by wj
Because it’s important to keep track of what is really important in life. And the Cubs are going to the World Series for the first time since before I was born. Not only that, they did it with the first time a team has faced the minimum number of opposing hitters (27) in a post-season game since . . . 1956: Don Larson’s perfect game.
Now we just need to see something not seen since before women had the vote: a World Series victory. Go Cubs!
Was Marty McFly in the stands?
Was Marty McFly in the stands?
Was Marty McFly in the stands?
Or Ferris Bueller?
Or Ferris Bueller?
Or Ferris Bueller?
Bill Murray is in DC this weekend to receive the Mark Twain prize for Humor at the Kennedy Center on Sunday night. Can’t imagine the mood he will be in.
Bill Murray is in DC this weekend to receive the Mark Twain prize for Humor at the Kennedy Center on Sunday night. Can’t imagine the mood he will be in.
Bill Murray is in DC this weekend to receive the Mark Twain prize for Humor at the Kennedy Center on Sunday night. Can’t imagine the mood he will be in.
I think it’s great that we’re guaranteed to see a team win the World Series who hasn’t won it in at least 68 years either way.
I think it’s great that we’re guaranteed to see a team win the World Series who hasn’t won it in at least 68 years either way.
I think it’s great that we’re guaranteed to see a team win the World Series who hasn’t won it in at least 68 years either way.
Ugh: What were the odds that Murray would show up for the Mark Twain award if the ACLS had gone to a seventh game on Sunday?
Ugh: What were the odds that Murray would show up for the Mark Twain award if the ACLS had gone to a seventh game on Sunday?
Ugh: What were the odds that Murray would show up for the Mark Twain award if the ACLS had gone to a seventh game on Sunday?
if it can happen for the red sox, it can happen for anyone.
best of luck!
if it can happen for the red sox, it can happen for anyone.
best of luck!
if it can happen for the red sox, it can happen for anyone.
best of luck!
Too bad Ernie Banks didn’t live long enough for this.
The Indians look tough.
Too bad Ernie Banks didn’t live long enough for this.
The Indians look tough.
Too bad Ernie Banks didn’t live long enough for this.
The Indians look tough.
I hope the Cubs invite John Paul Stevens to game 3. In addition to having been a Supreme Court Justice, he’s a lifelong Cubs fan and was on hand for game 3 in 1932 when Babe Ruth (allegedly) called his shot.
I hope the Cubs invite John Paul Stevens to game 3. In addition to having been a Supreme Court Justice, he’s a lifelong Cubs fan and was on hand for game 3 in 1932 when Babe Ruth (allegedly) called his shot.
I hope the Cubs invite John Paul Stevens to game 3. In addition to having been a Supreme Court Justice, he’s a lifelong Cubs fan and was on hand for game 3 in 1932 when Babe Ruth (allegedly) called his shot.
I’m still disappointed we didn’t get the “end times are nigh” Cubs redsox World Series in 2003, but this is pretty good. Would have been even better if the Cavs hadn’t just won the NBA championship.
I’m still disappointed we didn’t get the “end times are nigh” Cubs redsox World Series in 2003, but this is pretty good. Would have been even better if the Cavs hadn’t just won the NBA championship.
I’m still disappointed we didn’t get the “end times are nigh” Cubs redsox World Series in 2003, but this is pretty good. Would have been even better if the Cavs hadn’t just won the NBA championship.
My very late grandfather and great uncle played high school baseball in southwestern Ohio with Charlie Root the Cubbie pitcher who gave up Ruth’s alleged called shot.
I inherited a baseball from my great uncle autographed by Root, Charlie Gehringer, Hack Wilson, Kiki Cuyler, and another guy. It sits in my safe deposit box.
My very late grandfather and great uncle played high school baseball in southwestern Ohio with Charlie Root the Cubbie pitcher who gave up Ruth’s alleged called shot.
I inherited a baseball from my great uncle autographed by Root, Charlie Gehringer, Hack Wilson, Kiki Cuyler, and another guy. It sits in my safe deposit box.
My very late grandfather and great uncle played high school baseball in southwestern Ohio with Charlie Root the Cubbie pitcher who gave up Ruth’s alleged called shot.
I inherited a baseball from my great uncle autographed by Root, Charlie Gehringer, Hack Wilson, Kiki Cuyler, and another guy. It sits in my safe deposit box.
Back just before World War II, my did was playing in the Cubs farm system for several years. So the family has been Cubs fans (albeit sometimes also mild fans of the local team) ever since.
My sister and I have been texting cheers the length of the West Coast the last few weeks, every time something goes right. But, being true Cubs fans, we aren’t about to count any chickens until the eggs are hatched . . . and grown up to lay eggs themselves. 😉
Back just before World War II, my did was playing in the Cubs farm system for several years. So the family has been Cubs fans (albeit sometimes also mild fans of the local team) ever since.
My sister and I have been texting cheers the length of the West Coast the last few weeks, every time something goes right. But, being true Cubs fans, we aren’t about to count any chickens until the eggs are hatched . . . and grown up to lay eggs themselves. 😉
Back just before World War II, my did was playing in the Cubs farm system for several years. So the family has been Cubs fans (albeit sometimes also mild fans of the local team) ever since.
My sister and I have been texting cheers the length of the West Coast the last few weeks, every time something goes right. But, being true Cubs fans, we aren’t about to count any chickens until the eggs are hatched . . . and grown up to lay eggs themselves. 😉
Lest things be forgotten:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/23/dexter_foster_will_be_the_first_black_chicago_cub_to_play_in_the_world_series.html
Lest things be forgotten:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/23/dexter_foster_will_be_the_first_black_chicago_cub_to_play_in_the_world_series.html
Lest things be forgotten:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/23/dexter_foster_will_be_the_first_black_chicago_cub_to_play_in_the_world_series.html
Not baseball, just another piece by Patrick Cockburn about modern day wars and propaganda–
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n19/patrick-cockburn/diary
Not baseball, just another piece by Patrick Cockburn about modern day wars and propaganda–
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n19/patrick-cockburn/diary
Not baseball, just another piece by Patrick Cockburn about modern day wars and propaganda–
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n19/patrick-cockburn/diary
Donald, it’s hard to get past the introduction: “The four wars fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria over the past 12 years have all involved overt or covert foreign intervention in deeply divided countries. In each case the involvement of the West exacerbated existing differences and pushed hostile parties towards civil war.” Two of those wars were in a civil war when intervention took place. Afghanistan was in a post-civil war state run by the Taliban who was harboring a terrorist organization that bombed the United States, killing more people here than any foreign power since the War of 1812. Cockburn can argue about our policies (especially in Iraq), but let’s get the basic background right.
But I did read it, and I find it interesting that Cockburn now blames accurate depictions of atrocities instead of the atrocities themselves for the continuing war. It sort of turns the idea of the media’s role in Vietnam on its head.
Donald, it’s hard to get past the introduction: “The four wars fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria over the past 12 years have all involved overt or covert foreign intervention in deeply divided countries. In each case the involvement of the West exacerbated existing differences and pushed hostile parties towards civil war.” Two of those wars were in a civil war when intervention took place. Afghanistan was in a post-civil war state run by the Taliban who was harboring a terrorist organization that bombed the United States, killing more people here than any foreign power since the War of 1812. Cockburn can argue about our policies (especially in Iraq), but let’s get the basic background right.
But I did read it, and I find it interesting that Cockburn now blames accurate depictions of atrocities instead of the atrocities themselves for the continuing war. It sort of turns the idea of the media’s role in Vietnam on its head.
Donald, it’s hard to get past the introduction: “The four wars fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria over the past 12 years have all involved overt or covert foreign intervention in deeply divided countries. In each case the involvement of the West exacerbated existing differences and pushed hostile parties towards civil war.” Two of those wars were in a civil war when intervention took place. Afghanistan was in a post-civil war state run by the Taliban who was harboring a terrorist organization that bombed the United States, killing more people here than any foreign power since the War of 1812. Cockburn can argue about our policies (especially in Iraq), but let’s get the basic background right.
But I did read it, and I find it interesting that Cockburn now blames accurate depictions of atrocities instead of the atrocities themselves for the continuing war. It sort of turns the idea of the media’s role in Vietnam on its head.
If you wander over to Lawyers, Guns, and Money, you’ll find a post about Tom Hayden, who died over the weekend.
As a child, he attended Father Coughlin’s parish school (yeah, that one). He, of course, was the subject of massive surveillance and file-mongering by J. Edgar Hoover, and squared off with LBJ, Nixon, and Mayor Daley, among others.
Now, those are some enemies to have accumulated.
They make Trump and company look like chump change in a third-rate, but no less malign, apprentice clown’s bottomless pocket.
People in this country use to know how to throw a f&cking demonstration.
If you wander over to Lawyers, Guns, and Money, you’ll find a post about Tom Hayden, who died over the weekend.
As a child, he attended Father Coughlin’s parish school (yeah, that one). He, of course, was the subject of massive surveillance and file-mongering by J. Edgar Hoover, and squared off with LBJ, Nixon, and Mayor Daley, among others.
Now, those are some enemies to have accumulated.
They make Trump and company look like chump change in a third-rate, but no less malign, apprentice clown’s bottomless pocket.
People in this country use to know how to throw a f&cking demonstration.
If you wander over to Lawyers, Guns, and Money, you’ll find a post about Tom Hayden, who died over the weekend.
As a child, he attended Father Coughlin’s parish school (yeah, that one). He, of course, was the subject of massive surveillance and file-mongering by J. Edgar Hoover, and squared off with LBJ, Nixon, and Mayor Daley, among others.
Now, those are some enemies to have accumulated.
They make Trump and company look like chump change in a third-rate, but no less malign, apprentice clown’s bottomless pocket.
People in this country use to know how to throw a f&cking demonstration.
Yes, let’s get the basics right. Afghanistan was absolutely not in a post-civil-war state. That civil war was ongoing (remember Massoud’s assassination on 9/9? No? ‘kay…); we chose the noxious side least openly opposed to us, defended it against foreign and domestic opposition (both military and civil), ignored and/or covered up its atrocities, and generally encouraged GIROA corruption while ensuring no reconciliation could occur and thus guaranteeing the civil war was tempirarily paused after a brief spate of victor’s justice by our warlord proxies. These inconvenient facts don’t line up precisely with Coburn’s sweeping summary of the four wars, but they line up better with it than with your rose-tinted interventionist cheerleading.
Also, HTH do you get from the Coburn piece to placing blame on accurate depictions of atrocities for fomenting war? That’s more or less the polar opposite of the point he’s making…
Yes, let’s get the basics right. Afghanistan was absolutely not in a post-civil-war state. That civil war was ongoing (remember Massoud’s assassination on 9/9? No? ‘kay…); we chose the noxious side least openly opposed to us, defended it against foreign and domestic opposition (both military and civil), ignored and/or covered up its atrocities, and generally encouraged GIROA corruption while ensuring no reconciliation could occur and thus guaranteeing the civil war was tempirarily paused after a brief spate of victor’s justice by our warlord proxies. These inconvenient facts don’t line up precisely with Coburn’s sweeping summary of the four wars, but they line up better with it than with your rose-tinted interventionist cheerleading.
Also, HTH do you get from the Coburn piece to placing blame on accurate depictions of atrocities for fomenting war? That’s more or less the polar opposite of the point he’s making…
Yes, let’s get the basics right. Afghanistan was absolutely not in a post-civil-war state. That civil war was ongoing (remember Massoud’s assassination on 9/9? No? ‘kay…); we chose the noxious side least openly opposed to us, defended it against foreign and domestic opposition (both military and civil), ignored and/or covered up its atrocities, and generally encouraged GIROA corruption while ensuring no reconciliation could occur and thus guaranteeing the civil war was tempirarily paused after a brief spate of victor’s justice by our warlord proxies. These inconvenient facts don’t line up precisely with Coburn’s sweeping summary of the four wars, but they line up better with it than with your rose-tinted interventionist cheerleading.
Also, HTH do you get from the Coburn piece to placing blame on accurate depictions of atrocities for fomenting war? That’s more or less the polar opposite of the point he’s making…
Also, HTH…
Was this supposed to be addressing me (“hope that helps” doesn’t seem to fit the context)?
Also, HTH…
Was this supposed to be addressing me (“hope that helps” doesn’t seem to fit the context)?
Also, HTH…
Was this supposed to be addressing me (“hope that helps” doesn’t seem to fit the context)?
These inconvenient facts don’t line up precisely with Coburn’s sweeping summary of the four wars, but they line up better with it than with your rose-tinted interventionist cheerleading.
Cockburn’s article is based on a seriously inaccurate premise. If you want to argue that a civil war was ongoing in 2001 Afghanistan, that just supports my point that the United States didn’t push Afghanistan toward conflict that was already manifest.
As to the propoganda, Cockburn says this:
“The situation has grown worse since Libya. The ‘YouTube war’ showing atrocities on both sides has outpaced the actual war in Syria as an influence on both rebels and government supporters. Satellite channels such as al-Jazeera depend on these propaganda clips. Many of the atrocities are real. Rebels can see film of mass graves of people killed by poison gas or children writhing in pain from napalm burns. In government-held parts of Damascus people don’t go out much in the evening but sit at home watching footage of captured government soldiers being decapitated or Christian priests and Alawite soldiers having their throats cut. Much of this footage is real – but not all.”
He then describes some fake atrocities being reported. But how much of a difference does it make that some of the atrocities are false when there is plenty of real horror that is equally gruesome?
These inconvenient facts don’t line up precisely with Coburn’s sweeping summary of the four wars, but they line up better with it than with your rose-tinted interventionist cheerleading.
Cockburn’s article is based on a seriously inaccurate premise. If you want to argue that a civil war was ongoing in 2001 Afghanistan, that just supports my point that the United States didn’t push Afghanistan toward conflict that was already manifest.
As to the propoganda, Cockburn says this:
“The situation has grown worse since Libya. The ‘YouTube war’ showing atrocities on both sides has outpaced the actual war in Syria as an influence on both rebels and government supporters. Satellite channels such as al-Jazeera depend on these propaganda clips. Many of the atrocities are real. Rebels can see film of mass graves of people killed by poison gas or children writhing in pain from napalm burns. In government-held parts of Damascus people don’t go out much in the evening but sit at home watching footage of captured government soldiers being decapitated or Christian priests and Alawite soldiers having their throats cut. Much of this footage is real – but not all.”
He then describes some fake atrocities being reported. But how much of a difference does it make that some of the atrocities are false when there is plenty of real horror that is equally gruesome?
These inconvenient facts don’t line up precisely with Coburn’s sweeping summary of the four wars, but they line up better with it than with your rose-tinted interventionist cheerleading.
Cockburn’s article is based on a seriously inaccurate premise. If you want to argue that a civil war was ongoing in 2001 Afghanistan, that just supports my point that the United States didn’t push Afghanistan toward conflict that was already manifest.
As to the propoganda, Cockburn says this:
“The situation has grown worse since Libya. The ‘YouTube war’ showing atrocities on both sides has outpaced the actual war in Syria as an influence on both rebels and government supporters. Satellite channels such as al-Jazeera depend on these propaganda clips. Many of the atrocities are real. Rebels can see film of mass graves of people killed by poison gas or children writhing in pain from napalm burns. In government-held parts of Damascus people don’t go out much in the evening but sit at home watching footage of captured government soldiers being decapitated or Christian priests and Alawite soldiers having their throats cut. Much of this footage is real – but not all.”
He then describes some fake atrocities being reported. But how much of a difference does it make that some of the atrocities are false when there is plenty of real horror that is equally gruesome?
Afghanistan’s war started in 1978, even before the Russian invasion, and we wanted it to become a Russian quagmire, so we intervened on the side of the rebels once they were there. In fact I don’t remember if we intervened covertly before the Russians came in or not. In hindsight that might have contributed to the collapse of the USSR, but maybe wasn’t so great for Afghanistan. Remember the good old days when it seemed like a great idea to encourage Islamic jihad against the atheist commie Westerners?
I didn’t totally agree with Cockburn’s point on how depiction of atrocities encourages more atrocities, but he is probably at least partly right. I still think we need to know, and more info is better than less, so long as it is accurate information and not fake. But he’s obviously right on fake atrocities and we’ve certainly had those, starting with the baby incubator story in Kuwait back in the Gulf War days and the mass rape story in Libya in 2011. Obviously the people spreading those stories think they make a difference.
Afghanistan’s war started in 1978, even before the Russian invasion, and we wanted it to become a Russian quagmire, so we intervened on the side of the rebels once they were there. In fact I don’t remember if we intervened covertly before the Russians came in or not. In hindsight that might have contributed to the collapse of the USSR, but maybe wasn’t so great for Afghanistan. Remember the good old days when it seemed like a great idea to encourage Islamic jihad against the atheist commie Westerners?
I didn’t totally agree with Cockburn’s point on how depiction of atrocities encourages more atrocities, but he is probably at least partly right. I still think we need to know, and more info is better than less, so long as it is accurate information and not fake. But he’s obviously right on fake atrocities and we’ve certainly had those, starting with the baby incubator story in Kuwait back in the Gulf War days and the mass rape story in Libya in 2011. Obviously the people spreading those stories think they make a difference.
Afghanistan’s war started in 1978, even before the Russian invasion, and we wanted it to become a Russian quagmire, so we intervened on the side of the rebels once they were there. In fact I don’t remember if we intervened covertly before the Russians came in or not. In hindsight that might have contributed to the collapse of the USSR, but maybe wasn’t so great for Afghanistan. Remember the good old days when it seemed like a great idea to encourage Islamic jihad against the atheist commie Westerners?
I didn’t totally agree with Cockburn’s point on how depiction of atrocities encourages more atrocities, but he is probably at least partly right. I still think we need to know, and more info is better than less, so long as it is accurate information and not fake. But he’s obviously right on fake atrocities and we’ve certainly had those, starting with the baby incubator story in Kuwait back in the Gulf War days and the mass rape story in Libya in 2011. Obviously the people spreading those stories think they make a difference.
Found the Brezinski interview where he says we covertly aided the Afghan rebels against the communist govenment, thinking this might draw the Russians in. The longer article linked there is also interesting. Some of the Reagan people didn’t want a negotiated settlement. They wanted a Russian military defeat.
http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview
Found the Brezinski interview where he says we covertly aided the Afghan rebels against the communist govenment, thinking this might draw the Russians in. The longer article linked there is also interesting. Some of the Reagan people didn’t want a negotiated settlement. They wanted a Russian military defeat.
http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview
Found the Brezinski interview where he says we covertly aided the Afghan rebels against the communist govenment, thinking this might draw the Russians in. The longer article linked there is also interesting. Some of the Reagan people didn’t want a negotiated settlement. They wanted a Russian military defeat.
http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview
This reminds me of the back and forth I had with McKinney a while back regarding the constitutionality of government mandating separate bathrooms for each sex:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/10/24/federal_judge_rules_for_free_the_nipple_in_fort_collins_topless_case.html
Free the Nipple should win, ISTM.
This reminds me of the back and forth I had with McKinney a while back regarding the constitutionality of government mandating separate bathrooms for each sex:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/10/24/federal_judge_rules_for_free_the_nipple_in_fort_collins_topless_case.html
Free the Nipple should win, ISTM.
This reminds me of the back and forth I had with McKinney a while back regarding the constitutionality of government mandating separate bathrooms for each sex:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/10/24/federal_judge_rules_for_free_the_nipple_in_fort_collins_topless_case.html
Free the Nipple should win, ISTM.
Fascinating (to an ignorant Brit, at least) Atlantic article on the ‘Watergate Babies’, and how they discarded a populist Democrat tradition almost by accident…
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/
I’d be very interested in your comments on this, as it’s a thread of recentish US political history I don’t know a great deal about.
Fascinating (to an ignorant Brit, at least) Atlantic article on the ‘Watergate Babies’, and how they discarded a populist Democrat tradition almost by accident…
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/
I’d be very interested in your comments on this, as it’s a thread of recentish US political history I don’t know a great deal about.
Fascinating (to an ignorant Brit, at least) Atlantic article on the ‘Watergate Babies’, and how they discarded a populist Democrat tradition almost by accident…
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/
I’d be very interested in your comments on this, as it’s a thread of recentish US political history I don’t know a great deal about.
It was probably just a matter of time before the Soviet Union imploded because of Islam. The Afghan war just made it happen more quickly.
It was probably just a matter of time before the Soviet Union imploded because of Islam. The Afghan war just made it happen more quickly.
It was probably just a matter of time before the Soviet Union imploded because of Islam. The Afghan war just made it happen more quickly.
Nigel, it makes an interesting contrast, doesn’t it?
The Democratic “Watergate babies”, who came to Washington determined to, as they saw it, “clean up the mess.” And did so by taking over power in Congress and doing things. Versus the Republican Tea Party members, who arrived in Congress to “clean up the mess” . . . and attempted to do so by shutting down the operation of the Congress and the government.
Nigel, it makes an interesting contrast, doesn’t it?
The Democratic “Watergate babies”, who came to Washington determined to, as they saw it, “clean up the mess.” And did so by taking over power in Congress and doing things. Versus the Republican Tea Party members, who arrived in Congress to “clean up the mess” . . . and attempted to do so by shutting down the operation of the Congress and the government.
Nigel, it makes an interesting contrast, doesn’t it?
The Democratic “Watergate babies”, who came to Washington determined to, as they saw it, “clean up the mess.” And did so by taking over power in Congress and doing things. Versus the Republican Tea Party members, who arrived in Congress to “clean up the mess” . . . and attempted to do so by shutting down the operation of the Congress and the government.
and now Reid has called their bluff.
in the words of Nelson Muntz : Hahhh Ha!
and now Reid has called their bluff.
in the words of Nelson Muntz : Hahhh Ha!
and now Reid has called their bluff.
in the words of Nelson Muntz : Hahhh Ha!
Hey, wj. I’m interested in the history; the tea party not so much.
🙂
Meanwhile, the U.K. press (& not the liberal bit) is ‘interfering’ in the US election:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/exclusive-investigation-donald-trump-faces-foreign-donor-fundrai/
Hey, wj. I’m interested in the history; the tea party not so much.
🙂
Meanwhile, the U.K. press (& not the liberal bit) is ‘interfering’ in the US election:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/exclusive-investigation-donald-trump-faces-foreign-donor-fundrai/
Hey, wj. I’m interested in the history; the tea party not so much.
🙂
Meanwhile, the U.K. press (& not the liberal bit) is ‘interfering’ in the US election:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/exclusive-investigation-donald-trump-faces-foreign-donor-fundrai/
Nigel,
Matt Stoller can be incredibly loopy at times, however there is a kernel of truth to that article. That class was the professional class, and economic populism took a back seat…esp since organized labor turned its back on McGovern in ’72.
But the real rot against populism really took off as the cold war intensified (communists thrown out of AFL-CIO), civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists….and they left the party. See also labor unions, decline of, a trend that was well under way by Watergate.
Skein of history…..
Nigel,
Matt Stoller can be incredibly loopy at times, however there is a kernel of truth to that article. That class was the professional class, and economic populism took a back seat…esp since organized labor turned its back on McGovern in ’72.
But the real rot against populism really took off as the cold war intensified (communists thrown out of AFL-CIO), civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists….and they left the party. See also labor unions, decline of, a trend that was well under way by Watergate.
Skein of history…..
Nigel,
Matt Stoller can be incredibly loopy at times, however there is a kernel of truth to that article. That class was the professional class, and economic populism took a back seat…esp since organized labor turned its back on McGovern in ’72.
But the real rot against populism really took off as the cold war intensified (communists thrown out of AFL-CIO), civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists….and they left the party. See also labor unions, decline of, a trend that was well under way by Watergate.
Skein of history…..
Nigel,
To get a flavor of that era, read up on Gary Hart and “yuppies”.
Thanks.
Nigel,
To get a flavor of that era, read up on Gary Hart and “yuppies”.
Thanks.
Nigel,
To get a flavor of that era, read up on Gary Hart and “yuppies”.
Thanks.
civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists….and they left the party.
This is a very interesting, and not well known fact. I wouldn’t be surprised if it had a tiny bit to do with the Bernie v. Hillary rift of today.
civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists….and they left the party.
This is a very interesting, and not well known fact. I wouldn’t be surprised if it had a tiny bit to do with the Bernie v. Hillary rift of today.
civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists….and they left the party.
This is a very interesting, and not well known fact. I wouldn’t be surprised if it had a tiny bit to do with the Bernie v. Hillary rift of today.
I don’t think Reid so much as called their bluff as the GOP lost their bet (assume ur talking SCOTUS cleek)
I don’t think Reid so much as called their bluff as the GOP lost their bet (assume ur talking SCOTUS cleek)
I don’t think Reid so much as called their bluff as the GOP lost their bet (assume ur talking SCOTUS cleek)
civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists…
That I know, as I’ve some familiarity with the LBJ story. It’s the apparent discarding of the old New Deal politics along with all that which is interesting.
civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists…
That I know, as I’ve some familiarity with the LBJ story. It’s the apparent discarding of the old New Deal politics along with all that which is interesting.
civil rights (a lot of those old timey southern economic populists were, by and large, irredeemable racists…
That I know, as I’ve some familiarity with the LBJ story. It’s the apparent discarding of the old New Deal politics along with all that which is interesting.
That I know, as I’ve some familiarity with the LBJ story.
See also Huey Long.
That I know, as I’ve some familiarity with the LBJ story.
See also Huey Long.
That I know, as I’ve some familiarity with the LBJ story.
See also Huey Long.
The Hillary-Bernie rift has everything to do with the Atlantic piece, except that Clinton is not a peacenik these days and probably hasn’t been one for decades. But on the domestic front Sanders is the old fashioned Democrat and the Clintons were the young rebels that came in during the70’s, exactly as described in the piece. The question is how far left has she actually moved as a result of the campaign?
The Hillary-Bernie rift has everything to do with the Atlantic piece, except that Clinton is not a peacenik these days and probably hasn’t been one for decades. But on the domestic front Sanders is the old fashioned Democrat and the Clintons were the young rebels that came in during the70’s, exactly as described in the piece. The question is how far left has she actually moved as a result of the campaign?
The Hillary-Bernie rift has everything to do with the Atlantic piece, except that Clinton is not a peacenik these days and probably hasn’t been one for decades. But on the domestic front Sanders is the old fashioned Democrat and the Clintons were the young rebels that came in during the70’s, exactly as described in the piece. The question is how far left has she actually moved as a result of the campaign?
Clinton is not a peacenik these days and probably hasn’t been one for decades
this gets near something that bugs me now and then…
there are certainly a lot of peacenik lefties. and many of them seem to think that the Democratic party is the party of peaceniks, and that the GOP is the party of warmongers. and that having non-peacenik positions is therefore a symptom of irredeemable right-wingery.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party. maybe during Carter? but he was a nuke sub officer – not exactly peacenik-approved. they opposed GOP’s-led wars (and vice versa). but the Dems have never been particularly peaceful.
and it’s not even the Dems. there are violent leftists all over the world.
so…?
The question is how far left has she actually moved as a result of the campaign?
i got a shiny new dollar for everyone who hasn’t already made up their minds on that question.
Clinton is not a peacenik these days and probably hasn’t been one for decades
this gets near something that bugs me now and then…
there are certainly a lot of peacenik lefties. and many of them seem to think that the Democratic party is the party of peaceniks, and that the GOP is the party of warmongers. and that having non-peacenik positions is therefore a symptom of irredeemable right-wingery.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party. maybe during Carter? but he was a nuke sub officer – not exactly peacenik-approved. they opposed GOP’s-led wars (and vice versa). but the Dems have never been particularly peaceful.
and it’s not even the Dems. there are violent leftists all over the world.
so…?
The question is how far left has she actually moved as a result of the campaign?
i got a shiny new dollar for everyone who hasn’t already made up their minds on that question.
Clinton is not a peacenik these days and probably hasn’t been one for decades
this gets near something that bugs me now and then…
there are certainly a lot of peacenik lefties. and many of them seem to think that the Democratic party is the party of peaceniks, and that the GOP is the party of warmongers. and that having non-peacenik positions is therefore a symptom of irredeemable right-wingery.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party. maybe during Carter? but he was a nuke sub officer – not exactly peacenik-approved. they opposed GOP’s-led wars (and vice versa). but the Dems have never been particularly peaceful.
and it’s not even the Dems. there are violent leftists all over the world.
so…?
The question is how far left has she actually moved as a result of the campaign?
i got a shiny new dollar for everyone who hasn’t already made up their minds on that question.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party
But who, in the end, doesn’t want peace? It’s how we get there, and whether we ignore horror and strife happening in the world so that we can keep our hands clean.
Thank you, cleek, for pointing out that “left” does NOT mean “peacenik”, especially if “peacenik” means “keep out of trouble at all costs”.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party
But who, in the end, doesn’t want peace? It’s how we get there, and whether we ignore horror and strife happening in the world so that we can keep our hands clean.
Thank you, cleek, for pointing out that “left” does NOT mean “peacenik”, especially if “peacenik” means “keep out of trouble at all costs”.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party
But who, in the end, doesn’t want peace? It’s how we get there, and whether we ignore horror and strife happening in the world so that we can keep our hands clean.
Thank you, cleek, for pointing out that “left” does NOT mean “peacenik”, especially if “peacenik” means “keep out of trouble at all costs”.
Ship me the shiny new dollar. On domestic policy I am not sure where she stands on various issues. She shifts around. I don’t know yet whether the left should take credit or is being suckered. That she is a militarist is pretty clear.
Peaceniks can be wrong on occasion– a classic fictional example for Star Trek nerds would be the saintly Edith Keeler in a famous Star Trek time travel episode who inadvertently caused a Nazi victory. Nice going Edith.
In general, though, liberal humanitarians seem eager to plunge into arming dubious freedom fighters or bombing bad guys with no thought given to the likelihood that this will improve things, while ignoring the situations where we are actively supporting other bad guys doing the same things that allegedly outrage us when done by people we aren’t supporting.
Ship me the shiny new dollar. On domestic policy I am not sure where she stands on various issues. She shifts around. I don’t know yet whether the left should take credit or is being suckered. That she is a militarist is pretty clear.
Peaceniks can be wrong on occasion– a classic fictional example for Star Trek nerds would be the saintly Edith Keeler in a famous Star Trek time travel episode who inadvertently caused a Nazi victory. Nice going Edith.
In general, though, liberal humanitarians seem eager to plunge into arming dubious freedom fighters or bombing bad guys with no thought given to the likelihood that this will improve things, while ignoring the situations where we are actively supporting other bad guys doing the same things that allegedly outrage us when done by people we aren’t supporting.
Ship me the shiny new dollar. On domestic policy I am not sure where she stands on various issues. She shifts around. I don’t know yet whether the left should take credit or is being suckered. That she is a militarist is pretty clear.
Peaceniks can be wrong on occasion– a classic fictional example for Star Trek nerds would be the saintly Edith Keeler in a famous Star Trek time travel episode who inadvertently caused a Nazi victory. Nice going Edith.
In general, though, liberal humanitarians seem eager to plunge into arming dubious freedom fighters or bombing bad guys with no thought given to the likelihood that this will improve things, while ignoring the situations where we are actively supporting other bad guys doing the same things that allegedly outrage us when done by people we aren’t supporting.
Peaceniks can be wrong on occasion– a classic fictional example for Star Trek nerds would be the saintly Edith Keeler in a famous Star Trek time travel episode who inadvertently caused a Nazi victory. Nice going Edith.
Funny how you point to a fictional example, when WWII American Firsters are perfectly easy to cite. Also, Bosnia. Also Rwanda. Peaceniks were right in Vietnam, and in Iraq. Otherwise, not so clear cut.
Peaceniks can be wrong on occasion– a classic fictional example for Star Trek nerds would be the saintly Edith Keeler in a famous Star Trek time travel episode who inadvertently caused a Nazi victory. Nice going Edith.
Funny how you point to a fictional example, when WWII American Firsters are perfectly easy to cite. Also, Bosnia. Also Rwanda. Peaceniks were right in Vietnam, and in Iraq. Otherwise, not so clear cut.
Peaceniks can be wrong on occasion– a classic fictional example for Star Trek nerds would be the saintly Edith Keeler in a famous Star Trek time travel episode who inadvertently caused a Nazi victory. Nice going Edith.
Funny how you point to a fictional example, when WWII American Firsters are perfectly easy to cite. Also, Bosnia. Also Rwanda. Peaceniks were right in Vietnam, and in Iraq. Otherwise, not so clear cut.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party.
Maybe 1944-1946, but once the Iron Curtain rang down, we somehow “lost” China(I say there my good man, have you seen China lately?), and the Red Scare became the prevailing political orthodoxy, both major parties were on board. The one major breakdown was over Viet Nam, and that was, outside of hard(er) left types, an “end this war” movement, not an anti-imperialist (i.e., ideological end all capitalist wars) movement. Also, it was mostly an intraparty dispute.
For the most part, our post WW2 foreign policy has been a fully bipartisan effort.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party.
Maybe 1944-1946, but once the Iron Curtain rang down, we somehow “lost” China(I say there my good man, have you seen China lately?), and the Red Scare became the prevailing political orthodoxy, both major parties were on board. The one major breakdown was over Viet Nam, and that was, outside of hard(er) left types, an “end this war” movement, not an anti-imperialist (i.e., ideological end all capitalist wars) movement. Also, it was mostly an intraparty dispute.
For the most part, our post WW2 foreign policy has been a fully bipartisan effort.
but i don’t see when the Democratic was ever a peacenik party.
Maybe 1944-1946, but once the Iron Curtain rang down, we somehow “lost” China(I say there my good man, have you seen China lately?), and the Red Scare became the prevailing political orthodoxy, both major parties were on board. The one major breakdown was over Viet Nam, and that was, outside of hard(er) left types, an “end this war” movement, not an anti-imperialist (i.e., ideological end all capitalist wars) movement. Also, it was mostly an intraparty dispute.
For the most part, our post WW2 foreign policy has been a fully bipartisan effort.
i got a shiny new dollar for everyone who hasn’t already made up their minds on that question.
I’ll take one also. I have some suspicions (not all that far), but I definitely haven’t made up my mind.
i got a shiny new dollar for everyone who hasn’t already made up their minds on that question.
I’ll take one also. I have some suspicions (not all that far), but I definitely haven’t made up my mind.
i got a shiny new dollar for everyone who hasn’t already made up their minds on that question.
I’ll take one also. I have some suspicions (not all that far), but I definitely haven’t made up my mind.
But who, in the end, doesn’t want peace?
Well, Trump (“I love war”) comes to mind. But he is merely an example of the chickenhawk mindset. There are people who love the idea of war (the glory! the valor!). As long as they don’t have to deal with the nasty reality (the wounded, the destruction) . . . especially getting hurt themselves. It’s definitely one of those things that looks more attractive from a distance.
But who, in the end, doesn’t want peace?
Well, Trump (“I love war”) comes to mind. But he is merely an example of the chickenhawk mindset. There are people who love the idea of war (the glory! the valor!). As long as they don’t have to deal with the nasty reality (the wounded, the destruction) . . . especially getting hurt themselves. It’s definitely one of those things that looks more attractive from a distance.
But who, in the end, doesn’t want peace?
Well, Trump (“I love war”) comes to mind. But he is merely an example of the chickenhawk mindset. There are people who love the idea of war (the glory! the valor!). As long as they don’t have to deal with the nasty reality (the wounded, the destruction) . . . especially getting hurt themselves. It’s definitely one of those things that looks more attractive from a distance.
Nigel,
Read about Gary Hart. He was one of those types. I feel the Atlantic article was interesting, but a bit overdrawn, IMHO.
Also recommended, “Listen Liberal” by T. Frank. He picks up similar themes, but places them in a bit later context (the onslaught of Reaganism if I recall correctly).
Regards,
Nigel,
Read about Gary Hart. He was one of those types. I feel the Atlantic article was interesting, but a bit overdrawn, IMHO.
Also recommended, “Listen Liberal” by T. Frank. He picks up similar themes, but places them in a bit later context (the onslaught of Reaganism if I recall correctly).
Regards,
Nigel,
Read about Gary Hart. He was one of those types. I feel the Atlantic article was interesting, but a bit overdrawn, IMHO.
Also recommended, “Listen Liberal” by T. Frank. He picks up similar themes, but places them in a bit later context (the onslaught of Reaganism if I recall correctly).
Regards,
Read about Gary Hart. He was one of those types.
You should provide some cites.
The Democratic party split over Vietnam. We had Nixon, Ford, then Carter, a Southern Democrat, who was a pragmatist. We then lost to Reagan (worst President ever, probably including W), and then Bush I. The Vietnam die-hards became Reagan Democrats.
Clinton wanted to get elected so that he could move the country to the left. And he did get elected, but the country freaked out enough to elect a Newt Gingrich Congress, with an extremist Republican agenda (remember – they shut the government down?). Yes, the Congress that impeached Clinton on his sexual peccadillos, you know, the Congress that was headed by serial philanderer Newt,and rapist of minor boys, Dennis Hastert. With the support of philanderer Henry Hyde.
So, yeah, Clinton, the third way triangulator. The one who brought people out of poverty. The one under whose administration the Internet became an economic powerhouse, and facilitator of free speech.
I’m so freaking tired of people running down Democrats who do what they have to do to make political progress. Frankly, it’s a huge bore.
Read about Gary Hart. He was one of those types.
You should provide some cites.
The Democratic party split over Vietnam. We had Nixon, Ford, then Carter, a Southern Democrat, who was a pragmatist. We then lost to Reagan (worst President ever, probably including W), and then Bush I. The Vietnam die-hards became Reagan Democrats.
Clinton wanted to get elected so that he could move the country to the left. And he did get elected, but the country freaked out enough to elect a Newt Gingrich Congress, with an extremist Republican agenda (remember – they shut the government down?). Yes, the Congress that impeached Clinton on his sexual peccadillos, you know, the Congress that was headed by serial philanderer Newt,and rapist of minor boys, Dennis Hastert. With the support of philanderer Henry Hyde.
So, yeah, Clinton, the third way triangulator. The one who brought people out of poverty. The one under whose administration the Internet became an economic powerhouse, and facilitator of free speech.
I’m so freaking tired of people running down Democrats who do what they have to do to make political progress. Frankly, it’s a huge bore.
Read about Gary Hart. He was one of those types.
You should provide some cites.
The Democratic party split over Vietnam. We had Nixon, Ford, then Carter, a Southern Democrat, who was a pragmatist. We then lost to Reagan (worst President ever, probably including W), and then Bush I. The Vietnam die-hards became Reagan Democrats.
Clinton wanted to get elected so that he could move the country to the left. And he did get elected, but the country freaked out enough to elect a Newt Gingrich Congress, with an extremist Republican agenda (remember – they shut the government down?). Yes, the Congress that impeached Clinton on his sexual peccadillos, you know, the Congress that was headed by serial philanderer Newt,and rapist of minor boys, Dennis Hastert. With the support of philanderer Henry Hyde.
So, yeah, Clinton, the third way triangulator. The one who brought people out of poverty. The one under whose administration the Internet became an economic powerhouse, and facilitator of free speech.
I’m so freaking tired of people running down Democrats who do what they have to do to make political progress. Frankly, it’s a huge bore.
worst President ever
I confess I have developed a knee jerk reaction. When someone (right or left) uses a term like this, either they’re engaging in serious hyperbole (and whatever else they say should accordingly be heavily discounted). Or they are massively ignorant of history (and whatever else they say should be totally ignored).
You can make an argument for any particular president having been bad (or good). But nobody in the past century can hold a candle, when it comes to terrible (or corrupt, if you evaluate that separately), with at least a couple of 19th century examples. Buchanan and Harding being the obvious ones.
Just sayin’
worst President ever
I confess I have developed a knee jerk reaction. When someone (right or left) uses a term like this, either they’re engaging in serious hyperbole (and whatever else they say should accordingly be heavily discounted). Or they are massively ignorant of history (and whatever else they say should be totally ignored).
You can make an argument for any particular president having been bad (or good). But nobody in the past century can hold a candle, when it comes to terrible (or corrupt, if you evaluate that separately), with at least a couple of 19th century examples. Buchanan and Harding being the obvious ones.
Just sayin’
worst President ever
I confess I have developed a knee jerk reaction. When someone (right or left) uses a term like this, either they’re engaging in serious hyperbole (and whatever else they say should accordingly be heavily discounted). Or they are massively ignorant of history (and whatever else they say should be totally ignored).
You can make an argument for any particular president having been bad (or good). But nobody in the past century can hold a candle, when it comes to terrible (or corrupt, if you evaluate that separately), with at least a couple of 19th century examples. Buchanan and Harding being the obvious ones.
Just sayin’
Also, HTH…
Was this supposed to be addressing me (“hope that helps” doesn’t seem to fit the context)?
“How the hell”, as in “how the hell do you get from an article pointing to negative impacts of widespread false reporting of atrocities to a claim that the article was attributing those impacts to accurate reporting of atrocities”. I wasn’t thinking of common acronyms hereabouts when I waxed vaguely prudish.
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Clinton wanted to get elected so that he could move the country to the left. And he did get elected, but the country freaked out enough to elect a Newt Gingrich Congress, with an extremist Republican agenda
“To the left” is a meaningless statement in a vacuum. Left of H.W. leaves plenty of room on the center-right. Try harder. And while you’re at it, if you want to argue I’m misrepresenting this point, do recall you’ll need to explain why Clinton didn’t achieve all the leftism his leftist heart had left during the first two years of his administration. You know, before the Contract With America.
…the Congress that was headed by serial philanderer Newt,and rapist of minor boys, Dennis Hastert. With the support of philanderer Henry Hyde.
…always a good sign when attacks on the character of someone’s opponents characters feature heavily in a defense of a politician’s policies.
So, yeah, Clinton, the third way triangulator.
Indeed.
The one who brought people out of poverty.
…via the welfare reform bill he signed, or the crime bill he (and Hillary) vocally supported and signed? Very pragmatism, much leftist, wow.
The one under whose administration the Internet became an economic powerhouse, and facilitator of free speech.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
I’m so freaking tired of people running down Democrats who do what they have to do to make political progress. Frankly, it’s a huge bore.
Trust me, it’s not as bad as seeing people endlessly argue that “political progress” is a worthy goal in itself without deigning to mention precisely what that progress is leading towards, and instead imputing that anyone who doesn’t implicitly trust leaders by virtue of the letters after their name is a useful idiot for the Other Team – or worse, apparently, a bore.
Also, HTH…
Was this supposed to be addressing me (“hope that helps” doesn’t seem to fit the context)?
“How the hell”, as in “how the hell do you get from an article pointing to negative impacts of widespread false reporting of atrocities to a claim that the article was attributing those impacts to accurate reporting of atrocities”. I wasn’t thinking of common acronyms hereabouts when I waxed vaguely prudish.
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Clinton wanted to get elected so that he could move the country to the left. And he did get elected, but the country freaked out enough to elect a Newt Gingrich Congress, with an extremist Republican agenda
“To the left” is a meaningless statement in a vacuum. Left of H.W. leaves plenty of room on the center-right. Try harder. And while you’re at it, if you want to argue I’m misrepresenting this point, do recall you’ll need to explain why Clinton didn’t achieve all the leftism his leftist heart had left during the first two years of his administration. You know, before the Contract With America.
…the Congress that was headed by serial philanderer Newt,and rapist of minor boys, Dennis Hastert. With the support of philanderer Henry Hyde.
…always a good sign when attacks on the character of someone’s opponents characters feature heavily in a defense of a politician’s policies.
So, yeah, Clinton, the third way triangulator.
Indeed.
The one who brought people out of poverty.
…via the welfare reform bill he signed, or the crime bill he (and Hillary) vocally supported and signed? Very pragmatism, much leftist, wow.
The one under whose administration the Internet became an economic powerhouse, and facilitator of free speech.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
I’m so freaking tired of people running down Democrats who do what they have to do to make political progress. Frankly, it’s a huge bore.
Trust me, it’s not as bad as seeing people endlessly argue that “political progress” is a worthy goal in itself without deigning to mention precisely what that progress is leading towards, and instead imputing that anyone who doesn’t implicitly trust leaders by virtue of the letters after their name is a useful idiot for the Other Team – or worse, apparently, a bore.
Also, HTH…
Was this supposed to be addressing me (“hope that helps” doesn’t seem to fit the context)?
“How the hell”, as in “how the hell do you get from an article pointing to negative impacts of widespread false reporting of atrocities to a claim that the article was attributing those impacts to accurate reporting of atrocities”. I wasn’t thinking of common acronyms hereabouts when I waxed vaguely prudish.
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Clinton wanted to get elected so that he could move the country to the left. And he did get elected, but the country freaked out enough to elect a Newt Gingrich Congress, with an extremist Republican agenda
“To the left” is a meaningless statement in a vacuum. Left of H.W. leaves plenty of room on the center-right. Try harder. And while you’re at it, if you want to argue I’m misrepresenting this point, do recall you’ll need to explain why Clinton didn’t achieve all the leftism his leftist heart had left during the first two years of his administration. You know, before the Contract With America.
…the Congress that was headed by serial philanderer Newt,and rapist of minor boys, Dennis Hastert. With the support of philanderer Henry Hyde.
…always a good sign when attacks on the character of someone’s opponents characters feature heavily in a defense of a politician’s policies.
So, yeah, Clinton, the third way triangulator.
Indeed.
The one who brought people out of poverty.
…via the welfare reform bill he signed, or the crime bill he (and Hillary) vocally supported and signed? Very pragmatism, much leftist, wow.
The one under whose administration the Internet became an economic powerhouse, and facilitator of free speech.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
I’m so freaking tired of people running down Democrats who do what they have to do to make political progress. Frankly, it’s a huge bore.
Trust me, it’s not as bad as seeing people endlessly argue that “political progress” is a worthy goal in itself without deigning to mention precisely what that progress is leading towards, and instead imputing that anyone who doesn’t implicitly trust leaders by virtue of the letters after their name is a useful idiot for the Other Team – or worse, apparently, a bore.
NV, There are millions of young back men who have three meals a day, a roof over their head, a gym membership and a job to go to everyday because oh Clinton’s crime Bill. That was certainly a way to reduce poverty and unemployment.
NV, There are millions of young back men who have three meals a day, a roof over their head, a gym membership and a job to go to everyday because oh Clinton’s crime Bill. That was certainly a way to reduce poverty and unemployment.
NV, There are millions of young back men who have three meals a day, a roof over their head, a gym membership and a job to go to everyday because oh Clinton’s crime Bill. That was certainly a way to reduce poverty and unemployment.
I remember the day Hillary signed that bill like it was yesterday…
I remember the day Hillary signed that bill like it was yesterday…
I remember the day Hillary signed that bill like it was yesterday…
I had to read Marty’s comment twice before I started laughing. That was funny.
Now another link–
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/syria-washington-obama-iraq-middle-east-intervention-assad-isis/505202/
So for our DC crowd the invasion of Iraq was a distant historical episode whose chief significance was it made us reluctant to intervene in the Middle East. And sure, we didn’t intervene in Syria, because arming moderate rebels, some of whom later ally with Al Qaeda, doesn’t count. Intervening from all sides has made the war escalate– an armed revolt against Assad was almost guaranteed to do so despite all the predictions he would quickly fall. But the lesson drawn by our DC foreign policy experts is that the Iraq War made us too skittish about intervening. Black is white and intervention was not intervening.
Welcome to the Clinton Administration. And yes, I prefer her to Trump. There is at least a chance she will be constrained by facts and those nothingburger wikileaks show that she knows creating a no fly zone involves killing a lot of Syrian civilians.
I had to read Marty’s comment twice before I started laughing. That was funny.
Now another link–
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/syria-washington-obama-iraq-middle-east-intervention-assad-isis/505202/
So for our DC crowd the invasion of Iraq was a distant historical episode whose chief significance was it made us reluctant to intervene in the Middle East. And sure, we didn’t intervene in Syria, because arming moderate rebels, some of whom later ally with Al Qaeda, doesn’t count. Intervening from all sides has made the war escalate– an armed revolt against Assad was almost guaranteed to do so despite all the predictions he would quickly fall. But the lesson drawn by our DC foreign policy experts is that the Iraq War made us too skittish about intervening. Black is white and intervention was not intervening.
Welcome to the Clinton Administration. And yes, I prefer her to Trump. There is at least a chance she will be constrained by facts and those nothingburger wikileaks show that she knows creating a no fly zone involves killing a lot of Syrian civilians.
I had to read Marty’s comment twice before I started laughing. That was funny.
Now another link–
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/syria-washington-obama-iraq-middle-east-intervention-assad-isis/505202/
So for our DC crowd the invasion of Iraq was a distant historical episode whose chief significance was it made us reluctant to intervene in the Middle East. And sure, we didn’t intervene in Syria, because arming moderate rebels, some of whom later ally with Al Qaeda, doesn’t count. Intervening from all sides has made the war escalate– an armed revolt against Assad was almost guaranteed to do so despite all the predictions he would quickly fall. But the lesson drawn by our DC foreign policy experts is that the Iraq War made us too skittish about intervening. Black is white and intervention was not intervening.
Welcome to the Clinton Administration. And yes, I prefer her to Trump. There is at least a chance she will be constrained by facts and those nothingburger wikileaks show that she knows creating a no fly zone involves killing a lot of Syrian civilians.
On the 90’s, the Clintons weren’t old fashioned liberals pretending to be DOC types. They were DLC types, friendly to Wall Street after Bill’s initial resentment about fornicating bond traders. Tom Friedman was the dispenser of wisdom and journalistic cheerleader for that ideology, where the financial markets are the infallible judges who put a golden straitjacket on what government can do and he still fondly hopes Hillary is with him.
On the 90’s, the Clintons weren’t old fashioned liberals pretending to be DOC types. They were DLC types, friendly to Wall Street after Bill’s initial resentment about fornicating bond traders. Tom Friedman was the dispenser of wisdom and journalistic cheerleader for that ideology, where the financial markets are the infallible judges who put a golden straitjacket on what government can do and he still fondly hopes Hillary is with him.
On the 90’s, the Clintons weren’t old fashioned liberals pretending to be DOC types. They were DLC types, friendly to Wall Street after Bill’s initial resentment about fornicating bond traders. Tom Friedman was the dispenser of wisdom and journalistic cheerleader for that ideology, where the financial markets are the infallible judges who put a golden straitjacket on what government can do and he still fondly hopes Hillary is with him.
Sapient, I cited a fictional example to be funny– peaceniks were wrong on WWII. Lindbergh(spelling?) for example. Usually they are right and the list is a lot longer than Iraq and Vietnam when you include all the wars by proxy (Yemen right now, for example) and support for brutal dictators or “freedom fighters”. And I wouldn’t be so sure that the Balkans were a total success or that there wasn’t some hypocrisy there too. Rwanda is a case where mass slaughter was actually happening– I don’t recall peaceniks demonstrating against intervention there, though as it happens there are some kooks on the far left with views on that. Debate about Rwanda to the extent I have seen any was on practicality. Stopping an undoing genocide is a bit different from jumping into a civil war, but subtleties like that often elude the heroic Western advocates of R2P.
Liberak humanitarianism is largely phony because they consistently spend time demanding that we intervene in very dubious ways while deliberately ignoring the cases where we could do some good by not actively supporting people who commit atrocities. Yemen is a classic example. I can’t think of a single pundit who has criticized Obama for not intervening in Syria ( a lie, btw) who has said anything about Yemen. There is something else driving the call for intervention. Several different things, not all the same for different people.
Sapient, I cited a fictional example to be funny– peaceniks were wrong on WWII. Lindbergh(spelling?) for example. Usually they are right and the list is a lot longer than Iraq and Vietnam when you include all the wars by proxy (Yemen right now, for example) and support for brutal dictators or “freedom fighters”. And I wouldn’t be so sure that the Balkans were a total success or that there wasn’t some hypocrisy there too. Rwanda is a case where mass slaughter was actually happening– I don’t recall peaceniks demonstrating against intervention there, though as it happens there are some kooks on the far left with views on that. Debate about Rwanda to the extent I have seen any was on practicality. Stopping an undoing genocide is a bit different from jumping into a civil war, but subtleties like that often elude the heroic Western advocates of R2P.
Liberak humanitarianism is largely phony because they consistently spend time demanding that we intervene in very dubious ways while deliberately ignoring the cases where we could do some good by not actively supporting people who commit atrocities. Yemen is a classic example. I can’t think of a single pundit who has criticized Obama for not intervening in Syria ( a lie, btw) who has said anything about Yemen. There is something else driving the call for intervention. Several different things, not all the same for different people.
Sapient, I cited a fictional example to be funny– peaceniks were wrong on WWII. Lindbergh(spelling?) for example. Usually they are right and the list is a lot longer than Iraq and Vietnam when you include all the wars by proxy (Yemen right now, for example) and support for brutal dictators or “freedom fighters”. And I wouldn’t be so sure that the Balkans were a total success or that there wasn’t some hypocrisy there too. Rwanda is a case where mass slaughter was actually happening– I don’t recall peaceniks demonstrating against intervention there, though as it happens there are some kooks on the far left with views on that. Debate about Rwanda to the extent I have seen any was on practicality. Stopping an undoing genocide is a bit different from jumping into a civil war, but subtleties like that often elude the heroic Western advocates of R2P.
Liberak humanitarianism is largely phony because they consistently spend time demanding that we intervene in very dubious ways while deliberately ignoring the cases where we could do some good by not actively supporting people who commit atrocities. Yemen is a classic example. I can’t think of a single pundit who has criticized Obama for not intervening in Syria ( a lie, btw) who has said anything about Yemen. There is something else driving the call for intervention. Several different things, not all the same for different people.
Ongoing genocide, not undoing. Spellcheck strikes again.
Ongoing genocide, not undoing. Spellcheck strikes again.
Ongoing genocide, not undoing. Spellcheck strikes again.
Try harder.
I’m not going to try harder with you, NV. Nothing will make you happy until we have a political revolution! Whatever that means.
Try harder.
I’m not going to try harder with you, NV. Nothing will make you happy until we have a political revolution! Whatever that means.
Try harder.
I’m not going to try harder with you, NV. Nothing will make you happy until we have a political revolution! Whatever that means.
remember, nobody is voting for Clinton. they’re all voting against Trump.
https://twitter.com/nickgourevitch/status/790514518719860736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
remember, nobody is voting for Clinton. they’re all voting against Trump.
https://twitter.com/nickgourevitch/status/790514518719860736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
remember, nobody is voting for Clinton. they’re all voting against Trump.
https://twitter.com/nickgourevitch/status/790514518719860736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Ugh, if exposing a female breast anywhere, anytime is a constitutional right, fine by me. I wish they’d found this right 50 years ago. Will dress codes at work and in restaurants be enforceable after this ruling? Fun stuff when fringe stuff like this gets constitutional protection but political speech is under fire. Yay for progress!!
I’m not going to try harder with you, NV. Nothing will make you happy until we have a political revolution! Whatever that means.
NV and I disagree on just about every substantive issue there is except–guessing here, traditional civil liberties–but where he differs from Sapient is he lacks the slavish, uncritical regard for all things Democratic. He is a lefty who cares who speaks for the left. As a righty who feels the same way on the right, I get and respect where he is coming from. I also get and respect that he doesn’t bend.
Sapient is an articulate apparatchik. He is no different in kind than those on the right who bend and contort as a part of their daily routine.
If NV were to vote for HRC–I’m mind-reading shamelessly here–it would be because he believed Trump had enough of a chance in his state that his vote might weigh in the balance. But, he’d be holding his nose. I have no issue with nose-holders on either side, even if I can’t bring myself to pull the lever for either major candidate.
Ugh, if exposing a female breast anywhere, anytime is a constitutional right, fine by me. I wish they’d found this right 50 years ago. Will dress codes at work and in restaurants be enforceable after this ruling? Fun stuff when fringe stuff like this gets constitutional protection but political speech is under fire. Yay for progress!!
I’m not going to try harder with you, NV. Nothing will make you happy until we have a political revolution! Whatever that means.
NV and I disagree on just about every substantive issue there is except–guessing here, traditional civil liberties–but where he differs from Sapient is he lacks the slavish, uncritical regard for all things Democratic. He is a lefty who cares who speaks for the left. As a righty who feels the same way on the right, I get and respect where he is coming from. I also get and respect that he doesn’t bend.
Sapient is an articulate apparatchik. He is no different in kind than those on the right who bend and contort as a part of their daily routine.
If NV were to vote for HRC–I’m mind-reading shamelessly here–it would be because he believed Trump had enough of a chance in his state that his vote might weigh in the balance. But, he’d be holding his nose. I have no issue with nose-holders on either side, even if I can’t bring myself to pull the lever for either major candidate.
Ugh, if exposing a female breast anywhere, anytime is a constitutional right, fine by me. I wish they’d found this right 50 years ago. Will dress codes at work and in restaurants be enforceable after this ruling? Fun stuff when fringe stuff like this gets constitutional protection but political speech is under fire. Yay for progress!!
I’m not going to try harder with you, NV. Nothing will make you happy until we have a political revolution! Whatever that means.
NV and I disagree on just about every substantive issue there is except–guessing here, traditional civil liberties–but where he differs from Sapient is he lacks the slavish, uncritical regard for all things Democratic. He is a lefty who cares who speaks for the left. As a righty who feels the same way on the right, I get and respect where he is coming from. I also get and respect that he doesn’t bend.
Sapient is an articulate apparatchik. He is no different in kind than those on the right who bend and contort as a part of their daily routine.
If NV were to vote for HRC–I’m mind-reading shamelessly here–it would be because he believed Trump had enough of a chance in his state that his vote might weigh in the balance. But, he’d be holding his nose. I have no issue with nose-holders on either side, even if I can’t bring myself to pull the lever for either major candidate.
Ugh, if exposing a female breast anywhere, anytime is a constitutional right, fine by me. I wish they’d found this right 50 years ago. Will dress codes at work and in restaurants be enforceable after this ruling?
The Constitutional right at issue is to be free from government imposed gender-based distinctions enforced under color of law. This case is a particular application of that right.
As you full well know (or should), it has nothing to do with private action and, even if it did, since workplaces and restaurants generally require BOTH men and women to wear, to use this particular example, shirts, it wouldn’t be a problem.
I agree with the rest of your 10:46 am comment.
Ugh, if exposing a female breast anywhere, anytime is a constitutional right, fine by me. I wish they’d found this right 50 years ago. Will dress codes at work and in restaurants be enforceable after this ruling?
The Constitutional right at issue is to be free from government imposed gender-based distinctions enforced under color of law. This case is a particular application of that right.
As you full well know (or should), it has nothing to do with private action and, even if it did, since workplaces and restaurants generally require BOTH men and women to wear, to use this particular example, shirts, it wouldn’t be a problem.
I agree with the rest of your 10:46 am comment.
Ugh, if exposing a female breast anywhere, anytime is a constitutional right, fine by me. I wish they’d found this right 50 years ago. Will dress codes at work and in restaurants be enforceable after this ruling?
The Constitutional right at issue is to be free from government imposed gender-based distinctions enforced under color of law. This case is a particular application of that right.
As you full well know (or should), it has nothing to do with private action and, even if it did, since workplaces and restaurants generally require BOTH men and women to wear, to use this particular example, shirts, it wouldn’t be a problem.
I agree with the rest of your 10:46 am comment.
I remember the day Hillary signed that bill like it was yesterday…
The paranthetical applied to her strong advocacy of it. I debated making a complex clause even more complex by stipulating that she did not sign it, but figured I didn’t need to. Alas.
I remember the day Hillary signed that bill like it was yesterday…
The paranthetical applied to her strong advocacy of it. I debated making a complex clause even more complex by stipulating that she did not sign it, but figured I didn’t need to. Alas.
I remember the day Hillary signed that bill like it was yesterday…
The paranthetical applied to her strong advocacy of it. I debated making a complex clause even more complex by stipulating that she did not sign it, but figured I didn’t need to. Alas.
And I was mostly reacting to Marty.
And I was mostly reacting to Marty.
And I was mostly reacting to Marty.
“Reasonable” and “sane” GOPers like Ryan and Pence are on board with this, or at least I’ve not seen where they’re not. It’s Ryan’s state so he has no excuse.
Today’s GOP: the party of vote suppression and torture. The Democratic equivalents are?
“Reasonable” and “sane” GOPers like Ryan and Pence are on board with this, or at least I’ve not seen where they’re not. It’s Ryan’s state so he has no excuse.
Today’s GOP: the party of vote suppression and torture. The Democratic equivalents are?
“Reasonable” and “sane” GOPers like Ryan and Pence are on board with this, or at least I’ve not seen where they’re not. It’s Ryan’s state so he has no excuse.
Today’s GOP: the party of vote suppression and torture. The Democratic equivalents are?
If I were the students, I would have set up LOTS of tables around campus, for weeks, to get fellow students on board with mail balloting. Not an excuse for what was done; just a pragmatic response to it. (And it might even have resulted in some changes in the city government….)
If I were the students, I would have set up LOTS of tables around campus, for weeks, to get fellow students on board with mail balloting. Not an excuse for what was done; just a pragmatic response to it. (And it might even have resulted in some changes in the city government….)
If I were the students, I would have set up LOTS of tables around campus, for weeks, to get fellow students on board with mail balloting. Not an excuse for what was done; just a pragmatic response to it. (And it might even have resulted in some changes in the city government….)
https://www.facebook.com/whochainsyou/videos/vb.978812565570678/1081526795299254/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video_explicit¬if_id=1477418405794421
Since this seems to be a thread to talk about whatever, this is a FB ad made by my publisher. Yes, I who cannot type, produced an entire book. And I am going to brag: Kirkus Review listed it as one of the best books they reviewed in 2015. It is a collection of of short stories. I did find three typos post-publishing and have to go get those corrected. The collection includes “The CHristmas Rats” which LJ was kind enought o post here sevearl years ago. I am donating any money I make to Safe Haven Kennels, a sancutary for unadoptabel dogs because they took in eleven dogs from a hoarding situation and will care for them for the rest of their lives.
https://www.facebook.com/whochainsyou/videos/vb.978812565570678/1081526795299254/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video_explicit¬if_id=1477418405794421
Since this seems to be a thread to talk about whatever, this is a FB ad made by my publisher. Yes, I who cannot type, produced an entire book. And I am going to brag: Kirkus Review listed it as one of the best books they reviewed in 2015. It is a collection of of short stories. I did find three typos post-publishing and have to go get those corrected. The collection includes “The CHristmas Rats” which LJ was kind enought o post here sevearl years ago. I am donating any money I make to Safe Haven Kennels, a sancutary for unadoptabel dogs because they took in eleven dogs from a hoarding situation and will care for them for the rest of their lives.
https://www.facebook.com/whochainsyou/videos/vb.978812565570678/1081526795299254/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video_explicit¬if_id=1477418405794421
Since this seems to be a thread to talk about whatever, this is a FB ad made by my publisher. Yes, I who cannot type, produced an entire book. And I am going to brag: Kirkus Review listed it as one of the best books they reviewed in 2015. It is a collection of of short stories. I did find three typos post-publishing and have to go get those corrected. The collection includes “The CHristmas Rats” which LJ was kind enought o post here sevearl years ago. I am donating any money I make to Safe Haven Kennels, a sancutary for unadoptabel dogs because they took in eleven dogs from a hoarding situation and will care for them for the rest of their lives.
I want to see the document to verify she did not sign it. I will suggest that, as many times as she has used her time as First Lady as part of her experience, it is not a stretch to hold her somewhat accountable for those actions.
I want to see the document to verify she did not sign it. I will suggest that, as many times as she has used her time as First Lady as part of her experience, it is not a stretch to hold her somewhat accountable for those actions.
I want to see the document to verify she did not sign it. I will suggest that, as many times as she has used her time as First Lady as part of her experience, it is not a stretch to hold her somewhat accountable for those actions.
https://www.facebook.com/whochainsyou/videos/vb.978812565570678/1081526795299254/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video_explicit¬if_id=1477418405794421
The other link didn;t work so I hope this one does.
https://www.facebook.com/whochainsyou/videos/vb.978812565570678/1081526795299254/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video_explicit¬if_id=1477418405794421
The other link didn;t work so I hope this one does.
https://www.facebook.com/whochainsyou/videos/vb.978812565570678/1081526795299254/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video_explicit¬if_id=1477418405794421
The other link didn;t work so I hope this one does.
It works if you open in a new window.
It works if you open in a new window.
It works if you open in a new window.
wow, awesome, wonkie!
wow, awesome, wonkie!
wow, awesome, wonkie!
Mail balloting looks to be a pain in WI. It’s only valid for a year unless you can certify that you are unable to go to the polls because of age or infirmity. The application is also chock full o’ technicalities that could get an application thrown out if the Municipal Clerk is so inclined.
That and it is also subject to the same WI ID restrictions that have come under such fire from civil libertarians.
Mail balloting looks to be a pain in WI. It’s only valid for a year unless you can certify that you are unable to go to the polls because of age or infirmity. The application is also chock full o’ technicalities that could get an application thrown out if the Municipal Clerk is so inclined.
That and it is also subject to the same WI ID restrictions that have come under such fire from civil libertarians.
Mail balloting looks to be a pain in WI. It’s only valid for a year unless you can certify that you are unable to go to the polls because of age or infirmity. The application is also chock full o’ technicalities that could get an application thrown out if the Municipal Clerk is so inclined.
That and it is also subject to the same WI ID restrictions that have come under such fire from civil libertarians.
Can’t wait to read it, wonkie. Congrats on the accolades!
Can’t wait to read it, wonkie. Congrats on the accolades!
Can’t wait to read it, wonkie. Congrats on the accolades!
I guess I get spoiled, living in a state which has made it into the 20th century when it comes to mail balloting.
I wonder if the Wisconsin law that talks about “due to age or infirmity” actually specifies advanced age. Or could the students argue (probably in court) that their youthful age is a valid impediment, too? Whimsical, I know, but….
I guess I get spoiled, living in a state which has made it into the 20th century when it comes to mail balloting.
I wonder if the Wisconsin law that talks about “due to age or infirmity” actually specifies advanced age. Or could the students argue (probably in court) that their youthful age is a valid impediment, too? Whimsical, I know, but….
I guess I get spoiled, living in a state which has made it into the 20th century when it comes to mail balloting.
I wonder if the Wisconsin law that talks about “due to age or infirmity” actually specifies advanced age. Or could the students argue (probably in court) that their youthful age is a valid impediment, too? Whimsical, I know, but….
Well thank you anyone who buys it. Warning: most of the stories are sad.Well life for marginalized people is mostly sad. But thank you and the dogs are thankful, too.
Well thank you anyone who buys it. Warning: most of the stories are sad.Well life for marginalized people is mostly sad. But thank you and the dogs are thankful, too.
Well thank you anyone who buys it. Warning: most of the stories are sad.Well life for marginalized people is mostly sad. But thank you and the dogs are thankful, too.
Interesting psychological insight into Trump gained from extensive taped interviews now handed over to the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/politics/donald-trump-interviews.html?_r=0
Supports what I have long felt intuitively: that being humiliated as he was by Obama at the White House Correspondents Dinner that time was a huge element of his determination to run. He wanted to be the one up there making his enemies look ridiculous.
Interesting psychological insight into Trump gained from extensive taped interviews now handed over to the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/politics/donald-trump-interviews.html?_r=0
Supports what I have long felt intuitively: that being humiliated as he was by Obama at the White House Correspondents Dinner that time was a huge element of his determination to run. He wanted to be the one up there making his enemies look ridiculous.
Interesting psychological insight into Trump gained from extensive taped interviews now handed over to the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/politics/donald-trump-interviews.html?_r=0
Supports what I have long felt intuitively: that being humiliated as he was by Obama at the White House Correspondents Dinner that time was a huge element of his determination to run. He wanted to be the one up there making his enemies look ridiculous.
If you weren’t around when I posted Wonkie’s story, it’s here
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2013/03/christmas-rats.html
Wonkie is far too modest, here is the website
http://whochainsyou.com/books.html
If you weren’t around when I posted Wonkie’s story, it’s here
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2013/03/christmas-rats.html
Wonkie is far too modest, here is the website
http://whochainsyou.com/books.html
If you weren’t around when I posted Wonkie’s story, it’s here
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2013/03/christmas-rats.html
Wonkie is far too modest, here is the website
http://whochainsyou.com/books.html
Yes, I who cannot type, produced an entire book.
I must say, your printing is quite neat. Hats off to you, and yes, a very good cause.
Yes, I who cannot type, produced an entire book.
I must say, your printing is quite neat. Hats off to you, and yes, a very good cause.
Yes, I who cannot type, produced an entire book.
I must say, your printing is quite neat. Hats off to you, and yes, a very good cause.
Thank you, LJ. BTW I published under a fake name because I did steal a dog. So…thanks again.
Thank you, LJ. BTW I published under a fake name because I did steal a dog. So…thanks again.
Thank you, LJ. BTW I published under a fake name because I did steal a dog. So…thanks again.
I did steal a dog.
You’re amazing. Thank you for that. I think we’re veering toward humane treatment of animals – in this country, anyway. Every step …
I did steal a dog.
You’re amazing. Thank you for that. I think we’re veering toward humane treatment of animals – in this country, anyway. Every step …
I did steal a dog.
You’re amazing. Thank you for that. I think we’re veering toward humane treatment of animals – in this country, anyway. Every step …
“peaceniks were wrong on WWII. Lindbergh(spelling?) for example.”
Calling a pro-Nazi fucknugget like Lindbergh a peacenik seems a bit of a stretch.
“peaceniks were wrong on WWII. Lindbergh(spelling?) for example.”
Calling a pro-Nazi fucknugget like Lindbergh a peacenik seems a bit of a stretch.
“peaceniks were wrong on WWII. Lindbergh(spelling?) for example.”
Calling a pro-Nazi fucknugget like Lindbergh a peacenik seems a bit of a stretch.
Pro-Putin “peaceniks” are also a little sketchy. Not that I’m accusing any peacenik present of that. Military policy isn’t always about war versus peace.
Pro-Putin “peaceniks” are also a little sketchy. Not that I’m accusing any peacenik present of that. Military policy isn’t always about war versus peace.
Pro-Putin “peaceniks” are also a little sketchy. Not that I’m accusing any peacenik present of that. Military policy isn’t always about war versus peace.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
Congratulations, wonkie.
In reference to your typing skills, Truman Capote famously tossed out this bon mot on a talk show about Jack Kerouac’s chops, the author of On The Road, among other works: “It’s not writing, it’ s typing.”
Not a shot I agree with, at least when it comes to “On The Road”, but if it makes you feel any better about your typing, I bet Kerouac stole a dog at one time or another as well.
I’ d like to see Capote try typing on an iPad.
I’ d like to see Capote try typing on an iPad.
I’ d like to see Capote try typing on an iPad.
wonkie, that is a beautiful story. I was lurking on ObWi at the time lj first posted it, but I don’t remember reading it – perhaps I was away without electronic means, because I would surely remember it otherwise. Congratulations.
wonkie, that is a beautiful story. I was lurking on ObWi at the time lj first posted it, but I don’t remember reading it – perhaps I was away without electronic means, because I would surely remember it otherwise. Congratulations.
wonkie, that is a beautiful story. I was lurking on ObWi at the time lj first posted it, but I don’t remember reading it – perhaps I was away without electronic means, because I would surely remember it otherwise. Congratulations.
to my amazement I have been posting here for fourteen years. How did that happen?
Anyway thank you everyone. Maye someday we can have an open thread where we share stuff we do (besides obsess about politics) because I’m pretty sure this is an accomplished group of folks who do all kinds of interesting things.
to my amazement I have been posting here for fourteen years. How did that happen?
Anyway thank you everyone. Maye someday we can have an open thread where we share stuff we do (besides obsess about politics) because I’m pretty sure this is an accomplished group of folks who do all kinds of interesting things.
to my amazement I have been posting here for fourteen years. How did that happen?
Anyway thank you everyone. Maye someday we can have an open thread where we share stuff we do (besides obsess about politics) because I’m pretty sure this is an accomplished group of folks who do all kinds of interesting things.
My guess is that at some point it’s going to be necessary to have a serious discussion about whether children should be banned from playing full pads organized tackle football.
My guess is that at some point it’s going to be necessary to have a serious discussion about whether children should be banned from playing full pads organized tackle football.
My guess is that at some point it’s going to be necessary to have a serious discussion about whether children should be banned from playing full pads organized tackle football.
I think (American) football is going to start getting serious attention from child health advocates real soon. Followed, in microseconds, by outrage from those parents, in Texas and elsewhere (see Friday Night Tykes and Steel Country), who see it as just another attack on themselves and their culture.
But then, I’ve seen some things recently that suggest that soccer (“football” to the rest of the world) has similar, if smaller, problems. This, in Scientific American, suggests that there is a real problem. Especially for children, whose brains are still growing. So the coastal elites, who have been smug about their superior sport preference, may join the outrage.
Pretty clearly, basketball and baseball are far safer.
I think (American) football is going to start getting serious attention from child health advocates real soon. Followed, in microseconds, by outrage from those parents, in Texas and elsewhere (see Friday Night Tykes and Steel Country), who see it as just another attack on themselves and their culture.
But then, I’ve seen some things recently that suggest that soccer (“football” to the rest of the world) has similar, if smaller, problems. This, in Scientific American, suggests that there is a real problem. Especially for children, whose brains are still growing. So the coastal elites, who have been smug about their superior sport preference, may join the outrage.
Pretty clearly, basketball and baseball are far safer.
I think (American) football is going to start getting serious attention from child health advocates real soon. Followed, in microseconds, by outrage from those parents, in Texas and elsewhere (see Friday Night Tykes and Steel Country), who see it as just another attack on themselves and their culture.
But then, I’ve seen some things recently that suggest that soccer (“football” to the rest of the world) has similar, if smaller, problems. This, in Scientific American, suggests that there is a real problem. Especially for children, whose brains are still growing. So the coastal elites, who have been smug about their superior sport preference, may join the outrage.
Pretty clearly, basketball and baseball are far safer.
Yeah I had seen that about soccer too. The difference there is you can fix it by banning heading the ball in youth leagues and still play the game pretty much the same as it is now – at least for kids.
Tackle Football, I don’t know how you fix it and still keep the game recognizable – it seems to me you’d have to turn it into flag football (which I enjoyed much more than my one year of full pads tackle football, which was an awful experience).
Yeah I had seen that about soccer too. The difference there is you can fix it by banning heading the ball in youth leagues and still play the game pretty much the same as it is now – at least for kids.
Tackle Football, I don’t know how you fix it and still keep the game recognizable – it seems to me you’d have to turn it into flag football (which I enjoyed much more than my one year of full pads tackle football, which was an awful experience).
Yeah I had seen that about soccer too. The difference there is you can fix it by banning heading the ball in youth leagues and still play the game pretty much the same as it is now – at least for kids.
Tackle Football, I don’t know how you fix it and still keep the game recognizable – it seems to me you’d have to turn it into flag football (which I enjoyed much more than my one year of full pads tackle football, which was an awful experience).
I thought lacrosse was the superior support preference of the coastal elite, at least on the East Coast.
And IIRC it has a concussion problem as well.
I thought lacrosse was the superior support preference of the coastal elite, at least on the East Coast.
And IIRC it has a concussion problem as well.
I thought lacrosse was the superior support preference of the coastal elite, at least on the East Coast.
And IIRC it has a concussion problem as well.
even basketball has a problem, for girls:
even basketball has a problem, for girls:
even basketball has a problem, for girls:
The horrible evil crooked Hillary’s henchmen knows no bounds….
I am Ugh, and I disapprove of vandalism.
The horrible evil crooked Hillary’s henchmen knows no bounds….
I am Ugh, and I disapprove of vandalism.
The horrible evil crooked Hillary’s henchmen knows no bounds….
I am Ugh, and I disapprove of vandalism.
Although this description of the event is awesome:
The man “suddenly picked up the sledgehammer and started smashing the bejeezus out of the Trump star,” Mr. Patten said.
Just how Carl Spackler would have described it.
Although this description of the event is awesome:
The man “suddenly picked up the sledgehammer and started smashing the bejeezus out of the Trump star,” Mr. Patten said.
Just how Carl Spackler would have described it.
Although this description of the event is awesome:
The man “suddenly picked up the sledgehammer and started smashing the bejeezus out of the Trump star,” Mr. Patten said.
Just how Carl Spackler would have described it.
wonkie, an anthropology professor friend of mine posted a link to this on fb. I thought you, and others, might find it interesting.
wonkie, an anthropology professor friend of mine posted a link to this on fb. I thought you, and others, might find it interesting.
wonkie, an anthropology professor friend of mine posted a link to this on fb. I thought you, and others, might find it interesting.
I can’t imagine the chaos this would cause should it come to pass:
Thus, the bleakest possible scenario for Republicans isn’t that Trump loses badly and refuses to admit defeat. It’s that he rejects the notion that a fair election is even possible with him on the ticket, and announces he’s boycotting it. His supporters, only a small fraction of whom would have refused to vote for Trump turncoats down the ballot, stay home en masse instead. The Democrats take back the House.
That this is not an insanely far-fetched notion just shows how insane this Presidential election is.
I can’t imagine the chaos this would cause should it come to pass:
Thus, the bleakest possible scenario for Republicans isn’t that Trump loses badly and refuses to admit defeat. It’s that he rejects the notion that a fair election is even possible with him on the ticket, and announces he’s boycotting it. His supporters, only a small fraction of whom would have refused to vote for Trump turncoats down the ballot, stay home en masse instead. The Democrats take back the House.
That this is not an insanely far-fetched notion just shows how insane this Presidential election is.
I can’t imagine the chaos this would cause should it come to pass:
Thus, the bleakest possible scenario for Republicans isn’t that Trump loses badly and refuses to admit defeat. It’s that he rejects the notion that a fair election is even possible with him on the ticket, and announces he’s boycotting it. His supporters, only a small fraction of whom would have refused to vote for Trump turncoats down the ballot, stay home en masse instead. The Democrats take back the House.
That this is not an insanely far-fetched notion just shows how insane this Presidential election is.
I’m sure if Hillary gives the GOP just a few small wins at the beginning of her Presidency, unlike the Usurping Kenyan Tyrant currently in the White House, this can all be avoided.
I’m glad open minded sounding Jason “Target-Rich Environment” Chaffetz is leading the charge.
I’m sure if Hillary gives the GOP just a few small wins at the beginning of her Presidency, unlike the Usurping Kenyan Tyrant currently in the White House, this can all be avoided.
I’m glad open minded sounding Jason “Target-Rich Environment” Chaffetz is leading the charge.
I’m sure if Hillary gives the GOP just a few small wins at the beginning of her Presidency, unlike the Usurping Kenyan Tyrant currently in the White House, this can all be avoided.
I’m glad open minded sounding Jason “Target-Rich Environment” Chaffetz is leading the charge.
Calling Lindbergh a peacenik probably is sketchy. I’ve heard he was borderline pro-Nazi, but don’t know details or how fair that is. The fictional Star Trek example of Edith Keeler is actually a better one for sapient’s side of the argument, assuming that there were people like that in real life and I assume there were back in the 30’s (leaving aside the implausibility of someone running a soup kitchen in the depression having dreams of interstellar colonization and lecturing her guests on the subject). Anyway, she was the classic stereotype of a liberal disarming do-gooder and her success in the alternate time line led to a Nazi victory.
Anyone know of the names of some real life lefty disarmers in the 30’s? I imagine they existed, but don’t know enough about the period.
And now a practical look at the problems of imposing a no fly zone in Syria by some military guys–
http://warontherocks.com/2016/10/political-airpower-part-i-say-no-to-the-no-fly-zone/
Calling Lindbergh a peacenik probably is sketchy. I’ve heard he was borderline pro-Nazi, but don’t know details or how fair that is. The fictional Star Trek example of Edith Keeler is actually a better one for sapient’s side of the argument, assuming that there were people like that in real life and I assume there were back in the 30’s (leaving aside the implausibility of someone running a soup kitchen in the depression having dreams of interstellar colonization and lecturing her guests on the subject). Anyway, she was the classic stereotype of a liberal disarming do-gooder and her success in the alternate time line led to a Nazi victory.
Anyone know of the names of some real life lefty disarmers in the 30’s? I imagine they existed, but don’t know enough about the period.
And now a practical look at the problems of imposing a no fly zone in Syria by some military guys–
http://warontherocks.com/2016/10/political-airpower-part-i-say-no-to-the-no-fly-zone/
Calling Lindbergh a peacenik probably is sketchy. I’ve heard he was borderline pro-Nazi, but don’t know details or how fair that is. The fictional Star Trek example of Edith Keeler is actually a better one for sapient’s side of the argument, assuming that there were people like that in real life and I assume there were back in the 30’s (leaving aside the implausibility of someone running a soup kitchen in the depression having dreams of interstellar colonization and lecturing her guests on the subject). Anyway, she was the classic stereotype of a liberal disarming do-gooder and her success in the alternate time line led to a Nazi victory.
Anyone know of the names of some real life lefty disarmers in the 30’s? I imagine they existed, but don’t know enough about the period.
And now a practical look at the problems of imposing a no fly zone in Syria by some military guys–
http://warontherocks.com/2016/10/political-airpower-part-i-say-no-to-the-no-fly-zone/
Pro-Putin peaceniks exist–I see them in comment sections on far left blogs. Rightwing people too, of course Actually on the blogs I read I see more pro-Assad types. I don’t mind nuance–people should want to understand why some ( or the majority according to some) Syrians support Assad. But this goes beyond that. They adopt the Assad viewpoint in its entirety. They fall into the classic far left trap–you start out opposing some stupid immoral US policy and you end up as the mirror image of the people you oppose. You would think that after decades of lefty idiots idolizing various communist groups people would have learned you can oppose American thuggery without endorsing other thuggery, but it seems baked into the psychology of a certain subset of people on the far left.
Pro-Putin peaceniks exist–I see them in comment sections on far left blogs. Rightwing people too, of course Actually on the blogs I read I see more pro-Assad types. I don’t mind nuance–people should want to understand why some ( or the majority according to some) Syrians support Assad. But this goes beyond that. They adopt the Assad viewpoint in its entirety. They fall into the classic far left trap–you start out opposing some stupid immoral US policy and you end up as the mirror image of the people you oppose. You would think that after decades of lefty idiots idolizing various communist groups people would have learned you can oppose American thuggery without endorsing other thuggery, but it seems baked into the psychology of a certain subset of people on the far left.
Pro-Putin peaceniks exist–I see them in comment sections on far left blogs. Rightwing people too, of course Actually on the blogs I read I see more pro-Assad types. I don’t mind nuance–people should want to understand why some ( or the majority according to some) Syrians support Assad. But this goes beyond that. They adopt the Assad viewpoint in its entirety. They fall into the classic far left trap–you start out opposing some stupid immoral US policy and you end up as the mirror image of the people you oppose. You would think that after decades of lefty idiots idolizing various communist groups people would have learned you can oppose American thuggery without endorsing other thuggery, but it seems baked into the psychology of a certain subset of people on the far left.
Nigel,
Another take on Stoller’s article. It expresses succinctly my characterization of Stoller as “loopy”.
Don’t overlook the links…..
Thanks.
Nigel,
Another take on Stoller’s article. It expresses succinctly my characterization of Stoller as “loopy”.
Don’t overlook the links…..
Thanks.
Nigel,
Another take on Stoller’s article. It expresses succinctly my characterization of Stoller as “loopy”.
Don’t overlook the links…..
Thanks.
Cheers, bobby.
Reading the links, Stoller doesn’t seem so much ‘loopy’,as just as confused about the nature of the Democratic Party as everyone else.
From what I can gather, it’s possible that there isn’t, and probably hasn’t been, a single coherently explicable party during the period we’re talking about – and the coaltiion of interests necessary to any party in a system of two party national politics is significantly more fraught with contradictions than we’re used to in the UK ?
What interested me about the Stoller article was the narrower point about the anti-trust tradition (which in itself isn’t precisely a left/right issue).
I might just be confused myself, of course.
Cheers, bobby.
Reading the links, Stoller doesn’t seem so much ‘loopy’,as just as confused about the nature of the Democratic Party as everyone else.
From what I can gather, it’s possible that there isn’t, and probably hasn’t been, a single coherently explicable party during the period we’re talking about – and the coaltiion of interests necessary to any party in a system of two party national politics is significantly more fraught with contradictions than we’re used to in the UK ?
What interested me about the Stoller article was the narrower point about the anti-trust tradition (which in itself isn’t precisely a left/right issue).
I might just be confused myself, of course.
Cheers, bobby.
Reading the links, Stoller doesn’t seem so much ‘loopy’,as just as confused about the nature of the Democratic Party as everyone else.
From what I can gather, it’s possible that there isn’t, and probably hasn’t been, a single coherently explicable party during the period we’re talking about – and the coaltiion of interests necessary to any party in a system of two party national politics is significantly more fraught with contradictions than we’re used to in the UK ?
What interested me about the Stoller article was the narrower point about the anti-trust tradition (which in itself isn’t precisely a left/right issue).
I might just be confused myself, of course.
Looks like the next President is going to be heavily influenced by some corrupt dicatorship.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/26/at-hillary-clintons-favorite-think-tank-a-doubling-down-on-anti-iran-pro-saudi-policy/
Looks like the next President is going to be heavily influenced by some corrupt dicatorship.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/26/at-hillary-clintons-favorite-think-tank-a-doubling-down-on-anti-iran-pro-saudi-policy/
Looks like the next President is going to be heavily influenced by some corrupt dicatorship.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/26/at-hillary-clintons-favorite-think-tank-a-doubling-down-on-anti-iran-pro-saudi-policy/
From what I can gather, it’s possible that there isn’t, and probably hasn’t been, a single coherently explicable party during the period we’re talking about
As a proud Democratic party apparatchik (thanks, McKinney!), I will say that since the 1960’s, the Democrats have been a coalition devoted to addressing both racial and wealth inequality within the democratic system that we have, which means that they had to try to understand the zeitgeist. They “learned lessons” from many lost elections. In the case of Carter and Clinton, they were further right than many who voted for them (including me). But I understood (as I did when I voted for the losing candidates) that if any change would happen, it would be Democrats who would take us there.
So explicable? Yes. Move one foot forward, then the other foot, and see how far you can go.
Donald, I’m not reading the Intercept, no matter how much you pay me.
From what I can gather, it’s possible that there isn’t, and probably hasn’t been, a single coherently explicable party during the period we’re talking about
As a proud Democratic party apparatchik (thanks, McKinney!), I will say that since the 1960’s, the Democrats have been a coalition devoted to addressing both racial and wealth inequality within the democratic system that we have, which means that they had to try to understand the zeitgeist. They “learned lessons” from many lost elections. In the case of Carter and Clinton, they were further right than many who voted for them (including me). But I understood (as I did when I voted for the losing candidates) that if any change would happen, it would be Democrats who would take us there.
So explicable? Yes. Move one foot forward, then the other foot, and see how far you can go.
Donald, I’m not reading the Intercept, no matter how much you pay me.
From what I can gather, it’s possible that there isn’t, and probably hasn’t been, a single coherently explicable party during the period we’re talking about
As a proud Democratic party apparatchik (thanks, McKinney!), I will say that since the 1960’s, the Democrats have been a coalition devoted to addressing both racial and wealth inequality within the democratic system that we have, which means that they had to try to understand the zeitgeist. They “learned lessons” from many lost elections. In the case of Carter and Clinton, they were further right than many who voted for them (including me). But I understood (as I did when I voted for the losing candidates) that if any change would happen, it would be Democrats who would take us there.
So explicable? Yes. Move one foot forward, then the other foot, and see how far you can go.
Donald, I’m not reading the Intercept, no matter how much you pay me.
“the coalition of interests necessary to any party in a system of two party national politics is significantly more fraught with contradictions than we’re used to in the UK ?”
I would say this is likely true. It seems in the places where a coalition government is formed the contradictions are often obvious between the parties, and the coalitions aren’t necessarily lasting.
The challenge, we have discussed here in other words, is that the coalitions here need to be lasting to sustain a party structure. So trying to meld a broad range of ideas into a coherent face to the electorate is very difficult.
Also, the electorate chooses who they believe will most likely represent their goals, even when being told no one is. So the tents get crowded with people hoping to have a say.
To their benefit, the Democrats adopted the not religious stance(not antireligion, just clearly secular) purely in an attempt to broaden the tent after a few elections of not finding a base big enough to win, a way to be different that didn’t impact other parts of their coalition negatively.
While this left the Republicans the staunchly religious, it also let them be portrayed as non-inclusive. It also left the evangelicals and others who had been a major force in both parties only one place to play thus ramping up their sense of need to dominate the party left.
The question for each party is how long it takes them to understand the changes in the culture, and what hasn’t changed, and include those changes in their platforms and stances.
The biggest challenge for the electorate is that there is little chance to stem the tide of those changes with a minority party, or make them go faster with another minority party. I suspect, though I have no experience, that if minority parties in other countries begin to get traction for particular stances that ultimately drives the major parties to change.
“the coalition of interests necessary to any party in a system of two party national politics is significantly more fraught with contradictions than we’re used to in the UK ?”
I would say this is likely true. It seems in the places where a coalition government is formed the contradictions are often obvious between the parties, and the coalitions aren’t necessarily lasting.
The challenge, we have discussed here in other words, is that the coalitions here need to be lasting to sustain a party structure. So trying to meld a broad range of ideas into a coherent face to the electorate is very difficult.
Also, the electorate chooses who they believe will most likely represent their goals, even when being told no one is. So the tents get crowded with people hoping to have a say.
To their benefit, the Democrats adopted the not religious stance(not antireligion, just clearly secular) purely in an attempt to broaden the tent after a few elections of not finding a base big enough to win, a way to be different that didn’t impact other parts of their coalition negatively.
While this left the Republicans the staunchly religious, it also let them be portrayed as non-inclusive. It also left the evangelicals and others who had been a major force in both parties only one place to play thus ramping up their sense of need to dominate the party left.
The question for each party is how long it takes them to understand the changes in the culture, and what hasn’t changed, and include those changes in their platforms and stances.
The biggest challenge for the electorate is that there is little chance to stem the tide of those changes with a minority party, or make them go faster with another minority party. I suspect, though I have no experience, that if minority parties in other countries begin to get traction for particular stances that ultimately drives the major parties to change.
“the coalition of interests necessary to any party in a system of two party national politics is significantly more fraught with contradictions than we’re used to in the UK ?”
I would say this is likely true. It seems in the places where a coalition government is formed the contradictions are often obvious between the parties, and the coalitions aren’t necessarily lasting.
The challenge, we have discussed here in other words, is that the coalitions here need to be lasting to sustain a party structure. So trying to meld a broad range of ideas into a coherent face to the electorate is very difficult.
Also, the electorate chooses who they believe will most likely represent their goals, even when being told no one is. So the tents get crowded with people hoping to have a say.
To their benefit, the Democrats adopted the not religious stance(not antireligion, just clearly secular) purely in an attempt to broaden the tent after a few elections of not finding a base big enough to win, a way to be different that didn’t impact other parts of their coalition negatively.
While this left the Republicans the staunchly religious, it also let them be portrayed as non-inclusive. It also left the evangelicals and others who had been a major force in both parties only one place to play thus ramping up their sense of need to dominate the party left.
The question for each party is how long it takes them to understand the changes in the culture, and what hasn’t changed, and include those changes in their platforms and stances.
The biggest challenge for the electorate is that there is little chance to stem the tide of those changes with a minority party, or make them go faster with another minority party. I suspect, though I have no experience, that if minority parties in other countries begin to get traction for particular stances that ultimately drives the major parties to change.
To their benefit, the Democrats adopted the not religious stance(not antireligion, just clearly secular) purely in an attempt to broaden the tent after a few elections of not finding a base big enough to win, a way to be different that didn’t impact other parts of their coalition negatively.
Marty, except for brief periods here and there, it was mainstream civics (and is Constitutional law) that there is a wall between state and religion. that’s why Kennedy famously renounced “allegiance” to the Pope when making public policy.
Religion has been a huge factor in United States culture since its founding, but the Constitution explicitly states that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” A lot of conservative religious folks figured out from the get-go that their particular take on God was not going to win the day, so best to keep religion out of government altogether. The Christian right is a relatively new phenomenon (although, unfortunately, it’s been around for my adult life). It’s weird when I talk to young people about the fact that in my public school elementary classes in Northern Virginia, there was nobody who questioned evolution. Of course, they all grew up with lots of people who do.
Democrats have consistently stuck with the “no religious test”. What, are we originalists or something?
To their benefit, the Democrats adopted the not religious stance(not antireligion, just clearly secular) purely in an attempt to broaden the tent after a few elections of not finding a base big enough to win, a way to be different that didn’t impact other parts of their coalition negatively.
Marty, except for brief periods here and there, it was mainstream civics (and is Constitutional law) that there is a wall between state and religion. that’s why Kennedy famously renounced “allegiance” to the Pope when making public policy.
Religion has been a huge factor in United States culture since its founding, but the Constitution explicitly states that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” A lot of conservative religious folks figured out from the get-go that their particular take on God was not going to win the day, so best to keep religion out of government altogether. The Christian right is a relatively new phenomenon (although, unfortunately, it’s been around for my adult life). It’s weird when I talk to young people about the fact that in my public school elementary classes in Northern Virginia, there was nobody who questioned evolution. Of course, they all grew up with lots of people who do.
Democrats have consistently stuck with the “no religious test”. What, are we originalists or something?
To their benefit, the Democrats adopted the not religious stance(not antireligion, just clearly secular) purely in an attempt to broaden the tent after a few elections of not finding a base big enough to win, a way to be different that didn’t impact other parts of their coalition negatively.
Marty, except for brief periods here and there, it was mainstream civics (and is Constitutional law) that there is a wall between state and religion. that’s why Kennedy famously renounced “allegiance” to the Pope when making public policy.
Religion has been a huge factor in United States culture since its founding, but the Constitution explicitly states that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” A lot of conservative religious folks figured out from the get-go that their particular take on God was not going to win the day, so best to keep religion out of government altogether. The Christian right is a relatively new phenomenon (although, unfortunately, it’s been around for my adult life). It’s weird when I talk to young people about the fact that in my public school elementary classes in Northern Virginia, there was nobody who questioned evolution. Of course, they all grew up with lots of people who do.
Democrats have consistently stuck with the “no religious test”. What, are we originalists or something?
The Christian right is only new in the sense that it isn’t just the standard for all parties. The country was founded largely by people who were incredibly religious. The separation of church and state was an institutional separation, not a cultural or political one. That wasn’t ever an issue until the end of last century. What is now considered the religious right was, for most of America’s history, the standard for almost everyone. Religious people weren’t considered conservative, they were just your neighbor.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
The Christian right is only new in the sense that it isn’t just the standard for all parties. The country was founded largely by people who were incredibly religious. The separation of church and state was an institutional separation, not a cultural or political one. That wasn’t ever an issue until the end of last century. What is now considered the religious right was, for most of America’s history, the standard for almost everyone. Religious people weren’t considered conservative, they were just your neighbor.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
The Christian right is only new in the sense that it isn’t just the standard for all parties. The country was founded largely by people who were incredibly religious. The separation of church and state was an institutional separation, not a cultural or political one. That wasn’t ever an issue until the end of last century. What is now considered the religious right was, for most of America’s history, the standard for almost everyone. Religious people weren’t considered conservative, they were just your neighbor.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
The country was founded largely by people who were incredibly religious. The separation of church and state was an institutional separation, not a cultural or political one.
Oh yes it was. Again, the Constitution anyone? My own parents came from deeply religious Christian backgrounds (Catholic and fundamentalist Protestant) that were hostile to each other. Neither family thought that it was a good idea for religion to be a state matter, because everyone knew how divided people were on the specifics.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
Yes, we must have, but I doubt your memory of this. The Skopes monkey trial was a hoot for every single person I knew.
The country was founded largely by people who were incredibly religious. The separation of church and state was an institutional separation, not a cultural or political one.
Oh yes it was. Again, the Constitution anyone? My own parents came from deeply religious Christian backgrounds (Catholic and fundamentalist Protestant) that were hostile to each other. Neither family thought that it was a good idea for religion to be a state matter, because everyone knew how divided people were on the specifics.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
Yes, we must have, but I doubt your memory of this. The Skopes monkey trial was a hoot for every single person I knew.
The country was founded largely by people who were incredibly religious. The separation of church and state was an institutional separation, not a cultural or political one.
Oh yes it was. Again, the Constitution anyone? My own parents came from deeply religious Christian backgrounds (Catholic and fundamentalist Protestant) that were hostile to each other. Neither family thought that it was a good idea for religion to be a state matter, because everyone knew how divided people were on the specifics.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
Yes, we must have, but I doubt your memory of this. The Skopes monkey trial was a hoot for every single person I knew.
but I doubt your memory of this
ok. I am literally laughing out loud at this.
but I doubt your memory of this
ok. I am literally laughing out loud at this.
but I doubt your memory of this
ok. I am literally laughing out loud at this.
ok. I am literally laughing out loud at this.
Glad you’re amused. Here’s something. The Pope comes out saying that evolution is fully compatible with Catholicism. The Catholic world shrugs.
This is what I grew up with, but I also knew plenty of fundies, because my non-Catholic parent was the son of a fundamentalist preacher. Creationism existed but in very, very narrow circles, maybe in the snake handling areas of Appalachia. Not that there’s anything wrong with snakes.
ok. I am literally laughing out loud at this.
Glad you’re amused. Here’s something. The Pope comes out saying that evolution is fully compatible with Catholicism. The Catholic world shrugs.
This is what I grew up with, but I also knew plenty of fundies, because my non-Catholic parent was the son of a fundamentalist preacher. Creationism existed but in very, very narrow circles, maybe in the snake handling areas of Appalachia. Not that there’s anything wrong with snakes.
ok. I am literally laughing out loud at this.
Glad you’re amused. Here’s something. The Pope comes out saying that evolution is fully compatible with Catholicism. The Catholic world shrugs.
This is what I grew up with, but I also knew plenty of fundies, because my non-Catholic parent was the son of a fundamentalist preacher. Creationism existed but in very, very narrow circles, maybe in the snake handling areas of Appalachia. Not that there’s anything wrong with snakes.
Yeah, I didn’t go to school in 2014, or Virginia I guess. Nor do I refer to anyone as a fundie, btw.
Despite your assertion, there were many schools in the 60’s that taught evolution as Darwin’s theory of evolution. Not that I see how that is relevant to where this conversation started.
The first Catholic president was elected in 1960 to great hoopla. The country elected him because he convinced them his religious beliefs were in concert with theirs despite the Pope and his desire to rule the US.
Creationism hasn’t grown over the last 50 years, it has just been challenged and belittled enough to make the creationists feel the need to defend themselves.
There were always nonbelievers, but they didn’t feel the need, nor have the public support, to openly mock and denigrate people of faith.
I suspect the big change is that Christians feel forced to decide, do they believe in an unproven and still theoretical big bang theory of how God created the earth or a more traditional “he just created it from nothing 5 or 6 thousand years ago”. Either marks the beginning of evolution I suppose, but why does it matter which they believe?
Yeah, I didn’t go to school in 2014, or Virginia I guess. Nor do I refer to anyone as a fundie, btw.
Despite your assertion, there were many schools in the 60’s that taught evolution as Darwin’s theory of evolution. Not that I see how that is relevant to where this conversation started.
The first Catholic president was elected in 1960 to great hoopla. The country elected him because he convinced them his religious beliefs were in concert with theirs despite the Pope and his desire to rule the US.
Creationism hasn’t grown over the last 50 years, it has just been challenged and belittled enough to make the creationists feel the need to defend themselves.
There were always nonbelievers, but they didn’t feel the need, nor have the public support, to openly mock and denigrate people of faith.
I suspect the big change is that Christians feel forced to decide, do they believe in an unproven and still theoretical big bang theory of how God created the earth or a more traditional “he just created it from nothing 5 or 6 thousand years ago”. Either marks the beginning of evolution I suppose, but why does it matter which they believe?
Yeah, I didn’t go to school in 2014, or Virginia I guess. Nor do I refer to anyone as a fundie, btw.
Despite your assertion, there were many schools in the 60’s that taught evolution as Darwin’s theory of evolution. Not that I see how that is relevant to where this conversation started.
The first Catholic president was elected in 1960 to great hoopla. The country elected him because he convinced them his religious beliefs were in concert with theirs despite the Pope and his desire to rule the US.
Creationism hasn’t grown over the last 50 years, it has just been challenged and belittled enough to make the creationists feel the need to defend themselves.
There were always nonbelievers, but they didn’t feel the need, nor have the public support, to openly mock and denigrate people of faith.
I suspect the big change is that Christians feel forced to decide, do they believe in an unproven and still theoretical big bang theory of how God created the earth or a more traditional “he just created it from nothing 5 or 6 thousand years ago”. Either marks the beginning of evolution I suppose, but why does it matter which they believe?
Either marks the beginning of evolution I suppose, but why does it matter which they believe?
I don’t care at all what people “believe” as long as they don’t place their religious theories in the public school curriculum.
I don’t know what your religious background is, Marty. “Fundie” is a shorthand version of “fundamentalist Christian”. I don’t consider the nickname to be derogatory, since I know and love some of them, and am a descendant of many. I don’t buy into their belief system, but neither am I a Muslim, Hindu or anymore a good Catholic. I have all due respect for people who believe things that I can’t buy into – I get it that it makes people consider their lives in a more meaningful context, etc.
What I don’t approve of is that people who believe in things which aren’t supported by evidence, or even theory, to force that over somebody else in a public school, which is unconstitutional. But I can tell that this is yet another conversation that is not going to go anywhere because despite the fact that “creationism” was nearly defunct from about 1957 to the 1970’s, you’re going to insist that it was always a mainstay among your close personal family and friends. And that’s fine. Live your dreams.
Either marks the beginning of evolution I suppose, but why does it matter which they believe?
I don’t care at all what people “believe” as long as they don’t place their religious theories in the public school curriculum.
I don’t know what your religious background is, Marty. “Fundie” is a shorthand version of “fundamentalist Christian”. I don’t consider the nickname to be derogatory, since I know and love some of them, and am a descendant of many. I don’t buy into their belief system, but neither am I a Muslim, Hindu or anymore a good Catholic. I have all due respect for people who believe things that I can’t buy into – I get it that it makes people consider their lives in a more meaningful context, etc.
What I don’t approve of is that people who believe in things which aren’t supported by evidence, or even theory, to force that over somebody else in a public school, which is unconstitutional. But I can tell that this is yet another conversation that is not going to go anywhere because despite the fact that “creationism” was nearly defunct from about 1957 to the 1970’s, you’re going to insist that it was always a mainstay among your close personal family and friends. And that’s fine. Live your dreams.
Either marks the beginning of evolution I suppose, but why does it matter which they believe?
I don’t care at all what people “believe” as long as they don’t place their religious theories in the public school curriculum.
I don’t know what your religious background is, Marty. “Fundie” is a shorthand version of “fundamentalist Christian”. I don’t consider the nickname to be derogatory, since I know and love some of them, and am a descendant of many. I don’t buy into their belief system, but neither am I a Muslim, Hindu or anymore a good Catholic. I have all due respect for people who believe things that I can’t buy into – I get it that it makes people consider their lives in a more meaningful context, etc.
What I don’t approve of is that people who believe in things which aren’t supported by evidence, or even theory, to force that over somebody else in a public school, which is unconstitutional. But I can tell that this is yet another conversation that is not going to go anywhere because despite the fact that “creationism” was nearly defunct from about 1957 to the 1970’s, you’re going to insist that it was always a mainstay among your close personal family and friends. And that’s fine. Live your dreams.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
Darwin’s was a theory as to how evolution happened; there wasn’t really a better one. But nobody had any doubt that it occurred — not liberals, not moderates, not conservatives. Anyone arguing against evolution happening would have been regarded as a) amazingly ignorant and b) quite exceptionally odd.
Even very devout people whose religion’s official theological said otherwise acknowledged that evolution happened. But then, everybody regarded Rev Usher’s 4004 BC calculation as nothing but a product of obviously nonsensical biblical literalism — the kind of thing nobody today but an uneducated hick would believe.
All this, mind, in a fairly conservative (the John Birch Society had a significant following) farming community. Albeit one where education was very highly valued.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
Darwin’s was a theory as to how evolution happened; there wasn’t really a better one. But nobody had any doubt that it occurred — not liberals, not moderates, not conservatives. Anyone arguing against evolution happening would have been regarded as a) amazingly ignorant and b) quite exceptionally odd.
Even very devout people whose religion’s official theological said otherwise acknowledged that evolution happened. But then, everybody regarded Rev Usher’s 4004 BC calculation as nothing but a product of obviously nonsensical biblical literalism — the kind of thing nobody today but an uneducated hick would believe.
All this, mind, in a fairly conservative (the John Birch Society had a significant following) farming community. Albeit one where education was very highly valued.
Evolution was a theory when I went to school, and it wasn’t so generally accepted. So we certainly went to different schools.
Darwin’s was a theory as to how evolution happened; there wasn’t really a better one. But nobody had any doubt that it occurred — not liberals, not moderates, not conservatives. Anyone arguing against evolution happening would have been regarded as a) amazingly ignorant and b) quite exceptionally odd.
Even very devout people whose religion’s official theological said otherwise acknowledged that evolution happened. But then, everybody regarded Rev Usher’s 4004 BC calculation as nothing but a product of obviously nonsensical biblical literalism — the kind of thing nobody today but an uneducated hick would believe.
All this, mind, in a fairly conservative (the John Birch Society had a significant following) farming community. Albeit one where education was very highly valued.
I grew up in Dallas, I know what I was taught in school. The theory of evolution. I attended Baptist and Methodist churches (one or the other every Sunday) until I was fourteen, at which point I chose to attend a nondenominational Christian church that wasn’t overly fundamentalist. There was never a discussion in any of those churches, and certainly not in school, about the Bible NOT being the divine word of God.
I am not even sure what you are referring to as creationism at this point, because I have no context for it “going away”. The churches I went to assumed the accuracy of the Biblical account. There simply wasn’t much discussion about it one way or the other.
I did stop to look up Creationism in Wikipedia and, as I said above, I don’t have any context for creationism outside the context of the church. I can assure you that when I was ten in Dallas that the churches still believed that God created the world.
I grew up in Dallas, I know what I was taught in school. The theory of evolution. I attended Baptist and Methodist churches (one or the other every Sunday) until I was fourteen, at which point I chose to attend a nondenominational Christian church that wasn’t overly fundamentalist. There was never a discussion in any of those churches, and certainly not in school, about the Bible NOT being the divine word of God.
I am not even sure what you are referring to as creationism at this point, because I have no context for it “going away”. The churches I went to assumed the accuracy of the Biblical account. There simply wasn’t much discussion about it one way or the other.
I did stop to look up Creationism in Wikipedia and, as I said above, I don’t have any context for creationism outside the context of the church. I can assure you that when I was ten in Dallas that the churches still believed that God created the world.
I grew up in Dallas, I know what I was taught in school. The theory of evolution. I attended Baptist and Methodist churches (one or the other every Sunday) until I was fourteen, at which point I chose to attend a nondenominational Christian church that wasn’t overly fundamentalist. There was never a discussion in any of those churches, and certainly not in school, about the Bible NOT being the divine word of God.
I am not even sure what you are referring to as creationism at this point, because I have no context for it “going away”. The churches I went to assumed the accuracy of the Biblical account. There simply wasn’t much discussion about it one way or the other.
I did stop to look up Creationism in Wikipedia and, as I said above, I don’t have any context for creationism outside the context of the church. I can assure you that when I was ten in Dallas that the churches still believed that God created the world.
The country elected [Kennedy] because he convinced them his religious beliefs were in concert with theirs despite the Pope and his desire to rule the US.
Nope, they elected him because they didn’t think that he was going to govern the country based on the Pope’s edicts, but instead on secular public policy.
Even very devout people whose religion’s official theological said otherwise acknowledged that evolution happened.
Thanks, wj. That was true in my world as well.
The churches I went to assumed the accuracy of the Biblical account. There simply wasn’t much discussion about it one way or the other.
Exactly. The churches taught the Bible, and didn’t mind a bit when people went to school and learned science. Somehow, being religious didn’t mean you had to deny science. In the late 1970’s or so, there began a movement of the “religious right” who started foisting their religious views on everybody else. This was weird for everybody, and (strangely) Obama didn’t cause it.
The country elected [Kennedy] because he convinced them his religious beliefs were in concert with theirs despite the Pope and his desire to rule the US.
Nope, they elected him because they didn’t think that he was going to govern the country based on the Pope’s edicts, but instead on secular public policy.
Even very devout people whose religion’s official theological said otherwise acknowledged that evolution happened.
Thanks, wj. That was true in my world as well.
The churches I went to assumed the accuracy of the Biblical account. There simply wasn’t much discussion about it one way or the other.
Exactly. The churches taught the Bible, and didn’t mind a bit when people went to school and learned science. Somehow, being religious didn’t mean you had to deny science. In the late 1970’s or so, there began a movement of the “religious right” who started foisting their religious views on everybody else. This was weird for everybody, and (strangely) Obama didn’t cause it.
The country elected [Kennedy] because he convinced them his religious beliefs were in concert with theirs despite the Pope and his desire to rule the US.
Nope, they elected him because they didn’t think that he was going to govern the country based on the Pope’s edicts, but instead on secular public policy.
Even very devout people whose religion’s official theological said otherwise acknowledged that evolution happened.
Thanks, wj. That was true in my world as well.
The churches I went to assumed the accuracy of the Biblical account. There simply wasn’t much discussion about it one way or the other.
Exactly. The churches taught the Bible, and didn’t mind a bit when people went to school and learned science. Somehow, being religious didn’t mean you had to deny science. In the late 1970’s or so, there began a movement of the “religious right” who started foisting their religious views on everybody else. This was weird for everybody, and (strangely) Obama didn’t cause it.
So, these people suddenly just started foisting because they were, what? It couldn’t be a backlash to suddenly not being allowed to pray in school, not be able to start the day with the pledge of allegiance, not be able to have a Nativity scene on the Town hall lawn,and a thousand other ways that people on the left suddenly felt were absolutely necessary to enforce the separation of church and state after two hundred years.
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides. You see we lived in a culture that was very Western European in its religious bent, but that became unfashionable.
And, of course, out of that, the other side picked evolution and a few other things to react to so that they could essentially mock the beliefs of good people doing no harm. The Democratic party does it today, talking out of both sides of its mouth on religion constantly.
So, these people suddenly just started foisting because they were, what? It couldn’t be a backlash to suddenly not being allowed to pray in school, not be able to start the day with the pledge of allegiance, not be able to have a Nativity scene on the Town hall lawn,and a thousand other ways that people on the left suddenly felt were absolutely necessary to enforce the separation of church and state after two hundred years.
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides. You see we lived in a culture that was very Western European in its religious bent, but that became unfashionable.
And, of course, out of that, the other side picked evolution and a few other things to react to so that they could essentially mock the beliefs of good people doing no harm. The Democratic party does it today, talking out of both sides of its mouth on religion constantly.
So, these people suddenly just started foisting because they were, what? It couldn’t be a backlash to suddenly not being allowed to pray in school, not be able to start the day with the pledge of allegiance, not be able to have a Nativity scene on the Town hall lawn,and a thousand other ways that people on the left suddenly felt were absolutely necessary to enforce the separation of church and state after two hundred years.
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides. You see we lived in a culture that was very Western European in its religious bent, but that became unfashionable.
And, of course, out of that, the other side picked evolution and a few other things to react to so that they could essentially mock the beliefs of good people doing no harm. The Democratic party does it today, talking out of both sides of its mouth on religion constantly.
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides.
No, the religious right were authoritarian, intolerant moralists, who rejected other people’s right to live free of their superstitions. A lot of them were [are] racists too. There are plenty of religious people (and I was involved in churches for awhile with these people, and Tim Kaine is someone who is one of these people) who are perfectly comfortable being informed in their daily lives by their religion, who find time to pray at home, or even pray at school, but don’t require it to be a group activity. There are all kinds of religious people, who don’t dance, drink or play cards, but they’re not out there banning ballrooms, or bars, or card games.
The “religious right” are people who are among the “resentful” who are pissed off that nobody’s “empathizing’ with them enough to let them control the culture, rehabilitate gay people into straightness, and force women to bear children. Boo hoo.
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides.
No, the religious right were authoritarian, intolerant moralists, who rejected other people’s right to live free of their superstitions. A lot of them were [are] racists too. There are plenty of religious people (and I was involved in churches for awhile with these people, and Tim Kaine is someone who is one of these people) who are perfectly comfortable being informed in their daily lives by their religion, who find time to pray at home, or even pray at school, but don’t require it to be a group activity. There are all kinds of religious people, who don’t dance, drink or play cards, but they’re not out there banning ballrooms, or bars, or card games.
The “religious right” are people who are among the “resentful” who are pissed off that nobody’s “empathizing’ with them enough to let them control the culture, rehabilitate gay people into straightness, and force women to bear children. Boo hoo.
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides.
No, the religious right were authoritarian, intolerant moralists, who rejected other people’s right to live free of their superstitions. A lot of them were [are] racists too. There are plenty of religious people (and I was involved in churches for awhile with these people, and Tim Kaine is someone who is one of these people) who are perfectly comfortable being informed in their daily lives by their religion, who find time to pray at home, or even pray at school, but don’t require it to be a group activity. There are all kinds of religious people, who don’t dance, drink or play cards, but they’re not out there banning ballrooms, or bars, or card games.
The “religious right” are people who are among the “resentful” who are pissed off that nobody’s “empathizing’ with them enough to let them control the culture, rehabilitate gay people into straightness, and force women to bear children. Boo hoo.
I really am going to go bonkers if the R’s retain the Senate and refuse to confirm any Hillary SCOTUS nominee.
I really am going to go bonkers if the R’s retain the Senate and refuse to confirm any Hillary SCOTUS nominee.
I really am going to go bonkers if the R’s retain the Senate and refuse to confirm any Hillary SCOTUS nominee.
Ugh, it will happen if they are allowed to keep the Senate. And unless D’S get the House, impeachment hearings are a given.
Ugh, it will happen if they are allowed to keep the Senate. And unless D’S get the House, impeachment hearings are a given.
Ugh, it will happen if they are allowed to keep the Senate. And unless D’S get the House, impeachment hearings are a given.
No, the religious right were authoritarian, intolerant moralists, who rejected other people’s right to live free of their superstitions.
That is true of some of them. Just like the people who felt that they needed to make sure there were NO prayers in school, because they didn’t believe in it.
No, the religious right were authoritarian, intolerant moralists, who rejected other people’s right to live free of their superstitions.
That is true of some of them. Just like the people who felt that they needed to make sure there were NO prayers in school, because they didn’t believe in it.
No, the religious right were authoritarian, intolerant moralists, who rejected other people’s right to live free of their superstitions.
That is true of some of them. Just like the people who felt that they needed to make sure there were NO prayers in school, because they didn’t believe in it.
Well based on recent polls we aint getting the House, unless Trump tells his supporters to stay home or some other really awful Trump ugliness rears it’s head (this doesn’t fit in that category, but apparently theres a video of Trump from 2008 singing Hillary’s praises – not sure why’s it’s not getting more airtime, biased MSM I suppose).
I’m a little more hopeful for the Senate, it wouldn’t shock me if the “likely voters” polls are off this year, although in which direction I don’t know (i.e., those in the past who were likely GOP voters may be sitting this out, whereas those GOP folk who were unlikely to vote in the past might get off their asses to vote for Trump).
I suppose there could be more open warfare between Trump and Ryan that could cost the GOP some surprising House seats and that would fall short of Trump saying “I’m outta here!” before Nov 8, but it would have to get a lot more vitriolic I would think.
But it would be extremely disheartening (among other stronger emotions) if the GOP could force an 8 member court on the public and not pay any political price for it – or, indeed, likely pick up Senate seats in the 2018 election (although I would attribute that to something other than SCOTUS). Especially with all the BS they were slinging earlier this about “letting the people have their say” in who gets to pick the next nominee in through the Presidential election, which would only confirm the obvious – that refusing to hold a vote on Obama’s nominee was a pure display of political power by the GOP and nothing more.
Somehow they thought they were going to win the Presidential election and get a preferred SCOTUS justice and when that turned out to be a clusterfnck for them all of a sudden it’s “fnck the people, we’ll do what we want.” I guess the silver lining is that it’s the last gasps of a dying party.
Part of me still thinks Grassley can be shamed into at least holding hearings, but we’ll see. Maybe CJ Roberts will have had enough and will march up to capitol hill to tell the troglodytes to do their duty or he’ll resign. Fantasy, yes.
Well based on recent polls we aint getting the House, unless Trump tells his supporters to stay home or some other really awful Trump ugliness rears it’s head (this doesn’t fit in that category, but apparently theres a video of Trump from 2008 singing Hillary’s praises – not sure why’s it’s not getting more airtime, biased MSM I suppose).
I’m a little more hopeful for the Senate, it wouldn’t shock me if the “likely voters” polls are off this year, although in which direction I don’t know (i.e., those in the past who were likely GOP voters may be sitting this out, whereas those GOP folk who were unlikely to vote in the past might get off their asses to vote for Trump).
I suppose there could be more open warfare between Trump and Ryan that could cost the GOP some surprising House seats and that would fall short of Trump saying “I’m outta here!” before Nov 8, but it would have to get a lot more vitriolic I would think.
But it would be extremely disheartening (among other stronger emotions) if the GOP could force an 8 member court on the public and not pay any political price for it – or, indeed, likely pick up Senate seats in the 2018 election (although I would attribute that to something other than SCOTUS). Especially with all the BS they were slinging earlier this about “letting the people have their say” in who gets to pick the next nominee in through the Presidential election, which would only confirm the obvious – that refusing to hold a vote on Obama’s nominee was a pure display of political power by the GOP and nothing more.
Somehow they thought they were going to win the Presidential election and get a preferred SCOTUS justice and when that turned out to be a clusterfnck for them all of a sudden it’s “fnck the people, we’ll do what we want.” I guess the silver lining is that it’s the last gasps of a dying party.
Part of me still thinks Grassley can be shamed into at least holding hearings, but we’ll see. Maybe CJ Roberts will have had enough and will march up to capitol hill to tell the troglodytes to do their duty or he’ll resign. Fantasy, yes.
Well based on recent polls we aint getting the House, unless Trump tells his supporters to stay home or some other really awful Trump ugliness rears it’s head (this doesn’t fit in that category, but apparently theres a video of Trump from 2008 singing Hillary’s praises – not sure why’s it’s not getting more airtime, biased MSM I suppose).
I’m a little more hopeful for the Senate, it wouldn’t shock me if the “likely voters” polls are off this year, although in which direction I don’t know (i.e., those in the past who were likely GOP voters may be sitting this out, whereas those GOP folk who were unlikely to vote in the past might get off their asses to vote for Trump).
I suppose there could be more open warfare between Trump and Ryan that could cost the GOP some surprising House seats and that would fall short of Trump saying “I’m outta here!” before Nov 8, but it would have to get a lot more vitriolic I would think.
But it would be extremely disheartening (among other stronger emotions) if the GOP could force an 8 member court on the public and not pay any political price for it – or, indeed, likely pick up Senate seats in the 2018 election (although I would attribute that to something other than SCOTUS). Especially with all the BS they were slinging earlier this about “letting the people have their say” in who gets to pick the next nominee in through the Presidential election, which would only confirm the obvious – that refusing to hold a vote on Obama’s nominee was a pure display of political power by the GOP and nothing more.
Somehow they thought they were going to win the Presidential election and get a preferred SCOTUS justice and when that turned out to be a clusterfnck for them all of a sudden it’s “fnck the people, we’ll do what we want.” I guess the silver lining is that it’s the last gasps of a dying party.
Part of me still thinks Grassley can be shamed into at least holding hearings, but we’ll see. Maybe CJ Roberts will have had enough and will march up to capitol hill to tell the troglodytes to do their duty or he’ll resign. Fantasy, yes.
Just like the people who felt that they needed to make sure there were NO prayers in school, because they didn’t believe in it.
People pray in school all the time. It was the official government imprimatur given to public school authority led prayer that was objectionable, and highly so and clearly unconstitutional. Try and have a teacher led muslim call to prayer in school and see these people react.
Just like the people who felt that they needed to make sure there were NO prayers in school, because they didn’t believe in it.
People pray in school all the time. It was the official government imprimatur given to public school authority led prayer that was objectionable, and highly so and clearly unconstitutional. Try and have a teacher led muslim call to prayer in school and see these people react.
Just like the people who felt that they needed to make sure there were NO prayers in school, because they didn’t believe in it.
People pray in school all the time. It was the official government imprimatur given to public school authority led prayer that was objectionable, and highly so and clearly unconstitutional. Try and have a teacher led muslim call to prayer in school and see these people react.
Meanwhile, the CIA’s lack of a check and/or balance (and common sense) is continuing to kill people. (via hilzoy tweet)
Meanwhile, the CIA’s lack of a check and/or balance (and common sense) is continuing to kill people. (via hilzoy tweet)
Meanwhile, the CIA’s lack of a check and/or balance (and common sense) is continuing to kill people. (via hilzoy tweet)
You mean you’re just figuring out many of the GOP leaders are sexist, misogynistic, a$$holes GOP women? Better late than never.
You mean you’re just figuring out many of the GOP leaders are sexist, misogynistic, a$$holes GOP women? Better late than never.
You mean you’re just figuring out many of the GOP leaders are sexist, misogynistic, a$$holes GOP women? Better late than never.
No Ugh, there are many who want no one ALLOWED to pray. Same extreme, opposite end of spectrum.
No Ugh, there are many who want no one ALLOWED to pray. Same extreme, opposite end of spectrum.
No Ugh, there are many who want no one ALLOWED to pray. Same extreme, opposite end of spectrum.
Show me one person of note who wants to ban a student from praying silently to him or herself in school.
Show me one person of note who wants to ban a student from praying silently to him or herself in school.
Show me one person of note who wants to ban a student from praying silently to him or herself in school.
Actually, never mind.
Actually, never mind.
Actually, never mind.
Meanwhile, the CIA’s lack of a check and/or balance (and common sense) is continuing to kill people. (via hilzoy tweet)
What the CIA did was incredibly dumb,, but the Taliban had a longstanding anti-vaccination policy, and its “reasons” were based on many conspiracy theories. Not defending it, but continuing violence against health care workers by the Taliban can’t be blamed on the CIA forever.
Meanwhile, the CIA’s lack of a check and/or balance (and common sense) is continuing to kill people. (via hilzoy tweet)
What the CIA did was incredibly dumb,, but the Taliban had a longstanding anti-vaccination policy, and its “reasons” were based on many conspiracy theories. Not defending it, but continuing violence against health care workers by the Taliban can’t be blamed on the CIA forever.
Meanwhile, the CIA’s lack of a check and/or balance (and common sense) is continuing to kill people. (via hilzoy tweet)
What the CIA did was incredibly dumb,, but the Taliban had a longstanding anti-vaccination policy, and its “reasons” were based on many conspiracy theories. Not defending it, but continuing violence against health care workers by the Taliban can’t be blamed on the CIA forever.
I don’t know, we’re still suffering the consequences of Mosaddegh 60+ years on.
I don’t know, we’re still suffering the consequences of Mosaddegh 60+ years on.
I don’t know, we’re still suffering the consequences of Mosaddegh 60+ years on.
The Taliban’s anti-vaccination “policy” is based on religion. A false religion, to be sure — just ask Rev. Graham, Rev. Robertson, and other upstanding adherents of the True religion. Or maybe the Taliban are merely exploiters of, and not true believers in, the religion they claim as their own. It wouldn’t be the first time that trick has been pulled. If you were apoplectic about racial integration of the public schools, and wanted to rally support for parochial schools with freedom to discriminate, wouldn’t you make a big to-do about “religious liberty” and “Christian principles” and so forth?
–TP
The Taliban’s anti-vaccination “policy” is based on religion. A false religion, to be sure — just ask Rev. Graham, Rev. Robertson, and other upstanding adherents of the True religion. Or maybe the Taliban are merely exploiters of, and not true believers in, the religion they claim as their own. It wouldn’t be the first time that trick has been pulled. If you were apoplectic about racial integration of the public schools, and wanted to rally support for parochial schools with freedom to discriminate, wouldn’t you make a big to-do about “religious liberty” and “Christian principles” and so forth?
–TP
The Taliban’s anti-vaccination “policy” is based on religion. A false religion, to be sure — just ask Rev. Graham, Rev. Robertson, and other upstanding adherents of the True religion. Or maybe the Taliban are merely exploiters of, and not true believers in, the religion they claim as their own. It wouldn’t be the first time that trick has been pulled. If you were apoplectic about racial integration of the public schools, and wanted to rally support for parochial schools with freedom to discriminate, wouldn’t you make a big to-do about “religious liberty” and “Christian principles” and so forth?
–TP
“The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides.”
Sometimes when people perceive themselves as …the standard by which others should be measured, they get peevish if others don’t see them that way.
Entitlement. There are some folks who have a sense of being entitled to be the real true Americans while all others are the hyphenated Americans or the out-of-mainstream. The issue is not that that these entitled people aren’t respected; the issue is that they don’t like seeing others respected.
“The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides.”
Sometimes when people perceive themselves as …the standard by which others should be measured, they get peevish if others don’t see them that way.
Entitlement. There are some folks who have a sense of being entitled to be the real true Americans while all others are the hyphenated Americans or the out-of-mainstream. The issue is not that that these entitled people aren’t respected; the issue is that they don’t like seeing others respected.
“The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides.”
Sometimes when people perceive themselves as …the standard by which others should be measured, they get peevish if others don’t see them that way.
Entitlement. There are some folks who have a sense of being entitled to be the real true Americans while all others are the hyphenated Americans or the out-of-mainstream. The issue is not that that these entitled people aren’t respected; the issue is that they don’t like seeing others respected.
I don’t know if anyone else has linked to it, but the latest George Packer article is worth reading. It’s sort of Thomas Frank, Matt Stoller and JD Vance as written by a Clinton voter.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/hillary-clinton-and-the-populist-revolt
I don’t know if anyone else has linked to it, but the latest George Packer article is worth reading. It’s sort of Thomas Frank, Matt Stoller and JD Vance as written by a Clinton voter.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/hillary-clinton-and-the-populist-revolt
I don’t know if anyone else has linked to it, but the latest George Packer article is worth reading. It’s sort of Thomas Frank, Matt Stoller and JD Vance as written by a Clinton voter.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/hillary-clinton-and-the-populist-revolt
Long read, but pretty good.
Long read, but pretty good.
Long read, but pretty good.
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides. You see we lived in a culture that was very Western European in its religious bent, but that became unfashionable.
And, of course, out of that, the other side picked evolution and a few other things to react to so that they could essentially mock the beliefs of good people doing no harm. The Democratic party does it today, talking out of both sides of its mouth on religion constantly.
Oh FFS, I would love to mock (and worse) the beliefs of good people, if this is the kind of belief/good person you had in mind (and do read on about how one should beat children and wives, as well as enforce sexual abstinence):
http://uspoln.com/2016/10/24/pat-robertson-husbands-need-boycott-intercourse-wives-theyre-planning-vote-hillary/
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides. You see we lived in a culture that was very Western European in its religious bent, but that became unfashionable.
And, of course, out of that, the other side picked evolution and a few other things to react to so that they could essentially mock the beliefs of good people doing no harm. The Democratic party does it today, talking out of both sides of its mouth on religion constantly.
Oh FFS, I would love to mock (and worse) the beliefs of good people, if this is the kind of belief/good person you had in mind (and do read on about how one should beat children and wives, as well as enforce sexual abstinence):
http://uspoln.com/2016/10/24/pat-robertson-husbands-need-boycott-intercourse-wives-theyre-planning-vote-hillary/
The religious right was simply the backlash to protecting what they perceived as their religious rights being diminished on all sides. You see we lived in a culture that was very Western European in its religious bent, but that became unfashionable.
And, of course, out of that, the other side picked evolution and a few other things to react to so that they could essentially mock the beliefs of good people doing no harm. The Democratic party does it today, talking out of both sides of its mouth on religion constantly.
Oh FFS, I would love to mock (and worse) the beliefs of good people, if this is the kind of belief/good person you had in mind (and do read on about how one should beat children and wives, as well as enforce sexual abstinence):
http://uspoln.com/2016/10/24/pat-robertson-husbands-need-boycott-intercourse-wives-theyre-planning-vote-hillary/
Yes, of course, that’s exactly what I had in mind. I want to be supportive of the worst and most asinine of all examples that come up.
Yes, of course, that’s exactly what I had in mind. I want to be supportive of the worst and most asinine of all examples that come up.
Yes, of course, that’s exactly what I had in mind. I want to be supportive of the worst and most asinine of all examples that come up.
OK Marty, I apologise for caricaturing your views in that unfair way. But I believe this man Pat Robertson is quite influential among many varieties of fundamentalist Christian in the US. He is frequently quoted, and has been for years, and seems to have a sizeable constituency who listen to him and presumably respect his views. It doesn’t seem altogether a negligible fringe of the religious right.
OK Marty, I apologise for caricaturing your views in that unfair way. But I believe this man Pat Robertson is quite influential among many varieties of fundamentalist Christian in the US. He is frequently quoted, and has been for years, and seems to have a sizeable constituency who listen to him and presumably respect his views. It doesn’t seem altogether a negligible fringe of the religious right.
OK Marty, I apologise for caricaturing your views in that unfair way. But I believe this man Pat Robertson is quite influential among many varieties of fundamentalist Christian in the US. He is frequently quoted, and has been for years, and seems to have a sizeable constituency who listen to him and presumably respect his views. It doesn’t seem altogether a negligible fringe of the religious right.
OK, per Ugh, most of that Pat Robertson article has been debunked by snopes, at least as regards the reverse-lysistrata aspect. But I gather the part about beating children to teach them respect for Christian beliefs is true, with nothing confirmed or denied about the beating wives bit. I apologise all round, and will check future sensational stories with snopes.
OK, per Ugh, most of that Pat Robertson article has been debunked by snopes, at least as regards the reverse-lysistrata aspect. But I gather the part about beating children to teach them respect for Christian beliefs is true, with nothing confirmed or denied about the beating wives bit. I apologise all round, and will check future sensational stories with snopes.
OK, per Ugh, most of that Pat Robertson article has been debunked by snopes, at least as regards the reverse-lysistrata aspect. But I gather the part about beating children to teach them respect for Christian beliefs is true, with nothing confirmed or denied about the beating wives bit. I apologise all round, and will check future sensational stories with snopes.
Well based on recent polls we aint getting the House, unless Trump tells his supporters to stay home or some other really awful Trump ugliness rears it’s head
I don’t think the Democrats will take the House. But this does seem like a more probable (although still very low probability) scenario:
The Republicans hold the House, but with a relatively small (5-8 seats) majority. The “Freedom Caucus,” or maybe some even more extreme group, demand that one of their own get the Speakership. Or, at minimum, that the next Speaker commit to their agenda as the price for their votes.
But the less extreme House Republicans, realizing that that way lies electoral disaster going forward (not to mention being terrible for the country), refuse. So a few (enough) of them go to the Democrats and say, “We’re willing to let you guys run the House. What will you give us?” Doubtless starting with someone more conservative than Pelosi as Speaker.
As I say, a low probability scenario. But this year, I’d hesitate to rule out anything, no matter how bizzare.
Well based on recent polls we aint getting the House, unless Trump tells his supporters to stay home or some other really awful Trump ugliness rears it’s head
I don’t think the Democrats will take the House. But this does seem like a more probable (although still very low probability) scenario:
The Republicans hold the House, but with a relatively small (5-8 seats) majority. The “Freedom Caucus,” or maybe some even more extreme group, demand that one of their own get the Speakership. Or, at minimum, that the next Speaker commit to their agenda as the price for their votes.
But the less extreme House Republicans, realizing that that way lies electoral disaster going forward (not to mention being terrible for the country), refuse. So a few (enough) of them go to the Democrats and say, “We’re willing to let you guys run the House. What will you give us?” Doubtless starting with someone more conservative than Pelosi as Speaker.
As I say, a low probability scenario. But this year, I’d hesitate to rule out anything, no matter how bizzare.
Well based on recent polls we aint getting the House, unless Trump tells his supporters to stay home or some other really awful Trump ugliness rears it’s head
I don’t think the Democrats will take the House. But this does seem like a more probable (although still very low probability) scenario:
The Republicans hold the House, but with a relatively small (5-8 seats) majority. The “Freedom Caucus,” or maybe some even more extreme group, demand that one of their own get the Speakership. Or, at minimum, that the next Speaker commit to their agenda as the price for their votes.
But the less extreme House Republicans, realizing that that way lies electoral disaster going forward (not to mention being terrible for the country), refuse. So a few (enough) of them go to the Democrats and say, “We’re willing to let you guys run the House. What will you give us?” Doubtless starting with someone more conservative than Pelosi as Speaker.
As I say, a low probability scenario. But this year, I’d hesitate to rule out anything, no matter how bizzare.
You want prayer in school, lots and lots of it, heartfelt, guaranteed? With no liberals giving you sh*t about it? Easy.
MORE, HARDER, MATH TESTS.
Just make sure that the RW fundies get *credit* for the policy, and we’re good to go. No backsies.
You want prayer in school, lots and lots of it, heartfelt, guaranteed? With no liberals giving you sh*t about it? Easy.
MORE, HARDER, MATH TESTS.
Just make sure that the RW fundies get *credit* for the policy, and we’re good to go. No backsies.
You want prayer in school, lots and lots of it, heartfelt, guaranteed? With no liberals giving you sh*t about it? Easy.
MORE, HARDER, MATH TESTS.
Just make sure that the RW fundies get *credit* for the policy, and we’re good to go. No backsies.
Putting this on the most recent open thread. Many of you might find the story interesting because it feeds into the current news background.
I sang karaoke at my local joint last night, which is a narrow space half of which is taken up by the bar.
Did some Joe Jackson and Toad the Wet Sprocket.
In the middle of all this, in glided two middle aged women, I would guess, who were carrying foot and half high dolls of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, neither outfitted in a complimentary manner.
The women walked up and down the narrow aisle repeatedly and waved the dolls around in the faces of nearly all of the patrons and bartenders, as well as reaching them into the karaoke acts as people sung, like they were muppet backup singers.
It was hilarious, and what followed was all in good fun, until one of the women dropped a bomb on some of us within hearing distance, which I will get to, but first …
… when it was my turn, sitting at the bar, to be introduced to the dolls, I set them up together in compromising positions on the brew taps so the ladies could take pictures of them and then I took the Trump doll and proceeded to mock punch it in the face a few times. Then, for good measure a few minutes later, I got one of the bartenders to hand me a length a string and I stood on my bar stool and hung Trump in effigy from the chandeliers over the bar.
Hilarity erupted, but like our tender media seeking precious balance, one the two women leaned in and gave me a pretty good-natured tongue lashing about Clinton’s evil traits.
Because, God forbid, that a political conversation in a bar might veer away from balance and journalistic integrity.
All of this only partly heard amidst the bar noise. When she finished her peroration about Clinton, I said, you forgot to mention Yemen (you are welcome, Donald), but the lady gave me kind of a perplexed look. Maybe she thought I said “Amen! and was surprised I agreed with her on at least one point.
This as Trump swung from the rope over our heads.
Later, (here comes the bomb) the other woman glided past and announced to no one in particular her name, which I didn’t catch, and then declared that she was one of the women molested by Bill Cosby years ago and her story was going to be in today’s Sunday New York Times, at least that’s what I thought I heard.
A few moments later, the two of them grabbed their muppets and headed into the night.
I haven’t found the story yet, because it’s either not posted on the internet as of now and besides it would be behind a firewall. But I’m headed to the library tomorrow to read the thing from front to back to confirm the story.
Here’s the photos of 35 of the women from an earlier New York Magazine article. She might be among them. She had very close cut hair last night, so I can’t identify her.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2015/07/27/35-cosby-accusers-speak-out-about-their-experiences/
So, between the Presidential dolls, hitting the high notes in the songs I sung, and the Bill Cosby shocker, it was a hell of a night.
Putting this on the most recent open thread. Many of you might find the story interesting because it feeds into the current news background.
I sang karaoke at my local joint last night, which is a narrow space half of which is taken up by the bar.
Did some Joe Jackson and Toad the Wet Sprocket.
In the middle of all this, in glided two middle aged women, I would guess, who were carrying foot and half high dolls of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, neither outfitted in a complimentary manner.
The women walked up and down the narrow aisle repeatedly and waved the dolls around in the faces of nearly all of the patrons and bartenders, as well as reaching them into the karaoke acts as people sung, like they were muppet backup singers.
It was hilarious, and what followed was all in good fun, until one of the women dropped a bomb on some of us within hearing distance, which I will get to, but first …
… when it was my turn, sitting at the bar, to be introduced to the dolls, I set them up together in compromising positions on the brew taps so the ladies could take pictures of them and then I took the Trump doll and proceeded to mock punch it in the face a few times. Then, for good measure a few minutes later, I got one of the bartenders to hand me a length a string and I stood on my bar stool and hung Trump in effigy from the chandeliers over the bar.
Hilarity erupted, but like our tender media seeking precious balance, one the two women leaned in and gave me a pretty good-natured tongue lashing about Clinton’s evil traits.
Because, God forbid, that a political conversation in a bar might veer away from balance and journalistic integrity.
All of this only partly heard amidst the bar noise. When she finished her peroration about Clinton, I said, you forgot to mention Yemen (you are welcome, Donald), but the lady gave me kind of a perplexed look. Maybe she thought I said “Amen! and was surprised I agreed with her on at least one point.
This as Trump swung from the rope over our heads.
Later, (here comes the bomb) the other woman glided past and announced to no one in particular her name, which I didn’t catch, and then declared that she was one of the women molested by Bill Cosby years ago and her story was going to be in today’s Sunday New York Times, at least that’s what I thought I heard.
A few moments later, the two of them grabbed their muppets and headed into the night.
I haven’t found the story yet, because it’s either not posted on the internet as of now and besides it would be behind a firewall. But I’m headed to the library tomorrow to read the thing from front to back to confirm the story.
Here’s the photos of 35 of the women from an earlier New York Magazine article. She might be among them. She had very close cut hair last night, so I can’t identify her.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2015/07/27/35-cosby-accusers-speak-out-about-their-experiences/
So, between the Presidential dolls, hitting the high notes in the songs I sung, and the Bill Cosby shocker, it was a hell of a night.
Putting this on the most recent open thread. Many of you might find the story interesting because it feeds into the current news background.
I sang karaoke at my local joint last night, which is a narrow space half of which is taken up by the bar.
Did some Joe Jackson and Toad the Wet Sprocket.
In the middle of all this, in glided two middle aged women, I would guess, who were carrying foot and half high dolls of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, neither outfitted in a complimentary manner.
The women walked up and down the narrow aisle repeatedly and waved the dolls around in the faces of nearly all of the patrons and bartenders, as well as reaching them into the karaoke acts as people sung, like they were muppet backup singers.
It was hilarious, and what followed was all in good fun, until one of the women dropped a bomb on some of us within hearing distance, which I will get to, but first …
… when it was my turn, sitting at the bar, to be introduced to the dolls, I set them up together in compromising positions on the brew taps so the ladies could take pictures of them and then I took the Trump doll and proceeded to mock punch it in the face a few times. Then, for good measure a few minutes later, I got one of the bartenders to hand me a length a string and I stood on my bar stool and hung Trump in effigy from the chandeliers over the bar.
Hilarity erupted, but like our tender media seeking precious balance, one the two women leaned in and gave me a pretty good-natured tongue lashing about Clinton’s evil traits.
Because, God forbid, that a political conversation in a bar might veer away from balance and journalistic integrity.
All of this only partly heard amidst the bar noise. When she finished her peroration about Clinton, I said, you forgot to mention Yemen (you are welcome, Donald), but the lady gave me kind of a perplexed look. Maybe she thought I said “Amen! and was surprised I agreed with her on at least one point.
This as Trump swung from the rope over our heads.
Later, (here comes the bomb) the other woman glided past and announced to no one in particular her name, which I didn’t catch, and then declared that she was one of the women molested by Bill Cosby years ago and her story was going to be in today’s Sunday New York Times, at least that’s what I thought I heard.
A few moments later, the two of them grabbed their muppets and headed into the night.
I haven’t found the story yet, because it’s either not posted on the internet as of now and besides it would be behind a firewall. But I’m headed to the library tomorrow to read the thing from front to back to confirm the story.
Here’s the photos of 35 of the women from an earlier New York Magazine article. She might be among them. She had very close cut hair last night, so I can’t identify her.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2015/07/27/35-cosby-accusers-speak-out-about-their-experiences/
So, between the Presidential dolls, hitting the high notes in the songs I sung, and the Bill Cosby shocker, it was a hell of a night.
I kind of wish I had approached my Hispanic and black friends in the bar, proffered the Trump doll and asked them “Please show me on the doll where Trump and the Republicans deported your mothers and prevented you from voting.”
I kind of wish I had approached my Hispanic and black friends in the bar, proffered the Trump doll and asked them “Please show me on the doll where Trump and the Republicans deported your mothers and prevented you from voting.”
I kind of wish I had approached my Hispanic and black friends in the bar, proffered the Trump doll and asked them “Please show me on the doll where Trump and the Republicans deported your mothers and prevented you from voting.”