25 Days and Counting

by wj

Article II, Section 3 of the US Constitution requires the President to annually “give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union”. President Washington did so with an address to Congress. But President Jefferson changed the practice to a written report. And so it remained until President Wilson re-established the practice of an address in 1913.

The way this works is, a formal invitation is made by the Speaker of the House to the President several weeks before each State of the Union Address. But not this year! Speaker Pelosi has written to the President to say that there are security concerns, what with the government being shut down. (After all, the Secret Service are one of the groups currently working without pay.) So either they can reschedule “after the government is reopened” or he can submit a written report. Zing! An un-invitation!

Conventional wisdom has seemed to be that Trump would continue the shutdown until the economic pain became too great. That is, great enough to penetrate the information bubble in which he lives. But it appears that Pelosi has found another handle: take away from Trump his opportunity of be the star of an hour long speech to the entire nation (covered on live TV) where he can boast of his accomplishments and generally prance about. And that, far more than mere economic pain, is hitting him where he lives.

[I wanted to do something to include the Brexit mess. Talk about the political polarization on both sides of the pond. But I couldn’t come up with much that would cover both. See, however, an article in today’s Washington Post entitled From Brexit to NATO and the shutdown, Putin is winning so much he might get tired of winning.]

392 thoughts on “25 Days and Counting”

  1. “On Wednesday, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) asked President Trump to delay his State of the Union address due to security concerns stemming from the government shutdown. Alternatively, Trump could simply submit a written statement in lieu of an in-person speech, noted Pelosi.
    If Trump opted for the latter, this would be by far the best thing to come out of the shutdown. The elaborate spectacle of the modern State of the Union speech—a yearly production—is wholly unnecessary. The country would be well rid of it.”

    Pelosi Moves to Cancel Trump’s State of the Union Speech. Good Riddance.: The shutdown may force the government to cancel the State of the Union.

  2. “On Wednesday, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) asked President Trump to delay his State of the Union address due to security concerns stemming from the government shutdown. Alternatively, Trump could simply submit a written statement in lieu of an in-person speech, noted Pelosi.
    If Trump opted for the latter, this would be by far the best thing to come out of the shutdown. The elaborate spectacle of the modern State of the Union speech—a yearly production—is wholly unnecessary. The country would be well rid of it.”

    Pelosi Moves to Cancel Trump’s State of the Union Speech. Good Riddance.: The shutdown may force the government to cancel the State of the Union.

  3. Yup, “asked”. Like when your mother “asks” you to straighten up your room.
    Since she’s the one who makes the invitation, or not, it’s not like there’s a lot of optional there.

  4. Yup, “asked”. Like when your mother “asks” you to straighten up your room.
    Since she’s the one who makes the invitation, or not, it’s not like there’s a lot of optional there.

  5. If Trump wants to give a SOTU with the level of public interest that (he thinks that) he deserves, he should give the SOTU while standing on the pointy top of the Washington Monument.
    EVERYONE will be watching with bated breath. Ratings GOLD.

  6. If Trump wants to give a SOTU with the level of public interest that (he thinks that) he deserves, he should give the SOTU while standing on the pointy top of the Washington Monument.
    EVERYONE will be watching with bated breath. Ratings GOLD.

  7. Since she’s the one who makes the invitation, or not, it’s not like there’s a lot of optional there.
    I see that McCarthy has said that he disagrees with the decision, but didn’t say a word about it not being within Pelosi’s authority as Speaker.

  8. Since she’s the one who makes the invitation, or not, it’s not like there’s a lot of optional there.
    I see that McCarthy has said that he disagrees with the decision, but didn’t say a word about it not being within Pelosi’s authority as Speaker.

  9. I think pffffffffffffffft…. just about covers it.
    Sure. But is it pfffffffft, we’re going to end up with the disaster of a no-deal Brexit? Or the pfffffft of we’re going to do a general election, followed by starting over on negotiating Brexit? Or pfffffft, we’re going to do a new referendum, followed by decades of polarized hostility based on the outcome (especially, as it appears from a distance, the new outcome is not Brexit at all)?

  10. I think pffffffffffffffft…. just about covers it.
    Sure. But is it pfffffffft, we’re going to end up with the disaster of a no-deal Brexit? Or the pfffffft of we’re going to do a general election, followed by starting over on negotiating Brexit? Or pfffffft, we’re going to do a new referendum, followed by decades of polarized hostility based on the outcome (especially, as it appears from a distance, the new outcome is not Brexit at all)?

  11. https://goo.gl/images/4e4PJm
    I’m actually getting rather worried now – the EU should put the UK in special measures until they see the error of their ways.
    NB in 2015 nobody in the UK was talking about the EU except for some pub bores and perennial malcontents – now Brexit is like religion in the 30 years war.

  12. https://goo.gl/images/4e4PJm
    I’m actually getting rather worried now – the EU should put the UK in special measures until they see the error of their ways.
    NB in 2015 nobody in the UK was talking about the EU except for some pub bores and perennial malcontents – now Brexit is like religion in the 30 years war.

  13. “now Brexit is like religion in the 30 years war”
    Surely it would be Cavaliers vs. Roundheads?
    But perhaps the UK is going to try a New Model Brexit.

  14. “now Brexit is like religion in the 30 years war”
    Surely it would be Cavaliers vs. Roundheads?
    But perhaps the UK is going to try a New Model Brexit.

  15. The following Senators voted in favor of lifting sanctions on Putin’s buddy Deripaska because He, Trump’s lackey Mnuchin told them the Boss has debts to pay. They may be traitors. Or maybe they simply fear the pub bores and perennial malcontents in MAGA hats who would gladly have voted for Putin over Hillary in 2016. If Democrats think they can defeat Putinism by “looking forward, not back” after 2020 they are kidding themselves.
    –TP
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blackburn (R-TN)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Braun (R-IN)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Capito (R-WV)
    Cassidy (R-LA)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Cramer (R-ND)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Cruz (R-TX)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Ernst (R-IA)
    Fischer (R-NE)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Lankford (R-OK)
    Lee (R-UT)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Perdue (R-GA)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Romney (R-UT)
    Rounds (R-SD)
    Scott (R-FL)
    Scott (R-SC)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Sullivan (R-AK)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Tillis (R-NC)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Wicker (R-MS)
    Young (R-IN)

  16. The following Senators voted in favor of lifting sanctions on Putin’s buddy Deripaska because He, Trump’s lackey Mnuchin told them the Boss has debts to pay. They may be traitors. Or maybe they simply fear the pub bores and perennial malcontents in MAGA hats who would gladly have voted for Putin over Hillary in 2016. If Democrats think they can defeat Putinism by “looking forward, not back” after 2020 they are kidding themselves.
    –TP
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blackburn (R-TN)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Braun (R-IN)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Capito (R-WV)
    Cassidy (R-LA)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Cramer (R-ND)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Cruz (R-TX)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Ernst (R-IA)
    Fischer (R-NE)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Lankford (R-OK)
    Lee (R-UT)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Perdue (R-GA)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Romney (R-UT)
    Rounds (R-SD)
    Scott (R-FL)
    Scott (R-SC)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Sullivan (R-AK)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Tillis (R-NC)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Wicker (R-MS)
    Young (R-IN)

  17. The following Senators…
    I notice that both Collins (R-ME) and Gardner (R-CO) are missing from the list. I can’t speak to Collins in any detail, but Gardner is no longer head of the NRSC, has minimal committee assignments, and is trying desperately to convince the Denver suburbs that he’s as good as a Democrat. With the new majority in the Senate, McConnell apparently doesn’t care how Gardner votes, so long as he votes to keep McConnell as majority leader.

  18. The following Senators…
    I notice that both Collins (R-ME) and Gardner (R-CO) are missing from the list. I can’t speak to Collins in any detail, but Gardner is no longer head of the NRSC, has minimal committee assignments, and is trying desperately to convince the Denver suburbs that he’s as good as a Democrat. With the new majority in the Senate, McConnell apparently doesn’t care how Gardner votes, so long as he votes to keep McConnell as majority leader.

  19. I notice that Lamar Alexander, Plaid Shirt Candidate for President for a brief shining moment, voted with Putin.
    I notice that Richard Burr, Serious Republican Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and allegedly Grown-up Person, voted with Putin.
    I notice that Mitt Romney, formerly of “Trump is a charlatan” fame, and Central Casting’s Idea of a Presidential Candidate, voted with Putin.
    I notice that Lindsey Graham, Spittle-Flecked Strutting Bantam who stood up to Christine Blasey-Ford, voted with Putin.
    Can we please stop pretending that Republicans are a pro-American party?
    –TP

  20. I notice that Lamar Alexander, Plaid Shirt Candidate for President for a brief shining moment, voted with Putin.
    I notice that Richard Burr, Serious Republican Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and allegedly Grown-up Person, voted with Putin.
    I notice that Mitt Romney, formerly of “Trump is a charlatan” fame, and Central Casting’s Idea of a Presidential Candidate, voted with Putin.
    I notice that Lindsey Graham, Spittle-Flecked Strutting Bantam who stood up to Christine Blasey-Ford, voted with Putin.
    Can we please stop pretending that Republicans are a pro-American party?
    –TP

  21. Can we please stop pretending that Republicans are a pro-American party?
    Can we quit pretending that they’re anything but Russian agents? Everything they do destroys America.

  22. Can we please stop pretending that Republicans are a pro-American party?
    Can we quit pretending that they’re anything but Russian agents? Everything they do destroys America.

  23. Can we stop pretending that they are patriotic? YES! I am going to the local women’s march this Sat and I will be carrying an American flag and giving flags away. I am also bring a Russian flag to give to any antis that show up. I hope to get on the news–I did last time. Me and my flag, American flag.

  24. Can we stop pretending that they are patriotic? YES! I am going to the local women’s march this Sat and I will be carrying an American flag and giving flags away. I am also bring a Russian flag to give to any antis that show up. I hope to get on the news–I did last time. Me and my flag, American flag.

  25. I hope to get on the news–I did last time. Me and my flag, American flag.
    Good for you! Perhaps I will follow your lead.

  26. I hope to get on the news–I did last time. Me and my flag, American flag.
    Good for you! Perhaps I will follow your lead.

  27. It’s convenient that the modern Russian flag is also red/white/blue (but so is the dreaded French also), so these guys don’t have to lie when they say that they stand firmly with the rw&b.

  28. It’s convenient that the modern Russian flag is also red/white/blue (but so is the dreaded French also), so these guys don’t have to lie when they say that they stand firmly with the rw&b.

  29. A second referendum is marginally more likely now that the LibDems have decided that they will not back any more No Confidence votes, in order to try to force Corbyn’s hand on the issue (most Labour voters want one, according to polls; Corbyn doesn’t).
    Other than that, still pfffffffft (which is indicative of an expansive but despairing shrug…).

  30. A second referendum is marginally more likely now that the LibDems have decided that they will not back any more No Confidence votes, in order to try to force Corbyn’s hand on the issue (most Labour voters want one, according to polls; Corbyn doesn’t).
    Other than that, still pfffffffft (which is indicative of an expansive but despairing shrug…).

  31. Fake polls indeed. But what is notable is that Cohan was reimbursed (more than he actually paid, of course) for them.

  32. Fake polls indeed. But what is notable is that Cohan was reimbursed (more than he actually paid, of course) for them.

  33. The more I think about it, the more ironic(?) it seems that, at every turn, the people who were once associated with Trump but later turned against him are discredited by Trump and his defenders as being untrustworthy and dishonest. Why did he associate with so many untrustworthy and dishonest people, I wonder?
    I suppose this is to be expected. AFAICT, this is how it works with many criminal organizations. The witnesses that get turned are themselves criminals who were involved in the enterprise. Aside from undercover operatives who infiltrate the organization, who else is going to know the inner workings other than crooks?

  34. The more I think about it, the more ironic(?) it seems that, at every turn, the people who were once associated with Trump but later turned against him are discredited by Trump and his defenders as being untrustworthy and dishonest. Why did he associate with so many untrustworthy and dishonest people, I wonder?
    I suppose this is to be expected. AFAICT, this is how it works with many criminal organizations. The witnesses that get turned are themselves criminals who were involved in the enterprise. Aside from undercover operatives who infiltrate the organization, who else is going to know the inner workings other than crooks?

  35. Why did he associate with so many untrustworthy and dishonest people, I wonder?
    Perhaps he has a different definition/criteria for what constitutes “the best people” than you or I have…? Because it does seem remarkably consistent.

  36. Why did he associate with so many untrustworthy and dishonest people, I wonder?
    Perhaps he has a different definition/criteria for what constitutes “the best people” than you or I have…? Because it does seem remarkably consistent.

  37. A second referendum is marginally more likely now…
    Would it be a binding referendum this time? Would it include options that probably can’t be delivered?
    I’m still betting that the government and Parliament are going to fritter away the time, and the UK will crash out without a deal on March 29. I am waiting to see what May offers as “plan B” next Monday. I expect more stalling.
    It strikes me that Parliament has never taken Brexit entirely seriously. Their working assumption all along seems to me to have been that the only thing that would change would be control of who could enter the country on what terms, and sending money off to the EU government. Once the Article 50 notice was given, I kept expecting to read that Parliament was preparing to set up (and fund) all the things that would have to be done: standards setting, goods inspection, passport control, agreements for things like energy and air traffic, etc.
    Also to admit that Northern Ireland was f*cked. They could be part of the UK with a border in one place; or they could be part of the ROI with a border in a different place. Independence (with an eye on the Scots) would be right out, of course.

  38. A second referendum is marginally more likely now…
    Would it be a binding referendum this time? Would it include options that probably can’t be delivered?
    I’m still betting that the government and Parliament are going to fritter away the time, and the UK will crash out without a deal on March 29. I am waiting to see what May offers as “plan B” next Monday. I expect more stalling.
    It strikes me that Parliament has never taken Brexit entirely seriously. Their working assumption all along seems to me to have been that the only thing that would change would be control of who could enter the country on what terms, and sending money off to the EU government. Once the Article 50 notice was given, I kept expecting to read that Parliament was preparing to set up (and fund) all the things that would have to be done: standards setting, goods inspection, passport control, agreements for things like energy and air traffic, etc.
    Also to admit that Northern Ireland was f*cked. They could be part of the UK with a border in one place; or they could be part of the ROI with a border in a different place. Independence (with an eye on the Scots) would be right out, of course.

  39. I heard parts of this talk in the car a week or so ago — Fintan O’Toole of the Irish Times talking about Brexit and Ireland. The parts about the border were heartbreaking. It’s not only Northern Ireland that will be f*cked — the whole island will be somewhat f*cked, given that people are now moving freely across the border and have gotten used to it.
    Such a thoroughly Irish analogy (paraphrasing): “There’s not a cigarette paper’s worth of difference between the positions of the Republic and the EU on the subject of the border.” (I.e. they both want to keep it open.)
    I’ve got to go back and listen to the whole thing when I get time.

  40. I heard parts of this talk in the car a week or so ago — Fintan O’Toole of the Irish Times talking about Brexit and Ireland. The parts about the border were heartbreaking. It’s not only Northern Ireland that will be f*cked — the whole island will be somewhat f*cked, given that people are now moving freely across the border and have gotten used to it.
    Such a thoroughly Irish analogy (paraphrasing): “There’s not a cigarette paper’s worth of difference between the positions of the Republic and the EU on the subject of the border.” (I.e. they both want to keep it open.)
    I’ve got to go back and listen to the whole thing when I get time.

  41. Thanks for the link, novakant. Having read the essay, I will quibble with your scary list only so far as to say you forgot to mention greed.

  42. Thanks for the link, novakant. Having read the essay, I will quibble with your scary list only so far as to say you forgot to mention greed.

  43. Novakant, I thought this one line summed up both the article and the situation with Brexit:

    …the successive exits of David Davis and Dominic Raab from the office of Brexit secretary conveyed a sense that theirs was an ideology that couldn’t survive its own implementation.

    And I suspect the same is true (over the medium, let alone long, term) of Trumpism. It may not be as immediately, inescapably, disasterous as Brexit. But reality wil force itself on its fans just the same.

  44. Novakant, I thought this one line summed up both the article and the situation with Brexit:

    …the successive exits of David Davis and Dominic Raab from the office of Brexit secretary conveyed a sense that theirs was an ideology that couldn’t survive its own implementation.

    And I suspect the same is true (over the medium, let alone long, term) of Trumpism. It may not be as immediately, inescapably, disasterous as Brexit. But reality wil force itself on its fans just the same.

  45. i wouldn’t assume its fans are either smart enough to accurately identify the cause of their problems or willing to listen to sources outside the GOP noise machine for facts.
    a big chunk of the population will never admit or learn that Trumpism was the cause of anything but MAGA.

  46. i wouldn’t assume its fans are either smart enough to accurately identify the cause of their problems or willing to listen to sources outside the GOP noise machine for facts.
    a big chunk of the population will never admit or learn that Trumpism was the cause of anything but MAGA.

  47. cleek, I’d say that it could play out that way. But given the (in)competence in evidence, I’d say that there’s a good chance that Trump manages to do something dumb that visibly hits them where they live.

  48. cleek, I’d say that it could play out that way. But given the (in)competence in evidence, I’d say that there’s a good chance that Trump manages to do something dumb that visibly hits them where they live.

  49. Nobody every lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American public
    Alas, the British public too apparently.

  50. Nobody every lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American public
    Alas, the British public too apparently.

  51. I’d say that there’s a good chance that Trump manages to do something dumb that visibly hits them where they live.
    I’d say that’s already happened. And, I don’t think that has any relevance to cleek’s point.
    He’s their guy. They’ll love him no matter what.

  52. I’d say that there’s a good chance that Trump manages to do something dumb that visibly hits them where they live.
    I’d say that’s already happened. And, I don’t think that has any relevance to cleek’s point.
    He’s their guy. They’ll love him no matter what.

  53. He’s their guy. They’ll love him no matter what.
    He’s started hemorraghing support in all his core crosstabs : first and most among non-college-educated white women, but in the most recent days, also among evangelicals and non-college-educated white me.
    I think that in another week, this will be an unmistakable disaster for the Rs.
    Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

  54. He’s their guy. They’ll love him no matter what.
    He’s started hemorraghing support in all his core crosstabs : first and most among non-college-educated white women, but in the most recent days, also among evangelicals and non-college-educated white me.
    I think that in another week, this will be an unmistakable disaster for the Rs.
    Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

  55. My guess is he’ll never go below 25% approval. I’d put solid money on 20%.
    I’ll be happy to be wrong.
    In any case I will by no means interrupt the man. Please proceed, Mr president.

  56. My guess is he’ll never go below 25% approval. I’d put solid money on 20%.
    I’ll be happy to be wrong.
    In any case I will by no means interrupt the man. Please proceed, Mr president.

  57. He’s their guy. They’ll love him no matter what.
    Some of them, sure. Some people still argue for a flat earth, too.
    Probably his current ~40% (and dropping) support bottoms out well above zero. But I’d guess that it gets low enough that it’s no longer enough to primary legislators in more than a handful of districts. In other words, the remaining Trump true believers become about as important as the Lost Cause true believers. (And bigoted as it may be of me, I figure significant overlap there.)

  58. He’s their guy. They’ll love him no matter what.
    Some of them, sure. Some people still argue for a flat earth, too.
    Probably his current ~40% (and dropping) support bottoms out well above zero. But I’d guess that it gets low enough that it’s no longer enough to primary legislators in more than a handful of districts. In other words, the remaining Trump true believers become about as important as the Lost Cause true believers. (And bigoted as it may be of me, I figure significant overlap there.)

  59. My guess is he’ll never go below 25% approval.
    Rigorous research by Kungfu Monkey has determined that the floor is 27%, and a number of subsequent events have corroborated that figure.
    But Darth Cheny managed to break 20% at one point.
    I think Trump is just the guy to break Cheney’s record.

  60. My guess is he’ll never go below 25% approval.
    Rigorous research by Kungfu Monkey has determined that the floor is 27%, and a number of subsequent events have corroborated that figure.
    But Darth Cheny managed to break 20% at one point.
    I think Trump is just the guy to break Cheney’s record.

  61. God knows I have very little to quarrel with in the analysis laid out in bobbyp’s link, except to say that the slow-motion car crash of Brexit is the fruit of not just upper-class incompetents and liars nostalgic for their conception of Britain’s past greatness and/or cynically eager for their own advancement (Johnson), but of a true confederacy of dunces including shady hustlers on the make (Farage) and almost certainly on the take (Farage and Arron Banks et al). However, on the subject of Mountbatten, I have this (possibly apocryphal) story to contribute: when Mountbatten was commanding the Kelly in 1941, and it was sunk, with survivors surfacing near each other, one of the lower ranks surfacing near Lord Mountbatten said to him “Funny how scum always rises to the top”. This was later presented as being either because he had not recognised his skipper, or an example of jolly British stiff upper lip humour, but personally I have my doubts.

  62. God knows I have very little to quarrel with in the analysis laid out in bobbyp’s link, except to say that the slow-motion car crash of Brexit is the fruit of not just upper-class incompetents and liars nostalgic for their conception of Britain’s past greatness and/or cynically eager for their own advancement (Johnson), but of a true confederacy of dunces including shady hustlers on the make (Farage) and almost certainly on the take (Farage and Arron Banks et al). However, on the subject of Mountbatten, I have this (possibly apocryphal) story to contribute: when Mountbatten was commanding the Kelly in 1941, and it was sunk, with survivors surfacing near each other, one of the lower ranks surfacing near Lord Mountbatten said to him “Funny how scum always rises to the top”. This was later presented as being either because he had not recognised his skipper, or an example of jolly British stiff upper lip humour, but personally I have my doubts.

  63. The piece at bobbyp’s link draws connections between the Brexit mess and the hasty British partition of India (which was a “mess” that cost at least a million lives).
    That page has a link to another essay focused on Northern Ireland that includes this:

    Prime Minister May formed a coalition with the D.U.P. [Democratic Unionist Party] after losing her parliamentary majority in last year’s snap election. In exchange for keeping her in office, she gave the hard-line Unionists veto power over Brexit negotiations. The D.U.P., which has a history of ties to gunrunning and paramilitarism, has never been easy to deal with. Its leadership is based in the Free Presbyterian Church, the fundamentalist sect founded in 1951 by the former D.U.P. leader Ian Paisley. It has been described by the journalist Owen Jones as “the political wing of the 17th century.” During the 1980s, campaigning against Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s negotiated settlement with the Irish Republic, its slogan blared from every lamppost in Northern Ireland: “Ulster Says No.”

    Ulster is saying no again. Mrs. May, to satisfy her party, has to get Britain out of the European customs union, restoring a customs border between the United Kingdom and the European Union. The D.U.P. welcomes that. But the Good Friday agreement presupposes a “soft” border between the north and south of Ireland. Mrs. May, to preserve the agreement, proposes keeping Northern Ireland in the customs union. That means a customs border between Northern Ireland and the rest of Britain. There, the D.U.P. draws a “blood red” line. That, it says, mortally threatens the Union.

    “The political wing of the seventeenth century” — zing. If only it weren’t actually so.

  64. The piece at bobbyp’s link draws connections between the Brexit mess and the hasty British partition of India (which was a “mess” that cost at least a million lives).
    That page has a link to another essay focused on Northern Ireland that includes this:

    Prime Minister May formed a coalition with the D.U.P. [Democratic Unionist Party] after losing her parliamentary majority in last year’s snap election. In exchange for keeping her in office, she gave the hard-line Unionists veto power over Brexit negotiations. The D.U.P., which has a history of ties to gunrunning and paramilitarism, has never been easy to deal with. Its leadership is based in the Free Presbyterian Church, the fundamentalist sect founded in 1951 by the former D.U.P. leader Ian Paisley. It has been described by the journalist Owen Jones as “the political wing of the 17th century.” During the 1980s, campaigning against Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s negotiated settlement with the Irish Republic, its slogan blared from every lamppost in Northern Ireland: “Ulster Says No.”

    Ulster is saying no again. Mrs. May, to satisfy her party, has to get Britain out of the European customs union, restoring a customs border between the United Kingdom and the European Union. The D.U.P. welcomes that. But the Good Friday agreement presupposes a “soft” border between the north and south of Ireland. Mrs. May, to preserve the agreement, proposes keeping Northern Ireland in the customs union. That means a customs border between Northern Ireland and the rest of Britain. There, the D.U.P. draws a “blood red” line. That, it says, mortally threatens the Union.

    “The political wing of the seventeenth century” — zing. If only it weren’t actually so.

  65. GFTNC:
    One must have the foresight not to go into the drink as the ship goes down only to have the entire cast of Monty Python surface next to one, collectively spit out a snout full of seawater, and wax hilarious at one’s expense.
    More delicious bon mottery in lieu, temporarily, of the approaching apocalypse:
    http://crookedtimber.org/2019/01/17/marina-hyde-competition/
    “Here comes voluminously overcoated Jacob Rees-Mogg, who still resembles an 11-year-old Jacob Rees-Mogg sitting on Nanny’s shoulders for a nursery game called Disaster Capitalist’s Bluff.”
    “And here comes the affectedly shambling figure of Boris Johnson – not so much a statesman as an Oxfam donation bag torn open by a fox – who could conceivably still end up prime minister of no-deal Britain.”
    Bye.

  66. GFTNC:
    One must have the foresight not to go into the drink as the ship goes down only to have the entire cast of Monty Python surface next to one, collectively spit out a snout full of seawater, and wax hilarious at one’s expense.
    More delicious bon mottery in lieu, temporarily, of the approaching apocalypse:
    http://crookedtimber.org/2019/01/17/marina-hyde-competition/
    “Here comes voluminously overcoated Jacob Rees-Mogg, who still resembles an 11-year-old Jacob Rees-Mogg sitting on Nanny’s shoulders for a nursery game called Disaster Capitalist’s Bluff.”
    “And here comes the affectedly shambling figure of Boris Johnson – not so much a statesman as an Oxfam donation bag torn open by a fox – who could conceivably still end up prime minister of no-deal Britain.”
    Bye.

  67. Yes, I read that Marina Hyde piece, it was full of such excellent, hilarious and bitter descriptions. And as a matter of fact, I remember the 11 (and even 8) year old Jacob Rees-Mogg, and am frequently filled with disbelief that this is a politician that anybody in their right minds takes seriously. Further to Janie’s comment, he is often referred to as “the member for the 17th Century”.

  68. Yes, I read that Marina Hyde piece, it was full of such excellent, hilarious and bitter descriptions. And as a matter of fact, I remember the 11 (and even 8) year old Jacob Rees-Mogg, and am frequently filled with disbelief that this is a politician that anybody in their right minds takes seriously. Further to Janie’s comment, he is often referred to as “the member for the 17th Century”.

  69. Brexit is a movement aiming to give more power to the British ruling classes. Politicians who see themselves as entitled to rule (Johnson, Rees-Mogg) naturally support it. But so, bizarrely, do politicians (UKIP) who in every other context have nothing but contempt for the competence of our rulers. And, as the last two years have shown, rightly so.
    I’m reminded of supporters of GW Bush’s wars, who plaintively asked “how were we to know he’d make such a mess of it?”.

  70. Brexit is a movement aiming to give more power to the British ruling classes. Politicians who see themselves as entitled to rule (Johnson, Rees-Mogg) naturally support it. But so, bizarrely, do politicians (UKIP) who in every other context have nothing but contempt for the competence of our rulers. And, as the last two years have shown, rightly so.
    I’m reminded of supporters of GW Bush’s wars, who plaintively asked “how were we to know he’d make such a mess of it?”.

  71. And as for ousting May, I am reminded of my favourite slogan of the activist group Billionaires for Bush who held up signs, before his 2nd election, saying “Why change horseman in mid-apocalypse?”

  72. And as for ousting May, I am reminded of my favourite slogan of the activist group Billionaires for Bush who held up signs, before his 2nd election, saying “Why change horseman in mid-apocalypse?”

  73. It would be deeply amusing if it proves to be Giuliani who brings Trump down.
    While it doesn’t (that I spotted) get quoted in Nigel’s link, Giuliani made a great point of saying “President Trump” did not collude. That’s mostly being taken as leaving open the position that others on the campaign did so without his knowledge.
    But I think it may be far simpler than that. President Trump didn’t collude during the campaign . . . for the simple reason that he wasn’t President yet. It’s the kind of careful parsing that lawyers do….

  74. It would be deeply amusing if it proves to be Giuliani who brings Trump down.
    While it doesn’t (that I spotted) get quoted in Nigel’s link, Giuliani made a great point of saying “President Trump” did not collude. That’s mostly being taken as leaving open the position that others on the campaign did so without his knowledge.
    But I think it may be far simpler than that. President Trump didn’t collude during the campaign . . . for the simple reason that he wasn’t President yet. It’s the kind of careful parsing that lawyers do….

  75. More delicious bon mottery
    The Scots for creative profanity, the Irish for grand flights of lyrical abuse, and the English for slipping the knife in with acerbic wit.
    We Americans cannot hold a candle to our fellows across the pond.

  76. More delicious bon mottery
    The Scots for creative profanity, the Irish for grand flights of lyrical abuse, and the English for slipping the knife in with acerbic wit.
    We Americans cannot hold a candle to our fellows across the pond.

  77. From the cou… oops, Thullen’s link:

    I’ve always thought of Mitch McConnell as Grand Vizier to Yertle the Turtle. Hyde would probably call him an ambulatory sack of sausage rolls. And not those posh sausage rolls from Waitrose either, those nasty Tesco ones.

    Over here, we would recognize those as Jimmy Dean brand sausage rolls.
    Does it mean I’m a bad person if this makes me laugh out loud?

  78. From the cou… oops, Thullen’s link:

    I’ve always thought of Mitch McConnell as Grand Vizier to Yertle the Turtle. Hyde would probably call him an ambulatory sack of sausage rolls. And not those posh sausage rolls from Waitrose either, those nasty Tesco ones.

    Over here, we would recognize those as Jimmy Dean brand sausage rolls.
    Does it mean I’m a bad person if this makes me laugh out loud?

  79. “By the end, the viewer is left with the impression that the referendum amounted almost to a coup—a coup pulled off by a clique of obsessives with a mad genius in tow and some sort of unspecified link to Trump.
    In fact, the referendum represented almost precisely the opposite. Britain’s elites were clinging to the 1950s ideal of a united Europe long after it had passed its sell-by date. What carried the day was the warm and optimistic conviction of the non-political classes that decisions should be made closer to home. What country, after all, ever got poorer as a result of becoming more independent? The United States voted Leave in 1776; and, from where I’m standing, things seem to have worked out OK for you.”

    What the New HBO Brexit Film Gets Wrong: Leavers aren’t the sinister, racist, champagne wasters they’re made out to be.

  80. “By the end, the viewer is left with the impression that the referendum amounted almost to a coup—a coup pulled off by a clique of obsessives with a mad genius in tow and some sort of unspecified link to Trump.
    In fact, the referendum represented almost precisely the opposite. Britain’s elites were clinging to the 1950s ideal of a united Europe long after it had passed its sell-by date. What carried the day was the warm and optimistic conviction of the non-political classes that decisions should be made closer to home. What country, after all, ever got poorer as a result of becoming more independent? The United States voted Leave in 1776; and, from where I’m standing, things seem to have worked out OK for you.”

    What the New HBO Brexit Film Gets Wrong: Leavers aren’t the sinister, racist, champagne wasters they’re made out to be.

  81. CharlesWT,
    Assuming you personally subscribe to the notion that “decisions should be made closer to home”, can you please clarify how close to home?
    For instance: there are surely towns (if not states) in the US whose close-to-the-people governments would happily fund churches with (local) tax money, except for that goshdarn one-size-fits-all 1st Amendment enforced by that Leviathan of a government in far-away Washington. What’s the principled Libertarian position on that one?
    –TP

  82. CharlesWT,
    Assuming you personally subscribe to the notion that “decisions should be made closer to home”, can you please clarify how close to home?
    For instance: there are surely towns (if not states) in the US whose close-to-the-people governments would happily fund churches with (local) tax money, except for that goshdarn one-size-fits-all 1st Amendment enforced by that Leviathan of a government in far-away Washington. What’s the principled Libertarian position on that one?
    –TP

  83. Charles, it sounds from the link like what the film gets wrong is that in suggests a link (via Mercer) to Trump. Whereas the documented foreign intervention was from Russia.
    Leavers aren’t the sinister, racist, champagne wasters they’re made out to be.
    I can’t speak to the “champagne wasters” allegation. But otherwise? Yeah, pretty much.
    That’s for those pushing it, of course. Those voting for it also included people with a variety of other motives. And a disinclination to accept the reality of how EU membership benefits Britain — which reality is coming home as devising an actual, as opposed to theoretical, Brexit is attempted.

  84. Charles, it sounds from the link like what the film gets wrong is that in suggests a link (via Mercer) to Trump. Whereas the documented foreign intervention was from Russia.
    Leavers aren’t the sinister, racist, champagne wasters they’re made out to be.
    I can’t speak to the “champagne wasters” allegation. But otherwise? Yeah, pretty much.
    That’s for those pushing it, of course. Those voting for it also included people with a variety of other motives. And a disinclination to accept the reality of how EU membership benefits Britain — which reality is coming home as devising an actual, as opposed to theoretical, Brexit is attempted.

  85. Charles WT:
    Daniel Hannan? come on, really?
    (amongst other things, he wants to turn the UK into Singapore – he’s completely delusional)

  86. Charles WT:
    Daniel Hannan? come on, really?
    (amongst other things, he wants to turn the UK into Singapore – he’s completely delusional)

  87. What country, after all, ever got poorer as a result of becoming more independent?
    Let’s ask Adam Smith about that.
    Were the UK a colony of the EU, the analogy to the US in 1776 might be apt.
    In any case, we don’t have to speculate. The Brexiteers are going to run an experiment for us, we can resolve the question empirically.

  88. What country, after all, ever got poorer as a result of becoming more independent?
    Let’s ask Adam Smith about that.
    Were the UK a colony of the EU, the analogy to the US in 1776 might be apt.
    In any case, we don’t have to speculate. The Brexiteers are going to run an experiment for us, we can resolve the question empirically.

  89. The Brexiteers are going to run an experiment for us, we can resolve the question empirically.
    And in the best scientific fashion, we can fashion predictions, based on our theory of choice.
    If flat-out libertarian theory is correct, Britain will take a hard Brexit and flourish. Anyone (besides Charles) want to take bets on that? Note that you have to get in all your caveats about “Well if only they had….” ahead of time. No ex post facto justifications for why it didn’t happen.
    Alternatively, if Adam Smith is correct, any kind of Brexit will leave Britain poorer.

  90. The Brexiteers are going to run an experiment for us, we can resolve the question empirically.
    And in the best scientific fashion, we can fashion predictions, based on our theory of choice.
    If flat-out libertarian theory is correct, Britain will take a hard Brexit and flourish. Anyone (besides Charles) want to take bets on that? Note that you have to get in all your caveats about “Well if only they had….” ahead of time. No ex post facto justifications for why it didn’t happen.
    Alternatively, if Adam Smith is correct, any kind of Brexit will leave Britain poorer.

  91. Okay!
    I just came up with a new solution for Brexit, which is mine. Although if someone wants to suggest it to someone in the UK that could implment it (Gftnc, hint hint), they’re welcome to do so.
    For the hard/soft border between the Republic of Ireland and NI, or between NI and the rest of the UK:
    Catholics in NI can travel and trade freely with the Republic of Ireland (soft border), but not the rest of the UK (hard border). Protestants in NI can travel and trade freely with the rest of the UK (soft border) but not with the Republic of Ireland (hard border).
    The UK could still get critical goods from the EU, but it would require cooperation between Catholics and Protestants in NI.

  92. Okay!
    I just came up with a new solution for Brexit, which is mine. Although if someone wants to suggest it to someone in the UK that could implment it (Gftnc, hint hint), they’re welcome to do so.
    For the hard/soft border between the Republic of Ireland and NI, or between NI and the rest of the UK:
    Catholics in NI can travel and trade freely with the Republic of Ireland (soft border), but not the rest of the UK (hard border). Protestants in NI can travel and trade freely with the rest of the UK (soft border) but not with the Republic of Ireland (hard border).
    The UK could still get critical goods from the EU, but it would require cooperation between Catholics and Protestants in NI.

  93. Although if someone wants to suggest it to someone in the UK that could implement it (Gftnc, hint hint), they’re welcome to do so.
    Reports of my contact with those holding the levers of power have been greatly exaggerated.

  94. Although if someone wants to suggest it to someone in the UK that could implement it (Gftnc, hint hint), they’re welcome to do so.
    Reports of my contact with those holding the levers of power have been greatly exaggerated.

  95. If flat-out libertarian theory is correct, Britain will take a hard Brexit and flourish.
    Weird that our CharlesWT is supporting closed borders. Thought that was anathema to libertarians (one of the few things I like about them).
    Catholics in NI can travel and trade freely with the Republic of Ireland (soft border), but not the rest of the UK (hard border).
    I’m assuming that Catholics in Ireland these days are “cultural Catholics” or some variation of Catholic that doesn’t include adherence to the rape conspiracy. [I was brought up Catholic, and have practiced Catholicism intermittently during my adulthood, so I’m hoping no one accuses me of religious bigotry. If so, we can talk.] Anyway, Snarki’s laws might have some twists.

  96. If flat-out libertarian theory is correct, Britain will take a hard Brexit and flourish.
    Weird that our CharlesWT is supporting closed borders. Thought that was anathema to libertarians (one of the few things I like about them).
    Catholics in NI can travel and trade freely with the Republic of Ireland (soft border), but not the rest of the UK (hard border).
    I’m assuming that Catholics in Ireland these days are “cultural Catholics” or some variation of Catholic that doesn’t include adherence to the rape conspiracy. [I was brought up Catholic, and have practiced Catholicism intermittently during my adulthood, so I’m hoping no one accuses me of religious bigotry. If so, we can talk.] Anyway, Snarki’s laws might have some twists.

  97. Assuming you personally subscribe to the notion that “decisions should be made closer to home”, can you please clarify how close to home?
    Decisions should start with the individual and work outward.
    If decisions you don’t like are being made at the state and local level, you can live with them or work to change them. Or vote with your feet. Which a lot of people around the country are doing these days.
    If you don’t like the decisions made at the national level, you may just have to just live with them or leave the country. Fat chance, in most cases, of getting them change. In the case of the US, if you leave the country, you also have to renounce your citizenship to completely escape. For example, the IRS tried to shake down Boris Johnson for capital gains taxes because he was born in the US but hasn’t lived there since he was five.
    amongst other things, he wants to turn the UK into Singapore – he’s completely delusional
    While the UK isn’t a free market Mecca, it did score 78.0(8th) to the US’s 75.7(18th) on the 2018 Index of Economic Freedom. While the UK may be well positioned, at least geographically, to be the Singapore of the West, I guess the delusion is thinking that you can get there from here. It would take a major upheaval of the UK’s cultural, social, and political status quos.
    Anyone (besides Charles) want to take bets on that?
    Good chance it will go badly. At least in the short term. Like a 10% decline in GDP. In the long term, who knows. Politicians can always make a bad situation worse.
    Weird that our CharlesWT is supporting closed borders. Thought that was anathema to libertarians (one of the few things I like about them).
    I have never supported close borders. Although it’s quite possible that I’ve written something that seems to imply that I did. I think we should make it as easy as possible for people to come here to live and work.

  98. Assuming you personally subscribe to the notion that “decisions should be made closer to home”, can you please clarify how close to home?
    Decisions should start with the individual and work outward.
    If decisions you don’t like are being made at the state and local level, you can live with them or work to change them. Or vote with your feet. Which a lot of people around the country are doing these days.
    If you don’t like the decisions made at the national level, you may just have to just live with them or leave the country. Fat chance, in most cases, of getting them change. In the case of the US, if you leave the country, you also have to renounce your citizenship to completely escape. For example, the IRS tried to shake down Boris Johnson for capital gains taxes because he was born in the US but hasn’t lived there since he was five.
    amongst other things, he wants to turn the UK into Singapore – he’s completely delusional
    While the UK isn’t a free market Mecca, it did score 78.0(8th) to the US’s 75.7(18th) on the 2018 Index of Economic Freedom. While the UK may be well positioned, at least geographically, to be the Singapore of the West, I guess the delusion is thinking that you can get there from here. It would take a major upheaval of the UK’s cultural, social, and political status quos.
    Anyone (besides Charles) want to take bets on that?
    Good chance it will go badly. At least in the short term. Like a 10% decline in GDP. In the long term, who knows. Politicians can always make a bad situation worse.
    Weird that our CharlesWT is supporting closed borders. Thought that was anathema to libertarians (one of the few things I like about them).
    I have never supported close borders. Although it’s quite possible that I’ve written something that seems to imply that I did. I think we should make it as easy as possible for people to come here to live and work.

  99. There you go again, lj, injecting reality into a lovely little ideology bubble. It always does such nasty things to the view through the rose tinted glasses….

  100. There you go again, lj, injecting reality into a lovely little ideology bubble. It always does such nasty things to the view through the rose tinted glasses….

  101. Decisions should start with the individual and work outward.
    Most decisions that are topics of discussion here are broader in scope than individuals. The upper limit to what can be resolved in a satisfactory way by individuals is achieved pretty quickly.
    Blue shirt or white shirt? Whatever floats your boat. We’re not talking about blue shirts and white shirts.

  102. Decisions should start with the individual and work outward.
    Most decisions that are topics of discussion here are broader in scope than individuals. The upper limit to what can be resolved in a satisfactory way by individuals is achieved pretty quickly.
    Blue shirt or white shirt? Whatever floats your boat. We’re not talking about blue shirts and white shirts.

  103. About that Index of Economic Freedom…
    A response. Unfortunately some of the links are dead.
    “In a March 26 “special report” that’s been circulating on the Web, Henwood condescendingly notes the truism that “correlation doesn’t prove causation.” We agree, and we have never claimed otherwise. The data show only that changes in the Index score and growth rates rise and fall together.”
    The Index: Setting the Record Straight

  104. About that Index of Economic Freedom…
    A response. Unfortunately some of the links are dead.
    “In a March 26 “special report” that’s been circulating on the Web, Henwood condescendingly notes the truism that “correlation doesn’t prove causation.” We agree, and we have never claimed otherwise. The data show only that changes in the Index score and growth rates rise and fall together.”
    The Index: Setting the Record Straight

  105. You have to understand that libertarianism is, at heart, a teenaged fantasy.
    Responses.
    “Corning, and so many like him, could learn a little humility from history. Just because violent nation states engaging in social engineering and forced redistribution are the flavor of the day doesn’t mean they’re the best system for enabling people to lead rich and rewarding lives.
    But having
    that discussion demands much more than painting your opponents as moral monsters who reject the very foundations of what it means to be human. In other words, it demands more careful study than Peter Corning appears ready to muster.”
    How Not to Argue Against Libertarianism: Cogently attacking libertarianism means, at the very least, wrestling with what libertarians actually believe.
    “Evidently Corning believes that a libertarian world would be too selfish to care about the few who fall into misfortune. But there is no evidence that greater freedom results in greater selfishness in the sense of not caring about others. So here we have an article that seeks to apply psychology to an ideology, but with no evidence and with flaws in logic. Psychology here is being applied as a cover for ideological views. Has this been peer reviewed, or are the peers just as biased and lacking in scientific principle?”
    Libertarianism and Psychology

  106. You have to understand that libertarianism is, at heart, a teenaged fantasy.
    Responses.
    “Corning, and so many like him, could learn a little humility from history. Just because violent nation states engaging in social engineering and forced redistribution are the flavor of the day doesn’t mean they’re the best system for enabling people to lead rich and rewarding lives.
    But having
    that discussion demands much more than painting your opponents as moral monsters who reject the very foundations of what it means to be human. In other words, it demands more careful study than Peter Corning appears ready to muster.”
    How Not to Argue Against Libertarianism: Cogently attacking libertarianism means, at the very least, wrestling with what libertarians actually believe.
    “Evidently Corning believes that a libertarian world would be too selfish to care about the few who fall into misfortune. But there is no evidence that greater freedom results in greater selfishness in the sense of not caring about others. So here we have an article that seeks to apply psychology to an ideology, but with no evidence and with flaws in logic. Psychology here is being applied as a cover for ideological views. Has this been peer reviewed, or are the peers just as biased and lacking in scientific principle?”
    Libertarianism and Psychology

  107. Just because violent nation states engaging in social engineering and forced redistribution are the flavor of the day doesn’t mean they’re the best system for enabling people to lead rich and rewarding lives.
    Forgive me if I’m reading this unfairly. But it rather seems to assume facts which are perhaps best described as “not in evidence.”
    Are some (though by no means all) nation states today violent? Yes. Is anyone arguing that their being so is desirable (which is how I take “flavor of the day”)? No doubt a few, since there are lunatics supporting pretty much any view you can imagine. But not a significant number.
    Do nation states today engage in social engineering? Yup. And so has every nation state in history. And, I submit, so will every one in the future. What differs is what kind of society they strive to create or maintain. All objecting to “social engineering” means is that you dislike the kind of society that the particular nation state favors. And would prefer that it engineer something more to your liking — which, purely by coincidence no doubt, happens to be one that you personally think you would do well in.
    Do nation states today engage in forced redistribution? Again, yes. If you are going to have a tax system (and you can’t have a nation state without one) it will necessarily result in some kind of redistribution. All this complain reduces to is “they are taking too much from the worthy, i.e. me and people like me, and giving too much to the unworthy, i.e. everybody else.”
    You can argue that changes to the social system being promoted, or to the sort of (re)distribution being done, would make groups that you think deserve a better shake or even people generally better off. But claiming that it wouldn’t be social engineering too, and redistributive too, is simply not true.
    Unless you decide to totally eliminate government. (Viewed from the outside, perhaps inaccurately, as the ultimate libertarian ideal.) Even that is social engineering, of course. And history suggests that, in rather short order, groups will be getting together to establish some kind of government again — probably by force in at least some areas. Because, whether in a modern technological world or at the hunter/gatherer level, things work better for most people that way.
    And, just to be clear, running a society without some kind of mechanism to enforce contracts, etc., doesn’t work beyond an economy involving a few dozen people. Which is something government does, and necessarily involves at least the threat of force if all other enforcement fails.

  108. Just because violent nation states engaging in social engineering and forced redistribution are the flavor of the day doesn’t mean they’re the best system for enabling people to lead rich and rewarding lives.
    Forgive me if I’m reading this unfairly. But it rather seems to assume facts which are perhaps best described as “not in evidence.”
    Are some (though by no means all) nation states today violent? Yes. Is anyone arguing that their being so is desirable (which is how I take “flavor of the day”)? No doubt a few, since there are lunatics supporting pretty much any view you can imagine. But not a significant number.
    Do nation states today engage in social engineering? Yup. And so has every nation state in history. And, I submit, so will every one in the future. What differs is what kind of society they strive to create or maintain. All objecting to “social engineering” means is that you dislike the kind of society that the particular nation state favors. And would prefer that it engineer something more to your liking — which, purely by coincidence no doubt, happens to be one that you personally think you would do well in.
    Do nation states today engage in forced redistribution? Again, yes. If you are going to have a tax system (and you can’t have a nation state without one) it will necessarily result in some kind of redistribution. All this complain reduces to is “they are taking too much from the worthy, i.e. me and people like me, and giving too much to the unworthy, i.e. everybody else.”
    You can argue that changes to the social system being promoted, or to the sort of (re)distribution being done, would make groups that you think deserve a better shake or even people generally better off. But claiming that it wouldn’t be social engineering too, and redistributive too, is simply not true.
    Unless you decide to totally eliminate government. (Viewed from the outside, perhaps inaccurately, as the ultimate libertarian ideal.) Even that is social engineering, of course. And history suggests that, in rather short order, groups will be getting together to establish some kind of government again — probably by force in at least some areas. Because, whether in a modern technological world or at the hunter/gatherer level, things work better for most people that way.
    And, just to be clear, running a society without some kind of mechanism to enforce contracts, etc., doesn’t work beyond an economy involving a few dozen people. Which is something government does, and necessarily involves at least the threat of force if all other enforcement fails.

  109. Corning, and so many like him, could learn a little humility from history.
    Humility is not the word that comes to mind when I hear libertarians speak, and more so when I read the links. And learning from history as well.
    As for responses, try these on for size
    https://www.openstarts.units.it/bitstream/10077/5817/1/Grcic_E%26P_XIII_2011_2.pdf
    http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/01/let-it-bleed-libertarianism-and-the-workplace/
    https://www.salon.com/2013/09/12/11_questions_to_see_if_libertarians_are_hypocrites/

  110. Corning, and so many like him, could learn a little humility from history.
    Humility is not the word that comes to mind when I hear libertarians speak, and more so when I read the links. And learning from history as well.
    As for responses, try these on for size
    https://www.openstarts.units.it/bitstream/10077/5817/1/Grcic_E%26P_XIII_2011_2.pdf
    http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/01/let-it-bleed-libertarianism-and-the-workplace/
    https://www.salon.com/2013/09/12/11_questions_to_see_if_libertarians_are_hypocrites/

  111. Q: What is the libertarian answer to who goes first at a four way intersection?
    A: The one with the biggest.

  112. Q: What is the libertarian answer to who goes first at a four way intersection?
    A: The one with the biggest.

  113. The biggest vehicle with the gun turret and mud flaps will go first.
    Or, each of the four drivers will submit bids electronically in a “Who goes first?” auction. The one who submits his or her bid in Bitcoin currency automatically wins. Or maybe the person who offers up a live chicken as a bid wins ….. but then they won’t have the chicken to trade for the colonoscopy procedure they are late for with Dr. Paul in attendance.
    Or, lady drivers will go first. By whom I mean teenage conservative male drivers wearing wigs and lipstick and possessing the heaviest foot.
    Wait, there won’t even BE intersections. Each citizen will have their own road, parallel to everyone else’s roads, each maintained according to each’s means.
    My libertarian car is not required by government to have brakes, turn signals, or a horn, so I’m coming through no matter what.

  114. The biggest vehicle with the gun turret and mud flaps will go first.
    Or, each of the four drivers will submit bids electronically in a “Who goes first?” auction. The one who submits his or her bid in Bitcoin currency automatically wins. Or maybe the person who offers up a live chicken as a bid wins ….. but then they won’t have the chicken to trade for the colonoscopy procedure they are late for with Dr. Paul in attendance.
    Or, lady drivers will go first. By whom I mean teenage conservative male drivers wearing wigs and lipstick and possessing the heaviest foot.
    Wait, there won’t even BE intersections. Each citizen will have their own road, parallel to everyone else’s roads, each maintained according to each’s means.
    My libertarian car is not required by government to have brakes, turn signals, or a horn, so I’m coming through no matter what.

  115. There’s a roundabout near me with a libertarian in a VW belching diesel smoke stuck on it going round and round continuously for the past year.
    He claims he didn’t approve of any of the exit choices made available from this particular roundabout by city planners, and besides there is no road that can take him where he wants to go, which is not so much a geographic destination, but rather a pie .. in the sky.
    He’ll have a flying car soon to get there.

  116. There’s a roundabout near me with a libertarian in a VW belching diesel smoke stuck on it going round and round continuously for the past year.
    He claims he didn’t approve of any of the exit choices made available from this particular roundabout by city planners, and besides there is no road that can take him where he wants to go, which is not so much a geographic destination, but rather a pie .. in the sky.
    He’ll have a flying car soon to get there.

  117. Some Libertarians like going around in circles, some like charging ahead unhindered. I’d love to see traffic camera footage from a Libertarian roundabout.
    We all have philosophies, and most of us believe other people, not just we, would be better off if they all adopted our particular philosophy. Convincing those other people can be hard, of course.
    My own philosophy amounts to a societal version of the Least Action Principle from physics. It boils down to: minimize fuss and bother. Although I am a founding member of the International Lazy Men’s Association (which you have never heard of because we were too lazy to proselytize), I do not hold that fuss and bother are best minimized by sheer laziness. A certain amount of effort is indeed warranted, today, to avoid foreseeable problems tomorrow. Life IS fuss and bother; we can only minimize it, not eliminate it.
    Still, you have to admit that laziness has its virtues. Few wars get launched by lazy people, for instance. Or philosophical jihads, for that matter. So the fuss and bother of deprogramming Libertarians is not high on the priority list of the ILMA.
    Do I believe that Libertarians would be happier by becoming lazier? Sure I do. But I’m too lazy to do anything about it right now.
    –TP

  118. Some Libertarians like going around in circles, some like charging ahead unhindered. I’d love to see traffic camera footage from a Libertarian roundabout.
    We all have philosophies, and most of us believe other people, not just we, would be better off if they all adopted our particular philosophy. Convincing those other people can be hard, of course.
    My own philosophy amounts to a societal version of the Least Action Principle from physics. It boils down to: minimize fuss and bother. Although I am a founding member of the International Lazy Men’s Association (which you have never heard of because we were too lazy to proselytize), I do not hold that fuss and bother are best minimized by sheer laziness. A certain amount of effort is indeed warranted, today, to avoid foreseeable problems tomorrow. Life IS fuss and bother; we can only minimize it, not eliminate it.
    Still, you have to admit that laziness has its virtues. Few wars get launched by lazy people, for instance. Or philosophical jihads, for that matter. So the fuss and bother of deprogramming Libertarians is not high on the priority list of the ILMA.
    Do I believe that Libertarians would be happier by becoming lazier? Sure I do. But I’m too lazy to do anything about it right now.
    –TP

  119. I am a founding member of the International Lazy Men’s Association
    At long last, a club I would be pleased to join.
    Charles, I have no doubt that you only intend the best of all possible worlds. I’m just not seeing how your concept works in real life.

  120. I am a founding member of the International Lazy Men’s Association
    At long last, a club I would be pleased to join.
    Charles, I have no doubt that you only intend the best of all possible worlds. I’m just not seeing how your concept works in real life.

  121. Sloth: mankind’s most underrated virtue. It is, in fact, responsible for all human progress. (Especially technological progress.)
    Who invented the wheel? Some guy who was too lazy to carry stuff on his back. Who invented agriculture? Some guy (actually, gal more likely) who got tired of traipsing around the countryside looking for vegetables. The list goes on.

  122. Sloth: mankind’s most underrated virtue. It is, in fact, responsible for all human progress. (Especially technological progress.)
    Who invented the wheel? Some guy who was too lazy to carry stuff on his back. Who invented agriculture? Some guy (actually, gal more likely) who got tired of traipsing around the countryside looking for vegetables. The list goes on.

  123. There’s speculation that agriculture developed due to the need for a consistent supply of grain to make beer.

  124. There’s speculation that agriculture developed due to the need for a consistent supply of grain to make beer.

  125. Sounds like some of you might be interested in The Idler, I’m on the phone but I think it’s idler.co.uk

  126. Sounds like some of you might be interested in The Idler, I’m on the phone but I think it’s idler.co.uk

  127. And now we see the evil hand of the Patriarchy!!!
    Absolutely! If women were allowed to be lazy, who would take care of the lazy men????

  128. And now we see the evil hand of the Patriarchy!!!
    Absolutely! If women were allowed to be lazy, who would take care of the lazy men????

  129. It’s misleading even so, because the link says there’s one divided legislature (info as of 12/10/18). But the chart at the link says 18 legislatures are controlled by Democrats, and there are 18 blue states on that map.

  130. It’s misleading even so, because the link says there’s one divided legislature (info as of 12/10/18). But the chart at the link says 18 legislatures are controlled by Democrats, and there are 18 blue states on that map.

  131. But it can’t be right, because it’s the wrong states.
    Still, such a map would be about that lopsided. Maybe it’s from a few years ago.
    Anyhow, fudging shit is perfectly acceptable when your punch line is going to be to sneer at people to check their privilege.

  132. But it can’t be right, because it’s the wrong states.
    Still, such a map would be about that lopsided. Maybe it’s from a few years ago.
    Anyhow, fudging shit is perfectly acceptable when your punch line is going to be to sneer at people to check their privilege.

  133. maybe rural red-state folks should examine the privilege their over-representation gets them, and see if they can find a way to make life better for people other than themselves.

  134. maybe rural red-state folks should examine the privilege their over-representation gets them, and see if they can find a way to make life better for people other than themselves.

  135. I’m trying to figure out what measure generated the red/blue map at the top of Nigel’s article.
    Perhaps it’s just someone trying to apply the new political paradigm to the Democrats: ignore reality and post whatever will support the point you are trying to make.

  136. I’m trying to figure out what measure generated the red/blue map at the top of Nigel’s article.
    Perhaps it’s just someone trying to apply the new political paradigm to the Democrats: ignore reality and post whatever will support the point you are trying to make.

  137. Red/blue maps aside, I would welcome any effort to constrain modern de facto monopolies.
    And, I think it would help with the issues Glastris calls out.

  138. Red/blue maps aside, I would welcome any effort to constrain modern de facto monopolies.
    And, I think it would help with the issues Glastris calls out.

  139. map at the top of Nigel’s article…
    Well, it’s not exactly my article – and I have to confess I barely glanced at the map itself.
    I thought the proposal an interesting idea which could conceivably result in a sellable policy.

  140. map at the top of Nigel’s article…
    Well, it’s not exactly my article – and I have to confess I barely glanced at the map itself.
    I thought the proposal an interesting idea which could conceivably result in a sellable policy.

  141. Just a note:
    “25 Days and Counting” has now become 30.
    With no evidence of an end. Frankly, I don’t think we’ll see an end until the airports start seeing lots fewer flights due to unpaid Federal workers not showing up. Big donors unable to travel? That will get politicians’ attention!

  142. Just a note:
    “25 Days and Counting” has now become 30.
    With no evidence of an end. Frankly, I don’t think we’ll see an end until the airports start seeing lots fewer flights due to unpaid Federal workers not showing up. Big donors unable to travel? That will get politicians’ attention!

  143. Quoted on BJ:

    On the prospects of a wall-free funding bill, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) put it this way: “The president won’t sign it. Why would we work on it?”

    “I’m ready to vote for anything that the president agrees to sign,” added Sen. John Barrasso (Wyo.), the third-ranking Senate Republican. “And once we get that, I’m a ‘yes’ vote.”

    They’d rather admit that they’ve given up their power as a co-equal branch of government that can override vetoes, than that crippling or even destroying the federal government is a bug not a feature, with gravy if they can frame it as the fault of the Ds.
    Maybe their big donors can get to them, but I’m not optimistic.

  144. Quoted on BJ:

    On the prospects of a wall-free funding bill, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) put it this way: “The president won’t sign it. Why would we work on it?”

    “I’m ready to vote for anything that the president agrees to sign,” added Sen. John Barrasso (Wyo.), the third-ranking Senate Republican. “And once we get that, I’m a ‘yes’ vote.”

    They’d rather admit that they’ve given up their power as a co-equal branch of government that can override vetoes, than that crippling or even destroying the federal government is a bug not a feature, with gravy if they can frame it as the fault of the Ds.
    Maybe their big donors can get to them, but I’m not optimistic.

  145. Maybe their big donors can get to them, but I’m not optimistic.
    Although I expected it to happen at the end of last week, I still think that enough Republican Senators will fold as the wheels start coming off things back in their states. When the Republican governors and state legislative leaders there get loud enough, the Senators will remember that they are unlikely to win reelection if those state-level members of their party oppose them.

  146. Maybe their big donors can get to them, but I’m not optimistic.
    Although I expected it to happen at the end of last week, I still think that enough Republican Senators will fold as the wheels start coming off things back in their states. When the Republican governors and state legislative leaders there get loud enough, the Senators will remember that they are unlikely to win reelection if those state-level members of their party oppose them.

  147. They’d rather admit that they’ve given up their power as a co-equal branch of government…
    Congress gave up its position as first among equals a long time ago.

  148. They’d rather admit that they’ve given up their power as a co-equal branch of government…
    Congress gave up its position as first among equals a long time ago.

  149. And now the so-called president has subordinated himself to Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.
    Between Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell, it should be clear which one is abjectly subservient to Dear Leader. But be careful, Nancy: if you don’t give He, Trump his lollipop, the Unholy Trinity will NOT applaud you for acting like a “co-equal” anything.
    –TP

  150. And now the so-called president has subordinated himself to Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.
    Between Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell, it should be clear which one is abjectly subservient to Dear Leader. But be careful, Nancy: if you don’t give He, Trump his lollipop, the Unholy Trinity will NOT applaud you for acting like a “co-equal” anything.
    –TP

  151. I’m trying to figure out what measure generated the red/blue map at the top of Nigel’s article. None that I can think of generate a map quite that lopsided.
    Results of 2016 Presidential election.

  152. I’m trying to figure out what measure generated the red/blue map at the top of Nigel’s article. None that I can think of generate a map quite that lopsided.
    Results of 2016 Presidential election.

  153. Results of 2016 Presidential election.
    Which means that we have to take into account Putin’s preferences.
    That said, sure, I’m against monopolies too. I’m a Washington Monthly reader, and think that his argument makes sense for many reasons.

  154. Results of 2016 Presidential election.
    Which means that we have to take into account Putin’s preferences.
    That said, sure, I’m against monopolies too. I’m a Washington Monthly reader, and think that his argument makes sense for many reasons.

  155. Results of 2016 Presidential election.
    Then they got Nevada wrong, and blurred over the electoral college details (split delegations).

  156. Results of 2016 Presidential election.
    Then they got Nevada wrong, and blurred over the electoral college details (split delegations).

  157. My aged mother still lives in her own house. It is an old house. It still has a fusebox, for instance. It is possibly the only house in the Greater Boston area without internet. Naturally, it has the constant stream of minor problems you would expect of such a house.
    My aged mother (rightly) counts on me to fix these little problems, but she has a rule: “Fix it, but don’t change anything.” This is somewhat understandable: having lived in that house over 50 years she has established fixed routines for herself; as her memory gets dodgier, she clings even more steadfastly to those routines. New or different things (electronic ones especially) make her uncomfortable.
    So, “Fix it, but don’t change anything.”
    Reminds me of the “white working class” in the “heartland” as portrayed by many pundits and politicians.
    The Government faces the same difficulty with respect to people who cling to their “way of life” that dutiful sons face with respect to aged mothers. Democrats believe in the power of The Government to fix things. But can The Government really help people who want The Government to stay the hell out of their lives? Can people who demand that their “way of life” be preserved also demand “change” or “progress” or “improvement”?
    Well, yes: people can demand anything they like. But pundits and politicians who pretend to know how to make such people happy are welcome to advise me on how to “Fix it, but don’t change anything” for my aged mother.
    –TP

  158. My aged mother still lives in her own house. It is an old house. It still has a fusebox, for instance. It is possibly the only house in the Greater Boston area without internet. Naturally, it has the constant stream of minor problems you would expect of such a house.
    My aged mother (rightly) counts on me to fix these little problems, but she has a rule: “Fix it, but don’t change anything.” This is somewhat understandable: having lived in that house over 50 years she has established fixed routines for herself; as her memory gets dodgier, she clings even more steadfastly to those routines. New or different things (electronic ones especially) make her uncomfortable.
    So, “Fix it, but don’t change anything.”
    Reminds me of the “white working class” in the “heartland” as portrayed by many pundits and politicians.
    The Government faces the same difficulty with respect to people who cling to their “way of life” that dutiful sons face with respect to aged mothers. Democrats believe in the power of The Government to fix things. But can The Government really help people who want The Government to stay the hell out of their lives? Can people who demand that their “way of life” be preserved also demand “change” or “progress” or “improvement”?
    Well, yes: people can demand anything they like. But pundits and politicians who pretend to know how to make such people happy are welcome to advise me on how to “Fix it, but don’t change anything” for my aged mother.
    –TP

  159. Fix it, but don’t change anything.
    Coincidentally, the anguished cry of many non-IT people (certainly me) any time somebody tech-savvy goes anywhere near their computers…

  160. Fix it, but don’t change anything.
    Coincidentally, the anguished cry of many non-IT people (certainly me) any time somebody tech-savvy goes anywhere near their computers…

  161. What’s the legal position? How long must workers go unpaid before they’re entitled not to turn up for work without risk of being fired for it?

  162. What’s the legal position? How long must workers go unpaid before they’re entitled not to turn up for work without risk of being fired for it?

  163. Coincidentally, the anguished cry of many non-IT people (certainly me) any time somebody tech-savvy goes anywhere near their computers…
    The other day my wife was remarking on the piece of my Mac display that looks like it’s stuck in a time warp. One corner is given over to a stack of command-prompt windows. Anyone from ~1980 Bell Labs or the Berkeley CS department would sit down in front of those, type a bit, and like the little girl in Jurassic Park, exclaim, “I know this. This is Unix!” One of the windows is running a program I wrote 30+ years ago called scraps that give me the equivalent of all the scraps of paper you scribble the odd notes on (and then promptly lose). Another one is logged into the Raspberry Pi that runs my “bedside appliance” and is where I do the code development for that device.

  164. Coincidentally, the anguished cry of many non-IT people (certainly me) any time somebody tech-savvy goes anywhere near their computers…
    The other day my wife was remarking on the piece of my Mac display that looks like it’s stuck in a time warp. One corner is given over to a stack of command-prompt windows. Anyone from ~1980 Bell Labs or the Berkeley CS department would sit down in front of those, type a bit, and like the little girl in Jurassic Park, exclaim, “I know this. This is Unix!” One of the windows is running a program I wrote 30+ years ago called scraps that give me the equivalent of all the scraps of paper you scribble the odd notes on (and then promptly lose). Another one is logged into the Raspberry Pi that runs my “bedside appliance” and is where I do the code development for that device.

  165. “How long must workers go unpaid before they’re entitled not to turn up for work without risk of being fired for it?”
    Workers have been showing up for jobs for which they are woefully underpaid for decades, not to mention the highly organized and purposeful conservative corporate movement’s well-entrenched program of reducing compensation for labor … cutting wages, cutting benefits, cutting retirement programs … AND on top of that reducing or attempting to eliminate the safety net protecting workers from the ravages of the aforementioned cuts, AND sharply restricting union activity and membership any chance they get.
    Not paying for labor, except for the select company of high-toned white collar labor remunerated via capital gains, is conservative republican boiler plate.
    What do we think Delay, Armey, and Abramoff, fully supported by the entire evil republican edifice, were doing in the slave protecterate of the Marianas back in the day, fostering a model for NOT paying anyone for their labor which could then be adopted by America at large.
    I find it amusing … since I can’t recommend my usual measures for well-deserved savage vengeance any longer, see the archives for those, amusement is my only recourse now … that folks, government employees continually, always, daily for decades, maligned by stinking conservatives, for laziness, overcompensation, which is to say any at all, and outright theft, are showing up to labor for nothing on behalf of the very anti-American conservative filth whose faces those government employees should be spitting in, and much worse.
    But, maybe we have a new model for American labor which can be adopted by the fucking private sector as well … everyone.
    No pay, but you had better show up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and kiss my ass and hand over those services and products gratis to me.
    Shop-lifting, the new American economic paradigm.
    And as any filthy republican will tell you, you are lucky to have a job. You’ll be happy to be unemployed, even for nothing.
    So-called Americans don’t like that arrangement?
    Good, fuck off and starve.
    Kiss Dagny Taggert’s stilletto heels.
    We live in a culture now in which thieves can legally co-opt my personal data and sell it for a profit.
    The possible solution is that maybe, maybe, I might be able to buy the personal data from those who stole it in the first place.
    Really, sounds like a typical shithead full of shit American con-job to me.
    Don’t tax me that first cent, don’t so much as regulate my jaywalking, don’t presume to govern me in any way shape and form, republicans/conservatives.
    And you can hand over whatever you are selling to me without compensation .. and like it.
    Including military-grade weaponry.
    Well, there I went again.

  166. “How long must workers go unpaid before they’re entitled not to turn up for work without risk of being fired for it?”
    Workers have been showing up for jobs for which they are woefully underpaid for decades, not to mention the highly organized and purposeful conservative corporate movement’s well-entrenched program of reducing compensation for labor … cutting wages, cutting benefits, cutting retirement programs … AND on top of that reducing or attempting to eliminate the safety net protecting workers from the ravages of the aforementioned cuts, AND sharply restricting union activity and membership any chance they get.
    Not paying for labor, except for the select company of high-toned white collar labor remunerated via capital gains, is conservative republican boiler plate.
    What do we think Delay, Armey, and Abramoff, fully supported by the entire evil republican edifice, were doing in the slave protecterate of the Marianas back in the day, fostering a model for NOT paying anyone for their labor which could then be adopted by America at large.
    I find it amusing … since I can’t recommend my usual measures for well-deserved savage vengeance any longer, see the archives for those, amusement is my only recourse now … that folks, government employees continually, always, daily for decades, maligned by stinking conservatives, for laziness, overcompensation, which is to say any at all, and outright theft, are showing up to labor for nothing on behalf of the very anti-American conservative filth whose faces those government employees should be spitting in, and much worse.
    But, maybe we have a new model for American labor which can be adopted by the fucking private sector as well … everyone.
    No pay, but you had better show up bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and kiss my ass and hand over those services and products gratis to me.
    Shop-lifting, the new American economic paradigm.
    And as any filthy republican will tell you, you are lucky to have a job. You’ll be happy to be unemployed, even for nothing.
    So-called Americans don’t like that arrangement?
    Good, fuck off and starve.
    Kiss Dagny Taggert’s stilletto heels.
    We live in a culture now in which thieves can legally co-opt my personal data and sell it for a profit.
    The possible solution is that maybe, maybe, I might be able to buy the personal data from those who stole it in the first place.
    Really, sounds like a typical shithead full of shit American con-job to me.
    Don’t tax me that first cent, don’t so much as regulate my jaywalking, don’t presume to govern me in any way shape and form, republicans/conservatives.
    And you can hand over whatever you are selling to me without compensation .. and like it.
    Including military-grade weaponry.
    Well, there I went again.

  167. Snarki: a masterpiece. The image of the Prince of Salina having (metaphorically) to chew and then swallow, grisly bit by bit, the toad as he painfully accommodates the new reality has stayed with me for decades.

  168. Snarki: a masterpiece. The image of the Prince of Salina having (metaphorically) to chew and then swallow, grisly bit by bit, the toad as he painfully accommodates the new reality has stayed with me for decades.

  169. Michael Cain: your 11.19 displays simultaneously qualities I can identify with (the urge to keep access to old and beloved capabilities) and those I can barely imagine (the ability to navigate and understand IT). Sometimes I feel like many of you people on ObWi are a next stage on from me of evolution of humanity; oh wait, I guess you are.

  170. Michael Cain: your 11.19 displays simultaneously qualities I can identify with (the urge to keep access to old and beloved capabilities) and those I can barely imagine (the ability to navigate and understand IT). Sometimes I feel like many of you people on ObWi are a next stage on from me of evolution of humanity; oh wait, I guess you are.

  171. What’s the legal position?
    govt workers can’t strike, by law.
    Is that relevant to an individual employee who declines to go to work while his employer is in fundamental breach of contract?
    Employment law may or may not give employees rights to collective withdrawal of labour which would otherwise be a tortious breach of contract. That’s my understanding of a right to strike.

  172. What’s the legal position?
    govt workers can’t strike, by law.
    Is that relevant to an individual employee who declines to go to work while his employer is in fundamental breach of contract?
    Employment law may or may not give employees rights to collective withdrawal of labour which would otherwise be a tortious breach of contract. That’s my understanding of a right to strike.

  173. The other day my wife was remarking on the piece of my Mac display that looks like it’s stuck in a time warp.
    Similarly, my wife came thru my office yesterday and asked, “What are you going to do when that old thing dies?” That old thing being an HP Pavilion which runs something like Windows ME . . . or even Win 95! Mostly what it’s used for is playing a game (Age of Empires) that my late mother-in-law gave me decades ago. Which may well not be compatible with newer OSs — although perhaps it’s less ancient than the computer it’s on. (Obvious answer, wince and go buy a more recent version. Since I have no interest in a Collectors Edition, it’s not that bad.)
    Of course, there’s one other thing on there. Since it’s never been connected to the Internet, it’s got the spreadsheet with all my accounts and passwords on it. Hard to replace that!

  174. The other day my wife was remarking on the piece of my Mac display that looks like it’s stuck in a time warp.
    Similarly, my wife came thru my office yesterday and asked, “What are you going to do when that old thing dies?” That old thing being an HP Pavilion which runs something like Windows ME . . . or even Win 95! Mostly what it’s used for is playing a game (Age of Empires) that my late mother-in-law gave me decades ago. Which may well not be compatible with newer OSs — although perhaps it’s less ancient than the computer it’s on. (Obvious answer, wince and go buy a more recent version. Since I have no interest in a Collectors Edition, it’s not that bad.)
    Of course, there’s one other thing on there. Since it’s never been connected to the Internet, it’s got the spreadsheet with all my accounts and passwords on it. Hard to replace that!

  175. Is that relevant to an individual employee who declines to go to work while his employer is in fundamental breach of contract?
    In the case of (Federal) government workers in “critical” jobs, yes it is explicitly legal to require them to show up regardless. Even with no guarantee (although it regularly is done) of make-up pay once the politicians get their act together. Whether is is Constitutional as well is something the courts get to sort out. And this shutdown sees several cases on just that point.
    The other fun detail is that, to reduce the political pain, Trump has proclaimed several types of workers (e.g. IRS workers who process refunds) “critical”, even though they don’t meet the “protection of life or property” criteria specified in the law. Lawsuits on that coming as well….

  176. Is that relevant to an individual employee who declines to go to work while his employer is in fundamental breach of contract?
    In the case of (Federal) government workers in “critical” jobs, yes it is explicitly legal to require them to show up regardless. Even with no guarantee (although it regularly is done) of make-up pay once the politicians get their act together. Whether is is Constitutional as well is something the courts get to sort out. And this shutdown sees several cases on just that point.
    The other fun detail is that, to reduce the political pain, Trump has proclaimed several types of workers (e.g. IRS workers who process refunds) “critical”, even though they don’t meet the “protection of life or property” criteria specified in the law. Lawsuits on that coming as well….

  177. I am disappointed that the NIS contains the word “climate” exactly once, in the executive summary. IIRC, the Pentagon’s recent Joint Operating Environment documents include a whole raft of climate-related things that they think they will have to deal with.
    My son’s girlfriend works on/with climate models at one of the national labs. Her current funding is straight from DOD. And while the official language in the grant talks about improved weather forecasting, it is an open secret that what DOD is really concerned about is climate change, but they can’t fund that, but the weather models and climate models share enormous amounts of code, validation procedures, etc, so…

  178. I am disappointed that the NIS contains the word “climate” exactly once, in the executive summary. IIRC, the Pentagon’s recent Joint Operating Environment documents include a whole raft of climate-related things that they think they will have to deal with.
    My son’s girlfriend works on/with climate models at one of the national labs. Her current funding is straight from DOD. And while the official language in the grant talks about improved weather forecasting, it is an open secret that what DOD is really concerned about is climate change, but they can’t fund that, but the weather models and climate models share enormous amounts of code, validation procedures, etc, so…

  179. what DOD is really concerned about is climate change, but they can’t fund that
    The military has to operate in the real world. (Getting shot at will concentrate the mind in that regard.) So when the politicians insist on ideologically-based stupidities, they find ways to get the job done anyway.

  180. what DOD is really concerned about is climate change, but they can’t fund that
    The military has to operate in the real world. (Getting shot at will concentrate the mind in that regard.) So when the politicians insist on ideologically-based stupidities, they find ways to get the job done anyway.

  181. The only words the executive summary of a survey of America’s national “intelligence” should contain are “fucking stupid”.

  182. The only words the executive summary of a survey of America’s national “intelligence” should contain are “fucking stupid”.

  183. I not entirely sold on the idea of Harris as the nominee, but I’d quite like to see her debate Trump…
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/24/kamala-harris-2020-history-224126
    As Stearns tells it, Harris rose from her seat at the front of the sanctuary and stepped behind Terence Hallinan, the incumbent who billed himself as “America’s most progressive district attorney.” She told the audience, “You know Terence Hallinan has attacked Bill Fazio for being caught in a massage parlor,” a reference to a 1998 raid. Fazio, a former prosecutor who had run two close races against Hallinan and was now taking a third shot at the office, maintained he was there to conduct interviews for a legal case he was working on. He was never charged with any crime.
    Then, Harris walked behind Fazio, Stearns said, and recounted the times her opponent had criticized Hallinan “for people having sex in his office,” referring to an incident in which two of Hallinan’s prosecutors were found in flagrante delicto inside the building.
    “And then she walked back to the middle and said, ‘I want to make a commitment to you that my campaign is not going to be about negative attacks,’” said Stearns, who is still a Democratic strategist in the city. “’I believe we need to talk about the issues and the policies and the way we’re going to move our criminal justice system forward.”
    The response was immediate. “People just jumped on their feet and gave her a standing ovation,” Stearns said. “And I was at the back of the church, and the look on the face of Terence Hallinan and Bill Fazio was, ‘Oh, shit.’’”

  184. I not entirely sold on the idea of Harris as the nominee, but I’d quite like to see her debate Trump…
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/24/kamala-harris-2020-history-224126
    As Stearns tells it, Harris rose from her seat at the front of the sanctuary and stepped behind Terence Hallinan, the incumbent who billed himself as “America’s most progressive district attorney.” She told the audience, “You know Terence Hallinan has attacked Bill Fazio for being caught in a massage parlor,” a reference to a 1998 raid. Fazio, a former prosecutor who had run two close races against Hallinan and was now taking a third shot at the office, maintained he was there to conduct interviews for a legal case he was working on. He was never charged with any crime.
    Then, Harris walked behind Fazio, Stearns said, and recounted the times her opponent had criticized Hallinan “for people having sex in his office,” referring to an incident in which two of Hallinan’s prosecutors were found in flagrante delicto inside the building.
    “And then she walked back to the middle and said, ‘I want to make a commitment to you that my campaign is not going to be about negative attacks,’” said Stearns, who is still a Democratic strategist in the city. “’I believe we need to talk about the issues and the policies and the way we’re going to move our criminal justice system forward.”
    The response was immediate. “People just jumped on their feet and gave her a standing ovation,” Stearns said. “And I was at the back of the church, and the look on the face of Terence Hallinan and Bill Fazio was, ‘Oh, shit.’’”

  185. FBI agents are complaining that they’re not getting the money needed to pay confidential informants, make drug buys, and to pay overtime to state and local cops working with them on drug and prostitution stings.
    So, the shutdown isn’t all bad.
    Voices From The Field: FBI Agent Accounts of the Real Consequences of the Government Shutdown (pdf)

  186. FBI agents are complaining that they’re not getting the money needed to pay confidential informants, make drug buys, and to pay overtime to state and local cops working with them on drug and prostitution stings.
    So, the shutdown isn’t all bad.
    Voices From The Field: FBI Agent Accounts of the Real Consequences of the Government Shutdown (pdf)

  187. But who else would introduce a new (to me anyway) word into our national political repertoire?
    To you and me, and I would guess others. This despite the first known usage occurring half a millennium ago. Hoocoodanode?

  188. But who else would introduce a new (to me anyway) word into our national political repertoire?
    To you and me, and I would guess others. This despite the first known usage occurring half a millennium ago. Hoocoodanode?

  189. I’ve seen that word before, but don’t know what it means.
    “the first known usage occurring half a millennium ago”
    And that was probably a typo.

  190. I’ve seen that word before, but don’t know what it means.
    “the first known usage occurring half a millennium ago”
    And that was probably a typo.

  191. This despite the first known usage occurring half a millennium ago
    You are clearly not an avid reader of Dickens.
    It is precisely the kind of periphrastic circumlocution he revels in.

  192. This despite the first known usage occurring half a millennium ago
    You are clearly not an avid reader of Dickens.
    It is precisely the kind of periphrastic circumlocution he revels in.

  193. A Tale of Two Cities.
    As with William F. Buckley, I read and listened to George Will in the far past partly to improve my vocabulary, even if their preposterous conservative pronouncements were delivered by the both of them with insufferable down the nose podsnappery.
    They may have been mutual friends.
    He’s a baseball fan, most notably of the Chicago Cubs, a fandom from which he has never tergiversated.
    Will’s tactical mistake via a vis what the awful, sadistic, worldwide conservative movement, which will be wiped off the face of the Earth, has become, not that I held any of it in high esteem in its 60-year runway to its apotheosis in the p filth, was to step on to the ledge outside the Overton Window for a breath of air, only to find it moved far to the right and locked to his re-entrance by the likes of the lock and load, elitist-hating, types over at the American Conservative and elsewhere.
    He looked down from his precarious perch and saw only the bloodthirsty right wing Madame Defarge’s below cackling for him to stand athwart history and jump without a net.
    So he did, thinking there might be more tax reductions in it for him.
    Splat!
    But … Cubs won, Cubs won!

  194. A Tale of Two Cities.
    As with William F. Buckley, I read and listened to George Will in the far past partly to improve my vocabulary, even if their preposterous conservative pronouncements were delivered by the both of them with insufferable down the nose podsnappery.
    They may have been mutual friends.
    He’s a baseball fan, most notably of the Chicago Cubs, a fandom from which he has never tergiversated.
    Will’s tactical mistake via a vis what the awful, sadistic, worldwide conservative movement, which will be wiped off the face of the Earth, has become, not that I held any of it in high esteem in its 60-year runway to its apotheosis in the p filth, was to step on to the ledge outside the Overton Window for a breath of air, only to find it moved far to the right and locked to his re-entrance by the likes of the lock and load, elitist-hating, types over at the American Conservative and elsewhere.
    He looked down from his precarious perch and saw only the bloodthirsty right wing Madame Defarge’s below cackling for him to stand athwart history and jump without a net.
    So he did, thinking there might be more tax reductions in it for him.
    Splat!
    But … Cubs won, Cubs won!

  195. Rump’s wall “plan,” AFAICT, is the equivalent of a restaurant menu including only the text “MEAL – $50.” It’s like a business plan, associated with an application for a $250k bank loan, that simply reads “We’re going to sell stuff.”
    What environmental impact studies have been done? What’s the plan for land acquisition? What criteria will be used to determine what type of barrier (since that changes all time), if any, should be used where? What border-security experts has the administration consulted with?
    Have they produced anything? Is this administration capable of producing anything of substance?
    Part of me would like to see what would actually happen if Rump got his $5.7B of border-wall funding. What the hell would they even do with it? How screwed up would that effort turn out to be? How much bad press would they get over what I have to assume would be a chaotic failure in planning and execution?

  196. Rump’s wall “plan,” AFAICT, is the equivalent of a restaurant menu including only the text “MEAL – $50.” It’s like a business plan, associated with an application for a $250k bank loan, that simply reads “We’re going to sell stuff.”
    What environmental impact studies have been done? What’s the plan for land acquisition? What criteria will be used to determine what type of barrier (since that changes all time), if any, should be used where? What border-security experts has the administration consulted with?
    Have they produced anything? Is this administration capable of producing anything of substance?
    Part of me would like to see what would actually happen if Rump got his $5.7B of border-wall funding. What the hell would they even do with it? How screwed up would that effort turn out to be? How much bad press would they get over what I have to assume would be a chaotic failure in planning and execution?

  197. What environmental impact studies have been done? What’s the plan for land acquisition?
    For the first, DHS asserts that the statute that allows them to waive all regulatory requirements for security-related construction — and yes, such a law was part of the creation of DHS — applies to a 2,000-mile-long wall that will break up endangered species habitat, worsen flooding, and probably violate multiple interstate and international water compacts. While it’s fairly clear that Congress didn’t mean construction on the scale of the wall, poor drafting gives DHS an arguable case.
    For the second, eminent domain. The process has started in parts of Texas, where most of the private land they need to acquire is located.

  198. What environmental impact studies have been done? What’s the plan for land acquisition?
    For the first, DHS asserts that the statute that allows them to waive all regulatory requirements for security-related construction — and yes, such a law was part of the creation of DHS — applies to a 2,000-mile-long wall that will break up endangered species habitat, worsen flooding, and probably violate multiple interstate and international water compacts. While it’s fairly clear that Congress didn’t mean construction on the scale of the wall, poor drafting gives DHS an arguable case.
    For the second, eminent domain. The process has started in parts of Texas, where most of the private land they need to acquire is located.

  199. Part of me would like to see what would actually happen if Rump got his $5.7B of border-wall funding. What the hell would they even do with it?
    Surprisingly, there are actual details.
    They have identified 200-some miles of border, mostly near high-traffic areas, all already with some form of barrier (fencing, vehicle barriers, etc) that would get something heavier and taller. The steel slat sketches that have been shown recently are close enough to other things that have been used that the estimates are probably pretty accurate.

  200. Part of me would like to see what would actually happen if Rump got his $5.7B of border-wall funding. What the hell would they even do with it?
    Surprisingly, there are actual details.
    They have identified 200-some miles of border, mostly near high-traffic areas, all already with some form of barrier (fencing, vehicle barriers, etc) that would get something heavier and taller. The steel slat sketches that have been shown recently are close enough to other things that have been used that the estimates are probably pretty accurate.

  201. Regarding
    While it’s fairly clear that Congress didn’t mean construction on the scale of the wall, poor drafting gives DHS an arguable case.
    and
    For the second, eminent domain. The process has started in parts of Texas, where most of the private land they need to acquire is located.
    I’m not referring to their legal authority so much as whether what they want to do is, to be very general about it, *a good idea.* That should count for something, one would think.
    They have identified 200-some miles of border, mostly near high-traffic areas, all already with some form of barrier (fencing, vehicle barriers, etc) that would get something heavier and taller. The steel slat sketches that have been shown recently are close enough to other things that have been used that the estimates are probably pretty accurate.
    On this, I stand corrected. Thanks.

  202. Regarding
    While it’s fairly clear that Congress didn’t mean construction on the scale of the wall, poor drafting gives DHS an arguable case.
    and
    For the second, eminent domain. The process has started in parts of Texas, where most of the private land they need to acquire is located.
    I’m not referring to their legal authority so much as whether what they want to do is, to be very general about it, *a good idea.* That should count for something, one would think.
    They have identified 200-some miles of border, mostly near high-traffic areas, all already with some form of barrier (fencing, vehicle barriers, etc) that would get something heavier and taller. The steel slat sketches that have been shown recently are close enough to other things that have been used that the estimates are probably pretty accurate.
    On this, I stand corrected. Thanks.

  203. How much will it cost to hire the Mexican military to blow up and tear down the wall?
    I have much more of how precisely to take out the garbage n America but let’s just call it ranty rant rant and more rant and you can use your imaginations.
    I volunteer my stolen labor, out of fealty to p, to shove beautiful steel slats up Larry Kudlow’s (open borders and free trade absolutist not to long ago) and Wilbur Ross’s respective asses.
    Any of the remaining conservatives lurking here want to let p rent your asses gratis for him to talk out of, because his chatty megaphone butthole is now fully engaged and he needs all the dupe help he can get.
    The State of the Union?
    Dissolved and liquidated.

  204. How much will it cost to hire the Mexican military to blow up and tear down the wall?
    I have much more of how precisely to take out the garbage n America but let’s just call it ranty rant rant and more rant and you can use your imaginations.
    I volunteer my stolen labor, out of fealty to p, to shove beautiful steel slats up Larry Kudlow’s (open borders and free trade absolutist not to long ago) and Wilbur Ross’s respective asses.
    Any of the remaining conservatives lurking here want to let p rent your asses gratis for him to talk out of, because his chatty megaphone butthole is now fully engaged and he needs all the dupe help he can get.
    The State of the Union?
    Dissolved and liquidated.

  205. Part of me would like to see what would actually happen if Rump got his $5.7B of border-wall funding. What the hell would they even do with it? How screwed up would that effort turn out to be?
    Well, we can get an idea from this: he’s barely spent 6% of the billion or so he got last year for “border security”. So probably, if he got the $5 billion in the budget that he’s demanding, he would spend a couple million on the wall. And a comparable amount (admittedly from a different budget) on rallies where he could get cheered for his “win”. Because the win is, after all, what matters.

  206. Part of me would like to see what would actually happen if Rump got his $5.7B of border-wall funding. What the hell would they even do with it? How screwed up would that effort turn out to be?
    Well, we can get an idea from this: he’s barely spent 6% of the billion or so he got last year for “border security”. So probably, if he got the $5 billion in the budget that he’s demanding, he would spend a couple million on the wall. And a comparable amount (admittedly from a different budget) on rallies where he could get cheered for his “win”. Because the win is, after all, what matters.

  207. They have identified 200-some miles of border, mostly near high-traffic areas, all already with some form of barrier (fencing, vehicle barriers, etc) that would get something heavier and taller.
    I say offer the replacement of 200 miles of existing fencing with steel slat and we all move on. If Trump wants to take a picture of himself in front of it to make his minions happy, fine with me.
    But not until the shutdown is over.
    In other news, Roger Stone has been arrested. There is joy in my own personal Mudville today.

  208. They have identified 200-some miles of border, mostly near high-traffic areas, all already with some form of barrier (fencing, vehicle barriers, etc) that would get something heavier and taller.
    I say offer the replacement of 200 miles of existing fencing with steel slat and we all move on. If Trump wants to take a picture of himself in front of it to make his minions happy, fine with me.
    But not until the shutdown is over.
    In other news, Roger Stone has been arrested. There is joy in my own personal Mudville today.

  209. It’s now Day 35. And, since it’s Friday, we have a new Mueller indictment. This one includes witness tampering. Not a leak about witness tampering, but an actual honest-to-God indictment for it.
    I note that the indictment also says that “a senior Trump campaign official” was directed to contact Stone regarding communications with WikiLeaks.
    Now who could have “directed” a senior campaign official? Well maybe Kushner or Trump, Jr. Then again, maybe the guy who insisted, repeatedly, that he was the only one making decisions on campaign strategy and tactics….

  210. It’s now Day 35. And, since it’s Friday, we have a new Mueller indictment. This one includes witness tampering. Not a leak about witness tampering, but an actual honest-to-God indictment for it.
    I note that the indictment also says that “a senior Trump campaign official” was directed to contact Stone regarding communications with WikiLeaks.
    Now who could have “directed” a senior campaign official? Well maybe Kushner or Trump, Jr. Then again, maybe the guy who insisted, repeatedly, that he was the only one making decisions on campaign strategy and tactics….

  211. I confess that I’m actually more concerned at the moment about the latest posturing over Venezuela. When things get dicey for them (and not just in the US), there is a tendency for those in charge to decide that what they need is to rally the populace with a “short, victorious war.” And things are definitely getting dicey for Trump.

  212. I confess that I’m actually more concerned at the moment about the latest posturing over Venezuela. When things get dicey for them (and not just in the US), there is a tendency for those in charge to decide that what they need is to rally the populace with a “short, victorious war.” And things are definitely getting dicey for Trump.

  213. I’m hoping Venezuela’s fascist government, which should be overthrown with savage violence by its own people, but not by American elite conservative fascists, takes the American diplomats still in country hostage (after all, this is what some of them signed up and volunteered for without pay, ain’t it, those fucking union members) and we embark on a gigantic new, expensive Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!! investigation to learn how p ordered their killings to divert attention from his own personal treason and execution.
    I also hope Putin ships nuclear weaponry to Venezuela and threatens to nuke all Americans wearing red hats visible from space in retaliation for any republican vermin intervention in that sovereign country.

  214. I’m hoping Venezuela’s fascist government, which should be overthrown with savage violence by its own people, but not by American elite conservative fascists, takes the American diplomats still in country hostage (after all, this is what some of them signed up and volunteered for without pay, ain’t it, those fucking union members) and we embark on a gigantic new, expensive Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!! investigation to learn how p ordered their killings to divert attention from his own personal treason and execution.
    I also hope Putin ships nuclear weaponry to Venezuela and threatens to nuke all Americans wearing red hats visible from space in retaliation for any republican vermin intervention in that sovereign country.

  215. I just listened to Rump’s statement on the deal to reopen the government temporarily. He’s so friggin’ weird. I can’t even describe it.

  216. I just listened to Rump’s statement on the deal to reopen the government temporarily. He’s so friggin’ weird. I can’t even describe it.

  217. His paean (piss on) to every patriotic (traitorous socialist), devoted (parasitic, tax-thieving, long lunch break-taking , hardworking (layabout good for nothings) federal (the tree of liberty, etc.) employee (overpaid, healthcare-guzzling elitist affirmative action sluts, fags, niggers, and jewboys) for supporting his shut down of the U.S. government and his lockout from their professional duties without pay, and for eagerly sucking his cock, and Sarah Sanders’ and Kellyanne Conway’s cocks, this past month is almost as satisfyingly, incoherently Stalinist (republican, conservative) as when the other day he and that smug, stuffed mannequin of a root vegetable, Mike Pence, spit on Martin Luther King’s grave with James Earle Ray standing next to them for two entirely white racist slave lynching cotton-picking minutes.

  218. His paean (piss on) to every patriotic (traitorous socialist), devoted (parasitic, tax-thieving, long lunch break-taking , hardworking (layabout good for nothings) federal (the tree of liberty, etc.) employee (overpaid, healthcare-guzzling elitist affirmative action sluts, fags, niggers, and jewboys) for supporting his shut down of the U.S. government and his lockout from their professional duties without pay, and for eagerly sucking his cock, and Sarah Sanders’ and Kellyanne Conway’s cocks, this past month is almost as satisfyingly, incoherently Stalinist (republican, conservative) as when the other day he and that smug, stuffed mannequin of a root vegetable, Mike Pence, spit on Martin Luther King’s grave with James Earle Ray standing next to them for two entirely white racist slave lynching cotton-picking minutes.

  219. It’s not just the bullsh*t he spews, which would be enough for several head-to-desk collisions even if one were only to read the transcript, but it’s his faux-emotional, self-satisfied, breathy delivery.
    But “squirrelly as f*ck” covers it pretty well, too.

  220. It’s not just the bullsh*t he spews, which would be enough for several head-to-desk collisions even if one were only to read the transcript, but it’s his faux-emotional, self-satisfied, breathy delivery.
    But “squirrelly as f*ck” covers it pretty well, too.

  221. It would have been more economaical if he had just said “Ok I am going to reopen the government and build the wall as a security emergancy. But I’m going to wait three weeks to declare it. Thanks.”

  222. It would have been more economaical if he had just said “Ok I am going to reopen the government and build the wall as a security emergancy. But I’m going to wait three weeks to declare it. Thanks.”

  223. economaical …
    Economical or egomaniacal, not sure what I was trying to type.

    Entirely understandable, but Ii liked it anyway.
    Rhymes with covfefe.

  224. economaical …
    Economical or egomaniacal, not sure what I was trying to type.

    Entirely understandable, but Ii liked it anyway.
    Rhymes with covfefe.

  225. Other “e” words that might apply:
    Ephemeromorphic
    Energunum
    Encephaloid
    Engastriomyth
    Ecardinate
    Erinaceous
    Endophagy
    Evirate
    Eyewash
    Exactor
    Self-Exenterate
    Exgorgitation
    Ebriection
    Emunctory
    Emptysis
    Embrangle
    Embracery
    Emarcid
    Eloge
    Elinguate
    Elumbated
    Entheomania
    Emonomancy
    Enoptromancy
    Enthymeme
    Enuresis
    Ephemeron
    Eozoic
    Entozoology

  226. Other “e” words that might apply:
    Ephemeromorphic
    Energunum
    Encephaloid
    Engastriomyth
    Ecardinate
    Erinaceous
    Endophagy
    Evirate
    Eyewash
    Exactor
    Self-Exenterate
    Exgorgitation
    Ebriection
    Emunctory
    Emptysis
    Embrangle
    Embracery
    Emarcid
    Eloge
    Elinguate
    Elumbated
    Entheomania
    Emonomancy
    Enoptromancy
    Enthymeme
    Enuresis
    Ephemeron
    Eozoic
    Entozoology

  227. In a replayed snippet I just heard, the president promised to make sure federal employees would receive their back pay, and I quote, “very quickly … or as soon as possible.”
    You know, one or the other. Whatever, right?
    What oratory.

  228. In a replayed snippet I just heard, the president promised to make sure federal employees would receive their back pay, and I quote, “very quickly … or as soon as possible.”
    You know, one or the other. Whatever, right?
    What oratory.

  229. My son’s girlfriend works at one of the national labs, and her group does work under agreements for a number of other government agencies. From prior shutdowns, I know they get paid for the time missed. I’ll have to remember to ask how the “pay for no work done” pain gets allocated across those other agencies. Or if there’s a magical “overhead slush fund” that Congress creates to cover it.

  230. My son’s girlfriend works at one of the national labs, and her group does work under agreements for a number of other government agencies. From prior shutdowns, I know they get paid for the time missed. I’ll have to remember to ask how the “pay for no work done” pain gets allocated across those other agencies. Or if there’s a magical “overhead slush fund” that Congress creates to cover it.

  231. All hail Nancy Pelosi. I’d love to have a word with the Seth Moulton contingent right about now. Give ’em hell, russell!

  232. All hail Nancy Pelosi. I’d love to have a word with the Seth Moulton contingent right about now. Give ’em hell, russell!

  233. Yes indeed, the Roger Stone indictment and the Trump climbdown in one 12 hour period – let’s enjoy the good news (bonus: Ann Coulter calls Trump a wimp!) while we can. I think the dip in Trump’s approval polling had a pretty significant effect on him…long may it continue!

  234. Yes indeed, the Roger Stone indictment and the Trump climbdown in one 12 hour period – let’s enjoy the good news (bonus: Ann Coulter calls Trump a wimp!) while we can. I think the dip in Trump’s approval polling had a pretty significant effect on him…long may it continue!

  235. I think it might be desirable, however, if he got a brief (temporary!) uptick. Just so it’s clear that him caving in did not, contra Coulter, Limbaugh, et al., cost him popularity.
    Because, after all, it would be good for the country if he wasn’t being scared by them into doing stuff even more stupid than he comes up with on his own.

  236. I think it might be desirable, however, if he got a brief (temporary!) uptick. Just so it’s clear that him caving in did not, contra Coulter, Limbaugh, et al., cost him popularity.
    Because, after all, it would be good for the country if he wasn’t being scared by them into doing stuff even more stupid than he comes up with on his own.

  237. “Because, after all, it would be good for the country if he wasn’t being scared by them into doing stuff even more stupid than he comes up with on his own.”
    We ain’t see nothing yet.
    He’s, and they are, just getting started.
    The depths of stupid, and malign, have barely been plumbed by the maliciously viral conservative movement.
    Michael Lewis, in “The Fifth Risk” surveys the malignancy, now momentarily, perhaps for a day, in remission, until tomorrow morning’s next tweet storm and the next dumpsters-full of dog shit the right wing wurlitzer flings against their synchronized propaganda fake news fans.
    Lewis speculates, I would say prophesizes, in a subsequent interview, that the next catastrophic con, the fifth risk, is the breaching of the debt ceiling, which p has been training all his misbegotten thieving, loutish, deadbeat life to reneg on and stop payment.
    He’s a liquidation agent, hired by conservative grocery clerks to assassinate the U.S. government and its financial credibility.
    He learned everything there is to know about the nuclear arsenal in 90 minutes, he lied. He learned only one thing, in the first minute … that there is no reason it can’t be used and there is no one who can prevent him from using it.
    The Presidency, because of the vacancy, the blind spot, our overrated Founders left in the Constitution is now a protective lair, a hiding place in plain site in which this dragon can find refuge from the Rule of Law and all prosecution.
    He has created a Supreme Court that will agree with him, citing the bullshit of original intention by our founding stepfathers of unintentionality.
    He is betting that the Office of the Presidency makes him foolproof against criminal prosecution, and he will seek to be President and use all of its unlimited, ill-defined powers until his natural or unnatural death to do just that.
    He’s stupid like Tony Soprano was insecure, like poisonous snakes are fanged and coiled. Stupid enough to know that the garbage business is a right-out-in-the-open great place to hide the money and the bodies.

  238. “Because, after all, it would be good for the country if he wasn’t being scared by them into doing stuff even more stupid than he comes up with on his own.”
    We ain’t see nothing yet.
    He’s, and they are, just getting started.
    The depths of stupid, and malign, have barely been plumbed by the maliciously viral conservative movement.
    Michael Lewis, in “The Fifth Risk” surveys the malignancy, now momentarily, perhaps for a day, in remission, until tomorrow morning’s next tweet storm and the next dumpsters-full of dog shit the right wing wurlitzer flings against their synchronized propaganda fake news fans.
    Lewis speculates, I would say prophesizes, in a subsequent interview, that the next catastrophic con, the fifth risk, is the breaching of the debt ceiling, which p has been training all his misbegotten thieving, loutish, deadbeat life to reneg on and stop payment.
    He’s a liquidation agent, hired by conservative grocery clerks to assassinate the U.S. government and its financial credibility.
    He learned everything there is to know about the nuclear arsenal in 90 minutes, he lied. He learned only one thing, in the first minute … that there is no reason it can’t be used and there is no one who can prevent him from using it.
    The Presidency, because of the vacancy, the blind spot, our overrated Founders left in the Constitution is now a protective lair, a hiding place in plain site in which this dragon can find refuge from the Rule of Law and all prosecution.
    He has created a Supreme Court that will agree with him, citing the bullshit of original intention by our founding stepfathers of unintentionality.
    He is betting that the Office of the Presidency makes him foolproof against criminal prosecution, and he will seek to be President and use all of its unlimited, ill-defined powers until his natural or unnatural death to do just that.
    He’s stupid like Tony Soprano was insecure, like poisonous snakes are fanged and coiled. Stupid enough to know that the garbage business is a right-out-in-the-open great place to hide the money and the bodies.

  239. It would be desirable for the deranged and hateful bile of Coulter, Limbaugh, et al to not have an audience.
    It would be desirable for the POTUS to not be susceptible to being goaded into rash and harmful actions by the abusive rantings of belligerent loudmouths.
    It would be desirable for the POTUS to not have to be handled like a petulant child.
    Those are the things I would find desirable.

  240. It would be desirable for the deranged and hateful bile of Coulter, Limbaugh, et al to not have an audience.
    It would be desirable for the POTUS to not be susceptible to being goaded into rash and harmful actions by the abusive rantings of belligerent loudmouths.
    It would be desirable for the POTUS to not have to be handled like a petulant child.
    Those are the things I would find desirable.

  241. It would be desirable for the POTUS to not have to be handled like a petulant child.
    Easily done. Simply don’t elect a petulant child.
    Of course, that would require an electorate made up with fewer petulant children. Unfortunately, it ain’t there, and they elected one of their own.

  242. It would be desirable for the POTUS to not have to be handled like a petulant child.
    Easily done. Simply don’t elect a petulant child.
    Of course, that would require an electorate made up with fewer petulant children. Unfortunately, it ain’t there, and they elected one of their own.

  243. Vast caravans, I say caravans, of rotten-toothed, bad-breathed, priced out of the dental market, with no gummint dental safety net Americans, pushing baby carriages full of terrorist non-flossing, sugar-addicted children with typically bad American underbites, overbites, and gingivitis are invading Mexico.
    Doesn’t Mexico have an ICE equivalent raiding dentist offices and yanking drooling parasite puti, pulling the drool sucker mid-extraction out of their mouths and unsmocking them, out of the chairs and putting them in cages for quick deportation?
    Will the Wall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvCSyNUGIMk), what wall? did I say wall? have little drive-up trapdoors in it so Americanos can pass their dentures back and forth for repair?
    https://truthout.org/articles/millions-of-americans-flood-into-mexico-for-health-care/

  244. Vast caravans, I say caravans, of rotten-toothed, bad-breathed, priced out of the dental market, with no gummint dental safety net Americans, pushing baby carriages full of terrorist non-flossing, sugar-addicted children with typically bad American underbites, overbites, and gingivitis are invading Mexico.
    Doesn’t Mexico have an ICE equivalent raiding dentist offices and yanking drooling parasite puti, pulling the drool sucker mid-extraction out of their mouths and unsmocking them, out of the chairs and putting them in cages for quick deportation?
    Will the Wall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvCSyNUGIMk), what wall? did I say wall? have little drive-up trapdoors in it so Americanos can pass their dentures back and forth for repair?
    https://truthout.org/articles/millions-of-americans-flood-into-mexico-for-health-care/

  245. Less than 24 hours after Laguardia airport starts to shut down, leading into Superbowl weekend, and the Federal shutdown is OVER.
    Pay attention. It tells you who *really* needs to be a hostage to get stuff done, and it’s not your average Federal employee or SNAP peon.

  246. Less than 24 hours after Laguardia airport starts to shut down, leading into Superbowl weekend, and the Federal shutdown is OVER.
    Pay attention. It tells you who *really* needs to be a hostage to get stuff done, and it’s not your average Federal employee or SNAP peon.

  247. So, now that the dust is settling, what actually came out of this fiasco (not that I’m being judgemental)? And what do we expect the impact to be going forward? Both short term (i.e. when Feb 15 rolls around with no wall), the medium term (i.e. through the rest of this year), and the long term (i.e. come 2020 and elections)?
    I’d say that they will be about what you would expect when a paper tiger is shown up for what it is. The only uncertainty is in whether the Republicans in the Senate have managed to notice.

  248. So, now that the dust is settling, what actually came out of this fiasco (not that I’m being judgemental)? And what do we expect the impact to be going forward? Both short term (i.e. when Feb 15 rolls around with no wall), the medium term (i.e. through the rest of this year), and the long term (i.e. come 2020 and elections)?
    I’d say that they will be about what you would expect when a paper tiger is shown up for what it is. The only uncertainty is in whether the Republicans in the Senate have managed to notice.

  249. No dust has settled.
    It wasn’t dust in the first place. It’s the colossal cloud of horseshit visible from space kicked up by the lying, anti-American, traitorous Republican Party over the past 40 years and counting.
    All of it, everyone of these dogs right down to the janitor at the RNC.
    See here:
    https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2019/01/there-is-no-limit-to-bad-faith-of-house.html
    Same shit as Wisconsin, South Carolina, and every other state invested by these vermin.
    Is we can’t have governance, we WILL have savage violence.

  250. No dust has settled.
    It wasn’t dust in the first place. It’s the colossal cloud of horseshit visible from space kicked up by the lying, anti-American, traitorous Republican Party over the past 40 years and counting.
    All of it, everyone of these dogs right down to the janitor at the RNC.
    See here:
    https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2019/01/there-is-no-limit-to-bad-faith-of-house.html
    Same shit as Wisconsin, South Carolina, and every other state invested by these vermin.
    Is we can’t have governance, we WILL have savage violence.

  251. Only a city boy would think there’s a difference between a cloud of dust and a cloud of horseshit. What do you think dirt (dust) is made of?

  252. Only a city boy would think there’s a difference between a cloud of dust and a cloud of horseshit. What do you think dirt (dust) is made of?

  253. Metaphor, my dear Whopper.
    I’ve mucked out my share of dairy barns, and I’m full of it as well, so I’m conversant with the nature of ordure.
    But, yes, air quality is suffering.

  254. Metaphor, my dear Whopper.
    I’ve mucked out my share of dairy barns, and I’m full of it as well, so I’m conversant with the nature of ordure.
    But, yes, air quality is suffering.

  255. When you’re a con man, your MO requires a steady stream of new folks to con. Folks who have never heard about you, beyond maybe your name. But when you’re President, there are no new people to con any more. And the old marks gradually realize that they’ve been taken.
    Sure, some of them are as incapable of admitting that to themselves as you are of changing your MO**. But your enterprise is in a death spiral nonetheless. The only question is how many get taken down with him.
    ** And at 70+, someone who is allergic to learning anything isn’t going to change his spots.

  256. When you’re a con man, your MO requires a steady stream of new folks to con. Folks who have never heard about you, beyond maybe your name. But when you’re President, there are no new people to con any more. And the old marks gradually realize that they’ve been taken.
    Sure, some of them are as incapable of admitting that to themselves as you are of changing your MO**. But your enterprise is in a death spiral nonetheless. The only question is how many get taken down with him.
    ** And at 70+, someone who is allergic to learning anything isn’t going to change his spots.

  257. The corporate fascist worldwide conservative movement gets a headstart on deregulation under Brazil’s new Other-hating p-admiring Bolsonaro.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/after-mining-dam-collapse-in-brazil-kills-at-least-40-fear-of-another-disaster
    Like a Daggy Taggert orgasm, polluted ponds full of mine tailings start to relax and give way at the mere anticipation of gummint deregulation and halted enforcement.
    Ohh, yes, yes ……… Ahhhhhh….. free at last.

  258. The corporate fascist worldwide conservative movement gets a headstart on deregulation under Brazil’s new Other-hating p-admiring Bolsonaro.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/after-mining-dam-collapse-in-brazil-kills-at-least-40-fear-of-another-disaster
    Like a Daggy Taggert orgasm, polluted ponds full of mine tailings start to relax and give way at the mere anticipation of gummint deregulation and halted enforcement.
    Ohh, yes, yes ……… Ahhhhhh….. free at last.

  259. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/01/the-southern-border-is-a-huge-money-pit/
    Nevertheless, not one particle of dust/horseshit will be permitted to settle:
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/would-trump-shutdown-govt-again-chief-of-staff-says-um-yeah
    Mulvaney, bought and paid for corrupt scum, courtesy of the elite and exorbitantly high-interest payday loan industry that owns his republican ass, while they rip off his constituents whom he refuses to grant minimum wage increases.

  260. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/01/the-southern-border-is-a-huge-money-pit/
    Nevertheless, not one particle of dust/horseshit will be permitted to settle:
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/would-trump-shutdown-govt-again-chief-of-staff-says-um-yeah
    Mulvaney, bought and paid for corrupt scum, courtesy of the elite and exorbitantly high-interest payday loan industry that owns his republican ass, while they rip off his constituents whom he refuses to grant minimum wage increases.

  261. Well of course Trump would shut down the government again. He has already demonstrated (repeatedly!) that he is incapable of learning. So why would he do so this time?
    Although there is the possibility that the Republicans in the Senate, at least some of them, are capable of learning. So they may prevent him from doing so. How irritating for him….

  262. Well of course Trump would shut down the government again. He has already demonstrated (repeatedly!) that he is incapable of learning. So why would he do so this time?
    Although there is the possibility that the Republicans in the Senate, at least some of them, are capable of learning. So they may prevent him from doing so. How irritating for him….

  263. Ah, but will Congress let it shut down? I’d really like to have listened in to some of the phone calls between red-state governors and their Congress critters this past week. I have to believe that soon after the Senate votes this past Thursday, McConnell had to have told Trump “I don’t have the votes to filibuster, and probably not to sustain a veto.”

  264. Ah, but will Congress let it shut down? I’d really like to have listened in to some of the phone calls between red-state governors and their Congress critters this past week. I have to believe that soon after the Senate votes this past Thursday, McConnell had to have told Trump “I don’t have the votes to filibuster, and probably not to sustain a veto.”

  265. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/technology/iphones-apple-china-made.html
    Right wing Libertarians, conservatives, and Tom Delay in Texas are too liberal for real capitalists.
    Once Texas gets rid of its socialist levels of the uninsured (only roughly 25%; let’s get that number up), abolishes unemployment insurance, and vanquishes unions, OSHA and child labor laws altogether, maybe it will be competitive with China.
    Not enough of the right kind of screws, and screwing, in Texas yet.
    Get to work Governor Abbott, you socialist milquetoast.

  266. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/technology/iphones-apple-china-made.html
    Right wing Libertarians, conservatives, and Tom Delay in Texas are too liberal for real capitalists.
    Once Texas gets rid of its socialist levels of the uninsured (only roughly 25%; let’s get that number up), abolishes unemployment insurance, and vanquishes unions, OSHA and child labor laws altogether, maybe it will be competitive with China.
    Not enough of the right kind of screws, and screwing, in Texas yet.
    Get to work Governor Abbott, you socialist milquetoast.

  267. “Once Texas gets rid of its socialist levels of the uninsured (only roughly 25%; let’s get that number up), abolishes unemployment insurance, and vanquishes unions, OSHA and child labor laws altogether, maybe it will be competitive with China.”
    Well, that’s ONE way to convince Mexico to ‘build the wall’: to keep out desperate Texans.

  268. “Once Texas gets rid of its socialist levels of the uninsured (only roughly 25%; let’s get that number up), abolishes unemployment insurance, and vanquishes unions, OSHA and child labor laws altogether, maybe it will be competitive with China.”
    Well, that’s ONE way to convince Mexico to ‘build the wall’: to keep out desperate Texans.

  269. Yup, things are cheaper in 3rd world countries. But here’s the thing. If we want to be a proper 3rd world country, like say Mexico, we need to seriously upgrade our health care system.
    There’s a reason, after all, that so many Americans, even those with health insurance, go to Mexico and pay out-of-pocket for medical care.

  270. Yup, things are cheaper in 3rd world countries. But here’s the thing. If we want to be a proper 3rd world country, like say Mexico, we need to seriously upgrade our health care system.
    There’s a reason, after all, that so many Americans, even those with health insurance, go to Mexico and pay out-of-pocket for medical care.

  271. Well, that’s ONE way to convince Mexico to ‘build the wall’: to keep out desperate Texans.
    Or Texas should build a wall to keep out desperate New Yorkers, Californians, etc.

  272. Well, that’s ONE way to convince Mexico to ‘build the wall’: to keep out desperate Texans.
    Or Texas should build a wall to keep out desperate New Yorkers, Californians, etc.

  273. Hey, if everybody is painfully aware of how badly the shutdown burned them, you gotta come up with a different club to beat them with.

  274. Hey, if everybody is painfully aware of how badly the shutdown burned them, you gotta come up with a different club to beat them with.

  275. What this country needs is a good six dollar caramel brulee latte.
    Some would say, it’s hard to tell whether it’s a conservative or a Russian troll farm, they talk so much alike, that Schultz’s family growing up in federally-subsidized Brooklyn housing projects was un-American.
    Not me. But, maybe the three young women sharing an apartment next to me would say it who work at the Starbucks down on the corner, who when Starbucks increased their hourly wage, also took away their tip jar for good measure as their, and my, rents rise inexorably despite plenty of new luxury rental space going up all around us.
    wj, I don’t care to use a different club on those who are members of a club that need clubbing.

  276. What this country needs is a good six dollar caramel brulee latte.
    Some would say, it’s hard to tell whether it’s a conservative or a Russian troll farm, they talk so much alike, that Schultz’s family growing up in federally-subsidized Brooklyn housing projects was un-American.
    Not me. But, maybe the three young women sharing an apartment next to me would say it who work at the Starbucks down on the corner, who when Starbucks increased their hourly wage, also took away their tip jar for good measure as their, and my, rents rise inexorably despite plenty of new luxury rental space going up all around us.
    wj, I don’t care to use a different club on those who are members of a club that need clubbing.

  277. Ah, but John it’s not you using the club. It’s Trump. (Call it shooting himself, and themselves, in the foot if you wish.)

  278. Ah, but John it’s not you using the club. It’s Trump. (Call it shooting himself, and themselves, in the foot if you wish.)

  279. Yes.
    But they never run out of feet to shoot, and America’s foot fetishists never stop shodding them.

  280. Yes.
    But they never run out of feet to shoot, and America’s foot fetishists never stop shodding them.

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