Why Do Bad Things Happen? — Open Thread

by wj

Last night we had the traditional annual family gathering to celebrate the birthdays of all of us born in late July and early August. (Which amounts to nearly half of us.) As always, the conversation ranged far and wide. But at one point, someone mentioned a colleague who is a conspiracy theory enthusiast.

Everyone rolled their eyes, of course. But we discovered that we all know quite a few of these — many of them otherwise sensible people. So the question arose, why are there so many conspiracy nuts these days? In answer, a theory was born:

There are some people whose psychological make-up requires not only an answer but agency in answer to the question Why Do Bad Things Happen? Random universe (i.e. “shit happens”)? Not an acceptable answer. Human error? Also not acceptable. When something bad happens, it must have been caused to happen. So, who did it?

Most of the people that we know personally are good people. They may do irritating things occasionally. And they may have nutty ideas. But still, deep at heart, good people. So if their ideas are wrong-headed, it’s just that they are misguided, not bad people. Note that word: midguided. So, who guided them wrong?

Once upon a time, religion provided an answer. Polytheistic religions generally have evil gods as well as good gods. Or, at least, a trickster god who does bad things (e.g. Loki). Christianity doesn’t have provision for bad gods, but it does have the Devil to full the function. (Islam, as I understand it, has similar fallen angels.) If something bad happens, or if people are misguided, the Devil did it.

So, when bad things happened, the answer was already in hand. But today, things have changed. Fewer people are religious (yes, even it the US). And those who are now can communicate with others of similar mind. Once, if you didn’t believe, you kept it to yourself, because all of your friends and neighbor did believe. But now, you can find others to talk to about what you all do believe instead.

However, the urge to answer the question remains. So, if it wasn’t an evil supernatural power causing bad things to happen, who did it? Nobody is standing up and admitting to it, so they must be keeping it a secret. And, since there is a lot of it going around, it can’t just be a single individual — it must be a group. And working together. In short, a secret conspiracy.

If bad things happen, some nasty conspiracy made it happen. (Motives flexible.) If people are misguided, some nasty conspiracy deliberately controlled the information available to them, in order to mislead them. Etc., etc., etc.

Note that this is not incompatible with a religious belief. Even belief in a religion which already has an evil supernatural power. Nope, that evil power is merely the inspiration for the evil conspiracy that the people (even non-religious people) you know are talking about.

Conspiracy theories do not just fulfill what used to be essentially a religious function when it comes to explaining events. They also have one other religious feature: people seem to not only believe in conspiracies, but to have a compulsion to tell the rest of us about them. In short, they proselytize. (And not just door-to-door, unfortunately.)

So, the conspiracy nuts in our lives explained. Now all we need is to come up with a way to convince them that we are not interested in adopting their religion. Any suggestions?

579 thoughts on “Why Do Bad Things Happen? — Open Thread”

  1. Perhaps one needs to start (ironically) by exploring the question: who intentionally created and misguided the conspiracy nuts to make them what they are?
    By framing it this way, we can resolve it by becoming conspiracy nuts ourselves.

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  2. Perhaps one needs to start (ironically) by exploring the question: who intentionally created and misguided the conspiracy nuts to make them what they are?
    By framing it this way, we can resolve it by becoming conspiracy nuts ourselves.

    Reply
  3. Perhaps one needs to start (ironically) by exploring the question: who intentionally created and misguided the conspiracy nuts to make them what they are?
    By framing it this way, we can resolve it by becoming conspiracy nuts ourselves.

    Reply
  4. “Everyone rolled their eyes, of course.”
    Of course they did.
    They are in on it.
    Things are not what they seem.
    We don’t know, I mean, really KNOW the people around us, even those closest to us.
    They are not who they seem.
    No one will listen, as in this, a formative movie for me from very early in life:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuL2QwsNeM8
    I have a brother who shared a bedroom with me for the first dozen years or so of his life. We spent nearly all of our time in each others presence. Neither then, nor now, fifty years later, do I have the slightest idea regarding what motivates his behavior and actions and it is clear he hasn’t the foggiest notion who I am.
    We are ciphers, ineffable mysteries, to each other.
    Moreover, as Walker Percy observed, the individual can know and explain anything and everything in the universe, the farthest rock on the far side of the farthest planet, to the millimeter, but not him- or herself.
    Being .. existence … is fantastically strange.
    And it’s end is unspeakable.
    What is it?
    Connect the dots, one or the other, and a pattern emerges.
    But it is all provisional.
    But then the Big Dipper constellation, observed from another location in the universe, is a meaningless, haphazard scattering of stars, even if the observers from that location have dippers or ladles to use as a reference.
    It’s nobody’s, no agency’s, fault, except cold mathematics … in this dimension, of which their may be many more.
    So we drink and gibber and make music and art.
    Since it’s not tea time yet, I have hours left of gibbering.

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  5. “Everyone rolled their eyes, of course.”
    Of course they did.
    They are in on it.
    Things are not what they seem.
    We don’t know, I mean, really KNOW the people around us, even those closest to us.
    They are not who they seem.
    No one will listen, as in this, a formative movie for me from very early in life:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuL2QwsNeM8
    I have a brother who shared a bedroom with me for the first dozen years or so of his life. We spent nearly all of our time in each others presence. Neither then, nor now, fifty years later, do I have the slightest idea regarding what motivates his behavior and actions and it is clear he hasn’t the foggiest notion who I am.
    We are ciphers, ineffable mysteries, to each other.
    Moreover, as Walker Percy observed, the individual can know and explain anything and everything in the universe, the farthest rock on the far side of the farthest planet, to the millimeter, but not him- or herself.
    Being .. existence … is fantastically strange.
    And it’s end is unspeakable.
    What is it?
    Connect the dots, one or the other, and a pattern emerges.
    But it is all provisional.
    But then the Big Dipper constellation, observed from another location in the universe, is a meaningless, haphazard scattering of stars, even if the observers from that location have dippers or ladles to use as a reference.
    It’s nobody’s, no agency’s, fault, except cold mathematics … in this dimension, of which their may be many more.
    So we drink and gibber and make music and art.
    Since it’s not tea time yet, I have hours left of gibbering.

    Reply
  6. “Everyone rolled their eyes, of course.”
    Of course they did.
    They are in on it.
    Things are not what they seem.
    We don’t know, I mean, really KNOW the people around us, even those closest to us.
    They are not who they seem.
    No one will listen, as in this, a formative movie for me from very early in life:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuL2QwsNeM8
    I have a brother who shared a bedroom with me for the first dozen years or so of his life. We spent nearly all of our time in each others presence. Neither then, nor now, fifty years later, do I have the slightest idea regarding what motivates his behavior and actions and it is clear he hasn’t the foggiest notion who I am.
    We are ciphers, ineffable mysteries, to each other.
    Moreover, as Walker Percy observed, the individual can know and explain anything and everything in the universe, the farthest rock on the far side of the farthest planet, to the millimeter, but not him- or herself.
    Being .. existence … is fantastically strange.
    And it’s end is unspeakable.
    What is it?
    Connect the dots, one or the other, and a pattern emerges.
    But it is all provisional.
    But then the Big Dipper constellation, observed from another location in the universe, is a meaningless, haphazard scattering of stars, even if the observers from that location have dippers or ladles to use as a reference.
    It’s nobody’s, no agency’s, fault, except cold mathematics … in this dimension, of which their may be many more.
    So we drink and gibber and make music and art.
    Since it’s not tea time yet, I have hours left of gibbering.

    Reply
  7. “Everyone rolled their eyes, of course.”
    Of course they did.
    They are in on it.

    And that’s definitely one of the “features” of conspiracy theories: if there is no real evidence for a theory, that simply proves that there is a conspiracy to keep it secret.

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  8. “Everyone rolled their eyes, of course.”
    Of course they did.
    They are in on it.

    And that’s definitely one of the “features” of conspiracy theories: if there is no real evidence for a theory, that simply proves that there is a conspiracy to keep it secret.

    Reply
  9. “Everyone rolled their eyes, of course.”
    Of course they did.
    They are in on it.

    And that’s definitely one of the “features” of conspiracy theories: if there is no real evidence for a theory, that simply proves that there is a conspiracy to keep it secret.

    Reply
  10. The belief that intractable problems aren’t really that tough – and that therefore someone is preventing their solution – is also characteristic (and frequently observable in both right and left wing politics).

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  11. The belief that intractable problems aren’t really that tough – and that therefore someone is preventing their solution – is also characteristic (and frequently observable in both right and left wing politics).

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  12. The belief that intractable problems aren’t really that tough – and that therefore someone is preventing their solution – is also characteristic (and frequently observable in both right and left wing politics).

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  13. I’d say the human brain is wired to see patterns in everything, originally just literally. Good to see the camouflaged predator before it can attack you. It was safer to see a pattern where none was than to not see one that hid a threat. Later we transferred that literal pattern search to the figurative/abstract now seeing correlations in everything. And the idea that correlation<>causation never took firmly hold. So, we try to make sense out of everything because evolution wired us that way as a survival mechanism. But the paranoia that is the inevitable side effect became less and less necessary (outside intolerant totalitarian societies at least) and still stays with us in our rather safe modern environment. Most of us have learned to keep it under control but others need an outlet. As wj said, religion is a great way to shift it away from us (unless the specific religion develops its own paranoia). But this mechanism ‘fails’ many of us now. At the same time there are influential groups that push paranoia on us because that benefits them and it usually consists of charges against an allegedly conspiratorial group (witches, Jews, freemasons, communists, librarians etc.) that evil superpowers are attributed to.
    As a result we are all primed to deal with the concept of conspiracies and our brain is receptive.

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  14. I’d say the human brain is wired to see patterns in everything, originally just literally. Good to see the camouflaged predator before it can attack you. It was safer to see a pattern where none was than to not see one that hid a threat. Later we transferred that literal pattern search to the figurative/abstract now seeing correlations in everything. And the idea that correlation<>causation never took firmly hold. So, we try to make sense out of everything because evolution wired us that way as a survival mechanism. But the paranoia that is the inevitable side effect became less and less necessary (outside intolerant totalitarian societies at least) and still stays with us in our rather safe modern environment. Most of us have learned to keep it under control but others need an outlet. As wj said, religion is a great way to shift it away from us (unless the specific religion develops its own paranoia). But this mechanism ‘fails’ many of us now. At the same time there are influential groups that push paranoia on us because that benefits them and it usually consists of charges against an allegedly conspiratorial group (witches, Jews, freemasons, communists, librarians etc.) that evil superpowers are attributed to.
    As a result we are all primed to deal with the concept of conspiracies and our brain is receptive.

    Reply
  15. I’d say the human brain is wired to see patterns in everything, originally just literally. Good to see the camouflaged predator before it can attack you. It was safer to see a pattern where none was than to not see one that hid a threat. Later we transferred that literal pattern search to the figurative/abstract now seeing correlations in everything. And the idea that correlation<>causation never took firmly hold. So, we try to make sense out of everything because evolution wired us that way as a survival mechanism. But the paranoia that is the inevitable side effect became less and less necessary (outside intolerant totalitarian societies at least) and still stays with us in our rather safe modern environment. Most of us have learned to keep it under control but others need an outlet. As wj said, religion is a great way to shift it away from us (unless the specific religion develops its own paranoia). But this mechanism ‘fails’ many of us now. At the same time there are influential groups that push paranoia on us because that benefits them and it usually consists of charges against an allegedly conspiratorial group (witches, Jews, freemasons, communists, librarians etc.) that evil superpowers are attributed to.
    As a result we are all primed to deal with the concept of conspiracies and our brain is receptive.

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  16. “I’d say the human brain is wired to see patterns in everything”
    Tortilla Jesus endorses this statement.
    But the “intractable problems aren’t that tough” (Nigel), I think you’ll find the same people reaching opposite conclusions, depending on the issue; because it’s not a reasoned response, it’s a pretext for a predetermined conclusion.

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  17. “I’d say the human brain is wired to see patterns in everything”
    Tortilla Jesus endorses this statement.
    But the “intractable problems aren’t that tough” (Nigel), I think you’ll find the same people reaching opposite conclusions, depending on the issue; because it’s not a reasoned response, it’s a pretext for a predetermined conclusion.

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  18. “I’d say the human brain is wired to see patterns in everything”
    Tortilla Jesus endorses this statement.
    But the “intractable problems aren’t that tough” (Nigel), I think you’ll find the same people reaching opposite conclusions, depending on the issue; because it’s not a reasoned response, it’s a pretext for a predetermined conclusion.

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  19. it’s a pretext for a predetermined conclusion.
    Which is why people can simultaneously believe that person (or group) A is massively incompetent, at everything. And that the same person (or group) is amazingly competent at conspiracy, and keeping it a secret.
    It makes no logical sense. But the conflict seems to sail right past them — even when it is pointed out.

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  20. it’s a pretext for a predetermined conclusion.
    Which is why people can simultaneously believe that person (or group) A is massively incompetent, at everything. And that the same person (or group) is amazingly competent at conspiracy, and keeping it a secret.
    It makes no logical sense. But the conflict seems to sail right past them — even when it is pointed out.

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  21. it’s a pretext for a predetermined conclusion.
    Which is why people can simultaneously believe that person (or group) A is massively incompetent, at everything. And that the same person (or group) is amazingly competent at conspiracy, and keeping it a secret.
    It makes no logical sense. But the conflict seems to sail right past them — even when it is pointed out.

    Reply
  22. …Our last President broke the law against torture, which carries the death penalty.
    Now, something would still prevent any President from simply having his/her political rivals killed. But I don’t think I could state precisely what that is, since it’s plainly not the Constitution any more. This makes it harder to refute conspiracy theories.
    One might also suppose that a keen observer could have noticed the problem earlier, when we started letting the President declare war.

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  23. …Our last President broke the law against torture, which carries the death penalty.
    Now, something would still prevent any President from simply having his/her political rivals killed. But I don’t think I could state precisely what that is, since it’s plainly not the Constitution any more. This makes it harder to refute conspiracy theories.
    One might also suppose that a keen observer could have noticed the problem earlier, when we started letting the President declare war.

    Reply
  24. …Our last President broke the law against torture, which carries the death penalty.
    Now, something would still prevent any President from simply having his/her political rivals killed. But I don’t think I could state precisely what that is, since it’s plainly not the Constitution any more. This makes it harder to refute conspiracy theories.
    One might also suppose that a keen observer could have noticed the problem earlier, when we started letting the President declare war.

    Reply
  25. As an example, ja ever notice how the ONLY people who know precisely how monetary and interest rate policy should be conducted are every American — hundreds of millions of know-it-alls — who doesn’t work at the Federal Reserve.
    Not a single American at any particular time who actually DOES work at the Federal Reserve, and who has been educated, trained and has toiled for years in the field knows squat about monetary and interest rate policy, according to this theory of who knows what when.
    Then they trade places every few years and set about the same horsesh*t.
    There are two people who know the everything behind the everything about interest rate and monetary policy and both of their last names are Paul, the eldest of whom has made a tidy grift of the claim his whole life, and the callow, whiny kid is well on his way.
    Apparently the elder picked up transmissions from his patients’ dental fillings and the younger learned everything he knows from anagramming the eye charts.
    They are sometimes joined by Larry Kudlow, Walter Williams, Milton Friedman, and Phil Gramm.
    What the Pauls think they know is that the people at the Federal Reserve know precisely what they are up to, and are playing dumb and keeping the rest of us … we .. who think WE know everything … in the dark at the behest of sinister cabals operating under deep cover, which according to the Pauls, rhymes with JEW, much to the surprise of Friedman, who really did know absolutely squat about the money supply, thus disproving the Pauls’ theory, not that anyone has noticed.
    And so we let the Pauls run for President, instead of tearing them to pieces and feeding them to the lions at the zoo, because, ah ha, millions think, they might be on to something, which makes us think we’re on to something.
    What little the Jews do know is that no one is on to anything, including themselves, and that everything is done by the seat of the pants, and that the pauls and their ilky acolytes really are just concocting reasons to crank up the furnaces again and then when the Jews are gone, they tell us, no one will know crapola about interest rate and monetary policy and we’ll call THAT the market, which is one big roiling mass of dumbsh*t Gentiles acting like look-ma-no-hands-know-it-alls, until something goes wrong, and the search will be on again for new scapegoats to murder.
    In a nutshell, which is the outer coating of the human race.

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  26. As an example, ja ever notice how the ONLY people who know precisely how monetary and interest rate policy should be conducted are every American — hundreds of millions of know-it-alls — who doesn’t work at the Federal Reserve.
    Not a single American at any particular time who actually DOES work at the Federal Reserve, and who has been educated, trained and has toiled for years in the field knows squat about monetary and interest rate policy, according to this theory of who knows what when.
    Then they trade places every few years and set about the same horsesh*t.
    There are two people who know the everything behind the everything about interest rate and monetary policy and both of their last names are Paul, the eldest of whom has made a tidy grift of the claim his whole life, and the callow, whiny kid is well on his way.
    Apparently the elder picked up transmissions from his patients’ dental fillings and the younger learned everything he knows from anagramming the eye charts.
    They are sometimes joined by Larry Kudlow, Walter Williams, Milton Friedman, and Phil Gramm.
    What the Pauls think they know is that the people at the Federal Reserve know precisely what they are up to, and are playing dumb and keeping the rest of us … we .. who think WE know everything … in the dark at the behest of sinister cabals operating under deep cover, which according to the Pauls, rhymes with JEW, much to the surprise of Friedman, who really did know absolutely squat about the money supply, thus disproving the Pauls’ theory, not that anyone has noticed.
    And so we let the Pauls run for President, instead of tearing them to pieces and feeding them to the lions at the zoo, because, ah ha, millions think, they might be on to something, which makes us think we’re on to something.
    What little the Jews do know is that no one is on to anything, including themselves, and that everything is done by the seat of the pants, and that the pauls and their ilky acolytes really are just concocting reasons to crank up the furnaces again and then when the Jews are gone, they tell us, no one will know crapola about interest rate and monetary policy and we’ll call THAT the market, which is one big roiling mass of dumbsh*t Gentiles acting like look-ma-no-hands-know-it-alls, until something goes wrong, and the search will be on again for new scapegoats to murder.
    In a nutshell, which is the outer coating of the human race.

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  27. As an example, ja ever notice how the ONLY people who know precisely how monetary and interest rate policy should be conducted are every American — hundreds of millions of know-it-alls — who doesn’t work at the Federal Reserve.
    Not a single American at any particular time who actually DOES work at the Federal Reserve, and who has been educated, trained and has toiled for years in the field knows squat about monetary and interest rate policy, according to this theory of who knows what when.
    Then they trade places every few years and set about the same horsesh*t.
    There are two people who know the everything behind the everything about interest rate and monetary policy and both of their last names are Paul, the eldest of whom has made a tidy grift of the claim his whole life, and the callow, whiny kid is well on his way.
    Apparently the elder picked up transmissions from his patients’ dental fillings and the younger learned everything he knows from anagramming the eye charts.
    They are sometimes joined by Larry Kudlow, Walter Williams, Milton Friedman, and Phil Gramm.
    What the Pauls think they know is that the people at the Federal Reserve know precisely what they are up to, and are playing dumb and keeping the rest of us … we .. who think WE know everything … in the dark at the behest of sinister cabals operating under deep cover, which according to the Pauls, rhymes with JEW, much to the surprise of Friedman, who really did know absolutely squat about the money supply, thus disproving the Pauls’ theory, not that anyone has noticed.
    And so we let the Pauls run for President, instead of tearing them to pieces and feeding them to the lions at the zoo, because, ah ha, millions think, they might be on to something, which makes us think we’re on to something.
    What little the Jews do know is that no one is on to anything, including themselves, and that everything is done by the seat of the pants, and that the pauls and their ilky acolytes really are just concocting reasons to crank up the furnaces again and then when the Jews are gone, they tell us, no one will know crapola about interest rate and monetary policy and we’ll call THAT the market, which is one big roiling mass of dumbsh*t Gentiles acting like look-ma-no-hands-know-it-alls, until something goes wrong, and the search will be on again for new scapegoats to murder.
    In a nutshell, which is the outer coating of the human race.

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  28. Why do bad things happen?
    Well, sometimes people say mean things about Brad Torgersen and a thousand .. a hundred… two and half Puppies cry out in anguish.
    Or,more seriously,we are a tribal species and cruelty is one way in which we keep other tribes at bay and show our loyalty to our own tribe.
    As for conspiracy theories, I assume they are popular because people like to “know more” than their naive neighbors. It’s a form of oneuppersonship, if you like. Plus, the tinfoil hats let you cook bacon in Texas without using an AK 47.

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  29. Why do bad things happen?
    Well, sometimes people say mean things about Brad Torgersen and a thousand .. a hundred… two and half Puppies cry out in anguish.
    Or,more seriously,we are a tribal species and cruelty is one way in which we keep other tribes at bay and show our loyalty to our own tribe.
    As for conspiracy theories, I assume they are popular because people like to “know more” than their naive neighbors. It’s a form of oneuppersonship, if you like. Plus, the tinfoil hats let you cook bacon in Texas without using an AK 47.

    Reply
  30. Why do bad things happen?
    Well, sometimes people say mean things about Brad Torgersen and a thousand .. a hundred… two and half Puppies cry out in anguish.
    Or,more seriously,we are a tribal species and cruelty is one way in which we keep other tribes at bay and show our loyalty to our own tribe.
    As for conspiracy theories, I assume they are popular because people like to “know more” than their naive neighbors. It’s a form of oneuppersonship, if you like. Plus, the tinfoil hats let you cook bacon in Texas without using an AK 47.

    Reply
  31. Possibly off-topic, but the best summary I have yet seen of Gamergate:
    Katherine Cross ‏@Quinnae_Moon 6h6 hours ago
    One man using a readymade hate mob to multiply his personal terrorism, which then metastasised into a movement against us all.

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  32. Possibly off-topic, but the best summary I have yet seen of Gamergate:
    Katherine Cross ‏@Quinnae_Moon 6h6 hours ago
    One man using a readymade hate mob to multiply his personal terrorism, which then metastasised into a movement against us all.

    Reply
  33. Possibly off-topic, but the best summary I have yet seen of Gamergate:
    Katherine Cross ‏@Quinnae_Moon 6h6 hours ago
    One man using a readymade hate mob to multiply his personal terrorism, which then metastasised into a movement against us all.

    Reply
  34. This post seems weird and tone deaf to me. I think I am one of the conspiracy theorists and so are most of you. Certainly everyone outside the blogosphere sees us that way. I’ve been getting most of my news from the internet since late 2001. Most of the news most people get comes from six large corporations. If you work as a journalist you know that ultimately you have to please the oligarchy.
    After about 5 years into the Iraq war some of the mainstream news types “apologized” for helping lead the country into war. The people who lost their careers for not being enthusiastic enough about the war didn’t get their jobs back though. Judith Miller did lose her job it is true though the NYT fought to keep her, but she is the only promoter of the war to pay any price.
    I guess I’ve been saying the mainstream media exist to lie to us for about 7 years or so. I feel dumb for having taken so long to catch on. I thought most people here had the same general opinion about the news. Maybe not. I don’t think it makes much difference that I don’t believe in some lockstep organization of the rich oligarchs making all of the decisions about how to run things. I know for a fact there are meetings where those types tend to get together.
    I think most people would class someone who believes this stuff as a conspiracy theorist. I think if you don’t you are ill-informed.

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  35. This post seems weird and tone deaf to me. I think I am one of the conspiracy theorists and so are most of you. Certainly everyone outside the blogosphere sees us that way. I’ve been getting most of my news from the internet since late 2001. Most of the news most people get comes from six large corporations. If you work as a journalist you know that ultimately you have to please the oligarchy.
    After about 5 years into the Iraq war some of the mainstream news types “apologized” for helping lead the country into war. The people who lost their careers for not being enthusiastic enough about the war didn’t get their jobs back though. Judith Miller did lose her job it is true though the NYT fought to keep her, but she is the only promoter of the war to pay any price.
    I guess I’ve been saying the mainstream media exist to lie to us for about 7 years or so. I feel dumb for having taken so long to catch on. I thought most people here had the same general opinion about the news. Maybe not. I don’t think it makes much difference that I don’t believe in some lockstep organization of the rich oligarchs making all of the decisions about how to run things. I know for a fact there are meetings where those types tend to get together.
    I think most people would class someone who believes this stuff as a conspiracy theorist. I think if you don’t you are ill-informed.

    Reply
  36. This post seems weird and tone deaf to me. I think I am one of the conspiracy theorists and so are most of you. Certainly everyone outside the blogosphere sees us that way. I’ve been getting most of my news from the internet since late 2001. Most of the news most people get comes from six large corporations. If you work as a journalist you know that ultimately you have to please the oligarchy.
    After about 5 years into the Iraq war some of the mainstream news types “apologized” for helping lead the country into war. The people who lost their careers for not being enthusiastic enough about the war didn’t get their jobs back though. Judith Miller did lose her job it is true though the NYT fought to keep her, but she is the only promoter of the war to pay any price.
    I guess I’ve been saying the mainstream media exist to lie to us for about 7 years or so. I feel dumb for having taken so long to catch on. I thought most people here had the same general opinion about the news. Maybe not. I don’t think it makes much difference that I don’t believe in some lockstep organization of the rich oligarchs making all of the decisions about how to run things. I know for a fact there are meetings where those types tend to get together.
    I think most people would class someone who believes this stuff as a conspiracy theorist. I think if you don’t you are ill-informed.

    Reply
  37. Even paranoids have enemies.
    And yeah the conspiracy theory wackos make it hard for the people who are looking at events and making genuine connections.
    The leaders of the Republican party really are trying to end representative democracy by minimizing the amount of representation that the citizens get in favor of what a few oligarchs and a lot of corporations get. And Frank is right about the news.
    It too me a long time to realize that the public figures who seem to not get it, to keep making the same mistakes, who don’t seem to learn from experience, are in fact fully aware of their behavior and are acting deliberately.

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  38. Even paranoids have enemies.
    And yeah the conspiracy theory wackos make it hard for the people who are looking at events and making genuine connections.
    The leaders of the Republican party really are trying to end representative democracy by minimizing the amount of representation that the citizens get in favor of what a few oligarchs and a lot of corporations get. And Frank is right about the news.
    It too me a long time to realize that the public figures who seem to not get it, to keep making the same mistakes, who don’t seem to learn from experience, are in fact fully aware of their behavior and are acting deliberately.

    Reply
  39. Even paranoids have enemies.
    And yeah the conspiracy theory wackos make it hard for the people who are looking at events and making genuine connections.
    The leaders of the Republican party really are trying to end representative democracy by minimizing the amount of representation that the citizens get in favor of what a few oligarchs and a lot of corporations get. And Frank is right about the news.
    It too me a long time to realize that the public figures who seem to not get it, to keep making the same mistakes, who don’t seem to learn from experience, are in fact fully aware of their behavior and are acting deliberately.

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  40. My favourite conspiracy theorist:
    “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

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  41. My favourite conspiracy theorist:
    “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

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  42. My favourite conspiracy theorist:
    “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

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  43. Speaking of bad things happening, it seems entirely possible – though not yet entirely probable – that Trump could be the Republican candidate for president.
    A month ago, I would have dismissed that as ridiculous.

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  44. Speaking of bad things happening, it seems entirely possible – though not yet entirely probable – that Trump could be the Republican candidate for president.
    A month ago, I would have dismissed that as ridiculous.

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  45. Speaking of bad things happening, it seems entirely possible – though not yet entirely probable – that Trump could be the Republican candidate for president.
    A month ago, I would have dismissed that as ridiculous.

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  46. @CharlesWT
    “Trump looks more like Icarus”
    And there I was believing that it was wings that his father fastened to Icarus with wax….

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  47. @CharlesWT
    “Trump looks more like Icarus”
    And there I was believing that it was wings that his father fastened to Icarus with wax….

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  48. @CharlesWT
    “Trump looks more like Icarus”
    And there I was believing that it was wings that his father fastened to Icarus with wax….

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  49. You guys are totally glossing over how the magical, healing powers of hemp are being actively hidden (occulted, even) by the federal government.
    Not only that, you can make clothing, shelter, and possibly even aircraft from its fibers. There’s nothing that hemp cannot do.

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  50. You guys are totally glossing over how the magical, healing powers of hemp are being actively hidden (occulted, even) by the federal government.
    Not only that, you can make clothing, shelter, and possibly even aircraft from its fibers. There’s nothing that hemp cannot do.

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  51. You guys are totally glossing over how the magical, healing powers of hemp are being actively hidden (occulted, even) by the federal government.
    Not only that, you can make clothing, shelter, and possibly even aircraft from its fibers. There’s nothing that hemp cannot do.

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  52. @CharlesWT
    “Trump looks more like Icarus”

    Nice one, Morzer.
    And while I’ve never seen a pig’s bladder overinflated with narcissism which was simultaneously bilious and splenetic, I imagine if you equipped one with a blond toupee…

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  53. @CharlesWT
    “Trump looks more like Icarus”

    Nice one, Morzer.
    And while I’ve never seen a pig’s bladder overinflated with narcissism which was simultaneously bilious and splenetic, I imagine if you equipped one with a blond toupee…

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  54. @CharlesWT
    “Trump looks more like Icarus”

    Nice one, Morzer.
    And while I’ve never seen a pig’s bladder overinflated with narcissism which was simultaneously bilious and splenetic, I imagine if you equipped one with a blond toupee…

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  55. The members of the Trilateral Commission, whose identities cannot be revealed, wear underwear made of hemp.
    You can tell by the significant looks they give each other as they secretly commmunicate the downy goodness of hemp against the flesh ————- if you ever run into them, which YOU can’t and won’t.

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  56. The members of the Trilateral Commission, whose identities cannot be revealed, wear underwear made of hemp.
    You can tell by the significant looks they give each other as they secretly commmunicate the downy goodness of hemp against the flesh ————- if you ever run into them, which YOU can’t and won’t.

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  57. The members of the Trilateral Commission, whose identities cannot be revealed, wear underwear made of hemp.
    You can tell by the significant looks they give each other as they secretly commmunicate the downy goodness of hemp against the flesh ————- if you ever run into them, which YOU can’t and won’t.

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  58. Conspiracies are interesting phenomena. I’ve worked in a couple of large organizations planning some pretty large-scale projects and have come to the conclusion that most conspiracy theories are completely impossible. Your typical conspiracy theory would require such amount of planning, meetings and organizational discipline that it cannot exist. Neither in secret nor in public.
    Actually, it would be nice if those conspiracy theories were true because then there would be someone in charge. Now I must accept that the world order is simply a mess resulting from a multitude of people and organizations acting to further their often short-sighted and stupid goals.

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  59. Conspiracies are interesting phenomena. I’ve worked in a couple of large organizations planning some pretty large-scale projects and have come to the conclusion that most conspiracy theories are completely impossible. Your typical conspiracy theory would require such amount of planning, meetings and organizational discipline that it cannot exist. Neither in secret nor in public.
    Actually, it would be nice if those conspiracy theories were true because then there would be someone in charge. Now I must accept that the world order is simply a mess resulting from a multitude of people and organizations acting to further their often short-sighted and stupid goals.

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  60. Conspiracies are interesting phenomena. I’ve worked in a couple of large organizations planning some pretty large-scale projects and have come to the conclusion that most conspiracy theories are completely impossible. Your typical conspiracy theory would require such amount of planning, meetings and organizational discipline that it cannot exist. Neither in secret nor in public.
    Actually, it would be nice if those conspiracy theories were true because then there would be someone in charge. Now I must accept that the world order is simply a mess resulting from a multitude of people and organizations acting to further their often short-sighted and stupid goals.

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  61. On the other hand, belief in cilonspiracies is a bit like superstition. You don’t need to actually need to believe in them but when the occasion arises, it eases the mind if one conforms with them.
    For example, I’ve never taken anti-masonic conspiracy theories seriously. Yet, when a colleague told me that his lodge would look favourably upon my application, I cannot help confessing that I felt a bit of dread: Masons! Why me? What are the repercussions if I say no? How many of my bosses are involved?
    In the end, I became a mason and I’ve been happy with my choice ever since. In fact, not applying would probably not have hurt me in any way, though I still wonder why my brothers wanted me to join their esteemed fellowship.
    Nonetheless, the masonic system seems as if it had been designed to prevent any large scale conspiracies from occurring. Those on the top of the hierarchy have so much work simply attending their lodges, chapters, conclaves and whatnot that even if they all are already retired from active professional life, they definitely will not have time to foment any large scale conspiracies.
    However, a lodge is quite an ideal place for some local, small-time corruption unless the brethren make sure to keep hobbies and professional life strictly separate.

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  62. On the other hand, belief in cilonspiracies is a bit like superstition. You don’t need to actually need to believe in them but when the occasion arises, it eases the mind if one conforms with them.
    For example, I’ve never taken anti-masonic conspiracy theories seriously. Yet, when a colleague told me that his lodge would look favourably upon my application, I cannot help confessing that I felt a bit of dread: Masons! Why me? What are the repercussions if I say no? How many of my bosses are involved?
    In the end, I became a mason and I’ve been happy with my choice ever since. In fact, not applying would probably not have hurt me in any way, though I still wonder why my brothers wanted me to join their esteemed fellowship.
    Nonetheless, the masonic system seems as if it had been designed to prevent any large scale conspiracies from occurring. Those on the top of the hierarchy have so much work simply attending their lodges, chapters, conclaves and whatnot that even if they all are already retired from active professional life, they definitely will not have time to foment any large scale conspiracies.
    However, a lodge is quite an ideal place for some local, small-time corruption unless the brethren make sure to keep hobbies and professional life strictly separate.

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  63. On the other hand, belief in cilonspiracies is a bit like superstition. You don’t need to actually need to believe in them but when the occasion arises, it eases the mind if one conforms with them.
    For example, I’ve never taken anti-masonic conspiracy theories seriously. Yet, when a colleague told me that his lodge would look favourably upon my application, I cannot help confessing that I felt a bit of dread: Masons! Why me? What are the repercussions if I say no? How many of my bosses are involved?
    In the end, I became a mason and I’ve been happy with my choice ever since. In fact, not applying would probably not have hurt me in any way, though I still wonder why my brothers wanted me to join their esteemed fellowship.
    Nonetheless, the masonic system seems as if it had been designed to prevent any large scale conspiracies from occurring. Those on the top of the hierarchy have so much work simply attending their lodges, chapters, conclaves and whatnot that even if they all are already retired from active professional life, they definitely will not have time to foment any large scale conspiracies.
    However, a lodge is quite an ideal place for some local, small-time corruption unless the brethren make sure to keep hobbies and professional life strictly separate.

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  64. “Good lord, Pierce thought, snapping shut the book and reinserting it in its row. Star temples and ley lines, UFOs and landscape giants, couldn’t they see that what was really, permanently astonishing was the human ability to keep finding these things? Let anyone looking for them be given a map of Pennsylvania or New Jersey or the Faraways and he will find “ley-lines”; let human beings look up long enough on starry nights and they will see faces looking down at them. _That’s_ the interesting thing, _that’s_ the subject: not why there are ley-lines, but why people find them; not what plan the aliens had for us, but why we think there must, somehow, always have been a plan.” — John Crowley, _Aegypt_, 1987

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  65. “Good lord, Pierce thought, snapping shut the book and reinserting it in its row. Star temples and ley lines, UFOs and landscape giants, couldn’t they see that what was really, permanently astonishing was the human ability to keep finding these things? Let anyone looking for them be given a map of Pennsylvania or New Jersey or the Faraways and he will find “ley-lines”; let human beings look up long enough on starry nights and they will see faces looking down at them. _That’s_ the interesting thing, _that’s_ the subject: not why there are ley-lines, but why people find them; not what plan the aliens had for us, but why we think there must, somehow, always have been a plan.” — John Crowley, _Aegypt_, 1987

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  66. “Good lord, Pierce thought, snapping shut the book and reinserting it in its row. Star temples and ley lines, UFOs and landscape giants, couldn’t they see that what was really, permanently astonishing was the human ability to keep finding these things? Let anyone looking for them be given a map of Pennsylvania or New Jersey or the Faraways and he will find “ley-lines”; let human beings look up long enough on starry nights and they will see faces looking down at them. _That’s_ the interesting thing, _that’s_ the subject: not why there are ley-lines, but why people find them; not what plan the aliens had for us, but why we think there must, somehow, always have been a plan.” — John Crowley, _Aegypt_, 1987

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  67. Your typical conspiracy theory would require such amount of planning, meetings and organizational discipline that it cannot exist.
    Further, if my experience with executives is any guide, actually implementing a conspiracy would require hordes of people to do the actual work. Which would make keeping it a secret impossible. Not to mention that the execution would inevitably involve repeated problems (human errors, if nothing else) which would be out there for all to see.

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  68. Your typical conspiracy theory would require such amount of planning, meetings and organizational discipline that it cannot exist.
    Further, if my experience with executives is any guide, actually implementing a conspiracy would require hordes of people to do the actual work. Which would make keeping it a secret impossible. Not to mention that the execution would inevitably involve repeated problems (human errors, if nothing else) which would be out there for all to see.

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  69. Your typical conspiracy theory would require such amount of planning, meetings and organizational discipline that it cannot exist.
    Further, if my experience with executives is any guide, actually implementing a conspiracy would require hordes of people to do the actual work. Which would make keeping it a secret impossible. Not to mention that the execution would inevitably involve repeated problems (human errors, if nothing else) which would be out there for all to see.

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  70. @Nigel
    “I’ve never seen a pig’s bladder overinflated with narcissism which was simultaneously bilious and splenetic, I imagine if you equipped one with a blond toupee…”
    Gosh, so the rumor is true – there are lost tribes out there that really have never heard of or seen Boris Johnson….

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  71. @Nigel
    “I’ve never seen a pig’s bladder overinflated with narcissism which was simultaneously bilious and splenetic, I imagine if you equipped one with a blond toupee…”
    Gosh, so the rumor is true – there are lost tribes out there that really have never heard of or seen Boris Johnson….

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  72. @Nigel
    “I’ve never seen a pig’s bladder overinflated with narcissism which was simultaneously bilious and splenetic, I imagine if you equipped one with a blond toupee…”
    Gosh, so the rumor is true – there are lost tribes out there that really have never heard of or seen Boris Johnson….

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  73. I’d like to know if there was ever a group of humans, anywhere, who believed that some hidden power was operating behind the scenes to make GOOD things happen to them.
    “Christians” might seem like an obvious answer, but (to hear christians tell it) there’s nothing hidden about the power responsible for what good comes their way, and anyhow when bad things happen it is His will too.
    My own stab at a reasonable answer is: “Comedians, especially ones with a political bent.” Whatever secret cabals may be behind the rise of the Palins, Trumps, and Cruzes of the world, they are clearly intent on making comedians happy.
    –TP

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  74. I’d like to know if there was ever a group of humans, anywhere, who believed that some hidden power was operating behind the scenes to make GOOD things happen to them.
    “Christians” might seem like an obvious answer, but (to hear christians tell it) there’s nothing hidden about the power responsible for what good comes their way, and anyhow when bad things happen it is His will too.
    My own stab at a reasonable answer is: “Comedians, especially ones with a political bent.” Whatever secret cabals may be behind the rise of the Palins, Trumps, and Cruzes of the world, they are clearly intent on making comedians happy.
    –TP

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  75. I’d like to know if there was ever a group of humans, anywhere, who believed that some hidden power was operating behind the scenes to make GOOD things happen to them.
    “Christians” might seem like an obvious answer, but (to hear christians tell it) there’s nothing hidden about the power responsible for what good comes their way, and anyhow when bad things happen it is His will too.
    My own stab at a reasonable answer is: “Comedians, especially ones with a political bent.” Whatever secret cabals may be behind the rise of the Palins, Trumps, and Cruzes of the world, they are clearly intent on making comedians happy.
    –TP

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  76. “In the end, I became a mason and I’ve been happy with my choice ever since. In fact, not applying would probably not have hurt me in any way, though I still wonder why my brothers wanted me to join their esteemed fellowship.”
    Like me, and others before us, the question looms about why an individual would want to join a club that wants that individual as a member.
    What gives? Something doesn’t add up, and when it does, it’s sure to be an odd number with implications.
    Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity, George Bernard Shaw said.
    Surgeons, having a specialized knowledge moat around what they do, loved the invention of anesthesia because they were able to apply their specialized knowledge while the subject is out cold, in case the patient might get the idea that he could do the procedure on himself and save some money.
    Other professions — I don’t know — realtors, car mechanics (when I look under the hood of a car that’s not working, all I can think of is the conspiracy of knowledge I’m not privy to), stock brokers — you get the idea, probably wish they could slip their customers a mickey and put them under, too, just to get on with the fleecing without too many questions.
    You ever wonder why barbers and hair stylists stand BEHIND you when they do their thing?
    Yeah, well, you’d better start wondering.
    Oh sure, sometimes the two of you are facing a mirror, but try doing what they do to you, yourself, at home. Every movement is opposite in a mirror, to the brain. If you try to cut your own hair just as they did, you end up using the opposite hand and it just won’t work.
    Barbers know that.
    And there is always a quiet guy, seemingly minding his own business, with his nose in the baseball box scores, sitting and waiting in a chair nearby for his turn at a haircut.
    What’s his story? Are he and the barber in cahoots somehow, I’d like to know? Is he there on the sly just in case things get out of hand and you start asking too many prying questions about what goes on at those barber schools?
    If you wait outside the barber shop when your haircut is done, invariably, and I mean every time, exactly 20 minutes after YOU left, that quiet guy leaves the joint too, but you can’t tell whether he got a haircut or not. Is it just a trim?
    If he sees you, he nods at you, like maybe you’re both now in league somehow and have been the recipients of some arcane wisdom.
    Hanh?
    It doesn’t bear thinking about.

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  77. “In the end, I became a mason and I’ve been happy with my choice ever since. In fact, not applying would probably not have hurt me in any way, though I still wonder why my brothers wanted me to join their esteemed fellowship.”
    Like me, and others before us, the question looms about why an individual would want to join a club that wants that individual as a member.
    What gives? Something doesn’t add up, and when it does, it’s sure to be an odd number with implications.
    Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity, George Bernard Shaw said.
    Surgeons, having a specialized knowledge moat around what they do, loved the invention of anesthesia because they were able to apply their specialized knowledge while the subject is out cold, in case the patient might get the idea that he could do the procedure on himself and save some money.
    Other professions — I don’t know — realtors, car mechanics (when I look under the hood of a car that’s not working, all I can think of is the conspiracy of knowledge I’m not privy to), stock brokers — you get the idea, probably wish they could slip their customers a mickey and put them under, too, just to get on with the fleecing without too many questions.
    You ever wonder why barbers and hair stylists stand BEHIND you when they do their thing?
    Yeah, well, you’d better start wondering.
    Oh sure, sometimes the two of you are facing a mirror, but try doing what they do to you, yourself, at home. Every movement is opposite in a mirror, to the brain. If you try to cut your own hair just as they did, you end up using the opposite hand and it just won’t work.
    Barbers know that.
    And there is always a quiet guy, seemingly minding his own business, with his nose in the baseball box scores, sitting and waiting in a chair nearby for his turn at a haircut.
    What’s his story? Are he and the barber in cahoots somehow, I’d like to know? Is he there on the sly just in case things get out of hand and you start asking too many prying questions about what goes on at those barber schools?
    If you wait outside the barber shop when your haircut is done, invariably, and I mean every time, exactly 20 minutes after YOU left, that quiet guy leaves the joint too, but you can’t tell whether he got a haircut or not. Is it just a trim?
    If he sees you, he nods at you, like maybe you’re both now in league somehow and have been the recipients of some arcane wisdom.
    Hanh?
    It doesn’t bear thinking about.

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  78. “In the end, I became a mason and I’ve been happy with my choice ever since. In fact, not applying would probably not have hurt me in any way, though I still wonder why my brothers wanted me to join their esteemed fellowship.”
    Like me, and others before us, the question looms about why an individual would want to join a club that wants that individual as a member.
    What gives? Something doesn’t add up, and when it does, it’s sure to be an odd number with implications.
    Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity, George Bernard Shaw said.
    Surgeons, having a specialized knowledge moat around what they do, loved the invention of anesthesia because they were able to apply their specialized knowledge while the subject is out cold, in case the patient might get the idea that he could do the procedure on himself and save some money.
    Other professions — I don’t know — realtors, car mechanics (when I look under the hood of a car that’s not working, all I can think of is the conspiracy of knowledge I’m not privy to), stock brokers — you get the idea, probably wish they could slip their customers a mickey and put them under, too, just to get on with the fleecing without too many questions.
    You ever wonder why barbers and hair stylists stand BEHIND you when they do their thing?
    Yeah, well, you’d better start wondering.
    Oh sure, sometimes the two of you are facing a mirror, but try doing what they do to you, yourself, at home. Every movement is opposite in a mirror, to the brain. If you try to cut your own hair just as they did, you end up using the opposite hand and it just won’t work.
    Barbers know that.
    And there is always a quiet guy, seemingly minding his own business, with his nose in the baseball box scores, sitting and waiting in a chair nearby for his turn at a haircut.
    What’s his story? Are he and the barber in cahoots somehow, I’d like to know? Is he there on the sly just in case things get out of hand and you start asking too many prying questions about what goes on at those barber schools?
    If you wait outside the barber shop when your haircut is done, invariably, and I mean every time, exactly 20 minutes after YOU left, that quiet guy leaves the joint too, but you can’t tell whether he got a haircut or not. Is it just a trim?
    If he sees you, he nods at you, like maybe you’re both now in league somehow and have been the recipients of some arcane wisdom.
    Hanh?
    It doesn’t bear thinking about.

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  79. from chris y’ link:

    The facts of the case from the perspective of The Quotemeister and associates are as follows. Aidan Mackey, of England’s Chesterton Study Centre, first brought the problem of this puzzling “sourceless” quotation to our attention in 1992. A few months later, Geir Hasnes (a bibliographer and editor of Chesterton residing in Norway) sent us a copy of an interview Umberto Eco gave to a Norwegian magazine in which the novelist stated that he had based his novel, Foucault’s Pendulum, on this very Chesterton epigram.

    the cynic (raises hand) would say that believing god is responsible for everything is not quite so different from believing in not-Chesterton’s “anything”.

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  80. from chris y’ link:

    The facts of the case from the perspective of The Quotemeister and associates are as follows. Aidan Mackey, of England’s Chesterton Study Centre, first brought the problem of this puzzling “sourceless” quotation to our attention in 1992. A few months later, Geir Hasnes (a bibliographer and editor of Chesterton residing in Norway) sent us a copy of an interview Umberto Eco gave to a Norwegian magazine in which the novelist stated that he had based his novel, Foucault’s Pendulum, on this very Chesterton epigram.

    the cynic (raises hand) would say that believing god is responsible for everything is not quite so different from believing in not-Chesterton’s “anything”.

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  81. from chris y’ link:

    The facts of the case from the perspective of The Quotemeister and associates are as follows. Aidan Mackey, of England’s Chesterton Study Centre, first brought the problem of this puzzling “sourceless” quotation to our attention in 1992. A few months later, Geir Hasnes (a bibliographer and editor of Chesterton residing in Norway) sent us a copy of an interview Umberto Eco gave to a Norwegian magazine in which the novelist stated that he had based his novel, Foucault’s Pendulum, on this very Chesterton epigram.

    the cynic (raises hand) would say that believing god is responsible for everything is not quite so different from believing in not-Chesterton’s “anything”.

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  82. Alright, poking fingers at conspiracy theorists is fun and all, but I think it is much more worthwhile to investigate all the nonsense that is presented as the common sense, widely accepted narrative – e.g. immigrants take our jobs, capitalism is without alternative etc.

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  83. Alright, poking fingers at conspiracy theorists is fun and all, but I think it is much more worthwhile to investigate all the nonsense that is presented as the common sense, widely accepted narrative – e.g. immigrants take our jobs, capitalism is without alternative etc.

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  84. Alright, poking fingers at conspiracy theorists is fun and all, but I think it is much more worthwhile to investigate all the nonsense that is presented as the common sense, widely accepted narrative – e.g. immigrants take our jobs, capitalism is without alternative etc.

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  85. Countme-in,
    in this case, I’m almost two decades younger than an average newcomer, command perhaps half of their median income and am about one or two levels lower in my employer’s organisation than new members who have joined after me or within a few years before me are in theirs. The other folks are really “pillars of community”. I am not. I really wonder.
    BTW, the main answer for me was: if you want to live your life in a small town, it pays off to join a fraternal organisation appropriate to your social status. If you don’t belong to any, people will believe, correctly, that you are too proud or too antisocial to mingle with them. That will cause problems.

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  86. Countme-in,
    in this case, I’m almost two decades younger than an average newcomer, command perhaps half of their median income and am about one or two levels lower in my employer’s organisation than new members who have joined after me or within a few years before me are in theirs. The other folks are really “pillars of community”. I am not. I really wonder.
    BTW, the main answer for me was: if you want to live your life in a small town, it pays off to join a fraternal organisation appropriate to your social status. If you don’t belong to any, people will believe, correctly, that you are too proud or too antisocial to mingle with them. That will cause problems.

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  87. Countme-in,
    in this case, I’m almost two decades younger than an average newcomer, command perhaps half of their median income and am about one or two levels lower in my employer’s organisation than new members who have joined after me or within a few years before me are in theirs. The other folks are really “pillars of community”. I am not. I really wonder.
    BTW, the main answer for me was: if you want to live your life in a small town, it pays off to join a fraternal organisation appropriate to your social status. If you don’t belong to any, people will believe, correctly, that you are too proud or too antisocial to mingle with them. That will cause problems.

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  88. “Whatever secret cabals may be behind the rise of the Palins, Trumps, and Cruzes of the world, they are clearly intent on making comedians happy.”
    You can thank Loki for that. Now, he can be a bit cruel with his pranks, like when he helps one of those morons actually get elected

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  89. “Whatever secret cabals may be behind the rise of the Palins, Trumps, and Cruzes of the world, they are clearly intent on making comedians happy.”
    You can thank Loki for that. Now, he can be a bit cruel with his pranks, like when he helps one of those morons actually get elected

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  90. “Whatever secret cabals may be behind the rise of the Palins, Trumps, and Cruzes of the world, they are clearly intent on making comedians happy.”
    You can thank Loki for that. Now, he can be a bit cruel with his pranks, like when he helps one of those morons actually get elected

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  91. Nigel, if you dislike all of the current political class, in both parties, Trump and Sanders share the characteristic on not being really part of that class. (Sanders, after all, is a self-described socialist.)

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  92. Nigel, if you dislike all of the current political class, in both parties, Trump and Sanders share the characteristic on not being really part of that class. (Sanders, after all, is a self-described socialist.)

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  93. Nigel, if you dislike all of the current political class, in both parties, Trump and Sanders share the characteristic on not being really part of that class. (Sanders, after all, is a self-described socialist.)

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  94. Fair.point – though Sanders seems (in European terms) more of a social democrat than a socialist.
    Apart from his attachment to protectionism, his policy stances look pretty sensible to me.
    A Sanders presidency is not a particularly daunting prospect, whereas the thought of Trump’s finger on the nuclear button frankly disturbs me.

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  95. Fair.point – though Sanders seems (in European terms) more of a social democrat than a socialist.
    Apart from his attachment to protectionism, his policy stances look pretty sensible to me.
    A Sanders presidency is not a particularly daunting prospect, whereas the thought of Trump’s finger on the nuclear button frankly disturbs me.

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  96. Fair.point – though Sanders seems (in European terms) more of a social democrat than a socialist.
    Apart from his attachment to protectionism, his policy stances look pretty sensible to me.
    A Sanders presidency is not a particularly daunting prospect, whereas the thought of Trump’s finger on the nuclear button frankly disturbs me.

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  97. Nigel: your kindness and decency are showing, when you neglect to put scare-quotes around “culture”.
    And wasn’t it the Scots who started the “deep-fried candy bar” thing? Okay, butter is just the next logical step. Next up: huge globs of pork fat, battered and deep-fried, on a stick.

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  98. Nigel: your kindness and decency are showing, when you neglect to put scare-quotes around “culture”.
    And wasn’t it the Scots who started the “deep-fried candy bar” thing? Okay, butter is just the next logical step. Next up: huge globs of pork fat, battered and deep-fried, on a stick.

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  99. Nigel: your kindness and decency are showing, when you neglect to put scare-quotes around “culture”.
    And wasn’t it the Scots who started the “deep-fried candy bar” thing? Okay, butter is just the next logical step. Next up: huge globs of pork fat, battered and deep-fried, on a stick.

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  100. If you drive through the American Midwest from Kansas to say, the Pennsylvania state line, and pull in at highway rest stops and/or fast food joints, you’ll find out why bad things happen to good decent people.
    Great waddling specimens of human beings, holding aloft fried just-about-anything you can skewer on a stick in either hand, haul themselves out of their cars in the thick summer humidity and make their way from the parking lots.
    They call it flyover country because the FAA mandates that aircraft have to fly a minimum of 30,000 feet altitude to avoid the millions of sticks with every kind of food on them held aloft across the countryside.
    They also call it the heartland. Might as well call it heart attack land and diabetic land as well.
    All lovely people, salt of the earth, but there is no religion that can provide explanation or balm for the souls who gnaw fried butter off a stick, unless it’s some odd orgiastic culinary cult that worships the God of the Corn Dog.
    And keep your dag-blessed gummint hands off my Medicare, Obama, because I’m scheduled for thrice weekly kidney dialysis and varicose vein surgery in the near future and yer commie Obamascare has large deductibles.
    For the record, March 21 is National Corn Dog day. It’s also National Common Courtesy Day, which is why political consultants advise presidential candidates (really, they do) kissing babies at state fair to forgo wrapping their mouths around corn dogs on camera, otherwise it unfortunately looks more like National Monica Lewinsky Visits the Oval Office Day to some of our more discourteous pundits, and the photos get around.
    So they opt for fried butter on a stick, fried meatloaf on a stick, and fried horse puckey on a stick.
    Furthermore, ladies and gentleman (can ya hear me there, I say, can you hear me in the back?), the corn dog and the concept of frying food on sticks was issued an American patent in 1929. Even though the absolutely brilliant concept occurred simultaneously to entrepreneurial types (much like theories of evolution, gravity and computer code occur to several geniuses at roughly the same time), the corn dog patent, if I’m not wikimistaken was issued to German immigrant corn dog purveyors out of Texas, which is some kind of lethal combination — German Texans, howdy heil hitler, I’d venture — to get back to the subject of the post — why bad things happen — especially when you consider Texan attitudes vis a vis immigration, etc.
    If you don’t believe me about this fateful confluence of events, you’re not sufficiently paranoid.
    Consider that directly after the corn dog patent was issued, the American stock market and markets around the world crashed like a vat of hot lard tipping over, plunging the world into the Great Depression AND, by golly, THIS happened too at nearly the same time:
    “Gustav Stresemann, the outstanding German Foreign Minister, had died in October 1929, just before the Wall Street crash. He had spent years working to restore the German economy and stabilize the republic and died, having exhausted himself in the process.”
    Corn dogs patented, stock market crashes, the rise of Hitler — all of a piece, I’m telling ya.
    And now that I’ve learned that people are putting fried butter on a stick in their mouths in the clear light of day, my stock market indicators that seem to point to some kind of convulsive plunge here shortly — this Fall — are beginning to make sense.
    If Donald Trump holds up in the polls and starts doing funny walks in the next few weeks, you ignore me at your peril.

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  101. If you drive through the American Midwest from Kansas to say, the Pennsylvania state line, and pull in at highway rest stops and/or fast food joints, you’ll find out why bad things happen to good decent people.
    Great waddling specimens of human beings, holding aloft fried just-about-anything you can skewer on a stick in either hand, haul themselves out of their cars in the thick summer humidity and make their way from the parking lots.
    They call it flyover country because the FAA mandates that aircraft have to fly a minimum of 30,000 feet altitude to avoid the millions of sticks with every kind of food on them held aloft across the countryside.
    They also call it the heartland. Might as well call it heart attack land and diabetic land as well.
    All lovely people, salt of the earth, but there is no religion that can provide explanation or balm for the souls who gnaw fried butter off a stick, unless it’s some odd orgiastic culinary cult that worships the God of the Corn Dog.
    And keep your dag-blessed gummint hands off my Medicare, Obama, because I’m scheduled for thrice weekly kidney dialysis and varicose vein surgery in the near future and yer commie Obamascare has large deductibles.
    For the record, March 21 is National Corn Dog day. It’s also National Common Courtesy Day, which is why political consultants advise presidential candidates (really, they do) kissing babies at state fair to forgo wrapping their mouths around corn dogs on camera, otherwise it unfortunately looks more like National Monica Lewinsky Visits the Oval Office Day to some of our more discourteous pundits, and the photos get around.
    So they opt for fried butter on a stick, fried meatloaf on a stick, and fried horse puckey on a stick.
    Furthermore, ladies and gentleman (can ya hear me there, I say, can you hear me in the back?), the corn dog and the concept of frying food on sticks was issued an American patent in 1929. Even though the absolutely brilliant concept occurred simultaneously to entrepreneurial types (much like theories of evolution, gravity and computer code occur to several geniuses at roughly the same time), the corn dog patent, if I’m not wikimistaken was issued to German immigrant corn dog purveyors out of Texas, which is some kind of lethal combination — German Texans, howdy heil hitler, I’d venture — to get back to the subject of the post — why bad things happen — especially when you consider Texan attitudes vis a vis immigration, etc.
    If you don’t believe me about this fateful confluence of events, you’re not sufficiently paranoid.
    Consider that directly after the corn dog patent was issued, the American stock market and markets around the world crashed like a vat of hot lard tipping over, plunging the world into the Great Depression AND, by golly, THIS happened too at nearly the same time:
    “Gustav Stresemann, the outstanding German Foreign Minister, had died in October 1929, just before the Wall Street crash. He had spent years working to restore the German economy and stabilize the republic and died, having exhausted himself in the process.”
    Corn dogs patented, stock market crashes, the rise of Hitler — all of a piece, I’m telling ya.
    And now that I’ve learned that people are putting fried butter on a stick in their mouths in the clear light of day, my stock market indicators that seem to point to some kind of convulsive plunge here shortly — this Fall — are beginning to make sense.
    If Donald Trump holds up in the polls and starts doing funny walks in the next few weeks, you ignore me at your peril.

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  102. If you drive through the American Midwest from Kansas to say, the Pennsylvania state line, and pull in at highway rest stops and/or fast food joints, you’ll find out why bad things happen to good decent people.
    Great waddling specimens of human beings, holding aloft fried just-about-anything you can skewer on a stick in either hand, haul themselves out of their cars in the thick summer humidity and make their way from the parking lots.
    They call it flyover country because the FAA mandates that aircraft have to fly a minimum of 30,000 feet altitude to avoid the millions of sticks with every kind of food on them held aloft across the countryside.
    They also call it the heartland. Might as well call it heart attack land and diabetic land as well.
    All lovely people, salt of the earth, but there is no religion that can provide explanation or balm for the souls who gnaw fried butter off a stick, unless it’s some odd orgiastic culinary cult that worships the God of the Corn Dog.
    And keep your dag-blessed gummint hands off my Medicare, Obama, because I’m scheduled for thrice weekly kidney dialysis and varicose vein surgery in the near future and yer commie Obamascare has large deductibles.
    For the record, March 21 is National Corn Dog day. It’s also National Common Courtesy Day, which is why political consultants advise presidential candidates (really, they do) kissing babies at state fair to forgo wrapping their mouths around corn dogs on camera, otherwise it unfortunately looks more like National Monica Lewinsky Visits the Oval Office Day to some of our more discourteous pundits, and the photos get around.
    So they opt for fried butter on a stick, fried meatloaf on a stick, and fried horse puckey on a stick.
    Furthermore, ladies and gentleman (can ya hear me there, I say, can you hear me in the back?), the corn dog and the concept of frying food on sticks was issued an American patent in 1929. Even though the absolutely brilliant concept occurred simultaneously to entrepreneurial types (much like theories of evolution, gravity and computer code occur to several geniuses at roughly the same time), the corn dog patent, if I’m not wikimistaken was issued to German immigrant corn dog purveyors out of Texas, which is some kind of lethal combination — German Texans, howdy heil hitler, I’d venture — to get back to the subject of the post — why bad things happen — especially when you consider Texan attitudes vis a vis immigration, etc.
    If you don’t believe me about this fateful confluence of events, you’re not sufficiently paranoid.
    Consider that directly after the corn dog patent was issued, the American stock market and markets around the world crashed like a vat of hot lard tipping over, plunging the world into the Great Depression AND, by golly, THIS happened too at nearly the same time:
    “Gustav Stresemann, the outstanding German Foreign Minister, had died in October 1929, just before the Wall Street crash. He had spent years working to restore the German economy and stabilize the republic and died, having exhausted himself in the process.”
    Corn dogs patented, stock market crashes, the rise of Hitler — all of a piece, I’m telling ya.
    And now that I’ve learned that people are putting fried butter on a stick in their mouths in the clear light of day, my stock market indicators that seem to point to some kind of convulsive plunge here shortly — this Fall — are beginning to make sense.
    If Donald Trump holds up in the polls and starts doing funny walks in the next few weeks, you ignore me at your peril.

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  103. March 22 is National Goof Off Day, but it’s also National Diabetes Association Alert Day, which kind of takes the fun out of the goofing off.

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  104. March 22 is National Goof Off Day, but it’s also National Diabetes Association Alert Day, which kind of takes the fun out of the goofing off.

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  105. March 22 is National Goof Off Day, but it’s also National Diabetes Association Alert Day, which kind of takes the fun out of the goofing off.

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  106. I’m wondering if wrapping some sausage around the business end of an AK-47, coating it in corn meal and flash frying it, would violate any patents, not to mention if it would be turned away at any public venues in selected regions of the country.

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  107. I’m wondering if wrapping some sausage around the business end of an AK-47, coating it in corn meal and flash frying it, would violate any patents, not to mention if it would be turned away at any public venues in selected regions of the country.

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  108. I’m wondering if wrapping some sausage around the business end of an AK-47, coating it in corn meal and flash frying it, would violate any patents, not to mention if it would be turned away at any public venues in selected regions of the country.

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  109. If you drive through the American Midwest from Kansas to say, the Pennsylvania state line…
    At which point, you will be about to achieve Maximum Gravy, if my time in western PA is any indication.

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  110. If you drive through the American Midwest from Kansas to say, the Pennsylvania state line…
    At which point, you will be about to achieve Maximum Gravy, if my time in western PA is any indication.

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  111. If you drive through the American Midwest from Kansas to say, the Pennsylvania state line…
    At which point, you will be about to achieve Maximum Gravy, if my time in western PA is any indication.

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  112. Read those labels on the corn dogs, gravy, and your pharmaceuticals, now, people, because mandating transparency in labeling won’t be permitted in the near future:
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/first-amendment-law-facing-some-very-big-changes
    Requiring more speech, in the name of transparency, will violate the First Amendment.
    I suppose that next spill of arsenic on a stick into your water supply will go announced by the spillers because to force f*ckers to tell us what’s up will be disallowed under this First Amendment ruling, if blockhead dumbasses like Thomas et al prevail.
    Money, natch, will remain speech.
    This is why bad things happen. Because we elect and appoint pigf*cking, subhuman, conservative vermin to our legislatures and courts.
    Worse, very, very bad things on a stick need to happen to correct this ongoing catastrophe.

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  113. Read those labels on the corn dogs, gravy, and your pharmaceuticals, now, people, because mandating transparency in labeling won’t be permitted in the near future:
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/first-amendment-law-facing-some-very-big-changes
    Requiring more speech, in the name of transparency, will violate the First Amendment.
    I suppose that next spill of arsenic on a stick into your water supply will go announced by the spillers because to force f*ckers to tell us what’s up will be disallowed under this First Amendment ruling, if blockhead dumbasses like Thomas et al prevail.
    Money, natch, will remain speech.
    This is why bad things happen. Because we elect and appoint pigf*cking, subhuman, conservative vermin to our legislatures and courts.
    Worse, very, very bad things on a stick need to happen to correct this ongoing catastrophe.

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  114. Read those labels on the corn dogs, gravy, and your pharmaceuticals, now, people, because mandating transparency in labeling won’t be permitted in the near future:
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/first-amendment-law-facing-some-very-big-changes
    Requiring more speech, in the name of transparency, will violate the First Amendment.
    I suppose that next spill of arsenic on a stick into your water supply will go announced by the spillers because to force f*ckers to tell us what’s up will be disallowed under this First Amendment ruling, if blockhead dumbasses like Thomas et al prevail.
    Money, natch, will remain speech.
    This is why bad things happen. Because we elect and appoint pigf*cking, subhuman, conservative vermin to our legislatures and courts.
    Worse, very, very bad things on a stick need to happen to correct this ongoing catastrophe.

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  115. THIS guy entering the Republican primary for President scares the crap out of Trump and the other 17 runners-up:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-zimmerman-florida-gun-store-muslim-free
    Early straw polls show the vermin base favors Zimmerman’s hands-on experience and strength in cultural cleansing and murder as perquisites for what the next Republican Presidential monster must undertake against their enemies.
    True, he has no experience with chicken farming, but birds of a feather can undertake foul deeds too.

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  116. THIS guy entering the Republican primary for President scares the crap out of Trump and the other 17 runners-up:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-zimmerman-florida-gun-store-muslim-free
    Early straw polls show the vermin base favors Zimmerman’s hands-on experience and strength in cultural cleansing and murder as perquisites for what the next Republican Presidential monster must undertake against their enemies.
    True, he has no experience with chicken farming, but birds of a feather can undertake foul deeds too.

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  117. THIS guy entering the Republican primary for President scares the crap out of Trump and the other 17 runners-up:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-zimmerman-florida-gun-store-muslim-free
    Early straw polls show the vermin base favors Zimmerman’s hands-on experience and strength in cultural cleansing and murder as perquisites for what the next Republican Presidential monster must undertake against their enemies.
    True, he has no experience with chicken farming, but birds of a feather can undertake foul deeds too.

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  118. At which point, you will be about to achieve Maximum Gravy, if my time in western PA is any indication.
    Yeah, I’m going to confidently argue that the eastern border of the Midwest lies somewhere on the PA side of the OH-PA border. By the time you hit mid-PA things are starting to feel a bit more New Englandy, but rural western PA is Midwestern PA.

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  119. At which point, you will be about to achieve Maximum Gravy, if my time in western PA is any indication.
    Yeah, I’m going to confidently argue that the eastern border of the Midwest lies somewhere on the PA side of the OH-PA border. By the time you hit mid-PA things are starting to feel a bit more New Englandy, but rural western PA is Midwestern PA.

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  120. At which point, you will be about to achieve Maximum Gravy, if my time in western PA is any indication.
    Yeah, I’m going to confidently argue that the eastern border of the Midwest lies somewhere on the PA side of the OH-PA border. By the time you hit mid-PA things are starting to feel a bit more New Englandy, but rural western PA is Midwestern PA.

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  121. I’m from western PA and I can vouch for the border designations suggested here.
    In addition to gravy, you’ll want to put your fries, slaw, and any other sides directly on the sandwich with the main items.
    Then unhinch your jaws.
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.
    “because” their hatreds .. in the 12:38 pm

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  122. I’m from western PA and I can vouch for the border designations suggested here.
    In addition to gravy, you’ll want to put your fries, slaw, and any other sides directly on the sandwich with the main items.
    Then unhinch your jaws.
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.
    “because” their hatreds .. in the 12:38 pm

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  123. I’m from western PA and I can vouch for the border designations suggested here.
    In addition to gravy, you’ll want to put your fries, slaw, and any other sides directly on the sandwich with the main items.
    Then unhinch your jaws.
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.
    “because” their hatreds .. in the 12:38 pm

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  124. Count, that’s a great article. (I particularly like quoting Krauthammer on how well Obama’s approach has worked.) It really lays out how to deal with opponents, even bad-faith opponents, successfully.
    But I must admit that I’m having serious difficulty in seeing an implementation of it in most of your postings. What am I missing?

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  125. Count, that’s a great article. (I particularly like quoting Krauthammer on how well Obama’s approach has worked.) It really lays out how to deal with opponents, even bad-faith opponents, successfully.
    But I must admit that I’m having serious difficulty in seeing an implementation of it in most of your postings. What am I missing?

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  126. Count, that’s a great article. (I particularly like quoting Krauthammer on how well Obama’s approach has worked.) It really lays out how to deal with opponents, even bad-faith opponents, successfully.
    But I must admit that I’m having serious difficulty in seeing an implementation of it in most of your postings. What am I missing?

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  127. Yeah, I’m going to confidently argue that the eastern border of the Midwest lies somewhere on the PA side of the OH-PA border. By the time you hit mid-PA things are starting to feel a bit more New Englandy, but rural western PA is Midwestern PA.
    The other piece to western PA is that Pittsburgh is the de facto capital of Appalachia, or at least the more northern part, much the way Boston is to New England. But it is, none the less, primarily a Midwestern city AFAICT.

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  128. Yeah, I’m going to confidently argue that the eastern border of the Midwest lies somewhere on the PA side of the OH-PA border. By the time you hit mid-PA things are starting to feel a bit more New Englandy, but rural western PA is Midwestern PA.
    The other piece to western PA is that Pittsburgh is the de facto capital of Appalachia, or at least the more northern part, much the way Boston is to New England. But it is, none the less, primarily a Midwestern city AFAICT.

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  129. Yeah, I’m going to confidently argue that the eastern border of the Midwest lies somewhere on the PA side of the OH-PA border. By the time you hit mid-PA things are starting to feel a bit more New Englandy, but rural western PA is Midwestern PA.
    The other piece to western PA is that Pittsburgh is the de facto capital of Appalachia, or at least the more northern part, much the way Boston is to New England. But it is, none the less, primarily a Midwestern city AFAICT.

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  130. I’m deliberately NOT implementing it. Isn’t that clear? 😉
    I appreciate Obama’s method, in spite of his shortcomings, to my mind, and I’m glad it’s (kind of) “worked”, because he’s trying to govern a country in the face of bullying, malignant odds of historical intensity that have preceded other periods of violent upheaval in this country.
    Not many people have the temperament to conduct himself against enemies who wish the absolute worst for him, the country be damned, like Obama has.
    I know Marty and company will puke (let’s see how far they can project) when I say in that ONE respect Obama has been Lincolnesque in his conduct with his domestic enemies.
    So, when he is gone from the scene, I think these ilk should be talked to, treated, and dealt with as they have said and acted towards others over the past seven years, going on forty.
    I want to do it in the most politically incorrect ways possible, just to listen to them whine about how mean we are to them.
    And if they want to up the ante beyond this malign, uncivil rhetoric to something more permanent, via their gun-loving militias and haters who threaten violence over the airwaves and in public forums, all of whom this joke of a political party has encouraged and embraced to further its own ends, I can’t wait.
    I want an eye for an eye.
    I want both their eyes out, on sticks.
    Raw.

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  131. I’m deliberately NOT implementing it. Isn’t that clear? 😉
    I appreciate Obama’s method, in spite of his shortcomings, to my mind, and I’m glad it’s (kind of) “worked”, because he’s trying to govern a country in the face of bullying, malignant odds of historical intensity that have preceded other periods of violent upheaval in this country.
    Not many people have the temperament to conduct himself against enemies who wish the absolute worst for him, the country be damned, like Obama has.
    I know Marty and company will puke (let’s see how far they can project) when I say in that ONE respect Obama has been Lincolnesque in his conduct with his domestic enemies.
    So, when he is gone from the scene, I think these ilk should be talked to, treated, and dealt with as they have said and acted towards others over the past seven years, going on forty.
    I want to do it in the most politically incorrect ways possible, just to listen to them whine about how mean we are to them.
    And if they want to up the ante beyond this malign, uncivil rhetoric to something more permanent, via their gun-loving militias and haters who threaten violence over the airwaves and in public forums, all of whom this joke of a political party has encouraged and embraced to further its own ends, I can’t wait.
    I want an eye for an eye.
    I want both their eyes out, on sticks.
    Raw.

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  132. I’m deliberately NOT implementing it. Isn’t that clear? 😉
    I appreciate Obama’s method, in spite of his shortcomings, to my mind, and I’m glad it’s (kind of) “worked”, because he’s trying to govern a country in the face of bullying, malignant odds of historical intensity that have preceded other periods of violent upheaval in this country.
    Not many people have the temperament to conduct himself against enemies who wish the absolute worst for him, the country be damned, like Obama has.
    I know Marty and company will puke (let’s see how far they can project) when I say in that ONE respect Obama has been Lincolnesque in his conduct with his domestic enemies.
    So, when he is gone from the scene, I think these ilk should be talked to, treated, and dealt with as they have said and acted towards others over the past seven years, going on forty.
    I want to do it in the most politically incorrect ways possible, just to listen to them whine about how mean we are to them.
    And if they want to up the ante beyond this malign, uncivil rhetoric to something more permanent, via their gun-loving militias and haters who threaten violence over the airwaves and in public forums, all of whom this joke of a political party has encouraged and embraced to further its own ends, I can’t wait.
    I want an eye for an eye.
    I want both their eyes out, on sticks.
    Raw.

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  133. What am I missing?
    That the left’s prime directive is to always ask for more.
    And yes, that was a good article.

    Yup. As the Bible says, “As you reap, so shall ye sow,” and the American right deserves so much sowing, or sewing, or soing, or whatever….but they have it coming. They have asked for it.
    It’s time for that bill to come due (or do?)

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  134. What am I missing?
    That the left’s prime directive is to always ask for more.
    And yes, that was a good article.

    Yup. As the Bible says, “As you reap, so shall ye sow,” and the American right deserves so much sowing, or sewing, or soing, or whatever….but they have it coming. They have asked for it.
    It’s time for that bill to come due (or do?)

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  135. What am I missing?
    That the left’s prime directive is to always ask for more.
    And yes, that was a good article.

    Yup. As the Bible says, “As you reap, so shall ye sow,” and the American right deserves so much sowing, or sewing, or soing, or whatever….but they have it coming. They have asked for it.
    It’s time for that bill to come due (or do?)

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  136. I second (third, even) appreciation of the Count’s linked article. Very interesting, and explains a lot. But going back to the Frank Luntz situation, I don’t know if you all in the States are aware of the seminal role he played in getting David Cameron chosen as leader of the Conservative Party in the UK, and consequently our PM. Luntz’s (widely felt to be improperly conducted) focus group for Newsnight is generally considered to be what tipped the balance and gave Cameron the gig, with dire consequences we will feel for possibly the next decade.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/dec/10/comment.conservatives
    Hard to forgive, and so not for the first time the Count’s invective hath charms to soothe a savage breast.

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  137. I second (third, even) appreciation of the Count’s linked article. Very interesting, and explains a lot. But going back to the Frank Luntz situation, I don’t know if you all in the States are aware of the seminal role he played in getting David Cameron chosen as leader of the Conservative Party in the UK, and consequently our PM. Luntz’s (widely felt to be improperly conducted) focus group for Newsnight is generally considered to be what tipped the balance and gave Cameron the gig, with dire consequences we will feel for possibly the next decade.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/dec/10/comment.conservatives
    Hard to forgive, and so not for the first time the Count’s invective hath charms to soothe a savage breast.

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  138. I second (third, even) appreciation of the Count’s linked article. Very interesting, and explains a lot. But going back to the Frank Luntz situation, I don’t know if you all in the States are aware of the seminal role he played in getting David Cameron chosen as leader of the Conservative Party in the UK, and consequently our PM. Luntz’s (widely felt to be improperly conducted) focus group for Newsnight is generally considered to be what tipped the balance and gave Cameron the gig, with dire consequences we will feel for possibly the next decade.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/dec/10/comment.conservatives
    Hard to forgive, and so not for the first time the Count’s invective hath charms to soothe a savage breast.

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  139. Meanwhile Trump the pigf*cker goes after professional pigf8cking ratf*cker Frank Luntz.
    They can’t just sit down together and discuss hair products ?
    Luntz is a piece of work, having forged a successful career by repackaging Orwell’s Newspeak (“Words That Work”…etc).
    Giving high the credit for Cameron is going a bit too far, though.
    GftNC, while it’s possibly true that without the Luntz focus group, Cameron might not have got to be a frontrunner/contender, it’s going a bit far to describe that as having “tipped the balance”. A better campaign by David Davis, for example would probably have clinched the leadership.
    Interestingly, this fairly detailed account of the election doesn’t even mention Luntz:
    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/toryleadership/2005/12/how_cameron_won.html
    As for the “dire consequences”, I’m not sure what the argument is here ?
    Either it’s that Cameron is demonstrably worse in policy terms than any of the other contenders (Liam Fox, for example…really ?), or alternatively that the rest of them wouldn’t have become Prime Minister – in which case you’re saying Luntz was correct after all.

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  140. Meanwhile Trump the pigf*cker goes after professional pigf8cking ratf*cker Frank Luntz.
    They can’t just sit down together and discuss hair products ?
    Luntz is a piece of work, having forged a successful career by repackaging Orwell’s Newspeak (“Words That Work”…etc).
    Giving high the credit for Cameron is going a bit too far, though.
    GftNC, while it’s possibly true that without the Luntz focus group, Cameron might not have got to be a frontrunner/contender, it’s going a bit far to describe that as having “tipped the balance”. A better campaign by David Davis, for example would probably have clinched the leadership.
    Interestingly, this fairly detailed account of the election doesn’t even mention Luntz:
    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/toryleadership/2005/12/how_cameron_won.html
    As for the “dire consequences”, I’m not sure what the argument is here ?
    Either it’s that Cameron is demonstrably worse in policy terms than any of the other contenders (Liam Fox, for example…really ?), or alternatively that the rest of them wouldn’t have become Prime Minister – in which case you’re saying Luntz was correct after all.

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  141. Meanwhile Trump the pigf*cker goes after professional pigf8cking ratf*cker Frank Luntz.
    They can’t just sit down together and discuss hair products ?
    Luntz is a piece of work, having forged a successful career by repackaging Orwell’s Newspeak (“Words That Work”…etc).
    Giving high the credit for Cameron is going a bit too far, though.
    GftNC, while it’s possibly true that without the Luntz focus group, Cameron might not have got to be a frontrunner/contender, it’s going a bit far to describe that as having “tipped the balance”. A better campaign by David Davis, for example would probably have clinched the leadership.
    Interestingly, this fairly detailed account of the election doesn’t even mention Luntz:
    http://conservativehome.blogs.com/toryleadership/2005/12/how_cameron_won.html
    As for the “dire consequences”, I’m not sure what the argument is here ?
    Either it’s that Cameron is demonstrably worse in policy terms than any of the other contenders (Liam Fox, for example…really ?), or alternatively that the rest of them wouldn’t have become Prime Minister – in which case you’re saying Luntz was correct after all.

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  142. Trump will announce today that his “people” planned and set off the Tianjin explosion and that is just a taste of what China will get if it does not yield to President Trump’s demands by the end of his first day in office in 2017.
    A similar event will take place in Mexico City shortly.
    It will be huge, I’m telling you.

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  143. Trump will announce today that his “people” planned and set off the Tianjin explosion and that is just a taste of what China will get if it does not yield to President Trump’s demands by the end of his first day in office in 2017.
    A similar event will take place in Mexico City shortly.
    It will be huge, I’m telling you.

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  144. Trump will announce today that his “people” planned and set off the Tianjin explosion and that is just a taste of what China will get if it does not yield to President Trump’s demands by the end of his first day in office in 2017.
    A similar event will take place in Mexico City shortly.
    It will be huge, I’m telling you.

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  145. Nigel, that was an interesting piece from conservativehome, although I’m not sure that the omission of the Luntz episode from their analysis is particularly significant. They may not have wanted to give weight to any questioning of the legitimacy of the new leader, and they might not have wanted to highlight the importance of an American pollster/spin doctor/propagandist in the process. I remember the relevant Newsnight well, and the buzz that followed it, and I and many, many commentators thought it gave unjustified and misleading prominence to a lightweight former PR man, and paved the way for his ecstatic reception at the party conference, when as I recall the only notable (and much lauded) element of his speech was that he made it without notes.
    However, your point about the logical inconsistency of my argument is well-made. I may admire Davis more for his principled stands on torture, civil liberties etc, but many of his other, right-wing attitudes on capital punishment, climate change etc appal me, and as for Liam Fox I can only agree with you. But David Cameron’s lack of substance grates, and has led to consequences he didn’t intend (near-loss of Scottish referendum, foolish commitment to EU referendum). So I’m definitely not saying Luntz was correct, but any of the others (with the possible exception of Ken Clarke) may have been worse or as bad from my point of view, and I guess any of them might have beaten Gordon Brown. But what would have happened next, in terms of the election of Labour leader and then this last general election, is imponderable, since the difference would have been far greater than the beating of a butterfly’s wings on the other side of the world.

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  146. Nigel, that was an interesting piece from conservativehome, although I’m not sure that the omission of the Luntz episode from their analysis is particularly significant. They may not have wanted to give weight to any questioning of the legitimacy of the new leader, and they might not have wanted to highlight the importance of an American pollster/spin doctor/propagandist in the process. I remember the relevant Newsnight well, and the buzz that followed it, and I and many, many commentators thought it gave unjustified and misleading prominence to a lightweight former PR man, and paved the way for his ecstatic reception at the party conference, when as I recall the only notable (and much lauded) element of his speech was that he made it without notes.
    However, your point about the logical inconsistency of my argument is well-made. I may admire Davis more for his principled stands on torture, civil liberties etc, but many of his other, right-wing attitudes on capital punishment, climate change etc appal me, and as for Liam Fox I can only agree with you. But David Cameron’s lack of substance grates, and has led to consequences he didn’t intend (near-loss of Scottish referendum, foolish commitment to EU referendum). So I’m definitely not saying Luntz was correct, but any of the others (with the possible exception of Ken Clarke) may have been worse or as bad from my point of view, and I guess any of them might have beaten Gordon Brown. But what would have happened next, in terms of the election of Labour leader and then this last general election, is imponderable, since the difference would have been far greater than the beating of a butterfly’s wings on the other side of the world.

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  147. Nigel, that was an interesting piece from conservativehome, although I’m not sure that the omission of the Luntz episode from their analysis is particularly significant. They may not have wanted to give weight to any questioning of the legitimacy of the new leader, and they might not have wanted to highlight the importance of an American pollster/spin doctor/propagandist in the process. I remember the relevant Newsnight well, and the buzz that followed it, and I and many, many commentators thought it gave unjustified and misleading prominence to a lightweight former PR man, and paved the way for his ecstatic reception at the party conference, when as I recall the only notable (and much lauded) element of his speech was that he made it without notes.
    However, your point about the logical inconsistency of my argument is well-made. I may admire Davis more for his principled stands on torture, civil liberties etc, but many of his other, right-wing attitudes on capital punishment, climate change etc appal me, and as for Liam Fox I can only agree with you. But David Cameron’s lack of substance grates, and has led to consequences he didn’t intend (near-loss of Scottish referendum, foolish commitment to EU referendum). So I’m definitely not saying Luntz was correct, but any of the others (with the possible exception of Ken Clarke) may have been worse or as bad from my point of view, and I guess any of them might have beaten Gordon Brown. But what would have happened next, in terms of the election of Labour leader and then this last general election, is imponderable, since the difference would have been far greater than the beating of a butterfly’s wings on the other side of the world.

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  148. I’ve heard the phrase “Fist O’God”, but it was in the context of connecting a copper wire to a rocket that is shot into a thunderstorm, to channel a lightning strike to a particular target.
    Really, should be “Fist O’Thor”, though.

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  149. I’ve heard the phrase “Fist O’God”, but it was in the context of connecting a copper wire to a rocket that is shot into a thunderstorm, to channel a lightning strike to a particular target.
    Really, should be “Fist O’Thor”, though.

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  150. I’ve heard the phrase “Fist O’God”, but it was in the context of connecting a copper wire to a rocket that is shot into a thunderstorm, to channel a lightning strike to a particular target.
    Really, should be “Fist O’Thor”, though.

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  151. I believe to remember that the project was originally ‘Thors’s Hammer’. I assume that had to be Christianized because someone complained about the pagan connection.
    That ‘rod’ has certain other ‘vibrations’* was either overlooked or seen as additional badassery.
    *see ‘Orcus on his Throne’ on tvtropes.org for NSFW details.

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  152. I believe to remember that the project was originally ‘Thors’s Hammer’. I assume that had to be Christianized because someone complained about the pagan connection.
    That ‘rod’ has certain other ‘vibrations’* was either overlooked or seen as additional badassery.
    *see ‘Orcus on his Throne’ on tvtropes.org for NSFW details.

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  153. I believe to remember that the project was originally ‘Thors’s Hammer’. I assume that had to be Christianized because someone complained about the pagan connection.
    That ‘rod’ has certain other ‘vibrations’* was either overlooked or seen as additional badassery.
    *see ‘Orcus on his Throne’ on tvtropes.org for NSFW details.

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  154. We know who 2 of the estimated 40 people who worked for Dick Cheney are, only because one was indicated and the other was subpoenaed to testify. We don’t know who the other 38 were, what their job titles were, or what they were paid. Nor do we know what went into the diesel powered shredders parked in front of the VP’s residence and the Old Executive Office Building for two week at the end of Cheney’s administration.
    Another thing we don’t know: how did the theories of the Project for a New American Century go from the near-lunatic ravings of the hard right in 1998 to being global US policy in 2008.
    But, you know: not possible to keep a conspiracy if there are more than 1 involved. Right?

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  155. We know who 2 of the estimated 40 people who worked for Dick Cheney are, only because one was indicated and the other was subpoenaed to testify. We don’t know who the other 38 were, what their job titles were, or what they were paid. Nor do we know what went into the diesel powered shredders parked in front of the VP’s residence and the Old Executive Office Building for two week at the end of Cheney’s administration.
    Another thing we don’t know: how did the theories of the Project for a New American Century go from the near-lunatic ravings of the hard right in 1998 to being global US policy in 2008.
    But, you know: not possible to keep a conspiracy if there are more than 1 involved. Right?

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  156. We know who 2 of the estimated 40 people who worked for Dick Cheney are, only because one was indicated and the other was subpoenaed to testify. We don’t know who the other 38 were, what their job titles were, or what they were paid. Nor do we know what went into the diesel powered shredders parked in front of the VP’s residence and the Old Executive Office Building for two week at the end of Cheney’s administration.
    Another thing we don’t know: how did the theories of the Project for a New American Century go from the near-lunatic ravings of the hard right in 1998 to being global US policy in 2008.
    But, you know: not possible to keep a conspiracy if there are more than 1 involved. Right?

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  157. “Another thing we don’t know: how did the theories of the Project for a New American Century go from the near-lunatic ravings of the hard right in 1998 to being global US policy in 2008.”
    Oh, I think we do know how.
    The scandal is not that these malign lunatics SECRETLY shaped and directed American foreign policy (why stop there? how about domestic policy?) with the awful consequences we’re now living with, it is that the dumbass American people, with eyes wide shut, elected the anti-American filth who then hired the lunatics to work in and pervert our governmental institutions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
    What’s so secret about the American Enterprise Institute’s ties to the Project?
    What’s so secret about William Kristol? He’s shoots his mouth off all over the tube weekly, telling us exactly how it’s going to be.
    Isn’t this the guy who unilaterally decided back in the 1990s that hospital emergency rooms would remain the exclusive expensive route for the indigent and some of the middle class to seek out medical care, if they were able to afford even that?
    And told us so dozens of times. And the pigs among us loved it, because you can’t go wrong underestimating the sadism of roughly half of the American electorate vis a vis domestic priorities and its blood lust when it comes to foreign policy.
    Was there some big secret about the intentions of George W. Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and most of all, Cheney?
    Didn’t the architect of the Project for the New American Century, Bill Kristol tell us ad nauseum that Sarah Death Palin would be a “formidable” candidate for Vice President, a heartbeat away from running the joint.
    Is it any secret who bankrolls Scott Walker and his policies, for example? The Koch Brothers tell us what they are going to do to us ans who they’ve placed in power to do it to us and half of us fall to our knees and start sucking.
    Teachers and prison guards in Wisconsin know what’s up. The latter are threatening not only strikes, but violence, in the face of how they’ve been treated.
    Is it any surprise that the 18 malign dunces now putting forth cockamamie but, to their f8cked-up, sadistic “minds”, obvious policy ideas like the mass deportation of 11 million human beings, walls built around the country, drone attacks along the Mexican border, outlawing teacher lounges in public schools, swiping the healthcare of 16 million Americans (and more), not to mention the constant damaging machinations of nearly every legislature bought and paid for by right-wing business filth in this country, think they might have a go of it?
    Every day, the latest vermin idea issuing from their mouths causes a surge in their poll numbers.
    Those are your goddamned, armed, right-wing, ignorant idiot neighbors calling for the blood vengeance against their enemies — the rest of us — they long for.
    Kristol et al, do seem to be experiencing some indigestion at the prospect of a Trump Presidency, but that’s because the only murderous cannons they don’t like are the seemingly loose ones.
    They’ll have it well in hand in due time.
    Heck, already, the Investor’s Business Daily editorial page, a nest of vermin, anti-American predators, is endorsing Trump’s immigration “policy” eructations.
    Those who control the hairpiece control the man. The scalp massages will begin soon.
    The comb over is there for all to see.
    See, the problem is, among the American electorate, all the wrong people are armed, and I’m not talking duck hunters, so spare me the quacking.
    I favor the 11 million immigrants who will be boarded up in boxcars getting themselves heavily armed — it’s easy to do in this violent country — to prepare for and defend themselves against what’s coming.
    Same with those enrolled in Obamacare and Medicaid.
    Get mad AND get even in self defense.

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  158. “Another thing we don’t know: how did the theories of the Project for a New American Century go from the near-lunatic ravings of the hard right in 1998 to being global US policy in 2008.”
    Oh, I think we do know how.
    The scandal is not that these malign lunatics SECRETLY shaped and directed American foreign policy (why stop there? how about domestic policy?) with the awful consequences we’re now living with, it is that the dumbass American people, with eyes wide shut, elected the anti-American filth who then hired the lunatics to work in and pervert our governmental institutions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
    What’s so secret about the American Enterprise Institute’s ties to the Project?
    What’s so secret about William Kristol? He’s shoots his mouth off all over the tube weekly, telling us exactly how it’s going to be.
    Isn’t this the guy who unilaterally decided back in the 1990s that hospital emergency rooms would remain the exclusive expensive route for the indigent and some of the middle class to seek out medical care, if they were able to afford even that?
    And told us so dozens of times. And the pigs among us loved it, because you can’t go wrong underestimating the sadism of roughly half of the American electorate vis a vis domestic priorities and its blood lust when it comes to foreign policy.
    Was there some big secret about the intentions of George W. Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and most of all, Cheney?
    Didn’t the architect of the Project for the New American Century, Bill Kristol tell us ad nauseum that Sarah Death Palin would be a “formidable” candidate for Vice President, a heartbeat away from running the joint.
    Is it any secret who bankrolls Scott Walker and his policies, for example? The Koch Brothers tell us what they are going to do to us ans who they’ve placed in power to do it to us and half of us fall to our knees and start sucking.
    Teachers and prison guards in Wisconsin know what’s up. The latter are threatening not only strikes, but violence, in the face of how they’ve been treated.
    Is it any surprise that the 18 malign dunces now putting forth cockamamie but, to their f8cked-up, sadistic “minds”, obvious policy ideas like the mass deportation of 11 million human beings, walls built around the country, drone attacks along the Mexican border, outlawing teacher lounges in public schools, swiping the healthcare of 16 million Americans (and more), not to mention the constant damaging machinations of nearly every legislature bought and paid for by right-wing business filth in this country, think they might have a go of it?
    Every day, the latest vermin idea issuing from their mouths causes a surge in their poll numbers.
    Those are your goddamned, armed, right-wing, ignorant idiot neighbors calling for the blood vengeance against their enemies — the rest of us — they long for.
    Kristol et al, do seem to be experiencing some indigestion at the prospect of a Trump Presidency, but that’s because the only murderous cannons they don’t like are the seemingly loose ones.
    They’ll have it well in hand in due time.
    Heck, already, the Investor’s Business Daily editorial page, a nest of vermin, anti-American predators, is endorsing Trump’s immigration “policy” eructations.
    Those who control the hairpiece control the man. The scalp massages will begin soon.
    The comb over is there for all to see.
    See, the problem is, among the American electorate, all the wrong people are armed, and I’m not talking duck hunters, so spare me the quacking.
    I favor the 11 million immigrants who will be boarded up in boxcars getting themselves heavily armed — it’s easy to do in this violent country — to prepare for and defend themselves against what’s coming.
    Same with those enrolled in Obamacare and Medicaid.
    Get mad AND get even in self defense.

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  159. “Another thing we don’t know: how did the theories of the Project for a New American Century go from the near-lunatic ravings of the hard right in 1998 to being global US policy in 2008.”
    Oh, I think we do know how.
    The scandal is not that these malign lunatics SECRETLY shaped and directed American foreign policy (why stop there? how about domestic policy?) with the awful consequences we’re now living with, it is that the dumbass American people, with eyes wide shut, elected the anti-American filth who then hired the lunatics to work in and pervert our governmental institutions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
    What’s so secret about the American Enterprise Institute’s ties to the Project?
    What’s so secret about William Kristol? He’s shoots his mouth off all over the tube weekly, telling us exactly how it’s going to be.
    Isn’t this the guy who unilaterally decided back in the 1990s that hospital emergency rooms would remain the exclusive expensive route for the indigent and some of the middle class to seek out medical care, if they were able to afford even that?
    And told us so dozens of times. And the pigs among us loved it, because you can’t go wrong underestimating the sadism of roughly half of the American electorate vis a vis domestic priorities and its blood lust when it comes to foreign policy.
    Was there some big secret about the intentions of George W. Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and most of all, Cheney?
    Didn’t the architect of the Project for the New American Century, Bill Kristol tell us ad nauseum that Sarah Death Palin would be a “formidable” candidate for Vice President, a heartbeat away from running the joint.
    Is it any secret who bankrolls Scott Walker and his policies, for example? The Koch Brothers tell us what they are going to do to us ans who they’ve placed in power to do it to us and half of us fall to our knees and start sucking.
    Teachers and prison guards in Wisconsin know what’s up. The latter are threatening not only strikes, but violence, in the face of how they’ve been treated.
    Is it any surprise that the 18 malign dunces now putting forth cockamamie but, to their f8cked-up, sadistic “minds”, obvious policy ideas like the mass deportation of 11 million human beings, walls built around the country, drone attacks along the Mexican border, outlawing teacher lounges in public schools, swiping the healthcare of 16 million Americans (and more), not to mention the constant damaging machinations of nearly every legislature bought and paid for by right-wing business filth in this country, think they might have a go of it?
    Every day, the latest vermin idea issuing from their mouths causes a surge in their poll numbers.
    Those are your goddamned, armed, right-wing, ignorant idiot neighbors calling for the blood vengeance against their enemies — the rest of us — they long for.
    Kristol et al, do seem to be experiencing some indigestion at the prospect of a Trump Presidency, but that’s because the only murderous cannons they don’t like are the seemingly loose ones.
    They’ll have it well in hand in due time.
    Heck, already, the Investor’s Business Daily editorial page, a nest of vermin, anti-American predators, is endorsing Trump’s immigration “policy” eructations.
    Those who control the hairpiece control the man. The scalp massages will begin soon.
    The comb over is there for all to see.
    See, the problem is, among the American electorate, all the wrong people are armed, and I’m not talking duck hunters, so spare me the quacking.
    I favor the 11 million immigrants who will be boarded up in boxcars getting themselves heavily armed — it’s easy to do in this violent country — to prepare for and defend themselves against what’s coming.
    Same with those enrolled in Obamacare and Medicaid.
    Get mad AND get even in self defense.

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  160. you can’t go wrong underestimating the sadism of roughly half of the American electorate vis a vis domestic priorities and its blood lust when it comes to foreign policy.
    There’s a lot of truth to this.

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  161. you can’t go wrong underestimating the sadism of roughly half of the American electorate vis a vis domestic priorities and its blood lust when it comes to foreign policy.
    There’s a lot of truth to this.

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  162. you can’t go wrong underestimating the sadism of roughly half of the American electorate vis a vis domestic priorities and its blood lust when it comes to foreign policy.
    There’s a lot of truth to this.

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  163. Trump’s hairpiece, Putin’s bare right nipple, and Kristol’s malign smile have taken control of my cursor and mouse.

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  164. Trump’s hairpiece, Putin’s bare right nipple, and Kristol’s malign smile have taken control of my cursor and mouse.

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  165. Trump’s hairpiece, Putin’s bare right nipple, and Kristol’s malign smile have taken control of my cursor and mouse.

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  166. Dick Cheney in popular culture:
    Has your child completed his or her suspicious activity booklet?
    Don’t let this summer go to waste.
    The enemy is preparing their children, are you?
    Time to show them who’s boss.
    Moloch demands fresh blood to maintain the appetite of his mechanical heart.
    Will you sacrifice your first born like Abraham would his Isaac?
    Will you sacrifice your first born like Abraham would his Isaac?
    Tell me why Dick Cheney underneath my bed?
    Hell no, that ain’t cool!
    Tendin’ to the lips of a shrunken head.
    No sir, that ain’t cool.
    Come on now take one for the team.
    Stick it to the man, stick it to the man.
    Raise the dagger high above Isaac,
    drive it down as hard as you can.

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  167. Dick Cheney in popular culture:
    Has your child completed his or her suspicious activity booklet?
    Don’t let this summer go to waste.
    The enemy is preparing their children, are you?
    Time to show them who’s boss.
    Moloch demands fresh blood to maintain the appetite of his mechanical heart.
    Will you sacrifice your first born like Abraham would his Isaac?
    Will you sacrifice your first born like Abraham would his Isaac?
    Tell me why Dick Cheney underneath my bed?
    Hell no, that ain’t cool!
    Tendin’ to the lips of a shrunken head.
    No sir, that ain’t cool.
    Come on now take one for the team.
    Stick it to the man, stick it to the man.
    Raise the dagger high above Isaac,
    drive it down as hard as you can.

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  168. Dick Cheney in popular culture:
    Has your child completed his or her suspicious activity booklet?
    Don’t let this summer go to waste.
    The enemy is preparing their children, are you?
    Time to show them who’s boss.
    Moloch demands fresh blood to maintain the appetite of his mechanical heart.
    Will you sacrifice your first born like Abraham would his Isaac?
    Will you sacrifice your first born like Abraham would his Isaac?
    Tell me why Dick Cheney underneath my bed?
    Hell no, that ain’t cool!
    Tendin’ to the lips of a shrunken head.
    No sir, that ain’t cool.
    Come on now take one for the team.
    Stick it to the man, stick it to the man.
    Raise the dagger high above Isaac,
    drive it down as hard as you can.

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  169. Yeats clearly sat through one too many Republican debates…
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity…
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last…

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  170. Yeats clearly sat through one too many Republican debates…
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity…
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last…

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  171. Yeats clearly sat through one too many Republican debates…
    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity…
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last…

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  172. Goebbels yer Google:
    Trump is trending among the someone-oughta-shoot-those-people Republicans.
    Between the NRA, the armed, fascist authoritarian militias, neo-Confederates, Redstate and the blogging right-wing media, and your random brown-shirted brown people stompers, the right wing elites in this country are amassing a lethal paramilitary force for when they decide to start the killing.
    It doesn’t take a chicken farmer to see the organizational possibilities of this.

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  173. Goebbels yer Google:
    Trump is trending among the someone-oughta-shoot-those-people Republicans.
    Between the NRA, the armed, fascist authoritarian militias, neo-Confederates, Redstate and the blogging right-wing media, and your random brown-shirted brown people stompers, the right wing elites in this country are amassing a lethal paramilitary force for when they decide to start the killing.
    It doesn’t take a chicken farmer to see the organizational possibilities of this.

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  174. Goebbels yer Google:
    Trump is trending among the someone-oughta-shoot-those-people Republicans.
    Between the NRA, the armed, fascist authoritarian militias, neo-Confederates, Redstate and the blogging right-wing media, and your random brown-shirted brown people stompers, the right wing elites in this country are amassing a lethal paramilitary force for when they decide to start the killing.
    It doesn’t take a chicken farmer to see the organizational possibilities of this.

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  175. One thing I will say, in a charitable and half-hearted defense of Jeb, is that one could interpret his statements not as having anything to do with babies born in this country, rather about keeping pregnant foreigners, who would otherwise only be coming here to give birth to American citizens, out so they don’t give birth here in the first place.
    I’m not saying that’s something I’d endorse, but it is different from trying to enforce policy after the fact of a birth on American soil. That would be broken water over the dam, so to speak, if I’m reading him correctly.
    So this (from the link):

    Hmmm. How’s that going to work, Jeb? It’s not like these children enter the world marked “anchor babies” (a loaded and derogatory term, of course). Are we going to have enhanced interrogation of undocumented women bearing children as to their intent when they crossed that border? Are we making a constitutional right contingent on somebody’s opinion of a parent’s alleged “abuse?”

    would not be relevant.

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  176. One thing I will say, in a charitable and half-hearted defense of Jeb, is that one could interpret his statements not as having anything to do with babies born in this country, rather about keeping pregnant foreigners, who would otherwise only be coming here to give birth to American citizens, out so they don’t give birth here in the first place.
    I’m not saying that’s something I’d endorse, but it is different from trying to enforce policy after the fact of a birth on American soil. That would be broken water over the dam, so to speak, if I’m reading him correctly.
    So this (from the link):

    Hmmm. How’s that going to work, Jeb? It’s not like these children enter the world marked “anchor babies” (a loaded and derogatory term, of course). Are we going to have enhanced interrogation of undocumented women bearing children as to their intent when they crossed that border? Are we making a constitutional right contingent on somebody’s opinion of a parent’s alleged “abuse?”

    would not be relevant.

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  177. One thing I will say, in a charitable and half-hearted defense of Jeb, is that one could interpret his statements not as having anything to do with babies born in this country, rather about keeping pregnant foreigners, who would otherwise only be coming here to give birth to American citizens, out so they don’t give birth here in the first place.
    I’m not saying that’s something I’d endorse, but it is different from trying to enforce policy after the fact of a birth on American soil. That would be broken water over the dam, so to speak, if I’m reading him correctly.
    So this (from the link):

    Hmmm. How’s that going to work, Jeb? It’s not like these children enter the world marked “anchor babies” (a loaded and derogatory term, of course). Are we going to have enhanced interrogation of undocumented women bearing children as to their intent when they crossed that border? Are we making a constitutional right contingent on somebody’s opinion of a parent’s alleged “abuse?”

    would not be relevant.

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  178. Is it just me, or does that eagle look like all of its predatory instincts are about to be triggered by that moving hairpiece pelt it has its sights (unfortunately, not its talons) on:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/time-bald-eagle-video
    See, if Hitler himself was still alive entered the Republican primary debates, our contemptible fascist-loving reality TV media would be falling all over themselves kissing up to the guy.
    He’d be feted on the weekend new shows for the ratings bump. The conservative editorial pages would express satisfaction at the hard consequences of his policies (let’s flesh that out with some actual human flesh, they’d plead of him). The View hosts, while expressing distaste, would nevertheless have Eva Braun on to coo over her wardrobe and her revealing of Adolf’s sensitive dog-loving side. Jimmy Fallon and Jay Leno would have him on for some preliminary chitchat over his tax cutting proposals and them ask him to do the funny walk for the studio audiences and viewers at home, who would give Adolf an immediate bump in the polls as the base revels over the politically incorrect tell-it-like-is- cut of his jackboot.
    Iowa State Fair goers would crowd up against the pork-on-a-stick booth where Adolf would hold forth amiably while gnawing on a corndog. He’d joke with the crowd, winking as he goes, that he’s looking forward to visiting after he’s elected President to sample the wetback on a stick, the Muslim on as stick, the Trayvon Martin on a stick, the vagina on a stick, the transvestite on a stick, and would hold out hope that finally conservatives would fall back on one of their old standards, the Jew on a stick.
    When asked about his healthcare plans for the country, he’d point out, while slicking his ‘stache, that except for lice control and some involuntary dentistry, hes aw no need for any support whatsoever for those in need.
    At this, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Malkin would swoon with the fascist vapors and begin humping their rottweilers.
    His poll numbers would surge. Prospective primary voters would be interviewed afterwards and say “Well, sure, gassing these people might be a bit much, but it’s high time we got someone in there to do something. There’s been too gol’darned much political correctness in this country for far too long.”
    When asked if that might be a little TOO much regulation by the government on certain segments of society, the blockheads would get real serious and say, “That’s not regulation, that’s authority and order, like we used to have in America, God bless us, and I don’t mean THEM!”
    The 18 other candidates, including Carly Fiorina, would begin cultivating identical Hitler moustaches to curry similar favor with the 27% murderous armed rabble.
    They’d stand, all 19 of them abreast at the next debate, like a phalanx of extras for the audition of a joint Mel Brooks/John Cleese musical production called “The Full of Sh*t Win the Day” and do in-tandem leg kicks for the enthralled millions to the sound of automatic weaponry.
    Roger Ailes, now trying to keep his fat behind in the center of the sh*tstorm, would offer Adolf 24-hour coverage and name Goebbels the FOX NEWs Director.
    And we’ll say, “Gee, I didn’t see THAT coming! I wonder how they kept that plot secret for so long?”

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  179. Is it just me, or does that eagle look like all of its predatory instincts are about to be triggered by that moving hairpiece pelt it has its sights (unfortunately, not its talons) on:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/time-bald-eagle-video
    See, if Hitler himself was still alive entered the Republican primary debates, our contemptible fascist-loving reality TV media would be falling all over themselves kissing up to the guy.
    He’d be feted on the weekend new shows for the ratings bump. The conservative editorial pages would express satisfaction at the hard consequences of his policies (let’s flesh that out with some actual human flesh, they’d plead of him). The View hosts, while expressing distaste, would nevertheless have Eva Braun on to coo over her wardrobe and her revealing of Adolf’s sensitive dog-loving side. Jimmy Fallon and Jay Leno would have him on for some preliminary chitchat over his tax cutting proposals and them ask him to do the funny walk for the studio audiences and viewers at home, who would give Adolf an immediate bump in the polls as the base revels over the politically incorrect tell-it-like-is- cut of his jackboot.
    Iowa State Fair goers would crowd up against the pork-on-a-stick booth where Adolf would hold forth amiably while gnawing on a corndog. He’d joke with the crowd, winking as he goes, that he’s looking forward to visiting after he’s elected President to sample the wetback on a stick, the Muslim on as stick, the Trayvon Martin on a stick, the vagina on a stick, the transvestite on a stick, and would hold out hope that finally conservatives would fall back on one of their old standards, the Jew on a stick.
    When asked about his healthcare plans for the country, he’d point out, while slicking his ‘stache, that except for lice control and some involuntary dentistry, hes aw no need for any support whatsoever for those in need.
    At this, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Malkin would swoon with the fascist vapors and begin humping their rottweilers.
    His poll numbers would surge. Prospective primary voters would be interviewed afterwards and say “Well, sure, gassing these people might be a bit much, but it’s high time we got someone in there to do something. There’s been too gol’darned much political correctness in this country for far too long.”
    When asked if that might be a little TOO much regulation by the government on certain segments of society, the blockheads would get real serious and say, “That’s not regulation, that’s authority and order, like we used to have in America, God bless us, and I don’t mean THEM!”
    The 18 other candidates, including Carly Fiorina, would begin cultivating identical Hitler moustaches to curry similar favor with the 27% murderous armed rabble.
    They’d stand, all 19 of them abreast at the next debate, like a phalanx of extras for the audition of a joint Mel Brooks/John Cleese musical production called “The Full of Sh*t Win the Day” and do in-tandem leg kicks for the enthralled millions to the sound of automatic weaponry.
    Roger Ailes, now trying to keep his fat behind in the center of the sh*tstorm, would offer Adolf 24-hour coverage and name Goebbels the FOX NEWs Director.
    And we’ll say, “Gee, I didn’t see THAT coming! I wonder how they kept that plot secret for so long?”

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  180. Is it just me, or does that eagle look like all of its predatory instincts are about to be triggered by that moving hairpiece pelt it has its sights (unfortunately, not its talons) on:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/time-bald-eagle-video
    See, if Hitler himself was still alive entered the Republican primary debates, our contemptible fascist-loving reality TV media would be falling all over themselves kissing up to the guy.
    He’d be feted on the weekend new shows for the ratings bump. The conservative editorial pages would express satisfaction at the hard consequences of his policies (let’s flesh that out with some actual human flesh, they’d plead of him). The View hosts, while expressing distaste, would nevertheless have Eva Braun on to coo over her wardrobe and her revealing of Adolf’s sensitive dog-loving side. Jimmy Fallon and Jay Leno would have him on for some preliminary chitchat over his tax cutting proposals and them ask him to do the funny walk for the studio audiences and viewers at home, who would give Adolf an immediate bump in the polls as the base revels over the politically incorrect tell-it-like-is- cut of his jackboot.
    Iowa State Fair goers would crowd up against the pork-on-a-stick booth where Adolf would hold forth amiably while gnawing on a corndog. He’d joke with the crowd, winking as he goes, that he’s looking forward to visiting after he’s elected President to sample the wetback on a stick, the Muslim on as stick, the Trayvon Martin on a stick, the vagina on a stick, the transvestite on a stick, and would hold out hope that finally conservatives would fall back on one of their old standards, the Jew on a stick.
    When asked about his healthcare plans for the country, he’d point out, while slicking his ‘stache, that except for lice control and some involuntary dentistry, hes aw no need for any support whatsoever for those in need.
    At this, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Malkin would swoon with the fascist vapors and begin humping their rottweilers.
    His poll numbers would surge. Prospective primary voters would be interviewed afterwards and say “Well, sure, gassing these people might be a bit much, but it’s high time we got someone in there to do something. There’s been too gol’darned much political correctness in this country for far too long.”
    When asked if that might be a little TOO much regulation by the government on certain segments of society, the blockheads would get real serious and say, “That’s not regulation, that’s authority and order, like we used to have in America, God bless us, and I don’t mean THEM!”
    The 18 other candidates, including Carly Fiorina, would begin cultivating identical Hitler moustaches to curry similar favor with the 27% murderous armed rabble.
    They’d stand, all 19 of them abreast at the next debate, like a phalanx of extras for the audition of a joint Mel Brooks/John Cleese musical production called “The Full of Sh*t Win the Day” and do in-tandem leg kicks for the enthralled millions to the sound of automatic weaponry.
    Roger Ailes, now trying to keep his fat behind in the center of the sh*tstorm, would offer Adolf 24-hour coverage and name Goebbels the FOX NEWs Director.
    And we’ll say, “Gee, I didn’t see THAT coming! I wonder how they kept that plot secret for so long?”

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  181. Godwin’s rolling over in his grave, maybe happily, and he’s not even dead. (Mind you, that isn’t intended as criticism.)

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  182. Godwin’s rolling over in his grave, maybe happily, and he’s not even dead. (Mind you, that isn’t intended as criticism.)

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  183. Godwin’s rolling over in his grave, maybe happily, and he’s not even dead. (Mind you, that isn’t intended as criticism.)

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  184. The second time is farce.
    All civilizations eventually wink out with a theme song.
    Ours is a laugh track and automatic gunfire.

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  185. The second time is farce.
    All civilizations eventually wink out with a theme song.
    Ours is a laugh track and automatic gunfire.

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  186. The second time is farce.
    All civilizations eventually wink out with a theme song.
    Ours is a laugh track and automatic gunfire.

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  187. But Hitler would face one big problem: being a vegetarian is an unforgivable sin in the circles he would try to impress in the US. And it was not just his personal taste but he strongly believed that the army should switch to a veggie diet (in his opinion a major factor in the successes of the Roman army of old).

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  188. But Hitler would face one big problem: being a vegetarian is an unforgivable sin in the circles he would try to impress in the US. And it was not just his personal taste but he strongly believed that the army should switch to a veggie diet (in his opinion a major factor in the successes of the Roman army of old).

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  189. But Hitler would face one big problem: being a vegetarian is an unforgivable sin in the circles he would try to impress in the US. And it was not just his personal taste but he strongly believed that the army should switch to a veggie diet (in his opinion a major factor in the successes of the Roman army of old).

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  190. Well, he might have cross-over appeal.
    On the one hand, Bill Clinton would chuckle in interviews: “You know, Adolf and I had lunch the other day and, say what you will about his intentions for this country, which Hillary and I have substantive objections to on their merits, his cholesterol levels are stunningly low. So, I would say, he has something to impart to the country and he makes for a competitive candidate as a Republican, to be sure. They should welcome his voice, and I’m pretty sure they do if the polls are any indication of his appeal.”
    On the other hand, Ted Nugent, who has been known to track down the wild rutabaga with a crossbow, harvest his tomatoes with an AR-15, and fish with German hand grenades, might hit if off with the man too.
    I could see Mike Huckabee warming to the fellow too, not only because the latter is said to play a mean blues harmonica, but also because they could compare notes on using paramilitary forces to patrol women’s vaginas.
    Hitler tried that — the Schutzstaffel spent much of their time lingering down there — but setbacks on both battle fronts demanded that manpower be shifted to the front lines to kill teenaged uniformed fetuses.
    Huckabee wants the National Guard patrolling women’s wombs to prevent fetuses from leaving too soon, but he also wants the National Guard to patrol the border with Mexico to keep fetuses from leaving at all.
    How he intends to also fight ISIS as well, is beyond me, but I have a feeling the fetuses he’s protecting on this side of the border will be sent directly from the womb to certain death in perpetual war.

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  191. Well, he might have cross-over appeal.
    On the one hand, Bill Clinton would chuckle in interviews: “You know, Adolf and I had lunch the other day and, say what you will about his intentions for this country, which Hillary and I have substantive objections to on their merits, his cholesterol levels are stunningly low. So, I would say, he has something to impart to the country and he makes for a competitive candidate as a Republican, to be sure. They should welcome his voice, and I’m pretty sure they do if the polls are any indication of his appeal.”
    On the other hand, Ted Nugent, who has been known to track down the wild rutabaga with a crossbow, harvest his tomatoes with an AR-15, and fish with German hand grenades, might hit if off with the man too.
    I could see Mike Huckabee warming to the fellow too, not only because the latter is said to play a mean blues harmonica, but also because they could compare notes on using paramilitary forces to patrol women’s vaginas.
    Hitler tried that — the Schutzstaffel spent much of their time lingering down there — but setbacks on both battle fronts demanded that manpower be shifted to the front lines to kill teenaged uniformed fetuses.
    Huckabee wants the National Guard patrolling women’s wombs to prevent fetuses from leaving too soon, but he also wants the National Guard to patrol the border with Mexico to keep fetuses from leaving at all.
    How he intends to also fight ISIS as well, is beyond me, but I have a feeling the fetuses he’s protecting on this side of the border will be sent directly from the womb to certain death in perpetual war.

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  192. Well, he might have cross-over appeal.
    On the one hand, Bill Clinton would chuckle in interviews: “You know, Adolf and I had lunch the other day and, say what you will about his intentions for this country, which Hillary and I have substantive objections to on their merits, his cholesterol levels are stunningly low. So, I would say, he has something to impart to the country and he makes for a competitive candidate as a Republican, to be sure. They should welcome his voice, and I’m pretty sure they do if the polls are any indication of his appeal.”
    On the other hand, Ted Nugent, who has been known to track down the wild rutabaga with a crossbow, harvest his tomatoes with an AR-15, and fish with German hand grenades, might hit if off with the man too.
    I could see Mike Huckabee warming to the fellow too, not only because the latter is said to play a mean blues harmonica, but also because they could compare notes on using paramilitary forces to patrol women’s vaginas.
    Hitler tried that — the Schutzstaffel spent much of their time lingering down there — but setbacks on both battle fronts demanded that manpower be shifted to the front lines to kill teenaged uniformed fetuses.
    Huckabee wants the National Guard patrolling women’s wombs to prevent fetuses from leaving too soon, but he also wants the National Guard to patrol the border with Mexico to keep fetuses from leaving at all.
    How he intends to also fight ISIS as well, is beyond me, but I have a feeling the fetuses he’s protecting on this side of the border will be sent directly from the womb to certain death in perpetual war.

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  193. Sonograms at the border?
    I’m guessing he’d simply suggest doing a better job of keeping people out regardless of their uterine status, but that doing so would naturally catch pregnant women as much as anyone else. That or finding out if there were specific immigration channels most commonly used by pregnant women and disrupting them somehow.
    I don’t want to get too deep into this particular bullsh1t, because my thinking is that there are about 3.47 x 10**7 more important things people in this country should be worrying about than so-called “anchor babies,” but you go on blogs to discuss the campaigns you have, not the campaigns you’d like to have.

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  194. Sonograms at the border?
    I’m guessing he’d simply suggest doing a better job of keeping people out regardless of their uterine status, but that doing so would naturally catch pregnant women as much as anyone else. That or finding out if there were specific immigration channels most commonly used by pregnant women and disrupting them somehow.
    I don’t want to get too deep into this particular bullsh1t, because my thinking is that there are about 3.47 x 10**7 more important things people in this country should be worrying about than so-called “anchor babies,” but you go on blogs to discuss the campaigns you have, not the campaigns you’d like to have.

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  195. Sonograms at the border?
    I’m guessing he’d simply suggest doing a better job of keeping people out regardless of their uterine status, but that doing so would naturally catch pregnant women as much as anyone else. That or finding out if there were specific immigration channels most commonly used by pregnant women and disrupting them somehow.
    I don’t want to get too deep into this particular bullsh1t, because my thinking is that there are about 3.47 x 10**7 more important things people in this country should be worrying about than so-called “anchor babies,” but you go on blogs to discuss the campaigns you have, not the campaigns you’d like to have.

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  196. Ben Carson is sure to suggest tomorrow that he would be open to mounting remote infrared ultrasound equipment on drones hovering over our border with Mexico.
    Women with detected fetuses would be intercepted and sent back to Mexico for whatever malnourishment, drug cartel abuse, and coyote abuse await them, while women without detected fetuses would be vaporized from on high.
    You’ve heard of Doctors Without Borders?
    Carson is a Borderline Doctor with Killing Borders.

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  197. Ben Carson is sure to suggest tomorrow that he would be open to mounting remote infrared ultrasound equipment on drones hovering over our border with Mexico.
    Women with detected fetuses would be intercepted and sent back to Mexico for whatever malnourishment, drug cartel abuse, and coyote abuse await them, while women without detected fetuses would be vaporized from on high.
    You’ve heard of Doctors Without Borders?
    Carson is a Borderline Doctor with Killing Borders.

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  198. Ben Carson is sure to suggest tomorrow that he would be open to mounting remote infrared ultrasound equipment on drones hovering over our border with Mexico.
    Women with detected fetuses would be intercepted and sent back to Mexico for whatever malnourishment, drug cartel abuse, and coyote abuse await them, while women without detected fetuses would be vaporized from on high.
    You’ve heard of Doctors Without Borders?
    Carson is a Borderline Doctor with Killing Borders.

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  199. Hmm, again he says what most conservatives believe in their savage mechanical hearts — that our retired parents and grandparents, excepting themselves, natch, are lollygagging deadbeats:
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/sorry-donald-you-cant-count-retirees-unemployed
    My Alzheimer’s-ridden husk of a mother is apparently unemployed now.
    Apparently that thing Hannity does with his mouth every day is counted as employment.
    She needs to get out and look for a job, and that Medicare thingy has sapped all of her get-up-and-do-what-needs-to-be-doneness with its perverse commie disincentives.
    I’m going to take her around for job interviews next time I’m home.
    Arbeit macht frei.

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  200. Hmm, again he says what most conservatives believe in their savage mechanical hearts — that our retired parents and grandparents, excepting themselves, natch, are lollygagging deadbeats:
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/sorry-donald-you-cant-count-retirees-unemployed
    My Alzheimer’s-ridden husk of a mother is apparently unemployed now.
    Apparently that thing Hannity does with his mouth every day is counted as employment.
    She needs to get out and look for a job, and that Medicare thingy has sapped all of her get-up-and-do-what-needs-to-be-doneness with its perverse commie disincentives.
    I’m going to take her around for job interviews next time I’m home.
    Arbeit macht frei.

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  201. Hmm, again he says what most conservatives believe in their savage mechanical hearts — that our retired parents and grandparents, excepting themselves, natch, are lollygagging deadbeats:
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/sorry-donald-you-cant-count-retirees-unemployed
    My Alzheimer’s-ridden husk of a mother is apparently unemployed now.
    Apparently that thing Hannity does with his mouth every day is counted as employment.
    She needs to get out and look for a job, and that Medicare thingy has sapped all of her get-up-and-do-what-needs-to-be-doneness with its perverse commie disincentives.
    I’m going to take her around for job interviews next time I’m home.
    Arbeit macht frei.

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  202. I wonder if Trump is on Ashley Madison.
    Probably not. He has chauffeurs and other people for procurement.
    There is a rumor that his hairpiece had an Ashley Madison fling with Phyllis Diller’s wig years ago, but one or the other of them threw the other over for John Travolta’s toupee.

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  203. I wonder if Trump is on Ashley Madison.
    Probably not. He has chauffeurs and other people for procurement.
    There is a rumor that his hairpiece had an Ashley Madison fling with Phyllis Diller’s wig years ago, but one or the other of them threw the other over for John Travolta’s toupee.

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  204. I wonder if Trump is on Ashley Madison.
    Probably not. He has chauffeurs and other people for procurement.
    There is a rumor that his hairpiece had an Ashley Madison fling with Phyllis Diller’s wig years ago, but one or the other of them threw the other over for John Travolta’s toupee.

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  205. Open thread again, sorry.
    http://popehat.com/2015/08/20/ninth-circuit-harshly-scrutinizes-law-enforcement-leak-threatens-sanctions-against-department-of-justice/
    For those of you interested in pushback from the judiciary to the government, that is really a fascinating read. The linked video of the 9th circuit hearing is also worth watching.
    Long story short, the DOJ leaked info about a case to the press, resulting in a critical article about a judge on the 9th, while the case was ongoing. The US Atty then BROUGHT UP THE CRITICAL ARTICLE to the judge, DURING A HEARING ON THE CASE. The 9th, to put it mildly, was not amused.
    Really, really shocking behavior by the DOJ, and its nice the 9th pushing back.

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  206. Open thread again, sorry.
    http://popehat.com/2015/08/20/ninth-circuit-harshly-scrutinizes-law-enforcement-leak-threatens-sanctions-against-department-of-justice/
    For those of you interested in pushback from the judiciary to the government, that is really a fascinating read. The linked video of the 9th circuit hearing is also worth watching.
    Long story short, the DOJ leaked info about a case to the press, resulting in a critical article about a judge on the 9th, while the case was ongoing. The US Atty then BROUGHT UP THE CRITICAL ARTICLE to the judge, DURING A HEARING ON THE CASE. The 9th, to put it mildly, was not amused.
    Really, really shocking behavior by the DOJ, and its nice the 9th pushing back.

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  207. Open thread again, sorry.
    http://popehat.com/2015/08/20/ninth-circuit-harshly-scrutinizes-law-enforcement-leak-threatens-sanctions-against-department-of-justice/
    For those of you interested in pushback from the judiciary to the government, that is really a fascinating read. The linked video of the 9th circuit hearing is also worth watching.
    Long story short, the DOJ leaked info about a case to the press, resulting in a critical article about a judge on the 9th, while the case was ongoing. The US Atty then BROUGHT UP THE CRITICAL ARTICLE to the judge, DURING A HEARING ON THE CASE. The 9th, to put it mildly, was not amused.
    Really, really shocking behavior by the DOJ, and its nice the 9th pushing back.

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  208. The last time I was in a group where a conspiracy theory was mooted, I kept quiet for about two minutes then said, out of nowhere, “She knows too much” as if to myself. It got a laugh, at least.

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  209. The last time I was in a group where a conspiracy theory was mooted, I kept quiet for about two minutes then said, out of nowhere, “She knows too much” as if to myself. It got a laugh, at least.

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  210. The last time I was in a group where a conspiracy theory was mooted, I kept quiet for about two minutes then said, out of nowhere, “She knows too much” as if to myself. It got a laugh, at least.

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  211. Jay, it helps if you can do creepy/shifty eye motions also, too. Once you’ve been inducted into a sufficient number of conspiracies, it starts happening naturally.

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  212. Jay, it helps if you can do creepy/shifty eye motions also, too. Once you’ve been inducted into a sufficient number of conspiracies, it starts happening naturally.

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  213. Jay, it helps if you can do creepy/shifty eye motions also, too. Once you’ve been inducted into a sufficient number of conspiracies, it starts happening naturally.

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  214. Ummm, the judiciary is the government.
    It’s a fairly typical way of referring to US attys in front of federal courts. For example, the judge in the video refers to the US atty as “the government” during the hearing.

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  215. Ummm, the judiciary is the government.
    It’s a fairly typical way of referring to US attys in front of federal courts. For example, the judge in the video refers to the US atty as “the government” during the hearing.

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  216. Ummm, the judiciary is the government.
    It’s a fairly typical way of referring to US attys in front of federal courts. For example, the judge in the video refers to the US atty as “the government” during the hearing.

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  217. It’s true that the judiciary is part of the government. But that just means it should have read “the judiciary pushes back against the executive branch.”
    Which would have horrified those why get worked up about “activist judges”. And that’s before they noticed that it was the 9th circuit doing the push-back.

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  218. It’s true that the judiciary is part of the government. But that just means it should have read “the judiciary pushes back against the executive branch.”
    Which would have horrified those why get worked up about “activist judges”. And that’s before they noticed that it was the 9th circuit doing the push-back.

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  219. It’s true that the judiciary is part of the government. But that just means it should have read “the judiciary pushes back against the executive branch.”
    Which would have horrified those why get worked up about “activist judges”. And that’s before they noticed that it was the 9th circuit doing the push-back.

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  220. The puke funnel (of which America needs a bigger one and then vent it into space) into which the 18 Manchurian candidates are vomiting their acid-bath bile on a daily basis will soon emit the concentrated sulfuric notion that police officer perjury against the citizenry, particular against the swarthy ones and the liberal lighter-complected ones, and the poor ones, is protected speech under the First Amendment and may not be curbed or prosecuted.
    Perjury by Republican paramilitary militia forces will be included in the protection, because they will need it to help along what is coming.
    Some enterprising conservative legal vermin will bring a case to the Supreme Court attempting to prove precisely that, just in time for Republican fascist government to place it front and center in their armory of law enforcement tools they plan to use to transform the country into something resembling a joint bowel movement squeezed off by Donald Trump, Ayn Rand, and the Governor of Texas.

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  221. The puke funnel (of which America needs a bigger one and then vent it into space) into which the 18 Manchurian candidates are vomiting their acid-bath bile on a daily basis will soon emit the concentrated sulfuric notion that police officer perjury against the citizenry, particular against the swarthy ones and the liberal lighter-complected ones, and the poor ones, is protected speech under the First Amendment and may not be curbed or prosecuted.
    Perjury by Republican paramilitary militia forces will be included in the protection, because they will need it to help along what is coming.
    Some enterprising conservative legal vermin will bring a case to the Supreme Court attempting to prove precisely that, just in time for Republican fascist government to place it front and center in their armory of law enforcement tools they plan to use to transform the country into something resembling a joint bowel movement squeezed off by Donald Trump, Ayn Rand, and the Governor of Texas.

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  222. The puke funnel (of which America needs a bigger one and then vent it into space) into which the 18 Manchurian candidates are vomiting their acid-bath bile on a daily basis will soon emit the concentrated sulfuric notion that police officer perjury against the citizenry, particular against the swarthy ones and the liberal lighter-complected ones, and the poor ones, is protected speech under the First Amendment and may not be curbed or prosecuted.
    Perjury by Republican paramilitary militia forces will be included in the protection, because they will need it to help along what is coming.
    Some enterprising conservative legal vermin will bring a case to the Supreme Court attempting to prove precisely that, just in time for Republican fascist government to place it front and center in their armory of law enforcement tools they plan to use to transform the country into something resembling a joint bowel movement squeezed off by Donald Trump, Ayn Rand, and the Governor of Texas.

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  223. To the original thread topic, I’ve been masochistically reading commentary on social media responding to the first female Soldiers graduating US Army Ranger school today. It’s a very good and very public example of widely-accepted conspiracy theories (as well as being depressing, natch). The lengths that detractors will go to IOT explain how “those girls” got a Ranger tab as a “participation award” is dramatic. The school itself has been holding out for months that the standard has not been changed, but the naysayers of course only point to that as proof of the severity of corruption. The “bad thing” that’s happening is more indirect than just the immediate results (well, supposedly), as the fate we should be avoiding is the degrading feminization – excuse me, weakening – of the US Armed Forces in the name of political correctness and Obama’s Feminist Agenda, but that doesn’t stop every conceivable (and some inconceivable) piece of “proof” being thrown at the “bad news” to try desperately to preserve the status quo. There’s even a bit of the hyper-competent/hyper-incompetent cognitive dissonance in all the claims that the unwavering, incorruptible integrity of the fair, impartial, and demanding Ranger Instructors, cadre, and school must be preserved and defended from this nefarious plot… the same nefarious plot that’s being executed by the spineless, weaselly PC Ranger Instructors, cadre, and school who without protest rolled over and silently acceded as soon as the evil PC generals demanded that they compromise their principles…

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  224. To the original thread topic, I’ve been masochistically reading commentary on social media responding to the first female Soldiers graduating US Army Ranger school today. It’s a very good and very public example of widely-accepted conspiracy theories (as well as being depressing, natch). The lengths that detractors will go to IOT explain how “those girls” got a Ranger tab as a “participation award” is dramatic. The school itself has been holding out for months that the standard has not been changed, but the naysayers of course only point to that as proof of the severity of corruption. The “bad thing” that’s happening is more indirect than just the immediate results (well, supposedly), as the fate we should be avoiding is the degrading feminization – excuse me, weakening – of the US Armed Forces in the name of political correctness and Obama’s Feminist Agenda, but that doesn’t stop every conceivable (and some inconceivable) piece of “proof” being thrown at the “bad news” to try desperately to preserve the status quo. There’s even a bit of the hyper-competent/hyper-incompetent cognitive dissonance in all the claims that the unwavering, incorruptible integrity of the fair, impartial, and demanding Ranger Instructors, cadre, and school must be preserved and defended from this nefarious plot… the same nefarious plot that’s being executed by the spineless, weaselly PC Ranger Instructors, cadre, and school who without protest rolled over and silently acceded as soon as the evil PC generals demanded that they compromise their principles…

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  225. To the original thread topic, I’ve been masochistically reading commentary on social media responding to the first female Soldiers graduating US Army Ranger school today. It’s a very good and very public example of widely-accepted conspiracy theories (as well as being depressing, natch). The lengths that detractors will go to IOT explain how “those girls” got a Ranger tab as a “participation award” is dramatic. The school itself has been holding out for months that the standard has not been changed, but the naysayers of course only point to that as proof of the severity of corruption. The “bad thing” that’s happening is more indirect than just the immediate results (well, supposedly), as the fate we should be avoiding is the degrading feminization – excuse me, weakening – of the US Armed Forces in the name of political correctness and Obama’s Feminist Agenda, but that doesn’t stop every conceivable (and some inconceivable) piece of “proof” being thrown at the “bad news” to try desperately to preserve the status quo. There’s even a bit of the hyper-competent/hyper-incompetent cognitive dissonance in all the claims that the unwavering, incorruptible integrity of the fair, impartial, and demanding Ranger Instructors, cadre, and school must be preserved and defended from this nefarious plot… the same nefarious plot that’s being executed by the spineless, weaselly PC Ranger Instructors, cadre, and school who without protest rolled over and silently acceded as soon as the evil PC generals demanded that they compromise their principles…

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  226. Nombirilisme,
    in fact, the idea of two women getting the Ranger tab on their second try is quite plausible. The Ranger course is physically tough but it does not require anything superhuman. As far as public sources tell, it is well within the variation of the female physique. The dropout rate for women was much higher than for men but it does not mean there would need to be a different standard for women.
    I serve in a Finnish Army reserve unit that includes women. Those women are tough. They might not be as strong as the strongest men but some of them would win me in unarmed combat without problems. And after you pass a certain level of fitness, the mental fitness becomes much more important aspect than physique. War-fighting involves also other qualities than brute strength. Some of the most dedicated and capable NCOs in my unit are women.

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  227. Nombirilisme,
    in fact, the idea of two women getting the Ranger tab on their second try is quite plausible. The Ranger course is physically tough but it does not require anything superhuman. As far as public sources tell, it is well within the variation of the female physique. The dropout rate for women was much higher than for men but it does not mean there would need to be a different standard for women.
    I serve in a Finnish Army reserve unit that includes women. Those women are tough. They might not be as strong as the strongest men but some of them would win me in unarmed combat without problems. And after you pass a certain level of fitness, the mental fitness becomes much more important aspect than physique. War-fighting involves also other qualities than brute strength. Some of the most dedicated and capable NCOs in my unit are women.

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  228. Nombirilisme,
    in fact, the idea of two women getting the Ranger tab on their second try is quite plausible. The Ranger course is physically tough but it does not require anything superhuman. As far as public sources tell, it is well within the variation of the female physique. The dropout rate for women was much higher than for men but it does not mean there would need to be a different standard for women.
    I serve in a Finnish Army reserve unit that includes women. Those women are tough. They might not be as strong as the strongest men but some of them would win me in unarmed combat without problems. And after you pass a certain level of fitness, the mental fitness becomes much more important aspect than physique. War-fighting involves also other qualities than brute strength. Some of the most dedicated and capable NCOs in my unit are women.

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  229. NV, it is probably telling that, according to the instructors, this batch of would-be Rangers actually got one of the toughest runs in recent times. Not only did the standards not get dropped for “the girls,” they were actually higher.
    But that won’t convince any of those whose distain for experts seems to run across the board, regardless of the topic that they are exercised about.

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  230. NV, it is probably telling that, according to the instructors, this batch of would-be Rangers actually got one of the toughest runs in recent times. Not only did the standards not get dropped for “the girls,” they were actually higher.
    But that won’t convince any of those whose distain for experts seems to run across the board, regardless of the topic that they are exercised about.

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  231. NV, it is probably telling that, according to the instructors, this batch of would-be Rangers actually got one of the toughest runs in recent times. Not only did the standards not get dropped for “the girls,” they were actually higher.
    But that won’t convince any of those whose distain for experts seems to run across the board, regardless of the topic that they are exercised about.

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  232. Lurker:
    Oh, I entirely agree. That women cannot be physically strong enough for most modern military tasks, and that physical strength is ne plus ultra of a Soldier’s worth may be an irritatingly common article of faith within the male portions of the US Army, but also one I most commonly encountered from Soldiers who’d never served alongside women. Those for whom female Soldiers were not some strange, hostile alien species known primarily from myths and folklore tended to have a POV more in line with your experience and with substantially less… well, I’ll be blunt: less misogyny.

    wj:
    I think my favorite bit of nonsense is the ones who claim that “the girls” had it easier because they got in-placed recycled after their first try at the first phase, and then day-1 recycled after their second try… so instead of a hasty, frantic 60 days of stress, mindgames, hunger, and sleep deprivation, they instead got to enjoy a leisurely, relaxed 120 days of that crap. It’s not for nothing that when the two female graduates accepted a day-1 recycle to start the whole process again with no guarantee of a better outcome, there were eight of their male peers who demurred when offered the chance to do likewise…

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  233. Lurker:
    Oh, I entirely agree. That women cannot be physically strong enough for most modern military tasks, and that physical strength is ne plus ultra of a Soldier’s worth may be an irritatingly common article of faith within the male portions of the US Army, but also one I most commonly encountered from Soldiers who’d never served alongside women. Those for whom female Soldiers were not some strange, hostile alien species known primarily from myths and folklore tended to have a POV more in line with your experience and with substantially less… well, I’ll be blunt: less misogyny.

    wj:
    I think my favorite bit of nonsense is the ones who claim that “the girls” had it easier because they got in-placed recycled after their first try at the first phase, and then day-1 recycled after their second try… so instead of a hasty, frantic 60 days of stress, mindgames, hunger, and sleep deprivation, they instead got to enjoy a leisurely, relaxed 120 days of that crap. It’s not for nothing that when the two female graduates accepted a day-1 recycle to start the whole process again with no guarantee of a better outcome, there were eight of their male peers who demurred when offered the chance to do likewise…

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  234. Lurker:
    Oh, I entirely agree. That women cannot be physically strong enough for most modern military tasks, and that physical strength is ne plus ultra of a Soldier’s worth may be an irritatingly common article of faith within the male portions of the US Army, but also one I most commonly encountered from Soldiers who’d never served alongside women. Those for whom female Soldiers were not some strange, hostile alien species known primarily from myths and folklore tended to have a POV more in line with your experience and with substantially less… well, I’ll be blunt: less misogyny.

    wj:
    I think my favorite bit of nonsense is the ones who claim that “the girls” had it easier because they got in-placed recycled after their first try at the first phase, and then day-1 recycled after their second try… so instead of a hasty, frantic 60 days of stress, mindgames, hunger, and sleep deprivation, they instead got to enjoy a leisurely, relaxed 120 days of that crap. It’s not for nothing that when the two female graduates accepted a day-1 recycle to start the whole process again with no guarantee of a better outcome, there were eight of their male peers who demurred when offered the chance to do likewise…

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  235. Remember when this whining liar said bad things were going to happen to his company because of Obamacare:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/papa-johns-john-schnatter-obamacare-pizza-prices/story?id=16962891
    I was just checking out his company’s stock price. Not too shabby for doing business under a oppressive socialist regime. Check out the price rise from 2012 when he barfed his objections until today:
    http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=PZZA&insttype=Stock
    Return on shareholder equity and total capital has skyrocketed. The income tax rate has even dropped in this interim of cold Bolshevik Muslim Kenyan uppityness.
    I thought taxes has skyrocketed.
    The pizza is mediocre too, so it was against all odds, as it turns out.
    That’s nothing. Since Obama was elected, the share price is up twelve-fold, like every other American enterprise.
    We’re full of sh*t.

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  236. Remember when this whining liar said bad things were going to happen to his company because of Obamacare:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/papa-johns-john-schnatter-obamacare-pizza-prices/story?id=16962891
    I was just checking out his company’s stock price. Not too shabby for doing business under a oppressive socialist regime. Check out the price rise from 2012 when he barfed his objections until today:
    http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=PZZA&insttype=Stock
    Return on shareholder equity and total capital has skyrocketed. The income tax rate has even dropped in this interim of cold Bolshevik Muslim Kenyan uppityness.
    I thought taxes has skyrocketed.
    The pizza is mediocre too, so it was against all odds, as it turns out.
    That’s nothing. Since Obama was elected, the share price is up twelve-fold, like every other American enterprise.
    We’re full of sh*t.

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  237. Remember when this whining liar said bad things were going to happen to his company because of Obamacare:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/papa-johns-john-schnatter-obamacare-pizza-prices/story?id=16962891
    I was just checking out his company’s stock price. Not too shabby for doing business under a oppressive socialist regime. Check out the price rise from 2012 when he barfed his objections until today:
    http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=PZZA&insttype=Stock
    Return on shareholder equity and total capital has skyrocketed. The income tax rate has even dropped in this interim of cold Bolshevik Muslim Kenyan uppityness.
    I thought taxes has skyrocketed.
    The pizza is mediocre too, so it was against all odds, as it turns out.
    That’s nothing. Since Obama was elected, the share price is up twelve-fold, like every other American enterprise.
    We’re full of sh*t.

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  238. A funny happened in the new age of worldwide financial markets this morning.
    American traders rushed for high windows to jump but they couldn’t even get close because over a billion Chinese folks got there before them, blocking the way.
    If the traders had been able to jump, they’d only fall a few feet before being cushioned by the 1000 foot high pile of suicidal Chinese investors.
    It’s a reversal day (down @1000 points early, now down less than 500), but we have dicey seasonal market weather coming up, as happens usually every Fall.
    As they say, we shall see what we shall see.

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  239. A funny happened in the new age of worldwide financial markets this morning.
    American traders rushed for high windows to jump but they couldn’t even get close because over a billion Chinese folks got there before them, blocking the way.
    If the traders had been able to jump, they’d only fall a few feet before being cushioned by the 1000 foot high pile of suicidal Chinese investors.
    It’s a reversal day (down @1000 points early, now down less than 500), but we have dicey seasonal market weather coming up, as happens usually every Fall.
    As they say, we shall see what we shall see.

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  240. A funny happened in the new age of worldwide financial markets this morning.
    American traders rushed for high windows to jump but they couldn’t even get close because over a billion Chinese folks got there before them, blocking the way.
    If the traders had been able to jump, they’d only fall a few feet before being cushioned by the 1000 foot high pile of suicidal Chinese investors.
    It’s a reversal day (down @1000 points early, now down less than 500), but we have dicey seasonal market weather coming up, as happens usually every Fall.
    As they say, we shall see what we shall see.

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  241. Hardly surprising that the markets are crashing. Stocks were way overpriced compared to their returns. And the markets may go up gradually, but when they come back down, they always seem to do so abruptly.

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  242. Hardly surprising that the markets are crashing. Stocks were way overpriced compared to their returns. And the markets may go up gradually, but when they come back down, they always seem to do so abruptly.

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  243. Hardly surprising that the markets are crashing. Stocks were way overpriced compared to their returns. And the markets may go up gradually, but when they come back down, they always seem to do so abruptly.

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  244. Well, if it wasn’t a surprise, the markets wouldn’t be crashing. 😉
    Actually, the market hasn’t gone anywhere (except down since last week) in a year.
    But I agree, prices have outpaced even rosy profit fundamentals.
    Going to be interesting to see if equity asset prices join most commodity prices, which started a long deflationary decline more than a year ago.
    Add in the China engine as it’s growth slows considerably.
    I think it portends recession.
    What cracks me up lately are anti-statist Wall Street traders holding their breath hoping the Chinese government steps in even more than they have recently to stem their market declines, not that anything will work.
    The criticism of China’s massive interventions have been tepid from Wall Street and the free market crowd.
    No doubt Trump will shoot his mouth off soon.
    “Elect me, and I’ll destroy the Chinese market to zero. We’ll kill em. We’re huge!”
    It is now virtually a crime to short the Chinese market, and several weeks ago they stopped trading in hundreds of stocks so folks couldn’t sell.
    I don’t short the market or individual stocks. But I got out of everything but a couple of core holdings two months ago.
    Not that the dollar value of what I do is any great shakes.
    As small investors go, I’m a Lilliputian.

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  245. Well, if it wasn’t a surprise, the markets wouldn’t be crashing. 😉
    Actually, the market hasn’t gone anywhere (except down since last week) in a year.
    But I agree, prices have outpaced even rosy profit fundamentals.
    Going to be interesting to see if equity asset prices join most commodity prices, which started a long deflationary decline more than a year ago.
    Add in the China engine as it’s growth slows considerably.
    I think it portends recession.
    What cracks me up lately are anti-statist Wall Street traders holding their breath hoping the Chinese government steps in even more than they have recently to stem their market declines, not that anything will work.
    The criticism of China’s massive interventions have been tepid from Wall Street and the free market crowd.
    No doubt Trump will shoot his mouth off soon.
    “Elect me, and I’ll destroy the Chinese market to zero. We’ll kill em. We’re huge!”
    It is now virtually a crime to short the Chinese market, and several weeks ago they stopped trading in hundreds of stocks so folks couldn’t sell.
    I don’t short the market or individual stocks. But I got out of everything but a couple of core holdings two months ago.
    Not that the dollar value of what I do is any great shakes.
    As small investors go, I’m a Lilliputian.

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  246. Well, if it wasn’t a surprise, the markets wouldn’t be crashing. 😉
    Actually, the market hasn’t gone anywhere (except down since last week) in a year.
    But I agree, prices have outpaced even rosy profit fundamentals.
    Going to be interesting to see if equity asset prices join most commodity prices, which started a long deflationary decline more than a year ago.
    Add in the China engine as it’s growth slows considerably.
    I think it portends recession.
    What cracks me up lately are anti-statist Wall Street traders holding their breath hoping the Chinese government steps in even more than they have recently to stem their market declines, not that anything will work.
    The criticism of China’s massive interventions have been tepid from Wall Street and the free market crowd.
    No doubt Trump will shoot his mouth off soon.
    “Elect me, and I’ll destroy the Chinese market to zero. We’ll kill em. We’re huge!”
    It is now virtually a crime to short the Chinese market, and several weeks ago they stopped trading in hundreds of stocks so folks couldn’t sell.
    I don’t short the market or individual stocks. But I got out of everything but a couple of core holdings two months ago.
    Not that the dollar value of what I do is any great shakes.
    As small investors go, I’m a Lilliputian.

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  247. According to John Boehner, keeping government files on Ray Bradbury and company in 1959 occurred during the golden age of America.
    The high marginal rate was 91%. Now we know what it was spent on.
    I’m going to cry. The nostalgia is killing me.
    Boehner can find some solace that Black Lives Matter people are being tailed and harassed by the FBI in 2015, the latter a nest of uptight conservatives if ever there was one, with the exception of the times J. Edgar showed up in pumps and a house dress and claimed he was Vivian Vance.
    In fact, I think he ordered a file opened on Vivian Vance while he was dressed as Vivian Vance, which seems to be a conflict of interest.
    Awww, Fred!
    Makes you wonder if he ordered the assassination of Martin Luther King while he was dressed as Lena Horne.
    I don’t understand why Boehner doesn’t congratulate Obama for surveilling Black Lives Matter and I don’t understand why he doesn’t call for impeaching Obama for permitting the FBI its surveillance of BlackLM.
    Seems like a terribly neutral position for an anti-gummint radical.

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  248. According to John Boehner, keeping government files on Ray Bradbury and company in 1959 occurred during the golden age of America.
    The high marginal rate was 91%. Now we know what it was spent on.
    I’m going to cry. The nostalgia is killing me.
    Boehner can find some solace that Black Lives Matter people are being tailed and harassed by the FBI in 2015, the latter a nest of uptight conservatives if ever there was one, with the exception of the times J. Edgar showed up in pumps and a house dress and claimed he was Vivian Vance.
    In fact, I think he ordered a file opened on Vivian Vance while he was dressed as Vivian Vance, which seems to be a conflict of interest.
    Awww, Fred!
    Makes you wonder if he ordered the assassination of Martin Luther King while he was dressed as Lena Horne.
    I don’t understand why Boehner doesn’t congratulate Obama for surveilling Black Lives Matter and I don’t understand why he doesn’t call for impeaching Obama for permitting the FBI its surveillance of BlackLM.
    Seems like a terribly neutral position for an anti-gummint radical.

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  249. According to John Boehner, keeping government files on Ray Bradbury and company in 1959 occurred during the golden age of America.
    The high marginal rate was 91%. Now we know what it was spent on.
    I’m going to cry. The nostalgia is killing me.
    Boehner can find some solace that Black Lives Matter people are being tailed and harassed by the FBI in 2015, the latter a nest of uptight conservatives if ever there was one, with the exception of the times J. Edgar showed up in pumps and a house dress and claimed he was Vivian Vance.
    In fact, I think he ordered a file opened on Vivian Vance while he was dressed as Vivian Vance, which seems to be a conflict of interest.
    Awww, Fred!
    Makes you wonder if he ordered the assassination of Martin Luther King while he was dressed as Lena Horne.
    I don’t understand why Boehner doesn’t congratulate Obama for surveilling Black Lives Matter and I don’t understand why he doesn’t call for impeaching Obama for permitting the FBI its surveillance of BlackLM.
    Seems like a terribly neutral position for an anti-gummint radical.

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  250. Count,
    once you comprehend that the staff of The Onion is actually The Secret Masters Of The Universe, and have a special hotline to Loki, it’ll all make sense.
    As much as it can, that is.

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  251. Count,
    once you comprehend that the staff of The Onion is actually The Secret Masters Of The Universe, and have a special hotline to Loki, it’ll all make sense.
    As much as it can, that is.

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  252. Count,
    once you comprehend that the staff of The Onion is actually The Secret Masters Of The Universe, and have a special hotline to Loki, it’ll all make sense.
    As much as it can, that is.

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  253. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/murdoch-begins–draft-bloomberg–movement-as-market-uncertainty-rises-153332970.html
    Meh.
    First off, the government is not a business.
    If it was, Medicare would be permitted to negotiate drug prices, but as it, the business lobby paid off the Republican Party and some Democrats so the government was prevented from acting like a business.
    It’s not a family either. It doesn’t sit around the kitchen table. Families do, less than before, but who is counting. And Dad doesn’t assign chores to the kids like, I don’t know, bombing the sh*t out of the neighbors and torturing the milkman.
    Businesses aren’t families either. Where is the unconditional love in any business, I ask you. When a guy says to you, listen, we’re both business men over here, I don’t think he’s about to promote my mother. He’s out to f*ck someone with my help.
    Off the top of my head, the only families that are businesses are the Mafia and the Murdochs. Not to mention the Bloombergs.
    The Kochs are the DeNiro and Pesci and the Sopranos of families who want to tell you they ARE the Government so they can run it like their “legit” business — to serve a as a front for their own accounts.
    The only upside about Trump is that he’s not a made man.
    He’s a loose cannon.
    He’s obviously making the Families very nervous.
    They have guys digging holes in the desert as we speak to disappear him. They’ll tell each other, it hadda be done.
    Frankly, when I see multi-billionaire plutocrats wanna be oligarchs openly discussing which one of them, and only them, needs to run the government, I’m thinking we’re a good decade or two too late on the violent overthrow of this entire edifice.
    Meanwhile, the Bushes and the Clintons can kiss my ass too.
    I mean, I’ll vote for Hillary if I have too, seeing as how she’s not overtly promising to murder millions of Americans via poison policy.
    Meanwhile, punks try to act like the big dogs by buying their way in with family money:
    http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_28685973/rand-paul-can-seek-both-presidency-and-senate
    The $500,000 for the caucuses will be put up by the Paul family. Exception for him, bought and paid for by him.
    Only a Bellmore could like that.
    We are shamelessly full of sh*t.
    End it. Let Franklin know we couldn’t keep it this corrupt pile of sh*t we’ve made of it.
    I don’t give a sh*t what replaces it.
    Chaos would be refreshing .. for a while.

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  254. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/murdoch-begins–draft-bloomberg–movement-as-market-uncertainty-rises-153332970.html
    Meh.
    First off, the government is not a business.
    If it was, Medicare would be permitted to negotiate drug prices, but as it, the business lobby paid off the Republican Party and some Democrats so the government was prevented from acting like a business.
    It’s not a family either. It doesn’t sit around the kitchen table. Families do, less than before, but who is counting. And Dad doesn’t assign chores to the kids like, I don’t know, bombing the sh*t out of the neighbors and torturing the milkman.
    Businesses aren’t families either. Where is the unconditional love in any business, I ask you. When a guy says to you, listen, we’re both business men over here, I don’t think he’s about to promote my mother. He’s out to f*ck someone with my help.
    Off the top of my head, the only families that are businesses are the Mafia and the Murdochs. Not to mention the Bloombergs.
    The Kochs are the DeNiro and Pesci and the Sopranos of families who want to tell you they ARE the Government so they can run it like their “legit” business — to serve a as a front for their own accounts.
    The only upside about Trump is that he’s not a made man.
    He’s a loose cannon.
    He’s obviously making the Families very nervous.
    They have guys digging holes in the desert as we speak to disappear him. They’ll tell each other, it hadda be done.
    Frankly, when I see multi-billionaire plutocrats wanna be oligarchs openly discussing which one of them, and only them, needs to run the government, I’m thinking we’re a good decade or two too late on the violent overthrow of this entire edifice.
    Meanwhile, the Bushes and the Clintons can kiss my ass too.
    I mean, I’ll vote for Hillary if I have too, seeing as how she’s not overtly promising to murder millions of Americans via poison policy.
    Meanwhile, punks try to act like the big dogs by buying their way in with family money:
    http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_28685973/rand-paul-can-seek-both-presidency-and-senate
    The $500,000 for the caucuses will be put up by the Paul family. Exception for him, bought and paid for by him.
    Only a Bellmore could like that.
    We are shamelessly full of sh*t.
    End it. Let Franklin know we couldn’t keep it this corrupt pile of sh*t we’ve made of it.
    I don’t give a sh*t what replaces it.
    Chaos would be refreshing .. for a while.

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  255. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/murdoch-begins–draft-bloomberg–movement-as-market-uncertainty-rises-153332970.html
    Meh.
    First off, the government is not a business.
    If it was, Medicare would be permitted to negotiate drug prices, but as it, the business lobby paid off the Republican Party and some Democrats so the government was prevented from acting like a business.
    It’s not a family either. It doesn’t sit around the kitchen table. Families do, less than before, but who is counting. And Dad doesn’t assign chores to the kids like, I don’t know, bombing the sh*t out of the neighbors and torturing the milkman.
    Businesses aren’t families either. Where is the unconditional love in any business, I ask you. When a guy says to you, listen, we’re both business men over here, I don’t think he’s about to promote my mother. He’s out to f*ck someone with my help.
    Off the top of my head, the only families that are businesses are the Mafia and the Murdochs. Not to mention the Bloombergs.
    The Kochs are the DeNiro and Pesci and the Sopranos of families who want to tell you they ARE the Government so they can run it like their “legit” business — to serve a as a front for their own accounts.
    The only upside about Trump is that he’s not a made man.
    He’s a loose cannon.
    He’s obviously making the Families very nervous.
    They have guys digging holes in the desert as we speak to disappear him. They’ll tell each other, it hadda be done.
    Frankly, when I see multi-billionaire plutocrats wanna be oligarchs openly discussing which one of them, and only them, needs to run the government, I’m thinking we’re a good decade or two too late on the violent overthrow of this entire edifice.
    Meanwhile, the Bushes and the Clintons can kiss my ass too.
    I mean, I’ll vote for Hillary if I have too, seeing as how she’s not overtly promising to murder millions of Americans via poison policy.
    Meanwhile, punks try to act like the big dogs by buying their way in with family money:
    http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_28685973/rand-paul-can-seek-both-presidency-and-senate
    The $500,000 for the caucuses will be put up by the Paul family. Exception for him, bought and paid for by him.
    Only a Bellmore could like that.
    We are shamelessly full of sh*t.
    End it. Let Franklin know we couldn’t keep it this corrupt pile of sh*t we’ve made of it.
    I don’t give a sh*t what replaces it.
    Chaos would be refreshing .. for a while.

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  256. At least Bloomberg, unlike Trump, has actual experience in government.
    But can someone whose website features ways to fight climate change actually get anywhere in the Republican primaries? Not to mention someone who says “If you oppose the Iran nuclear agreement, you increase the chances of war.” Just not seeing it . . . even if he would be a massive improvement over the current options.

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  257. At least Bloomberg, unlike Trump, has actual experience in government.
    But can someone whose website features ways to fight climate change actually get anywhere in the Republican primaries? Not to mention someone who says “If you oppose the Iran nuclear agreement, you increase the chances of war.” Just not seeing it . . . even if he would be a massive improvement over the current options.

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  258. At least Bloomberg, unlike Trump, has actual experience in government.
    But can someone whose website features ways to fight climate change actually get anywhere in the Republican primaries? Not to mention someone who says “If you oppose the Iran nuclear agreement, you increase the chances of war.” Just not seeing it . . . even if he would be a massive improvement over the current options.

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  259. The way things are going, we could end with a Trump/Bloomberg ticket on the Right, and a Bloomberg/Trump ticket on the Left.
    Both running as populist rabble rousers.
    You’d have to schedule the Presidential and Vice Presidential debates on the same stage, since the two of them couldn’t be two places at once, though with that kind of money, anything is possible.
    Inevitably we’d have to suffer through months of State Fair appearances with the two of them deepthroating corn dogs until the Mexicans go home, and then when the cameras were turned off, spitting out the partly masticated corn dogs and rushing to the limos to wash their mouths out with some Shipwrecked 1907 Heidseick champagne.
    http://listdose.com/top-10-most-expensive-champagnes/
    They are just like us, you know.
    Of course, Walker and Paul, to mention just two, really ARE just like us, which should make everyone sick to their stomachs.

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  260. The way things are going, we could end with a Trump/Bloomberg ticket on the Right, and a Bloomberg/Trump ticket on the Left.
    Both running as populist rabble rousers.
    You’d have to schedule the Presidential and Vice Presidential debates on the same stage, since the two of them couldn’t be two places at once, though with that kind of money, anything is possible.
    Inevitably we’d have to suffer through months of State Fair appearances with the two of them deepthroating corn dogs until the Mexicans go home, and then when the cameras were turned off, spitting out the partly masticated corn dogs and rushing to the limos to wash their mouths out with some Shipwrecked 1907 Heidseick champagne.
    http://listdose.com/top-10-most-expensive-champagnes/
    They are just like us, you know.
    Of course, Walker and Paul, to mention just two, really ARE just like us, which should make everyone sick to their stomachs.

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  261. The way things are going, we could end with a Trump/Bloomberg ticket on the Right, and a Bloomberg/Trump ticket on the Left.
    Both running as populist rabble rousers.
    You’d have to schedule the Presidential and Vice Presidential debates on the same stage, since the two of them couldn’t be two places at once, though with that kind of money, anything is possible.
    Inevitably we’d have to suffer through months of State Fair appearances with the two of them deepthroating corn dogs until the Mexicans go home, and then when the cameras were turned off, spitting out the partly masticated corn dogs and rushing to the limos to wash their mouths out with some Shipwrecked 1907 Heidseick champagne.
    http://listdose.com/top-10-most-expensive-champagnes/
    They are just like us, you know.
    Of course, Walker and Paul, to mention just two, really ARE just like us, which should make everyone sick to their stomachs.

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  262. top-10-most-expensive-champagnes/…
    the two Perrier-Jouets on that list are for 12-bottles ! and the white Dom is for a Jereboam (a 3 liter bottle) ! cheating !
    !
    but it was fun reading the wtf-language-did-this-come-from auto-corrected text. 🙂

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  263. top-10-most-expensive-champagnes/…
    the two Perrier-Jouets on that list are for 12-bottles ! and the white Dom is for a Jereboam (a 3 liter bottle) ! cheating !
    !
    but it was fun reading the wtf-language-did-this-come-from auto-corrected text. 🙂

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  264. top-10-most-expensive-champagnes/…
    the two Perrier-Jouets on that list are for 12-bottles ! and the white Dom is for a Jereboam (a 3 liter bottle) ! cheating !
    !
    but it was fun reading the wtf-language-did-this-come-from auto-corrected text. 🙂

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  265. The *best* champagne is not the *most expensive* champagne, because the “expense” goes with having name recognition with rich morons.
    And “old champagne” is a waste; it’s not ‘vintage’; it should be consumed within a year of bottling.
    My fave (IMO, ‘best’) champagne is from a winery that I know very well. 100 Euros/jeroboam, express shipped anywhere in France.

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  266. The *best* champagne is not the *most expensive* champagne, because the “expense” goes with having name recognition with rich morons.
    And “old champagne” is a waste; it’s not ‘vintage’; it should be consumed within a year of bottling.
    My fave (IMO, ‘best’) champagne is from a winery that I know very well. 100 Euros/jeroboam, express shipped anywhere in France.

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  267. The *best* champagne is not the *most expensive* champagne, because the “expense” goes with having name recognition with rich morons.
    And “old champagne” is a waste; it’s not ‘vintage’; it should be consumed within a year of bottling.
    My fave (IMO, ‘best’) champagne is from a winery that I know very well. 100 Euros/jeroboam, express shipped anywhere in France.

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  268. No wonder Trump gargles with the stuff.
    Like my favorite billionaire, Warren Buffet, my favorite bubbly is a Cherry Coke.

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  269. No wonder Trump gargles with the stuff.
    Like my favorite billionaire, Warren Buffet, my favorite bubbly is a Cherry Coke.

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  270. No wonder Trump gargles with the stuff.
    Like my favorite billionaire, Warren Buffet, my favorite bubbly is a Cherry Coke.

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  271. One begins to wonder if on the first day of the next Republican Presidency, given the rhetoric, in addition to rounding up 11 million human beings for deportation, murdering 16 million Americans on Medicaid and Obamacare AND carpet bombing half the Mideast, we might also be treated to a nuclear strike against Peking:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-xi-jinping-markets
    It’s going to be quite a day.
    If I were running a (potentially) hostile foreign nuclear power right about now and had heard about enough from these careless-talking killers, I might consider launching a first strike against the United States before they could take office.
    They seem to want to trump the Goldwater of 1964:
    “You’ve got to forget about this civilian. Whenever you drop bombs, you’re going to hit civilians.”
    “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”
    … but not the Goldwater who wisely came to his senses, without relinquishing his principles:
    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
    Sh*t. Full of it. Us.

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  272. One begins to wonder if on the first day of the next Republican Presidency, given the rhetoric, in addition to rounding up 11 million human beings for deportation, murdering 16 million Americans on Medicaid and Obamacare AND carpet bombing half the Mideast, we might also be treated to a nuclear strike against Peking:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-xi-jinping-markets
    It’s going to be quite a day.
    If I were running a (potentially) hostile foreign nuclear power right about now and had heard about enough from these careless-talking killers, I might consider launching a first strike against the United States before they could take office.
    They seem to want to trump the Goldwater of 1964:
    “You’ve got to forget about this civilian. Whenever you drop bombs, you’re going to hit civilians.”
    “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”
    … but not the Goldwater who wisely came to his senses, without relinquishing his principles:
    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
    Sh*t. Full of it. Us.

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  273. One begins to wonder if on the first day of the next Republican Presidency, given the rhetoric, in addition to rounding up 11 million human beings for deportation, murdering 16 million Americans on Medicaid and Obamacare AND carpet bombing half the Mideast, we might also be treated to a nuclear strike against Peking:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-xi-jinping-markets
    It’s going to be quite a day.
    If I were running a (potentially) hostile foreign nuclear power right about now and had heard about enough from these careless-talking killers, I might consider launching a first strike against the United States before they could take office.
    They seem to want to trump the Goldwater of 1964:
    “You’ve got to forget about this civilian. Whenever you drop bombs, you’re going to hit civilians.”
    “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”
    … but not the Goldwater who wisely came to his senses, without relinquishing his principles:
    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
    Sh*t. Full of it. Us.

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  274. Keep the furriners and their fetuses out and knit the public and private sectors together to spy on the rest of us who decide to stay:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/bush-panopticon.html
    I can’t think of the Italian for Mussolini’s definition of Fascism, but in English I believe it’s spelled R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N.
    Meanwhile, in that vein, William Kristol the other day suggested Samuel Alito should run for the republican nomination.
    Prime mover and shaker in giving us money- is-the-only-speech-that-counts:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-views-of-your-overlords.html
    The republican base and its paramilitary cadres are heavily armed, the republican government and its partners in the private sector and the military will have you under surveillance bought and paid for by big money, which itself will be the only form of free speech that has access to politics, government, and elections, along with other restrictions on the voting franchise.
    We’re surrounded.
    But if you’re feeling blue because your 401K balance is down, and the skies are grey, and you need a little downtime with a pick-me-up, check your AK-47 at the door and have a cup of joe from your sensitive, understanding barrista:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/funny-o-day-ceopearlclutching.html
    Just give me a cup of coffee and hold the horsesh8t.

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  275. Keep the furriners and their fetuses out and knit the public and private sectors together to spy on the rest of us who decide to stay:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/bush-panopticon.html
    I can’t think of the Italian for Mussolini’s definition of Fascism, but in English I believe it’s spelled R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N.
    Meanwhile, in that vein, William Kristol the other day suggested Samuel Alito should run for the republican nomination.
    Prime mover and shaker in giving us money- is-the-only-speech-that-counts:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-views-of-your-overlords.html
    The republican base and its paramilitary cadres are heavily armed, the republican government and its partners in the private sector and the military will have you under surveillance bought and paid for by big money, which itself will be the only form of free speech that has access to politics, government, and elections, along with other restrictions on the voting franchise.
    We’re surrounded.
    But if you’re feeling blue because your 401K balance is down, and the skies are grey, and you need a little downtime with a pick-me-up, check your AK-47 at the door and have a cup of joe from your sensitive, understanding barrista:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/funny-o-day-ceopearlclutching.html
    Just give me a cup of coffee and hold the horsesh8t.

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  276. Keep the furriners and their fetuses out and knit the public and private sectors together to spy on the rest of us who decide to stay:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/bush-panopticon.html
    I can’t think of the Italian for Mussolini’s definition of Fascism, but in English I believe it’s spelled R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N.
    Meanwhile, in that vein, William Kristol the other day suggested Samuel Alito should run for the republican nomination.
    Prime mover and shaker in giving us money- is-the-only-speech-that-counts:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-views-of-your-overlords.html
    The republican base and its paramilitary cadres are heavily armed, the republican government and its partners in the private sector and the military will have you under surveillance bought and paid for by big money, which itself will be the only form of free speech that has access to politics, government, and elections, along with other restrictions on the voting franchise.
    We’re surrounded.
    But if you’re feeling blue because your 401K balance is down, and the skies are grey, and you need a little downtime with a pick-me-up, check your AK-47 at the door and have a cup of joe from your sensitive, understanding barrista:
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/funny-o-day-ceopearlclutching.html
    Just give me a cup of coffee and hold the horsesh8t.

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  277. I would be all for Alito running for POTUS since that would remove him from SCOTUS (unless he could successfully pull a Paul).

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  278. I would be all for Alito running for POTUS since that would remove him from SCOTUS (unless he could successfully pull a Paul).

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  279. I would be all for Alito running for POTUS since that would remove him from SCOTUS (unless he could successfully pull a Paul).

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  280. There’s no *legal* requirement that Alito resign from the court in order to run for office. You could make a strong case they he should resign from the court before *taking* office, but Alito+4 conservahacks on the court can decide otherwise.
    The 2000 election showed that, if you have a majority on the court, you don’t even have to bother with counting all of those messy inconvenient “ballot” things, either.

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  281. There’s no *legal* requirement that Alito resign from the court in order to run for office. You could make a strong case they he should resign from the court before *taking* office, but Alito+4 conservahacks on the court can decide otherwise.
    The 2000 election showed that, if you have a majority on the court, you don’t even have to bother with counting all of those messy inconvenient “ballot” things, either.

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  282. There’s no *legal* requirement that Alito resign from the court in order to run for office. You could make a strong case they he should resign from the court before *taking* office, but Alito+4 conservahacks on the court can decide otherwise.
    The 2000 election showed that, if you have a majority on the court, you don’t even have to bother with counting all of those messy inconvenient “ballot” things, either.

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  283. I’m going to take a break for the rest of the week, but consider this:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/us/a-culture-clash-over-guns-infiltrates-the-backcountry.html?_r=1
    I live in Colorado, and while I don’t do the amount of camping and hiking I once did, I’m thinking of resuming these activities to some extent.
    Listen up, pigf*cking, Republican/Libertarian gunsucking as*holes who are ruining my country … all of it.
    You wanna f*ck around with guns around me?
    I’ll f*cking take all of you out, including the demagogic political, media, and NRA Second Amendment vermin who have done this to my country.
    F8ck Off.

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  284. I’m going to take a break for the rest of the week, but consider this:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/us/a-culture-clash-over-guns-infiltrates-the-backcountry.html?_r=1
    I live in Colorado, and while I don’t do the amount of camping and hiking I once did, I’m thinking of resuming these activities to some extent.
    Listen up, pigf*cking, Republican/Libertarian gunsucking as*holes who are ruining my country … all of it.
    You wanna f*ck around with guns around me?
    I’ll f*cking take all of you out, including the demagogic political, media, and NRA Second Amendment vermin who have done this to my country.
    F8ck Off.

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  285. I’m going to take a break for the rest of the week, but consider this:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/us/a-culture-clash-over-guns-infiltrates-the-backcountry.html?_r=1
    I live in Colorado, and while I don’t do the amount of camping and hiking I once did, I’m thinking of resuming these activities to some extent.
    Listen up, pigf*cking, Republican/Libertarian gunsucking as*holes who are ruining my country … all of it.
    You wanna f*ck around with guns around me?
    I’ll f*cking take all of you out, including the demagogic political, media, and NRA Second Amendment vermin who have done this to my country.
    F8ck Off.

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  286. Read the name “Regnery” in this article and realize the fundamental racist, white supremacist filth at the core of the Republican Party these many decades to whom Trump successfully demagogues:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/trump_and_white_supremacists057319.php
    Think of all the well-known conservative celebrity vermin who have been published and supported by Regnery, and the subhuman Republican/Tea Party politicians at all levels of our governments who claim Regnery as one of their loud mouthed outlets.
    A good new term we’ll be hearing more of: Cuckservative
    Meanwhile:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/is_the_planned_parenthood_defu057323.php
    Erickson now believes the Republican Party must die. He invokes Lincoln meaninglessly.
    I think if Lincoln were around today he too would call for the death of the Republican Party, but not the reasons the Erick believes.
    I also believe Lincoln would order Union troops to capture and execute Erickson as a down payment on Sherman’s Second March on filth.

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  287. Read the name “Regnery” in this article and realize the fundamental racist, white supremacist filth at the core of the Republican Party these many decades to whom Trump successfully demagogues:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/trump_and_white_supremacists057319.php
    Think of all the well-known conservative celebrity vermin who have been published and supported by Regnery, and the subhuman Republican/Tea Party politicians at all levels of our governments who claim Regnery as one of their loud mouthed outlets.
    A good new term we’ll be hearing more of: Cuckservative
    Meanwhile:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/is_the_planned_parenthood_defu057323.php
    Erickson now believes the Republican Party must die. He invokes Lincoln meaninglessly.
    I think if Lincoln were around today he too would call for the death of the Republican Party, but not the reasons the Erick believes.
    I also believe Lincoln would order Union troops to capture and execute Erickson as a down payment on Sherman’s Second March on filth.

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  288. Read the name “Regnery” in this article and realize the fundamental racist, white supremacist filth at the core of the Republican Party these many decades to whom Trump successfully demagogues:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/trump_and_white_supremacists057319.php
    Think of all the well-known conservative celebrity vermin who have been published and supported by Regnery, and the subhuman Republican/Tea Party politicians at all levels of our governments who claim Regnery as one of their loud mouthed outlets.
    A good new term we’ll be hearing more of: Cuckservative
    Meanwhile:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/is_the_planned_parenthood_defu057323.php
    Erickson now believes the Republican Party must die. He invokes Lincoln meaninglessly.
    I think if Lincoln were around today he too would call for the death of the Republican Party, but not the reasons the Erick believes.
    I also believe Lincoln would order Union troops to capture and execute Erickson as a down payment on Sherman’s Second March on filth.

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  289. It’s conceivably more likely that evangelical leaders will fairly soon be seeking a meeting with Trump to kiss the ring…

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  290. It’s conceivably more likely that evangelical leaders will fairly soon be seeking a meeting with Trump to kiss the ring…

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  291. It’s conceivably more likely that evangelical leaders will fairly soon be seeking a meeting with Trump to kiss the ring…

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  292. Rings will be kissed on either side to be sure, since some of the “little crackers” Trump is sure to invite to this grift fest have ripped off their sheep for long enough that they afford to sport more rings than Ringo:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/26/donald-trump-plans-meeting-with-evangelicals/
    Trump is merely provisional fluffing (which somehow heightens in intensity every election cycle; maybe we’ll get a kristallnacht of some kind this or next time) of the malignant right-wing base, before the suits surrounding Jeb Bush put the shiv in.
    Bush will kill more Americans than Trump in less messy fashion and the Party will come to realize that and settle down by election day and go his way.

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  293. Rings will be kissed on either side to be sure, since some of the “little crackers” Trump is sure to invite to this grift fest have ripped off their sheep for long enough that they afford to sport more rings than Ringo:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/26/donald-trump-plans-meeting-with-evangelicals/
    Trump is merely provisional fluffing (which somehow heightens in intensity every election cycle; maybe we’ll get a kristallnacht of some kind this or next time) of the malignant right-wing base, before the suits surrounding Jeb Bush put the shiv in.
    Bush will kill more Americans than Trump in less messy fashion and the Party will come to realize that and settle down by election day and go his way.

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  294. Rings will be kissed on either side to be sure, since some of the “little crackers” Trump is sure to invite to this grift fest have ripped off their sheep for long enough that they afford to sport more rings than Ringo:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/26/donald-trump-plans-meeting-with-evangelicals/
    Trump is merely provisional fluffing (which somehow heightens in intensity every election cycle; maybe we’ll get a kristallnacht of some kind this or next time) of the malignant right-wing base, before the suits surrounding Jeb Bush put the shiv in.
    Bush will kill more Americans than Trump in less messy fashion and the Party will come to realize that and settle down by election day and go his way.

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  295. Nigel, I’m loving the image in my mind of a bunch of Protestants, let alone evangelicals, kissing the ring.
    But perhaps their secular ideology trumps (sorry!) their theology.

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  296. Nigel, I’m loving the image in my mind of a bunch of Protestants, let alone evangelicals, kissing the ring.
    But perhaps their secular ideology trumps (sorry!) their theology.

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  297. Nigel, I’m loving the image in my mind of a bunch of Protestants, let alone evangelicals, kissing the ring.
    But perhaps their secular ideology trumps (sorry!) their theology.

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  298. via Washington Monthly, it seems some trough full of concentrated pigsh*t named S.E. Cupp and company blame liberal and Republican squish political correctness for the rise of Trump et al.
    http://townhall.com/columnists/secupp/2015/08/27/blame-liberals-for-the-rise-of-trump-n2044818/page/full
    Hey, Cupp, bring your pigf*cking friends and their subhuman vermin Republican children over to me and we’ll see who wins the battle of political incorrectness.
    Bring guns. We always need more guns to solve our disputes.
    See, this politically correct whining about political correctness by fascist, racist, murderous, victimized Republicans from the get go has been nothing less than a pathetic plea by “conservatives” to let them use their favorite language in the public sphere.
    They want societal welfare their base prejudices and its scum, entitled expression.
    The same language they use around the kitchen table when teaching their fat, neurasthenic, dumbf*ck wall-eyed children which parts of the gummint need to be eliminated.
    Nigger, faggot, cunt, wetback, kike, spic, God-killer, commie, squish, RINO, slave … out of their mouths is the freedom of gutter expression Trump restores to them.
    It’s a liberation movement for bug filth in this country.
    Roughly 50 million of them, I’d estimate.
    Most of them armed.

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  299. via Washington Monthly, it seems some trough full of concentrated pigsh*t named S.E. Cupp and company blame liberal and Republican squish political correctness for the rise of Trump et al.
    http://townhall.com/columnists/secupp/2015/08/27/blame-liberals-for-the-rise-of-trump-n2044818/page/full
    Hey, Cupp, bring your pigf*cking friends and their subhuman vermin Republican children over to me and we’ll see who wins the battle of political incorrectness.
    Bring guns. We always need more guns to solve our disputes.
    See, this politically correct whining about political correctness by fascist, racist, murderous, victimized Republicans from the get go has been nothing less than a pathetic plea by “conservatives” to let them use their favorite language in the public sphere.
    They want societal welfare their base prejudices and its scum, entitled expression.
    The same language they use around the kitchen table when teaching their fat, neurasthenic, dumbf*ck wall-eyed children which parts of the gummint need to be eliminated.
    Nigger, faggot, cunt, wetback, kike, spic, God-killer, commie, squish, RINO, slave … out of their mouths is the freedom of gutter expression Trump restores to them.
    It’s a liberation movement for bug filth in this country.
    Roughly 50 million of them, I’d estimate.
    Most of them armed.

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  300. via Washington Monthly, it seems some trough full of concentrated pigsh*t named S.E. Cupp and company blame liberal and Republican squish political correctness for the rise of Trump et al.
    http://townhall.com/columnists/secupp/2015/08/27/blame-liberals-for-the-rise-of-trump-n2044818/page/full
    Hey, Cupp, bring your pigf*cking friends and their subhuman vermin Republican children over to me and we’ll see who wins the battle of political incorrectness.
    Bring guns. We always need more guns to solve our disputes.
    See, this politically correct whining about political correctness by fascist, racist, murderous, victimized Republicans from the get go has been nothing less than a pathetic plea by “conservatives” to let them use their favorite language in the public sphere.
    They want societal welfare their base prejudices and its scum, entitled expression.
    The same language they use around the kitchen table when teaching their fat, neurasthenic, dumbf*ck wall-eyed children which parts of the gummint need to be eliminated.
    Nigger, faggot, cunt, wetback, kike, spic, God-killer, commie, squish, RINO, slave … out of their mouths is the freedom of gutter expression Trump restores to them.
    It’s a liberation movement for bug filth in this country.
    Roughly 50 million of them, I’d estimate.
    Most of them armed.

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  301. We’re talking about Trump, right?
    Rings are all well and good, but I’m thinking that all kinds of things will need to be kissed before proper obeisance to his hugeness will be considered to have been demonstrated.
    Ubu Roi is on his way.

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  302. We’re talking about Trump, right?
    Rings are all well and good, but I’m thinking that all kinds of things will need to be kissed before proper obeisance to his hugeness will be considered to have been demonstrated.
    Ubu Roi is on his way.

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  303. We’re talking about Trump, right?
    Rings are all well and good, but I’m thinking that all kinds of things will need to be kissed before proper obeisance to his hugeness will be considered to have been demonstrated.
    Ubu Roi is on his way.

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  304. In Trump’s case, I think it’s more like kissing Sauron’s ring. (Even if it gets you power in the short term, it’s deadly for you in the long term.)

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  305. In Trump’s case, I think it’s more like kissing Sauron’s ring. (Even if it gets you power in the short term, it’s deadly for you in the long term.)

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  306. In Trump’s case, I think it’s more like kissing Sauron’s ring. (Even if it gets you power in the short term, it’s deadly for you in the long term.)

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  307. Sports and satire:
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/sarah-palin-curt-schilling-tweet-suspension/2015/08/28/id/672364
    What Casey Stengel observed about baseball players goes here too. He said ballplayers have too much time on their hands, including in the dugout, and they develop peculiarities of the mind.
    Of course this quote may apply as well to the Palin/Trump religious hookup lifestyle:
    “Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional ballplayer. It’s staying up all night looking for a woman does him in.”
    The wasp-larva metaphor is a good one. I’m going to steal it.

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  308. Sports and satire:
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/sarah-palin-curt-schilling-tweet-suspension/2015/08/28/id/672364
    What Casey Stengel observed about baseball players goes here too. He said ballplayers have too much time on their hands, including in the dugout, and they develop peculiarities of the mind.
    Of course this quote may apply as well to the Palin/Trump religious hookup lifestyle:
    “Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional ballplayer. It’s staying up all night looking for a woman does him in.”
    The wasp-larva metaphor is a good one. I’m going to steal it.

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  309. Sports and satire:
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/sarah-palin-curt-schilling-tweet-suspension/2015/08/28/id/672364
    What Casey Stengel observed about baseball players goes here too. He said ballplayers have too much time on their hands, including in the dugout, and they develop peculiarities of the mind.
    Of course this quote may apply as well to the Palin/Trump religious hookup lifestyle:
    “Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional ballplayer. It’s staying up all night looking for a woman does him in.”
    The wasp-larva metaphor is a good one. I’m going to steal it.

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  310. Huge F*ck been grooming Evangelical filth for a quite a long time:
    http://www.salon.com/2015/08/28/evangelicals_love_donald_trump_how_a_thrice_married_new_york_braggart_won_them_over_and_why_its_so_scary/
    It’s the perfect Predator marries Alien horror-flick. It’s the inevitable result of 40 of years of Republican vermin coalition building between the worst instincts of the worst among us, the murderous, racist Ayn Rand wing of the base and the murderous fundamentalist, racist wing of the base. It’s the go-f&ck-yourself, sadistic, grifting prosperity gospel lap dancing the go-f8ck yourself, sadistic, grifting money changers in the temple.
    It’s Dagny Taggert, grinding her stiletto heels into the backs of the weak and powerless for a boost up the Holy Crucifixion Cross and, after asking Jesus where he gets his “nails” done, hoisting up her skirts and sitting on His face for the mutual, in unison, block harmony Hallelujah Chorus End Times orgasm every jagoff and a*shole we’ve permitted to destroy this country have been wishing on us for decades.

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  311. Huge F*ck been grooming Evangelical filth for a quite a long time:
    http://www.salon.com/2015/08/28/evangelicals_love_donald_trump_how_a_thrice_married_new_york_braggart_won_them_over_and_why_its_so_scary/
    It’s the perfect Predator marries Alien horror-flick. It’s the inevitable result of 40 of years of Republican vermin coalition building between the worst instincts of the worst among us, the murderous, racist Ayn Rand wing of the base and the murderous fundamentalist, racist wing of the base. It’s the go-f&ck-yourself, sadistic, grifting prosperity gospel lap dancing the go-f8ck yourself, sadistic, grifting money changers in the temple.
    It’s Dagny Taggert, grinding her stiletto heels into the backs of the weak and powerless for a boost up the Holy Crucifixion Cross and, after asking Jesus where he gets his “nails” done, hoisting up her skirts and sitting on His face for the mutual, in unison, block harmony Hallelujah Chorus End Times orgasm every jagoff and a*shole we’ve permitted to destroy this country have been wishing on us for decades.

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  312. Huge F*ck been grooming Evangelical filth for a quite a long time:
    http://www.salon.com/2015/08/28/evangelicals_love_donald_trump_how_a_thrice_married_new_york_braggart_won_them_over_and_why_its_so_scary/
    It’s the perfect Predator marries Alien horror-flick. It’s the inevitable result of 40 of years of Republican vermin coalition building between the worst instincts of the worst among us, the murderous, racist Ayn Rand wing of the base and the murderous fundamentalist, racist wing of the base. It’s the go-f&ck-yourself, sadistic, grifting prosperity gospel lap dancing the go-f8ck yourself, sadistic, grifting money changers in the temple.
    It’s Dagny Taggert, grinding her stiletto heels into the backs of the weak and powerless for a boost up the Holy Crucifixion Cross and, after asking Jesus where he gets his “nails” done, hoisting up her skirts and sitting on His face for the mutual, in unison, block harmony Hallelujah Chorus End Times orgasm every jagoff and a*shole we’ve permitted to destroy this country have been wishing on us for decades.

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  313. Ugly evangelical political activist Sam Clovis, who just abandoned Rick Perry’s campaign despite the stylish lensless eyeware, and who could detect no moral or religious center in the Donald as little as a month ago, has signed on with the coiffed pig, no doubt to serve as best man at this marriage of cancer and apocalypse for the last days of America.
    I have a feeling it’s going to be another dumbass-George-W-looks-within-Putin’s-soul to cheat on his philosophy exam moment and the murderous jackal housed under Putin/Trump’s hairpiece will be completely missed.
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/28/friday-evening-open-thread-wingularity/
    Not to worry. In 12 months the two of them will be working on Jeb Bush’s campaign looking for ways to cause America untold misery, suffering, and death, and HUGE taxcuts for the two of them.

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  314. Ugly evangelical political activist Sam Clovis, who just abandoned Rick Perry’s campaign despite the stylish lensless eyeware, and who could detect no moral or religious center in the Donald as little as a month ago, has signed on with the coiffed pig, no doubt to serve as best man at this marriage of cancer and apocalypse for the last days of America.
    I have a feeling it’s going to be another dumbass-George-W-looks-within-Putin’s-soul to cheat on his philosophy exam moment and the murderous jackal housed under Putin/Trump’s hairpiece will be completely missed.
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/28/friday-evening-open-thread-wingularity/
    Not to worry. In 12 months the two of them will be working on Jeb Bush’s campaign looking for ways to cause America untold misery, suffering, and death, and HUGE taxcuts for the two of them.

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  315. Ugly evangelical political activist Sam Clovis, who just abandoned Rick Perry’s campaign despite the stylish lensless eyeware, and who could detect no moral or religious center in the Donald as little as a month ago, has signed on with the coiffed pig, no doubt to serve as best man at this marriage of cancer and apocalypse for the last days of America.
    I have a feeling it’s going to be another dumbass-George-W-looks-within-Putin’s-soul to cheat on his philosophy exam moment and the murderous jackal housed under Putin/Trump’s hairpiece will be completely missed.
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/28/friday-evening-open-thread-wingularity/
    Not to worry. In 12 months the two of them will be working on Jeb Bush’s campaign looking for ways to cause America untold misery, suffering, and death, and HUGE taxcuts for the two of them.

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  316. This is about right but is still too politically correct in dealing with the subhuman vermin ascendant in the Republican Party:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/the_roots_of_political_correct057358.php
    Trump et al are merely the latest, malignant apotheosis of the outrage by conservative filth and their subhuman children at being prevented from using the words nigger, cunt, wetback, kike, towelhead, spic, faggot, chink, exceptional white race, etc in public discourse, instead of just around their pigf*cking dinner tables, while they eat with their unwashed hands.

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  317. This is about right but is still too politically correct in dealing with the subhuman vermin ascendant in the Republican Party:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/the_roots_of_political_correct057358.php
    Trump et al are merely the latest, malignant apotheosis of the outrage by conservative filth and their subhuman children at being prevented from using the words nigger, cunt, wetback, kike, towelhead, spic, faggot, chink, exceptional white race, etc in public discourse, instead of just around their pigf*cking dinner tables, while they eat with their unwashed hands.

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  318. This is about right but is still too politically correct in dealing with the subhuman vermin ascendant in the Republican Party:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/the_roots_of_political_correct057358.php
    Trump et al are merely the latest, malignant apotheosis of the outrage by conservative filth and their subhuman children at being prevented from using the words nigger, cunt, wetback, kike, towelhead, spic, faggot, chink, exceptional white race, etc in public discourse, instead of just around their pigf*cking dinner tables, while they eat with their unwashed hands.

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  319. Count, it may come as a revelation to you, but there are still some of us who have not given up all hope of reclaiming our party from the reactionaries who have taken it over. It may be a lost cause, but we are still trying.
    So just possibly, your “every individual Republican” is an over-generalization. One might go so far as to say it’s the kind of thing that you (quite reasonably) decry in Trump and the rest of the bigots.

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  320. Count, it may come as a revelation to you, but there are still some of us who have not given up all hope of reclaiming our party from the reactionaries who have taken it over. It may be a lost cause, but we are still trying.
    So just possibly, your “every individual Republican” is an over-generalization. One might go so far as to say it’s the kind of thing that you (quite reasonably) decry in Trump and the rest of the bigots.

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  321. Count, it may come as a revelation to you, but there are still some of us who have not given up all hope of reclaiming our party from the reactionaries who have taken it over. It may be a lost cause, but we are still trying.
    So just possibly, your “every individual Republican” is an over-generalization. One might go so far as to say it’s the kind of thing that you (quite reasonably) decry in Trump and the rest of the bigots.

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  322. Decry and mimic.
    By their own standards, decrying and not generalizing from the particular would be an exercise in the dreaded political correctness.
    As a persona on the internet and when the need arises in real life, I believe in playing at their level and on their terms or below, or losing, IMHO.
    Besides, I don’t believe the terms “Republican” and “conservative” can be reclaimed from the ruination visited upon them by these nativist, anti-American, malign bigots.
    Decent people, like yourself, those who were formerly known as and under the monikers, conservative and Republican, need to find new labels, a new brand, a new political vehicle, without relinquishing your principles, much as I might disagree with them.
    I’m aware of the difference between those ilk and decent people. I know exactly how I sound and intend to sound that way. Heck, I voted for Reagan once, a self-wound I cauterized a long time ago.
    The terms “conservative” and Republican” are a superfund site or a city self-infected by plague or worse, poisoned beyond all human remediation and use, and require at the very least absolute no trespassing restrictions and total quarantine and stigma, not to mention total disarmament.
    High walls around it with weaponry pointing inward.
    It may require nuking from space. I’d say we’re one election cycle away from those measures.

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  323. Decry and mimic.
    By their own standards, decrying and not generalizing from the particular would be an exercise in the dreaded political correctness.
    As a persona on the internet and when the need arises in real life, I believe in playing at their level and on their terms or below, or losing, IMHO.
    Besides, I don’t believe the terms “Republican” and “conservative” can be reclaimed from the ruination visited upon them by these nativist, anti-American, malign bigots.
    Decent people, like yourself, those who were formerly known as and under the monikers, conservative and Republican, need to find new labels, a new brand, a new political vehicle, without relinquishing your principles, much as I might disagree with them.
    I’m aware of the difference between those ilk and decent people. I know exactly how I sound and intend to sound that way. Heck, I voted for Reagan once, a self-wound I cauterized a long time ago.
    The terms “conservative” and Republican” are a superfund site or a city self-infected by plague or worse, poisoned beyond all human remediation and use, and require at the very least absolute no trespassing restrictions and total quarantine and stigma, not to mention total disarmament.
    High walls around it with weaponry pointing inward.
    It may require nuking from space. I’d say we’re one election cycle away from those measures.

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  324. Decry and mimic.
    By their own standards, decrying and not generalizing from the particular would be an exercise in the dreaded political correctness.
    As a persona on the internet and when the need arises in real life, I believe in playing at their level and on their terms or below, or losing, IMHO.
    Besides, I don’t believe the terms “Republican” and “conservative” can be reclaimed from the ruination visited upon them by these nativist, anti-American, malign bigots.
    Decent people, like yourself, those who were formerly known as and under the monikers, conservative and Republican, need to find new labels, a new brand, a new political vehicle, without relinquishing your principles, much as I might disagree with them.
    I’m aware of the difference between those ilk and decent people. I know exactly how I sound and intend to sound that way. Heck, I voted for Reagan once, a self-wound I cauterized a long time ago.
    The terms “conservative” and Republican” are a superfund site or a city self-infected by plague or worse, poisoned beyond all human remediation and use, and require at the very least absolute no trespassing restrictions and total quarantine and stigma, not to mention total disarmament.
    High walls around it with weaponry pointing inward.
    It may require nuking from space. I’d say we’re one election cycle away from those measures.

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  325. I wish I saw a prospect for a new party. Unfortunately, I see nothing in US history to suggest that we have a large enough issue that could result in one.
    As for a replacement “conservative,” which as you say has been (mis)appropriated by radical reactionaries, I’m open to suggestions. Care to offer up one?

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  326. I wish I saw a prospect for a new party. Unfortunately, I see nothing in US history to suggest that we have a large enough issue that could result in one.
    As for a replacement “conservative,” which as you say has been (mis)appropriated by radical reactionaries, I’m open to suggestions. Care to offer up one?

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  327. I wish I saw a prospect for a new party. Unfortunately, I see nothing in US history to suggest that we have a large enough issue that could result in one.
    As for a replacement “conservative,” which as you say has been (mis)appropriated by radical reactionaries, I’m open to suggestions. Care to offer up one?

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  328. there isn’t a conservative person on this board that I have any kind of problem with. I had no problem with brett, for that matter, other than his inability to grasp the concept of “give it a rest”.
    what the hell happened to the (R) party? not individual conservative people, but the party?
    to my eye, there actually are viable (R) candidates who, were they to become POTUS, wouldn’t make me immediately go make sure my passport was up to date.
    kasich, huntsman. Gary johnson, who ran as a libertarian, but is a credible conservative. I probably disagree with those guys on 90% of their posutions, but I would be perfectly comfortable trusting them to basically run the shop and keep the wheels on.
    which is to say, I don’t think they would drive the nation into a ditch.
    the only guys getting any traction are clowns like trump and the endless parade of culture warriors.
    what gives?

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  329. there isn’t a conservative person on this board that I have any kind of problem with. I had no problem with brett, for that matter, other than his inability to grasp the concept of “give it a rest”.
    what the hell happened to the (R) party? not individual conservative people, but the party?
    to my eye, there actually are viable (R) candidates who, were they to become POTUS, wouldn’t make me immediately go make sure my passport was up to date.
    kasich, huntsman. Gary johnson, who ran as a libertarian, but is a credible conservative. I probably disagree with those guys on 90% of their posutions, but I would be perfectly comfortable trusting them to basically run the shop and keep the wheels on.
    which is to say, I don’t think they would drive the nation into a ditch.
    the only guys getting any traction are clowns like trump and the endless parade of culture warriors.
    what gives?

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  330. there isn’t a conservative person on this board that I have any kind of problem with. I had no problem with brett, for that matter, other than his inability to grasp the concept of “give it a rest”.
    what the hell happened to the (R) party? not individual conservative people, but the party?
    to my eye, there actually are viable (R) candidates who, were they to become POTUS, wouldn’t make me immediately go make sure my passport was up to date.
    kasich, huntsman. Gary johnson, who ran as a libertarian, but is a credible conservative. I probably disagree with those guys on 90% of their posutions, but I would be perfectly comfortable trusting them to basically run the shop and keep the wheels on.
    which is to say, I don’t think they would drive the nation into a ditch.
    the only guys getting any traction are clowns like trump and the endless parade of culture warriors.
    what gives?

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  331. Archie Bunker might say Trump is a regula whatchamacallit, one o’ dem Lao Tzus, is what he is.
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/30/late-night-open-thread-bonfires-of-the-vanity-candidate/
    I agree that Trump is more dangerous than a clown.
    But Jeb Bush is more dangerous than that, because he’s actually electable once he embraces the far right wing, which he will.
    The rest of the candidate roster on the Right are clowns in the sense of a movie plot of the grand heist wherein thugs dress up like clowns and knock over the vault at the Chase Manhattan with automatic weapons.
    A similar-caliber candidate roster for the Democratic Party back in the late 60s/early 1970s, when its base lost its mind and appeared to go off the rails, would be Squeaky Fromme, former Symbionese Liberation Army hanger-onners, the Hell’s Angels at Altamont, Neal Cassady, Phil Spector, and Denny McClain.

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  332. Archie Bunker might say Trump is a regula whatchamacallit, one o’ dem Lao Tzus, is what he is.
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/30/late-night-open-thread-bonfires-of-the-vanity-candidate/
    I agree that Trump is more dangerous than a clown.
    But Jeb Bush is more dangerous than that, because he’s actually electable once he embraces the far right wing, which he will.
    The rest of the candidate roster on the Right are clowns in the sense of a movie plot of the grand heist wherein thugs dress up like clowns and knock over the vault at the Chase Manhattan with automatic weapons.
    A similar-caliber candidate roster for the Democratic Party back in the late 60s/early 1970s, when its base lost its mind and appeared to go off the rails, would be Squeaky Fromme, former Symbionese Liberation Army hanger-onners, the Hell’s Angels at Altamont, Neal Cassady, Phil Spector, and Denny McClain.

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  333. Archie Bunker might say Trump is a regula whatchamacallit, one o’ dem Lao Tzus, is what he is.
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/30/late-night-open-thread-bonfires-of-the-vanity-candidate/
    I agree that Trump is more dangerous than a clown.
    But Jeb Bush is more dangerous than that, because he’s actually electable once he embraces the far right wing, which he will.
    The rest of the candidate roster on the Right are clowns in the sense of a movie plot of the grand heist wherein thugs dress up like clowns and knock over the vault at the Chase Manhattan with automatic weapons.
    A similar-caliber candidate roster for the Democratic Party back in the late 60s/early 1970s, when its base lost its mind and appeared to go off the rails, would be Squeaky Fromme, former Symbionese Liberation Army hanger-onners, the Hell’s Angels at Altamont, Neal Cassady, Phil Spector, and Denny McClain.

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  334. what gives?
    my theory: the old vision of someone who will work with ‘the other side’ to push through the best compromises possible is no longer attractive. people want a warrior; they want a righteous asshole to slay the enemy and chase the filth from the temples of power; they want someone who will sweep away the corrupt conventions or the past and usher in a new era of honest representation for their side. fuck the others.
    the GOP has been wallowing in out-of-power blahs for 8 years now. and they’re overstocked on people who are eager to play the righteous asshole role for the sake of an election. because even if they lose, the right’s thriving righteous asshole entertainment industry ensures most of them a career in bloviation and demagoguery. that’s what they’re really doing: trying out for a spot on Fox. but Trump is the best of them all because he a natural buffoon, and there’s nothing DC about him, and he acts like he’s above the political game.
    the Dems aren’t playing this time because it’s Hillary’s Turn.

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  335. what gives?
    my theory: the old vision of someone who will work with ‘the other side’ to push through the best compromises possible is no longer attractive. people want a warrior; they want a righteous asshole to slay the enemy and chase the filth from the temples of power; they want someone who will sweep away the corrupt conventions or the past and usher in a new era of honest representation for their side. fuck the others.
    the GOP has been wallowing in out-of-power blahs for 8 years now. and they’re overstocked on people who are eager to play the righteous asshole role for the sake of an election. because even if they lose, the right’s thriving righteous asshole entertainment industry ensures most of them a career in bloviation and demagoguery. that’s what they’re really doing: trying out for a spot on Fox. but Trump is the best of them all because he a natural buffoon, and there’s nothing DC about him, and he acts like he’s above the political game.
    the Dems aren’t playing this time because it’s Hillary’s Turn.

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  336. what gives?
    my theory: the old vision of someone who will work with ‘the other side’ to push through the best compromises possible is no longer attractive. people want a warrior; they want a righteous asshole to slay the enemy and chase the filth from the temples of power; they want someone who will sweep away the corrupt conventions or the past and usher in a new era of honest representation for their side. fuck the others.
    the GOP has been wallowing in out-of-power blahs for 8 years now. and they’re overstocked on people who are eager to play the righteous asshole role for the sake of an election. because even if they lose, the right’s thriving righteous asshole entertainment industry ensures most of them a career in bloviation and demagoguery. that’s what they’re really doing: trying out for a spot on Fox. but Trump is the best of them all because he a natural buffoon, and there’s nothing DC about him, and he acts like he’s above the political game.
    the Dems aren’t playing this time because it’s Hillary’s Turn.

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  337. what gives?
    my theory: the old vision of someone who will work with ‘the other side’ to push through the best compromises possible is no longer attractive. people want a warrior; they want a righteous asshole to slay the enemy and chase the filth from the temples of power; they want someone who will sweep away the corrupt conventions or the past and usher in a new era of honest representation for their side. fuck the others.
    the GOP has been wallowing in out-of-power blahs for 8 years now. and they’re overstocked on people who are eager to play the righteous asshole role for the sake of an election. because even if they lose, the right’s thriving righteous asshole entertainment industry ensures most of them a career in bloviation and demagoguery. that’s what they’re really doing: trying out for a spot on Fox. but Trump is the best of them all because he a natural buffoon, and there’s nothing DC about him, and he acts like he’s above the political game.
    the Dems aren’t playing this time because it’s Hillary’s Turn.

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  338. what gives?
    my theory: the old vision of someone who will work with ‘the other side’ to push through the best compromises possible is no longer attractive. people want a warrior; they want a righteous asshole to slay the enemy and chase the filth from the temples of power; they want someone who will sweep away the corrupt conventions or the past and usher in a new era of honest representation for their side. fuck the others.
    the GOP has been wallowing in out-of-power blahs for 8 years now. and they’re overstocked on people who are eager to play the righteous asshole role for the sake of an election. because even if they lose, the right’s thriving righteous asshole entertainment industry ensures most of them a career in bloviation and demagoguery. that’s what they’re really doing: trying out for a spot on Fox. but Trump is the best of them all because he a natural buffoon, and there’s nothing DC about him, and he acts like he’s above the political game.
    the Dems aren’t playing this time because it’s Hillary’s Turn.

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  339. what gives?
    my theory: the old vision of someone who will work with ‘the other side’ to push through the best compromises possible is no longer attractive. people want a warrior; they want a righteous asshole to slay the enemy and chase the filth from the temples of power; they want someone who will sweep away the corrupt conventions or the past and usher in a new era of honest representation for their side. fuck the others.
    the GOP has been wallowing in out-of-power blahs for 8 years now. and they’re overstocked on people who are eager to play the righteous asshole role for the sake of an election. because even if they lose, the right’s thriving righteous asshole entertainment industry ensures most of them a career in bloviation and demagoguery. that’s what they’re really doing: trying out for a spot on Fox. but Trump is the best of them all because he a natural buffoon, and there’s nothing DC about him, and he acts like he’s above the political game.
    the Dems aren’t playing this time because it’s Hillary’s Turn.

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  340. wj, I’m at a loss to come up with an alternative label/brand.
    The closest thing I can think of is what Old Lodgeskins, the leader of the Cheyenne (played by Chief Dan George) in the movie “Little Big Man” called his own people — “the human beings”.
    This, after surveying the slaughter and mayhem caused by the despicable vermin who destroyed his peoples’ way of life.

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  341. wj, I’m at a loss to come up with an alternative label/brand.
    The closest thing I can think of is what Old Lodgeskins, the leader of the Cheyenne (played by Chief Dan George) in the movie “Little Big Man” called his own people — “the human beings”.
    This, after surveying the slaughter and mayhem caused by the despicable vermin who destroyed his peoples’ way of life.

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  342. wj, I’m at a loss to come up with an alternative label/brand.
    The closest thing I can think of is what Old Lodgeskins, the leader of the Cheyenne (played by Chief Dan George) in the movie “Little Big Man” called his own people — “the human beings”.
    This, after surveying the slaughter and mayhem caused by the despicable vermin who destroyed his peoples’ way of life.

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  343. I’m still trying to get my funny bone around Clown Walker’s off-the-charts proposal to build a 3600 miles long wall on the Canadian Border.
    There’s just no ha ha there. It’s just cynical malignity of an eminently killable variety. He uttered this bon mot with alarming sincerity, and if there is anything I hate and scares me more, it’s a sincere clown.
    Beware of clowns wearing steel-toed, nonfloppy boots and shooting off what looks like a starter pistol.
    It’s towering insanity is as immense as Tacitus’s (what a self-regarding lout that guy was and is, or did he join the seminary too, like Erickson the Lesser, to get God’s imprimatur on his brand of malignity) suggestions years ago of: 1. garrisoning the entirety of Iraq, and 2. evacuating and abandoning New Orleans entirely after Katrina and leaving it to rot.
    No doubt tomorrow Walker will suggest that 11 million Hispanic immigrants should be put into slave labor to build the Canadian wall before being boxcarred to the Mexican border and catapulted over the southern Berlin Wall version.
    I’m thinking of how Canada might react (they weren’t too keen on the stricter border security aimed at them after 9/11 either).
    Maybe they would allow only a single checkpoint at which all American citizens attempting entry would queue up to be frisked, have their underpants pulled up over their heads, their foreheads stamped “HOSER” in boldface and turned back to our precious “homeland” with a kick in the ass and some gunfire aimed over our heads.
    We deserve it for even allowing Walker to walk the streets without leg irons and a tracking device around his ankle, let alone run for President, for effsakes.
    Apparently anyone can grow up to run for President in the country and the Republican Party has introduced the notion of getting rid of the “growing up” part of that process.
    My son got his undergraduate degree at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, a great school in a great city.
    I always had it in the back of my mind that at least he’d already be in Canada (this was 2007 when he was a freshman) if George W. got it in his mind to reinstitute the military draft for the multiple, eternal slaughterfests abroad.

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  344. I’m still trying to get my funny bone around Clown Walker’s off-the-charts proposal to build a 3600 miles long wall on the Canadian Border.
    There’s just no ha ha there. It’s just cynical malignity of an eminently killable variety. He uttered this bon mot with alarming sincerity, and if there is anything I hate and scares me more, it’s a sincere clown.
    Beware of clowns wearing steel-toed, nonfloppy boots and shooting off what looks like a starter pistol.
    It’s towering insanity is as immense as Tacitus’s (what a self-regarding lout that guy was and is, or did he join the seminary too, like Erickson the Lesser, to get God’s imprimatur on his brand of malignity) suggestions years ago of: 1. garrisoning the entirety of Iraq, and 2. evacuating and abandoning New Orleans entirely after Katrina and leaving it to rot.
    No doubt tomorrow Walker will suggest that 11 million Hispanic immigrants should be put into slave labor to build the Canadian wall before being boxcarred to the Mexican border and catapulted over the southern Berlin Wall version.
    I’m thinking of how Canada might react (they weren’t too keen on the stricter border security aimed at them after 9/11 either).
    Maybe they would allow only a single checkpoint at which all American citizens attempting entry would queue up to be frisked, have their underpants pulled up over their heads, their foreheads stamped “HOSER” in boldface and turned back to our precious “homeland” with a kick in the ass and some gunfire aimed over our heads.
    We deserve it for even allowing Walker to walk the streets without leg irons and a tracking device around his ankle, let alone run for President, for effsakes.
    Apparently anyone can grow up to run for President in the country and the Republican Party has introduced the notion of getting rid of the “growing up” part of that process.
    My son got his undergraduate degree at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, a great school in a great city.
    I always had it in the back of my mind that at least he’d already be in Canada (this was 2007 when he was a freshman) if George W. got it in his mind to reinstitute the military draft for the multiple, eternal slaughterfests abroad.

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  345. I’m still trying to get my funny bone around Clown Walker’s off-the-charts proposal to build a 3600 miles long wall on the Canadian Border.
    There’s just no ha ha there. It’s just cynical malignity of an eminently killable variety. He uttered this bon mot with alarming sincerity, and if there is anything I hate and scares me more, it’s a sincere clown.
    Beware of clowns wearing steel-toed, nonfloppy boots and shooting off what looks like a starter pistol.
    It’s towering insanity is as immense as Tacitus’s (what a self-regarding lout that guy was and is, or did he join the seminary too, like Erickson the Lesser, to get God’s imprimatur on his brand of malignity) suggestions years ago of: 1. garrisoning the entirety of Iraq, and 2. evacuating and abandoning New Orleans entirely after Katrina and leaving it to rot.
    No doubt tomorrow Walker will suggest that 11 million Hispanic immigrants should be put into slave labor to build the Canadian wall before being boxcarred to the Mexican border and catapulted over the southern Berlin Wall version.
    I’m thinking of how Canada might react (they weren’t too keen on the stricter border security aimed at them after 9/11 either).
    Maybe they would allow only a single checkpoint at which all American citizens attempting entry would queue up to be frisked, have their underpants pulled up over their heads, their foreheads stamped “HOSER” in boldface and turned back to our precious “homeland” with a kick in the ass and some gunfire aimed over our heads.
    We deserve it for even allowing Walker to walk the streets without leg irons and a tracking device around his ankle, let alone run for President, for effsakes.
    Apparently anyone can grow up to run for President in the country and the Republican Party has introduced the notion of getting rid of the “growing up” part of that process.
    My son got his undergraduate degree at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, a great school in a great city.
    I always had it in the back of my mind that at least he’d already be in Canada (this was 2007 when he was a freshman) if George W. got it in his mind to reinstitute the military draft for the multiple, eternal slaughterfests abroad.

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  346. Speaking of clowns, when I was a kid I enjoyed three-ring circuses because while the head clown was in Ring Number Uno having himself shot out of a cannon into a vat of tartar sauce, there was a lesser clown to the side attempting to get the crowd’s attention by pantomiming how disappointingly silly the big clown’s act is and signaling “yeah, well, that’s nuthin, watch this!” to the crowd and then dropping trou, bending over, and shoving his head up his own backside:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-this-week-trump-campaign
    Jindal then announced that HE, on the first day after being elected el Presidente, would build little walls around every female’s vagina using non-unionized labor and the only ones permitted entry afterwards would be the National Guard troops he would garrison within.
    He then climbed a ladder and attempted a cannonball dive from a tiny platform near the top of the circus tent into a shot glass filled with chicken vindaloo.
    Has anyone checked this man’s immigration paperwork?

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  347. Speaking of clowns, when I was a kid I enjoyed three-ring circuses because while the head clown was in Ring Number Uno having himself shot out of a cannon into a vat of tartar sauce, there was a lesser clown to the side attempting to get the crowd’s attention by pantomiming how disappointingly silly the big clown’s act is and signaling “yeah, well, that’s nuthin, watch this!” to the crowd and then dropping trou, bending over, and shoving his head up his own backside:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-this-week-trump-campaign
    Jindal then announced that HE, on the first day after being elected el Presidente, would build little walls around every female’s vagina using non-unionized labor and the only ones permitted entry afterwards would be the National Guard troops he would garrison within.
    He then climbed a ladder and attempted a cannonball dive from a tiny platform near the top of the circus tent into a shot glass filled with chicken vindaloo.
    Has anyone checked this man’s immigration paperwork?

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  348. Speaking of clowns, when I was a kid I enjoyed three-ring circuses because while the head clown was in Ring Number Uno having himself shot out of a cannon into a vat of tartar sauce, there was a lesser clown to the side attempting to get the crowd’s attention by pantomiming how disappointingly silly the big clown’s act is and signaling “yeah, well, that’s nuthin, watch this!” to the crowd and then dropping trou, bending over, and shoving his head up his own backside:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-this-week-trump-campaign
    Jindal then announced that HE, on the first day after being elected el Presidente, would build little walls around every female’s vagina using non-unionized labor and the only ones permitted entry afterwards would be the National Guard troops he would garrison within.
    He then climbed a ladder and attempted a cannonball dive from a tiny platform near the top of the circus tent into a shot glass filled with chicken vindaloo.
    Has anyone checked this man’s immigration paperwork?

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  349. Actually, Tacitus used to be a guy you could have a conversation with. Maybe, like, 10 years ago.
    Somewhere along the line he bought into the whole Song of Roland, barbarians at the gates, war of civilizations thing.
    It seems to explain everything that happens in the whole freaking world to his satisfaction, so he’s sticking with it.
    I’m still trying to get my funny bone around Clown Walker’s off-the-charts proposal to build a 3600 miles long wall on the Canadian Border.
    I think it was actually Canadian PM Stephen Harper’s idea.
    Too many Yanks sneaking north for cheap meds, too many Canucks sneaking south to buy luxury elective medical procedures, instead of getting in line and waiting their turn like every other good Canadian.
    Plus, Americans just can’t get the hang of which bin is for trash, and which for glass and metal, and which for paper, and the public works people keep having to separate the perfectly good recyclables from half-eaten snacks from Tim Horton’s.
    He thought it would offend the US if he suggested the idea publicly, and being Canadian, he didn’t want that. So, as I understand it, he invited Walker to lunch one day under some kind of “meeting of conservative minds” BS and, in about 10 minutes, talked him into thinking it was Walker’s own idea.
    “Brilliant, Scott!! You should run on that!!”
    And here we are.

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  350. Actually, Tacitus used to be a guy you could have a conversation with. Maybe, like, 10 years ago.
    Somewhere along the line he bought into the whole Song of Roland, barbarians at the gates, war of civilizations thing.
    It seems to explain everything that happens in the whole freaking world to his satisfaction, so he’s sticking with it.
    I’m still trying to get my funny bone around Clown Walker’s off-the-charts proposal to build a 3600 miles long wall on the Canadian Border.
    I think it was actually Canadian PM Stephen Harper’s idea.
    Too many Yanks sneaking north for cheap meds, too many Canucks sneaking south to buy luxury elective medical procedures, instead of getting in line and waiting their turn like every other good Canadian.
    Plus, Americans just can’t get the hang of which bin is for trash, and which for glass and metal, and which for paper, and the public works people keep having to separate the perfectly good recyclables from half-eaten snacks from Tim Horton’s.
    He thought it would offend the US if he suggested the idea publicly, and being Canadian, he didn’t want that. So, as I understand it, he invited Walker to lunch one day under some kind of “meeting of conservative minds” BS and, in about 10 minutes, talked him into thinking it was Walker’s own idea.
    “Brilliant, Scott!! You should run on that!!”
    And here we are.

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  351. Actually, Tacitus used to be a guy you could have a conversation with. Maybe, like, 10 years ago.
    Somewhere along the line he bought into the whole Song of Roland, barbarians at the gates, war of civilizations thing.
    It seems to explain everything that happens in the whole freaking world to his satisfaction, so he’s sticking with it.
    I’m still trying to get my funny bone around Clown Walker’s off-the-charts proposal to build a 3600 miles long wall on the Canadian Border.
    I think it was actually Canadian PM Stephen Harper’s idea.
    Too many Yanks sneaking north for cheap meds, too many Canucks sneaking south to buy luxury elective medical procedures, instead of getting in line and waiting their turn like every other good Canadian.
    Plus, Americans just can’t get the hang of which bin is for trash, and which for glass and metal, and which for paper, and the public works people keep having to separate the perfectly good recyclables from half-eaten snacks from Tim Horton’s.
    He thought it would offend the US if he suggested the idea publicly, and being Canadian, he didn’t want that. So, as I understand it, he invited Walker to lunch one day under some kind of “meeting of conservative minds” BS and, in about 10 minutes, talked him into thinking it was Walker’s own idea.
    “Brilliant, Scott!! You should run on that!!”
    And here we are.

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  352. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Canada decided to build The Wall. Of Ice.
    To keep the White Walker and Wildlings out of their civilized country.
    Winter is coming, also, too.

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  353. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Canada decided to build The Wall. Of Ice.
    To keep the White Walker and Wildlings out of their civilized country.
    Winter is coming, also, too.

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  354. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Canada decided to build The Wall. Of Ice.
    To keep the White Walker and Wildlings out of their civilized country.
    Winter is coming, also, too.

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  355. I’m at one of those moments where I feel like giving up (what, I’m not sure) because I live in a hopelessly stupid country. It’ll pass. It always does.
    But right now, I think it would be easier to be outraged over Benghazi, buying more guns, and saying things like, “All lives matter!” At least I’d feel like I had a purpose.

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  356. I’m at one of those moments where I feel like giving up (what, I’m not sure) because I live in a hopelessly stupid country. It’ll pass. It always does.
    But right now, I think it would be easier to be outraged over Benghazi, buying more guns, and saying things like, “All lives matter!” At least I’d feel like I had a purpose.

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  357. I’m at one of those moments where I feel like giving up (what, I’m not sure) because I live in a hopelessly stupid country. It’ll pass. It always does.
    But right now, I think it would be easier to be outraged over Benghazi, buying more guns, and saying things like, “All lives matter!” At least I’d feel like I had a purpose.

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  358. russell: … not individual conservative people, but the party?
    What’s a party made of? Chopped liver?
    Even if we view the GOP as a corporation (a “person” distinct from any of the meat people associated with it), we have to ask: who is “the party” pandering to? Who is buying its “product”?
    If there were few customers eager to buy GOP-brand bullshit, wouldn’t reasonable people like wj stand a better chance of redeeming the honor of The Party of Lincoln?
    –TP

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  359. russell: … not individual conservative people, but the party?
    What’s a party made of? Chopped liver?
    Even if we view the GOP as a corporation (a “person” distinct from any of the meat people associated with it), we have to ask: who is “the party” pandering to? Who is buying its “product”?
    If there were few customers eager to buy GOP-brand bullshit, wouldn’t reasonable people like wj stand a better chance of redeeming the honor of The Party of Lincoln?
    –TP

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  360. russell: … not individual conservative people, but the party?
    What’s a party made of? Chopped liver?
    Even if we view the GOP as a corporation (a “person” distinct from any of the meat people associated with it), we have to ask: who is “the party” pandering to? Who is buying its “product”?
    If there were few customers eager to buy GOP-brand bullshit, wouldn’t reasonable people like wj stand a better chance of redeeming the honor of The Party of Lincoln?
    –TP

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  361. what the hell happened to the (R) party? not individual conservative people, but the party?
    Briefly, Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” brought all the Dixiecrats over from the Democratic Party. But the GOP didn’t have the same traditions in place, which the Democrats had developed over decades, to keep them from taking over. So they did.
    Then (with significant help from Grover Norquist and his anti-tax crusade) the radical reactionaries took over. In Reagan’s day, there were still a lot of fairly liberal Republicans around to keep things from going to hell. (And Reagan himself was pretty moderate on a lot of things — even though it didn’t seem so at the time.) But over time, almost all moderate Republicans (outside Maine) have been successfully driven out of office.
    Now, at least in some places, a few moderates are appearing at the local levels. For example, the lady who has been Mayor of Fresno, California the last few years. But it will be a while longer before they can rise above the reactionaries who control the party machinery.

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  362. what the hell happened to the (R) party? not individual conservative people, but the party?
    Briefly, Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” brought all the Dixiecrats over from the Democratic Party. But the GOP didn’t have the same traditions in place, which the Democrats had developed over decades, to keep them from taking over. So they did.
    Then (with significant help from Grover Norquist and his anti-tax crusade) the radical reactionaries took over. In Reagan’s day, there were still a lot of fairly liberal Republicans around to keep things from going to hell. (And Reagan himself was pretty moderate on a lot of things — even though it didn’t seem so at the time.) But over time, almost all moderate Republicans (outside Maine) have been successfully driven out of office.
    Now, at least in some places, a few moderates are appearing at the local levels. For example, the lady who has been Mayor of Fresno, California the last few years. But it will be a while longer before they can rise above the reactionaries who control the party machinery.

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  363. what the hell happened to the (R) party? not individual conservative people, but the party?
    Briefly, Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” brought all the Dixiecrats over from the Democratic Party. But the GOP didn’t have the same traditions in place, which the Democrats had developed over decades, to keep them from taking over. So they did.
    Then (with significant help from Grover Norquist and his anti-tax crusade) the radical reactionaries took over. In Reagan’s day, there were still a lot of fairly liberal Republicans around to keep things from going to hell. (And Reagan himself was pretty moderate on a lot of things — even though it didn’t seem so at the time.) But over time, almost all moderate Republicans (outside Maine) have been successfully driven out of office.
    Now, at least in some places, a few moderates are appearing at the local levels. For example, the lady who has been Mayor of Fresno, California the last few years. But it will be a while longer before they can rise above the reactionaries who control the party machinery.

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  364. I was born in Ohio, spent lots of time at grandparents’ homes in Ohio, and attended college in Ohio and count me NOT among the insulted hordes.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bob-gibbs-mount-mckinley-name
    Besides, I’ll wager that 85% of present-day Ohioans didn’t even know McKinley hailed from the State, let alone was once its Governor.
    Let’s interview the outrage:
    “Did ya hear Osama renamed Mt McKinley?
    “To what? Mount Kilimanjaro? Typical Kenyan behavior.”
    “No. It’s now called Denali. And Kilimanjaro is in Tanzania.”
    “What’s a Denali? Tanzawhozit? Sounds like jungle drums to me. He should have named it after Sarah Palin, if he wanted to honor someone who deserved it. Death Palin Peak. Or how bout Mount Exxon? There’s gotta be oil under that thing! “Name it, schmame it, let’s frack it!”
    “The point is William McKinley was once President AND a Governor of Ohio”
    “Ya don’t say. Leave it to that witch doctor in the White House. Well, now I’m insulted and outraged. That’s the durn tootinest unAmerican thing since Bill Clinton removed McKinney’s head from Mount RushLimbaugh up there in the Black Hills of South Dakota, Rocky boy!”
    “McKinley. And his head wasn’t on “Rushmore”. Lincoln’s, Teddy Roosevelt’s, Jefferson’s, and Washington’s heads are on it.
    “What? Since when? FOX News never reported THAT! You telling me we’ve got a mountain in this country with the heads carved on it of the man who destroyed the Confederacy and the great institution of slavery under which the Negro was better off, another guy who was nuthin but a nature-loving RINO in liberal sheep’s clothing, a Frenchie-loving, over-educated elitist who might as well have been homosexual, and I’m not too sure about Washington’s persuasions and loyalties either come to think on it. Where is this Denali place?
    “Alaska.”
    “By God, when Putin sees this, and he can from his bedroom window, ya know, he’ll take this as a sign of weakness. Denali? Is that Russkie talk?
    “It’s Native American. I think it means “Great One”.
    “Blasted PC nonsense! If they want great, name it Mount Donald! Yet another thing Trump needs to do on the first day of his Presidency after bombing the AA-rabs, deportin’ the Mexicans, and gettin those damned black hands offa my Medicare!”

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  365. I was born in Ohio, spent lots of time at grandparents’ homes in Ohio, and attended college in Ohio and count me NOT among the insulted hordes.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bob-gibbs-mount-mckinley-name
    Besides, I’ll wager that 85% of present-day Ohioans didn’t even know McKinley hailed from the State, let alone was once its Governor.
    Let’s interview the outrage:
    “Did ya hear Osama renamed Mt McKinley?
    “To what? Mount Kilimanjaro? Typical Kenyan behavior.”
    “No. It’s now called Denali. And Kilimanjaro is in Tanzania.”
    “What’s a Denali? Tanzawhozit? Sounds like jungle drums to me. He should have named it after Sarah Palin, if he wanted to honor someone who deserved it. Death Palin Peak. Or how bout Mount Exxon? There’s gotta be oil under that thing! “Name it, schmame it, let’s frack it!”
    “The point is William McKinley was once President AND a Governor of Ohio”
    “Ya don’t say. Leave it to that witch doctor in the White House. Well, now I’m insulted and outraged. That’s the durn tootinest unAmerican thing since Bill Clinton removed McKinney’s head from Mount RushLimbaugh up there in the Black Hills of South Dakota, Rocky boy!”
    “McKinley. And his head wasn’t on “Rushmore”. Lincoln’s, Teddy Roosevelt’s, Jefferson’s, and Washington’s heads are on it.
    “What? Since when? FOX News never reported THAT! You telling me we’ve got a mountain in this country with the heads carved on it of the man who destroyed the Confederacy and the great institution of slavery under which the Negro was better off, another guy who was nuthin but a nature-loving RINO in liberal sheep’s clothing, a Frenchie-loving, over-educated elitist who might as well have been homosexual, and I’m not too sure about Washington’s persuasions and loyalties either come to think on it. Where is this Denali place?
    “Alaska.”
    “By God, when Putin sees this, and he can from his bedroom window, ya know, he’ll take this as a sign of weakness. Denali? Is that Russkie talk?
    “It’s Native American. I think it means “Great One”.
    “Blasted PC nonsense! If they want great, name it Mount Donald! Yet another thing Trump needs to do on the first day of his Presidency after bombing the AA-rabs, deportin’ the Mexicans, and gettin those damned black hands offa my Medicare!”

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  366. I was born in Ohio, spent lots of time at grandparents’ homes in Ohio, and attended college in Ohio and count me NOT among the insulted hordes.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bob-gibbs-mount-mckinley-name
    Besides, I’ll wager that 85% of present-day Ohioans didn’t even know McKinley hailed from the State, let alone was once its Governor.
    Let’s interview the outrage:
    “Did ya hear Osama renamed Mt McKinley?
    “To what? Mount Kilimanjaro? Typical Kenyan behavior.”
    “No. It’s now called Denali. And Kilimanjaro is in Tanzania.”
    “What’s a Denali? Tanzawhozit? Sounds like jungle drums to me. He should have named it after Sarah Palin, if he wanted to honor someone who deserved it. Death Palin Peak. Or how bout Mount Exxon? There’s gotta be oil under that thing! “Name it, schmame it, let’s frack it!”
    “The point is William McKinley was once President AND a Governor of Ohio”
    “Ya don’t say. Leave it to that witch doctor in the White House. Well, now I’m insulted and outraged. That’s the durn tootinest unAmerican thing since Bill Clinton removed McKinney’s head from Mount RushLimbaugh up there in the Black Hills of South Dakota, Rocky boy!”
    “McKinley. And his head wasn’t on “Rushmore”. Lincoln’s, Teddy Roosevelt’s, Jefferson’s, and Washington’s heads are on it.
    “What? Since when? FOX News never reported THAT! You telling me we’ve got a mountain in this country with the heads carved on it of the man who destroyed the Confederacy and the great institution of slavery under which the Negro was better off, another guy who was nuthin but a nature-loving RINO in liberal sheep’s clothing, a Frenchie-loving, over-educated elitist who might as well have been homosexual, and I’m not too sure about Washington’s persuasions and loyalties either come to think on it. Where is this Denali place?
    “Alaska.”
    “By God, when Putin sees this, and he can from his bedroom window, ya know, he’ll take this as a sign of weakness. Denali? Is that Russkie talk?
    “It’s Native American. I think it means “Great One”.
    “Blasted PC nonsense! If they want great, name it Mount Donald! Yet another thing Trump needs to do on the first day of his Presidency after bombing the AA-rabs, deportin’ the Mexicans, and gettin those damned black hands offa my Medicare!”

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  367. If they name a Mt. Donald, then they have to name a Mt. Goofy, also too.
    Hey, anyone hear that Palin is being considered for Trump’s VP?

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  368. If they name a Mt. Donald, then they have to name a Mt. Goofy, also too.
    Hey, anyone hear that Palin is being considered for Trump’s VP?

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  369. If they name a Mt. Donald, then they have to name a Mt. Goofy, also too.
    Hey, anyone hear that Palin is being considered for Trump’s VP?

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  370. If NASA ever discovers mountains on Uranus, one should be named for Limbaugh, in honor of his draft deferment.
    Too bad gas giants just don’t have lofty prominences. And neither does Uranus.

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  371. If NASA ever discovers mountains on Uranus, one should be named for Limbaugh, in honor of his draft deferment.
    Too bad gas giants just don’t have lofty prominences. And neither does Uranus.

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  372. If NASA ever discovers mountains on Uranus, one should be named for Limbaugh, in honor of his draft deferment.
    Too bad gas giants just don’t have lofty prominences. And neither does Uranus.

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  373. Turns out the State of Alaska changed the name of the mountain back to Denali 40 years ago:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/mount_mckinley_and_deference_t057372.php
    Obama’s just playing catch up. But he knows how to pick the perfect time to torment as*holes.
    But I guess states rights only pertain to whining Ohio legislative ilk, including Kasich who has a been a crybaby jagoff since way back, not Alaskans themselves.
    But politically correct, anti-American Breitbart filth knows the real reasons behind it:
    http://www.joemygod.com/2015/08/31/ben-shapiro-has-the-mt-denali-sadz/
    hat tip to Washington Monthly
    Can’t wait for Ms Death Palin’s gibbering word salad on this.

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  374. Turns out the State of Alaska changed the name of the mountain back to Denali 40 years ago:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/mount_mckinley_and_deference_t057372.php
    Obama’s just playing catch up. But he knows how to pick the perfect time to torment as*holes.
    But I guess states rights only pertain to whining Ohio legislative ilk, including Kasich who has a been a crybaby jagoff since way back, not Alaskans themselves.
    But politically correct, anti-American Breitbart filth knows the real reasons behind it:
    http://www.joemygod.com/2015/08/31/ben-shapiro-has-the-mt-denali-sadz/
    hat tip to Washington Monthly
    Can’t wait for Ms Death Palin’s gibbering word salad on this.

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  375. Turns out the State of Alaska changed the name of the mountain back to Denali 40 years ago:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/mount_mckinley_and_deference_t057372.php
    Obama’s just playing catch up. But he knows how to pick the perfect time to torment as*holes.
    But I guess states rights only pertain to whining Ohio legislative ilk, including Kasich who has a been a crybaby jagoff since way back, not Alaskans themselves.
    But politically correct, anti-American Breitbart filth knows the real reasons behind it:
    http://www.joemygod.com/2015/08/31/ben-shapiro-has-the-mt-denali-sadz/
    hat tip to Washington Monthly
    Can’t wait for Ms Death Palin’s gibbering word salad on this.

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  376. But the GOP didn’t have the same traditions in place, which the Democrats had developed over decades, to keep them from taking over.
    Really? Which “traditions” were those?

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  377. But the GOP didn’t have the same traditions in place, which the Democrats had developed over decades, to keep them from taking over.
    Really? Which “traditions” were those?

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  378. But the GOP didn’t have the same traditions in place, which the Democrats had developed over decades, to keep them from taking over.
    Really? Which “traditions” were those?

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  379. The ones which allowed the Democrats to have southerners chairing most of the committies in Congress (due to seniority), and have the electoral votes of the “Solid South.” But still have a party which was center-left, rather than hard right.
    I don’t how how they pulled it off. But pretty obviously, since they managed to nominate (and elect) FDR and Kennedy (not to mention nominating folks like McGovern), they had to have something in place.

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  380. The ones which allowed the Democrats to have southerners chairing most of the committies in Congress (due to seniority), and have the electoral votes of the “Solid South.” But still have a party which was center-left, rather than hard right.
    I don’t how how they pulled it off. But pretty obviously, since they managed to nominate (and elect) FDR and Kennedy (not to mention nominating folks like McGovern), they had to have something in place.

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  381. The ones which allowed the Democrats to have southerners chairing most of the committies in Congress (due to seniority), and have the electoral votes of the “Solid South.” But still have a party which was center-left, rather than hard right.
    I don’t how how they pulled it off. But pretty obviously, since they managed to nominate (and elect) FDR and Kennedy (not to mention nominating folks like McGovern), they had to have something in place.

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  382. wj: I think it was an implicit bargain: we’ll let you be as racist as you want, if you support the rest of our program.
    Works for Dixiecrat + anything that can keep its gorge down, but sure seems to fit better with modern Republicans.

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  383. wj: I think it was an implicit bargain: we’ll let you be as racist as you want, if you support the rest of our program.
    Works for Dixiecrat + anything that can keep its gorge down, but sure seems to fit better with modern Republicans.

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  384. wj: I think it was an implicit bargain: we’ll let you be as racist as you want, if you support the rest of our program.
    Works for Dixiecrat + anything that can keep its gorge down, but sure seems to fit better with modern Republicans.

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  385. I don’t how how they pulled it off.
    Like snarki said. The seniority system was a vital component, but that tradition was not specifically a Democratic Party one. Things fell apart starting in 1938 as many southern dems began to fret that the New Deal was “going too far”, and they actively aligned themselves with the GOP to thwart progressive legislation. cf passing Taft-Hartley over Truman’s veto. Black civil rights was just the final straw, not the only one.
    As for Kennedy, recall that Harry Bryd won Mississippi and Alabama. The GOP won Florida. LBJ’s presence on the ticket may also explain some of the Dem’s remaining success in the “old South”.
    And there was the fine old tradition of the south having lost the Civil War. Maybe the GOP needs to try that move.
    Have a good one!

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  386. I don’t how how they pulled it off.
    Like snarki said. The seniority system was a vital component, but that tradition was not specifically a Democratic Party one. Things fell apart starting in 1938 as many southern dems began to fret that the New Deal was “going too far”, and they actively aligned themselves with the GOP to thwart progressive legislation. cf passing Taft-Hartley over Truman’s veto. Black civil rights was just the final straw, not the only one.
    As for Kennedy, recall that Harry Bryd won Mississippi and Alabama. The GOP won Florida. LBJ’s presence on the ticket may also explain some of the Dem’s remaining success in the “old South”.
    And there was the fine old tradition of the south having lost the Civil War. Maybe the GOP needs to try that move.
    Have a good one!

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  387. I don’t how how they pulled it off.
    Like snarki said. The seniority system was a vital component, but that tradition was not specifically a Democratic Party one. Things fell apart starting in 1938 as many southern dems began to fret that the New Deal was “going too far”, and they actively aligned themselves with the GOP to thwart progressive legislation. cf passing Taft-Hartley over Truman’s veto. Black civil rights was just the final straw, not the only one.
    As for Kennedy, recall that Harry Bryd won Mississippi and Alabama. The GOP won Florida. LBJ’s presence on the ticket may also explain some of the Dem’s remaining success in the “old South”.
    And there was the fine old tradition of the south having lost the Civil War. Maybe the GOP needs to try that move.
    Have a good one!

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  388. If NASA ever discovers mountains on Uranus, one should be named for Limbaugh, in honor of his draft deferment.
    You mean Mount Anal Cyst?

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  389. If NASA ever discovers mountains on Uranus, one should be named for Limbaugh, in honor of his draft deferment.
    You mean Mount Anal Cyst?

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  390. If NASA ever discovers mountains on Uranus, one should be named for Limbaugh, in honor of his draft deferment.
    You mean Mount Anal Cyst?

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  391. The Armed Forces turned the anal cyst away because doctors found a Rush Limbaugh growth attached to it, a condition of rank cowardice which which may been fatal to those going into combat alongside the cyst.
    However, that saved us from paying for the construction of the Tomb Of The Unknown Pigf*cker.

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  392. The Armed Forces turned the anal cyst away because doctors found a Rush Limbaugh growth attached to it, a condition of rank cowardice which which may been fatal to those going into combat alongside the cyst.
    However, that saved us from paying for the construction of the Tomb Of The Unknown Pigf*cker.

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  393. The Armed Forces turned the anal cyst away because doctors found a Rush Limbaugh growth attached to it, a condition of rank cowardice which which may been fatal to those going into combat alongside the cyst.
    However, that saved us from paying for the construction of the Tomb Of The Unknown Pigf*cker.

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  394. That was my reaction too, Count:
    BANG! BANG! BANG-BANG-BANG-BANGGITY-BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM *BOOM*!
    RW ‘truther’ trolls such as ‘Thom’ need much more pain in their lives. It would be educational for them.

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  395. That was my reaction too, Count:
    BANG! BANG! BANG-BANG-BANG-BANGGITY-BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM *BOOM*!
    RW ‘truther’ trolls such as ‘Thom’ need much more pain in their lives. It would be educational for them.

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  396. That was my reaction too, Count:
    BANG! BANG! BANG-BANG-BANG-BANGGITY-BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM *BOOM*!
    RW ‘truther’ trolls such as ‘Thom’ need much more pain in their lives. It would be educational for them.

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