry when it is pointed out that this is what they are advocating. So we have the manufactured facts of an overzealous left wing reporter barging into a campaign hq and of course, they will be dealt with the security detail. But the whole point of the incident was that the “security detail” was Gianforte getting angry at a question that was posed to him.
I have to think that this is a pathology of a lot of Trump supporters, that the worst possible thing in the world is to be wrong. But it’s not, it’s refusing to acknowledge that you are wrong…
True. Colorado was one of the first places that began experiencing the California Diaspora. My friend the anthropologist tells me that that’s actually a thing, not just anecdotes. I play with IRS and Census Bureau interstate migration numbers from time to time, and it’s clear that the large majority of Californians who leave stay in western states.
True. Colorado was one of the first places that began experiencing the California Diaspora. My friend the anthropologist tells me that that’s actually a thing, not just anecdotes. I play with IRS and Census Bureau interstate migration numbers from time to time, and it’s clear that the large majority of Californians who leave stay in western states.
LA to Denver isn’t that much more of a drive than Thousand Oaks to SD when there’s an accident on the Camp Pendleton stretch of the 5.
Are you sure all those expatriates are working in CO and not just stretch commuting?
LA to Denver isn’t that much more of a drive than Thousand Oaks to SD when there’s an accident on the Camp Pendleton stretch of the 5.
Are you sure all those expatriates are working in CO and not just stretch commuting?
People outside California just have no conception of what we accept as a “normal” commute. (Possibly because no sensible person would be willing to live with it. But there you are….)
People outside California just have no conception of what we accept as a “normal” commute. (Possibly because no sensible person would be willing to live with it. But there you are….)
Speaking of pathology, read Chapter 8 of Thomas Frank’s “The Wrecking Crew”, entitled “The Best Public Servant is the Worst One”, which is merely a review of the conversative ebola the vermin call policy regarding civil servants.
We keep having to review this stuff every decade or so, just as we keep seeing tax cuts sold as revenue enhancers, when they are deficit increasers to hasten total bankruptcy of the Federal Government.
This is my LAST time living thru this fucking shit.
This time around we savagely and violently terminate the entire republican/conservative movement.
Speaking of pathology, read Chapter 8 of Thomas Frank’s “The Wrecking Crew”, entitled “The Best Public Servant is the Worst One”, which is merely a review of the conversative ebola the vermin call policy regarding civil servants.
We keep having to review this stuff every decade or so, just as we keep seeing tax cuts sold as revenue enhancers, when they are deficit increasers to hasten total bankruptcy of the Federal Government.
This is my LAST time living thru this fucking shit.
This time around we savagely and violently terminate the entire republican/conservative movement.
When I was doing technology due diligence for a large company in Denver, one of the least attractive parts of it was that I was often told to get on the plane in Denver at 7:00 am, land pretty much anywhere along the West Coast by 8:00 am local time, make a 10:00 meeting, spend the day tripping up their engineers, then fly back to Denver and be in my own bed by 10:30 pm.
The next day was always painful, as my body insisted that it had been ripped out of the space-time continuum and then jammed back in.
I interpreted the body language of some of those engineers as indicating that their trip in for the meeting wasn’t much easier than mine.
When I was doing technology due diligence for a large company in Denver, one of the least attractive parts of it was that I was often told to get on the plane in Denver at 7:00 am, land pretty much anywhere along the West Coast by 8:00 am local time, make a 10:00 meeting, spend the day tripping up their engineers, then fly back to Denver and be in my own bed by 10:30 pm.
The next day was always painful, as my body insisted that it had been ripped out of the space-time continuum and then jammed back in.
I interpreted the body language of some of those engineers as indicating that their trip in for the meeting wasn’t much easier than mine.
lj…this may have some relationship to your last entry.
lj…this may have some relationship to your last entry.
JanieM: I am going offline. You all have fun now.
I hope Janie is talking about only a short break from the endless loop of “I hate Trump but I support his (Republican) policies”.
For my part, ridiculing Marty is my chief recreation — nay, my mission in life.
My immediate tactical objective on this mission is to keep Marty commenting here. His own words do far more to discredit the Republican/conservative POV than any snark I can muster. Far from hoping to change his mind about anything, I look forward to further and better particulars of Marty’s deplorable views.
–TP
JanieM: I am going offline. You all have fun now.
I hope Janie is talking about only a short break from the endless loop of “I hate Trump but I support his (Republican) policies”.
For my part, ridiculing Marty is my chief recreation — nay, my mission in life.
My immediate tactical objective on this mission is to keep Marty commenting here. His own words do far more to discredit the Republican/conservative POV than any snark I can muster. Far from hoping to change his mind about anything, I look forward to further and better particulars of Marty’s deplorable views.
–TP
Ah, capitalism.
“Leaving The Bay Area was created to help Bay Area residents simplify the process of selling their home, purchasing elsewhere and managing the move details.
“We are a collective network of experienced Local and Nationwide real estate professionals specializing in helping Bay Area homeowners sell their home and relocate to a new city seamlessly.”
Leaving The Bay Area
Ah, capitalism.
“Leaving The Bay Area was created to help Bay Area residents simplify the process of selling their home, purchasing elsewhere and managing the move details.
“We are a collective network of experienced Local and Nationwide real estate professionals specializing in helping Bay Area homeowners sell their home and relocate to a new city seamlessly.”
Leaving The Bay Area
Why Californians tend to stay in the West comes up in various conversations I am in from time to time. My friend the anthropologist and his wife the ethnographer claim that the West is defined by its suburbs, and the suburbs of every major metro area in the West are more like each other than they are like anything east of the Great Plains. My wife says humidity aversion. I am more childish, and claim that once you live somewhere that you see something like this from time to time, you’re unwilling to give it up.
Why Californians tend to stay in the West comes up in various conversations I am in from time to time. My friend the anthropologist and his wife the ethnographer claim that the West is defined by its suburbs, and the suburbs of every major metro area in the West are more like each other than they are like anything east of the Great Plains. My wife says humidity aversion. I am more childish, and claim that once you live somewhere that you see something like this from time to time, you’re unwilling to give it up.
“Ah, capitalism”
Ya mean where you cash in your inflated estate values that have driven the poor and middle classes into total unaffordability in one area and you take your inflated dollars to another area and create another inflated real estate market that drives the poor and middle classes into total unaffordability there as well.
Ah, piss on that.
“Ah, capitalism”
Ya mean where you cash in your inflated estate values that have driven the poor and middle classes into total unaffordability in one area and you take your inflated dollars to another area and create another inflated real estate market that drives the poor and middle classes into total unaffordability there as well.
Ah, piss on that.
Denver seems gorgeous. But I stay in Charlottesville. Because:
This.
Then this.
Turning to this.
And then this.
I’ve been so lucky to live in America. It was nice when I was younger and thought that we all realized how much there is here to share.
Denver seems gorgeous. But I stay in Charlottesville. Because:
This.
Then this.
Turning to this.
And then this.
I’ve been so lucky to live in America. It was nice when I was younger and thought that we all realized how much there is here to share.
I see that my first link doesn’t work, even though I checked it. That’s okay, I’ll try another.
Or google for images of “fall in Charlottesville”. It’s not easy to beat the beauty here.
The USA has infinite beauty. I hope that its people can step up to match it.
I see that my first link doesn’t work, even though I checked it. That’s okay, I’ll try another.
Or google for images of “fall in Charlottesville”. It’s not easy to beat the beauty here.
The USA has infinite beauty. I hope that its people can step up to match it.
Well, that’s enough. lj, I cant find it right now but I simply read a description of what happened, no grabbing a hand.
But, as the counterpoint to JanieM, I’ve had enough. I came here, and stayed, because a conversation broke out every now and then. Not anymore.
For lots longer than my life simple conservative versus liberal versus whatever discussions have been had, often vehemently, even between friends.
I am not really even all that far right. But each round here gets more personal, more judgemental and less communicative. Every set of comments more vitriolic. I cant even imagine what it will be like in 4 weeks.
There is certainly no voice of moderation left here. When I first came there was this offbeat guy who wrote aggressively, but served a purpose, I always read his stuff first. Then there was russell, moderation personified, i did not always agree with him but always felt he had an understanding of all sides of a discussion.
Lots of others along the way, but now I’m just irritated all the time. Nothing is discussable, everything is the end of the world, unless you do x you are y. There is no spectrum, it’s our way or the highway. And beyond that, it’s just one attack after another. And I play sometimes, shame on me.
I have struggled with this over the last few months, but I have decided that its enough. I dont want to be the foil, I dont want to try to create more positive dialog, and I sure dont want to think of myself as being as hostile as I am sometimes.
So I’m taking me back from this. I’m nicer, more thoughtful, actually more liberal and a better human being than I can be here.
I dont want to be this.
Well, that’s enough. lj, I cant find it right now but I simply read a description of what happened, no grabbing a hand.
But, as the counterpoint to JanieM, I’ve had enough. I came here, and stayed, because a conversation broke out every now and then. Not anymore.
For lots longer than my life simple conservative versus liberal versus whatever discussions have been had, often vehemently, even between friends.
I am not really even all that far right. But each round here gets more personal, more judgemental and less communicative. Every set of comments more vitriolic. I cant even imagine what it will be like in 4 weeks.
There is certainly no voice of moderation left here. When I first came there was this offbeat guy who wrote aggressively, but served a purpose, I always read his stuff first. Then there was russell, moderation personified, i did not always agree with him but always felt he had an understanding of all sides of a discussion.
Lots of others along the way, but now I’m just irritated all the time. Nothing is discussable, everything is the end of the world, unless you do x you are y. There is no spectrum, it’s our way or the highway. And beyond that, it’s just one attack after another. And I play sometimes, shame on me.
I have struggled with this over the last few months, but I have decided that its enough. I dont want to be the foil, I dont want to try to create more positive dialog, and I sure dont want to think of myself as being as hostile as I am sometimes.
So I’m taking me back from this. I’m nicer, more thoughtful, actually more liberal and a better human being than I can be here.
I dont want to be this.
I dont want to be this.
I don’t want you to be this either, Marty. But you are.
I dont want to be this.
I don’t want you to be this either, Marty. But you are.
I dont want to be this.
i suspect a lot of us can tell. but then you end up defending Trump/ism. and it just seems crazy.
you’ll be welcomed back, if you choose to come back.
I dont want to be this.
i suspect a lot of us can tell. but then you end up defending Trump/ism. and it just seems crazy.
you’ll be welcomed back, if you choose to come back.
Sorry to see you going, Marty, and if my analysis of what I saw the problems of your argumentation about Gianforte was the reason you are leaving, I’m sorry, but that’s what I see. And I do agree with cleek’s point.
About the link that bobbyp points to, the original piece it is from is worth a read as is anything else by Lili Loofbourow
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/anger-in-america-trumpism-incivility.html
I thought of posting it here, but I didn’t, not because I didn’t agree with it, but because who she is writing to and for is, at least it seems to be, to not be the crowd we have here.
But do read the whole thing, it is quite interesting.
Sorry to see you going, Marty, and if my analysis of what I saw the problems of your argumentation about Gianforte was the reason you are leaving, I’m sorry, but that’s what I see. And I do agree with cleek’s point.
About the link that bobbyp points to, the original piece it is from is worth a read as is anything else by Lili Loofbourow
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/anger-in-america-trumpism-incivility.html
I thought of posting it here, but I didn’t, not because I didn’t agree with it, but because who she is writing to and for is, at least it seems to be, to not be the crowd we have here.
But do read the whole thing, it is quite interesting.
Ah,
capitalismrealators! Always willing to assist those who shall pay our both-ways commissions!Ah,
capitalismrealators! Always willing to assist those who shall pay our both-ways commissions!I posted a link to the Lili Loofboirow article a few days back, as I thought it spoke deeply about the couple of things we’ve been talking about more or less constantly for the last year or so.
And yes, Trump is a rage machine.
And Marty, I don’t think you’re far right at all. The source of my own frustration is your apparent lack of skepticism about what revolves around what has become the party of Trump.
I posted a link to the Lili Loofboirow article a few days back, as I thought it spoke deeply about the couple of things we’ve been talking about more or less constantly for the last year or so.
And yes, Trump is a rage machine.
And Marty, I don’t think you’re far right at all. The source of my own frustration is your apparent lack of skepticism about what revolves around what has become the party of Trump.
I posted a link to the Lili Loofboirow article a few days back
And misspelled her name today… my early morning iPad typing isn’t always accurate.
And I have to say, in all fairness to Marty, I find some of the Count’s recent posts unreadable, too. I understand the rhetorical stance, and sympathise with where it’s coming from, but it is simply not for me.
I posted a link to the Lili Loofboirow article a few days back
And misspelled her name today… my early morning iPad typing isn’t always accurate.
And I have to say, in all fairness to Marty, I find some of the Count’s recent posts unreadable, too. I understand the rhetorical stance, and sympathise with where it’s coming from, but it is simply not for me.
Personally, I see the developments Marty describes as a highly regrettable consequence of the extreme polarisation brought about by the Trump phenomenon. Of course, polarisation has been growing in the US (and the UK) for a while now, but Trump has acted like an incredible accelerant, and stretched people’s tolerance on every side so thin that it breaks.
Marty, I’m sorry you’re going, and I hope you find your way back here in due course.
Personally, I see the developments Marty describes as a highly regrettable consequence of the extreme polarisation brought about by the Trump phenomenon. Of course, polarisation has been growing in the US (and the UK) for a while now, but Trump has acted like an incredible accelerant, and stretched people’s tolerance on every side so thin that it breaks.
Marty, I’m sorry you’re going, and I hope you find your way back here in due course.
Trump’s gone Nationalist
this is fine
Trump’s gone Nationalist
this is fine
This is a twitter thread worth reading about our “nationalist” party.
This is a twitter thread worth reading about our “nationalist” party.
Not to be too politically correct or anything, but the hate campaign against Soros seems to be going a bit too far.
I wonder, if we suspected administration involvement, whether the Supreme Court would allow an investigation to go forward.
Not to be too politically correct or anything, but the hate campaign against Soros seems to be going a bit too far.
I wonder, if we suspected administration involvement, whether the Supreme Court would allow an investigation to go forward.
The Supreme Court doesn’t seem to want to find out any bad news about Wilbur Ross.
And Democrats might not win the House after all.
This election means everything.
The Supreme Court doesn’t seem to want to find out any bad news about Wilbur Ross.
And Democrats might not win the House after all.
This election means everything.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-arrested-for-groping-woman-tells-cops-trump-says-its-ok?via=newsletter&source=CSAMedition
https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-arrested-for-groping-woman-tells-cops-trump-says-its-ok?via=newsletter&source=CSAMedition
Marty: these are not normal times. We could have a vigorous but civil debate about the merits of Reaganomics for example. But not about supporting a fascist monster.
Marty: these are not normal times. We could have a vigorous but civil debate about the merits of Reaganomics for example. But not about supporting a fascist monster.
Trayvon Martin is dead.
Gianforte is a U.S. Representative from the largest district in the state of Montana
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/10/21/sasse-trump-praise-gianforte-assault/1722593002/
Playful?
Remind me again whose feelings are supposed to be hurt?
It’s my fault the reporter caused Gianforte to commit the crime of assault.
It’s my fault a conservative is trying to murder George Soros.
It’s my fault Khashoggi is in pieces.
It’s my fault an elderly black woman is called a nigger on an airplane.
It’s my fault another is grabbed by the crotch on another flight.
It’s my fault Kavanaugh drank himself to the point of aggravated assault numerous times and yet became the boss of everyone.
It’s my fault a playful monster is losing little Latin American kids so badly that their parents may never see them again.
It’s my fault that boys are proud and want to make up for it by beating the shit out of anyone who looks askance at fascist pride.
It’s my fault Mike Pence’s wife isn’t on her hands and knees in Indiana licking up gasoline that leaked from faulty gas stations instead of keeping an eagle eye for women who might jump her husband’s hot bones.
It’s my fault blacks are niggers.
It’s my fault Hispanics are rapists and animals.
It’s my fault Jews are rapacious Democrats.
It’s my fault women are unknowing temptresses with every slight breeze that swishes their skits.
Texas is my fault.
It’s my fault Vlad Putin and mp stole a Presidential election.
I don’t know whose fault the Emancipation Proclamation was but all signs are pointing to me and Karl Marx.
I plead guilty.
Now leave me the fuck alone.
I quit!
Trayvon Martin is dead.
Gianforte is a U.S. Representative from the largest district in the state of Montana
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/10/21/sasse-trump-praise-gianforte-assault/1722593002/
Playful?
Remind me again whose feelings are supposed to be hurt?
It’s my fault the reporter caused Gianforte to commit the crime of assault.
It’s my fault a conservative is trying to murder George Soros.
It’s my fault Khashoggi is in pieces.
It’s my fault an elderly black woman is called a nigger on an airplane.
It’s my fault another is grabbed by the crotch on another flight.
It’s my fault Kavanaugh drank himself to the point of aggravated assault numerous times and yet became the boss of everyone.
It’s my fault a playful monster is losing little Latin American kids so badly that their parents may never see them again.
It’s my fault that boys are proud and want to make up for it by beating the shit out of anyone who looks askance at fascist pride.
It’s my fault Mike Pence’s wife isn’t on her hands and knees in Indiana licking up gasoline that leaked from faulty gas stations instead of keeping an eagle eye for women who might jump her husband’s hot bones.
It’s my fault blacks are niggers.
It’s my fault Hispanics are rapists and animals.
It’s my fault Jews are rapacious Democrats.
It’s my fault women are unknowing temptresses with every slight breeze that swishes their skits.
Texas is my fault.
It’s my fault Vlad Putin and mp stole a Presidential election.
I don’t know whose fault the Emancipation Proclamation was but all signs are pointing to me and Karl Marx.
I plead guilty.
Now leave me the fuck alone.
I quit!
To be clear, it’s Barack Obama’s fault that the stock market is on the verge today of crashing.
A crash should seal the fate commie liberals in November and maybe account for the mysterious disappearance the Fed Chairman in a wood chipper malfunction.
Now, for pity’s sake, get off my back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSTXuJeTks
To be clear, it’s Barack Obama’s fault that the stock market is on the verge today of crashing.
A crash should seal the fate commie liberals in November and maybe account for the mysterious disappearance the Fed Chairman in a wood chipper malfunction.
Now, for pity’s sake, get off my back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSTXuJeTks
The nuclear football was dropped during the ensuing tussle and rolled under Lincoln’s bed in the White House, but a quick-thinking federal employee … a union member … retrieved it with a deft tuck and roll before Barron mp could swipe it and start making collect calls on the thing:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/kelly-grabbed-lewandowski-collar-shoved
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/following-trumps-lead-gop-leans-hard-into-culture-wars-in-closing-ads
I say give the Republican Party what they want, rivers of liberal, Hispanic, black, female, and Jewish blood in the streets.
There WILL be blood.
Be careful of my feelings in any response you may have.
Never mind. I’m outta here.
The nuclear football was dropped during the ensuing tussle and rolled under Lincoln’s bed in the White House, but a quick-thinking federal employee … a union member … retrieved it with a deft tuck and roll before Barron mp could swipe it and start making collect calls on the thing:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/kelly-grabbed-lewandowski-collar-shoved
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/following-trumps-lead-gop-leans-hard-into-culture-wars-in-closing-ads
I say give the Republican Party what they want, rivers of liberal, Hispanic, black, female, and Jewish blood in the streets.
There WILL be blood.
Be careful of my feelings in any response you may have.
Never mind. I’m outta here.
I dont want to be this.
I think it’s not unusual for people to “be something” online that is not what they are, or want to be, in normal daily life. I have to do a head check daily to make sure, or attempt to make sure, that I’m not being a complete dick in my online participation.
Your counterparty is just words on a page, not a real person standing in front of you.
I know that I’m much more confrontational here than I am in daily life, and I’m not always comfortable with it. Either with the behavior itself, or with the ease with which I slip into it.
The times are out of joint. And, so are we all.
I echo cleek’s 9:48.
This election means everything.
No. It doesn’t.
The (D)’s will probably make progress in the House. The might even achieve a majority. Or, they might not.
The (R)’s will probably hold the Senate. They might not, they probably will.
And Clickbait will still be POTUS.
Mueller will deliver his findings to Rosenstein. Rosenstein will… do something with them. We might never know or see what Mueller found.
If the (D)’s take the House, they will probably follow up with further investigation.
Those are the likely outcomes. This election is not going to magically transform the present circumstances. It might, and hopefully will, provide an incremental improvement.
This election has to be followed up with consistent ongoing engagement at community, city, county, state, and national levels. People have to get off of their asses, get involved, and stay involved.
If they do that, over time – a generation – things will turn around.
It took more than one election to get where we are. It will take more than one election to get someplace else.
All of that said, steady on, and let’s all make sure we get our @sses to the polls.
Members, don’t get weary.
I dont want to be this.
I think it’s not unusual for people to “be something” online that is not what they are, or want to be, in normal daily life. I have to do a head check daily to make sure, or attempt to make sure, that I’m not being a complete dick in my online participation.
Your counterparty is just words on a page, not a real person standing in front of you.
I know that I’m much more confrontational here than I am in daily life, and I’m not always comfortable with it. Either with the behavior itself, or with the ease with which I slip into it.
The times are out of joint. And, so are we all.
I echo cleek’s 9:48.
This election means everything.
No. It doesn’t.
The (D)’s will probably make progress in the House. The might even achieve a majority. Or, they might not.
The (R)’s will probably hold the Senate. They might not, they probably will.
And Clickbait will still be POTUS.
Mueller will deliver his findings to Rosenstein. Rosenstein will… do something with them. We might never know or see what Mueller found.
If the (D)’s take the House, they will probably follow up with further investigation.
Those are the likely outcomes. This election is not going to magically transform the present circumstances. It might, and hopefully will, provide an incremental improvement.
This election has to be followed up with consistent ongoing engagement at community, city, county, state, and national levels. People have to get off of their asses, get involved, and stay involved.
If they do that, over time – a generation – things will turn around.
It took more than one election to get where we are. It will take more than one election to get someplace else.
All of that said, steady on, and let’s all make sure we get our @sses to the polls.
Members, don’t get weary.
What the count said at 9:15.
Except, I don’t quit.
What the count said at 9:15.
Except, I don’t quit.
It took more than one election to get where we are. It will take more than one election to get someplace else.
I know this isn’t exactly what you were getting at with the above, russell. But what bothers me, as a fundamental problem – of which Trump may merely be a symptom, or may be a contributing cause – is the number of people in this country who are willing to believe such things as the migrant caravan being created as a plot by Democrats and that it consists in part of Middle Eastern terrorists. That problem, while it manifests itself in our politics in a very problematic way, goes beyond politics.
Some number of people have always been willing to believe patently ridiculous things. Maybe that number, percentage-wise, hasn’t actually changed, but has only become more apparent for various reasons. I certainly didn’t know (or didn’t know I knew) so many of them some number of years ago.
In all seriousness, I worry for my children more than ever because of this.
It took more than one election to get where we are. It will take more than one election to get someplace else.
I know this isn’t exactly what you were getting at with the above, russell. But what bothers me, as a fundamental problem – of which Trump may merely be a symptom, or may be a contributing cause – is the number of people in this country who are willing to believe such things as the migrant caravan being created as a plot by Democrats and that it consists in part of Middle Eastern terrorists. That problem, while it manifests itself in our politics in a very problematic way, goes beyond politics.
Some number of people have always been willing to believe patently ridiculous things. Maybe that number, percentage-wise, hasn’t actually changed, but has only become more apparent for various reasons. I certainly didn’t know (or didn’t know I knew) so many of them some number of years ago.
In all seriousness, I worry for my children more than ever because of this.
Look what I have gone and done:
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/10/take-skinheads-bowling
Last thing I remember, honest to God, was Martin Luther King falling on the Memphis motel balcony .. and then I bought a Toyota, it wasn’t even a Prius … and then everything went sort of brown, black, and yella and then … THIS.
Look what I have gone and done:
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/10/take-skinheads-bowling
Last thing I remember, honest to God, was Martin Luther King falling on the Memphis motel balcony .. and then I bought a Toyota, it wasn’t even a Prius … and then everything went sort of brown, black, and yella and then … THIS.
It wasn’t until hate for the OTHER, always simmering down low, began to be organized and transmitted, in a playful way to be sure, from the top down that things fell apart for the Tutsis and the Pygmy Batwa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide
Grover Norquist and Jack Abramoff were consulted on the mass importation of machetes, via private contractors, of course, to Rwanda.
Apparently something I wrote here at OBWI set Norquist off.
It wasn’t until hate for the OTHER, always simmering down low, began to be organized and transmitted, in a playful way to be sure, from the top down that things fell apart for the Tutsis and the Pygmy Batwa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide
Grover Norquist and Jack Abramoff were consulted on the mass importation of machetes, via private contractors, of course, to Rwanda.
Apparently something I wrote here at OBWI set Norquist off.
Some number of people have always been willing to believe patently ridiculous things. Maybe that number, percentage-wise, hasn’t actually changed, but has only become more apparent for various reasons.
Ailes and Murdoch figured out how to reliably attract and hold them, in order to make them all vibrate at the same frequency.
shit magnets, i think is the technical term.
Some number of people have always been willing to believe patently ridiculous things. Maybe that number, percentage-wise, hasn’t actually changed, but has only become more apparent for various reasons.
Ailes and Murdoch figured out how to reliably attract and hold them, in order to make them all vibrate at the same frequency.
shit magnets, i think is the technical term.
I mistakenly left all of the faggot/LGMT in this country off my catalog at 9:15am of those whose fates at the hands of vermin at the top is my fault.
I apologize.
I’ll quit supporting the LGMT community here so that my support is not taken as a signal by the mp republican party to kill all of you.
Ya know, rabid dogs sometimes mistake the smell of empathy for the smell of fear and will tear our throats out.
I’m going to keep my empathy in the closet for now so I don’t cause even more trouble for the Other.
russell: … I know that I’m much more confrontational here than I am in daily life, and I’m not always comfortable with it.
…
People have to get off of their asses, get involved, and stay involved.
Can we avoid the inherent tension between “involvement” and “confrontation”?
For me, voting is a given. Writing to my (Dem) congresswoman and my (Dem) senators, and donating a few bucks to (Dem) candidates, counts as involvement, I suppose, and is certainly non-confrontational. But does it change anybody’s mind about anything?
Going around knocking on doors to Get Out The Vote begins to meet the definition of confrontation. Pestering the apathetic, however politely, to vote — and vote right — can be perceived as confrontation. Marching in a rally — especially a counter-rally — is at least meant to be confrontational. And talking politics at work, in a bar, at the market, on the golf course or in church (whichever you spend Sunday mornings at), is clearly confrontational.
I know, I know: we can disagree politely and respectfully and all that. So it used to be, anyhow. Supposedly.
Still, effective involvement requires overcoming opposition from those who are “involved” on the other side. One way or another, it eventually boils down to “confrontation”.
–TP
I mistakenly left all of the faggot/LGMT in this country off my catalog at 9:15am of those whose fates at the hands of vermin at the top is my fault.
I apologize.
I’ll quit supporting the LGMT community here so that my support is not taken as a signal by the mp republican party to kill all of you.
Ya know, rabid dogs sometimes mistake the smell of empathy for the smell of fear and will tear our throats out.
I’m going to keep my empathy in the closet for now so I don’t cause even more trouble for the Other.
russell: … I know that I’m much more confrontational here than I am in daily life, and I’m not always comfortable with it.
…
People have to get off of their asses, get involved, and stay involved.
Can we avoid the inherent tension between “involvement” and “confrontation”?
For me, voting is a given. Writing to my (Dem) congresswoman and my (Dem) senators, and donating a few bucks to (Dem) candidates, counts as involvement, I suppose, and is certainly non-confrontational. But does it change anybody’s mind about anything?
Going around knocking on doors to Get Out The Vote begins to meet the definition of confrontation. Pestering the apathetic, however politely, to vote — and vote right — can be perceived as confrontation. Marching in a rally — especially a counter-rally — is at least meant to be confrontational. And talking politics at work, in a bar, at the market, on the golf course or in church (whichever you spend Sunday mornings at), is clearly confrontational.
I know, I know: we can disagree politely and respectfully and all that. So it used to be, anyhow. Supposedly.
Still, effective involvement requires overcoming opposition from those who are “involved” on the other side. One way or another, it eventually boils down to “confrontation”.
–TP
I’m going to try and be less aggressive with my empathy.
I don’t want Ben Sasse to think I’m hiding a vagina somewhere on my person:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/women-labeled-aggressive-face-a-double-standard-at-work-2018-10-23?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts
I’m going to try and be less aggressive with my empathy.
I don’t want Ben Sasse to think I’m hiding a vagina somewhere on my person:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/women-labeled-aggressive-face-a-double-standard-at-work-2018-10-23?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts
Mueller will deliver his findings to Rosenstein. Rosenstein will… do something with them. We might never know or see what Mueller found.
Mueller will very likely continue to do what he’s been doing, and deliver his findings in the indictments he brings. Congress and/or the administration doesn’t get to sit on those.
Mueller will deliver his findings to Rosenstein. Rosenstein will… do something with them. We might never know or see what Mueller found.
Mueller will very likely continue to do what he’s been doing, and deliver his findings in the indictments he brings. Congress and/or the administration doesn’t get to sit on those.
That problem, while it manifests itself in our politics in a very problematic way, goes beyond politics
Actually, that *is* exactly what I’m talking about.
The country is messed up. Profoundly. And the folks driving the bus are fostering and exploiting the very worst impulses to get their way.
Voting helps, because it can take the wheel out of their hands. But it takes a hell of a lot longer, and a hell of a lot more work, to change what people think.
And hell yeah, some confrontation is no doubt involved.
That problem, while it manifests itself in our politics in a very problematic way, goes beyond politics
Actually, that *is* exactly what I’m talking about.
The country is messed up. Profoundly. And the folks driving the bus are fostering and exploiting the very worst impulses to get their way.
Voting helps, because it can take the wheel out of their hands. But it takes a hell of a lot longer, and a hell of a lot more work, to change what people think.
And hell yeah, some confrontation is no doubt involved.
Decent humans can run but they can’t hide from murderous, drought-inducing, starvation-causing right-wingers worldwide. Everywhere you turn, nothing but filth:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/forget-trump-hysteria-heres-how-the-migrant-caravan-crisis-really-began?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning
Decent humans can run but they can’t hide from murderous, drought-inducing, starvation-causing right-wingers worldwide. Everywhere you turn, nothing but filth:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/forget-trump-hysteria-heres-how-the-migrant-caravan-crisis-really-began?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning
We have no alternative to confrontation. Until and unless the decent conservatives wrest back control of the GOP from the hands of the nationalistic demagogues bent on forcing a confrontation and reaffirm their commitment to working with those with whom they disagree, we will continue hurtling towards armed conflict and the dissolution of the United States.
In his landmark book, On Killing Grossman describes the psychological process that breaks an individual and makes it possible for him to participate in atrocities:
In these execution situations strong forces of moral distance, social distance, cultural distance, group absolution, close proximity, and obedience-demanding authority all join to compel the soldier to execute, overcoming the forlorn forces of his natural and learned decency and his natural resistance to killing.
Each soldier who actively or passively [emphasis mine] participates in such mass executions is faced with a stark choice. On the one hand, the soldier can resist the incredibly powerful array of forces that call for him to kill, and he will instantly be denied by his nation, his leaders, and his friends and will most likely be executed along with the other victims of this horror. On the other hand, the soldier can bow before the social and psychological forces that demand that he kill, and in doing so he will be strangely empowered.(209)
We have been seeing this mass psychology of the loyalty test going on for years on the fringes of the right. Trump is the first candidate to openly embrace this principle and use it to shore up his support in mass rallies. He has been compelling those around him to break their social taboos and follow his lead.
This is a prelude to mass violence and conditioning to dehumanize the enemy.
Of course there will be confrontation. But will there be enough? And will the confrontation be the right sort to avoid breaking the social contract entirely and irrevocably? That remains to be seen.
We have no alternative to confrontation. Until and unless the decent conservatives wrest back control of the GOP from the hands of the nationalistic demagogues bent on forcing a confrontation and reaffirm their commitment to working with those with whom they disagree, we will continue hurtling towards armed conflict and the dissolution of the United States.
In his landmark book, On Killing Grossman describes the psychological process that breaks an individual and makes it possible for him to participate in atrocities:
In these execution situations strong forces of moral distance, social distance, cultural distance, group absolution, close proximity, and obedience-demanding authority all join to compel the soldier to execute, overcoming the forlorn forces of his natural and learned decency and his natural resistance to killing.
Each soldier who actively or passively [emphasis mine] participates in such mass executions is faced with a stark choice. On the one hand, the soldier can resist the incredibly powerful array of forces that call for him to kill, and he will instantly be denied by his nation, his leaders, and his friends and will most likely be executed along with the other victims of this horror. On the other hand, the soldier can bow before the social and psychological forces that demand that he kill, and in doing so he will be strangely empowered.(209)
We have been seeing this mass psychology of the loyalty test going on for years on the fringes of the right. Trump is the first candidate to openly embrace this principle and use it to shore up his support in mass rallies. He has been compelling those around him to break their social taboos and follow his lead.
This is a prelude to mass violence and conditioning to dehumanize the enemy.
Of course there will be confrontation. But will there be enough? And will the confrontation be the right sort to avoid breaking the social contract entirely and irrevocably? That remains to be seen.
Recognizing that it’s happening, and calling it what it is, is an important first step. Thank you, nous. This is what we’re facing.
Recognizing that it’s happening, and calling it what it is, is an important first step. Thank you, nous. This is what we’re facing.
Yeah, but, kids, it’s just playfulness, a bit of harmless drollery on the part of the stand-up comedian-in-Chief and his fellow entertainers in the murderous republican party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUi7iyHTJ8Q&bpctr=1540314493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwXUyMT-pxI
a little dreamy soft shoe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqyQfjDScjU
a little, how you say, jocularity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbiAUDypb4Q
The set-up is “Batter up!” Wait for that punchline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHH9EYZHoVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLZNj_9sPgI
We’ll go around the table and each one of you may lick my balls.
You notice anyone at either of those tables raising a timid hand and suggesting Capone take ball four and be done with it?
We’re dealing with pure, unmitigated, murderous EVIL.
Usually, the elections come AFTER the genocide and the truth and reconciliation proceedings.
America thinks it can do those things in reverse.
Yeah, but, kids, it’s just playfulness, a bit of harmless drollery on the part of the stand-up comedian-in-Chief and his fellow entertainers in the murderous republican party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUi7iyHTJ8Q&bpctr=1540314493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwXUyMT-pxI
a little dreamy soft shoe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqyQfjDScjU
a little, how you say, jocularity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbiAUDypb4Q
The set-up is “Batter up!” Wait for that punchline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHH9EYZHoVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLZNj_9sPgI
We’ll go around the table and each one of you may lick my balls.
You notice anyone at either of those tables raising a timid hand and suggesting Capone take ball four and be done with it?
We’re dealing with pure, unmitigated, murderous EVIL.
Usually, the elections come AFTER the genocide and the truth and reconciliation proceedings.
America thinks it can do those things in reverse.
Yeah, but, kids, it’s just playfulness, a bit of harmless drollery on the part of the stand-up comedian-in-Chief and his fellow entertainers in the murderous republican party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUi7iyHTJ8Q&bpctr=1540314493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwXUyMT-pxI
a little dreamy soft shoe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqyQfjDScjU
a little, how you say, jocularity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbiAUDypb4Q
The set-up is “Batter up!” Wait for that punchline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHH9EYZHoVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLZNj_9sPgI
We’ll go around the table and each one of you may lick my balls.
You notice anyone at either of those tables raising a timid hand and suggesting Capone take ball four and be done with it?
We’re dealing with pure, unmitigated, murderous EVIL.
Usually, the elections come AFTER the genocide and the truth and reconciliation proceedings.
America thinks it can do those things in reverse.
Yeah, but, kids, it’s just playfulness, a bit of harmless drollery on the part of the stand-up comedian-in-Chief and his fellow entertainers in the murderous republican party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUi7iyHTJ8Q&bpctr=1540314493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwXUyMT-pxI
a little dreamy soft shoe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqyQfjDScjU
a little, how you say, jocularity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbiAUDypb4Q
The set-up is “Batter up!” Wait for that punchline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHH9EYZHoVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLZNj_9sPgI
We’ll go around the table and each one of you may lick my balls.
You notice anyone at either of those tables raising a timid hand and suggesting Capone take ball four and be done with it?
We’re dealing with pure, unmitigated, murderous EVIL.
Usually, the elections come AFTER the genocide and the truth and reconciliation proceedings.
America thinks it can do those things in reverse.
It bears repeating.
It bears repeating.
If they do that, over time – a generation – things will turn around.
It took more than one election to get where we are. It will take more than one election to get someplace else.
Considering that the sustained effort by the far right to get us here took over half a century, it will hardly be surprising if the recovery is less than instantaneous. Even a single generation (25 – 30 years) seems . . . optimistic. Alas.
If they do that, over time – a generation – things will turn around.
It took more than one election to get where we are. It will take more than one election to get someplace else.
Considering that the sustained effort by the far right to get us here took over half a century, it will hardly be surprising if the recovery is less than instantaneous. Even a single generation (25 – 30 years) seems . . . optimistic. Alas.
Nigel: Mueller will very likely continue to do what he’s been doing, and deliver his findings in the indictments he brings. Congress and/or the administration doesn’t get to sit on those.
More indictments, sure. And if some of those indicted follow Manafort and plead Not Guilty, there may be trials where the actual evidence goes on the public record. (Something we miss with a Guilty plea.)
But it seems likely that Mueller will follow current Justice Department policy and not indict the President — almost no matter what he finds and can prove. That goes in a report, which we may or may not get to see. You kinda gotta hope for a leak, unless the Democrats take the House and get subpoena power to drag it forth from Rosenstein’s successor. Over, no doubt, loud claims of Executive Privilege.
Nigel: Mueller will very likely continue to do what he’s been doing, and deliver his findings in the indictments he brings. Congress and/or the administration doesn’t get to sit on those.
More indictments, sure. And if some of those indicted follow Manafort and plead Not Guilty, there may be trials where the actual evidence goes on the public record. (Something we miss with a Guilty plea.)
But it seems likely that Mueller will follow current Justice Department policy and not indict the President — almost no matter what he finds and can prove. That goes in a report, which we may or may not get to see. You kinda gotta hope for a leak, unless the Democrats take the House and get subpoena power to drag it forth from Rosenstein’s successor. Over, no doubt, loud claims of Executive Privilege.
But it takes a hell of a lot longer, and a hell of a lot more work, to change what people think.
Do we have any information on Murdoch’s heirs’ personal enthusiasm for the far right? I wouldn’t expect them to abandon the money-spinner that is Fox News. But it occurs to me that, without Rupert’s kind of dedication to the cause, the more rabid bits might get phased out. Which would help enormously.
But it takes a hell of a lot longer, and a hell of a lot more work, to change what people think.
Do we have any information on Murdoch’s heirs’ personal enthusiasm for the far right? I wouldn’t expect them to abandon the money-spinner that is Fox News. But it occurs to me that, without Rupert’s kind of dedication to the cause, the more rabid bits might get phased out. Which would help enormously.
wj: Considering that the sustained effort by the far right to get us here took over half a century, it will hardly be surprising if the recovery is less than instantaneous. Even a single generation (25 – 30 years) seems . . . optimistic. Alas.
“A single generation” means “the rest of our lives, if we live that long”.
But never mind that. The notion of “recovery” implicitly assumes that public attitudes can slowly change and shift political power away from the “nationalists”. And that implicitly assumes a normal, healthy set of political institutions within which The Pendulum can swing back and forth. But what happens if the Nationalists nail The Pendulum solidly to the far right by stealing SCOTUS seats, gerrymandering districts, suppressing votes, paying off domestic plutocrats, collaborating with foreign autocrats, and empowering the tiki-torchers?
To make a different analogy: are we trudging through a valley, or have we tumbled off a cliff?
–TP
wj: Considering that the sustained effort by the far right to get us here took over half a century, it will hardly be surprising if the recovery is less than instantaneous. Even a single generation (25 – 30 years) seems . . . optimistic. Alas.
“A single generation” means “the rest of our lives, if we live that long”.
But never mind that. The notion of “recovery” implicitly assumes that public attitudes can slowly change and shift political power away from the “nationalists”. And that implicitly assumes a normal, healthy set of political institutions within which The Pendulum can swing back and forth. But what happens if the Nationalists nail The Pendulum solidly to the far right by stealing SCOTUS seats, gerrymandering districts, suppressing votes, paying off domestic plutocrats, collaborating with foreign autocrats, and empowering the tiki-torchers?
To make a different analogy: are we trudging through a valley, or have we tumbled off a cliff?
–TP
With Republicans and Democrats retreating to their ideological corners, there’s room for Libertarians to enter the ring. 🙂
With Republicans and Democrats retreating to their ideological corners, there’s room for Libertarians to enter the ring. 🙂
Some number of self-identifying libertarians are already part of the “conservative” Trump coalition.
Some number of self-identifying libertarians are already part of the “conservative” Trump coalition.
“A single generation” means “the rest of our lives, if we live that long”.
Nope. A generation is defined as the average age of the parents of a child. When women typically started having children at 20, and had their last child at 30, that made “a generation” 25 years. As more women put off starting families until they are in their 30s, the average has move; it’s currently more like 30.
“A single generation” means “the rest of our lives, if we live that long”.
Nope. A generation is defined as the average age of the parents of a child. When women typically started having children at 20, and had their last child at 30, that made “a generation” 25 years. As more women put off starting families until they are in their 30s, the average has move; it’s currently more like 30.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/check-this-out-9
I hope Guiliani samples the Novichok canapes during the break.
I’m not waiting a generation for my front-row seat to his execution by firing squad.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/check-this-out-9
I hope Guiliani samples the Novichok canapes during the break.
I’m not waiting a generation for my front-row seat to his execution by firing squad.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/20/trump-us-nuclear-arms-treaty-russia
https://nypost.com/2018/10/22/russia-warns-of-new-arms-race-if-trump-pulls-out-of-nuclear-deal/
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4756833/presidents-trump-putin-meet-paris-john-bolton
Follow the bouncing ball. Think evilly like the diabolical corrupt fucks do.
The entire thing is a setup arranged by mp and putin to help republican vermin during the November election.
mp threatens. Putin threatens back. mp goes to Paris and saves the day as Putin fakes relenting. Putin looks good too.
Kabuki bullshit to steal another election.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/20/trump-us-nuclear-arms-treaty-russia
https://nypost.com/2018/10/22/russia-warns-of-new-arms-race-if-trump-pulls-out-of-nuclear-deal/
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4756833/presidents-trump-putin-meet-paris-john-bolton
Follow the bouncing ball. Think evilly like the diabolical corrupt fucks do.
The entire thing is a setup arranged by mp and putin to help republican vermin during the November election.
mp threatens. Putin threatens back. mp goes to Paris and saves the day as Putin fakes relenting. Putin looks good too.
Kabuki bullshit to steal another election.
How old are you, wj?
How old are you, wj?
71
That means I can remember Eisenhower, but wasn’t old enough to vote for him. (I also have a vivid memory of TV news clips showing the US Army in Little Rock enforcing the Supreme Court order to desegregate the high school. It made an impression, obviously, even on a 10 year old.)
71
That means I can remember Eisenhower, but wasn’t old enough to vote for him. (I also have a vivid memory of TV news clips showing the US Army in Little Rock enforcing the Supreme Court order to desegregate the high school. It made an impression, obviously, even on a 10 year old.)
wj,
I did not know you’re over 70. That may explain why you missed the point of my “rest of our lives” clause. Hairshirt, being younger than we are, got it I think 🙂
–TP
wj,
I did not know you’re over 70. That may explain why you missed the point of my “rest of our lives” clause. Hairshirt, being younger than we are, got it I think 🙂
–TP
So you don’t think a generation from now is more or less the rest of your life?
So you don’t think a generation from now is more or less the rest of your life?
Back to thinking about the plague of nationalism, I think that this Chris Hedges anti-nationalist meditation at Truth Dig holds up well, even if Hedges himself has fallen a bit too deeply into his role as Prophet of Doom of late:
Human societies see what they want to see. They create national myths of identity out of a composite of historical events and fantasy. They ignore unpleasant facts that intrude on self-glorification. They trust naively in the notion of linear progress and in assured national dominance. This is what nationalism is about — lies. And if a culture loses its ability for thought and expression, if it effectively silences dissident voices, if it retreats into what Sigmund Freud called “screen memories,” those reassuring mixtures of fact and fiction, it dies. It surrenders its internal mechanism for puncturing self-delusion. It makes war on beauty and truth. It abolishes the sacred. It turns education into vocational training. It leaves us blind. And this is what has occurred. We are lost at sea in a great tempest. We do not know where we are. We do not know where we are going. And we do not know what is about to happen to us.
Back to thinking about the plague of nationalism, I think that this Chris Hedges anti-nationalist meditation at Truth Dig holds up well, even if Hedges himself has fallen a bit too deeply into his role as Prophet of Doom of late:
Human societies see what they want to see. They create national myths of identity out of a composite of historical events and fantasy. They ignore unpleasant facts that intrude on self-glorification. They trust naively in the notion of linear progress and in assured national dominance. This is what nationalism is about — lies. And if a culture loses its ability for thought and expression, if it effectively silences dissident voices, if it retreats into what Sigmund Freud called “screen memories,” those reassuring mixtures of fact and fiction, it dies. It surrenders its internal mechanism for puncturing self-delusion. It makes war on beauty and truth. It abolishes the sacred. It turns education into vocational training. It leaves us blind. And this is what has occurred. We are lost at sea in a great tempest. We do not know where we are. We do not know where we are going. And we do not know what is about to happen to us.
I’ll be 71 in a few weeks. I can remember overhearing talk about the Korean War. Possibly because there was some talk that post-WWII veterans like my father might be recalled to duty.
I’ll be 71 in a few weeks. I can remember overhearing talk about the Korean War. Possibly because there was some talk that post-WWII veterans like my father might be recalled to duty.
Any more Martys leave and we’re going to be in demographic trouble around here.
I’m 67 just recently but I get points deducted on account of I’m immature for my age.
Any more Martys leave and we’re going to be in demographic trouble around here.
I’m 67 just recently but I get points deducted on account of I’m immature for my age.
I love this headline:
“Google, Facebook and Twitter staff donate heavily to Democrats | Kelly, Lewandowski got into near brawl”
I love this headline:
“Google, Facebook and Twitter staff donate heavily to Democrats | Kelly, Lewandowski got into near brawl”
I’m 61 and immature for any age. But I’m pompous enough to make up for it.
Ten years ago, I noted that Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate I ever voted for who was younger than me. That was my first inkling that I’m over the hill.
–TP
I’m 61 and immature for any age. But I’m pompous enough to make up for it.
Ten years ago, I noted that Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate I ever voted for who was younger than me. That was my first inkling that I’m over the hill.
–TP
So you don’t think a generation from now is more or less the rest of your life?
Not really.
But then my plan (for some time now) is to take a checkpoint at 150, and see how I think things are going. (That’s going for me personally, physically, etc.) Which is still a couple of generations out.
So you don’t think a generation from now is more or less the rest of your life?
Not really.
But then my plan (for some time now) is to take a checkpoint at 150, and see how I think things are going. (That’s going for me personally, physically, etc.) Which is still a couple of generations out.
I like the way you think, wj.
I like the way you think, wj.
Sorry, this is a bit late, but didn’t finish it before I fell asleep.
Hey Nigel, sorry I missed Loofbourow when you posted it, I saw it on LGM as well. I agree that it does speak to a number of things that we talk about here, but it seems to be very difficult to talk about anger. Loofbourow is right to identify how women and minorities are basically prohibited from expressing anger and it is not hard to see how it will loom larger and larger in the coming months. She’s also right to talk about how anger is deployed and how it will probably end up hurting women and minorities more than it will hurt the privileged. But I think she’s wrong in saying that we really only celebrate anger when the angry person gets away with it.. We actually don’t. We celebrate it when the person we perceive as the bully gets their comeuppance. The problem is that many things, like political correctness, Women’s and LGBT rights, Black Lives Matter, people protesting the separation of parents and children, are cast as the ‘bullying’ and The Plain Folk of the US of A are simply restoring the natural order of things. I’m not sure how to get out of that, except to point out that these things aren’t bullying, but when you try, you get told that no, the reporter was shoving a mike in Gianforte’s face, or Kavanaugh had every right to get angry when falsely accused.
So I’m left with the impression that cleek points to, that this isn’t what people really are. But if you live in a community with little contact the targets of Trump and the Republican party’s attacks, it’s easy to lose sight of it and to claim ‘they’ are the ones that are bullying and ‘we’ are the ones that are being bullied. At that point, it becomes easy to cling to reasons, not matter how tenuous, for the treatment and things only change when the ‘others’ express their anger, as Loofboirow suggests will happen, which then allows the tut tutting.
Sorry, this is a bit late, but didn’t finish it before I fell asleep.
Hey Nigel, sorry I missed Loofbourow when you posted it, I saw it on LGM as well. I agree that it does speak to a number of things that we talk about here, but it seems to be very difficult to talk about anger. Loofbourow is right to identify how women and minorities are basically prohibited from expressing anger and it is not hard to see how it will loom larger and larger in the coming months. She’s also right to talk about how anger is deployed and how it will probably end up hurting women and minorities more than it will hurt the privileged. But I think she’s wrong in saying that we really only celebrate anger when the angry person gets away with it.. We actually don’t. We celebrate it when the person we perceive as the bully gets their comeuppance. The problem is that many things, like political correctness, Women’s and LGBT rights, Black Lives Matter, people protesting the separation of parents and children, are cast as the ‘bullying’ and The Plain Folk of the US of A are simply restoring the natural order of things. I’m not sure how to get out of that, except to point out that these things aren’t bullying, but when you try, you get told that no, the reporter was shoving a mike in Gianforte’s face, or Kavanaugh had every right to get angry when falsely accused.
So I’m left with the impression that cleek points to, that this isn’t what people really are. But if you live in a community with little contact the targets of Trump and the Republican party’s attacks, it’s easy to lose sight of it and to claim ‘they’ are the ones that are bullying and ‘we’ are the ones that are being bullied. At that point, it becomes easy to cling to reasons, not matter how tenuous, for the treatment and things only change when the ‘others’ express their anger, as Loofboirow suggests will happen, which then allows the tut tutting.
64. As long as you keep learning new things, it doesn’t matter.
I’ve done forecasting and predictions most of my adult life, some longish term. I’ve always liked Amarillo Slim’s “Bet or shut up” attitude on backing them. One of these days I have to look into how to set up some sort of future “drop” in case I have to pay off — one of them we won’t know if I lose until 2039.
64. As long as you keep learning new things, it doesn’t matter.
I’ve done forecasting and predictions most of my adult life, some longish term. I’ve always liked Amarillo Slim’s “Bet or shut up” attitude on backing them. One of these days I have to look into how to set up some sort of future “drop” in case I have to pay off — one of them we won’t know if I lose until 2039.
if you live in a community with little contact the targets of Trump and the Republican party’s attacks, it’s easy to lose sight of it and to claim ‘they’ are the ones that are bullying and ‘we’ are the ones that are being bullied.
Which is why the strongholds of xenophobia in the US are precisely the areas which have the smallest numbers of immigrants. It’s not fear of immigrants we are seeing so much as fear of the unknown.
if you live in a community with little contact the targets of Trump and the Republican party’s attacks, it’s easy to lose sight of it and to claim ‘they’ are the ones that are bullying and ‘we’ are the ones that are being bullied.
Which is why the strongholds of xenophobia in the US are precisely the areas which have the smallest numbers of immigrants. It’s not fear of immigrants we are seeing so much as fear of the unknown.
Which is why the strongholds of xenophobia in the US are precisely the areas which have the smallest numbers of immigrants.
As it happens, I spent several years of my childhood in Steve King country in Iowa (in the same town where he was born). When I was a kid there, I was in the minority — a short brown-eyed brown-haired Anglo-Saxon kid among all the damned blond blue-eyed vikings*. I wasn’t just the shortest boy in my grade school and junior high classes — I was shorter than most of the girls, too.
Last I checked, the town’s population was 25% Hispanic. Over Steve King’s lifetime, there has been a huge shift in ethnic makeup.
* I was in a play with one of the Lund sisters, and at her request, walked her home after a late rehearsal. Her pure-Danish grandmother was there visiting and insisted that I come in and talk with her. The Lund sister told me the next day that her grandother’s opinion after I left was, “Well, he seems nice enough, but he’s so dark.” The Lund sister thought it was hilarious and wanted to go to a movie on Friday just so I could piss her grandmother off again.
Which is why the strongholds of xenophobia in the US are precisely the areas which have the smallest numbers of immigrants.
As it happens, I spent several years of my childhood in Steve King country in Iowa (in the same town where he was born). When I was a kid there, I was in the minority — a short brown-eyed brown-haired Anglo-Saxon kid among all the damned blond blue-eyed vikings*. I wasn’t just the shortest boy in my grade school and junior high classes — I was shorter than most of the girls, too.
Last I checked, the town’s population was 25% Hispanic. Over Steve King’s lifetime, there has been a huge shift in ethnic makeup.
* I was in a play with one of the Lund sisters, and at her request, walked her home after a late rehearsal. Her pure-Danish grandmother was there visiting and insisted that I come in and talk with her. The Lund sister told me the next day that her grandother’s opinion after I left was, “Well, he seems nice enough, but he’s so dark.” The Lund sister thought it was hilarious and wanted to go to a movie on Friday just so I could piss her grandmother off again.
Last I checked, the town’s population was 25% Hispanic.
Has to be someone to milk the cows.
Last I checked, the town’s population was 25% Hispanic.
Has to be someone to milk the cows.
I don’t expect Mueller to indict Trump – he’s way too by the book – but that doesn’t mean he won’t drop a dime on him anyway.
Emptywheel suggested how:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/10/19/psa-dont-misunderstand-the-role-of-a-mueller-report/
I don’t expect Mueller to indict Trump – he’s way too by the book – but that doesn’t mean he won’t drop a dime on him anyway.
Emptywheel suggested how:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/10/19/psa-dont-misunderstand-the-role-of-a-mueller-report/
Has to be someone to milk the cows.
And work the packing plant floor, where they paid a living wage when I was a kid (the decline largely due to the local owner selling out to a national corporation). And the vegetable canning/freezing plant, which was a second seasonal income for the families whose main income was from the packing plant.
Not taking any position here except that in the case of Steve King, whom I have zero sympathy for, the claim that “areas which have the smallest numbers of immigrants” doesn’t seem to apply. NW Iowa has had, in percentage terms, a quite large influx of immigrants.
Has to be someone to milk the cows.
And work the packing plant floor, where they paid a living wage when I was a kid (the decline largely due to the local owner selling out to a national corporation). And the vegetable canning/freezing plant, which was a second seasonal income for the families whose main income was from the packing plant.
Not taking any position here except that in the case of Steve King, whom I have zero sympathy for, the claim that “areas which have the smallest numbers of immigrants” doesn’t seem to apply. NW Iowa has had, in percentage terms, a quite large influx of immigrants.
christ. i’m the baby at 48?
christ. i’m the baby at 48?
ObWi – the cranky geezer blog.
ObWi – the cranky geezer blog.
Will be 70 on 11-14 along with Prince Charles. And yes….really cranky geezer! I play golf to RELAX.
Will be 70 on 11-14 along with Prince Charles. And yes….really cranky geezer! I play golf to RELAX.
And I’ll be 71 on 11-14 🙂
And I’ll be 71 on 11-14 🙂
ObWi – the cranky geezer blog.
Although, as my son said to me in response to something I said at dinner around the time when I was 50, “Aren’t you supposed to get more conservative when you get old?”
ObWi – the cranky geezer blog.
Although, as my son said to me in response to something I said at dinner around the time when I was 50, “Aren’t you supposed to get more conservative when you get old?”
Aren’t you supposed to get more conservative when you get old?”
You get more conservative if you stop learning new things. While the world, irritatingly, persists in changing around you.
If you keep learning new stuff, you stay flexible. It may not necessarily make you more liberal, but it keeps you able to cope with change.
Aren’t you supposed to get more conservative when you get old?”
You get more conservative if you stop learning new things. While the world, irritatingly, persists in changing around you.
If you keep learning new stuff, you stay flexible. It may not necessarily make you more liberal, but it keeps you able to cope with change.
Aren’t you supposed to get more conservative when you get old?”
Ummm…not so much. If you gain wisdom (there are many kinds) with age, you tend to be more radical (as in root) because you realize you are getting close to it.
🙂
But big “if”.
Que serra.
Aren’t you supposed to get more conservative when you get old?”
Ummm…not so much. If you gain wisdom (there are many kinds) with age, you tend to be more radical (as in root) because you realize you are getting close to it.
🙂
But big “if”.
Que serra.
I dunno, I’m more conservative, but that is real conservatism, not this reactionary conservatism that masquerades as conservative in the US. You realize how hard it is to get to a place, to reach a point in your life where you know enough to get things done etc. etc.
Of course, I teach at a university and surrounded by fresh crops of young people, often trying to tell them that Rome wasn’t built in a day, so I think I come by it naturally…
I’m 57 btw
I dunno, I’m more conservative, but that is real conservatism, not this reactionary conservatism that masquerades as conservative in the US. You realize how hard it is to get to a place, to reach a point in your life where you know enough to get things done etc. etc.
Of course, I teach at a university and surrounded by fresh crops of young people, often trying to tell them that Rome wasn’t built in a day, so I think I come by it naturally…
I’m 57 btw
christ. i’m the baby at 48?
I am just 45 (and not even looking fully grown-up despite the first old age ailments rearing their ugly heads).
christ. i’m the baby at 48?
I am just 45 (and not even looking fully grown-up despite the first old age ailments rearing their ugly heads).
You realize how hard it is to get to a place, …
To me, what you describe is less about being conservative, and more about being realistic.
You realize how hard it is to get to a place, …
To me, what you describe is less about being conservative, and more about being realistic.
Well, conservatives like to boast how much more ‘realistic’ they are then liberals.
But there is also what wj points out, which is
…the world, irritatingly, persists in changing around you.
The conservative urge (the real one, not the bs one of pissing on whatever liberals want) is a desire to slow down or at least manage that change, seems to me. But if I say stuff like that, I’m going to start sounding like wj…;^)
Well, conservatives like to boast how much more ‘realistic’ they are then liberals.
But there is also what wj points out, which is
…the world, irritatingly, persists in changing around you.
The conservative urge (the real one, not the bs one of pissing on whatever liberals want) is a desire to slow down or at least manage that change, seems to me. But if I say stuff like that, I’m going to start sounding like wj…;^)
I’m generally in sympathy with the Chesterton’s fence theory of conservatism. But the Republican Party is not – it believes in doing whatever it takes to make the rich richer.
I’m generally in sympathy with the Chesterton’s fence theory of conservatism. But the Republican Party is not – it believes in doing whatever it takes to make the rich richer.
“But if I say stuff like that, I’m going to start sounding like wj…;^)”
And that is why we all like wj so very much, regardless of what party label is self-applied.
As for age, my philosophy is “you can be childish at ANY age!”
“But if I say stuff like that, I’m going to start sounding like wj…;^)”
And that is why we all like wj so very much, regardless of what party label is self-applied.
As for age, my philosophy is “you can be childish at ANY age!”
But if I say stuff like that, I’m going to start sounding like wj…;^)
No worries, lj! I don’t claim exclusive rights to reality. 😊
But if I say stuff like that, I’m going to start sounding like wj…;^)
No worries, lj! I don’t claim exclusive rights to reality. 😊
Since I started the age-reveal thing, I’ll offer that I turned 50 last month. I’ve gotten more liberal as I’ve gotten older. I’m more or less a reformed libertarian (with a purposeful small “l”).
Since I started the age-reveal thing, I’ll offer that I turned 50 last month. I’ve gotten more liberal as I’ve gotten older. I’m more or less a reformed libertarian (with a purposeful small “l”).
Mid 50s.
A long time since, I was a (centrist) Conservative.
Mid 50s.
A long time since, I was a (centrist) Conservative.
I’m 63, and (as they say in the analyses of opinion polls) broken down by age and sex (joke). It’s been a really awful last 12 months for me, and even longer if you count Trump and Brexit. Hoping and wishing very hard for the midterms, y’all.
I’m 63, and (as they say in the analyses of opinion polls) broken down by age and sex (joke). It’s been a really awful last 12 months for me, and even longer if you count Trump and Brexit. Hoping and wishing very hard for the midterms, y’all.
I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980.
I was 105 years old at the time.
Becoming a straight-ticket radical liberal and still evolving since then has taken 38 years off my age.
My skin is creamier. I’m more virile in the sex department. My eyesight has improved. I can run faster. My hair is thicker.
I’ve lost that hitch in my get-along that conservative fuckers develop from standing athwart constantly.
I’ve become the fastest gun west of the Mississippi.
When the political worm does its slow turn over the next generation I hope to be in my 30’s again.
GFTNC: I hope whatever is troubling you aside from mp and Brexit improves.
I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980.
I was 105 years old at the time.
Becoming a straight-ticket radical liberal and still evolving since then has taken 38 years off my age.
My skin is creamier. I’m more virile in the sex department. My eyesight has improved. I can run faster. My hair is thicker.
I’ve lost that hitch in my get-along that conservative fuckers develop from standing athwart constantly.
I’ve become the fastest gun west of the Mississippi.
When the political worm does its slow turn over the next generation I hope to be in my 30’s again.
GFTNC: I hope whatever is troubling you aside from mp and Brexit improves.
Thanks, Count.
Thanks, Count.
As the Count said, GFTNC, may it get better.
As the Count said, GFTNC, may it get better.
And thank you, Nigel. So rather than a long drawn-out, Goreyesque series of unspoken horrors, I will merely say that my husband died last November, the awful ramifications of which continue, and my mother died two days ago. So that’s quite enough of that for the moment. ObWi has very often been a solace, FWIW. So there’s that.
And thank you, Nigel. So rather than a long drawn-out, Goreyesque series of unspoken horrors, I will merely say that my husband died last November, the awful ramifications of which continue, and my mother died two days ago. So that’s quite enough of that for the moment. ObWi has very often been a solace, FWIW. So there’s that.
I’m so sorry, GftNC. All my needling and rage fits were, no doubt, unhelpful. I’m sending you my deepest and most sincere condolences.
I’m so sorry, GftNC. All my needling and rage fits were, no doubt, unhelpful. I’m sending you my deepest and most sincere condolences.
GFTNC – so very sorry to hear that.
GFTNC – so very sorry to hear that.
Having lost a much loved mother in law recently, I do not like to imagine my wife having gone through that on her own.
I wish you well again.
Having lost a much loved mother in law recently, I do not like to imagine my wife having gone through that on her own.
I wish you well again.
So there’s that
Bugger. 🙁
So sorry gftnc. Glad if hanging out here has provided any bit of cheer.
They leave a big hole when they go.
So there’s that
Bugger. 🙁
So sorry gftnc. Glad if hanging out here has provided any bit of cheer.
They leave a big hole when they go.
I’m very sorry GFTNC – I hope it gets better soon.
I’m very sorry GFTNC – I hope it gets better soon.
Thank you all very much.
Thank you all very much.
Came across this the other day.
It likely reads better in the original, but even in translation it’s good.
Island
(Chong Hyon-jong)
Between people an island exists.
I want to cross over to that island.
Came across this the other day.
It likely reads better in the original, but even in translation it’s good.
Island
(Chong Hyon-jong)
Between people an island exists.
I want to cross over to that island.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-attacks-media-after-pipe-bombs
He is a murdering psychopath. Thank you, you fuckers.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-iphone-chinese-russian-spies_us_5bd0ef93e4b0a8f17ef3d0ad
I forgot to let you guys know that when mp send out his presidential alert on everyone’s cell phones last month, I called the number back and someone at the Kremlin answered.
The voice on the other end spoke with a republican accent.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/nikki-haley-almost-started-a-nuclear-war/
Next message from the “President”:
“This is the President. Run for your lives. God, I love me some emergencies.”
There will be blood.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-attacks-media-after-pipe-bombs
He is a murdering psychopath. Thank you, you fuckers.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-iphone-chinese-russian-spies_us_5bd0ef93e4b0a8f17ef3d0ad
I forgot to let you guys know that when mp send out his presidential alert on everyone’s cell phones last month, I called the number back and someone at the Kremlin answered.
The voice on the other end spoke with a republican accent.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/nikki-haley-almost-started-a-nuclear-war/
Next message from the “President”:
“This is the President. Run for your lives. God, I love me some emergencies.”
There will be blood.
Mr. Limbaugh:
“Mrs. Clinton, it’s your party, forgive me, that is encouraging this kind of thing. It is the Democrat Party that’s home to all of these mobs. It’s the Democrat Party — Mrs. Clinton herself who said that being uncivil at this point in time is entirely proper and understandable. It’s — the time to go back to civility will be after the Democrats win. You’ve got bought and paid for operatives by Mrs. Clinton money showing up at Trump rallies trying to make them look like deranged Trump supporters. The Democrats are even paying people to draw swastikas on American flags and waving them around, made to look like deranged, lunatic Trump supporters. And so, in the midst of this atmosphere, we have this series of bombs that were supposedly sent today, exclusively to Democrats. And it just — there’s a smell test that this stuff has to pass, and, so far, a lot of people’s noses are in the air, not quite certain of what to make of this. This is just — it’s not Republicans that show up, for example, at the offices of the Family — what is it, some pro-life group’s offices, some guy shows up with a gun and was going to shoot people, got caught before he was able to shoot anyone, Family Research Center (sic) I think, yeah. Republicans just don’t do this kind of thing. Even though every event, like mass shootings, remember, every mass shooting there is, the Democrats in the media try to make everybody think right off the bat that some tea partier did it, or some talk radio fan did it, or some Fox News viewer did it. Turns out, it’s never, ever the case. Not one of these bombs went off. And if a Democrat operative’s purpose here is to make it look like, hey, you know, there are mobs everywhere, the mobs are not just Democrat mobs. I mean, look at this, you’ve got people here trying to harm CNN, and Obama, and Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Debbie blabbermouth Schultz. It just — it might serve a purpose here.”
Mr. Limbaugh:
“Mrs. Clinton, it’s your party, forgive me, that is encouraging this kind of thing. It is the Democrat Party that’s home to all of these mobs. It’s the Democrat Party — Mrs. Clinton herself who said that being uncivil at this point in time is entirely proper and understandable. It’s — the time to go back to civility will be after the Democrats win. You’ve got bought and paid for operatives by Mrs. Clinton money showing up at Trump rallies trying to make them look like deranged Trump supporters. The Democrats are even paying people to draw swastikas on American flags and waving them around, made to look like deranged, lunatic Trump supporters. And so, in the midst of this atmosphere, we have this series of bombs that were supposedly sent today, exclusively to Democrats. And it just — there’s a smell test that this stuff has to pass, and, so far, a lot of people’s noses are in the air, not quite certain of what to make of this. This is just — it’s not Republicans that show up, for example, at the offices of the Family — what is it, some pro-life group’s offices, some guy shows up with a gun and was going to shoot people, got caught before he was able to shoot anyone, Family Research Center (sic) I think, yeah. Republicans just don’t do this kind of thing. Even though every event, like mass shootings, remember, every mass shooting there is, the Democrats in the media try to make everybody think right off the bat that some tea partier did it, or some talk radio fan did it, or some Fox News viewer did it. Turns out, it’s never, ever the case. Not one of these bombs went off. And if a Democrat operative’s purpose here is to make it look like, hey, you know, there are mobs everywhere, the mobs are not just Democrat mobs. I mean, look at this, you’ve got people here trying to harm CNN, and Obama, and Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Debbie blabbermouth Schultz. It just — it might serve a purpose here.”
“Not one of these bombs went off.”
That sentence is in every repetitive meme sent out by the usual murdering republican suspects these past two days.
Trick or Treat?
It’s your choice, liberals.
“Not one of these bombs went off.”
That sentence is in every repetitive meme sent out by the usual murdering republican suspects these past two days.
Trick or Treat?
It’s your choice, liberals.
“Not one of these bombs went off.”
Clearly a bug, not a feature.
“Not one of these bombs went off.”
Clearly a bug, not a feature.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/trump-phone-security.html
Remember early on when Kushner was trying to set up a “back-channel” to the Kremlin? Well I suppose it’s less adequate when it’s one way, but it appears a solution has been found. At least it avoids the hassle of trips to the Russian embassy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/trump-phone-security.html
Remember early on when Kushner was trying to set up a “back-channel” to the Kremlin? Well I suppose it’s less adequate when it’s one way, but it appears a solution has been found. At least it avoids the hassle of trips to the Russian embassy.
wj, it turns out the listeners learn nothing because the listened-in-on doesn’t know shit from Sherlock:
“White House officials say they can only hope he refrains from discussing classified information when he is on them….They said they had further confidence he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities.”
You can feel the confidence rising, can’t you?
wj, it turns out the listeners learn nothing because the listened-in-on doesn’t know shit from Sherlock:
“White House officials say they can only hope he refrains from discussing classified information when he is on them….They said they had further confidence he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities.”
You can feel the confidence rising, can’t you?
The NRA may be right about showing up with military-grade weaponry at the voting booth:
https://juanitajean.com/heads-up-texans-5/
The NRA may be right about showing up with military-grade weaponry at the voting booth:
https://juanitajean.com/heads-up-texans-5/
They said they had further confidence he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities.”
It really is a heck of a commentary that his own staff would say something like that. And expect it to be believed!
They said they had further confidence he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities.”
It really is a heck of a commentary that his own staff would say something like that. And expect it to be believed!
My condolences to GFTNC, I don’t have anything good to say about losing family, I’m unfortunately more familiar with that than I would wish. I’m 54, to provide another demographic data point about the lurkertariat here.
My condolences to GFTNC, I don’t have anything good to say about losing family, I’m unfortunately more familiar with that than I would wish. I’m 54, to provide another demographic data point about the lurkertariat here.
They said they had further confidence he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities.
So, Trump’s staff is spilling the beans about Trump’s long-running disinformation campaign?
Why am I picturing people in a Chinese listening post, ROTFLing?
They said they had further confidence he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities.
So, Trump’s staff is spilling the beans about Trump’s long-running disinformation campaign?
Why am I picturing people in a Chinese listening post, ROTFLing?
I wish I had something new and more comforting to write, GftNC. I wish you strength.
I wish I had something new and more comforting to write, GftNC. I wish you strength.