by russell
As most folks probably know, I write code for a living. I build software. It's a funny industry, by which I don't mean funny-ha-ha, and is prone to strange enthusiasms. It can be a little volatile.
I currently work for a company that's been around for a while – probably about 12 years, depending on when you start the clock. The owner started by reselling a software-based service, using licensed software running on a small server farm in his basement, then acquired some IP and an engineering team to deal with it, and over about a decade built it into a not-bad little privately owned company, with a very healthy revenue-per-employee ratio, a nice recurring revenue business model, and lean but pretty effective operations.
Nice!
Of course, just running a nice profitable business is no longer a thing, these days everybody wants to cash out, so over the last year and a half or so we've been purchased twice, once by a bunch of finance nitwits who wanted to be a Big Deal in the "cloud space" (we are not a cloud company), and after those guys more or less ran themselves into the ground, we purchased again by a smarter crew who bought the assets on the cheap, because the first guys were running out of (other people's) cash and needed some kind of lifeline, however temporary.
"Bought the assets" means stuff, not people, so most of the employees have been cut loose. A handful of folks, including me, are being kept on for a couple of months to do "knowledge transfer", which basically means train our replacements. We'll get a minimal bonus if we stick it out for three months, but most likely none of us will be here that long, one way or another.
All of this is back story, offered for your reading pleasure, and to afford me an alternative to mumbling to myself while swilling Jack on ice in a dark dive somewhere. Thanks for your indulgence.
What I'm really writing about here is what happens next.
I've already found another job, and will start there later this month. After getting this done, my first question was, "does my current insurance continue after I leave Current Employer until I start at New Employer, or is there a gap?". Because I live in the US of A, and like most folks here I get my insurance from my employer.
I've gotten a couple of answers to that question so far – "No" and "it depends" – so the next thing I looked into was re-negotiating my start date at New Employer so there wouldn't be a gap between end of current job and start of new job.
I send an email, HR person at new job says "Call me, it's easier to explain that way".
So, I call. New Company HR person says, "Actually, your coverage with us doesn't start until the first day of the second full month of your employment with us". I chewed on that for a minute and realized that what she meant was "May 1". So, not just a gap, but a large gap.
While I was sorting all of that out, New Company HR person continues on to say, "What most folks do is go without insurance, unless something happens, in which case they sign up for COBRA, which is available for 60 days, and which will be retroactive in case you need it for things that happened before you bought it".
I was somewhat taken aback by this, not realizing that this kind of paper-trail time-travel was on offer, but I realized the logic of it. COBRA can be spendy, and why buy it before you need it? I also realized why she didn't want to email me the answer – it's probably not in her interest to be on record as advising folks how to game COBRA coverage.
And, I also realized what a freaking cluster***k live in these United States is becoming. Or, is already.
People ask why I think single payer is a good idea. I think it's a good idea because what we do now is a sleeveless shambles. It's inefficient, it's convoluted beyond belief, it requires smart-ass gaming to make it work at all. If people's health wasn't at stake, it would be comical. Sadly, it's not comical.
And yes, in a perfect Chicago school world, the unfettered market would make a thousand flowers bloom. Unfortunately, what we've already seen is the "unfettered market" actors refusing to insure existing conditions, and/or going over people's paperwork after taking their premiums for decades to find some weird disqualifying typo so they can refuse coverage.
I, personally, am going to be fine. The industry I work in is healthy and growing, my skill set is in demand, I have a good resume, I have a new job in hand. My job and industry pay pretty well, I'll cash out some vacation time on my way out, I can cover a month of COBRA if I absolutely need to. It'll work out. I'm quite lucky.
I have no idea what most folks do, or how they get by.
I got fired. I signed up for Medicaid. Thank goodness for that.
I got fired. I signed up for Medicaid. Thank goodness for that.
I got fired. I signed up for Medicaid. Thank goodness for that.
When I got laid off (about a decade ago), I did COBRA for a while. Then I went naked for a while — pre-existing condition made that the main choice.
Then I got together with a couple of friends in similar positions, and created a “group” (actually a company with minimal activity). At which point, suddenly the insurance companies didn’t care about our various pre-existing conditions . . . because it was, you know, a group.
Now, I’m on Medicare (aka single payer for those who vote reliably), and the others got employed and got coverage that way. So we’ve wrapped up the “group”. But the gaming hasn’t stopped.
My wife is on Obamacare. But the difference in premiums is substantial for a single person vs two halves of a married couple. So we are both signed up. Except we select a plan for her, but I never quite get around to selecting one for me. So she gets her coverage at a reasonable rate. (I don’t pay premiums because, of course, I don’t have a plan….;-)
When I got laid off (about a decade ago), I did COBRA for a while. Then I went naked for a while — pre-existing condition made that the main choice.
Then I got together with a couple of friends in similar positions, and created a “group” (actually a company with minimal activity). At which point, suddenly the insurance companies didn’t care about our various pre-existing conditions . . . because it was, you know, a group.
Now, I’m on Medicare (aka single payer for those who vote reliably), and the others got employed and got coverage that way. So we’ve wrapped up the “group”. But the gaming hasn’t stopped.
My wife is on Obamacare. But the difference in premiums is substantial for a single person vs two halves of a married couple. So we are both signed up. Except we select a plan for her, but I never quite get around to selecting one for me. So she gets her coverage at a reasonable rate. (I don’t pay premiums because, of course, I don’t have a plan….;-)
When I got laid off (about a decade ago), I did COBRA for a while. Then I went naked for a while — pre-existing condition made that the main choice.
Then I got together with a couple of friends in similar positions, and created a “group” (actually a company with minimal activity). At which point, suddenly the insurance companies didn’t care about our various pre-existing conditions . . . because it was, you know, a group.
Now, I’m on Medicare (aka single payer for those who vote reliably), and the others got employed and got coverage that way. So we’ve wrapped up the “group”. But the gaming hasn’t stopped.
My wife is on Obamacare. But the difference in premiums is substantial for a single person vs two halves of a married couple. So we are both signed up. Except we select a plan for her, but I never quite get around to selecting one for me. So she gets her coverage at a reasonable rate. (I don’t pay premiums because, of course, I don’t have a plan….;-)
I was a principal and then president of our small software consulting company for about 18 years. A major reason for forming the company was to obtain health insurance coverage as a group.
Nowadays I work for Cisco so this is no longer an issue for me.
Of course, single payer is the sensible answer and so, also of course, I don’t expect it to happen in my lifetime.
I was a principal and then president of our small software consulting company for about 18 years. A major reason for forming the company was to obtain health insurance coverage as a group.
Nowadays I work for Cisco so this is no longer an issue for me.
Of course, single payer is the sensible answer and so, also of course, I don’t expect it to happen in my lifetime.
I was a principal and then president of our small software consulting company for about 18 years. A major reason for forming the company was to obtain health insurance coverage as a group.
Nowadays I work for Cisco so this is no longer an issue for me.
Of course, single payer is the sensible answer and so, also of course, I don’t expect it to happen in my lifetime.
Socialism, death panels, culture of dependency, why-should-I-have-to-pay-for-someone-else?, etc., etc., etc.
Socialism, death panels, culture of dependency, why-should-I-have-to-pay-for-someone-else?, etc., etc., etc.
Socialism, death panels, culture of dependency, why-should-I-have-to-pay-for-someone-else?, etc., etc., etc.
It’s not necessarily “single-payer” that makes other countries’ health systems more sensible. For example, France has one of the best health care systems in the world, and it’s not single-payer. Check out the difference in health care prices.
I wish the health care system in the US weren’t so complicated and annoying, but we need to work on Obamacare, which is an excellent start. We can’t really evaluate it very well when it was so thoroughly undermined by Congress.
I certainly wouldn’t object to some hugely progressive Congress suddenly appearing and passing Medicare for All. Unfortunately, we even have problems with Medicare as long as health care prices are out of sight.
It’s not necessarily “single-payer” that makes other countries’ health systems more sensible. For example, France has one of the best health care systems in the world, and it’s not single-payer. Check out the difference in health care prices.
I wish the health care system in the US weren’t so complicated and annoying, but we need to work on Obamacare, which is an excellent start. We can’t really evaluate it very well when it was so thoroughly undermined by Congress.
I certainly wouldn’t object to some hugely progressive Congress suddenly appearing and passing Medicare for All. Unfortunately, we even have problems with Medicare as long as health care prices are out of sight.
It’s not necessarily “single-payer” that makes other countries’ health systems more sensible. For example, France has one of the best health care systems in the world, and it’s not single-payer. Check out the difference in health care prices.
I wish the health care system in the US weren’t so complicated and annoying, but we need to work on Obamacare, which is an excellent start. We can’t really evaluate it very well when it was so thoroughly undermined by Congress.
I certainly wouldn’t object to some hugely progressive Congress suddenly appearing and passing Medicare for All. Unfortunately, we even have problems with Medicare as long as health care prices are out of sight.
Not understanding the concept of “insurance.”
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Not understanding the concept of “insurance.”
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Not understanding the concept of “insurance.”
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This:
“People ask why I think single payer is a good idea. I think it’s a good idea because what we do now is a sleeveless shambles. It’s inefficient, it’s convoluted beyond belief, it requires smart-ass gaming to make it work at all. If people’s health wasn’t at stake, it would be comical. Sadly, it’s not comical.”
The only thing I could add would be four or five eff words.
At the root of all of this, is the sadistic, quintessentially American attitude that anyone who doesn’t work doesn’t deserve insurance or medical care, and being unemployed through no fault of one’s own is a reason for the republican hordes to spit upon them and demand they die in the streets, in case anyone is under the illusion that conservative sadism is preserved for the lazy in this country.
This is why health insurance was tied to one’s employment originally.
But the lazy should be insured too. Maybe the country will be lucky and the lazy will be too lazy to seek care and we’ll make out like bandits.
The entire idea of a “group” is also anathema to the American “ethic”, whatever the eff that is, especially one that includes folks, who because of pre-existing conditions or their relative lack of ability to afford medical care, might raise the groups’ premiums.
Like George Carlin observed. If you are pre-born in this country you’ve got it made in the hearts and minds of these people, but once you’re born, you’re f8cked.
But the first part of that isn’t really true. If you are a fetus inside a poor mother’s womb in America, few conservatives in the political and media establishment really give a f*ck about you, except for maybe limiting your access to prenatal care and making sure your mother can’t access birth control methods to prevent the next pregnancy.
Course, what they also want is for these to stop breeding like rabbits, by sheer willpower.
This:
“People ask why I think single payer is a good idea. I think it’s a good idea because what we do now is a sleeveless shambles. It’s inefficient, it’s convoluted beyond belief, it requires smart-ass gaming to make it work at all. If people’s health wasn’t at stake, it would be comical. Sadly, it’s not comical.”
The only thing I could add would be four or five eff words.
At the root of all of this, is the sadistic, quintessentially American attitude that anyone who doesn’t work doesn’t deserve insurance or medical care, and being unemployed through no fault of one’s own is a reason for the republican hordes to spit upon them and demand they die in the streets, in case anyone is under the illusion that conservative sadism is preserved for the lazy in this country.
This is why health insurance was tied to one’s employment originally.
But the lazy should be insured too. Maybe the country will be lucky and the lazy will be too lazy to seek care and we’ll make out like bandits.
The entire idea of a “group” is also anathema to the American “ethic”, whatever the eff that is, especially one that includes folks, who because of pre-existing conditions or their relative lack of ability to afford medical care, might raise the groups’ premiums.
Like George Carlin observed. If you are pre-born in this country you’ve got it made in the hearts and minds of these people, but once you’re born, you’re f8cked.
But the first part of that isn’t really true. If you are a fetus inside a poor mother’s womb in America, few conservatives in the political and media establishment really give a f*ck about you, except for maybe limiting your access to prenatal care and making sure your mother can’t access birth control methods to prevent the next pregnancy.
Course, what they also want is for these to stop breeding like rabbits, by sheer willpower.
This:
“People ask why I think single payer is a good idea. I think it’s a good idea because what we do now is a sleeveless shambles. It’s inefficient, it’s convoluted beyond belief, it requires smart-ass gaming to make it work at all. If people’s health wasn’t at stake, it would be comical. Sadly, it’s not comical.”
The only thing I could add would be four or five eff words.
At the root of all of this, is the sadistic, quintessentially American attitude that anyone who doesn’t work doesn’t deserve insurance or medical care, and being unemployed through no fault of one’s own is a reason for the republican hordes to spit upon them and demand they die in the streets, in case anyone is under the illusion that conservative sadism is preserved for the lazy in this country.
This is why health insurance was tied to one’s employment originally.
But the lazy should be insured too. Maybe the country will be lucky and the lazy will be too lazy to seek care and we’ll make out like bandits.
The entire idea of a “group” is also anathema to the American “ethic”, whatever the eff that is, especially one that includes folks, who because of pre-existing conditions or their relative lack of ability to afford medical care, might raise the groups’ premiums.
Like George Carlin observed. If you are pre-born in this country you’ve got it made in the hearts and minds of these people, but once you’re born, you’re f8cked.
But the first part of that isn’t really true. If you are a fetus inside a poor mother’s womb in America, few conservatives in the political and media establishment really give a f*ck about you, except for maybe limiting your access to prenatal care and making sure your mother can’t access birth control methods to prevent the next pregnancy.
Course, what they also want is for these to stop breeding like rabbits, by sheer willpower.
The healthcare insurance industry hates repeat customers, unless you are a healthy premium-paying customer, and tries to discourage the chronically ill from seeking repeat patient care.
Like the restaurant owners in Mafia films, as long as you pay for protection but don’t really bother the local Don for muscle, you’re O.K. Call on him one too many times, and now business is business as just about everyone says as they get you ready for a good rogering and maybe your establishment is worth more burned to the ground because of some pre-existing fire code violation.
I hardly ever access my health insurance, knock on wood. But the wood I knock on ain’t cheap. So, when I get to the end, and I’ve transferred all of this wealth to these people without asking very much in return, do I get a refund?
The healthcare insurance industry hates repeat customers, unless you are a healthy premium-paying customer, and tries to discourage the chronically ill from seeking repeat patient care.
Like the restaurant owners in Mafia films, as long as you pay for protection but don’t really bother the local Don for muscle, you’re O.K. Call on him one too many times, and now business is business as just about everyone says as they get you ready for a good rogering and maybe your establishment is worth more burned to the ground because of some pre-existing fire code violation.
I hardly ever access my health insurance, knock on wood. But the wood I knock on ain’t cheap. So, when I get to the end, and I’ve transferred all of this wealth to these people without asking very much in return, do I get a refund?
The healthcare insurance industry hates repeat customers, unless you are a healthy premium-paying customer, and tries to discourage the chronically ill from seeking repeat patient care.
Like the restaurant owners in Mafia films, as long as you pay for protection but don’t really bother the local Don for muscle, you’re O.K. Call on him one too many times, and now business is business as just about everyone says as they get you ready for a good rogering and maybe your establishment is worth more burned to the ground because of some pre-existing fire code violation.
I hardly ever access my health insurance, knock on wood. But the wood I knock on ain’t cheap. So, when I get to the end, and I’ve transferred all of this wealth to these people without asking very much in return, do I get a refund?
It’s not necessarily “single-payer” that makes other countries’ health systems more sensible.
Yes, quite so. And to be perfectly honest, I’m not married to single payer per se. Whatever works, and lots of things have been demonstrated to work.
What we have, not so much.
I see the ACA as a necessary and critical first step, and I also think it’s caught up in, and to some degree knee-capped by, the overall shambolic train wreck that is the delivery and funding of health care in this country. I’m glad it was passed, I see it as a tiny beachhead in what actually needs doing, and I hope the incremental benefits it creates are recognized as such.
Basically, my position is that people shouldn’t have to go through idiotic, nudge-and-a-wink contortions to be able to continue going to the doctor if they lose their job, or change jobs, or work at a trade or in a field where group coverage at a something-like-affordable-rate-if-you-squint-hard is not available.
I don’t see access to health care as a right, in the sense of a “we hold these truths to be self-evident” inalienable god-given right. It’s just a plainly useful Very Good Thing, like roads, potable water, schools, libraries, and a functioning sewer system.
It should be available to everybody in this country, because we are freaking rich, we can afford it, and not having some kind of basic, rudimentary coverage available for everybody ends up wasting everybody’s time, money, effort, and attention.
Cuba, dirt-poor third-world failed commie state Cuba, has better health care than we do.
It’s just stupid. I hate plainly stupid things, especially when well-known remedies (see sapient’s link, for which many thanks!) are ready to hand.
We already spend unbelievable sh*t-tons of money on it, more than almost anybody else on the planet, per capita. You should at least be able to go one freaking weekend between job and the next without having to go through some kind of triple-bank-shot machinations to make sure you don’t go f****ing bankrupt if you break your leg.
It’s not necessarily “single-payer” that makes other countries’ health systems more sensible.
Yes, quite so. And to be perfectly honest, I’m not married to single payer per se. Whatever works, and lots of things have been demonstrated to work.
What we have, not so much.
I see the ACA as a necessary and critical first step, and I also think it’s caught up in, and to some degree knee-capped by, the overall shambolic train wreck that is the delivery and funding of health care in this country. I’m glad it was passed, I see it as a tiny beachhead in what actually needs doing, and I hope the incremental benefits it creates are recognized as such.
Basically, my position is that people shouldn’t have to go through idiotic, nudge-and-a-wink contortions to be able to continue going to the doctor if they lose their job, or change jobs, or work at a trade or in a field where group coverage at a something-like-affordable-rate-if-you-squint-hard is not available.
I don’t see access to health care as a right, in the sense of a “we hold these truths to be self-evident” inalienable god-given right. It’s just a plainly useful Very Good Thing, like roads, potable water, schools, libraries, and a functioning sewer system.
It should be available to everybody in this country, because we are freaking rich, we can afford it, and not having some kind of basic, rudimentary coverage available for everybody ends up wasting everybody’s time, money, effort, and attention.
Cuba, dirt-poor third-world failed commie state Cuba, has better health care than we do.
It’s just stupid. I hate plainly stupid things, especially when well-known remedies (see sapient’s link, for which many thanks!) are ready to hand.
We already spend unbelievable sh*t-tons of money on it, more than almost anybody else on the planet, per capita. You should at least be able to go one freaking weekend between job and the next without having to go through some kind of triple-bank-shot machinations to make sure you don’t go f****ing bankrupt if you break your leg.
It’s not necessarily “single-payer” that makes other countries’ health systems more sensible.
Yes, quite so. And to be perfectly honest, I’m not married to single payer per se. Whatever works, and lots of things have been demonstrated to work.
What we have, not so much.
I see the ACA as a necessary and critical first step, and I also think it’s caught up in, and to some degree knee-capped by, the overall shambolic train wreck that is the delivery and funding of health care in this country. I’m glad it was passed, I see it as a tiny beachhead in what actually needs doing, and I hope the incremental benefits it creates are recognized as such.
Basically, my position is that people shouldn’t have to go through idiotic, nudge-and-a-wink contortions to be able to continue going to the doctor if they lose their job, or change jobs, or work at a trade or in a field where group coverage at a something-like-affordable-rate-if-you-squint-hard is not available.
I don’t see access to health care as a right, in the sense of a “we hold these truths to be self-evident” inalienable god-given right. It’s just a plainly useful Very Good Thing, like roads, potable water, schools, libraries, and a functioning sewer system.
It should be available to everybody in this country, because we are freaking rich, we can afford it, and not having some kind of basic, rudimentary coverage available for everybody ends up wasting everybody’s time, money, effort, and attention.
Cuba, dirt-poor third-world failed commie state Cuba, has better health care than we do.
It’s just stupid. I hate plainly stupid things, especially when well-known remedies (see sapient’s link, for which many thanks!) are ready to hand.
We already spend unbelievable sh*t-tons of money on it, more than almost anybody else on the planet, per capita. You should at least be able to go one freaking weekend between job and the next without having to go through some kind of triple-bank-shot machinations to make sure you don’t go f****ing bankrupt if you break your leg.
Look at the Republican murderers doing their best to raise premiums to Obamacare customers, so they can winch that Obamacare is unaffordable, you know, compared to not having insurance.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/14/1499808/-Republicans-still-fighting-to-increase-Obamacare-premiums
Look at the Republican murderers doing their best to raise premiums to Obamacare customers, so they can winch that Obamacare is unaffordable, you know, compared to not having insurance.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/14/1499808/-Republicans-still-fighting-to-increase-Obamacare-premiums
Look at the Republican murderers doing their best to raise premiums to Obamacare customers, so they can winch that Obamacare is unaffordable, you know, compared to not having insurance.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/14/1499808/-Republicans-still-fighting-to-increase-Obamacare-premiums
we have a population that’s too stupid to not vote for an obvious fraud like Trump. we’re not getting decent health care any time soon.
we have a population that’s too stupid to not vote for an obvious fraud like Trump. we’re not getting decent health care any time soon.
we have a population that’s too stupid to not vote for an obvious fraud like Trump. we’re not getting decent health care any time soon.
Nate Silver wonders:
“Wonder if Trump’s recent behavior is intended to produce an implied threat that a contested convention could become violent.”
Stole that from Balloon Juice.
I love this sh*t:
https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/48ntj1/cmv_republicans_should_allow_guns_at_their/
I hope they do. And I hope they kill each other on the floor of the f*cking Quicken Loans Arena.
Maybe they can exchange bon mots between burst of automatic gunfire regarding whether private actors’ property rights Trump the unrestricted carry and use of firearms on private property, but by no means may guns be restricted around me on a public sidewalk, or in a bar, or at the Lincoln Monument, where I’m sure millions of confederate Republicans would love another shot at Abe.
I wonder who the Ohio National Guard allegiances will be with when they have to go in there? Will they shoot the Trumpsters, or will they aim their fire at the traditional Republicans.
It’s hard to say, but irresponsible not to speculate.
Maybe they’ll kill the right people this time around. Ya think?
But, I suspect it will only be unarmed hippie and black and Hispanic protesters who will be gunned down. Maybe the Cleveland cops will be deputized by the RNC to find out which protesters are enrolled in Obamacare and disappear them, which after all would save the Republican candidate the trouble of sending out their Obamacare expiration notices if elected.
Raise your hand with a First Amendment sign, BANG!, you’re dead. Raise your hand with a weapon in it? Oh, that’s fine.
Quicken? Aren’t they the tax people? Maybe there is still some irony to be squeezed out of this violent clown show.
Won’t they be out of business if Cruz is elected? I guess we’ll know then who took Cruz out from the Manchurian Candidate rafters.
I hope Cleveland makes Chicago 1968 look like pre-Putin Crimea.
I hope the Cuyahoga River runs red.
Nate Silver wonders:
“Wonder if Trump’s recent behavior is intended to produce an implied threat that a contested convention could become violent.”
Stole that from Balloon Juice.
I love this sh*t:
https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/48ntj1/cmv_republicans_should_allow_guns_at_their/
I hope they do. And I hope they kill each other on the floor of the f*cking Quicken Loans Arena.
Maybe they can exchange bon mots between burst of automatic gunfire regarding whether private actors’ property rights Trump the unrestricted carry and use of firearms on private property, but by no means may guns be restricted around me on a public sidewalk, or in a bar, or at the Lincoln Monument, where I’m sure millions of confederate Republicans would love another shot at Abe.
I wonder who the Ohio National Guard allegiances will be with when they have to go in there? Will they shoot the Trumpsters, or will they aim their fire at the traditional Republicans.
It’s hard to say, but irresponsible not to speculate.
Maybe they’ll kill the right people this time around. Ya think?
But, I suspect it will only be unarmed hippie and black and Hispanic protesters who will be gunned down. Maybe the Cleveland cops will be deputized by the RNC to find out which protesters are enrolled in Obamacare and disappear them, which after all would save the Republican candidate the trouble of sending out their Obamacare expiration notices if elected.
Raise your hand with a First Amendment sign, BANG!, you’re dead. Raise your hand with a weapon in it? Oh, that’s fine.
Quicken? Aren’t they the tax people? Maybe there is still some irony to be squeezed out of this violent clown show.
Won’t they be out of business if Cruz is elected? I guess we’ll know then who took Cruz out from the Manchurian Candidate rafters.
I hope Cleveland makes Chicago 1968 look like pre-Putin Crimea.
I hope the Cuyahoga River runs red.
Nate Silver wonders:
“Wonder if Trump’s recent behavior is intended to produce an implied threat that a contested convention could become violent.”
Stole that from Balloon Juice.
I love this sh*t:
https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/48ntj1/cmv_republicans_should_allow_guns_at_their/
I hope they do. And I hope they kill each other on the floor of the f*cking Quicken Loans Arena.
Maybe they can exchange bon mots between burst of automatic gunfire regarding whether private actors’ property rights Trump the unrestricted carry and use of firearms on private property, but by no means may guns be restricted around me on a public sidewalk, or in a bar, or at the Lincoln Monument, where I’m sure millions of confederate Republicans would love another shot at Abe.
I wonder who the Ohio National Guard allegiances will be with when they have to go in there? Will they shoot the Trumpsters, or will they aim their fire at the traditional Republicans.
It’s hard to say, but irresponsible not to speculate.
Maybe they’ll kill the right people this time around. Ya think?
But, I suspect it will only be unarmed hippie and black and Hispanic protesters who will be gunned down. Maybe the Cleveland cops will be deputized by the RNC to find out which protesters are enrolled in Obamacare and disappear them, which after all would save the Republican candidate the trouble of sending out their Obamacare expiration notices if elected.
Raise your hand with a First Amendment sign, BANG!, you’re dead. Raise your hand with a weapon in it? Oh, that’s fine.
Quicken? Aren’t they the tax people? Maybe there is still some irony to be squeezed out of this violent clown show.
Won’t they be out of business if Cruz is elected? I guess we’ll know then who took Cruz out from the Manchurian Candidate rafters.
I hope Cleveland makes Chicago 1968 look like pre-Putin Crimea.
I hope the Cuyahoga River runs red.
Before ACA, and even now in some cases, I would take contracts as a W-2 rather than a 1099 contractor at least 6 months out of every 2 years. As a W-2 contractor I could buy insurance through the company, qualify for COBRA and know what insurance I would have, more or less, for two years. Once I had it at one company the next contract could be more lucrative because I could get 1099 rates.
It really isn’t gaming the system to wait to see if you need the COBRA, it is designed that way to encourage you to sign up for the new company insurance, and you can’t have both.
The biggest surprise in COBRA is you are signing up to stay on the employers plan, so when they change the plan in the middle of the 18 months you have to take what they come up with just like you work there. Or cancel.
All in all COBRA is a good thing.
Before ACA, and even now in some cases, I would take contracts as a W-2 rather than a 1099 contractor at least 6 months out of every 2 years. As a W-2 contractor I could buy insurance through the company, qualify for COBRA and know what insurance I would have, more or less, for two years. Once I had it at one company the next contract could be more lucrative because I could get 1099 rates.
It really isn’t gaming the system to wait to see if you need the COBRA, it is designed that way to encourage you to sign up for the new company insurance, and you can’t have both.
The biggest surprise in COBRA is you are signing up to stay on the employers plan, so when they change the plan in the middle of the 18 months you have to take what they come up with just like you work there. Or cancel.
All in all COBRA is a good thing.
Before ACA, and even now in some cases, I would take contracts as a W-2 rather than a 1099 contractor at least 6 months out of every 2 years. As a W-2 contractor I could buy insurance through the company, qualify for COBRA and know what insurance I would have, more or less, for two years. Once I had it at one company the next contract could be more lucrative because I could get 1099 rates.
It really isn’t gaming the system to wait to see if you need the COBRA, it is designed that way to encourage you to sign up for the new company insurance, and you can’t have both.
The biggest surprise in COBRA is you are signing up to stay on the employers plan, so when they change the plan in the middle of the 18 months you have to take what they come up with just like you work there. Or cancel.
All in all COBRA is a good thing.
I hope the Cuyahoga River runs red.
Please. As a former PA resident I would think you’d have more respect for local customs. The culturally correct hope to make the Cuyahoga red is to burn it.
I hope the Cuyahoga River runs red.
Please. As a former PA resident I would think you’d have more respect for local customs. The culturally correct hope to make the Cuyahoga red is to burn it.
I hope the Cuyahoga River runs red.
Please. As a former PA resident I would think you’d have more respect for local customs. The culturally correct hope to make the Cuyahoga red is to burn it.
The culturally correct hope to make the Cuyahoga red is to burn it.
It won’t burn anymore, that was an infrastructure project.
The culturally correct hope to make the Cuyahoga red is to burn it.
It won’t burn anymore, that was an infrastructure project.
The culturally correct hope to make the Cuyahoga red is to burn it.
It won’t burn anymore, that was an infrastructure project.
At the root of all of this, is the sadistic, quintessentially American attitude that anyone who doesn’t work doesn’t deserve insurance or medical care . . . .
This is why health insurance was tied to one’s employment originally.
Actually, no. (As so often, I’m not quite sure if you knew that, and just ignored it for the sake of the rant.)
Employment-based health care came about during WW II. The government (intrusively!) restricted wages. So employers needed some way to lure employees — and health insurance wasn’t wages and so wasn’t controlled. And then (in 1943), the IRS (more government intrusion) ruled that employer-based health care was tax free (i.e. not income subject to tax).
At the root of all of this, is the sadistic, quintessentially American attitude that anyone who doesn’t work doesn’t deserve insurance or medical care . . . .
This is why health insurance was tied to one’s employment originally.
Actually, no. (As so often, I’m not quite sure if you knew that, and just ignored it for the sake of the rant.)
Employment-based health care came about during WW II. The government (intrusively!) restricted wages. So employers needed some way to lure employees — and health insurance wasn’t wages and so wasn’t controlled. And then (in 1943), the IRS (more government intrusion) ruled that employer-based health care was tax free (i.e. not income subject to tax).
At the root of all of this, is the sadistic, quintessentially American attitude that anyone who doesn’t work doesn’t deserve insurance or medical care . . . .
This is why health insurance was tied to one’s employment originally.
Actually, no. (As so often, I’m not quite sure if you knew that, and just ignored it for the sake of the rant.)
Employment-based health care came about during WW II. The government (intrusively!) restricted wages. So employers needed some way to lure employees — and health insurance wasn’t wages and so wasn’t controlled. And then (in 1943), the IRS (more government intrusion) ruled that employer-based health care was tax free (i.e. not income subject to tax).
on man, The Gap is the worst. my wife had cancer many years ago, so she will always have a “pre-existing condition”. before the ACA, that pre-existing condition along with any gap in coverage could be used by future insurers as reason to deny her coverage. so we were constantly on and off COBRA and trying to time insurance coverage as we moved from job to job.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
on man, The Gap is the worst. my wife had cancer many years ago, so she will always have a “pre-existing condition”. before the ACA, that pre-existing condition along with any gap in coverage could be used by future insurers as reason to deny her coverage. so we were constantly on and off COBRA and trying to time insurance coverage as we moved from job to job.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
on man, The Gap is the worst. my wife had cancer many years ago, so she will always have a “pre-existing condition”. before the ACA, that pre-existing condition along with any gap in coverage could be used by future insurers as reason to deny her coverage. so we were constantly on and off COBRA and trying to time insurance coverage as we moved from job to job.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
Amen. You, me and several million others.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
Amen. You, me and several million others.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
Amen. You, me and several million others.
All in all COBRA is a good thing.
IMO COBRA is a great band-aid. I’m glad it’s there.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
It might be the best thing the ACA has done, overall.
All in all COBRA is a good thing.
IMO COBRA is a great band-aid. I’m glad it’s there.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
It might be the best thing the ACA has done, overall.
All in all COBRA is a good thing.
IMO COBRA is a great band-aid. I’m glad it’s there.
the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
It might be the best thing the ACA has done, overall.
Certainly getting rid of the PEC issues has had the biggest impact on those outside the poorest.
Sure, there were lots of folks in low-paying jobs who didn’t have work-based coverage. Or just didn’t have work. But when you look at people who are relatively well off — and vote — that was where the impact was. And is.
Certainly getting rid of the PEC issues has had the biggest impact on those outside the poorest.
Sure, there were lots of folks in low-paying jobs who didn’t have work-based coverage. Or just didn’t have work. But when you look at people who are relatively well off — and vote — that was where the impact was. And is.
Certainly getting rid of the PEC issues has had the biggest impact on those outside the poorest.
Sure, there were lots of folks in low-paying jobs who didn’t have work-based coverage. Or just didn’t have work. But when you look at people who are relatively well off — and vote — that was where the impact was. And is.
All of this is back story, offered for your reading pleasure, and to afford me an alternative to mumbling to myself while swilling Jack on ice in a dark dive somewhere.
Why do you need an alternative?
All of this is back story, offered for your reading pleasure, and to afford me an alternative to mumbling to myself while swilling Jack on ice in a dark dive somewhere.
Why do you need an alternative?
All of this is back story, offered for your reading pleasure, and to afford me an alternative to mumbling to myself while swilling Jack on ice in a dark dive somewhere.
Why do you need an alternative?
“All of this is back story, offered for your reading pleasure, and to afford me
an alternative tosomething else to do while mumbling to myselfwhileand swilling Jack on ice in a dark dive somewhere.That’s better.
“All of this is back story, offered for your reading pleasure, and to afford me
an alternative tosomething else to do while mumbling to myselfwhileand swilling Jack on ice in a dark dive somewhere.That’s better.
“All of this is back story, offered for your reading pleasure, and to afford me
an alternative tosomething else to do while mumbling to myselfwhileand swilling Jack on ice in a dark dive somewhere.That’s better.
The great darkness: W was President, my job at a well-known giant SW company was becoming steadily more depressing, and then intolerable, two family members were dying of cancer, and one day I could not take another day and quit my job.
I looked at the cost of COBRA and said “screw that” and went uninsured for eighteen months, until I got a new job. Luck was mostly with me.
The great darkness: W was President, my job at a well-known giant SW company was becoming steadily more depressing, and then intolerable, two family members were dying of cancer, and one day I could not take another day and quit my job.
I looked at the cost of COBRA and said “screw that” and went uninsured for eighteen months, until I got a new job. Luck was mostly with me.
The great darkness: W was President, my job at a well-known giant SW company was becoming steadily more depressing, and then intolerable, two family members were dying of cancer, and one day I could not take another day and quit my job.
I looked at the cost of COBRA and said “screw that” and went uninsured for eighteen months, until I got a new job. Luck was mostly with me.
That’s better.
LOL.
Luck was mostly with me.
I’m old now. I’ve cashed in all my “this is your lucky day!” tickets already.
That’s better.
LOL.
Luck was mostly with me.
I’m old now. I’ve cashed in all my “this is your lucky day!” tickets already.
That’s better.
LOL.
Luck was mostly with me.
I’m old now. I’ve cashed in all my “this is your lucky day!” tickets already.
“It won’t burn anymore, that was an infrastructure project.”
And a fairly successful one, I am given to understand. Darn that socialism.
I’m looking forward to 3 fingers of Pendleton tonight as I watch the primary results. My dark dives days came to an end some time ago…unless there is a good card game in progress.
“It won’t burn anymore, that was an infrastructure project.”
And a fairly successful one, I am given to understand. Darn that socialism.
I’m looking forward to 3 fingers of Pendleton tonight as I watch the primary results. My dark dives days came to an end some time ago…unless there is a good card game in progress.
“It won’t burn anymore, that was an infrastructure project.”
And a fairly successful one, I am given to understand. Darn that socialism.
I’m looking forward to 3 fingers of Pendleton tonight as I watch the primary results. My dark dives days came to an end some time ago…unless there is a good card game in progress.
Trump!
Trump!
Trump!
Marco Rubio truly believes in his heart that the winner of the GOP primary in Florida will win the GOP nomination for President.
Which maybe means Trump won’t get the nomination, given Rubio’s track record.
Marco Rubio truly believes in his heart that the winner of the GOP primary in Florida will win the GOP nomination for President.
Which maybe means Trump won’t get the nomination, given Rubio’s track record.
Marco Rubio truly believes in his heart that the winner of the GOP primary in Florida will win the GOP nomination for President.
Which maybe means Trump won’t get the nomination, given Rubio’s track record.
“Which maybe means Trump won’t get the nomination, given Rubio’s track record.”
I think we have to go with the “gold standard” of predictive ability.
What does Bill Kristol have to say about it?
“Which maybe means Trump won’t get the nomination, given Rubio’s track record.”
I think we have to go with the “gold standard” of predictive ability.
What does Bill Kristol have to say about it?
“Which maybe means Trump won’t get the nomination, given Rubio’s track record.”
I think we have to go with the “gold standard” of predictive ability.
What does Bill Kristol have to say about it?
And Rubio drops out, despite claiming earlier today that tomorrow it was “ON TO UTAH!” Whatever, what a fraud.
And Rubio drops out, despite claiming earlier today that tomorrow it was “ON TO UTAH!” Whatever, what a fraud.
And Rubio drops out, despite claiming earlier today that tomorrow it was “ON TO UTAH!” Whatever, what a fraud.
cleek: the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
Marty: Amen. You, me and several million others.
Ted Cruz: “I will repeal every word of Obamacare.”
’cause Ted is a real conservative with Christian(TM) values, you see.
–TP
cleek: the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
Marty: Amen. You, me and several million others.
Ted Cruz: “I will repeal every word of Obamacare.”
’cause Ted is a real conservative with Christian(TM) values, you see.
–TP
cleek: the best thing the ACA did, for us personally, is to get rid of the PEC issues.
Marty: Amen. You, me and several million others.
Ted Cruz: “I will repeal every word of Obamacare.”
’cause Ted is a real conservative with Christian(TM) values, you see.
–TP
“I will repeal every word of Obamacare.”
If your neighbor tells you, I’m going to kill you, what do you do?
If Hitler says, I’m going to murder the Jews, what do you do?
If Stalin says, I’m going to starve the Ukraine, and murder Ukrainians, what do we do?
See, there are three hundred million weapons in possession of the citizenry in this country, roughly counting, and a guy stands at a microphone and pledges to murder 15 million Americans, some of them in our families, some of them our neighbors, all of them fellow Americans, some of them on this board, and nothing f*cking happens.
The gun ranges are silent. Flies land on the untouched AK-47s at the gun depot down the street. The Malheur fills up with sh*theads. Camo rots in the closet.
All as a guy promises to murder. ISIS should be so bulletproof.
So what good are the weapons if they don’t stop a mass-murderer in his tracks.
What exactly are you going to use these weapons for if not to interdict that kind of murderous tyranny?
I mean, we don’t have big stereos any longer we need to protect from theft. What, Trayvon gonna get ya?
Or are your guns just jack-off devices? Just a Constitutional fetish?
I mean, why not confiscate the damned things, if you’re not going to f*cking use them for what they were intended?
To protect.
“I will repeal every word of Obamacare.”
If your neighbor tells you, I’m going to kill you, what do you do?
If Hitler says, I’m going to murder the Jews, what do you do?
If Stalin says, I’m going to starve the Ukraine, and murder Ukrainians, what do we do?
See, there are three hundred million weapons in possession of the citizenry in this country, roughly counting, and a guy stands at a microphone and pledges to murder 15 million Americans, some of them in our families, some of them our neighbors, all of them fellow Americans, some of them on this board, and nothing f*cking happens.
The gun ranges are silent. Flies land on the untouched AK-47s at the gun depot down the street. The Malheur fills up with sh*theads. Camo rots in the closet.
All as a guy promises to murder. ISIS should be so bulletproof.
So what good are the weapons if they don’t stop a mass-murderer in his tracks.
What exactly are you going to use these weapons for if not to interdict that kind of murderous tyranny?
I mean, we don’t have big stereos any longer we need to protect from theft. What, Trayvon gonna get ya?
Or are your guns just jack-off devices? Just a Constitutional fetish?
I mean, why not confiscate the damned things, if you’re not going to f*cking use them for what they were intended?
To protect.
“I will repeal every word of Obamacare.”
If your neighbor tells you, I’m going to kill you, what do you do?
If Hitler says, I’m going to murder the Jews, what do you do?
If Stalin says, I’m going to starve the Ukraine, and murder Ukrainians, what do we do?
See, there are three hundred million weapons in possession of the citizenry in this country, roughly counting, and a guy stands at a microphone and pledges to murder 15 million Americans, some of them in our families, some of them our neighbors, all of them fellow Americans, some of them on this board, and nothing f*cking happens.
The gun ranges are silent. Flies land on the untouched AK-47s at the gun depot down the street. The Malheur fills up with sh*theads. Camo rots in the closet.
All as a guy promises to murder. ISIS should be so bulletproof.
So what good are the weapons if they don’t stop a mass-murderer in his tracks.
What exactly are you going to use these weapons for if not to interdict that kind of murderous tyranny?
I mean, we don’t have big stereos any longer we need to protect from theft. What, Trayvon gonna get ya?
Or are your guns just jack-off devices? Just a Constitutional fetish?
I mean, why not confiscate the damned things, if you’re not going to f*cking use them for what they were intended?
To protect.
Himmler might … might … accept the nomination if Hitler and Goebbels seem distasteful come convention-time:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-wont-rule-out-gop-nomination
Himmler might … might … accept the nomination if Hitler and Goebbels seem distasteful come convention-time:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-wont-rule-out-gop-nomination
Himmler might … might … accept the nomination if Hitler and Goebbels seem distasteful come convention-time:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-wont-rule-out-gop-nomination
Also sprach Trump:
Houston, we have a problem.
Also sprach Trump:
Houston, we have a problem.
Also sprach Trump:
Houston, we have a problem.
I was just going to post that.
Martin Luther Trump, he ain’t. Manotma Gandhi.
If Obama has any guts and cred, he will have Trump arrested on federal charges of inciting riots and domestic terrorism, by noon today.
And then if Trump’s thugs want it, declare martial law.
And I hope they want it.
Remember, as long as Trump personally doesn’t shoot anyone in the street, nearly the entire Republican establishment has committed to supporting his candidacy.
As for Houston, the city, it will be Republicans killing Republicans in the streets.
That will keep them preoccupied for a short time until the Democrat wins the Presidency, and then they will come after us.
The sizable Democratic and reasonable conservative population in Houston maybe ought to stay indoors during the proceedings.
If Clinton beats Trump or Cruz, the latter two’s followers will move from rioting to genocide.
And Erick Erickson et al, who are trying to get a third party candidacy off the ground, will join in the violence against their enemies … us.
After all, one of the items about Trump that sticks in Erickson’s craw is that the former has made a few moderate noises, like a unintelligible cave troll might, about Medicare, Social Security and the birth control/women’s health efforts of Planned Parenthood.
Leaving aside Trump for a sec, Cruz and Erickson’s are murderers of the first water.
That they want to observe the niceties of an election before they start killing only makes them seem the anti-Trump.
Here are some impressions of the participants in Trump’s rallies by Dana Milbank and others:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/where-did-they-get-these-ideas-part-xxv.html
I love the “looks of ecstasy, some visibly trembling” observed among the white bohunks hanging on every one of Trump’s threats.
These are people getting ready to kill. All of them are armed, as are Cruz and Erickson’s cadres.
Is it becoming clear why?
At this point, America would be lucky if the lot of them turned out to a suicide cult, like the Jim Jones zombies.
I was just going to post that.
Martin Luther Trump, he ain’t. Manotma Gandhi.
If Obama has any guts and cred, he will have Trump arrested on federal charges of inciting riots and domestic terrorism, by noon today.
And then if Trump’s thugs want it, declare martial law.
And I hope they want it.
Remember, as long as Trump personally doesn’t shoot anyone in the street, nearly the entire Republican establishment has committed to supporting his candidacy.
As for Houston, the city, it will be Republicans killing Republicans in the streets.
That will keep them preoccupied for a short time until the Democrat wins the Presidency, and then they will come after us.
The sizable Democratic and reasonable conservative population in Houston maybe ought to stay indoors during the proceedings.
If Clinton beats Trump or Cruz, the latter two’s followers will move from rioting to genocide.
And Erick Erickson et al, who are trying to get a third party candidacy off the ground, will join in the violence against their enemies … us.
After all, one of the items about Trump that sticks in Erickson’s craw is that the former has made a few moderate noises, like a unintelligible cave troll might, about Medicare, Social Security and the birth control/women’s health efforts of Planned Parenthood.
Leaving aside Trump for a sec, Cruz and Erickson’s are murderers of the first water.
That they want to observe the niceties of an election before they start killing only makes them seem the anti-Trump.
Here are some impressions of the participants in Trump’s rallies by Dana Milbank and others:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/where-did-they-get-these-ideas-part-xxv.html
I love the “looks of ecstasy, some visibly trembling” observed among the white bohunks hanging on every one of Trump’s threats.
These are people getting ready to kill. All of them are armed, as are Cruz and Erickson’s cadres.
Is it becoming clear why?
At this point, America would be lucky if the lot of them turned out to a suicide cult, like the Jim Jones zombies.
I was just going to post that.
Martin Luther Trump, he ain’t. Manotma Gandhi.
If Obama has any guts and cred, he will have Trump arrested on federal charges of inciting riots and domestic terrorism, by noon today.
And then if Trump’s thugs want it, declare martial law.
And I hope they want it.
Remember, as long as Trump personally doesn’t shoot anyone in the street, nearly the entire Republican establishment has committed to supporting his candidacy.
As for Houston, the city, it will be Republicans killing Republicans in the streets.
That will keep them preoccupied for a short time until the Democrat wins the Presidency, and then they will come after us.
The sizable Democratic and reasonable conservative population in Houston maybe ought to stay indoors during the proceedings.
If Clinton beats Trump or Cruz, the latter two’s followers will move from rioting to genocide.
And Erick Erickson et al, who are trying to get a third party candidacy off the ground, will join in the violence against their enemies … us.
After all, one of the items about Trump that sticks in Erickson’s craw is that the former has made a few moderate noises, like a unintelligible cave troll might, about Medicare, Social Security and the birth control/women’s health efforts of Planned Parenthood.
Leaving aside Trump for a sec, Cruz and Erickson’s are murderers of the first water.
That they want to observe the niceties of an election before they start killing only makes them seem the anti-Trump.
Here are some impressions of the participants in Trump’s rallies by Dana Milbank and others:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/where-did-they-get-these-ideas-part-xxv.html
I love the “looks of ecstasy, some visibly trembling” observed among the white bohunks hanging on every one of Trump’s threats.
These are people getting ready to kill. All of them are armed, as are Cruz and Erickson’s cadres.
Is it becoming clear why?
At this point, America would be lucky if the lot of them turned out to a suicide cult, like the Jim Jones zombies.
Huckabee on the cancelled Trump rally in Chicago (as posted on Facebook):
Huckabee may be committing a felony assault on several figures of speech here, most notably that perennial favorite, ‘analogy’.
As well as, by dragging the Beatles into it, walking on the fighting side of the Count.
But he’s just one of many examples of folks rallying around Trump in recent days, as he gets closer and closer to being the (R) nominee.
Huckabee’s daughter was recently hired as a senior advisor to the Trump campaign, so I guess there’s that, too.
Huckabee on the cancelled Trump rally in Chicago (as posted on Facebook):
Huckabee may be committing a felony assault on several figures of speech here, most notably that perennial favorite, ‘analogy’.
As well as, by dragging the Beatles into it, walking on the fighting side of the Count.
But he’s just one of many examples of folks rallying around Trump in recent days, as he gets closer and closer to being the (R) nominee.
Huckabee’s daughter was recently hired as a senior advisor to the Trump campaign, so I guess there’s that, too.
Huckabee on the cancelled Trump rally in Chicago (as posted on Facebook):
Huckabee may be committing a felony assault on several figures of speech here, most notably that perennial favorite, ‘analogy’.
As well as, by dragging the Beatles into it, walking on the fighting side of the Count.
But he’s just one of many examples of folks rallying around Trump in recent days, as he gets closer and closer to being the (R) nominee.
Huckabee’s daughter was recently hired as a senior advisor to the Trump campaign, so I guess there’s that, too.
It would be interesting to find out Huckabee’s views on the influence of Nugent’s “Cat Scratch Fever” on the mass murders of school children.
Obama nominates Garland.
McConnell, Hatch, and Ryan say Garland is a dead white guy walking.
They’re holding out for this hopeless romantic after the election, someone who agrees with them and who the American people can get behind, because you certainly don’t want this Republican Judge getting behind YOU:
http://juanitajean.com/hoochy-east-texas-style/
It would be interesting to find out Huckabee’s views on the influence of Nugent’s “Cat Scratch Fever” on the mass murders of school children.
Obama nominates Garland.
McConnell, Hatch, and Ryan say Garland is a dead white guy walking.
They’re holding out for this hopeless romantic after the election, someone who agrees with them and who the American people can get behind, because you certainly don’t want this Republican Judge getting behind YOU:
http://juanitajean.com/hoochy-east-texas-style/
It would be interesting to find out Huckabee’s views on the influence of Nugent’s “Cat Scratch Fever” on the mass murders of school children.
Obama nominates Garland.
McConnell, Hatch, and Ryan say Garland is a dead white guy walking.
They’re holding out for this hopeless romantic after the election, someone who agrees with them and who the American people can get behind, because you certainly don’t want this Republican Judge getting behind YOU:
http://juanitajean.com/hoochy-east-texas-style/
here’s Huckabee on BLM:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/2015/9/the-appalling-recklessness-of-the-black-lives-matter-movement-and-the-democrat-party
here’s Huckabee on BLM:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/2015/9/the-appalling-recklessness-of-the-black-lives-matter-movement-and-the-democrat-party
here’s Huckabee on BLM:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/2015/9/the-appalling-recklessness-of-the-black-lives-matter-movement-and-the-democrat-party
then you shouldn’t fall into the trap of blaming one person’s actions on another person’s words.
In the end, the blame is quite shared in the sense that both sides have started to talk about violence as an undeniable, if not quite acceptable, response to certain outcomes.
But if we want to talk analogies, lets talk about how the riots in Ferguson were the result of a bunch of things that made them understandable, if not quite acceptable.
Despite the Counts edge of acceptability rants about Republican leaders and Trump being Hitler, the reality is that we are approaching a day of accountability for the fanning of flames on all sides.
Trump is no more responsible for that than Al Sharpton. The flames of anger at the other are not stoked only by old, white, conservative men. They are the centerpiece of all of our political discourse. Each disagreement being portrayed as the most hateful interpretation on both sides.
The alternatives we are now facing are the product of that marketing. The real problem is that we have created a society where talking about others in the extreme way is ok. People don’t disagree on immigration, they hate the rule of law or they are racists. People don’t disagree on abortion, they hate women or they hate unborn babies. People don’t disagree on welfare, they hate black people or they hate black people. People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are murderers or they are thieves. Whoever wins is whoever can make the other side look more evil.
That may well end in bloodshed. In one place, then the reality of all this BS will suddenly become clear. People don’t want their sons and daughters sent off to war, how many do you think will die in a civil war before someone says this is stupid?
then you shouldn’t fall into the trap of blaming one person’s actions on another person’s words.
In the end, the blame is quite shared in the sense that both sides have started to talk about violence as an undeniable, if not quite acceptable, response to certain outcomes.
But if we want to talk analogies, lets talk about how the riots in Ferguson were the result of a bunch of things that made them understandable, if not quite acceptable.
Despite the Counts edge of acceptability rants about Republican leaders and Trump being Hitler, the reality is that we are approaching a day of accountability for the fanning of flames on all sides.
Trump is no more responsible for that than Al Sharpton. The flames of anger at the other are not stoked only by old, white, conservative men. They are the centerpiece of all of our political discourse. Each disagreement being portrayed as the most hateful interpretation on both sides.
The alternatives we are now facing are the product of that marketing. The real problem is that we have created a society where talking about others in the extreme way is ok. People don’t disagree on immigration, they hate the rule of law or they are racists. People don’t disagree on abortion, they hate women or they hate unborn babies. People don’t disagree on welfare, they hate black people or they hate black people. People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are murderers or they are thieves. Whoever wins is whoever can make the other side look more evil.
That may well end in bloodshed. In one place, then the reality of all this BS will suddenly become clear. People don’t want their sons and daughters sent off to war, how many do you think will die in a civil war before someone says this is stupid?
then you shouldn’t fall into the trap of blaming one person’s actions on another person’s words.
In the end, the blame is quite shared in the sense that both sides have started to talk about violence as an undeniable, if not quite acceptable, response to certain outcomes.
But if we want to talk analogies, lets talk about how the riots in Ferguson were the result of a bunch of things that made them understandable, if not quite acceptable.
Despite the Counts edge of acceptability rants about Republican leaders and Trump being Hitler, the reality is that we are approaching a day of accountability for the fanning of flames on all sides.
Trump is no more responsible for that than Al Sharpton. The flames of anger at the other are not stoked only by old, white, conservative men. They are the centerpiece of all of our political discourse. Each disagreement being portrayed as the most hateful interpretation on both sides.
The alternatives we are now facing are the product of that marketing. The real problem is that we have created a society where talking about others in the extreme way is ok. People don’t disagree on immigration, they hate the rule of law or they are racists. People don’t disagree on abortion, they hate women or they hate unborn babies. People don’t disagree on welfare, they hate black people or they hate black people. People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are murderers or they are thieves. Whoever wins is whoever can make the other side look more evil.
That may well end in bloodshed. In one place, then the reality of all this BS will suddenly become clear. People don’t want their sons and daughters sent off to war, how many do you think will die in a civil war before someone says this is stupid?
“When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and turn and I go for a ride
‘Til I get to the bottom and see you again
Yeah, yeah, yeah”
Have to admit Paul’s lyrics describe precisely Huckabee’s grifting political career in which he slides right to the bottom every election cycle but finds another grift and takes it from the top to give us yet another profitable ride for himself.
Like Sir Walter Raleigh, Huckabee is such a stupid get.
“When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and turn and I go for a ride
‘Til I get to the bottom and see you again
Yeah, yeah, yeah”
Have to admit Paul’s lyrics describe precisely Huckabee’s grifting political career in which he slides right to the bottom every election cycle but finds another grift and takes it from the top to give us yet another profitable ride for himself.
Like Sir Walter Raleigh, Huckabee is such a stupid get.
“When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and turn and I go for a ride
‘Til I get to the bottom and see you again
Yeah, yeah, yeah”
Have to admit Paul’s lyrics describe precisely Huckabee’s grifting political career in which he slides right to the bottom every election cycle but finds another grift and takes it from the top to give us yet another profitable ride for himself.
Like Sir Walter Raleigh, Huckabee is such a stupid get.
i would’ve posted that quote on Huckster’s FB page, but i don’t actually want his legions of asshole supporters to know my name.
i would’ve posted that quote on Huckster’s FB page, but i don’t actually want his legions of asshole supporters to know my name.
i would’ve posted that quote on Huckster’s FB page, but i don’t actually want his legions of asshole supporters to know my name.
both sides have started to talk about violence as an undeniable, if not quite acceptable, response to certain outcomes.
I’m still looking for where Clinton or Sanders have said that there will be riots if they aren’t nominated.
I’m still looking for where Cruz or Kasich have said as much, for that matter.
It ain’t a side thing, it’s a Trump thing. Huckabee’s just hitching his wagon to what he thinks is a star.
both sides have started to talk about violence as an undeniable, if not quite acceptable, response to certain outcomes.
I’m still looking for where Clinton or Sanders have said that there will be riots if they aren’t nominated.
I’m still looking for where Cruz or Kasich have said as much, for that matter.
It ain’t a side thing, it’s a Trump thing. Huckabee’s just hitching his wagon to what he thinks is a star.
both sides have started to talk about violence as an undeniable, if not quite acceptable, response to certain outcomes.
I’m still looking for where Clinton or Sanders have said that there will be riots if they aren’t nominated.
I’m still looking for where Cruz or Kasich have said as much, for that matter.
It ain’t a side thing, it’s a Trump thing. Huckabee’s just hitching his wagon to what he thinks is a star.
Pretty loose analogy, Marty. Al Sharpton has 0% chance of being nominated for President.
Sure, the Count fans flames around here but who cares what we think?
Pretty loose analogy, Marty. Al Sharpton has 0% chance of being nominated for President.
Sure, the Count fans flames around here but who cares what we think?
Pretty loose analogy, Marty. Al Sharpton has 0% chance of being nominated for President.
Sure, the Count fans flames around here but who cares what we think?
the only difference between Trump and Sharpton is Trump is running for President this year. You can focus on the obvious differences, but the Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades. Trump will come out and say he doesn’t condone violence in the streets, he was just observing what could happen, and then he will sound like everyone else. All of which, of course, misses the point that both sides use hate speech regularly.
the only difference between Trump and Sharpton is Trump is running for President this year. You can focus on the obvious differences, but the Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades. Trump will come out and say he doesn’t condone violence in the streets, he was just observing what could happen, and then he will sound like everyone else. All of which, of course, misses the point that both sides use hate speech regularly.
the only difference between Trump and Sharpton is Trump is running for President this year. You can focus on the obvious differences, but the Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades. Trump will come out and say he doesn’t condone violence in the streets, he was just observing what could happen, and then he will sound like everyone else. All of which, of course, misses the point that both sides use hate speech regularly.
Eh? “… talking about violence in the streets…”? To whom and to what are you referring?
I hang out around here rather than elsewhere because mostly we don’t have hate speech.
I am kind of tired of hearing “both sides do it.” This is a false equivalence. I wrote once before, eventually a difference in degree becomes a difference in kind. We have passed that point.
Eh? “… talking about violence in the streets…”? To whom and to what are you referring?
I hang out around here rather than elsewhere because mostly we don’t have hate speech.
I am kind of tired of hearing “both sides do it.” This is a false equivalence. I wrote once before, eventually a difference in degree becomes a difference in kind. We have passed that point.
Eh? “… talking about violence in the streets…”? To whom and to what are you referring?
I hang out around here rather than elsewhere because mostly we don’t have hate speech.
I am kind of tired of hearing “both sides do it.” This is a false equivalence. I wrote once before, eventually a difference in degree becomes a difference in kind. We have passed that point.
the only difference between Trump and Sharpton is Trump is running for President this year.
a trivial, insignificant detail.
You can focus on the obvious differences, but the Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades.
I think the point you are actually trying to make is not-unreasonable, but you’re not advancing it with this claim.
(D) politicians don’t use language equivalent to Trump’s.
(R) politicians don’t either, by and large, with the notable exception of talk about “2nd Amendment solutions”. A significant exception, I’ll grant you. But in general, they don’t go on about punching people in the face, or paying for the legal bills of folks who assault other folks.
Trump is kind of unique.
That may well end in bloodshed
No sh*t.
It’s not something to encourage, or look forward to.
the only difference between Trump and Sharpton is Trump is running for President this year.
a trivial, insignificant detail.
You can focus on the obvious differences, but the Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades.
I think the point you are actually trying to make is not-unreasonable, but you’re not advancing it with this claim.
(D) politicians don’t use language equivalent to Trump’s.
(R) politicians don’t either, by and large, with the notable exception of talk about “2nd Amendment solutions”. A significant exception, I’ll grant you. But in general, they don’t go on about punching people in the face, or paying for the legal bills of folks who assault other folks.
Trump is kind of unique.
That may well end in bloodshed
No sh*t.
It’s not something to encourage, or look forward to.
the only difference between Trump and Sharpton is Trump is running for President this year.
a trivial, insignificant detail.
You can focus on the obvious differences, but the Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades.
I think the point you are actually trying to make is not-unreasonable, but you’re not advancing it with this claim.
(D) politicians don’t use language equivalent to Trump’s.
(R) politicians don’t either, by and large, with the notable exception of talk about “2nd Amendment solutions”. A significant exception, I’ll grant you. But in general, they don’t go on about punching people in the face, or paying for the legal bills of folks who assault other folks.
Trump is kind of unique.
That may well end in bloodshed
No sh*t.
It’s not something to encourage, or look forward to.
no we haven’t, there were weeks of justification of the riots in Missouri and elsewhere by the left wing pundits and politicians, and that was following decades of those justifications. That follows months of threats of riots if the courts didn’t come back with the right verdicts. If there is a difference in kind it is that the left supports actual violence in the streets.
no we haven’t, there were weeks of justification of the riots in Missouri and elsewhere by the left wing pundits and politicians, and that was following decades of those justifications. That follows months of threats of riots if the courts didn’t come back with the right verdicts. If there is a difference in kind it is that the left supports actual violence in the streets.
no we haven’t, there were weeks of justification of the riots in Missouri and elsewhere by the left wing pundits and politicians, and that was following decades of those justifications. That follows months of threats of riots if the courts didn’t come back with the right verdicts. If there is a difference in kind it is that the left supports actual violence in the streets.
Russell, there are two points in there: one is recognition of the deterioration in comity that leads to the current environment, of which Trump is a product. The second is that violence, particularly the threat of it, is an ongoing tool of the left to get its way, so I think there is some pearl clutching going on here.
Russell, there are two points in there: one is recognition of the deterioration in comity that leads to the current environment, of which Trump is a product. The second is that violence, particularly the threat of it, is an ongoing tool of the left to get its way, so I think there is some pearl clutching going on here.
Russell, there are two points in there: one is recognition of the deterioration in comity that leads to the current environment, of which Trump is a product. The second is that violence, particularly the threat of it, is an ongoing tool of the left to get its way, so I think there is some pearl clutching going on here.
violence, particularly the threat of it, is an ongoing tool of the left to get its way
Not since the Weathermen blew themselves up, as far as I can tell.
There’s a fairly large difference between understanding the reasons for public violence, and encouraging and abetting it.
I can understand why some of Trump’s people are pissed off. I’m pissed off about some of the same things. What I don’t accept is Trump egging them on.
If you’re saying you buy the whole “Trump’s not condoning, he’s just observing” thing, I frankly don’t believe you.
violence, particularly the threat of it, is an ongoing tool of the left to get its way
Not since the Weathermen blew themselves up, as far as I can tell.
There’s a fairly large difference between understanding the reasons for public violence, and encouraging and abetting it.
I can understand why some of Trump’s people are pissed off. I’m pissed off about some of the same things. What I don’t accept is Trump egging them on.
If you’re saying you buy the whole “Trump’s not condoning, he’s just observing” thing, I frankly don’t believe you.
violence, particularly the threat of it, is an ongoing tool of the left to get its way
Not since the Weathermen blew themselves up, as far as I can tell.
There’s a fairly large difference between understanding the reasons for public violence, and encouraging and abetting it.
I can understand why some of Trump’s people are pissed off. I’m pissed off about some of the same things. What I don’t accept is Trump egging them on.
If you’re saying you buy the whole “Trump’s not condoning, he’s just observing” thing, I frankly don’t believe you.
“People don’t disagree on welfare, they hate black people or they hate black people.”
I know you mistyped, but it probably seems like that to most black people.
We have two choices — either blame the black people or blame the black people.
Nothing new there.
In fact, during the Tea Party revolt against Obamacare in 2009/2010 (where armed conservatives showed up; no armed liberals showed up to counter) wherein Obama was depicted as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose by white Socialist Medicare recipients, instead of this: “People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are murderers or they are thieves.” could have been stated as “People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are black people or they are black people,” and gotten to the nub of the matter.
As for Sharpton, I recall declaring him an anti-Semite on these pages years ago. F8ck him and f*ck his media gig and f*ck those who gave it to him.
Sharpton is going to love him some Trump.
As for Ferguson, despite the depredations by the local police force over the years on the local population, I agree in this once instance with the grand jury report that the police officer had little choice but to use force, if we must arm our police, on the guy who attacked him, who by the way, was a bully on the loose.
But how many other similar incidences of unarmed blacks being gunned down without anywhere near the provocation do we have at our disposal to riot over?
Rahm Emanuel could use a riot or two to chasten his arrogance.
“How many do you think will die in a civil war before someone says this is stupid?”
Fair question.
At this point in time, one, maybe two unarmed liberals before we give up.
I’d say we’ve have to go through several thousand armed hardcore conservative cadres, who are now whipped into a frenzy, before we got to a sensible one who suddenly realizes his COBRA has expired and the trip to the triage tent might be a little more than his pocketbook can handle, and puts his hands up, not to mention that violence on his record might make him ineligible for Medicaid.
Mt thesis is simply this. The conservative movement, in all of its incarnations, has reached the end of its rhetorical tether. There is only one place to go if they fail this time and that … is violence.
I’m not in favor of it.
I’m predicting it.
“People don’t disagree on welfare, they hate black people or they hate black people.”
I know you mistyped, but it probably seems like that to most black people.
We have two choices — either blame the black people or blame the black people.
Nothing new there.
In fact, during the Tea Party revolt against Obamacare in 2009/2010 (where armed conservatives showed up; no armed liberals showed up to counter) wherein Obama was depicted as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose by white Socialist Medicare recipients, instead of this: “People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are murderers or they are thieves.” could have been stated as “People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are black people or they are black people,” and gotten to the nub of the matter.
As for Sharpton, I recall declaring him an anti-Semite on these pages years ago. F8ck him and f*ck his media gig and f*ck those who gave it to him.
Sharpton is going to love him some Trump.
As for Ferguson, despite the depredations by the local police force over the years on the local population, I agree in this once instance with the grand jury report that the police officer had little choice but to use force, if we must arm our police, on the guy who attacked him, who by the way, was a bully on the loose.
But how many other similar incidences of unarmed blacks being gunned down without anywhere near the provocation do we have at our disposal to riot over?
Rahm Emanuel could use a riot or two to chasten his arrogance.
“How many do you think will die in a civil war before someone says this is stupid?”
Fair question.
At this point in time, one, maybe two unarmed liberals before we give up.
I’d say we’ve have to go through several thousand armed hardcore conservative cadres, who are now whipped into a frenzy, before we got to a sensible one who suddenly realizes his COBRA has expired and the trip to the triage tent might be a little more than his pocketbook can handle, and puts his hands up, not to mention that violence on his record might make him ineligible for Medicaid.
Mt thesis is simply this. The conservative movement, in all of its incarnations, has reached the end of its rhetorical tether. There is only one place to go if they fail this time and that … is violence.
I’m not in favor of it.
I’m predicting it.
“People don’t disagree on welfare, they hate black people or they hate black people.”
I know you mistyped, but it probably seems like that to most black people.
We have two choices — either blame the black people or blame the black people.
Nothing new there.
In fact, during the Tea Party revolt against Obamacare in 2009/2010 (where armed conservatives showed up; no armed liberals showed up to counter) wherein Obama was depicted as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose by white Socialist Medicare recipients, instead of this: “People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are murderers or they are thieves.” could have been stated as “People don’t disagree on the ACA, they are black people or they are black people,” and gotten to the nub of the matter.
As for Sharpton, I recall declaring him an anti-Semite on these pages years ago. F8ck him and f*ck his media gig and f*ck those who gave it to him.
Sharpton is going to love him some Trump.
As for Ferguson, despite the depredations by the local police force over the years on the local population, I agree in this once instance with the grand jury report that the police officer had little choice but to use force, if we must arm our police, on the guy who attacked him, who by the way, was a bully on the loose.
But how many other similar incidences of unarmed blacks being gunned down without anywhere near the provocation do we have at our disposal to riot over?
Rahm Emanuel could use a riot or two to chasten his arrogance.
“How many do you think will die in a civil war before someone says this is stupid?”
Fair question.
At this point in time, one, maybe two unarmed liberals before we give up.
I’d say we’ve have to go through several thousand armed hardcore conservative cadres, who are now whipped into a frenzy, before we got to a sensible one who suddenly realizes his COBRA has expired and the trip to the triage tent might be a little more than his pocketbook can handle, and puts his hands up, not to mention that violence on his record might make him ineligible for Medicaid.
Mt thesis is simply this. The conservative movement, in all of its incarnations, has reached the end of its rhetorical tether. There is only one place to go if they fail this time and that … is violence.
I’m not in favor of it.
I’m predicting it.
“I know you mistyped, but it probably seems like that to most black people”
I did not mistype it.
“I know you mistyped, but it probably seems like that to most black people”
I did not mistype it.
“I know you mistyped, but it probably seems like that to most black people”
I did not mistype it.
no we haven’t, there were weeks of justification of the riots in Missouri and elsewhere
can you recall why people were rioting ?
no we haven’t, there were weeks of justification of the riots in Missouri and elsewhere
can you recall why people were rioting ?
no we haven’t, there were weeks of justification of the riots in Missouri and elsewhere
can you recall why people were rioting ?
“If you’re saying you buy the whole “Trump’s not condoning, he’s just observing” thing, I frankly don’t believe you.”
No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case, I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office. I believe it is a felony to conspire to cause a riot.
“If you’re saying you buy the whole “Trump’s not condoning, he’s just observing” thing, I frankly don’t believe you.”
No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case, I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office. I believe it is a felony to conspire to cause a riot.
“If you’re saying you buy the whole “Trump’s not condoning, he’s just observing” thing, I frankly don’t believe you.”
No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case, I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office. I believe it is a felony to conspire to cause a riot.
No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case,
WTH. he offered to pay their legal fees.
commit a crime? no worries! i’ll pick up the tab!
No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case,
WTH. he offered to pay their legal fees.
commit a crime? no worries! i’ll pick up the tab!
No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case,
WTH. he offered to pay their legal fees.
commit a crime? no worries! i’ll pick up the tab!
At this point in time, one, maybe two unarmed liberals before we give up.
FWIW, we passed that number a while back.
Still haven’t given up.
At this point in time, one, maybe two unarmed liberals before we give up.
FWIW, we passed that number a while back.
Still haven’t given up.
At this point in time, one, maybe two unarmed liberals before we give up.
FWIW, we passed that number a while back.
Still haven’t given up.
If King George had better riot control, he’d have avoided the Revolution.
If Lincoln had better riot control, he’d have staunched the Civil War at Fort Sumter.
I grew up in an upper middle class environment. If many of my contemporaries, including a brother, hadn’t been treated with kid gloves by the local police at the behest of their influential parents and had been treated more like the poor of all races in this country are for similar crimes by having the book thrown at them and then dunned for ridiculous fees for years in the probation system, we’d have had riots too.
If King George had better riot control, he’d have avoided the Revolution.
If Lincoln had better riot control, he’d have staunched the Civil War at Fort Sumter.
I grew up in an upper middle class environment. If many of my contemporaries, including a brother, hadn’t been treated with kid gloves by the local police at the behest of their influential parents and had been treated more like the poor of all races in this country are for similar crimes by having the book thrown at them and then dunned for ridiculous fees for years in the probation system, we’d have had riots too.
If King George had better riot control, he’d have avoided the Revolution.
If Lincoln had better riot control, he’d have staunched the Civil War at Fort Sumter.
I grew up in an upper middle class environment. If many of my contemporaries, including a brother, hadn’t been treated with kid gloves by the local police at the behest of their influential parents and had been treated more like the poor of all races in this country are for similar crimes by having the book thrown at them and then dunned for ridiculous fees for years in the probation system, we’d have had riots too.
Mitt wins…
https://medium.com/soapbox-dc/how-paul-ryan-will-pick-our-next-president-and-his-name-shall-be-mitt-58233ea612fc#.19m93qvei
Mitt wins…
https://medium.com/soapbox-dc/how-paul-ryan-will-pick-our-next-president-and-his-name-shall-be-mitt-58233ea612fc#.19m93qvei
Mitt wins…
https://medium.com/soapbox-dc/how-paul-ryan-will-pick-our-next-president-and-his-name-shall-be-mitt-58233ea612fc#.19m93qvei
cleek,
I’m talking about the statement on riots if he didn’t get the nomination. Did you read my whole sentence? It is a fairly specific threat, not egging anyone on.
cleek,
I’m talking about the statement on riots if he didn’t get the nomination. Did you read my whole sentence? It is a fairly specific threat, not egging anyone on.
cleek,
I’m talking about the statement on riots if he didn’t get the nomination. Did you read my whole sentence? It is a fairly specific threat, not egging anyone on.
I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office.
We agree.
I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office.
We agree.
I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office.
We agree.
There’s a fairly large difference between understanding the reasons for public violence, and encouraging and abetting it.
I’d say that both can be pretty dispicible. (Although one or the other might be more so, depending on the size of the violence involved.)
That said, there are still significant differences here.
One side could be said to be condoning violence after the fact, by saying that it is understandable. The other not only condones it, but supports it by offering to pay the legal expenses of those involved.
One side says violence in the future will be understandable, if things don’t change in the way that it thinks they should. The other calls for violence in the future, if things do not go in the way they want. You can try and argue that Trump isn’t (quite) explicitly calling for violence. But the sum of his remarks make that a difficult case to make convincingly.
There’s a fairly large difference between understanding the reasons for public violence, and encouraging and abetting it.
I’d say that both can be pretty dispicible. (Although one or the other might be more so, depending on the size of the violence involved.)
That said, there are still significant differences here.
One side could be said to be condoning violence after the fact, by saying that it is understandable. The other not only condones it, but supports it by offering to pay the legal expenses of those involved.
One side says violence in the future will be understandable, if things don’t change in the way that it thinks they should. The other calls for violence in the future, if things do not go in the way they want. You can try and argue that Trump isn’t (quite) explicitly calling for violence. But the sum of his remarks make that a difficult case to make convincingly.
There’s a fairly large difference between understanding the reasons for public violence, and encouraging and abetting it.
I’d say that both can be pretty dispicible. (Although one or the other might be more so, depending on the size of the violence involved.)
That said, there are still significant differences here.
One side could be said to be condoning violence after the fact, by saying that it is understandable. The other not only condones it, but supports it by offering to pay the legal expenses of those involved.
One side says violence in the future will be understandable, if things don’t change in the way that it thinks they should. The other calls for violence in the future, if things do not go in the way they want. You can try and argue that Trump isn’t (quite) explicitly calling for violence. But the sum of his remarks make that a difficult case to make convincingly.
“Mitt wins ….”
So, you’re predicting nationwide bipartisan rioting?
I warn Republicans.
Do not steal another election.
“And Congress can pick whomever they damn well please.”
Then the people can do whatever they damn well please.
“Mitt wins ….”
So, you’re predicting nationwide bipartisan rioting?
I warn Republicans.
Do not steal another election.
“And Congress can pick whomever they damn well please.”
Then the people can do whatever they damn well please.
“Mitt wins ….”
So, you’re predicting nationwide bipartisan rioting?
I warn Republicans.
Do not steal another election.
“And Congress can pick whomever they damn well please.”
Then the people can do whatever they damn well please.
wj, My contention is that the sum total of the statements in defense and “predicting” future violence are just as provocative as the sum of what Trump says. But there is a spectrum that we are moving down. You know, authentic is the new black.
wj, My contention is that the sum total of the statements in defense and “predicting” future violence are just as provocative as the sum of what Trump says. But there is a spectrum that we are moving down. You know, authentic is the new black.
wj, My contention is that the sum total of the statements in defense and “predicting” future violence are just as provocative as the sum of what Trump says. But there is a spectrum that we are moving down. You know, authentic is the new black.
I am going to assume that this “Mitt Wins” scenario is either humor, wild-ass hypothesizing, or just intended to provoke “the left.”
I live in my own reality.
I am going to assume that this “Mitt Wins” scenario is either humor, wild-ass hypothesizing, or just intended to provoke “the left.”
I live in my own reality.
I am going to assume that this “Mitt Wins” scenario is either humor, wild-ass hypothesizing, or just intended to provoke “the left.”
I live in my own reality.
“No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case, I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office. I believe it is a felony to conspire to cause a riot.”
That thing you do where you agree with me is simply maddening. 😉
“No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case, I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office. I believe it is a felony to conspire to cause a riot.”
That thing you do where you agree with me is simply maddening. 😉
“No, I don’t think he is particularly egging them on in this case, I think it is a specific threat that, one more time, should exclude him from being eligible for the office. I believe it is a felony to conspire to cause a riot.”
That thing you do where you agree with me is simply maddening. 😉
If “Mitt wins” as the article pretends, maybe the Republicans will try to write it off as magic this time:
http://juanitajean.com/oh-pete/
If so, it’ll be the kind of magic trick that goes horribly wrong, as when the magician’s lovely sequined sidekick pulls the box apart to reveal that the volunteer lady from the audience has in fact been sawed in half and her viscera are plopping wetly to the stage floor like so many glistening fish.
If “Mitt wins” as the article pretends, maybe the Republicans will try to write it off as magic this time:
http://juanitajean.com/oh-pete/
If so, it’ll be the kind of magic trick that goes horribly wrong, as when the magician’s lovely sequined sidekick pulls the box apart to reveal that the volunteer lady from the audience has in fact been sawed in half and her viscera are plopping wetly to the stage floor like so many glistening fish.
If “Mitt wins” as the article pretends, maybe the Republicans will try to write it off as magic this time:
http://juanitajean.com/oh-pete/
If so, it’ll be the kind of magic trick that goes horribly wrong, as when the magician’s lovely sequined sidekick pulls the box apart to reveal that the volunteer lady from the audience has in fact been sawed in half and her viscera are plopping wetly to the stage floor like so many glistening fish.
My contention is that the sum total of the statements in defense and “predicting” future violence are just as provocative as the sum of what Trump says.
A notable difference is the position of the person doing the “predicting”.
You seem to be claiming that “liberals” or “lefties” gain some kind of political advantage if they, for example, say that riots may follow the killing of young black men by police in questionable circumstances.
More than that, you seem to be claiming that their making statements like that is some kind of deliberate political strategy. More than that, a deliberate provocation.
None of that seems particularly anchored in reality, to me. Just saying.
My contention is that the sum total of the statements in defense and “predicting” future violence are just as provocative as the sum of what Trump says.
A notable difference is the position of the person doing the “predicting”.
You seem to be claiming that “liberals” or “lefties” gain some kind of political advantage if they, for example, say that riots may follow the killing of young black men by police in questionable circumstances.
More than that, you seem to be claiming that their making statements like that is some kind of deliberate political strategy. More than that, a deliberate provocation.
None of that seems particularly anchored in reality, to me. Just saying.
My contention is that the sum total of the statements in defense and “predicting” future violence are just as provocative as the sum of what Trump says.
A notable difference is the position of the person doing the “predicting”.
You seem to be claiming that “liberals” or “lefties” gain some kind of political advantage if they, for example, say that riots may follow the killing of young black men by police in questionable circumstances.
More than that, you seem to be claiming that their making statements like that is some kind of deliberate political strategy. More than that, a deliberate provocation.
None of that seems particularly anchored in reality, to me. Just saying.
Of course it is anchored very deliberate political strategy, to ensure they retain the minority vote. There has never been a more blatant political strategy.
Of course it is anchored very deliberate political strategy, to ensure they retain the minority vote. There has never been a more blatant political strategy.
Of course it is anchored very deliberate political strategy, to ensure they retain the minority vote. There has never been a more blatant political strategy.
Of course it is anchored very deliberate political strategy, to ensure they retain the minority vote
that is, as always, a shitty, assholish thing say.
fuck you.
Of course it is anchored very deliberate political strategy, to ensure they retain the minority vote
that is, as always, a shitty, assholish thing say.
fuck you.
Of course it is anchored very deliberate political strategy, to ensure they retain the minority vote
that is, as always, a shitty, assholish thing say.
fuck you.
All that is needed for the (D)’s to retain the minority vote is for the (R)’s open their mouths on a semi-regular basis.
Deliberately provoking public violence is neither needed, nor is it on offer.
All that is needed for the (D)’s to retain the minority vote is for the (R)’s open their mouths on a semi-regular basis.
Deliberately provoking public violence is neither needed, nor is it on offer.
All that is needed for the (D)’s to retain the minority vote is for the (R)’s open their mouths on a semi-regular basis.
Deliberately provoking public violence is neither needed, nor is it on offer.
fuck you.
We all get under each other’s skin sometimes.
Maybe we want to stop short of going quite this far.
Been there and done that myself, so no judgement, just trying to help keep this a place where we all feel mostly comfortable hanging out.
fuck you.
We all get under each other’s skin sometimes.
Maybe we want to stop short of going quite this far.
Been there and done that myself, so no judgement, just trying to help keep this a place where we all feel mostly comfortable hanging out.
fuck you.
We all get under each other’s skin sometimes.
Maybe we want to stop short of going quite this far.
Been there and done that myself, so no judgement, just trying to help keep this a place where we all feel mostly comfortable hanging out.
just trying to help keep this a place where we all feel mostly comfortable hanging out.
the suggestion that i, and presumably all other Democrats, looked at the events of the past two years and thought, “hey, how can i use this to retain the minority vote?” instead of “hey, minorities seem to be getting a raw deal from our criminal justice system, we should talk about that” doesn’t make me very comfortable.
if i want that kind of inane “keep ’em on the Dem plantation” bullshit, i’ll just go find Bellmore.
just trying to help keep this a place where we all feel mostly comfortable hanging out.
the suggestion that i, and presumably all other Democrats, looked at the events of the past two years and thought, “hey, how can i use this to retain the minority vote?” instead of “hey, minorities seem to be getting a raw deal from our criminal justice system, we should talk about that” doesn’t make me very comfortable.
if i want that kind of inane “keep ’em on the Dem plantation” bullshit, i’ll just go find Bellmore.
just trying to help keep this a place where we all feel mostly comfortable hanging out.
the suggestion that i, and presumably all other Democrats, looked at the events of the past two years and thought, “hey, how can i use this to retain the minority vote?” instead of “hey, minorities seem to be getting a raw deal from our criminal justice system, we should talk about that” doesn’t make me very comfortable.
if i want that kind of inane “keep ’em on the Dem plantation” bullshit, i’ll just go find Bellmore.
about the specific wording… i apologize.
about the specific wording… i apologize.
about the specific wording… i apologize.
thanks, cleek.
thanks, cleek.
thanks, cleek.
By the way, on the subject of riots and in the spirit of “Mitt Wins,” let’s not forget the Brooks Brothers riot.
Unlike some products of fevered imaginations, this actually happened.
By the way, on the subject of riots and in the spirit of “Mitt Wins,” let’s not forget the Brooks Brothers riot.
Unlike some products of fevered imaginations, this actually happened.
By the way, on the subject of riots and in the spirit of “Mitt Wins,” let’s not forget the Brooks Brothers riot.
Unlike some products of fevered imaginations, this actually happened.
If the Republicans could convince Strom Thurmond to reinstate as a Democrat, they might have better luck with voter retention.
As it is, man, the Democrats have to bend over backwards, don’t they, to keep em away from the big Republican tent:
http://gawker.com/pbs-news-story-on-first-time-trump-voters-prominently-f-1765284316
It is true though that some in the black community aren’t terribly happy with the Democratic Party taking them for granted.
I’m not sure Black Lives Matter is thrilled with Barack Obama.
If the Republicans could convince Strom Thurmond to reinstate as a Democrat, they might have better luck with voter retention.
As it is, man, the Democrats have to bend over backwards, don’t they, to keep em away from the big Republican tent:
http://gawker.com/pbs-news-story-on-first-time-trump-voters-prominently-f-1765284316
It is true though that some in the black community aren’t terribly happy with the Democratic Party taking them for granted.
I’m not sure Black Lives Matter is thrilled with Barack Obama.
If the Republicans could convince Strom Thurmond to reinstate as a Democrat, they might have better luck with voter retention.
As it is, man, the Democrats have to bend over backwards, don’t they, to keep em away from the big Republican tent:
http://gawker.com/pbs-news-story-on-first-time-trump-voters-prominently-f-1765284316
It is true though that some in the black community aren’t terribly happy with the Democratic Party taking them for granted.
I’m not sure Black Lives Matter is thrilled with Barack Obama.
the suggestion that i, and presumably all other Democrats, looked at the events of the past two years and thought, “hey, how can i use this to retain the minority vote?
First, I never suggested that cleek or russell or any other specific person, except Al Sharpton and the Democratic politicians have, since the days of LBJ, been “keeping them on the Dem plantation”. You don’t need Bellmore to know that. The last 30 years of taking every riot and excusing it based on “What do you expect?” is just an example of that, and one that incites the next riot just as surely as Trump offering to pay the legal fees.
I completely understand the reaction that creates the response cleek gave, I have felt it many times reading things here. I’m uncomfortable with lots of things that are written here about Republicans and conservatives. so no big deal.
Second,
the suggestion that i, and presumably all other Democrats, looked at the events of the past two years and thought, “hey, how can i use this to retain the minority vote?
First, I never suggested that cleek or russell or any other specific person, except Al Sharpton and the Democratic politicians have, since the days of LBJ, been “keeping them on the Dem plantation”. You don’t need Bellmore to know that. The last 30 years of taking every riot and excusing it based on “What do you expect?” is just an example of that, and one that incites the next riot just as surely as Trump offering to pay the legal fees.
I completely understand the reaction that creates the response cleek gave, I have felt it many times reading things here. I’m uncomfortable with lots of things that are written here about Republicans and conservatives. so no big deal.
Second,
the suggestion that i, and presumably all other Democrats, looked at the events of the past two years and thought, “hey, how can i use this to retain the minority vote?
First, I never suggested that cleek or russell or any other specific person, except Al Sharpton and the Democratic politicians have, since the days of LBJ, been “keeping them on the Dem plantation”. You don’t need Bellmore to know that. The last 30 years of taking every riot and excusing it based on “What do you expect?” is just an example of that, and one that incites the next riot just as surely as Trump offering to pay the legal fees.
I completely understand the reaction that creates the response cleek gave, I have felt it many times reading things here. I’m uncomfortable with lots of things that are written here about Republicans and conservatives. so no big deal.
Second,
or:
Second, I completely understand the reaction that creates the response cleek gave, I have felt it many times reading things here. I’m uncomfortable with lots of things that are written here about Republicans and conservatives. so no big deal.
or:
Second, I completely understand the reaction that creates the response cleek gave, I have felt it many times reading things here. I’m uncomfortable with lots of things that are written here about Republicans and conservatives. so no big deal.
or:
Second, I completely understand the reaction that creates the response cleek gave, I have felt it many times reading things here. I’m uncomfortable with lots of things that are written here about Republicans and conservatives. so no big deal.
It is true though that some in the black community aren’t terribly happy with the Democratic Party taking them for granted.
Let’s face it. There are definitely people who believe that Obama is a far lefty who has pushed hard for minority special treatment. However they are all on the right; mostly the far right.
I doubt that anybody on the left would agree with that characterization. If anything, they would say he has been way more conservative than expected.
Which is partly because their own blinders, identical in this case to the conservatives’ blinders, assume that a black man will automtically be very very liberal.
That’s where black complaints about being taken for granted come from. Democrats will speak to the liberals among blacks. But they ignore the moderates and conservatives there — assuming they will vote Democratic regardless. And, thanks to the rhetoric that is prevelant on the right, that does tend to happen.
Of course, we see the same thing with Hispanic voters. Many (probably most) of them are social conservatives. Strong ones. Which would make them ripe for recruitment by a conservative party. At least one which wasn’t so determined to demonize them.
Yes, you can argue that lots of them still vote Republican. And that is true. But nowhere near the number that would do so if the GOP was willing to actually open its arms. In fact, that might make the Republicans a national majority party.
Of course, that would mean taking a more accepting view of immigration. And a more pragmatic view of the options available for dealing with our existing illegal immigrants. So it seems unlikely to happen any time soon.
It is true though that some in the black community aren’t terribly happy with the Democratic Party taking them for granted.
Let’s face it. There are definitely people who believe that Obama is a far lefty who has pushed hard for minority special treatment. However they are all on the right; mostly the far right.
I doubt that anybody on the left would agree with that characterization. If anything, they would say he has been way more conservative than expected.
Which is partly because their own blinders, identical in this case to the conservatives’ blinders, assume that a black man will automtically be very very liberal.
That’s where black complaints about being taken for granted come from. Democrats will speak to the liberals among blacks. But they ignore the moderates and conservatives there — assuming they will vote Democratic regardless. And, thanks to the rhetoric that is prevelant on the right, that does tend to happen.
Of course, we see the same thing with Hispanic voters. Many (probably most) of them are social conservatives. Strong ones. Which would make them ripe for recruitment by a conservative party. At least one which wasn’t so determined to demonize them.
Yes, you can argue that lots of them still vote Republican. And that is true. But nowhere near the number that would do so if the GOP was willing to actually open its arms. In fact, that might make the Republicans a national majority party.
Of course, that would mean taking a more accepting view of immigration. And a more pragmatic view of the options available for dealing with our existing illegal immigrants. So it seems unlikely to happen any time soon.
It is true though that some in the black community aren’t terribly happy with the Democratic Party taking them for granted.
Let’s face it. There are definitely people who believe that Obama is a far lefty who has pushed hard for minority special treatment. However they are all on the right; mostly the far right.
I doubt that anybody on the left would agree with that characterization. If anything, they would say he has been way more conservative than expected.
Which is partly because their own blinders, identical in this case to the conservatives’ blinders, assume that a black man will automtically be very very liberal.
That’s where black complaints about being taken for granted come from. Democrats will speak to the liberals among blacks. But they ignore the moderates and conservatives there — assuming they will vote Democratic regardless. And, thanks to the rhetoric that is prevelant on the right, that does tend to happen.
Of course, we see the same thing with Hispanic voters. Many (probably most) of them are social conservatives. Strong ones. Which would make them ripe for recruitment by a conservative party. At least one which wasn’t so determined to demonize them.
Yes, you can argue that lots of them still vote Republican. And that is true. But nowhere near the number that would do so if the GOP was willing to actually open its arms. In fact, that might make the Republicans a national majority party.
Of course, that would mean taking a more accepting view of immigration. And a more pragmatic view of the options available for dealing with our existing illegal immigrants. So it seems unlikely to happen any time soon.
Some good advice, courtesy of Loudon Wainwright III…
Some good advice, courtesy of Loudon Wainwright III…
Some good advice, courtesy of Loudon Wainwright III…
Cruz demands the death of moderation:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-merrick-garland-trump-deal
The hell with it. Bring on the Civil War!
Cruz demands the death of moderation:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-merrick-garland-trump-deal
The hell with it. Bring on the Civil War!
Cruz demands the death of moderation:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-merrick-garland-trump-deal
The hell with it. Bring on the Civil War!
Now that Republicans have a lock on the racist vote, why the hell shouldn’t Democrats have a lock on the minority vote? Black people are not stupid.
Of course, in Marty’s universe, noticing racial disparities is the real race card. Republicans don’t see race — in the sense that they can look at any disparity whatever and declare “It’s not about race” — so naturally the Democrats are playing black people for suckers.
–TP
Now that Republicans have a lock on the racist vote, why the hell shouldn’t Democrats have a lock on the minority vote? Black people are not stupid.
Of course, in Marty’s universe, noticing racial disparities is the real race card. Republicans don’t see race — in the sense that they can look at any disparity whatever and declare “It’s not about race” — so naturally the Democrats are playing black people for suckers.
–TP
Now that Republicans have a lock on the racist vote, why the hell shouldn’t Democrats have a lock on the minority vote? Black people are not stupid.
Of course, in Marty’s universe, noticing racial disparities is the real race card. Republicans don’t see race — in the sense that they can look at any disparity whatever and declare “It’s not about race” — so naturally the Democrats are playing black people for suckers.
–TP
You know, you could roll a grenade into this room and make America safer:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-beck-republic-stake-kasich
It’s a pigf*cking hoot to watch Cruz get to the right of EVERYONE and absolutely nail it every time.
Civil War here we come.
You know, you could roll a grenade into this room and make America safer:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-beck-republic-stake-kasich
It’s a pigf*cking hoot to watch Cruz get to the right of EVERYONE and absolutely nail it every time.
Civil War here we come.
You know, you could roll a grenade into this room and make America safer:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-beck-republic-stake-kasich
It’s a pigf*cking hoot to watch Cruz get to the right of EVERYONE and absolutely nail it every time.
Civil War here we come.
Count, please! That’s “the war between the states.”
[I can’t abide the word “civil.”]
Count, please! That’s “the war between the states.”
[I can’t abide the word “civil.”]
Count, please! That’s “the war between the states.”
[I can’t abide the word “civil.”]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wossamotta_U
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wossamotta_U
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wossamotta_U
The Republican Convention is likely to the War Between The Straights
The Republican Convention is likely to the War Between The Straights
The Republican Convention is likely to the War Between The Straights
Count, don’t you think there is any chance of a “gay, mad, social whirl”? I mean, a convention is supposed to be party time, right?
Count, don’t you think there is any chance of a “gay, mad, social whirl”? I mean, a convention is supposed to be party time, right?
Count, don’t you think there is any chance of a “gay, mad, social whirl”? I mean, a convention is supposed to be party time, right?
Marty,
here is the thread:
russell:
Marty:
Marty,
here is the thread:
russell:
Marty:
Marty,
here is the thread:
russell:
Marty:
yes cleek, note the use of the words they/their, not only in my comment but in russell’s. Referring to the politicians/surrogates, sorry if that wasn’t clear.
yes cleek, note the use of the words they/their, not only in my comment but in russell’s. Referring to the politicians/surrogates, sorry if that wasn’t clear.
yes cleek, note the use of the words they/their, not only in my comment but in russell’s. Referring to the politicians/surrogates, sorry if that wasn’t clear.
and cleek, most of that subthread was based on this:
Where I was fairly specific.
and cleek, most of that subthread was based on this:
Where I was fairly specific.
and cleek, most of that subthread was based on this:
Where I was fairly specific.
wj:
I have no doubt that if the candidate promises to cut taxes to zero the gay Log Cabin Republicans may throw in with Trump’s Hell Angels and KKK confederates and/or Cruz’s Chastity Belt Crusaders For Ted The Risen Christ Uber Alles.
It’ll be like Altamont, except the Hell’s Angels will be rewarded for their brutality by being awarded the contract to replace the Secret Service for the first four years of the Republican Presidency.
One stipulation will be that they beat the living sh*t out of any Democratic Presidential Candidate during 2020 election season and call it valor under fire.
The Convention after party might be a combined lynching/orgy/street fight with the Palin kids, the Bachmann kids, and Dennis Rodman being Moe-slapped silly by Mike Tyson, until the dinner bell is rung and a barbecued Republican terducken consisting of John Kasich stuffed inside Marco Rubio stuffed inside Mitt Romney is served and torn to shreds by the ravenous mobs with an eye toward the blood pudding dessert in November.
Trump will be scratching his own behind while wearing Ben Carson and Chris Christie as sock puppets on each claw. Cruz’s wife will end up face down in the punch bowl while being palpated from behind to confirm her virginity by an over-zealous county clerk who took Ted’s speechs literally.
Maybe Fellini and Tarentino could be in charge of providing documentary footage of the spectacle a la Leni Riefenstahl as conservatives get their vengeance freak on.
This election will make being Republican an official pre-existing medical condition as declared by the AMA and the lot of them will have to join their very own high-risk insurance pool, because I’m certainly not going to subsidize this fatal disease.
wj:
I have no doubt that if the candidate promises to cut taxes to zero the gay Log Cabin Republicans may throw in with Trump’s Hell Angels and KKK confederates and/or Cruz’s Chastity Belt Crusaders For Ted The Risen Christ Uber Alles.
It’ll be like Altamont, except the Hell’s Angels will be rewarded for their brutality by being awarded the contract to replace the Secret Service for the first four years of the Republican Presidency.
One stipulation will be that they beat the living sh*t out of any Democratic Presidential Candidate during 2020 election season and call it valor under fire.
The Convention after party might be a combined lynching/orgy/street fight with the Palin kids, the Bachmann kids, and Dennis Rodman being Moe-slapped silly by Mike Tyson, until the dinner bell is rung and a barbecued Republican terducken consisting of John Kasich stuffed inside Marco Rubio stuffed inside Mitt Romney is served and torn to shreds by the ravenous mobs with an eye toward the blood pudding dessert in November.
Trump will be scratching his own behind while wearing Ben Carson and Chris Christie as sock puppets on each claw. Cruz’s wife will end up face down in the punch bowl while being palpated from behind to confirm her virginity by an over-zealous county clerk who took Ted’s speechs literally.
Maybe Fellini and Tarentino could be in charge of providing documentary footage of the spectacle a la Leni Riefenstahl as conservatives get their vengeance freak on.
This election will make being Republican an official pre-existing medical condition as declared by the AMA and the lot of them will have to join their very own high-risk insurance pool, because I’m certainly not going to subsidize this fatal disease.
wj:
I have no doubt that if the candidate promises to cut taxes to zero the gay Log Cabin Republicans may throw in with Trump’s Hell Angels and KKK confederates and/or Cruz’s Chastity Belt Crusaders For Ted The Risen Christ Uber Alles.
It’ll be like Altamont, except the Hell’s Angels will be rewarded for their brutality by being awarded the contract to replace the Secret Service for the first four years of the Republican Presidency.
One stipulation will be that they beat the living sh*t out of any Democratic Presidential Candidate during 2020 election season and call it valor under fire.
The Convention after party might be a combined lynching/orgy/street fight with the Palin kids, the Bachmann kids, and Dennis Rodman being Moe-slapped silly by Mike Tyson, until the dinner bell is rung and a barbecued Republican terducken consisting of John Kasich stuffed inside Marco Rubio stuffed inside Mitt Romney is served and torn to shreds by the ravenous mobs with an eye toward the blood pudding dessert in November.
Trump will be scratching his own behind while wearing Ben Carson and Chris Christie as sock puppets on each claw. Cruz’s wife will end up face down in the punch bowl while being palpated from behind to confirm her virginity by an over-zealous county clerk who took Ted’s speechs literally.
Maybe Fellini and Tarentino could be in charge of providing documentary footage of the spectacle a la Leni Riefenstahl as conservatives get their vengeance freak on.
This election will make being Republican an official pre-existing medical condition as declared by the AMA and the lot of them will have to join their very own high-risk insurance pool, because I’m certainly not going to subsidize this fatal disease.
I fully expected when I read this headline quote from Carson that his very next statement was going to be “because, after all, I am a child molester.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carson-child-molestor-trump-comments
Has there been in recent memory such an accomplished individual in such a demanding profession who has so humiliated himself and revealed himself to be such a simpleton outside of everything besides brain surgery and in such a short period of time?
It’s like everything besides brain surgery IS brain surgery to him.
It’s pathetic.
No doubt Trump will hand Carson a bullhorn after the election and put him in charge of the White House Office For Inciting Riots because as Trump probably thinks, hell, Carson’s “people” have been rioting for Democrats for so long that he might be good at it.
This is what happens when you spend any length time in a closet alone with Ted Cruz.
First, you get sprayed for bugs and take a shower, and then you riot for Trump.
I fully expected when I read this headline quote from Carson that his very next statement was going to be “because, after all, I am a child molester.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carson-child-molestor-trump-comments
Has there been in recent memory such an accomplished individual in such a demanding profession who has so humiliated himself and revealed himself to be such a simpleton outside of everything besides brain surgery and in such a short period of time?
It’s like everything besides brain surgery IS brain surgery to him.
It’s pathetic.
No doubt Trump will hand Carson a bullhorn after the election and put him in charge of the White House Office For Inciting Riots because as Trump probably thinks, hell, Carson’s “people” have been rioting for Democrats for so long that he might be good at it.
This is what happens when you spend any length time in a closet alone with Ted Cruz.
First, you get sprayed for bugs and take a shower, and then you riot for Trump.
I fully expected when I read this headline quote from Carson that his very next statement was going to be “because, after all, I am a child molester.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carson-child-molestor-trump-comments
Has there been in recent memory such an accomplished individual in such a demanding profession who has so humiliated himself and revealed himself to be such a simpleton outside of everything besides brain surgery and in such a short period of time?
It’s like everything besides brain surgery IS brain surgery to him.
It’s pathetic.
No doubt Trump will hand Carson a bullhorn after the election and put him in charge of the White House Office For Inciting Riots because as Trump probably thinks, hell, Carson’s “people” have been rioting for Democrats for so long that he might be good at it.
This is what happens when you spend any length time in a closet alone with Ted Cruz.
First, you get sprayed for bugs and take a shower, and then you riot for Trump.
This reminds of the New Yorker cartoonist who features a series of cartoons of a guy with his feet in cement about to be thrown off the end of a pier by a couple of Mafia meatheads and whatever hilarious captions accompany, except McConnell is the muscle and Garland is the schlub victim.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/grassley-to-meet-with-garland
I could be convinced that a riot in McConnell’s front yard would advance the cause of civilization.
This reminds of the New Yorker cartoonist who features a series of cartoons of a guy with his feet in cement about to be thrown off the end of a pier by a couple of Mafia meatheads and whatever hilarious captions accompany, except McConnell is the muscle and Garland is the schlub victim.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/grassley-to-meet-with-garland
I could be convinced that a riot in McConnell’s front yard would advance the cause of civilization.
This reminds of the New Yorker cartoonist who features a series of cartoons of a guy with his feet in cement about to be thrown off the end of a pier by a couple of Mafia meatheads and whatever hilarious captions accompany, except McConnell is the muscle and Garland is the schlub victim.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/grassley-to-meet-with-garland
I could be convinced that a riot in McConnell’s front yard would advance the cause of civilization.
Try this instead, but both will do:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mcconnell-refuses-hold-meeting-garland
Try this instead, but both will do:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mcconnell-refuses-hold-meeting-garland
Try this instead, but both will do:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mcconnell-refuses-hold-meeting-garland
Seems that I was busy today and missed all the fun.
Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades.
You know, the funny thing is, no few numbers of black people have been saying that very same thing since the 60’s. Why, it’s as if they “don’t know any better”, and have no human agency.
As for “keeping them on the plantation”, this idea also denies them agency, as it implies they can, in incredibly large numbers, be easily bought off or scammed.
You’d think they just can’t figure out what they want, right?
For some reason, I can’t help but think black people (generally speaking) would find this line of so-called reasoning to be very offensive.
Seems that I was busy today and missed all the fun.
Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades.
You know, the funny thing is, no few numbers of black people have been saying that very same thing since the 60’s. Why, it’s as if they “don’t know any better”, and have no human agency.
As for “keeping them on the plantation”, this idea also denies them agency, as it implies they can, in incredibly large numbers, be easily bought off or scammed.
You’d think they just can’t figure out what they want, right?
For some reason, I can’t help but think black people (generally speaking) would find this line of so-called reasoning to be very offensive.
Seems that I was busy today and missed all the fun.
Democratic politicians and their surrogates have been talking about violence in the streets as an understandable response for decades.
You know, the funny thing is, no few numbers of black people have been saying that very same thing since the 60’s. Why, it’s as if they “don’t know any better”, and have no human agency.
As for “keeping them on the plantation”, this idea also denies them agency, as it implies they can, in incredibly large numbers, be easily bought off or scammed.
You’d think they just can’t figure out what they want, right?
For some reason, I can’t help but think black people (generally speaking) would find this line of so-called reasoning to be very offensive.
As for “keeping them on the plantation”, this idea also denies them agency, as it implies they can, in incredibly large numbers, be easily bought off or scammed.
Well, consider the source. And what their attitude on the subject of the objects (sorry!) is.
As for “keeping them on the plantation”, this idea also denies them agency, as it implies they can, in incredibly large numbers, be easily bought off or scammed.
Well, consider the source. And what their attitude on the subject of the objects (sorry!) is.
As for “keeping them on the plantation”, this idea also denies them agency, as it implies they can, in incredibly large numbers, be easily bought off or scammed.
Well, consider the source. And what their attitude on the subject of the objects (sorry!) is.
NOTE: I wasn’t suggesting that is Marty‘s view. Rather, that of the folks who are the original source of the comments about the “Democratic plantation.”
NOTE: I wasn’t suggesting that is Marty‘s view. Rather, that of the folks who are the original source of the comments about the “Democratic plantation.”
NOTE: I wasn’t suggesting that is Marty‘s view. Rather, that of the folks who are the original source of the comments about the “Democratic plantation.”
What next? That old canard about “why do they burn down their OWN neighborhoods?” Why, you ask? When the prisoners riot, they burn down the jail, do they not?
Think about it.
So, if you rolled a grenade down 5th avenue….
What next? That old canard about “why do they burn down their OWN neighborhoods?” Why, you ask? When the prisoners riot, they burn down the jail, do they not?
Think about it.
So, if you rolled a grenade down 5th avenue….
What next? That old canard about “why do they burn down their OWN neighborhoods?” Why, you ask? When the prisoners riot, they burn down the jail, do they not?
Think about it.
So, if you rolled a grenade down 5th avenue….
The last 30 years of taking every riot and excusing it based on “What do you expect?” is just an example of that, and one that incites the next riot just as surely as Trump offering to pay the legal fees.
First, “what do you expect?” is a not-unreasonable reaction to an extremely wide range of socially dysfunctional behavior. Including, but not limited to, riots in black communities.
Blue collar white men are about the only demographic whose average life span is declining. Significant causes of that apparently include suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse. That is a fairly predictable outcome, given the economic and social marginalization of that demographic.
In other words, what do you expect?
If a politician points that out, are they justifying – let alone encouraging – suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse? Or increases in divorce, domestic violence, single parenthood and/or out of wedlock childbirth that also accompany economic marginalization?
Or are they just pointing out the obvious?
If a politician then advocates for policies to help those folks out, are they just “keeping white trash in the trailer park”?
All of that is to address the first clause of your claim.
I hardly know how to address the second. The distinction between a prediction and a threat appears to escape you, I’ll just leave it at that.
Since I’ve asked cleek to walk back his rough language, it occurs to me that I owe – have owed – a similar apology to sapient. Some time back, we got into it, his comments got under my skin, and I invited him to f*ck off.
That was unnecessarily abusive language. My belated apologies.
The last 30 years of taking every riot and excusing it based on “What do you expect?” is just an example of that, and one that incites the next riot just as surely as Trump offering to pay the legal fees.
First, “what do you expect?” is a not-unreasonable reaction to an extremely wide range of socially dysfunctional behavior. Including, but not limited to, riots in black communities.
Blue collar white men are about the only demographic whose average life span is declining. Significant causes of that apparently include suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse. That is a fairly predictable outcome, given the economic and social marginalization of that demographic.
In other words, what do you expect?
If a politician points that out, are they justifying – let alone encouraging – suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse? Or increases in divorce, domestic violence, single parenthood and/or out of wedlock childbirth that also accompany economic marginalization?
Or are they just pointing out the obvious?
If a politician then advocates for policies to help those folks out, are they just “keeping white trash in the trailer park”?
All of that is to address the first clause of your claim.
I hardly know how to address the second. The distinction between a prediction and a threat appears to escape you, I’ll just leave it at that.
Since I’ve asked cleek to walk back his rough language, it occurs to me that I owe – have owed – a similar apology to sapient. Some time back, we got into it, his comments got under my skin, and I invited him to f*ck off.
That was unnecessarily abusive language. My belated apologies.
The last 30 years of taking every riot and excusing it based on “What do you expect?” is just an example of that, and one that incites the next riot just as surely as Trump offering to pay the legal fees.
First, “what do you expect?” is a not-unreasonable reaction to an extremely wide range of socially dysfunctional behavior. Including, but not limited to, riots in black communities.
Blue collar white men are about the only demographic whose average life span is declining. Significant causes of that apparently include suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse. That is a fairly predictable outcome, given the economic and social marginalization of that demographic.
In other words, what do you expect?
If a politician points that out, are they justifying – let alone encouraging – suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse? Or increases in divorce, domestic violence, single parenthood and/or out of wedlock childbirth that also accompany economic marginalization?
Or are they just pointing out the obvious?
If a politician then advocates for policies to help those folks out, are they just “keeping white trash in the trailer park”?
All of that is to address the first clause of your claim.
I hardly know how to address the second. The distinction between a prediction and a threat appears to escape you, I’ll just leave it at that.
Since I’ve asked cleek to walk back his rough language, it occurs to me that I owe – have owed – a similar apology to sapient. Some time back, we got into it, his comments got under my skin, and I invited him to f*ck off.
That was unnecessarily abusive language. My belated apologies.
Lawyers fees aside, the point of discussion here was Trumps prediction of riots in the event of his losing the nomination at the convention. So predictions that provide permission to people to riot are the primary topic. So I really don’t have to distinguish between predictions and anything else. “There are going to be riots” and “What do you expect” are common language on both sides. I expect people to not break the law and endanger other people and property. That’s not the same as some 60 year old marginalized white guy shooting himself, talking about torturous analogies.
The language is designed to condone violence.
Lawyers fees aside, the point of discussion here was Trumps prediction of riots in the event of his losing the nomination at the convention. So predictions that provide permission to people to riot are the primary topic. So I really don’t have to distinguish between predictions and anything else. “There are going to be riots” and “What do you expect” are common language on both sides. I expect people to not break the law and endanger other people and property. That’s not the same as some 60 year old marginalized white guy shooting himself, talking about torturous analogies.
The language is designed to condone violence.
Lawyers fees aside, the point of discussion here was Trumps prediction of riots in the event of his losing the nomination at the convention. So predictions that provide permission to people to riot are the primary topic. So I really don’t have to distinguish between predictions and anything else. “There are going to be riots” and “What do you expect” are common language on both sides. I expect people to not break the law and endanger other people and property. That’s not the same as some 60 year old marginalized white guy shooting himself, talking about torturous analogies.
The language is designed to condone violence.
I haven’t read this thread in its entirety or in detail, so maybe I’m putting something out that doesn’t exactly address the point anyone was trying to make, but here it goes.
If you’re running for the office of President of the United States of America, and you expect riots to occur if you’re not nominated, you should be making it very, very clear that you do not approve of people rioting and you should be strongly discoursing people from doing so. You should be very careful not to say things that could be interpreted as condoning, approving, encouraging, or even being indifferent to, people rioting on your behalf.
That is my opinion, and it is mine, along with my many theories.
I haven’t read this thread in its entirety or in detail, so maybe I’m putting something out that doesn’t exactly address the point anyone was trying to make, but here it goes.
If you’re running for the office of President of the United States of America, and you expect riots to occur if you’re not nominated, you should be making it very, very clear that you do not approve of people rioting and you should be strongly discoursing people from doing so. You should be very careful not to say things that could be interpreted as condoning, approving, encouraging, or even being indifferent to, people rioting on your behalf.
That is my opinion, and it is mine, along with my many theories.
I haven’t read this thread in its entirety or in detail, so maybe I’m putting something out that doesn’t exactly address the point anyone was trying to make, but here it goes.
If you’re running for the office of President of the United States of America, and you expect riots to occur if you’re not nominated, you should be making it very, very clear that you do not approve of people rioting and you should be strongly discoursing people from doing so. You should be very careful not to say things that could be interpreted as condoning, approving, encouraging, or even being indifferent to, people rioting on your behalf.
That is my opinion, and it is mine, along with my many theories.
discouraging, not discoursing. I would never discourse anyone.
discouraging, not discoursing. I would never discourse anyone.
discouraging, not discoursing. I would never discourse anyone.
but would you disgorge someone?
but would you disgorge someone?
but would you disgorge someone?
So predictions that provide permission to people to riot are the primary topic.
I’m still looking for the (D) politician, from LBJ to now, who “provides permission” for rioting.
I’ll spot you Sharpton, but to some degree I’d argue that he’s a somewhat special case. Rioting as a political response is not really uncommon in Brooklyn, at least back in the pre-hipster days. If you want to ascribe that to “(D) liberals” you need to account for the Italians in Bensonhurst, and the Hasidim in Crown Heights, and any number of others.
You might look at poverty + population density as a predictor, rather than political affiliation.
In any case, I’m just really not interested in listening to tales about how liberals “encourage political violence”. Look around yourself, see who traffics in threats of violence. It ain’t folks with (D)’s after their names.
I’m fine with people holding pretty much whatever point of view they like, but the “both sides do it” moral equivalence thing is BS.
The two sides are not the same. And, quite notably, in their use of rhetoric that abets violence.
So predictions that provide permission to people to riot are the primary topic.
I’m still looking for the (D) politician, from LBJ to now, who “provides permission” for rioting.
I’ll spot you Sharpton, but to some degree I’d argue that he’s a somewhat special case. Rioting as a political response is not really uncommon in Brooklyn, at least back in the pre-hipster days. If you want to ascribe that to “(D) liberals” you need to account for the Italians in Bensonhurst, and the Hasidim in Crown Heights, and any number of others.
You might look at poverty + population density as a predictor, rather than political affiliation.
In any case, I’m just really not interested in listening to tales about how liberals “encourage political violence”. Look around yourself, see who traffics in threats of violence. It ain’t folks with (D)’s after their names.
I’m fine with people holding pretty much whatever point of view they like, but the “both sides do it” moral equivalence thing is BS.
The two sides are not the same. And, quite notably, in their use of rhetoric that abets violence.
So predictions that provide permission to people to riot are the primary topic.
I’m still looking for the (D) politician, from LBJ to now, who “provides permission” for rioting.
I’ll spot you Sharpton, but to some degree I’d argue that he’s a somewhat special case. Rioting as a political response is not really uncommon in Brooklyn, at least back in the pre-hipster days. If you want to ascribe that to “(D) liberals” you need to account for the Italians in Bensonhurst, and the Hasidim in Crown Heights, and any number of others.
You might look at poverty + population density as a predictor, rather than political affiliation.
In any case, I’m just really not interested in listening to tales about how liberals “encourage political violence”. Look around yourself, see who traffics in threats of violence. It ain’t folks with (D)’s after their names.
I’m fine with people holding pretty much whatever point of view they like, but the “both sides do it” moral equivalence thing is BS.
The two sides are not the same. And, quite notably, in their use of rhetoric that abets violence.
Trump is offering the 60-year old marginalized white guy an alternative to shooting himself: rioting and militancy.
Some might say that was the same alternative Malcolm X and the Black Panthers offered to another set of marginalized people, albeit with entirely different margins.
My middle name is “Some”. Sometimes, maybe even now.
“I expect people to not break the law and endanger other people and property.”
So did King George III. For what it’s worth, me too, though I think the idea that property takes precedence people has been long entrenched.
“Blue collar white men are about the only demographic whose average life span is declining. Significant causes of that apparently include suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse. That is a fairly predictable outcome, given the economic and social marginalization of that demographic.
In other words, what do you expect?
If a politician points that out, are they justifying – let alone encouraging – suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse? Or increases in divorce, domestic violence, single parenthood and/or out of wedlock childbirth that also accompany economic marginalization?
Or are they just pointing out the obvious?
If a politician then advocates for policies to help those folks out, are they just “keeping white trash in the trailer park”?’
Thus, they are a big part of Trump’s demographic. “Demographic” is not what they want to be called, of course. They want to be afforded the same treatment as the elites in our financial/political institutions and who have arranged for the hollowing out of the job base and pay for lower- and middle-class Americans regardless of political persuasion, race, and religion.
Many other factors coincide — displacement by technology etc, but as wj observed way upthread, this a rant, not a journal article. 😉
I’m not a Cramer fan (he’s a reality show, blowhard train wreck unto himself), but as with my off-kilter rants, even his stopped rants can be right twice a day:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-listen-donald-trump-225013813.html#
But look at what the blue collar white men who are working on their second heart attacks but are too proud to sign up for Obamacare GET from the conservative, corporate establishment (the same exact one that embraced racist Strom Thurmond/Jesse Helms and stood athwart history to stop integration and Civil Rights and forced 90% of the black population in this country into declaring as lifelong Democrats):
http://thedailydemocrat.com/kevin-williamson-and-the-cult-of-mammon/
Now, there’s much to unpack there, but it’s too bad that these disenfranchised people by and large have had their worst natures appealed to by a political party, and now Trump, vis-a-vis the OTHER, now sans the dog whistles:
(Let me interject here that Trump’s followers have much in common in the resentment category with Sanders’ followers, not to mention Black Lives Matter and the Occupy movement, and further, the American establishment across the board had better hope the lot of them never come to realize it and work to organize around their commmonalities, thus Trump’s age-old plan, like all elites, to divide the disenfranchised so they fight each other instead of pulling his fat ass down off the stage and eating him.
Back to “Free” trade as condemned by Trump and Cramer. I get it. I largely agree.
But, go ahead and try to dismantle the trading regime that has had forty to fifty years to insinuate itself into every minute slice of every day life one or the other, for good or ill, everywhere, from small mill towns in South Carolina to small but now thriving Chinese villages far from Shanghai.
You wanna see financial chaos? You want to see the international system of currency accounts and all of the debits and credits go haywire? You want to see the suits on Wall Street, and in The City in London, and in Hong Kong riot in a way that shuts the entire system down, and these people know how to throw a f*cking riot without even leaving their computer cockpits.
Their favorite f*cking cult Bible is “Atlas Shrugged”.
Sure, it’s too bad we’ve let this happen to us. But here we are.
You want to know the words for “NO” in Chinese? It’s the same words the Mexico will use when Trump tries to make them pay for his pie in the sky wall?
It rhymes with “F*ck you”, which by the way I’ll cop to lowering the level of discourse around here. It’s nothing personal. I try my best to use it at the Party level and keep it away from any individuals here, for whom I have no animosity. Sometimes, I fail. I apologize. Maybe I should stop, but on the other hand, if Trump/Cruz become President, you’ll have become inured to the new national motto that will replace e pluribus unum.
When Trump says he wants America to win, there is a whole lot of “f8ck off” therein contained.
You see those photo ops all the time of powerful people in government and business in the midst of negotiations. The trained smiles. They just got done telling each other to “F*ck off!” Sometimes a mic is hot, a la Cheney and Bush, if you remember.
Speaking of which, that’s why Trump’s word for “No” is also “Nein”, because racial nativism is all the leverage he has.
Just saying, it’s a sticky wicket at the end of the primrose path we’ve been led down.
Way too many moving parts.
I get it.
Trump is offering the 60-year old marginalized white guy an alternative to shooting himself: rioting and militancy.
Some might say that was the same alternative Malcolm X and the Black Panthers offered to another set of marginalized people, albeit with entirely different margins.
My middle name is “Some”. Sometimes, maybe even now.
“I expect people to not break the law and endanger other people and property.”
So did King George III. For what it’s worth, me too, though I think the idea that property takes precedence people has been long entrenched.
“Blue collar white men are about the only demographic whose average life span is declining. Significant causes of that apparently include suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse. That is a fairly predictable outcome, given the economic and social marginalization of that demographic.
In other words, what do you expect?
If a politician points that out, are they justifying – let alone encouraging – suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse? Or increases in divorce, domestic violence, single parenthood and/or out of wedlock childbirth that also accompany economic marginalization?
Or are they just pointing out the obvious?
If a politician then advocates for policies to help those folks out, are they just “keeping white trash in the trailer park”?’
Thus, they are a big part of Trump’s demographic. “Demographic” is not what they want to be called, of course. They want to be afforded the same treatment as the elites in our financial/political institutions and who have arranged for the hollowing out of the job base and pay for lower- and middle-class Americans regardless of political persuasion, race, and religion.
Many other factors coincide — displacement by technology etc, but as wj observed way upthread, this a rant, not a journal article. 😉
I’m not a Cramer fan (he’s a reality show, blowhard train wreck unto himself), but as with my off-kilter rants, even his stopped rants can be right twice a day:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-listen-donald-trump-225013813.html#
But look at what the blue collar white men who are working on their second heart attacks but are too proud to sign up for Obamacare GET from the conservative, corporate establishment (the same exact one that embraced racist Strom Thurmond/Jesse Helms and stood athwart history to stop integration and Civil Rights and forced 90% of the black population in this country into declaring as lifelong Democrats):
http://thedailydemocrat.com/kevin-williamson-and-the-cult-of-mammon/
Now, there’s much to unpack there, but it’s too bad that these disenfranchised people by and large have had their worst natures appealed to by a political party, and now Trump, vis-a-vis the OTHER, now sans the dog whistles:
(Let me interject here that Trump’s followers have much in common in the resentment category with Sanders’ followers, not to mention Black Lives Matter and the Occupy movement, and further, the American establishment across the board had better hope the lot of them never come to realize it and work to organize around their commmonalities, thus Trump’s age-old plan, like all elites, to divide the disenfranchised so they fight each other instead of pulling his fat ass down off the stage and eating him.
Back to “Free” trade as condemned by Trump and Cramer. I get it. I largely agree.
But, go ahead and try to dismantle the trading regime that has had forty to fifty years to insinuate itself into every minute slice of every day life one or the other, for good or ill, everywhere, from small mill towns in South Carolina to small but now thriving Chinese villages far from Shanghai.
You wanna see financial chaos? You want to see the international system of currency accounts and all of the debits and credits go haywire? You want to see the suits on Wall Street, and in The City in London, and in Hong Kong riot in a way that shuts the entire system down, and these people know how to throw a f*cking riot without even leaving their computer cockpits.
Their favorite f*cking cult Bible is “Atlas Shrugged”.
Sure, it’s too bad we’ve let this happen to us. But here we are.
You want to know the words for “NO” in Chinese? It’s the same words the Mexico will use when Trump tries to make them pay for his pie in the sky wall?
It rhymes with “F*ck you”, which by the way I’ll cop to lowering the level of discourse around here. It’s nothing personal. I try my best to use it at the Party level and keep it away from any individuals here, for whom I have no animosity. Sometimes, I fail. I apologize. Maybe I should stop, but on the other hand, if Trump/Cruz become President, you’ll have become inured to the new national motto that will replace e pluribus unum.
When Trump says he wants America to win, there is a whole lot of “f8ck off” therein contained.
You see those photo ops all the time of powerful people in government and business in the midst of negotiations. The trained smiles. They just got done telling each other to “F*ck off!” Sometimes a mic is hot, a la Cheney and Bush, if you remember.
Speaking of which, that’s why Trump’s word for “No” is also “Nein”, because racial nativism is all the leverage he has.
Just saying, it’s a sticky wicket at the end of the primrose path we’ve been led down.
Way too many moving parts.
I get it.
Trump is offering the 60-year old marginalized white guy an alternative to shooting himself: rioting and militancy.
Some might say that was the same alternative Malcolm X and the Black Panthers offered to another set of marginalized people, albeit with entirely different margins.
My middle name is “Some”. Sometimes, maybe even now.
“I expect people to not break the law and endanger other people and property.”
So did King George III. For what it’s worth, me too, though I think the idea that property takes precedence people has been long entrenched.
“Blue collar white men are about the only demographic whose average life span is declining. Significant causes of that apparently include suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse. That is a fairly predictable outcome, given the economic and social marginalization of that demographic.
In other words, what do you expect?
If a politician points that out, are they justifying – let alone encouraging – suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse? Or increases in divorce, domestic violence, single parenthood and/or out of wedlock childbirth that also accompany economic marginalization?
Or are they just pointing out the obvious?
If a politician then advocates for policies to help those folks out, are they just “keeping white trash in the trailer park”?’
Thus, they are a big part of Trump’s demographic. “Demographic” is not what they want to be called, of course. They want to be afforded the same treatment as the elites in our financial/political institutions and who have arranged for the hollowing out of the job base and pay for lower- and middle-class Americans regardless of political persuasion, race, and religion.
Many other factors coincide — displacement by technology etc, but as wj observed way upthread, this a rant, not a journal article. 😉
I’m not a Cramer fan (he’s a reality show, blowhard train wreck unto himself), but as with my off-kilter rants, even his stopped rants can be right twice a day:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cramer-listen-donald-trump-225013813.html#
But look at what the blue collar white men who are working on their second heart attacks but are too proud to sign up for Obamacare GET from the conservative, corporate establishment (the same exact one that embraced racist Strom Thurmond/Jesse Helms and stood athwart history to stop integration and Civil Rights and forced 90% of the black population in this country into declaring as lifelong Democrats):
http://thedailydemocrat.com/kevin-williamson-and-the-cult-of-mammon/
Now, there’s much to unpack there, but it’s too bad that these disenfranchised people by and large have had their worst natures appealed to by a political party, and now Trump, vis-a-vis the OTHER, now sans the dog whistles:
(Let me interject here that Trump’s followers have much in common in the resentment category with Sanders’ followers, not to mention Black Lives Matter and the Occupy movement, and further, the American establishment across the board had better hope the lot of them never come to realize it and work to organize around their commmonalities, thus Trump’s age-old plan, like all elites, to divide the disenfranchised so they fight each other instead of pulling his fat ass down off the stage and eating him.
Back to “Free” trade as condemned by Trump and Cramer. I get it. I largely agree.
But, go ahead and try to dismantle the trading regime that has had forty to fifty years to insinuate itself into every minute slice of every day life one or the other, for good or ill, everywhere, from small mill towns in South Carolina to small but now thriving Chinese villages far from Shanghai.
You wanna see financial chaos? You want to see the international system of currency accounts and all of the debits and credits go haywire? You want to see the suits on Wall Street, and in The City in London, and in Hong Kong riot in a way that shuts the entire system down, and these people know how to throw a f*cking riot without even leaving their computer cockpits.
Their favorite f*cking cult Bible is “Atlas Shrugged”.
Sure, it’s too bad we’ve let this happen to us. But here we are.
You want to know the words for “NO” in Chinese? It’s the same words the Mexico will use when Trump tries to make them pay for his pie in the sky wall?
It rhymes with “F*ck you”, which by the way I’ll cop to lowering the level of discourse around here. It’s nothing personal. I try my best to use it at the Party level and keep it away from any individuals here, for whom I have no animosity. Sometimes, I fail. I apologize. Maybe I should stop, but on the other hand, if Trump/Cruz become President, you’ll have become inured to the new national motto that will replace e pluribus unum.
When Trump says he wants America to win, there is a whole lot of “f8ck off” therein contained.
You see those photo ops all the time of powerful people in government and business in the midst of negotiations. The trained smiles. They just got done telling each other to “F*ck off!” Sometimes a mic is hot, a la Cheney and Bush, if you remember.
Speaking of which, that’s why Trump’s word for “No” is also “Nein”, because racial nativism is all the leverage he has.
Just saying, it’s a sticky wicket at the end of the primrose path we’ve been led down.
Way too many moving parts.
I get it.
hairshirthedonist has discoursed me and I kind of liked it.
hairshirthedonist has discoursed me and I kind of liked it.
hairshirthedonist has discoursed me and I kind of liked it.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-big-global-risk-terrorism-112926847.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-big-global-risk-terrorism-112926847.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-big-global-risk-terrorism-112926847.html
“The two sides are not the same. And, quite notably, in their use of rhetoric that abets violence.”
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left, despite your opinion on the equivalency of the rhetoric.
“The two sides are not the same. And, quite notably, in their use of rhetoric that abets violence.”
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left, despite your opinion on the equivalency of the rhetoric.
“The two sides are not the same. And, quite notably, in their use of rhetoric that abets violence.”
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left, despite your opinion on the equivalency of the rhetoric.
Lest we crown Trump the biggest monster of them all before the deadline, let’s not forget who a good part of the fascist rioting right is rallying to:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/frank-gaffney-ted-cruz-campaign
Lest we crown Trump the biggest monster of them all before the deadline, let’s not forget who a good part of the fascist rioting right is rallying to:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/frank-gaffney-ted-cruz-campaign
Lest we crown Trump the biggest monster of them all before the deadline, let’s not forget who a good part of the fascist rioting right is rallying to:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/frank-gaffney-ted-cruz-campaign
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left, despite your opinion on the equivalency of the rhetoric.
Tell it to Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber.
Out-of-power groups do tend to resort to rioting, for lack of other options, and people on the left do generally sympathize more with out-of-power groups than those on the right. That doesn’t make rioting a “tool of the left.”
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left, despite your opinion on the equivalency of the rhetoric.
Tell it to Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber.
Out-of-power groups do tend to resort to rioting, for lack of other options, and people on the left do generally sympathize more with out-of-power groups than those on the right. That doesn’t make rioting a “tool of the left.”
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left, despite your opinion on the equivalency of the rhetoric.
Tell it to Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber.
Out-of-power groups do tend to resort to rioting, for lack of other options, and people on the left do generally sympathize more with out-of-power groups than those on the right. That doesn’t make rioting a “tool of the left.”
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
could you name some groups who do these things ?
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
could you name some groups who do these things ?
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
could you name some groups who do these things ?
And furthermore!!! Let’s not make this some abstract discussion about the left and right over the course of history. We’re talking about someone who’s currently running for president and who appears to be very likely to be nominated by the GOP. This isn’t some fringe character or a guy sitting at the end of the bar 8 beers in.
Trump is a viable presidential candidate. His response to the potential for riots if he isn’t nominated hasn’t been, let’s say, the most responsible.
“If I don’t get nominated, you know, there could be trouble. I’m not saying that’s what I want, but it’s, you know, something you might want to avoid, if you get my drift. Things happen.” *wink wink*
And furthermore!!! Let’s not make this some abstract discussion about the left and right over the course of history. We’re talking about someone who’s currently running for president and who appears to be very likely to be nominated by the GOP. This isn’t some fringe character or a guy sitting at the end of the bar 8 beers in.
Trump is a viable presidential candidate. His response to the potential for riots if he isn’t nominated hasn’t been, let’s say, the most responsible.
“If I don’t get nominated, you know, there could be trouble. I’m not saying that’s what I want, but it’s, you know, something you might want to avoid, if you get my drift. Things happen.” *wink wink*
And furthermore!!! Let’s not make this some abstract discussion about the left and right over the course of history. We’re talking about someone who’s currently running for president and who appears to be very likely to be nominated by the GOP. This isn’t some fringe character or a guy sitting at the end of the bar 8 beers in.
Trump is a viable presidential candidate. His response to the potential for riots if he isn’t nominated hasn’t been, let’s say, the most responsible.
“If I don’t get nominated, you know, there could be trouble. I’m not saying that’s what I want, but it’s, you know, something you might want to avoid, if you get my drift. Things happen.” *wink wink*
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
What freaking “left” are you talking about?
The Weathermen? SDS? Abbie Hoffman? Dead, in jail, or too freaking old to give a crap anymore.
I have to say that I have no idea, whatsoever, what you are talking about. It’s been a generation, really more like two, since any of the things you are talking about were, remotely, true.
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
What freaking “left” are you talking about?
The Weathermen? SDS? Abbie Hoffman? Dead, in jail, or too freaking old to give a crap anymore.
I have to say that I have no idea, whatsoever, what you are talking about. It’s been a generation, really more like two, since any of the things you are talking about were, remotely, true.
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
What freaking “left” are you talking about?
The Weathermen? SDS? Abbie Hoffman? Dead, in jail, or too freaking old to give a crap anymore.
I have to say that I have no idea, whatsoever, what you are talking about. It’s been a generation, really more like two, since any of the things you are talking about were, remotely, true.
McVeigh and the Malheur crowd were just a little over-emotional:
http://therightscoop.com/trump-supporter-says-riots-arent-necessarily-a-bad-thing-then-says-oh-did-i-say-that/
I remember when the Symbionese Liberation Army, fresh from rioting, got a majority elected to Congress and Patty Hearst ran for President, but only made it to Secretary of the Interior.
It’s just like that time the single Occupy Protester got all emotional and pooped down the fender of a parked car and it was called a riot.
Millions died.
Please identify the rioter in this video:
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-pike-protest-settlement-2013-10
Abbie Hoffman couldn’t even get people to steal his book, entitled “Steal This Book”.
Trump craps on 50# paper and it flies off the shelves.
McVeigh and the Malheur crowd were just a little over-emotional:
http://therightscoop.com/trump-supporter-says-riots-arent-necessarily-a-bad-thing-then-says-oh-did-i-say-that/
I remember when the Symbionese Liberation Army, fresh from rioting, got a majority elected to Congress and Patty Hearst ran for President, but only made it to Secretary of the Interior.
It’s just like that time the single Occupy Protester got all emotional and pooped down the fender of a parked car and it was called a riot.
Millions died.
Please identify the rioter in this video:
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-pike-protest-settlement-2013-10
Abbie Hoffman couldn’t even get people to steal his book, entitled “Steal This Book”.
Trump craps on 50# paper and it flies off the shelves.
McVeigh and the Malheur crowd were just a little over-emotional:
http://therightscoop.com/trump-supporter-says-riots-arent-necessarily-a-bad-thing-then-says-oh-did-i-say-that/
I remember when the Symbionese Liberation Army, fresh from rioting, got a majority elected to Congress and Patty Hearst ran for President, but only made it to Secretary of the Interior.
It’s just like that time the single Occupy Protester got all emotional and pooped down the fender of a parked car and it was called a riot.
Millions died.
Please identify the rioter in this video:
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-pike-protest-settlement-2013-10
Abbie Hoffman couldn’t even get people to steal his book, entitled “Steal This Book”.
Trump craps on 50# paper and it flies off the shelves.
So Russell, where have there been actual riots in the last year? How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
Flash forward, right wing guys take over forestry land, how many right wing politicians showed up to say it was ok? None. Then they got shot, how many right wing politicians condemned the police? None. F%ck the Weathermen, what are you talking about?
So Russell, where have there been actual riots in the last year? How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
Flash forward, right wing guys take over forestry land, how many right wing politicians showed up to say it was ok? None. Then they got shot, how many right wing politicians condemned the police? None. F%ck the Weathermen, what are you talking about?
So Russell, where have there been actual riots in the last year? How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
Flash forward, right wing guys take over forestry land, how many right wing politicians showed up to say it was ok? None. Then they got shot, how many right wing politicians condemned the police? None. F%ck the Weathermen, what are you talking about?
Generally, they’ve “stood with” peaceful protesters, not rioters. Give us a quote of a high-profile Democrat supporting riots.
Generally, they’ve “stood with” peaceful protesters, not rioters. Give us a quote of a high-profile Democrat supporting riots.
Generally, they’ve “stood with” peaceful protesters, not rioters. Give us a quote of a high-profile Democrat supporting riots.
Obviously, Marty thinks that if a black person is outside talking there’s a riot goin’ on.
Obviously, Marty thinks that if a black person is outside talking there’s a riot goin’ on.
Obviously, Marty thinks that if a black person is outside talking there’s a riot goin’ on.
Ah, we’re talking about Ferguson and Baltimore. I’m in agreement with hairshirt.
You seem to have forgotten the excellent adventures at the Bundy Ranch. Not just rioting, but free-lance vigilantes training their weapons on federal officers.
Cliven was something of a folk hero in conservative circles – including among (R) office holders, at both state and national levels – until he screwed up and told us all about the Negro.
A faux pas, that. Violent insurrection is OK, as long as it stays PC, I guess.
Ah, we’re talking about Ferguson and Baltimore. I’m in agreement with hairshirt.
You seem to have forgotten the excellent adventures at the Bundy Ranch. Not just rioting, but free-lance vigilantes training their weapons on federal officers.
Cliven was something of a folk hero in conservative circles – including among (R) office holders, at both state and national levels – until he screwed up and told us all about the Negro.
A faux pas, that. Violent insurrection is OK, as long as it stays PC, I guess.
Ah, we’re talking about Ferguson and Baltimore. I’m in agreement with hairshirt.
You seem to have forgotten the excellent adventures at the Bundy Ranch. Not just rioting, but free-lance vigilantes training their weapons on federal officers.
Cliven was something of a folk hero in conservative circles – including among (R) office holders, at both state and national levels – until he screwed up and told us all about the Negro.
A faux pas, that. Violent insurrection is OK, as long as it stays PC, I guess.
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
vs
How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
which is it: are the left supporters or participants?
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
vs
How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
which is it: are the left supporters or participants?
But actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property are at least equally the tools of the left
vs
How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
which is it: are the left supporters or participants?
So Russell, where have there been actual riots in the last year? How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
You need to be a little more specific about who you’re talking about when you say ‘them’.
‘Standing with’ non-violent protestors isn’t the same thing as employing ‘actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property’ as a ‘tool’.
And I’m not sure where you’re getting the ‘armed protest’ thing from. That’s pretty much an exclusively right-wing tactic, nowadays.
So Russell, where have there been actual riots in the last year? How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
You need to be a little more specific about who you’re talking about when you say ‘them’.
‘Standing with’ non-violent protestors isn’t the same thing as employing ‘actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property’ as a ‘tool’.
And I’m not sure where you’re getting the ‘armed protest’ thing from. That’s pretty much an exclusively right-wing tactic, nowadays.
So Russell, where have there been actual riots in the last year? How many Democratic politicians and surrogates “stood with” them. On tv. Supporting them.
You need to be a little more specific about who you’re talking about when you say ‘them’.
‘Standing with’ non-violent protestors isn’t the same thing as employing ‘actual violence, riots, armed protest, destruction of property’ as a ‘tool’.
And I’m not sure where you’re getting the ‘armed protest’ thing from. That’s pretty much an exclusively right-wing tactic, nowadays.
Flash forward, right wing guys take over forestry land, how many right wing politicians showed up to say it was ok? None.
http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/northwest-lawmakers-visit-malheur-refuge-fact-finding-mission
You also realize that Cruz and Rubio used Malheur in their Nevada ads
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/19/3751233/ted-cruz-public-lands-ad/
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/01/07/3736838/marco-rubio-oregon-takeover/
I feel confident that if Oregon’s primary were occurring during Malheur, they would have stopped by. In fact, if the nomination were still undecided in May, I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of whoever is left made a photo stop there to decry government tyranny.
I also notice that you generally get into trouble when you answer your own questions. You may want to avoid it.
Flash forward, right wing guys take over forestry land, how many right wing politicians showed up to say it was ok? None.
http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/northwest-lawmakers-visit-malheur-refuge-fact-finding-mission
You also realize that Cruz and Rubio used Malheur in their Nevada ads
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/19/3751233/ted-cruz-public-lands-ad/
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/01/07/3736838/marco-rubio-oregon-takeover/
I feel confident that if Oregon’s primary were occurring during Malheur, they would have stopped by. In fact, if the nomination were still undecided in May, I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of whoever is left made a photo stop there to decry government tyranny.
I also notice that you generally get into trouble when you answer your own questions. You may want to avoid it.
Flash forward, right wing guys take over forestry land, how many right wing politicians showed up to say it was ok? None.
http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/northwest-lawmakers-visit-malheur-refuge-fact-finding-mission
You also realize that Cruz and Rubio used Malheur in their Nevada ads
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/19/3751233/ted-cruz-public-lands-ad/
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/01/07/3736838/marco-rubio-oregon-takeover/
I feel confident that if Oregon’s primary were occurring during Malheur, they would have stopped by. In fact, if the nomination were still undecided in May, I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of whoever is left made a photo stop there to decry government tyranny.
I also notice that you generally get into trouble when you answer your own questions. You may want to avoid it.
Wow:
On Wednesday, Donald Trump was asked whom he consults with on matters of foreign policy. “I’m speaking with myself, No. 1, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things,” Trump replied.
So, Trump’s top national-security adviser — his own reflection shouting back at him from a mirror — doesn’t inspire much confidence. Ted Cruz’s top national-security adviser inspires even less.
On Thursday, Cruz revealed his national-security advisory team. The first name on the list? Frank “Obama is a Muslim” Gaffney, Bloomberg reports. Gaffney is the Joe McCarthy of Islamophobia. His think tank, the Center for Security Policy, is dedicated to raising awareness about the jihadist infiltration of the American government. For Gaffney, Barack Hussein Obama is but the tip of the iceberg — in truth, the Muslim Brotherhood has placed operatives throughout the federal government. Among their top agents: Clinton adviser Huma Abedin and anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist.
Wow:
On Wednesday, Donald Trump was asked whom he consults with on matters of foreign policy. “I’m speaking with myself, No. 1, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things,” Trump replied.
So, Trump’s top national-security adviser — his own reflection shouting back at him from a mirror — doesn’t inspire much confidence. Ted Cruz’s top national-security adviser inspires even less.
On Thursday, Cruz revealed his national-security advisory team. The first name on the list? Frank “Obama is a Muslim” Gaffney, Bloomberg reports. Gaffney is the Joe McCarthy of Islamophobia. His think tank, the Center for Security Policy, is dedicated to raising awareness about the jihadist infiltration of the American government. For Gaffney, Barack Hussein Obama is but the tip of the iceberg — in truth, the Muslim Brotherhood has placed operatives throughout the federal government. Among their top agents: Clinton adviser Huma Abedin and anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist.
Wow:
On Wednesday, Donald Trump was asked whom he consults with on matters of foreign policy. “I’m speaking with myself, No. 1, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things,” Trump replied.
So, Trump’s top national-security adviser — his own reflection shouting back at him from a mirror — doesn’t inspire much confidence. Ted Cruz’s top national-security adviser inspires even less.
On Thursday, Cruz revealed his national-security advisory team. The first name on the list? Frank “Obama is a Muslim” Gaffney, Bloomberg reports. Gaffney is the Joe McCarthy of Islamophobia. His think tank, the Center for Security Policy, is dedicated to raising awareness about the jihadist infiltration of the American government. For Gaffney, Barack Hussein Obama is but the tip of the iceberg — in truth, the Muslim Brotherhood has placed operatives throughout the federal government. Among their top agents: Clinton adviser Huma Abedin and anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist.
Marty @ 11:50 am – Mostly I’ve stayed out of this owing to my consistent “what Russell said” attitude. But I live in Oregon, and monitored the standoff at Malhuer on a daily basis from beginning to end. And you are wrong on this point, Marty. Politicians did show up:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/
I am on lunch break while attending a computer class at the moment, so I don’t have time to go searching for more links. But rest assured that the occupation drew in a number of pols from around the Northwest.
I will also point out that Nevada Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore flew up here to Portland with the intent of going down to Malheur to show support for the seditionists. Instead she wound up helping to talk David Fry down from his ‘suicide by cop’ ledge. This was God’s work IMHO (& bless her for it), but she came with the intention of showing her support for what the Bundy gang was doing.
Also, it should be noted a single individual was shot (and understandably so, if you watch the combined video of the OSP aerial footage as synchronized with the cell phone footage shot from the back seat of Mr. Finicum’s truck), not “they”. The Bundy gang was en route from the Burns area up to John Day to hold a community meeting sanctioned by Sheriff Glenn Palmer.*
Your use of the word “none” was incorrect application of the term.
*In the video I reference, you can hear Finicum repeatedly state, as if it were a talisman, “I’m going to see the Sheriff”. I don’t claim to understand the sov cit mindset nor to be able to make sense of their wacky legal ideas, but I have been led to believe that to these folks the local sheriff is the final arbiter of the law when outside of the geographical boundaries of Washington D.C.
Marty @ 11:50 am – Mostly I’ve stayed out of this owing to my consistent “what Russell said” attitude. But I live in Oregon, and monitored the standoff at Malhuer on a daily basis from beginning to end. And you are wrong on this point, Marty. Politicians did show up:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/
I am on lunch break while attending a computer class at the moment, so I don’t have time to go searching for more links. But rest assured that the occupation drew in a number of pols from around the Northwest.
I will also point out that Nevada Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore flew up here to Portland with the intent of going down to Malheur to show support for the seditionists. Instead she wound up helping to talk David Fry down from his ‘suicide by cop’ ledge. This was God’s work IMHO (& bless her for it), but she came with the intention of showing her support for what the Bundy gang was doing.
Also, it should be noted a single individual was shot (and understandably so, if you watch the combined video of the OSP aerial footage as synchronized with the cell phone footage shot from the back seat of Mr. Finicum’s truck), not “they”. The Bundy gang was en route from the Burns area up to John Day to hold a community meeting sanctioned by Sheriff Glenn Palmer.*
Your use of the word “none” was incorrect application of the term.
*In the video I reference, you can hear Finicum repeatedly state, as if it were a talisman, “I’m going to see the Sheriff”. I don’t claim to understand the sov cit mindset nor to be able to make sense of their wacky legal ideas, but I have been led to believe that to these folks the local sheriff is the final arbiter of the law when outside of the geographical boundaries of Washington D.C.
Marty @ 11:50 am – Mostly I’ve stayed out of this owing to my consistent “what Russell said” attitude. But I live in Oregon, and monitored the standoff at Malhuer on a daily basis from beginning to end. And you are wrong on this point, Marty. Politicians did show up:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/
I am on lunch break while attending a computer class at the moment, so I don’t have time to go searching for more links. But rest assured that the occupation drew in a number of pols from around the Northwest.
I will also point out that Nevada Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore flew up here to Portland with the intent of going down to Malheur to show support for the seditionists. Instead she wound up helping to talk David Fry down from his ‘suicide by cop’ ledge. This was God’s work IMHO (& bless her for it), but she came with the intention of showing her support for what the Bundy gang was doing.
Also, it should be noted a single individual was shot (and understandably so, if you watch the combined video of the OSP aerial footage as synchronized with the cell phone footage shot from the back seat of Mr. Finicum’s truck), not “they”. The Bundy gang was en route from the Burns area up to John Day to hold a community meeting sanctioned by Sheriff Glenn Palmer.*
Your use of the word “none” was incorrect application of the term.
*In the video I reference, you can hear Finicum repeatedly state, as if it were a talisman, “I’m going to see the Sheriff”. I don’t claim to understand the sov cit mindset nor to be able to make sense of their wacky legal ideas, but I have been led to believe that to these folks the local sheriff is the final arbiter of the law when outside of the geographical boundaries of Washington D.C.
Finally, good old Sheriff Palmer is facing some heat as a result of his actions during the standoff:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/grant-county-sheriff-glenn-palmerdoj-investigation/
Nor was he trusted by other LEO’s during the takeover:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/grant_county_sheriff_viewed_as.html
Sheriff Palmer was elected obviously.
Finally, good old Sheriff Palmer is facing some heat as a result of his actions during the standoff:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/grant-county-sheriff-glenn-palmerdoj-investigation/
Nor was he trusted by other LEO’s during the takeover:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/grant_county_sheriff_viewed_as.html
Sheriff Palmer was elected obviously.
Finally, good old Sheriff Palmer is facing some heat as a result of his actions during the standoff:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/grant-county-sheriff-glenn-palmerdoj-investigation/
Nor was he trusted by other LEO’s during the takeover:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/grant_county_sheriff_viewed_as.html
Sheriff Palmer was elected obviously.
worn, That was an interesting article, I wasn’t aware of the extent of elected officials involvement, outside Fiore. I believe that their participation was unacceptable beyond any specific help given to the FBI at their request. I certainly equate what they did to those who supported the protests in Ferguson. Completely unacceptable messages that their actions could be justified.
The ongoing involvement of COWS seems to constitute an unacceptable level of support for these actions. I think that the FBI has a responsibility to follow up and they should stfu. I am pleased to see the FBi investigating local law enforcement for their part in aiding the terrorists.
worn, That was an interesting article, I wasn’t aware of the extent of elected officials involvement, outside Fiore. I believe that their participation was unacceptable beyond any specific help given to the FBI at their request. I certainly equate what they did to those who supported the protests in Ferguson. Completely unacceptable messages that their actions could be justified.
The ongoing involvement of COWS seems to constitute an unacceptable level of support for these actions. I think that the FBI has a responsibility to follow up and they should stfu. I am pleased to see the FBi investigating local law enforcement for their part in aiding the terrorists.
worn, That was an interesting article, I wasn’t aware of the extent of elected officials involvement, outside Fiore. I believe that their participation was unacceptable beyond any specific help given to the FBI at their request. I certainly equate what they did to those who supported the protests in Ferguson. Completely unacceptable messages that their actions could be justified.
The ongoing involvement of COWS seems to constitute an unacceptable level of support for these actions. I think that the FBI has a responsibility to follow up and they should stfu. I am pleased to see the FBi investigating local law enforcement for their part in aiding the terrorists.
If you’re running for the office of President of the United States of America, and you expect riots to occur if you’re not nominated, you should be making it very, very clear that you do not approve of people rioting and you should be strongly discoursing people from doing so.
But HSH, that would be, you know, leadership.
Which is chancy, when your campaign is based on seeing a parade, running to the front, and then claiming that you are leading it. You can’t try to change the parade route on your “followers”, because you realize they will not follow. And you claim to be leading the parade will collapse.
Specifically, Trump simply cannot denounce violence, and ask his supporters to refrain. Because that is what a big chunk of them are all about: violence against those that (in their view) are not giving them what they want.
If you’re running for the office of President of the United States of America, and you expect riots to occur if you’re not nominated, you should be making it very, very clear that you do not approve of people rioting and you should be strongly discoursing people from doing so.
But HSH, that would be, you know, leadership.
Which is chancy, when your campaign is based on seeing a parade, running to the front, and then claiming that you are leading it. You can’t try to change the parade route on your “followers”, because you realize they will not follow. And you claim to be leading the parade will collapse.
Specifically, Trump simply cannot denounce violence, and ask his supporters to refrain. Because that is what a big chunk of them are all about: violence against those that (in their view) are not giving them what they want.
If you’re running for the office of President of the United States of America, and you expect riots to occur if you’re not nominated, you should be making it very, very clear that you do not approve of people rioting and you should be strongly discoursing people from doing so.
But HSH, that would be, you know, leadership.
Which is chancy, when your campaign is based on seeing a parade, running to the front, and then claiming that you are leading it. You can’t try to change the parade route on your “followers”, because you realize they will not follow. And you claim to be leading the parade will collapse.
Specifically, Trump simply cannot denounce violence, and ask his supporters to refrain. Because that is what a big chunk of them are all about: violence against those that (in their view) are not giving them what they want.
I will never be free of this damned discoursing thing.
I will never be free of this damned discoursing thing.
I will never be free of this damned discoursing thing.
I certainly equate what they did to those who supported the protests in Ferguson.
Protests? I thought they were riots.
I certainly equate what they did to those who supported the protests in Ferguson.
Protests? I thought they were riots.
I certainly equate what they did to those who supported the protests in Ferguson.
Protests? I thought they were riots.
Why couldn’t they be both protests and riots? After all, if you have 1,000 people protesting, and a dozen of them start rioting, don’t you have a 1,000 person riot? Even though only 1% of the protestors are rioting.
Seems like that is how the news tends to report it. Especially when there are nice dramatic photographs of burning cars or stores being looted. (It’s one of the few times that conservatives love the MSM. 😉
Why couldn’t they be both protests and riots? After all, if you have 1,000 people protesting, and a dozen of them start rioting, don’t you have a 1,000 person riot? Even though only 1% of the protestors are rioting.
Seems like that is how the news tends to report it. Especially when there are nice dramatic photographs of burning cars or stores being looted. (It’s one of the few times that conservatives love the MSM. 😉
Why couldn’t they be both protests and riots? After all, if you have 1,000 people protesting, and a dozen of them start rioting, don’t you have a 1,000 person riot? Even though only 1% of the protestors are rioting.
Seems like that is how the news tends to report it. Especially when there are nice dramatic photographs of burning cars or stores being looted. (It’s one of the few times that conservatives love the MSM. 😉
Protests? I thought they were riots.
Let’s call it a ‘tweener: Righteous protests.
But I digress.
Protests? I thought they were riots.
Let’s call it a ‘tweener: Righteous protests.
But I digress.
Protests? I thought they were riots.
Let’s call it a ‘tweener: Righteous protests.
But I digress.
“Among their top agents: Clinton adviser Huma Abedin and anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist.”
Norquist is an anti-tax, anti-IRS jihadist whose pledges anti-tax, anti-IRS jihadist Cruz has signed in triplicate.
I think what has happened is that the Republican Party has added so many groups to their list of hated enemies in this country that they’ve run out of targets, including the RINOs and their little dogs too, so the only thing left is to hate on each other.
Isn’t this how all Zombie Apocalypses end. The zombies run out of fresh meat and are forced to feed on each other.
Or maybe it’s like Bill Sikes in Oliver Twist, whose mean, beaten dog Bull’s Eye finally turns on him when the former tries to drown the cur for being a witness and confederate to his cruelties.
“Among their top agents: Clinton adviser Huma Abedin and anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist.”
Norquist is an anti-tax, anti-IRS jihadist whose pledges anti-tax, anti-IRS jihadist Cruz has signed in triplicate.
I think what has happened is that the Republican Party has added so many groups to their list of hated enemies in this country that they’ve run out of targets, including the RINOs and their little dogs too, so the only thing left is to hate on each other.
Isn’t this how all Zombie Apocalypses end. The zombies run out of fresh meat and are forced to feed on each other.
Or maybe it’s like Bill Sikes in Oliver Twist, whose mean, beaten dog Bull’s Eye finally turns on him when the former tries to drown the cur for being a witness and confederate to his cruelties.
“Among their top agents: Clinton adviser Huma Abedin and anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist.”
Norquist is an anti-tax, anti-IRS jihadist whose pledges anti-tax, anti-IRS jihadist Cruz has signed in triplicate.
I think what has happened is that the Republican Party has added so many groups to their list of hated enemies in this country that they’ve run out of targets, including the RINOs and their little dogs too, so the only thing left is to hate on each other.
Isn’t this how all Zombie Apocalypses end. The zombies run out of fresh meat and are forced to feed on each other.
Or maybe it’s like Bill Sikes in Oliver Twist, whose mean, beaten dog Bull’s Eye finally turns on him when the former tries to drown the cur for being a witness and confederate to his cruelties.
Marty –
Thanks for the civil reply. I wrote the above in an abbreviated time frame & now that I’ve re-read it, it might have come off as a little more pointed than I intended.
But there are other – to my way of thinking at least – salient differences between Ferguson and Malheur. The one situation that comes immediately to mind was when the seditionists showed up at a local community meeting, all openly armed. According to reports out of Burns, they occupied the highest seats in the gymnasium; this was a strategic positioning that did not go unnoticed.
Here’s an interview Judge Steven Grasty* on how this informed his decision to cancel a second community meeting regarding the occupation (top SC link): http://www.opb.org/radio/programs/thinkoutloud/segment/harney-county-update-rebroadcast-jane-hirshfield/
*Grasty is the defacto county chair as well as being a judge.
I have not heard tale of any of the Ferguson protesters (that being a loose term that could also include any number of young men that opportunistically show up when the seeds of chaos are being sown) that showed up in the greater community evidencing that sort of menacing. But then again, I didn’t follow that story as closely as the one in my state. My guess from experience is that the police greatly restricted movement in and out of the area of unrest in Ferguson. Same as it ever was.
On the other hand, given how stark is the landscape of Harney County, the vast & barren area southeast of Burns especially, law enforcement knew exactly who the active participants in the takeover were. LEOs are still arresting folks who thought they had successfully slunk away under the cover of darkness.
Marty –
Thanks for the civil reply. I wrote the above in an abbreviated time frame & now that I’ve re-read it, it might have come off as a little more pointed than I intended.
But there are other – to my way of thinking at least – salient differences between Ferguson and Malheur. The one situation that comes immediately to mind was when the seditionists showed up at a local community meeting, all openly armed. According to reports out of Burns, they occupied the highest seats in the gymnasium; this was a strategic positioning that did not go unnoticed.
Here’s an interview Judge Steven Grasty* on how this informed his decision to cancel a second community meeting regarding the occupation (top SC link): http://www.opb.org/radio/programs/thinkoutloud/segment/harney-county-update-rebroadcast-jane-hirshfield/
*Grasty is the defacto county chair as well as being a judge.
I have not heard tale of any of the Ferguson protesters (that being a loose term that could also include any number of young men that opportunistically show up when the seeds of chaos are being sown) that showed up in the greater community evidencing that sort of menacing. But then again, I didn’t follow that story as closely as the one in my state. My guess from experience is that the police greatly restricted movement in and out of the area of unrest in Ferguson. Same as it ever was.
On the other hand, given how stark is the landscape of Harney County, the vast & barren area southeast of Burns especially, law enforcement knew exactly who the active participants in the takeover were. LEOs are still arresting folks who thought they had successfully slunk away under the cover of darkness.
Marty –
Thanks for the civil reply. I wrote the above in an abbreviated time frame & now that I’ve re-read it, it might have come off as a little more pointed than I intended.
But there are other – to my way of thinking at least – salient differences between Ferguson and Malheur. The one situation that comes immediately to mind was when the seditionists showed up at a local community meeting, all openly armed. According to reports out of Burns, they occupied the highest seats in the gymnasium; this was a strategic positioning that did not go unnoticed.
Here’s an interview Judge Steven Grasty* on how this informed his decision to cancel a second community meeting regarding the occupation (top SC link): http://www.opb.org/radio/programs/thinkoutloud/segment/harney-county-update-rebroadcast-jane-hirshfield/
*Grasty is the defacto county chair as well as being a judge.
I have not heard tale of any of the Ferguson protesters (that being a loose term that could also include any number of young men that opportunistically show up when the seeds of chaos are being sown) that showed up in the greater community evidencing that sort of menacing. But then again, I didn’t follow that story as closely as the one in my state. My guess from experience is that the police greatly restricted movement in and out of the area of unrest in Ferguson. Same as it ever was.
On the other hand, given how stark is the landscape of Harney County, the vast & barren area southeast of Burns especially, law enforcement knew exactly who the active participants in the takeover were. LEOs are still arresting folks who thought they had successfully slunk away under the cover of darkness.
And here’s a peek down into the ‘sovereign citizen’ bunnyhole:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/18/467204403/oregon-occupier-countersues-for-666-billion-citing-works-of-the-devil
It’s all there, the selective lower case as signifier of something, Article III vs Article IV courts, the United States being a corporation, etc. Or a taste of the syntax:
“I came to the assistance of Dwight Hammond and Steven Hammond who were taxpayers that were victimized by public officials (who earn a living from taxpayers) for being taxpayers. The public employees who persecuted, prosecuted and incarcerated Dwight and Steven Hammond for trying to be taxpayers committed crimes against our constitutional form of government, against our society, myself and my children.”
I do not believe she will win her case.
And here’s a peek down into the ‘sovereign citizen’ bunnyhole:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/18/467204403/oregon-occupier-countersues-for-666-billion-citing-works-of-the-devil
It’s all there, the selective lower case as signifier of something, Article III vs Article IV courts, the United States being a corporation, etc. Or a taste of the syntax:
“I came to the assistance of Dwight Hammond and Steven Hammond who were taxpayers that were victimized by public officials (who earn a living from taxpayers) for being taxpayers. The public employees who persecuted, prosecuted and incarcerated Dwight and Steven Hammond for trying to be taxpayers committed crimes against our constitutional form of government, against our society, myself and my children.”
I do not believe she will win her case.
And here’s a peek down into the ‘sovereign citizen’ bunnyhole:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/18/467204403/oregon-occupier-countersues-for-666-billion-citing-works-of-the-devil
It’s all there, the selective lower case as signifier of something, Article III vs Article IV courts, the United States being a corporation, etc. Or a taste of the syntax:
“I came to the assistance of Dwight Hammond and Steven Hammond who were taxpayers that were victimized by public officials (who earn a living from taxpayers) for being taxpayers. The public employees who persecuted, prosecuted and incarcerated Dwight and Steven Hammond for trying to be taxpayers committed crimes against our constitutional form of government, against our society, myself and my children.”
I do not believe she will win her case.
Imagine a political party that rants and raves against the tyranny of the EPA. Then imagine that party’s congresscriters assaulting the EPA for not sufficiently tyrannizing one of its pet governors. Now tell me whether brain-eating zombies could get a square meal, munching on a party like that.
–TP
Imagine a political party that rants and raves against the tyranny of the EPA. Then imagine that party’s congresscriters assaulting the EPA for not sufficiently tyrannizing one of its pet governors. Now tell me whether brain-eating zombies could get a square meal, munching on a party like that.
–TP
Imagine a political party that rants and raves against the tyranny of the EPA. Then imagine that party’s congresscriters assaulting the EPA for not sufficiently tyrannizing one of its pet governors. Now tell me whether brain-eating zombies could get a square meal, munching on a party like that.
–TP
And finally, for those interested, the synchronized video I mentioned earlier:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/lavoy-finicum-video-shooting-fbi-police/
I find it both chilling and exceptionally sad. I sincerely wish Mr. Finicum hadn’t chose the actions he did, as well as recklessly endangering many people, including the 18 year girl he had in the truck.
And finally, for those interested, the synchronized video I mentioned earlier:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/lavoy-finicum-video-shooting-fbi-police/
I find it both chilling and exceptionally sad. I sincerely wish Mr. Finicum hadn’t chose the actions he did, as well as recklessly endangering many people, including the 18 year girl he had in the truck.
And finally, for those interested, the synchronized video I mentioned earlier:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/lavoy-finicum-video-shooting-fbi-police/
I find it both chilling and exceptionally sad. I sincerely wish Mr. Finicum hadn’t chose the actions he did, as well as recklessly endangering many people, including the 18 year girl he had in the truck.
More on the Republican Party and its traitorous insurrection against the U.S. Government at the Malheur:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/
Also, from Balloon Juice, more along the lines of worn’s links:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/03/17/bundy-bunch-update/
Cliven Bundy now says he had nothing to do with the armed seige at his ranch two years ago, that people just showed up, he knows not why.
Cliven Bundy’s name comes up 20 years ago in “interesting” juxtaposition to the Oklahoma City bombing.
Do we see what happens when rabid dogs are not put down at the getgo?
http://www.govexec.com/feature/American-Tragedy/
Republican politicians, some still in high office, routinely hint at violence against the judicial branch of government:
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/002096.htm
Regarding the Oklahoma City bombing and my small connection with that Republican insurrectionist terrorism, which I have mentioned here over the years: A Federal Building in Denver that I had formerly worked in, but where my ex-wife and numerous good friends of mine worked at the time of the bombing, was cased as a possible target, according to law enforcement, by the McVeigh crew. It looks very similar to the Murrah Building. However, the building is on a federal gated installation, and thus rejected as a target.
However, the husband of a very dear friend of mine was among the murdered at the Murrah Building. He was sitting at his desk on an upper floor when the bomb went off. His body was found in the rubble, remarkably, without a mark on it. Most of his clothing, however, was blown off.
Don’t let that last bit get around because Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge, and Ted Cruz will report tomorrow that federal employees work naked while they are oppressing the citizenry.
Years before the rest of America had to put up with airport security searches and crotch grabbing because of al Qaeda and ISIS threats, employees at federal installations had their cars searched every morning for years just to go to f*cking work.
So, I think it’s accurate for me to say that simply because of who I worked for, I was among those who were stalked by home-grown red-blooded American terrorists.
Now, that bombing took place during a precursor to the current hate storm against government and the prime instigators of that earlier hate storm against lazy, overpaid, incompetent bureaucrats and their employer were Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey, Tom Delay, Grover Norquist, and their leftenant, John Kasich. Numerous other names could be added from the conservative political and media ranks.
To my mind, the lot of them remain unindicted co-conspirators in the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Their day will come. Unfortunately, because they got away with it 20 years ago, we now face the monstrosities we see before us, threatening even greater violence and mayhem.
Also, as far as I’m concerned, the Republican Party and its NRA paramilitary wing (and the Democratic Party has stood by like the hapless nothings they are) armed the violent militia forces that took over the Malheur with military grade weaponry.
Further, every utterance by conservative politicians and media smog monsters regarding the Second Amendment stresses the implied threat that they are armed to bring violence to government if it steps over numerous lines. In other words, they will me.
Only secondarily now is it mentioned that would kill me if I broke into their property.
They are the arms suppliers. Nothing new. They’ve armed everyone one way or another … Saddam Hussein, the Shiites, the Sunnis, the Israelis, the Saudis, why not spread it around here at home too?
The Democratic Party pitches in too.
So, to further belabor the question, What do we expect?
I mean, the Republicans arm the Oath Keepers and the Oath Keepers wanted to arm Black Lives Matter and the Ferguson protestors:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-oath-keeper-who-wants-to-arm-black-lives-matter-20160103
Black Lives Matter turned them down, but who knows how long that division will last.
Maybe not much longer and then Marty’s pipe dream that political violence has been evenly distributed among the political persuasions over these last decades will come true.
More on the Republican Party and its traitorous insurrection against the U.S. Government at the Malheur:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/
Also, from Balloon Juice, more along the lines of worn’s links:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/03/17/bundy-bunch-update/
Cliven Bundy now says he had nothing to do with the armed seige at his ranch two years ago, that people just showed up, he knows not why.
Cliven Bundy’s name comes up 20 years ago in “interesting” juxtaposition to the Oklahoma City bombing.
Do we see what happens when rabid dogs are not put down at the getgo?
http://www.govexec.com/feature/American-Tragedy/
Republican politicians, some still in high office, routinely hint at violence against the judicial branch of government:
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/002096.htm
Regarding the Oklahoma City bombing and my small connection with that Republican insurrectionist terrorism, which I have mentioned here over the years: A Federal Building in Denver that I had formerly worked in, but where my ex-wife and numerous good friends of mine worked at the time of the bombing, was cased as a possible target, according to law enforcement, by the McVeigh crew. It looks very similar to the Murrah Building. However, the building is on a federal gated installation, and thus rejected as a target.
However, the husband of a very dear friend of mine was among the murdered at the Murrah Building. He was sitting at his desk on an upper floor when the bomb went off. His body was found in the rubble, remarkably, without a mark on it. Most of his clothing, however, was blown off.
Don’t let that last bit get around because Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge, and Ted Cruz will report tomorrow that federal employees work naked while they are oppressing the citizenry.
Years before the rest of America had to put up with airport security searches and crotch grabbing because of al Qaeda and ISIS threats, employees at federal installations had their cars searched every morning for years just to go to f*cking work.
So, I think it’s accurate for me to say that simply because of who I worked for, I was among those who were stalked by home-grown red-blooded American terrorists.
Now, that bombing took place during a precursor to the current hate storm against government and the prime instigators of that earlier hate storm against lazy, overpaid, incompetent bureaucrats and their employer were Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey, Tom Delay, Grover Norquist, and their leftenant, John Kasich. Numerous other names could be added from the conservative political and media ranks.
To my mind, the lot of them remain unindicted co-conspirators in the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Their day will come. Unfortunately, because they got away with it 20 years ago, we now face the monstrosities we see before us, threatening even greater violence and mayhem.
Also, as far as I’m concerned, the Republican Party and its NRA paramilitary wing (and the Democratic Party has stood by like the hapless nothings they are) armed the violent militia forces that took over the Malheur with military grade weaponry.
Further, every utterance by conservative politicians and media smog monsters regarding the Second Amendment stresses the implied threat that they are armed to bring violence to government if it steps over numerous lines. In other words, they will me.
Only secondarily now is it mentioned that would kill me if I broke into their property.
They are the arms suppliers. Nothing new. They’ve armed everyone one way or another … Saddam Hussein, the Shiites, the Sunnis, the Israelis, the Saudis, why not spread it around here at home too?
The Democratic Party pitches in too.
So, to further belabor the question, What do we expect?
I mean, the Republicans arm the Oath Keepers and the Oath Keepers wanted to arm Black Lives Matter and the Ferguson protestors:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-oath-keeper-who-wants-to-arm-black-lives-matter-20160103
Black Lives Matter turned them down, but who knows how long that division will last.
Maybe not much longer and then Marty’s pipe dream that political violence has been evenly distributed among the political persuasions over these last decades will come true.
More on the Republican Party and its traitorous insurrection against the U.S. Government at the Malheur:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/
Also, from Balloon Juice, more along the lines of worn’s links:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/03/17/bundy-bunch-update/
Cliven Bundy now says he had nothing to do with the armed seige at his ranch two years ago, that people just showed up, he knows not why.
Cliven Bundy’s name comes up 20 years ago in “interesting” juxtaposition to the Oklahoma City bombing.
Do we see what happens when rabid dogs are not put down at the getgo?
http://www.govexec.com/feature/American-Tragedy/
Republican politicians, some still in high office, routinely hint at violence against the judicial branch of government:
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/002096.htm
Regarding the Oklahoma City bombing and my small connection with that Republican insurrectionist terrorism, which I have mentioned here over the years: A Federal Building in Denver that I had formerly worked in, but where my ex-wife and numerous good friends of mine worked at the time of the bombing, was cased as a possible target, according to law enforcement, by the McVeigh crew. It looks very similar to the Murrah Building. However, the building is on a federal gated installation, and thus rejected as a target.
However, the husband of a very dear friend of mine was among the murdered at the Murrah Building. He was sitting at his desk on an upper floor when the bomb went off. His body was found in the rubble, remarkably, without a mark on it. Most of his clothing, however, was blown off.
Don’t let that last bit get around because Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge, and Ted Cruz will report tomorrow that federal employees work naked while they are oppressing the citizenry.
Years before the rest of America had to put up with airport security searches and crotch grabbing because of al Qaeda and ISIS threats, employees at federal installations had their cars searched every morning for years just to go to f*cking work.
So, I think it’s accurate for me to say that simply because of who I worked for, I was among those who were stalked by home-grown red-blooded American terrorists.
Now, that bombing took place during a precursor to the current hate storm against government and the prime instigators of that earlier hate storm against lazy, overpaid, incompetent bureaucrats and their employer were Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey, Tom Delay, Grover Norquist, and their leftenant, John Kasich. Numerous other names could be added from the conservative political and media ranks.
To my mind, the lot of them remain unindicted co-conspirators in the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Their day will come. Unfortunately, because they got away with it 20 years ago, we now face the monstrosities we see before us, threatening even greater violence and mayhem.
Also, as far as I’m concerned, the Republican Party and its NRA paramilitary wing (and the Democratic Party has stood by like the hapless nothings they are) armed the violent militia forces that took over the Malheur with military grade weaponry.
Further, every utterance by conservative politicians and media smog monsters regarding the Second Amendment stresses the implied threat that they are armed to bring violence to government if it steps over numerous lines. In other words, they will me.
Only secondarily now is it mentioned that would kill me if I broke into their property.
They are the arms suppliers. Nothing new. They’ve armed everyone one way or another … Saddam Hussein, the Shiites, the Sunnis, the Israelis, the Saudis, why not spread it around here at home too?
The Democratic Party pitches in too.
So, to further belabor the question, What do we expect?
I mean, the Republicans arm the Oath Keepers and the Oath Keepers wanted to arm Black Lives Matter and the Ferguson protestors:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-oath-keeper-who-wants-to-arm-black-lives-matter-20160103
Black Lives Matter turned them down, but who knows how long that division will last.
Maybe not much longer and then Marty’s pipe dream that political violence has been evenly distributed among the political persuasions over these last decades will come true.
Apparently, butthole Ted Cruz is being coaxed into licking republican butthole on Capitol Hill, but is afraid his butthole supporters will abandon ship and lick butthole Trump’s butthole:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/cruz-between-rock-and-hard-place.html
Apparently, butthole Ted Cruz is being coaxed into licking republican butthole on Capitol Hill, but is afraid his butthole supporters will abandon ship and lick butthole Trump’s butthole:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/cruz-between-rock-and-hard-place.html
Apparently, butthole Ted Cruz is being coaxed into licking republican butthole on Capitol Hill, but is afraid his butthole supporters will abandon ship and lick butthole Trump’s butthole:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/cruz-between-rock-and-hard-place.html
Meanwhile, former Cruz butthole smoocher Sarah Palin, fresh from lipsynching into her new favorite butthole Donald Trump’s butthole, says spittooey to her former best butthole:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/furious-sarah-palin-unloads-on-former-pal-ted-cruz-as-a-half-term-us-senator-with-no-achievements/#.VuskXKrBrB4.facebook
Paul Ryan is so confused about whose butthole needs attention, that he may throw up his hands and dive headfirst up his own.
Meanwhile, former Cruz butthole smoocher Sarah Palin, fresh from lipsynching into her new favorite butthole Donald Trump’s butthole, says spittooey to her former best butthole:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/furious-sarah-palin-unloads-on-former-pal-ted-cruz-as-a-half-term-us-senator-with-no-achievements/#.VuskXKrBrB4.facebook
Paul Ryan is so confused about whose butthole needs attention, that he may throw up his hands and dive headfirst up his own.
Meanwhile, former Cruz butthole smoocher Sarah Palin, fresh from lipsynching into her new favorite butthole Donald Trump’s butthole, says spittooey to her former best butthole:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/furious-sarah-palin-unloads-on-former-pal-ted-cruz-as-a-half-term-us-senator-with-no-achievements/#.VuskXKrBrB4.facebook
Paul Ryan is so confused about whose butthole needs attention, that he may throw up his hands and dive headfirst up his own.
Cliven Bundy’s name comes up 20 years ago in “interesting” juxtaposition to the Oklahoma City bombing.
If the USA is going to waterboard people to get ‘actionable intelligence’ on terrorist activities, it should start with Terry Nichols, held in federal prison for his OKC bombing involvement. Get the names of the co-conspirators, and roll up the whole network.
Only then will the GOP see the light that “torture is ALWAYS wrong”, when most of their co-conspirators are in line to be strapped to the waterboard.
Win-Win!
Cliven Bundy’s name comes up 20 years ago in “interesting” juxtaposition to the Oklahoma City bombing.
If the USA is going to waterboard people to get ‘actionable intelligence’ on terrorist activities, it should start with Terry Nichols, held in federal prison for his OKC bombing involvement. Get the names of the co-conspirators, and roll up the whole network.
Only then will the GOP see the light that “torture is ALWAYS wrong”, when most of their co-conspirators are in line to be strapped to the waterboard.
Win-Win!
Cliven Bundy’s name comes up 20 years ago in “interesting” juxtaposition to the Oklahoma City bombing.
If the USA is going to waterboard people to get ‘actionable intelligence’ on terrorist activities, it should start with Terry Nichols, held in federal prison for his OKC bombing involvement. Get the names of the co-conspirators, and roll up the whole network.
Only then will the GOP see the light that “torture is ALWAYS wrong”, when most of their co-conspirators are in line to be strapped to the waterboard.
Win-Win!
Just looking at the text of the link that Count posted:
furious-sarah-palin-unloads-on-former-pal-ted-cruz-as-a-half-term-us-senator-with-no-achievements
That’s what you get when you shoot “Irony” from a helicopter.
Just looking at the text of the link that Count posted:
furious-sarah-palin-unloads-on-former-pal-ted-cruz-as-a-half-term-us-senator-with-no-achievements
That’s what you get when you shoot “Irony” from a helicopter.
Just looking at the text of the link that Count posted:
furious-sarah-palin-unloads-on-former-pal-ted-cruz-as-a-half-term-us-senator-with-no-achievements
That’s what you get when you shoot “Irony” from a helicopter.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/forget-trump-heres-whos-really-101500374.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/forget-trump-heres-whos-really-101500374.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/forget-trump-heres-whos-really-101500374.html
Count, the last one on the budget shows how ludicrous the whole discussion is. Ryan negotiated a top line budget number and the 40 Freedom Caucus members shot it down. The fragmenting of the GOP means we have dysfunctional government. And, as a one line footnote, the Democrats wont vote for it either.
So, when Pelosi needed GOP votes to pass a budget the GOP were just say no Republicans. When Ryan needs Dem votes, its the Freedom Caucuses fault.
Stupid sh*t.
Count, the last one on the budget shows how ludicrous the whole discussion is. Ryan negotiated a top line budget number and the 40 Freedom Caucus members shot it down. The fragmenting of the GOP means we have dysfunctional government. And, as a one line footnote, the Democrats wont vote for it either.
So, when Pelosi needed GOP votes to pass a budget the GOP were just say no Republicans. When Ryan needs Dem votes, its the Freedom Caucuses fault.
Stupid sh*t.
Count, the last one on the budget shows how ludicrous the whole discussion is. Ryan negotiated a top line budget number and the 40 Freedom Caucus members shot it down. The fragmenting of the GOP means we have dysfunctional government. And, as a one line footnote, the Democrats wont vote for it either.
So, when Pelosi needed GOP votes to pass a budget the GOP were just say no Republicans. When Ryan needs Dem votes, its the Freedom Caucuses fault.
Stupid sh*t.
if Ryan wants Dem votes he should put up something Dems like.
but he can’t do that.
if Ryan wants Dem votes he should put up something Dems like.
but he can’t do that.
if Ryan wants Dem votes he should put up something Dems like.
but he can’t do that.
Yup.
All three sides do it, I guess.
The 40 Freedom Tookis members throw Ryan an anvil.
It’s hard to tell yet whether the rope Pelosi is letting out to Ryan is a lifeline or a noose.
I can’t figure what she thinks she’s going to get in return from Ryan for a lifeline come next January.
I love that Ryan threw the Tookis members big cuts in children’s programs, thinking maybe Kali’s maw would be temporarily sated by having more little kid skulls added to its charm necklace.
I don’t bargain with John Galt.
Yup.
All three sides do it, I guess.
The 40 Freedom Tookis members throw Ryan an anvil.
It’s hard to tell yet whether the rope Pelosi is letting out to Ryan is a lifeline or a noose.
I can’t figure what she thinks she’s going to get in return from Ryan for a lifeline come next January.
I love that Ryan threw the Tookis members big cuts in children’s programs, thinking maybe Kali’s maw would be temporarily sated by having more little kid skulls added to its charm necklace.
I don’t bargain with John Galt.
Yup.
All three sides do it, I guess.
The 40 Freedom Tookis members throw Ryan an anvil.
It’s hard to tell yet whether the rope Pelosi is letting out to Ryan is a lifeline or a noose.
I can’t figure what she thinks she’s going to get in return from Ryan for a lifeline come next January.
I love that Ryan threw the Tookis members big cuts in children’s programs, thinking maybe Kali’s maw would be temporarily sated by having more little kid skulls added to its charm necklace.
I don’t bargain with John Galt.
The Donald: “I don’t want anything to happen to Fredo as long as my mother is alive.”
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C114US105D20150817&p=carson+says+trump+offered+him+a+position
As for Carson: “Look, I had no choice. I have to keep the grift going because obviously no one is ever going to let me near their brain tissue with sharp surgical implements again.”
The Donald: “I don’t want anything to happen to Fredo as long as my mother is alive.”
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C114US105D20150817&p=carson+says+trump+offered+him+a+position
As for Carson: “Look, I had no choice. I have to keep the grift going because obviously no one is ever going to let me near their brain tissue with sharp surgical implements again.”
The Donald: “I don’t want anything to happen to Fredo as long as my mother is alive.”
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C114US105D20150817&p=carson+says+trump+offered+him+a+position
As for Carson: “Look, I had no choice. I have to keep the grift going because obviously no one is ever going to let me near their brain tissue with sharp surgical implements again.”
I can’t figure what she thinks she’s going to get in return from Ryan for a lifeline come next January.
Perhaps she just thinks it’s the civilized way to behave?
I’ve got very little use for Pelosi’s political positions. But at least she shows willingness to make government, even government with which she has serious disagreements, actually work. Instead of just trying to blow up the place.
I can’t figure what she thinks she’s going to get in return from Ryan for a lifeline come next January.
Perhaps she just thinks it’s the civilized way to behave?
I’ve got very little use for Pelosi’s political positions. But at least she shows willingness to make government, even government with which she has serious disagreements, actually work. Instead of just trying to blow up the place.
I can’t figure what she thinks she’s going to get in return from Ryan for a lifeline come next January.
Perhaps she just thinks it’s the civilized way to behave?
I’ve got very little use for Pelosi’s political positions. But at least she shows willingness to make government, even government with which she has serious disagreements, actually work. Instead of just trying to blow up the place.
” But at least she shows willingness to make government, even government with which she has serious disagreements, actually work. Instead of just trying to blow up the place.”
This has not been in evidence ever. I don’t even understand how she gets a single person to believe this.
” But at least she shows willingness to make government, even government with which she has serious disagreements, actually work. Instead of just trying to blow up the place.”
This has not been in evidence ever. I don’t even understand how she gets a single person to believe this.
” But at least she shows willingness to make government, even government with which she has serious disagreements, actually work. Instead of just trying to blow up the place.”
This has not been in evidence ever. I don’t even understand how she gets a single person to believe this.
Here’s a fun quote on a slightly different health care topic.
At a Congressional hearing, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy was asked about her agency’s responsibility for preventing the mess with the Flint, Michigan water supply. She explained that, under the law Congress passed, states are in charge of enforcing drinking-water standards.
“The law?” Rep. Buddy Carter (R-Ga.) replied, contemptuously. “The law? I don’t think anybody here cares about the law.” (Emphasis added)
Glad we got that cleared up, Congressman.
See it here:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?406540-1/hearing-flint-michigan-water-contamination&live=&start=8665
Here’s a fun quote on a slightly different health care topic.
At a Congressional hearing, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy was asked about her agency’s responsibility for preventing the mess with the Flint, Michigan water supply. She explained that, under the law Congress passed, states are in charge of enforcing drinking-water standards.
“The law?” Rep. Buddy Carter (R-Ga.) replied, contemptuously. “The law? I don’t think anybody here cares about the law.” (Emphasis added)
Glad we got that cleared up, Congressman.
See it here:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?406540-1/hearing-flint-michigan-water-contamination&live=&start=8665
Here’s a fun quote on a slightly different health care topic.
At a Congressional hearing, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy was asked about her agency’s responsibility for preventing the mess with the Flint, Michigan water supply. She explained that, under the law Congress passed, states are in charge of enforcing drinking-water standards.
“The law?” Rep. Buddy Carter (R-Ga.) replied, contemptuously. “The law? I don’t think anybody here cares about the law.” (Emphasis added)
Glad we got that cleared up, Congressman.
See it here:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?406540-1/hearing-flint-michigan-water-contamination&live=&start=8665
“It was all Mrs. Bumble. She would do it,” urged Mr. Bumble; first looking round, to ascertain that his partner had left the room.
That is no excuse,” returned Mr. Brownlow. “You were present on the occasion of the destruction of these trinkets, and, indeed, are the more guilty of the two, in the eye of the law; for the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction.”
If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, “the law is a ass — a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience — by experience.” ‘
“It was all Mrs. Bumble. She would do it,” urged Mr. Bumble; first looking round, to ascertain that his partner had left the room.
That is no excuse,” returned Mr. Brownlow. “You were present on the occasion of the destruction of these trinkets, and, indeed, are the more guilty of the two, in the eye of the law; for the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction.”
If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, “the law is a ass — a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience — by experience.” ‘
“It was all Mrs. Bumble. She would do it,” urged Mr. Bumble; first looking round, to ascertain that his partner had left the room.
That is no excuse,” returned Mr. Brownlow. “You were present on the occasion of the destruction of these trinkets, and, indeed, are the more guilty of the two, in the eye of the law; for the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction.”
If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, “the law is a ass — a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience — by experience.” ‘
“I don’t even understand how she gets a single person to believe this.”
Henry Paulsen
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/nancy-pelosi-on-getting-the-tarp-votes-to-save-the-economy
On topic: In the long running both-sides-do-it Stalin vrs Hitler body count sweepstakes, while Stalin is still in the lead, efforts are underway to close the gap, because every time I hear a rightwinger say “well, Democrat Stalin killed more human beings than Adolph Hitler”, I detect an Avis-note of disappointment in their voices at the Fuhrer’s shortfall:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/17/david-duke-trump-makes-hitler-great-again.html
This election is the first one in American history that features dick size and fascist logo size all in one marvelous lollapalooza.
“I don’t even understand how she gets a single person to believe this.”
Henry Paulsen
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/nancy-pelosi-on-getting-the-tarp-votes-to-save-the-economy
On topic: In the long running both-sides-do-it Stalin vrs Hitler body count sweepstakes, while Stalin is still in the lead, efforts are underway to close the gap, because every time I hear a rightwinger say “well, Democrat Stalin killed more human beings than Adolph Hitler”, I detect an Avis-note of disappointment in their voices at the Fuhrer’s shortfall:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/17/david-duke-trump-makes-hitler-great-again.html
This election is the first one in American history that features dick size and fascist logo size all in one marvelous lollapalooza.
“I don’t even understand how she gets a single person to believe this.”
Henry Paulsen
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/nancy-pelosi-on-getting-the-tarp-votes-to-save-the-economy
On topic: In the long running both-sides-do-it Stalin vrs Hitler body count sweepstakes, while Stalin is still in the lead, efforts are underway to close the gap, because every time I hear a rightwinger say “well, Democrat Stalin killed more human beings than Adolph Hitler”, I detect an Avis-note of disappointment in their voices at the Fuhrer’s shortfall:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/17/david-duke-trump-makes-hitler-great-again.html
This election is the first one in American history that features dick size and fascist logo size all in one marvelous lollapalooza.
In the continuing saga of both-sides-do-it between the North and the South, Maryland finally changes the lyrics to its state song:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/maryland-moves-scrub-references-northern-scum-state-song
In retaliation, the good state of New York decided to retain the line “Hey, Murray, don’t forget to pack your suntan lotion when you move to Orlando”, in its state song.
In the continuing saga of both-sides-do-it between the North and the South, Maryland finally changes the lyrics to its state song:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/maryland-moves-scrub-references-northern-scum-state-song
In retaliation, the good state of New York decided to retain the line “Hey, Murray, don’t forget to pack your suntan lotion when you move to Orlando”, in its state song.
In the continuing saga of both-sides-do-it between the North and the South, Maryland finally changes the lyrics to its state song:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/maryland-moves-scrub-references-northern-scum-state-song
In retaliation, the good state of New York decided to retain the line “Hey, Murray, don’t forget to pack your suntan lotion when you move to Orlando”, in its state song.
Excise Northern Scum, and very few people would live in Texas. That does seem to me to be a reasonable change.
I have always been oddly fascinated by just how far north the Mason-Dixon line is. The “North” was really north, particularly in the East..
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7ndpxaDCc1ryk69eo1_1280.jpg
Excise Northern Scum, and very few people would live in Texas. That does seem to me to be a reasonable change.
I have always been oddly fascinated by just how far north the Mason-Dixon line is. The “North” was really north, particularly in the East..
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7ndpxaDCc1ryk69eo1_1280.jpg
Excise Northern Scum, and very few people would live in Texas. That does seem to me to be a reasonable change.
I have always been oddly fascinated by just how far north the Mason-Dixon line is. The “North” was really north, particularly in the East..
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7ndpxaDCc1ryk69eo1_1280.jpg
Had a grandfather who lived just north of Cincinnati:
https://rustbeltradical.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/cincinnati-weve-all-got-someplace-we-call-home/
When I was a teenager, the Mason-Dixon race line ran through the middle of his house and between where ever I was sitting and his armchair, from where I could feel his disease.
Except when we listened to Reds games on his old art deco Philco floor radio, with me lying on my stomach on the rug in front of it.
Then he was delighted when Frank Robinson and/or Vada Pinson hit a three-run dinger.
But if we had spotted one of them from the car walking down the sidewalk in their anonymous street clothes, he would sometimes note to me what they were, if you get my drift.
He was a mild-mannered, kind man otherwise. A heck of a second baseman in semi-pro ball when he was in his 20’s.
Cincinnati is still pretty rough in that respect.
Had a grandfather who lived just north of Cincinnati:
https://rustbeltradical.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/cincinnati-weve-all-got-someplace-we-call-home/
When I was a teenager, the Mason-Dixon race line ran through the middle of his house and between where ever I was sitting and his armchair, from where I could feel his disease.
Except when we listened to Reds games on his old art deco Philco floor radio, with me lying on my stomach on the rug in front of it.
Then he was delighted when Frank Robinson and/or Vada Pinson hit a three-run dinger.
But if we had spotted one of them from the car walking down the sidewalk in their anonymous street clothes, he would sometimes note to me what they were, if you get my drift.
He was a mild-mannered, kind man otherwise. A heck of a second baseman in semi-pro ball when he was in his 20’s.
Cincinnati is still pretty rough in that respect.
Had a grandfather who lived just north of Cincinnati:
https://rustbeltradical.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/cincinnati-weve-all-got-someplace-we-call-home/
When I was a teenager, the Mason-Dixon race line ran through the middle of his house and between where ever I was sitting and his armchair, from where I could feel his disease.
Except when we listened to Reds games on his old art deco Philco floor radio, with me lying on my stomach on the rug in front of it.
Then he was delighted when Frank Robinson and/or Vada Pinson hit a three-run dinger.
But if we had spotted one of them from the car walking down the sidewalk in their anonymous street clothes, he would sometimes note to me what they were, if you get my drift.
He was a mild-mannered, kind man otherwise. A heck of a second baseman in semi-pro ball when he was in his 20’s.
Cincinnati is still pretty rough in that respect.
It was a little like this, except the word wasn’t “black”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDuQzMsPxh4
It was a little like this, except the word wasn’t “black”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDuQzMsPxh4
It was a little like this, except the word wasn’t “black”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDuQzMsPxh4
He was a mild-mannered, kind man otherwise.
It’s something to ponder, how many people can be pretty f**king racist (or even really f**king racist), but otherwise good people – caring, generous, helpful, loving people. Humans are weird.
He was a mild-mannered, kind man otherwise.
It’s something to ponder, how many people can be pretty f**king racist (or even really f**king racist), but otherwise good people – caring, generous, helpful, loving people. Humans are weird.
He was a mild-mannered, kind man otherwise.
It’s something to ponder, how many people can be pretty f**king racist (or even really f**king racist), but otherwise good people – caring, generous, helpful, loving people. Humans are weird.
A heck of a second baseman in semi-pro ball when he was in his 20’s.
I’m struck by the parallel. My dad having spent a few years catching in the Cubs farm system back in the 1930s. Too bad it didn’t pay much of anything. (I, however, am about as non-athletic as one can be without being a total couch potato.)
A heck of a second baseman in semi-pro ball when he was in his 20’s.
I’m struck by the parallel. My dad having spent a few years catching in the Cubs farm system back in the 1930s. Too bad it didn’t pay much of anything. (I, however, am about as non-athletic as one can be without being a total couch potato.)
A heck of a second baseman in semi-pro ball when he was in his 20’s.
I’m struck by the parallel. My dad having spent a few years catching in the Cubs farm system back in the 1930s. Too bad it didn’t pay much of anything. (I, however, am about as non-athletic as one can be without being a total couch potato.)
Its (not) funny, I met a guy in Massachusetts a few months back and when He found out I was originally from Texas his next sentence was, I bet you really don’t like them (blacks) except the word wasn’t “black”.
I was dumbfounded, it was the first time I had heard the word in conversation in at least a decade. After assuring him I had no problem with blacks and I did have a problem with that word, he huffed off to never talk to me again….but did after a little while acting as if nothing had happened, which was better in the situation.
As much as I hear that word in songs and various other entertainment contexts it was shocking to hear it in that casually. It is a word I never heard my parents or grandparents use, oddly. I recall colored and Negro which seemed to be socially acceptable at different times.
Its (not) funny, I met a guy in Massachusetts a few months back and when He found out I was originally from Texas his next sentence was, I bet you really don’t like them (blacks) except the word wasn’t “black”.
I was dumbfounded, it was the first time I had heard the word in conversation in at least a decade. After assuring him I had no problem with blacks and I did have a problem with that word, he huffed off to never talk to me again….but did after a little while acting as if nothing had happened, which was better in the situation.
As much as I hear that word in songs and various other entertainment contexts it was shocking to hear it in that casually. It is a word I never heard my parents or grandparents use, oddly. I recall colored and Negro which seemed to be socially acceptable at different times.
Its (not) funny, I met a guy in Massachusetts a few months back and when He found out I was originally from Texas his next sentence was, I bet you really don’t like them (blacks) except the word wasn’t “black”.
I was dumbfounded, it was the first time I had heard the word in conversation in at least a decade. After assuring him I had no problem with blacks and I did have a problem with that word, he huffed off to never talk to me again….but did after a little while acting as if nothing had happened, which was better in the situation.
As much as I hear that word in songs and various other entertainment contexts it was shocking to hear it in that casually. It is a word I never heard my parents or grandparents use, oddly. I recall colored and Negro which seemed to be socially acceptable at different times.
I recall colored and Negro which seemed to be socially acceptable at different times.
“Colored” certainly wasn’t problematic back in the day. Witness its use in NAACP.
I recall colored and Negro which seemed to be socially acceptable at different times.
“Colored” certainly wasn’t problematic back in the day. Witness its use in NAACP.
I recall colored and Negro which seemed to be socially acceptable at different times.
“Colored” certainly wasn’t problematic back in the day. Witness its use in NAACP.
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inthat casuallyMy grandmother, for most of her life (or at least most of mine, since I was only around for part of hers) – born, raised and died in southern NJ – used the n-word as though it wasn’t even a slur. It was simply the word one used to describe people of mostly sub-Saharan African ancestry.
It was probably around the time I started having kids, and my wife and I made it clear we didn’t want to hear it, that she mostly knocked it off.
But for her early childhood and the last 3 or so days of her 93 years, no one ever had to take care of her. She was an incredible person, but pretty f**king racist.
My grandmother, for most of her life (or at least most of mine, since I was only around for part of hers) – born, raised and died in southern NJ – used the n-word as though it wasn’t even a slur. It was simply the word one used to describe people of mostly sub-Saharan African ancestry.
It was probably around the time I started having kids, and my wife and I made it clear we didn’t want to hear it, that she mostly knocked it off.
But for her early childhood and the last 3 or so days of her 93 years, no one ever had to take care of her. She was an incredible person, but pretty f**king racist.
My grandmother, for most of her life (or at least most of mine, since I was only around for part of hers) – born, raised and died in southern NJ – used the n-word as though it wasn’t even a slur. It was simply the word one used to describe people of mostly sub-Saharan African ancestry.
It was probably around the time I started having kids, and my wife and I made it clear we didn’t want to hear it, that she mostly knocked it off.
But for her early childhood and the last 3 or so days of her 93 years, no one ever had to take care of her. She was an incredible person, but pretty f**king racist.
when i was young, my grandparents taught me the … obsolete name for Brazil nuts. and it stuck, hard. even now i have to check myself from accidentally saying that name.
when i was young, my grandparents taught me the … obsolete name for Brazil nuts. and it stuck, hard. even now i have to check myself from accidentally saying that name.
when i was young, my grandparents taught me the … obsolete name for Brazil nuts. and it stuck, hard. even now i have to check myself from accidentally saying that name.
grandparents in N-central PA, that is.
grandparents in N-central PA, that is.
grandparents in N-central PA, that is.
wj, see if this rings bells.
My grandfather and my great uncle, who married my grandpa’s sister, grew up together near Middletown, Ohio, graduated high school together, and played semi-pro/sandlot baseball afterwards for years, the uncle a catcher.
They grew up with Charlie Root, who as a Cubbie pitcher in 1932 gave up the homer the Babe hit, before which pitch the latter pointed to the stands, calling it, though Root denied to his dying day that Ruth did any such thing, though ugh might like the story, and who doesn’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth's_called_shot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Root
Anywho, after my great uncle passed away (he was a minister in Baltimore) quite a few years ago at the ripe old age of 90-something, his daughter — my mother’s cousin — bequeathed me a baseball signed back in the day by Cubbies Root, Hack Wilson, Kiki Cuyler, and Gabby Hartnett (these last three Hall of Famers) and maybe another guy (it’s in the safe deposit box, one of my few treasures).
Root was born the year after my grandfather and I’m just noticing in the link he died the same year as my grandfather, 1970.
I also have my grandfather’s baseball (a heavy piece of lumber) AND softball bats, the latter with a carved skull and crossbones burned into it.
My grandfather played ball until he was in his early forties, retiring because he suffered from severe Osgood-Schlotter’s disease in one knee.
He played catch with me every time we visited, despite a pronounced limp. When I overthrew the ball into the woods or the next yard, I’d have to chase it.
When I was in my late thirties, I set a little private goal of playing competitive ball, base- and soft-, until I was older than he was when he quit, which I thought ridiculous at the time.
It’s 25 years since and I’m the center fielder on two baseball teams this summer, with two softball leagues to boot.
wj, see if this rings bells.
My grandfather and my great uncle, who married my grandpa’s sister, grew up together near Middletown, Ohio, graduated high school together, and played semi-pro/sandlot baseball afterwards for years, the uncle a catcher.
They grew up with Charlie Root, who as a Cubbie pitcher in 1932 gave up the homer the Babe hit, before which pitch the latter pointed to the stands, calling it, though Root denied to his dying day that Ruth did any such thing, though ugh might like the story, and who doesn’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth's_called_shot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Root
Anywho, after my great uncle passed away (he was a minister in Baltimore) quite a few years ago at the ripe old age of 90-something, his daughter — my mother’s cousin — bequeathed me a baseball signed back in the day by Cubbies Root, Hack Wilson, Kiki Cuyler, and Gabby Hartnett (these last three Hall of Famers) and maybe another guy (it’s in the safe deposit box, one of my few treasures).
Root was born the year after my grandfather and I’m just noticing in the link he died the same year as my grandfather, 1970.
I also have my grandfather’s baseball (a heavy piece of lumber) AND softball bats, the latter with a carved skull and crossbones burned into it.
My grandfather played ball until he was in his early forties, retiring because he suffered from severe Osgood-Schlotter’s disease in one knee.
He played catch with me every time we visited, despite a pronounced limp. When I overthrew the ball into the woods or the next yard, I’d have to chase it.
When I was in my late thirties, I set a little private goal of playing competitive ball, base- and soft-, until I was older than he was when he quit, which I thought ridiculous at the time.
It’s 25 years since and I’m the center fielder on two baseball teams this summer, with two softball leagues to boot.
wj, see if this rings bells.
My grandfather and my great uncle, who married my grandpa’s sister, grew up together near Middletown, Ohio, graduated high school together, and played semi-pro/sandlot baseball afterwards for years, the uncle a catcher.
They grew up with Charlie Root, who as a Cubbie pitcher in 1932 gave up the homer the Babe hit, before which pitch the latter pointed to the stands, calling it, though Root denied to his dying day that Ruth did any such thing, though ugh might like the story, and who doesn’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth's_called_shot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Root
Anywho, after my great uncle passed away (he was a minister in Baltimore) quite a few years ago at the ripe old age of 90-something, his daughter — my mother’s cousin — bequeathed me a baseball signed back in the day by Cubbies Root, Hack Wilson, Kiki Cuyler, and Gabby Hartnett (these last three Hall of Famers) and maybe another guy (it’s in the safe deposit box, one of my few treasures).
Root was born the year after my grandfather and I’m just noticing in the link he died the same year as my grandfather, 1970.
I also have my grandfather’s baseball (a heavy piece of lumber) AND softball bats, the latter with a carved skull and crossbones burned into it.
My grandfather played ball until he was in his early forties, retiring because he suffered from severe Osgood-Schlotter’s disease in one knee.
He played catch with me every time we visited, despite a pronounced limp. When I overthrew the ball into the woods or the next yard, I’d have to chase it.
When I was in my late thirties, I set a little private goal of playing competitive ball, base- and soft-, until I was older than he was when he quit, which I thought ridiculous at the time.
It’s 25 years since and I’m the center fielder on two baseball teams this summer, with two softball leagues to boot.
After assuring him I had no problem with blacks and I did have a problem with that word, he huffed off to never talk to me again…
Good on you. I know people who rather obviously are holding their tongue to not use “that word”. They’re typically the ones who go off on “political correctness.”
After assuring him I had no problem with blacks and I did have a problem with that word, he huffed off to never talk to me again…
Good on you. I know people who rather obviously are holding their tongue to not use “that word”. They’re typically the ones who go off on “political correctness.”
After assuring him I had no problem with blacks and I did have a problem with that word, he huffed off to never talk to me again…
Good on you. I know people who rather obviously are holding their tongue to not use “that word”. They’re typically the ones who go off on “political correctness.”
bobbyp, thanks but lets face it, I ain’t no saint. Under other, less direct, circumstances I might just let it go. A wink and a nudge in my presence without the blatant use of the word might mean I pretend not to get it so I don’t have the confrontation. I am sure I didn’t change his mind at all, except about me.
bobbyp, thanks but lets face it, I ain’t no saint. Under other, less direct, circumstances I might just let it go. A wink and a nudge in my presence without the blatant use of the word might mean I pretend not to get it so I don’t have the confrontation. I am sure I didn’t change his mind at all, except about me.
bobbyp, thanks but lets face it, I ain’t no saint. Under other, less direct, circumstances I might just let it go. A wink and a nudge in my presence without the blatant use of the word might mean I pretend not to get it so I don’t have the confrontation. I am sure I didn’t change his mind at all, except about me.
I met a guy in Massachusetts a few months back…
I first moved to the Boston area, from Philly, in the early 80’s. Some friends from Philly came to visit and we all went for a stroll around Boston Common.
After a few minutes, they turned to me and asked, “where are the black people?”.
It’s a blue state, but in some ways a backward and parochial one.
I met a guy in Massachusetts a few months back…
I first moved to the Boston area, from Philly, in the early 80’s. Some friends from Philly came to visit and we all went for a stroll around Boston Common.
After a few minutes, they turned to me and asked, “where are the black people?”.
It’s a blue state, but in some ways a backward and parochial one.
I met a guy in Massachusetts a few months back…
I first moved to the Boston area, from Philly, in the early 80’s. Some friends from Philly came to visit and we all went for a stroll around Boston Common.
After a few minutes, they turned to me and asked, “where are the black people?”.
It’s a blue state, but in some ways a backward and parochial one.
Maryland finally changes the lyrics to its state song
LOL
Baby steps, y’all.
Maryland finally changes the lyrics to its state song
LOL
Baby steps, y’all.
Maryland finally changes the lyrics to its state song
LOL
Baby steps, y’all.
I first moved to the Boston area, from Philly, in the early 80’s
Me too, from Texas. The heyday of Americas Technology Highway. so, did you move here for a job?
I first moved to the Boston area, from Philly, in the early 80’s
Me too, from Texas. The heyday of Americas Technology Highway. so, did you move here for a job?
I first moved to the Boston area, from Philly, in the early 80’s
Me too, from Texas. The heyday of Americas Technology Highway. so, did you move here for a job?
was I alone in hearing that the point of “Eeny, meeny, miny, moe”
was to try to catch a nickel by the toe?
was I alone in hearing that the point of “Eeny, meeny, miny, moe”
was to try to catch a nickel by the toe?
was I alone in hearing that the point of “Eeny, meeny, miny, moe”
was to try to catch a nickel by the toe?
Are you referring to the Pulp Fiction version, jeff?
Are you referring to the Pulp Fiction version, jeff?
Are you referring to the Pulp Fiction version, jeff?
When Democrats attack their own:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-zwolinski-illinois-house-candidate-says-opponents-supporters-attacked-him/
Could have been worse, they could have come at him with a swimming pool.
I contend a Republican would have used a nail gun, not a staple gun, so enough with the equivalency.
And this is just the primaries still.
When Democrats attack their own:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-zwolinski-illinois-house-candidate-says-opponents-supporters-attacked-him/
Could have been worse, they could have come at him with a swimming pool.
I contend a Republican would have used a nail gun, not a staple gun, so enough with the equivalency.
And this is just the primaries still.
When Democrats attack their own:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-zwolinski-illinois-house-candidate-says-opponents-supporters-attacked-him/
Could have been worse, they could have come at him with a swimming pool.
I contend a Republican would have used a nail gun, not a staple gun, so enough with the equivalency.
And this is just the primaries still.
I love this, making sure we know he doesn’t condone violence:
Glad he cleared that up.
I love this, making sure we know he doesn’t condone violence:
Glad he cleared that up.
I love this, making sure we know he doesn’t condone violence:
Glad he cleared that up.
so, did you move here for a job?
mostly friends and family, but the pretty-good job market was a bonus.
so, did you move here for a job?
mostly friends and family, but the pretty-good job market was a bonus.
so, did you move here for a job?
mostly friends and family, but the pretty-good job market was a bonus.
Our escape from subsistence has come at great cost (slavery, conquest, enclosure, imperialism, labor exploitation, and yes, tragically misguided untopianism). Having gotten to some semblance of abundance, there is simply no reason to continue incurring such dreadful cost.
There is a better way.
Our escape from subsistence has come at great cost (slavery, conquest, enclosure, imperialism, labor exploitation, and yes, tragically misguided untopianism). Having gotten to some semblance of abundance, there is simply no reason to continue incurring such dreadful cost.
There is a better way.
Our escape from subsistence has come at great cost (slavery, conquest, enclosure, imperialism, labor exploitation, and yes, tragically misguided untopianism). Having gotten to some semblance of abundance, there is simply no reason to continue incurring such dreadful cost.
There is a better way.
I blame alice.
I blame alice.
I blame alice.
When she’s 10 feet tall?
When she’s 10 feet tall?
When she’s 10 feet tall?
Cooper?
Cooper?
Cooper?
alice
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002036/
bobby’s cite name checks the bradys
alice
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002036/
bobby’s cite name checks the bradys
alice
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002036/
bobby’s cite name checks the bradys
On the original topic
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-nordic-countries/473385/
On the original topic
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-nordic-countries/473385/
On the original topic
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-nordic-countries/473385/
And on who killed more’ Hitler or Stalin–
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/
And on who killed more’ Hitler or Stalin–
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/
And on who killed more’ Hitler or Stalin–
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/
Thanks for both of those articles, Donald.
The author of the second cite is Timothy Snyder, author of “Bloodlands” and “Black Earth” , which I highly recommend for their relentless, forensically-detailed accounting of the meat grinder Hitler and Stalin created from Germany’s eastern border and well into western Russia during the World War II era.
In case its not apparent, I refer to and mock the inane Hitler versus Stalin body count competition that comes up periodically in this country’s political rhetoric, usually as a pretext to compare universal medical insurance schemes like Sanders’ to one or the other of those tyrants’ depredations, or both, because, you know, Hitler used the word Socialist and the first thing it is said he did was make sure the Jews, particularly Jews suspected of Communist sympathies, were provided exemplary universal medical care as some sort of first step to Treblinka, the clever jackboots.
I suppose for the sake of good will I should stop referring to that subject in my usual manner, but that along with excising the “f” word, comes close to a vow of silence for me, but it would free up time for other things … 😉
Thanks for both of those articles, Donald.
The author of the second cite is Timothy Snyder, author of “Bloodlands” and “Black Earth” , which I highly recommend for their relentless, forensically-detailed accounting of the meat grinder Hitler and Stalin created from Germany’s eastern border and well into western Russia during the World War II era.
In case its not apparent, I refer to and mock the inane Hitler versus Stalin body count competition that comes up periodically in this country’s political rhetoric, usually as a pretext to compare universal medical insurance schemes like Sanders’ to one or the other of those tyrants’ depredations, or both, because, you know, Hitler used the word Socialist and the first thing it is said he did was make sure the Jews, particularly Jews suspected of Communist sympathies, were provided exemplary universal medical care as some sort of first step to Treblinka, the clever jackboots.
I suppose for the sake of good will I should stop referring to that subject in my usual manner, but that along with excising the “f” word, comes close to a vow of silence for me, but it would free up time for other things … 😉
Thanks for both of those articles, Donald.
The author of the second cite is Timothy Snyder, author of “Bloodlands” and “Black Earth” , which I highly recommend for their relentless, forensically-detailed accounting of the meat grinder Hitler and Stalin created from Germany’s eastern border and well into western Russia during the World War II era.
In case its not apparent, I refer to and mock the inane Hitler versus Stalin body count competition that comes up periodically in this country’s political rhetoric, usually as a pretext to compare universal medical insurance schemes like Sanders’ to one or the other of those tyrants’ depredations, or both, because, you know, Hitler used the word Socialist and the first thing it is said he did was make sure the Jews, particularly Jews suspected of Communist sympathies, were provided exemplary universal medical care as some sort of first step to Treblinka, the clever jackboots.
I suppose for the sake of good will I should stop referring to that subject in my usual manner, but that along with excising the “f” word, comes close to a vow of silence for me, but it would free up time for other things … 😉
A slick, very successful and quick-witted con man, who in recent decades has applied many thick coats of the feces body wash our political discourse now sports feels a bit undone and outdone:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/debriefing-mike-murphy/article/2001632
A slick, very successful and quick-witted con man, who in recent decades has applied many thick coats of the feces body wash our political discourse now sports feels a bit undone and outdone:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/debriefing-mike-murphy/article/2001632
A slick, very successful and quick-witted con man, who in recent decades has applied many thick coats of the feces body wash our political discourse now sports feels a bit undone and outdone:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/debriefing-mike-murphy/article/2001632
who killed more’ Hitler or Stalin
Donald’s link gives 9 million and 12 million for Hitler and Stalin respectively. Other sources figure Hitler at 17 million and Stalin at 23 million. In contrast, estimates of the numbers killed by Mao run 30-45 million. (Or maybe upwards of 70 million, depending on how you figure them.) Just the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution racked up 20 million.
So why are we even talking about Hitler and Stalin? They were pikers!
who killed more’ Hitler or Stalin
Donald’s link gives 9 million and 12 million for Hitler and Stalin respectively. Other sources figure Hitler at 17 million and Stalin at 23 million. In contrast, estimates of the numbers killed by Mao run 30-45 million. (Or maybe upwards of 70 million, depending on how you figure them.) Just the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution racked up 20 million.
So why are we even talking about Hitler and Stalin? They were pikers!
who killed more’ Hitler or Stalin
Donald’s link gives 9 million and 12 million for Hitler and Stalin respectively. Other sources figure Hitler at 17 million and Stalin at 23 million. In contrast, estimates of the numbers killed by Mao run 30-45 million. (Or maybe upwards of 70 million, depending on how you figure them.) Just the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution racked up 20 million.
So why are we even talking about Hitler and Stalin? They were pikers!
Yes, Mao.
There you go.
His government was a prime example of how some decent success in reducing infectious diseases, like schistosomiasis, via government action can lead directly down the slippery slope to the killing fields.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4990242
Cure them and then kill them, he (meaning me) concluded with his tongue firmly in cheek.
Death Palins.
Yes, Mao.
There you go.
His government was a prime example of how some decent success in reducing infectious diseases, like schistosomiasis, via government action can lead directly down the slippery slope to the killing fields.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4990242
Cure them and then kill them, he (meaning me) concluded with his tongue firmly in cheek.
Death Palins.
Yes, Mao.
There you go.
His government was a prime example of how some decent success in reducing infectious diseases, like schistosomiasis, via government action can lead directly down the slippery slope to the killing fields.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4990242
Cure them and then kill them, he (meaning me) concluded with his tongue firmly in cheek.
Death Palins.
Cruzamaniac Glenn Beck goes after Trump for demeaning women:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-beck-defends-megyn-kelly
I now that Mao demeaned even more women, but Beck’s outrage is a bit rich:
BECK: I wonder what it would be like, seriously. I mean, if I could go, you know, to the speaker’s shindig, wouldn’t that be great? What would it — oh, look, here she — oh, she is — wow — you’re so much prettier and flatter and shinier in the face than I expected. It’s almost like you’re two people at once.
So, Speaker Pelosi, I just wanted to — you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those eyes not work? There you — I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink it. Drink it.
I really just wanted to thank you for having me over here to wine country. You know, to be invited, I thought I had to be a major Democratic donor or a longtime friend of yours, which I’m not.
By the way, I put poison in your — no, I — I look forward to all the policy discussions that we’re supposed to have — you know, on health care, energy reform, and the economy.
Hey, is that Sean Penn over there? I know it cost me more than $30,000 to get in here, but hey. Hey, I think I see Ed Markey, the author of cap and trade, right over there. [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 8/6/09]
Cruzamaniac Glenn Beck goes after Trump for demeaning women:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-beck-defends-megyn-kelly
I now that Mao demeaned even more women, but Beck’s outrage is a bit rich:
BECK: I wonder what it would be like, seriously. I mean, if I could go, you know, to the speaker’s shindig, wouldn’t that be great? What would it — oh, look, here she — oh, she is — wow — you’re so much prettier and flatter and shinier in the face than I expected. It’s almost like you’re two people at once.
So, Speaker Pelosi, I just wanted to — you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those eyes not work? There you — I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink it. Drink it.
I really just wanted to thank you for having me over here to wine country. You know, to be invited, I thought I had to be a major Democratic donor or a longtime friend of yours, which I’m not.
By the way, I put poison in your — no, I — I look forward to all the policy discussions that we’re supposed to have — you know, on health care, energy reform, and the economy.
Hey, is that Sean Penn over there? I know it cost me more than $30,000 to get in here, but hey. Hey, I think I see Ed Markey, the author of cap and trade, right over there. [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 8/6/09]
Cruzamaniac Glenn Beck goes after Trump for demeaning women:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-beck-defends-megyn-kelly
I now that Mao demeaned even more women, but Beck’s outrage is a bit rich:
BECK: I wonder what it would be like, seriously. I mean, if I could go, you know, to the speaker’s shindig, wouldn’t that be great? What would it — oh, look, here she — oh, she is — wow — you’re so much prettier and flatter and shinier in the face than I expected. It’s almost like you’re two people at once.
So, Speaker Pelosi, I just wanted to — you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind? Do those eyes not work? There you — I want you to drink it now. Drink it. Drink it. Drink it.
I really just wanted to thank you for having me over here to wine country. You know, to be invited, I thought I had to be a major Democratic donor or a longtime friend of yours, which I’m not.
By the way, I put poison in your — no, I — I look forward to all the policy discussions that we’re supposed to have — you know, on health care, energy reform, and the economy.
Hey, is that Sean Penn over there? I know it cost me more than $30,000 to get in here, but hey. Hey, I think I see Ed Markey, the author of cap and trade, right over there. [Fox News, Glenn Beck, 8/6/09]
I can’t think where the electorate’s anger these past election cycles comes from:
Must be Obama’s fault:
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/19/1503343/-Republican-governor-of-Alabama-guts-state-services-gives-his-staff-80-pay-raises-for-doing-it
I can’t think where the electorate’s anger these past election cycles comes from:
Must be Obama’s fault:
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/19/1503343/-Republican-governor-of-Alabama-guts-state-services-gives-his-staff-80-pay-raises-for-doing-it
I can’t think where the electorate’s anger these past election cycles comes from:
Must be Obama’s fault:
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/19/1503343/-Republican-governor-of-Alabama-guts-state-services-gives-his-staff-80-pay-raises-for-doing-it