by Ugh
And so it begins. Predictions? Thoughts? Winners/losers? Will Donald's hairpiece walk off the stage? Who will make the most outrageous statement? Who helped most/least?
My prediction: Mr. Trump "wins" hands down. Jeb Bush's popularity goes down. Scott Walker will say the most insane thing and his popularity will soar because of it.
Anyway, enjoy the show! Open Thread.
Or both!
Or both!
Or both!
it’s going to be 10 guys trying to spit out snippets of their stump speeches before the timer runs out.
it will be the most boring TV ever.
it’s going to be 10 guys trying to spit out snippets of their stump speeches before the timer runs out.
it will be the most boring TV ever.
it’s going to be 10 guys trying to spit out snippets of their stump speeches before the timer runs out.
it will be the most boring TV ever.
It will be a shoutfest between Trump and Christie, to see who can most blatantly violate the debate rules: running over, talking over the other candidates, making personal attacks.
NY vs NJ, if you will. Ya gotta problem wi’ that?
It will be a shoutfest between Trump and Christie, to see who can most blatantly violate the debate rules: running over, talking over the other candidates, making personal attacks.
NY vs NJ, if you will. Ya gotta problem wi’ that?
It will be a shoutfest between Trump and Christie, to see who can most blatantly violate the debate rules: running over, talking over the other candidates, making personal attacks.
NY vs NJ, if you will. Ya gotta problem wi’ that?
or maybe Trump and Jeb! will rain blows upon each other!
or maybe Trump and Jeb! will rain blows upon each other!
or maybe Trump and Jeb! will rain blows upon each other!
I’m hoping that, with the resumption of diplomatic relations between the USA and Cuba, Fidel Castro sneaks into the studio audience just so he can give a shout-out to Cruz and Rubio.
At some point, Trump is gonna have to tell somebody that they are fired.
I’m hoping that, with the resumption of diplomatic relations between the USA and Cuba, Fidel Castro sneaks into the studio audience just so he can give a shout-out to Cruz and Rubio.
At some point, Trump is gonna have to tell somebody that they are fired.
I’m hoping that, with the resumption of diplomatic relations between the USA and Cuba, Fidel Castro sneaks into the studio audience just so he can give a shout-out to Cruz and Rubio.
At some point, Trump is gonna have to tell somebody that they are fired.
The CNN article linked to above:
Donald Trump loves the spotlight and the camera.
But when he takes center stage Thursday night, it won’t be as the star of a reality TV show — it will be as the Republican Party’s front-runner presidential candidate.
But isn’t this very much a reality TV show?
The CNN article linked to above:
Donald Trump loves the spotlight and the camera.
But when he takes center stage Thursday night, it won’t be as the star of a reality TV show — it will be as the Republican Party’s front-runner presidential candidate.
But isn’t this very much a reality TV show?
The CNN article linked to above:
Donald Trump loves the spotlight and the camera.
But when he takes center stage Thursday night, it won’t be as the star of a reality TV show — it will be as the Republican Party’s front-runner presidential candidate.
But isn’t this very much a reality TV show?
The other thing that is bound to happen:
At some point, John Kasich will speak, and the other candidates will turn, look at him, and ask in unison, “Who is that guy?”
The other thing that is bound to happen:
At some point, John Kasich will speak, and the other candidates will turn, look at him, and ask in unison, “Who is that guy?”
The other thing that is bound to happen:
At some point, John Kasich will speak, and the other candidates will turn, look at him, and ask in unison, “Who is that guy?”
And, for your viewing pleasure, “Rare” (whatever that is) offers an occasion-specific drinking game.
And, for your viewing pleasure, “Rare” (whatever that is) offers an occasion-specific drinking game.
And, for your viewing pleasure, “Rare” (whatever that is) offers an occasion-specific drinking game.
I was going to say “You couldn’t pay me enough to watch,” but on reflection, that’s not true. I’m sure someone could pay me enough to watch. I’m just not sure (1) who that “someone” might be; and (2) how much is “enough.”
I was going to say “You couldn’t pay me enough to watch,” but on reflection, that’s not true. I’m sure someone could pay me enough to watch. I’m just not sure (1) who that “someone” might be; and (2) how much is “enough.”
I was going to say “You couldn’t pay me enough to watch,” but on reflection, that’s not true. I’m sure someone could pay me enough to watch. I’m just not sure (1) who that “someone” might be; and (2) how much is “enough.”
talking about money I found this map to be interesting.
https://cmdi.com/2015/07/the-state-battle-for-campaign-cash/
talking about money I found this map to be interesting.
https://cmdi.com/2015/07/the-state-battle-for-campaign-cash/
talking about money I found this map to be interesting.
https://cmdi.com/2015/07/the-state-battle-for-campaign-cash/
The Economist has a lovely blog post
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/08/daily-chart-0
which includes a column giving the question that each candidate would love to be asked, and the one each candidate would hate to be asked. Fun!
The Economist has a lovely blog post
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/08/daily-chart-0
which includes a column giving the question that each candidate would love to be asked, and the one each candidate would hate to be asked. Fun!
The Economist has a lovely blog post
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/08/daily-chart-0
which includes a column giving the question that each candidate would love to be asked, and the one each candidate would hate to be asked. Fun!
I shall play this drinking game
http://rare.us/story/heres-the-official-rare-drinking-game-for-the-first-republican-presidential-debate/
I shall play this drinking game
http://rare.us/story/heres-the-official-rare-drinking-game-for-the-first-republican-presidential-debate/
I shall play this drinking game
http://rare.us/story/heres-the-official-rare-drinking-game-for-the-first-republican-presidential-debate/
Jeff, wouldn’t it be simpler to just get passing-out drunk before the debate starts? That way, you wouldn’t have to keep track of what comments warranted another dring….
Jeff, wouldn’t it be simpler to just get passing-out drunk before the debate starts? That way, you wouldn’t have to keep track of what comments warranted another dring….
Jeff, wouldn’t it be simpler to just get passing-out drunk before the debate starts? That way, you wouldn’t have to keep track of what comments warranted another dring….
Simpler, or more pleasant?
Simpler, or more pleasant?
Simpler, or more pleasant?
I no longer drink anything harder than hard cider, yet I still have little expectation of making it past the halftime commercial break before I start snoozing
I no longer drink anything harder than hard cider, yet I still have little expectation of making it past the halftime commercial break before I start snoozing
I no longer drink anything harder than hard cider, yet I still have little expectation of making it past the halftime commercial break before I start snoozing
Jessica Williams on Jon Stewart last night re-interviewed some infamous characters from previous shows, who take themselves ever-so seriously, as only a set of creatures can who have been embraced as the basest of the base voter by the republican party over the years, which itself has transformed politics in this country from only slightly cockamamie to utterly full of sh*t in a little less than a generation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-proves-interviews-were-real_55c1fbbbe4b0f7f0bebaf11e
My prediction for the debate tonight, which I won’t be watching, because I’ve already made-it-up, is that the ten creme de la creme of conservative sadism, stupidity and terminal penis envy putinization will as one raise their water glasses to wet their whistles as the FOX debate moderators (enablers?) ask whether each of them believe the black conservative pastor’s theory (upchucked very near the close of the interviews in the clip above) regarding the ingredients of Starbuck’s lattes might be accurate.
The ten malignant, mal-adjusted malificients will, in unison, perform a ten-man spittake, spraying the stage and the onlookers three rows back, before getting their wits about them, adjusting their ties, and answering with an eye to not offending (always politically correct little sh*ts) the base voter who believes this kind of stuff and who might prevent the candidate who doesn’t dignify the question from making the scum-line cut for the next round of debates.
Another prediction: with Steve Colbert, Stewart, and Key and Peele now removed from providing a satirical cushion to kind of mediate these types of views so invigorating to the conservative base in this country with laughter, I predict the black pastor, the gun nut, and others of this ilk will run for republican office in, maybe in 2016, but surely in the 2018 midterms, and some will win and take office to “govern” us, their shirts off and their weapons unholstered, bacon sizzling on the red-hot barrel.
A couple of the clowns in the clip would not look out of place among the ten going at it tonight.
They’d be huge and surge in tomorrow’s polls.
I, as a passive participant, as a so-called exceptional American, complicit in this colossal, seriously malignant display of malevolence, am a disgrace for witnessing these ten f*cks compete to tell us, with vicious glee, how they are going to f*ck and hate great numbers of their fellow Americans and our institutions, and for not converging on tonight’s venue and burning it down, which I think Benjamin Franklin, by now, would approve of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYYAeSWOlI
Jessica Williams on Jon Stewart last night re-interviewed some infamous characters from previous shows, who take themselves ever-so seriously, as only a set of creatures can who have been embraced as the basest of the base voter by the republican party over the years, which itself has transformed politics in this country from only slightly cockamamie to utterly full of sh*t in a little less than a generation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-proves-interviews-were-real_55c1fbbbe4b0f7f0bebaf11e
My prediction for the debate tonight, which I won’t be watching, because I’ve already made-it-up, is that the ten creme de la creme of conservative sadism, stupidity and terminal penis envy putinization will as one raise their water glasses to wet their whistles as the FOX debate moderators (enablers?) ask whether each of them believe the black conservative pastor’s theory (upchucked very near the close of the interviews in the clip above) regarding the ingredients of Starbuck’s lattes might be accurate.
The ten malignant, mal-adjusted malificients will, in unison, perform a ten-man spittake, spraying the stage and the onlookers three rows back, before getting their wits about them, adjusting their ties, and answering with an eye to not offending (always politically correct little sh*ts) the base voter who believes this kind of stuff and who might prevent the candidate who doesn’t dignify the question from making the scum-line cut for the next round of debates.
Another prediction: with Steve Colbert, Stewart, and Key and Peele now removed from providing a satirical cushion to kind of mediate these types of views so invigorating to the conservative base in this country with laughter, I predict the black pastor, the gun nut, and others of this ilk will run for republican office in, maybe in 2016, but surely in the 2018 midterms, and some will win and take office to “govern” us, their shirts off and their weapons unholstered, bacon sizzling on the red-hot barrel.
A couple of the clowns in the clip would not look out of place among the ten going at it tonight.
They’d be huge and surge in tomorrow’s polls.
I, as a passive participant, as a so-called exceptional American, complicit in this colossal, seriously malignant display of malevolence, am a disgrace for witnessing these ten f*cks compete to tell us, with vicious glee, how they are going to f*ck and hate great numbers of their fellow Americans and our institutions, and for not converging on tonight’s venue and burning it down, which I think Benjamin Franklin, by now, would approve of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYYAeSWOlI
Jessica Williams on Jon Stewart last night re-interviewed some infamous characters from previous shows, who take themselves ever-so seriously, as only a set of creatures can who have been embraced as the basest of the base voter by the republican party over the years, which itself has transformed politics in this country from only slightly cockamamie to utterly full of sh*t in a little less than a generation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-proves-interviews-were-real_55c1fbbbe4b0f7f0bebaf11e
My prediction for the debate tonight, which I won’t be watching, because I’ve already made-it-up, is that the ten creme de la creme of conservative sadism, stupidity and terminal penis envy putinization will as one raise their water glasses to wet their whistles as the FOX debate moderators (enablers?) ask whether each of them believe the black conservative pastor’s theory (upchucked very near the close of the interviews in the clip above) regarding the ingredients of Starbuck’s lattes might be accurate.
The ten malignant, mal-adjusted malificients will, in unison, perform a ten-man spittake, spraying the stage and the onlookers three rows back, before getting their wits about them, adjusting their ties, and answering with an eye to not offending (always politically correct little sh*ts) the base voter who believes this kind of stuff and who might prevent the candidate who doesn’t dignify the question from making the scum-line cut for the next round of debates.
Another prediction: with Steve Colbert, Stewart, and Key and Peele now removed from providing a satirical cushion to kind of mediate these types of views so invigorating to the conservative base in this country with laughter, I predict the black pastor, the gun nut, and others of this ilk will run for republican office in, maybe in 2016, but surely in the 2018 midterms, and some will win and take office to “govern” us, their shirts off and their weapons unholstered, bacon sizzling on the red-hot barrel.
A couple of the clowns in the clip would not look out of place among the ten going at it tonight.
They’d be huge and surge in tomorrow’s polls.
I, as a passive participant, as a so-called exceptional American, complicit in this colossal, seriously malignant display of malevolence, am a disgrace for witnessing these ten f*cks compete to tell us, with vicious glee, how they are going to f*ck and hate great numbers of their fellow Americans and our institutions, and for not converging on tonight’s venue and burning it down, which I think Benjamin Franklin, by now, would approve of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYYAeSWOlI
As a good Democrat, I have rounded up 40 GOP primary votes, so I have to watch. I’m leaning toward “write-in candidate”.
Shots and beers all lined up ready to go.
As a good Democrat, I have rounded up 40 GOP primary votes, so I have to watch. I’m leaning toward “write-in candidate”.
Shots and beers all lined up ready to go.
As a good Democrat, I have rounded up 40 GOP primary votes, so I have to watch. I’m leaning toward “write-in candidate”.
Shots and beers all lined up ready to go.
WRT drinking games tonight, a satirical website provides what is actually a fairly sensible warning.
WRT drinking games tonight, a satirical website provides what is actually a fairly sensible warning.
WRT drinking games tonight, a satirical website provides what is actually a fairly sensible warning.
I met my first Trump supporter in the flesh last night, an otherwise reasonable-seeming 30-year old woman. A friend continued engaging with her, but I eased away from the bar to avoid blurting out something that might be mean-spirited.
I met my first Trump supporter in the flesh last night, an otherwise reasonable-seeming 30-year old woman. A friend continued engaging with her, but I eased away from the bar to avoid blurting out something that might be mean-spirited.
I met my first Trump supporter in the flesh last night, an otherwise reasonable-seeming 30-year old woman. A friend continued engaging with her, but I eased away from the bar to avoid blurting out something that might be mean-spirited.
they finally asked Carson a question!
they finally asked Carson a question!
they finally asked Carson a question!
Carson: If torture takes place and nobody knows about it, who cares?
fuckin’ presidential if you ask me!
Shot. Beer.
Carson: If torture takes place and nobody knows about it, who cares?
fuckin’ presidential if you ask me!
Shot. Beer.
Carson: If torture takes place and nobody knows about it, who cares?
fuckin’ presidential if you ask me!
Shot. Beer.
You guys ruin drinking with this shallow expression of fascism?
I’m going to listen to some Jeff Beck.
You guys ruin drinking with this shallow expression of fascism?
I’m going to listen to some Jeff Beck.
You guys ruin drinking with this shallow expression of fascism?
I’m going to listen to some Jeff Beck.
I keep seeing comments that Fiorina was the run-away winner of the pre-debate. Which says something, and not something good, about the rest of the candidates there.
As anybody who watched her campaign for the Senate in California will be aware, she would be a disasterous candidate. I mean, you have to be pretty bad to run as a moderate and still lose to Barbara Boxer.
Admittedly, part of that could be the number of people in California who were aware of just how badly she trashed Hewlett Packard while she was CEO there. HP is still trying to recover. But the rest of the country might manage to avoid becoming aware of that.
I keep seeing comments that Fiorina was the run-away winner of the pre-debate. Which says something, and not something good, about the rest of the candidates there.
As anybody who watched her campaign for the Senate in California will be aware, she would be a disasterous candidate. I mean, you have to be pretty bad to run as a moderate and still lose to Barbara Boxer.
Admittedly, part of that could be the number of people in California who were aware of just how badly she trashed Hewlett Packard while she was CEO there. HP is still trying to recover. But the rest of the country might manage to avoid becoming aware of that.
I keep seeing comments that Fiorina was the run-away winner of the pre-debate. Which says something, and not something good, about the rest of the candidates there.
As anybody who watched her campaign for the Senate in California will be aware, she would be a disasterous candidate. I mean, you have to be pretty bad to run as a moderate and still lose to Barbara Boxer.
Admittedly, part of that could be the number of people in California who were aware of just how badly she trashed Hewlett Packard while she was CEO there. HP is still trying to recover. But the rest of the country might manage to avoid becoming aware of that.
(OT, but not entirely so.)
This is interesting:
http://chronicle.com/article/Black-Silent-Majority/231983/
I remember TNC reviewing Michelle Alexander’s book and not being entirely convinced by it. Might precipitate an enlightening debate – though it could equally devolve into an argument between those who believe US mass incarceration is acceptable and those who are (IMO opinion rightly) appalled by it.
(OT, but not entirely so.)
This is interesting:
http://chronicle.com/article/Black-Silent-Majority/231983/
I remember TNC reviewing Michelle Alexander’s book and not being entirely convinced by it. Might precipitate an enlightening debate – though it could equally devolve into an argument between those who believe US mass incarceration is acceptable and those who are (IMO opinion rightly) appalled by it.
(OT, but not entirely so.)
This is interesting:
http://chronicle.com/article/Black-Silent-Majority/231983/
I remember TNC reviewing Michelle Alexander’s book and not being entirely convinced by it. Might precipitate an enlightening debate – though it could equally devolve into an argument between those who believe US mass incarceration is acceptable and those who are (IMO opinion rightly) appalled by it.
wj: those who appreciated HP’s line of high-quality test equipment will NEVER forgive Fiorina.
Plenty of those folks in the Bay area, but also worldwide.
wj: those who appreciated HP’s line of high-quality test equipment will NEVER forgive Fiorina.
Plenty of those folks in the Bay area, but also worldwide.
wj: those who appreciated HP’s line of high-quality test equipment will NEVER forgive Fiorina.
Plenty of those folks in the Bay area, but also worldwide.
I didn’t watch the debate; I watched the reaction to the debate.
Establishment types seem to rate Kasich and Rubio as the winners. Nobody gives a damn, because the big story is that nothing happened to take out Trump and he seems to have emerged stronger. And the other big story is Jeb Bush: Loser.
I didn’t watch the debate; I watched the reaction to the debate.
Establishment types seem to rate Kasich and Rubio as the winners. Nobody gives a damn, because the big story is that nothing happened to take out Trump and he seems to have emerged stronger. And the other big story is Jeb Bush: Loser.
I didn’t watch the debate; I watched the reaction to the debate.
Establishment types seem to rate Kasich and Rubio as the winners. Nobody gives a damn, because the big story is that nothing happened to take out Trump and he seems to have emerged stronger. And the other big story is Jeb Bush: Loser.
The only thing worse than being caught up in a Clownfight? LOSING the Clownfight.
The only thing worse than being caught up in a Clownfight? LOSING the Clownfight.
The only thing worse than being caught up in a Clownfight? LOSING the Clownfight.
Well, judging by the reaction of my legion of FB friends, Trump’s style resonates with politically unsophisticated people who are not issue-oriented when it comes to voting, even if they have a weak party affiliation with the Democrats. The idea that a businessman can run government will seems to have taken hold. Plus there are many Americans who like a candidate who speaks forthrightly and assertively, even if they have no understanding of what the candidate said.
I don’t think Trump is a viable candidate in the national elections because I don’t think he will wear well, but I do think he could poll well outside the R base for a while at least.
Well, judging by the reaction of my legion of FB friends, Trump’s style resonates with politically unsophisticated people who are not issue-oriented when it comes to voting, even if they have a weak party affiliation with the Democrats. The idea that a businessman can run government will seems to have taken hold. Plus there are many Americans who like a candidate who speaks forthrightly and assertively, even if they have no understanding of what the candidate said.
I don’t think Trump is a viable candidate in the national elections because I don’t think he will wear well, but I do think he could poll well outside the R base for a while at least.
Well, judging by the reaction of my legion of FB friends, Trump’s style resonates with politically unsophisticated people who are not issue-oriented when it comes to voting, even if they have a weak party affiliation with the Democrats. The idea that a businessman can run government will seems to have taken hold. Plus there are many Americans who like a candidate who speaks forthrightly and assertively, even if they have no understanding of what the candidate said.
I don’t think Trump is a viable candidate in the national elections because I don’t think he will wear well, but I do think he could poll well outside the R base for a while at least.
I like Josh Marshall’s debate summary:
Foxbots to Trump: Are you not a fraud, a cretin and a scoundrel.
Trump: I’m very rich. Fuck yourself. I have no time for your nonsense.
Crowd: Cheers wildly.
I like Josh Marshall’s debate summary:
Foxbots to Trump: Are you not a fraud, a cretin and a scoundrel.
Trump: I’m very rich. Fuck yourself. I have no time for your nonsense.
Crowd: Cheers wildly.
I like Josh Marshall’s debate summary:
Foxbots to Trump: Are you not a fraud, a cretin and a scoundrel.
Trump: I’m very rich. Fuck yourself. I have no time for your nonsense.
Crowd: Cheers wildly.
last i checked, RedState seemed convinced that Fiorina and Rubio won and that Megyn Kelly is a “far left” “feminazi”.
last i checked, RedState seemed convinced that Fiorina and Rubio won and that Megyn Kelly is a “far left” “feminazi”.
last i checked, RedState seemed convinced that Fiorina and Rubio won and that Megyn Kelly is a “far left” “feminazi”.
The idea that a businessman can run government will seems to have taken hold.
This has been a major theme in US politics for a long time now. It was most of the appeal of H. Ross Perot: one of his applause lines was “let’s run this country like a business”, and he had the homespun tell-it-like-it-is persona that convinced people he wasn’t some slick charlatan. It wasn’t enough for him to actually get any electoral votes, but he was a major figure in the election. Steve Forbes was another one.
More recently, both George W. Bush and Mitt Romney ran to some degree on the notion that they were successful in business, and that success would somehow transfer to running the country (though they had both been state governors as well).
The idea that a businessman can run government will seems to have taken hold.
This has been a major theme in US politics for a long time now. It was most of the appeal of H. Ross Perot: one of his applause lines was “let’s run this country like a business”, and he had the homespun tell-it-like-it-is persona that convinced people he wasn’t some slick charlatan. It wasn’t enough for him to actually get any electoral votes, but he was a major figure in the election. Steve Forbes was another one.
More recently, both George W. Bush and Mitt Romney ran to some degree on the notion that they were successful in business, and that success would somehow transfer to running the country (though they had both been state governors as well).
The idea that a businessman can run government will seems to have taken hold.
This has been a major theme in US politics for a long time now. It was most of the appeal of H. Ross Perot: one of his applause lines was “let’s run this country like a business”, and he had the homespun tell-it-like-it-is persona that convinced people he wasn’t some slick charlatan. It wasn’t enough for him to actually get any electoral votes, but he was a major figure in the election. Steve Forbes was another one.
More recently, both George W. Bush and Mitt Romney ran to some degree on the notion that they were successful in business, and that success would somehow transfer to running the country (though they had both been state governors as well).
My wife made me watch it. Damn glad.
Fox was terrific. Would that the MSM would grill candidates like that.
Scott Walker looks like a leering or lusting or smirking Chris Parnell (SNL), depending on the moment. No abortion to save the mother’s life? Game over and adios.
The left discounts/minimized Carly F at its peril. I’ve been following her closely for some months. Very savvy, specific and substantive. She would fry HRC in a one-on-one debate.
Trump’s ‘in your face’ style is much more engaging than either my wife or I thought it would be. He didn’t try to parse anything, took all the hits and didn’t flinch. Like him or not, he came to play.
Cruz–F**k Me–we have friends who think he hung the moon. The wifey and I are mystified. What a sanctimonious turd.
Kacisch or whatever, not bad.
Christie, much better than I expected.
Rand Paul, see Cruz except I don’t know anyone who likes him.
Huckabee–stayed away from Jesus, dodged a bullet.
Rubio–If they ever do a Third Best Marigold Hotel, he has a good shot at a supporting role.
Bush–bland.
Carson–nice guy, kind of detached. Made some interesting points.
No face licking here. Will the left call its own out?
My wife made me watch it. Damn glad.
Fox was terrific. Would that the MSM would grill candidates like that.
Scott Walker looks like a leering or lusting or smirking Chris Parnell (SNL), depending on the moment. No abortion to save the mother’s life? Game over and adios.
The left discounts/minimized Carly F at its peril. I’ve been following her closely for some months. Very savvy, specific and substantive. She would fry HRC in a one-on-one debate.
Trump’s ‘in your face’ style is much more engaging than either my wife or I thought it would be. He didn’t try to parse anything, took all the hits and didn’t flinch. Like him or not, he came to play.
Cruz–F**k Me–we have friends who think he hung the moon. The wifey and I are mystified. What a sanctimonious turd.
Kacisch or whatever, not bad.
Christie, much better than I expected.
Rand Paul, see Cruz except I don’t know anyone who likes him.
Huckabee–stayed away from Jesus, dodged a bullet.
Rubio–If they ever do a Third Best Marigold Hotel, he has a good shot at a supporting role.
Bush–bland.
Carson–nice guy, kind of detached. Made some interesting points.
No face licking here. Will the left call its own out?
My wife made me watch it. Damn glad.
Fox was terrific. Would that the MSM would grill candidates like that.
Scott Walker looks like a leering or lusting or smirking Chris Parnell (SNL), depending on the moment. No abortion to save the mother’s life? Game over and adios.
The left discounts/minimized Carly F at its peril. I’ve been following her closely for some months. Very savvy, specific and substantive. She would fry HRC in a one-on-one debate.
Trump’s ‘in your face’ style is much more engaging than either my wife or I thought it would be. He didn’t try to parse anything, took all the hits and didn’t flinch. Like him or not, he came to play.
Cruz–F**k Me–we have friends who think he hung the moon. The wifey and I are mystified. What a sanctimonious turd.
Kacisch or whatever, not bad.
Christie, much better than I expected.
Rand Paul, see Cruz except I don’t know anyone who likes him.
Huckabee–stayed away from Jesus, dodged a bullet.
Rubio–If they ever do a Third Best Marigold Hotel, he has a good shot at a supporting role.
Bush–bland.
Carson–nice guy, kind of detached. Made some interesting points.
No face licking here. Will the left call its own out?
both George W. Bush and Mitt Romney ran to some degree on the notion that they were successful in business
Which is kind of mystifying. Romney was certainly a success in business. But Bush? If memory serves, the businesses he ran all lost money. Or made it only with massive government subsidies.
But then, that apparently didn’t count against him with voters. Which may mean that Fiorina, in spite of her horrid track record in business, has a better chance than I would like to think. (Assuming her apparent performance this time gets her a seat at the head table next time.)
both George W. Bush and Mitt Romney ran to some degree on the notion that they were successful in business
Which is kind of mystifying. Romney was certainly a success in business. But Bush? If memory serves, the businesses he ran all lost money. Or made it only with massive government subsidies.
But then, that apparently didn’t count against him with voters. Which may mean that Fiorina, in spite of her horrid track record in business, has a better chance than I would like to think. (Assuming her apparent performance this time gets her a seat at the head table next time.)
both George W. Bush and Mitt Romney ran to some degree on the notion that they were successful in business
Which is kind of mystifying. Romney was certainly a success in business. But Bush? If memory serves, the businesses he ran all lost money. Or made it only with massive government subsidies.
But then, that apparently didn’t count against him with voters. Which may mean that Fiorina, in spite of her horrid track record in business, has a better chance than I would like to think. (Assuming her apparent performance this time gets her a seat at the head table next time.)
“Will the left call its own out?”
John C. Calhoun still hasn’t been punished and it’s high time.
Woodrow Wilson, I would avoid.
If Chuck Schumer keeled over today, I’d count it as a plus for the country.
Al Gore was a complete d*ck during the 2000 debates and I blame him in no small part for the travails of the following eight years.
Not a Hillary fan.
“Will the left call its own out?”
John C. Calhoun still hasn’t been punished and it’s high time.
Woodrow Wilson, I would avoid.
If Chuck Schumer keeled over today, I’d count it as a plus for the country.
Al Gore was a complete d*ck during the 2000 debates and I blame him in no small part for the travails of the following eight years.
Not a Hillary fan.
“Will the left call its own out?”
John C. Calhoun still hasn’t been punished and it’s high time.
Woodrow Wilson, I would avoid.
If Chuck Schumer keeled over today, I’d count it as a plus for the country.
Al Gore was a complete d*ck during the 2000 debates and I blame him in no small part for the travails of the following eight years.
Not a Hillary fan.
The left discounts/minimized Carly F at its peril. I’ve been following her closely for some months. Very savvy, specific and substantive. She would fry HRC in a one-on-one debate.
Uh-huh. That’s why she beat Barbara Boxer into the ground for Senate, right?
What’s her constituency again? People who love CEO’s that killed major American tech companies through sheer incompetence? Americans who love someone who didn’t even come close the one time she ran for public office? BIG voting blocks there.
I’m sure HRC is trembling.
The left discounts/minimized Carly F at its peril. I’ve been following her closely for some months. Very savvy, specific and substantive. She would fry HRC in a one-on-one debate.
Uh-huh. That’s why she beat Barbara Boxer into the ground for Senate, right?
What’s her constituency again? People who love CEO’s that killed major American tech companies through sheer incompetence? Americans who love someone who didn’t even come close the one time she ran for public office? BIG voting blocks there.
I’m sure HRC is trembling.
The left discounts/minimized Carly F at its peril. I’ve been following her closely for some months. Very savvy, specific and substantive. She would fry HRC in a one-on-one debate.
Uh-huh. That’s why she beat Barbara Boxer into the ground for Senate, right?
What’s her constituency again? People who love CEO’s that killed major American tech companies through sheer incompetence? Americans who love someone who didn’t even come close the one time she ran for public office? BIG voting blocks there.
I’m sure HRC is trembling.
I’ve just watched Jon Stewart’s last Daily Show, and I’m just incredibly bummed out. I guess there must be plenty of decent, liberal-but-trying to be objective, perceptive voices out there who can (mixed metaphor alert) cast a cold eye on US current events, but who has such reach, and can do it with such charm and humour? My favourite of his pieces, and so typical, was when he showed a clip of Sarah Palin on the stump during the 2008 race sucking up to some rural, conservative community by going on and on about how they were “the real America”, and Jon Stewart remarked to camera something along the lines “Oh my god, I feel so sorry for the terrorists, how are they going to feel when they realise they bombed the wrong, the fake America”. (By the way, I assume the Palin fiasco is the reason Megyn Kelly went hard at Trump – Roger Ailes must realise by now how much damage Fox’s love affair with Palin and then the Tea Party has done the Republicans).
Stewart will definitely be missed big time during this coming election period, and even my appetite for watching the debate (normally something I do voraciously) has taken a major hit. I’m tempted to assume Trump will implode (a given one might once have said, but I’m not sure you can make such comforting assumptions since the presidency of George W Bush), but even if he does the situation seems deeply depressing. Damn.
I’ve just watched Jon Stewart’s last Daily Show, and I’m just incredibly bummed out. I guess there must be plenty of decent, liberal-but-trying to be objective, perceptive voices out there who can (mixed metaphor alert) cast a cold eye on US current events, but who has such reach, and can do it with such charm and humour? My favourite of his pieces, and so typical, was when he showed a clip of Sarah Palin on the stump during the 2008 race sucking up to some rural, conservative community by going on and on about how they were “the real America”, and Jon Stewart remarked to camera something along the lines “Oh my god, I feel so sorry for the terrorists, how are they going to feel when they realise they bombed the wrong, the fake America”. (By the way, I assume the Palin fiasco is the reason Megyn Kelly went hard at Trump – Roger Ailes must realise by now how much damage Fox’s love affair with Palin and then the Tea Party has done the Republicans).
Stewart will definitely be missed big time during this coming election period, and even my appetite for watching the debate (normally something I do voraciously) has taken a major hit. I’m tempted to assume Trump will implode (a given one might once have said, but I’m not sure you can make such comforting assumptions since the presidency of George W Bush), but even if he does the situation seems deeply depressing. Damn.
I’ve just watched Jon Stewart’s last Daily Show, and I’m just incredibly bummed out. I guess there must be plenty of decent, liberal-but-trying to be objective, perceptive voices out there who can (mixed metaphor alert) cast a cold eye on US current events, but who has such reach, and can do it with such charm and humour? My favourite of his pieces, and so typical, was when he showed a clip of Sarah Palin on the stump during the 2008 race sucking up to some rural, conservative community by going on and on about how they were “the real America”, and Jon Stewart remarked to camera something along the lines “Oh my god, I feel so sorry for the terrorists, how are they going to feel when they realise they bombed the wrong, the fake America”. (By the way, I assume the Palin fiasco is the reason Megyn Kelly went hard at Trump – Roger Ailes must realise by now how much damage Fox’s love affair with Palin and then the Tea Party has done the Republicans).
Stewart will definitely be missed big time during this coming election period, and even my appetite for watching the debate (normally something I do voraciously) has taken a major hit. I’m tempted to assume Trump will implode (a given one might once have said, but I’m not sure you can make such comforting assumptions since the presidency of George W Bush), but even if he does the situation seems deeply depressing. Damn.
“Will the left call its own out?”
Bernie needs a haircut very badly. Or at least a comb.
“Will the left call its own out?”
Bernie needs a haircut very badly. Or at least a comb.
“Will the left call its own out?”
Bernie needs a haircut very badly. Or at least a comb.
This should give him a boost in the polls among the pigf*cking vermin now ascendant in the base of the Putin infestation THING that calls itself Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/07/a-new-low-for-trump/
Menstruation?
He’s obviously got Hillary by the balls.
Maybe Fiorini will give him a tongue lashing and then name him her running mate in 2016, to attract the vermin base to go along with the failed option-rich CEO pigf*cks.
I predict Archie Bunker’s “menstrual show” before all is said and done, and all will be said and done from now until 2016.
Are you sure you want to arm the population?
This should give him a boost in the polls among the pigf*cking vermin now ascendant in the base of the Putin infestation THING that calls itself Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/07/a-new-low-for-trump/
Menstruation?
He’s obviously got Hillary by the balls.
Maybe Fiorini will give him a tongue lashing and then name him her running mate in 2016, to attract the vermin base to go along with the failed option-rich CEO pigf*cks.
I predict Archie Bunker’s “menstrual show” before all is said and done, and all will be said and done from now until 2016.
Are you sure you want to arm the population?
This should give him a boost in the polls among the pigf*cking vermin now ascendant in the base of the Putin infestation THING that calls itself Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/07/a-new-low-for-trump/
Menstruation?
He’s obviously got Hillary by the balls.
Maybe Fiorini will give him a tongue lashing and then name him her running mate in 2016, to attract the vermin base to go along with the failed option-rich CEO pigf*cks.
I predict Archie Bunker’s “menstrual show” before all is said and done, and all will be said and done from now until 2016.
Are you sure you want to arm the population?
Much as I find her views reprehensible, here’s a shout-out to Megyn Kelly for confronting this breed of machismo pig-f*cking male so ascendant in the shirtless, Putin-loving Republican Party.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/31/foxs-megyn-kelly-tears-into-fox-colleagues-over/194296
These guys accuse liberals of political correctness when it comes to gender and race, but then when called on their too frequent racist and misogynist mouth puke, they whine about how their words were “badly phrased” or “taken out of context”.
Erickson the pussy-whipped Aryan pigf*cking cracker.
In other words, they expect others to exercise politically correct restraint and “understand” that they have the right to swing their tiny dicks/or weaponry around without being called on it.
In any other venue, on the street, in a bar, at a sporting event, if these guys spoke to and about women in this manner, they would risk a fist fight that could move to sharp objects very quickly and thrown chairs, to their detriment.
This liberal believes in hurting these filth physically.
Down for the count, with major bone structures in the face crushed.
When they heal (heel), they can kiss my politically correct a*s.
It’s the only way the Republican Party is going to learn.
I’m so politically incorrect that the next time Kelly herself launches into some of her reprehensible coverage of blacks being brutalized by police, I wouldn’t mind clocking her in the jaw as well.
See, Trump is the essence of the modern Republican Party.
He gives Nazis a reason to feel good about their goose stepping after all these decades of being victimized at the hands of politically correct liberals like Mel Brooks and John Cleese.
Much as I find her views reprehensible, here’s a shout-out to Megyn Kelly for confronting this breed of machismo pig-f*cking male so ascendant in the shirtless, Putin-loving Republican Party.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/31/foxs-megyn-kelly-tears-into-fox-colleagues-over/194296
These guys accuse liberals of political correctness when it comes to gender and race, but then when called on their too frequent racist and misogynist mouth puke, they whine about how their words were “badly phrased” or “taken out of context”.
Erickson the pussy-whipped Aryan pigf*cking cracker.
In other words, they expect others to exercise politically correct restraint and “understand” that they have the right to swing their tiny dicks/or weaponry around without being called on it.
In any other venue, on the street, in a bar, at a sporting event, if these guys spoke to and about women in this manner, they would risk a fist fight that could move to sharp objects very quickly and thrown chairs, to their detriment.
This liberal believes in hurting these filth physically.
Down for the count, with major bone structures in the face crushed.
When they heal (heel), they can kiss my politically correct a*s.
It’s the only way the Republican Party is going to learn.
I’m so politically incorrect that the next time Kelly herself launches into some of her reprehensible coverage of blacks being brutalized by police, I wouldn’t mind clocking her in the jaw as well.
See, Trump is the essence of the modern Republican Party.
He gives Nazis a reason to feel good about their goose stepping after all these decades of being victimized at the hands of politically correct liberals like Mel Brooks and John Cleese.
Much as I find her views reprehensible, here’s a shout-out to Megyn Kelly for confronting this breed of machismo pig-f*cking male so ascendant in the shirtless, Putin-loving Republican Party.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/31/foxs-megyn-kelly-tears-into-fox-colleagues-over/194296
These guys accuse liberals of political correctness when it comes to gender and race, but then when called on their too frequent racist and misogynist mouth puke, they whine about how their words were “badly phrased” or “taken out of context”.
Erickson the pussy-whipped Aryan pigf*cking cracker.
In other words, they expect others to exercise politically correct restraint and “understand” that they have the right to swing their tiny dicks/or weaponry around without being called on it.
In any other venue, on the street, in a bar, at a sporting event, if these guys spoke to and about women in this manner, they would risk a fist fight that could move to sharp objects very quickly and thrown chairs, to their detriment.
This liberal believes in hurting these filth physically.
Down for the count, with major bone structures in the face crushed.
When they heal (heel), they can kiss my politically correct a*s.
It’s the only way the Republican Party is going to learn.
I’m so politically incorrect that the next time Kelly herself launches into some of her reprehensible coverage of blacks being brutalized by police, I wouldn’t mind clocking her in the jaw as well.
See, Trump is the essence of the modern Republican Party.
He gives Nazis a reason to feel good about their goose stepping after all these decades of being victimized at the hands of politically correct liberals like Mel Brooks and John Cleese.
Starting to regret the monster and the mess they helped create, I guess:
http://shorensteincenter.org/conservative-media-influence-on-republican-party-jackie-calmes/
I’m for letting the monster eat as many Republicans as possible, and then when it tries to eat the country, shoot it in the head with a tactical nuclear weapon.
Starting to regret the monster and the mess they helped create, I guess:
http://shorensteincenter.org/conservative-media-influence-on-republican-party-jackie-calmes/
I’m for letting the monster eat as many Republicans as possible, and then when it tries to eat the country, shoot it in the head with a tactical nuclear weapon.
Starting to regret the monster and the mess they helped create, I guess:
http://shorensteincenter.org/conservative-media-influence-on-republican-party-jackie-calmes/
I’m for letting the monster eat as many Republicans as possible, and then when it tries to eat the country, shoot it in the head with a tactical nuclear weapon.
I agree with Huckabee that the Koch Brothers, Paul Ryan, and Jeb Bush need to pay more into Social Security:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/huckabee-pimps-prostitutes-illegals-social-security
Lift the cap.
I agree with Huckabee that the Koch Brothers, Paul Ryan, and Jeb Bush need to pay more into Social Security:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/huckabee-pimps-prostitutes-illegals-social-security
Lift the cap.
I agree with Huckabee that the Koch Brothers, Paul Ryan, and Jeb Bush need to pay more into Social Security:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/huckabee-pimps-prostitutes-illegals-social-security
Lift the cap.
i loved Huck’s mention of pimps and prostitutes. it was so out of the blue and irrelevant, but it really shined a light on where his mind is at.
i loved Huck’s mention of pimps and prostitutes. it was so out of the blue and irrelevant, but it really shined a light on where his mind is at.
i loved Huck’s mention of pimps and prostitutes. it was so out of the blue and irrelevant, but it really shined a light on where his mind is at.
Erickson’ acolytes, usually assured of a place snug up against his butt in case there might be a chance of of giving him a rimjob, are a little steamed at his “politically correct” handling of the affaire de Trump.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/08/conservatives-grapple-with-surprise-trump-snub/?hpid=z2
Trump and Erickson are made for each other, and I wouldn’t insult women by suggesting that the twins spent any time in a mother’s womb.
Erickson, and Moe Lane, feed swill to these pigf*ckers all these years, and now have the nerve to take away the Trump punch bowl they’ve been taught to develop a taste for over at BiteState, just when the frozen turds start to surface.
Trump and Erickson were gestated by the Republican Party who preceded them and have played nursemaid to their most vermin instincts these many years.
Daddy and Mummy Gingrich should be very proud.
Yeah and I’ll be fascinated to hear Ann Coulter’s next crack about Trump’s invocation of Megan Kelly’s monthly mood swings.
It could go either way, as Coulter ponders whether she can be politically correct at this late date in the history of America.
Unless I’ve missed something, it’s very strange that Coulter has been so quiet about this thus far.
You’d think that insulting Kelly’s politically correct questioning of Trump, et al, while cramping, would be red meat for the Coulter sewage salad shooter she calls a mouth.
See, the Founders, those superlative seers held in such esteem, saw these types of damaging personalities emerging in U.S. politics, which is why the Second Amendment contains two commas, one in the book depository and one on the grassy knoll.
Still, Bush is the professional sociopath who should be feared.
The others are amateurs, made men and one woman, but suitable only as muscle when the trouble starts and the earnest business of non-governing gets underway.
Trump reminds Jeb Bush of Barack Obama.
Right.
Who made that up for him, Terri Schiavo, who he has apparently hired to guide his campaign strategies with sightless glances to the corners of the ceiling, because there is obviously a there there.
Erickson’ acolytes, usually assured of a place snug up against his butt in case there might be a chance of of giving him a rimjob, are a little steamed at his “politically correct” handling of the affaire de Trump.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/08/conservatives-grapple-with-surprise-trump-snub/?hpid=z2
Trump and Erickson are made for each other, and I wouldn’t insult women by suggesting that the twins spent any time in a mother’s womb.
Erickson, and Moe Lane, feed swill to these pigf*ckers all these years, and now have the nerve to take away the Trump punch bowl they’ve been taught to develop a taste for over at BiteState, just when the frozen turds start to surface.
Trump and Erickson were gestated by the Republican Party who preceded them and have played nursemaid to their most vermin instincts these many years.
Daddy and Mummy Gingrich should be very proud.
Yeah and I’ll be fascinated to hear Ann Coulter’s next crack about Trump’s invocation of Megan Kelly’s monthly mood swings.
It could go either way, as Coulter ponders whether she can be politically correct at this late date in the history of America.
Unless I’ve missed something, it’s very strange that Coulter has been so quiet about this thus far.
You’d think that insulting Kelly’s politically correct questioning of Trump, et al, while cramping, would be red meat for the Coulter sewage salad shooter she calls a mouth.
See, the Founders, those superlative seers held in such esteem, saw these types of damaging personalities emerging in U.S. politics, which is why the Second Amendment contains two commas, one in the book depository and one on the grassy knoll.
Still, Bush is the professional sociopath who should be feared.
The others are amateurs, made men and one woman, but suitable only as muscle when the trouble starts and the earnest business of non-governing gets underway.
Trump reminds Jeb Bush of Barack Obama.
Right.
Who made that up for him, Terri Schiavo, who he has apparently hired to guide his campaign strategies with sightless glances to the corners of the ceiling, because there is obviously a there there.
Erickson’ acolytes, usually assured of a place snug up against his butt in case there might be a chance of of giving him a rimjob, are a little steamed at his “politically correct” handling of the affaire de Trump.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/08/conservatives-grapple-with-surprise-trump-snub/?hpid=z2
Trump and Erickson are made for each other, and I wouldn’t insult women by suggesting that the twins spent any time in a mother’s womb.
Erickson, and Moe Lane, feed swill to these pigf*ckers all these years, and now have the nerve to take away the Trump punch bowl they’ve been taught to develop a taste for over at BiteState, just when the frozen turds start to surface.
Trump and Erickson were gestated by the Republican Party who preceded them and have played nursemaid to their most vermin instincts these many years.
Daddy and Mummy Gingrich should be very proud.
Yeah and I’ll be fascinated to hear Ann Coulter’s next crack about Trump’s invocation of Megan Kelly’s monthly mood swings.
It could go either way, as Coulter ponders whether she can be politically correct at this late date in the history of America.
Unless I’ve missed something, it’s very strange that Coulter has been so quiet about this thus far.
You’d think that insulting Kelly’s politically correct questioning of Trump, et al, while cramping, would be red meat for the Coulter sewage salad shooter she calls a mouth.
See, the Founders, those superlative seers held in such esteem, saw these types of damaging personalities emerging in U.S. politics, which is why the Second Amendment contains two commas, one in the book depository and one on the grassy knoll.
Still, Bush is the professional sociopath who should be feared.
The others are amateurs, made men and one woman, but suitable only as muscle when the trouble starts and the earnest business of non-governing gets underway.
Trump reminds Jeb Bush of Barack Obama.
Right.
Who made that up for him, Terri Schiavo, who he has apparently hired to guide his campaign strategies with sightless glances to the corners of the ceiling, because there is obviously a there there.
I understand the hand-picked FOX crowd cheered Trump’s insults and comebacks at Kelly.
That’s an interesting Madame Defarge dynamic, like the cackle Robespierre’s head was awarded when it hit the basket, for all of his troubles.
The mob seems to have a mind of its own. Whooda thunk?
Ya fluff a crowd like that for long enough and they aren’t satisfied with a just a little blood.
They’ll want great spurting geysers of it if they don’t have their way.
I suspect Murdoch is summoning Ailes to get his fat, waddling, fascist ass up to the Chairman of the Board suite, pronto, and explain WTF.
I understand the hand-picked FOX crowd cheered Trump’s insults and comebacks at Kelly.
That’s an interesting Madame Defarge dynamic, like the cackle Robespierre’s head was awarded when it hit the basket, for all of his troubles.
The mob seems to have a mind of its own. Whooda thunk?
Ya fluff a crowd like that for long enough and they aren’t satisfied with a just a little blood.
They’ll want great spurting geysers of it if they don’t have their way.
I suspect Murdoch is summoning Ailes to get his fat, waddling, fascist ass up to the Chairman of the Board suite, pronto, and explain WTF.
I understand the hand-picked FOX crowd cheered Trump’s insults and comebacks at Kelly.
That’s an interesting Madame Defarge dynamic, like the cackle Robespierre’s head was awarded when it hit the basket, for all of his troubles.
The mob seems to have a mind of its own. Whooda thunk?
Ya fluff a crowd like that for long enough and they aren’t satisfied with a just a little blood.
They’ll want great spurting geysers of it if they don’t have their way.
I suspect Murdoch is summoning Ailes to get his fat, waddling, fascist ass up to the Chairman of the Board suite, pronto, and explain WTF.
“Trump and Erickson were gestated by the Republican Party who preceded them and have played nursemaid to their most vermin instincts these many years.”
Agreed in all respects, and it applies to many more of these unspeakable creeps in addition. But it looks as if I was completely wrong about Roger Ailes authorising an attack on Trump:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/on-trump-murdoch-has-lost-control-of-ailes-fox.html
It was widely reported that in retrospect Ailes understood the harm caused to the Republican/right wing cause by Palin, but it looks like he hasn’t made the connection. I must say, you know things have come to a pretty pass when Rupert Murdoch, fons et origo of so much of the coarsening and debasement of British (and American?) culture, is trying to exercise a moderating hand.
“Trump and Erickson were gestated by the Republican Party who preceded them and have played nursemaid to their most vermin instincts these many years.”
Agreed in all respects, and it applies to many more of these unspeakable creeps in addition. But it looks as if I was completely wrong about Roger Ailes authorising an attack on Trump:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/on-trump-murdoch-has-lost-control-of-ailes-fox.html
It was widely reported that in retrospect Ailes understood the harm caused to the Republican/right wing cause by Palin, but it looks like he hasn’t made the connection. I must say, you know things have come to a pretty pass when Rupert Murdoch, fons et origo of so much of the coarsening and debasement of British (and American?) culture, is trying to exercise a moderating hand.
“Trump and Erickson were gestated by the Republican Party who preceded them and have played nursemaid to their most vermin instincts these many years.”
Agreed in all respects, and it applies to many more of these unspeakable creeps in addition. But it looks as if I was completely wrong about Roger Ailes authorising an attack on Trump:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/on-trump-murdoch-has-lost-control-of-ailes-fox.html
It was widely reported that in retrospect Ailes understood the harm caused to the Republican/right wing cause by Palin, but it looks like he hasn’t made the connection. I must say, you know things have come to a pretty pass when Rupert Murdoch, fons et origo of so much of the coarsening and debasement of British (and American?) culture, is trying to exercise a moderating hand.
I don’t agree with this:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/donald-trump-has-finally-catapulted-us-alternate-universe
Trump says what he says, which he said the other day. And what he says is what the hateful, poisonous right wing has been saying for 40 years.
Only, he’s pithier. Sound bitier.
That Roger Stone, Erickson, Ailes, Murdoch and company have been have been wrapping their vile, malignant hatred in unsellable turgidity these many years is a failure only in the sense that early primitive airplanes that went off the cliff without gaining airspeed were failures.
Trump is the Wright Brothers of violent rhetoric. He’s huge, he soars.
He’s on the right-wing message.
They’ll get on board as co-pilots at some point.
He’s the perfect expression of the insane, murderous clown posse they’ve been deputizing since Jimmy Carter.
I don’t agree with this:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/donald-trump-has-finally-catapulted-us-alternate-universe
Trump says what he says, which he said the other day. And what he says is what the hateful, poisonous right wing has been saying for 40 years.
Only, he’s pithier. Sound bitier.
That Roger Stone, Erickson, Ailes, Murdoch and company have been have been wrapping their vile, malignant hatred in unsellable turgidity these many years is a failure only in the sense that early primitive airplanes that went off the cliff without gaining airspeed were failures.
Trump is the Wright Brothers of violent rhetoric. He’s huge, he soars.
He’s on the right-wing message.
They’ll get on board as co-pilots at some point.
He’s the perfect expression of the insane, murderous clown posse they’ve been deputizing since Jimmy Carter.
I don’t agree with this:
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/donald-trump-has-finally-catapulted-us-alternate-universe
Trump says what he says, which he said the other day. And what he says is what the hateful, poisonous right wing has been saying for 40 years.
Only, he’s pithier. Sound bitier.
That Roger Stone, Erickson, Ailes, Murdoch and company have been have been wrapping their vile, malignant hatred in unsellable turgidity these many years is a failure only in the sense that early primitive airplanes that went off the cliff without gaining airspeed were failures.
Trump is the Wright Brothers of violent rhetoric. He’s huge, he soars.
He’s on the right-wing message.
They’ll get on board as co-pilots at some point.
He’s the perfect expression of the insane, murderous clown posse they’ve been deputizing since Jimmy Carter.
Except Stone just left the Trump ‘campaign’.
My own view is that the contest is between Bush and Fiorina. Much as Trump (or Cruz) might speak to the Staters’ political id, they are not entirely without a sense of which candidates can plausibly be presented to the electorate.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/09/republican-candidates-struggle-to-duck-donald-at-redstate-gathering
Except Stone just left the Trump ‘campaign’.
My own view is that the contest is between Bush and Fiorina. Much as Trump (or Cruz) might speak to the Staters’ political id, they are not entirely without a sense of which candidates can plausibly be presented to the electorate.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/09/republican-candidates-struggle-to-duck-donald-at-redstate-gathering
Except Stone just left the Trump ‘campaign’.
My own view is that the contest is between Bush and Fiorina. Much as Trump (or Cruz) might speak to the Staters’ political id, they are not entirely without a sense of which candidates can plausibly be presented to the electorate.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/09/republican-candidates-struggle-to-duck-donald-at-redstate-gathering
Erickson, Stone, even the Right has limits. Ai know lots of people who still kind of hold their nose and keep trying to like Trump. Bit they wont much longer. Kasich wins. Rubio is VP, they win 45 states over Sanders.
Erickson, Stone, even the Right has limits. Ai know lots of people who still kind of hold their nose and keep trying to like Trump. Bit they wont much longer. Kasich wins. Rubio is VP, they win 45 states over Sanders.
Erickson, Stone, even the Right has limits. Ai know lots of people who still kind of hold their nose and keep trying to like Trump. Bit they wont much longer. Kasich wins. Rubio is VP, they win 45 states over Sanders.
Trump says out loud what other Republican politicians mean, but don’t want to say to clearly.
Trump scares people in the Republican party leadership, not because they disagree with his message, but because they fear that his blatancy won’t play well in a national election.
They want a politicians who believes what rump believes but is more tactful about it.
It’s the difference between open carry and concealed weapon. In all cases the Republicans are out to destroy representative democracy and everyone who isn’t part of the elite. The challenge is to appeal to the worst in voters to get them to vote against their own interests without being so open with the nastiness as to turn people off.
Trump says out loud what other Republican politicians mean, but don’t want to say to clearly.
Trump scares people in the Republican party leadership, not because they disagree with his message, but because they fear that his blatancy won’t play well in a national election.
They want a politicians who believes what rump believes but is more tactful about it.
It’s the difference between open carry and concealed weapon. In all cases the Republicans are out to destroy representative democracy and everyone who isn’t part of the elite. The challenge is to appeal to the worst in voters to get them to vote against their own interests without being so open with the nastiness as to turn people off.
Trump says out loud what other Republican politicians mean, but don’t want to say to clearly.
Trump scares people in the Republican party leadership, not because they disagree with his message, but because they fear that his blatancy won’t play well in a national election.
They want a politicians who believes what rump believes but is more tactful about it.
It’s the difference between open carry and concealed weapon. In all cases the Republicans are out to destroy representative democracy and everyone who isn’t part of the elite. The challenge is to appeal to the worst in voters to get them to vote against their own interests without being so open with the nastiness as to turn people off.
I see Sanders winning the Dem primary and naming Trump as his running mate.
On the day before the general election, Sanders will stump wearing Trump’s rug and his codpiece and they’ll take it by a hair, which will be challenged in the courts as synthetic.
There will a rash of suicides among hair stylists around the country immediately after, but then things will settle down as Sanders names Trump’s spare hairpiece as Secretary of State, which Vlad Putin will take as a provocation to begin massing troops and missiles along Russia’s western border.
Republicans, for their part, the men AND the women, will appear shirtless in TV spots financed by the Koch Brothers to show their solidarity with Putin in deposing the socialist in the White House.
Ann Coulter’s pecs, tattooed with the Stars and Bars and displayed as she lies on the pelt of a black-maned African lion (with Ted Nugent jacking off into a church offering plate to the rhythm of “Cat Scratch Fever” in the background) will be larger than any of the men’s, except for Chris Christie’s, which will be held up, defying gravity, by scaffolding and traffic cones from the George Washington bridge scandal.
THAT will trigger Erickson’s and Stone’s limit and they’ll fall in love and retire to run a sordid little pay-by-the-hour motel, with gun range and lawn jockies, on the outskirts of Macon, Georgia.
I see Sanders winning the Dem primary and naming Trump as his running mate.
On the day before the general election, Sanders will stump wearing Trump’s rug and his codpiece and they’ll take it by a hair, which will be challenged in the courts as synthetic.
There will a rash of suicides among hair stylists around the country immediately after, but then things will settle down as Sanders names Trump’s spare hairpiece as Secretary of State, which Vlad Putin will take as a provocation to begin massing troops and missiles along Russia’s western border.
Republicans, for their part, the men AND the women, will appear shirtless in TV spots financed by the Koch Brothers to show their solidarity with Putin in deposing the socialist in the White House.
Ann Coulter’s pecs, tattooed with the Stars and Bars and displayed as she lies on the pelt of a black-maned African lion (with Ted Nugent jacking off into a church offering plate to the rhythm of “Cat Scratch Fever” in the background) will be larger than any of the men’s, except for Chris Christie’s, which will be held up, defying gravity, by scaffolding and traffic cones from the George Washington bridge scandal.
THAT will trigger Erickson’s and Stone’s limit and they’ll fall in love and retire to run a sordid little pay-by-the-hour motel, with gun range and lawn jockies, on the outskirts of Macon, Georgia.
I see Sanders winning the Dem primary and naming Trump as his running mate.
On the day before the general election, Sanders will stump wearing Trump’s rug and his codpiece and they’ll take it by a hair, which will be challenged in the courts as synthetic.
There will a rash of suicides among hair stylists around the country immediately after, but then things will settle down as Sanders names Trump’s spare hairpiece as Secretary of State, which Vlad Putin will take as a provocation to begin massing troops and missiles along Russia’s western border.
Republicans, for their part, the men AND the women, will appear shirtless in TV spots financed by the Koch Brothers to show their solidarity with Putin in deposing the socialist in the White House.
Ann Coulter’s pecs, tattooed with the Stars and Bars and displayed as she lies on the pelt of a black-maned African lion (with Ted Nugent jacking off into a church offering plate to the rhythm of “Cat Scratch Fever” in the background) will be larger than any of the men’s, except for Chris Christie’s, which will be held up, defying gravity, by scaffolding and traffic cones from the George Washington bridge scandal.
THAT will trigger Erickson’s and Stone’s limit and they’ll fall in love and retire to run a sordid little pay-by-the-hour motel, with gun range and lawn jockies, on the outskirts of Macon, Georgia.
Belongs in the other thread, perhaps, but a conservative at the NYT is saddened by liberal condescension towards torture apologists–
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/opinion/sunday/jon-stewart-patron-saint-of-liberal-smugness.html?ref=opinion
Belongs in the other thread, perhaps, but a conservative at the NYT is saddened by liberal condescension towards torture apologists–
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/opinion/sunday/jon-stewart-patron-saint-of-liberal-smugness.html?ref=opinion
Belongs in the other thread, perhaps, but a conservative at the NYT is saddened by liberal condescension towards torture apologists–
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/opinion/sunday/jon-stewart-patron-saint-of-liberal-smugness.html?ref=opinion
I note this, from the article:
“Mr. Yoo had served in Mr. Bush’s Justice Department and had drafted memos laying out what techniques could and couldn’t be used to interrogate Al Qaeda detainees. Mr. Stewart seemed to go into the interview expecting a menacing Clint Eastwood type, who was fully prepared to zap the genitals of some terrorist if that’s what it took to protect America’s women and children.
Mr. Stewart was caught unaware by the quiet, reasonable Mr. Yoo, who explained that he had been asked to determine what legally constituted torture so the government could safely stay on this side of the line. The issue, in other words, wasn’t whether torture was justified but what constituted it and what didn’t. Ask yourself how intellectually curious Mr. Stewart really could be, not to know that this is what Bush administration officials had been saying all along?”
I think Hannah Arendt explained the banality of bland bureaucratic functionaries and their strict attention to convenient, smoothly-running train schedules.
I note this, from the article:
“Mr. Yoo had served in Mr. Bush’s Justice Department and had drafted memos laying out what techniques could and couldn’t be used to interrogate Al Qaeda detainees. Mr. Stewart seemed to go into the interview expecting a menacing Clint Eastwood type, who was fully prepared to zap the genitals of some terrorist if that’s what it took to protect America’s women and children.
Mr. Stewart was caught unaware by the quiet, reasonable Mr. Yoo, who explained that he had been asked to determine what legally constituted torture so the government could safely stay on this side of the line. The issue, in other words, wasn’t whether torture was justified but what constituted it and what didn’t. Ask yourself how intellectually curious Mr. Stewart really could be, not to know that this is what Bush administration officials had been saying all along?”
I think Hannah Arendt explained the banality of bland bureaucratic functionaries and their strict attention to convenient, smoothly-running train schedules.
I note this, from the article:
“Mr. Yoo had served in Mr. Bush’s Justice Department and had drafted memos laying out what techniques could and couldn’t be used to interrogate Al Qaeda detainees. Mr. Stewart seemed to go into the interview expecting a menacing Clint Eastwood type, who was fully prepared to zap the genitals of some terrorist if that’s what it took to protect America’s women and children.
Mr. Stewart was caught unaware by the quiet, reasonable Mr. Yoo, who explained that he had been asked to determine what legally constituted torture so the government could safely stay on this side of the line. The issue, in other words, wasn’t whether torture was justified but what constituted it and what didn’t. Ask yourself how intellectually curious Mr. Stewart really could be, not to know that this is what Bush administration officials had been saying all along?”
I think Hannah Arendt explained the banality of bland bureaucratic functionaries and their strict attention to convenient, smoothly-running train schedules.
Does this count as calling out their own:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+booed+off+stage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
I hope Black Lives Matter become a little more bi-partisan in shutting down political rallies, but I like that they are taking on progressives who live in cities with brutalizing police forces.
The Democratic Party should stop taking its black voters for granted.
See, if they tried to shut down a Republican fete, they’d get a demonstration of gunfire and police brutality to go right on film.
Does this count as calling out their own:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+booed+off+stage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
I hope Black Lives Matter become a little more bi-partisan in shutting down political rallies, but I like that they are taking on progressives who live in cities with brutalizing police forces.
The Democratic Party should stop taking its black voters for granted.
See, if they tried to shut down a Republican fete, they’d get a demonstration of gunfire and police brutality to go right on film.
Does this count as calling out their own:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+booed+off+stage&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
I hope Black Lives Matter become a little more bi-partisan in shutting down political rallies, but I like that they are taking on progressives who live in cities with brutalizing police forces.
The Democratic Party should stop taking its black voters for granted.
See, if they tried to shut down a Republican fete, they’d get a demonstration of gunfire and police brutality to go right on film.
Maybe the Pope should speak from inside the bullet-proof glass Popemobilebubble.
Will the violent, armed Protestants in the pigHouse aim to cane him like a Yankee?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/in_the_presence_of_my_enemies057004.php
Maybe the Pope should speak from inside the bullet-proof glass Popemobilebubble.
Will the violent, armed Protestants in the pigHouse aim to cane him like a Yankee?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/in_the_presence_of_my_enemies057004.php
Maybe the Pope should speak from inside the bullet-proof glass Popemobilebubble.
Will the violent, armed Protestants in the pigHouse aim to cane him like a Yankee?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/in_the_presence_of_my_enemies057004.php
Of course, he will probably address abortion as well, in which case I recommend the double paned Pope bubble.
Of course, he will probably address abortion as well, in which case I recommend the double paned Pope bubble.
Of course, he will probably address abortion as well, in which case I recommend the double paned Pope bubble.
Nigel: My own view is that the contest is between Bush and Fiorina. Much as Trump (or Cruz) might speak to the Staters’ political id, they are not entirely without a sense of which candidates can plausibly be presented to the electorate.
I just can’t see Fiorina getting that far. Yes, she did well in the pre-debate last week. But once she gets up where the other candidates take notice, she will face the reality that her track record in business is terrible, and her track record in electoral politics is, too.
If the GOP wants someone who can “plausible be presented to the (general) electorate,” and who isn’t named Bush, Kasich is a far better bet.
Nigel: My own view is that the contest is between Bush and Fiorina. Much as Trump (or Cruz) might speak to the Staters’ political id, they are not entirely without a sense of which candidates can plausibly be presented to the electorate.
I just can’t see Fiorina getting that far. Yes, she did well in the pre-debate last week. But once she gets up where the other candidates take notice, she will face the reality that her track record in business is terrible, and her track record in electoral politics is, too.
If the GOP wants someone who can “plausible be presented to the (general) electorate,” and who isn’t named Bush, Kasich is a far better bet.
Nigel: My own view is that the contest is between Bush and Fiorina. Much as Trump (or Cruz) might speak to the Staters’ political id, they are not entirely without a sense of which candidates can plausibly be presented to the electorate.
I just can’t see Fiorina getting that far. Yes, she did well in the pre-debate last week. But once she gets up where the other candidates take notice, she will face the reality that her track record in business is terrible, and her track record in electoral politics is, too.
If the GOP wants someone who can “plausible be presented to the (general) electorate,” and who isn’t named Bush, Kasich is a far better bet.
Kasich? yeah right.
1. believes climate change is real.
2. supports Common Core.
3. wants to allow undocumented immigrants to stay in the US
4. is OK with gay marriage.
5. allows for life-of-mother exception for abortion
6. wants to put US troops in Iraq to fight ISIS
Kasich? yeah right.
1. believes climate change is real.
2. supports Common Core.
3. wants to allow undocumented immigrants to stay in the US
4. is OK with gay marriage.
5. allows for life-of-mother exception for abortion
6. wants to put US troops in Iraq to fight ISIS
Kasich? yeah right.
1. believes climate change is real.
2. supports Common Core.
3. wants to allow undocumented immigrants to stay in the US
4. is OK with gay marriage.
5. allows for life-of-mother exception for abortion
6. wants to put US troops in Iraq to fight ISIS
Hey, I didn’t say he was a great candidate. Except compared to most of the others on offer — as your examples make clear.
Hey, I didn’t say he was a great candidate. Except compared to most of the others on offer — as your examples make clear.
Hey, I didn’t say he was a great candidate. Except compared to most of the others on offer — as your examples make clear.
he’s better than most from a Democratic/Rockfeller Republican perspective. but he’s fighting in today’s GOP, which has no use for moderation of any kind.
he’s better than most from a Democratic/Rockfeller Republican perspective. but he’s fighting in today’s GOP, which has no use for moderation of any kind.
he’s better than most from a Democratic/Rockfeller Republican perspective. but he’s fighting in today’s GOP, which has no use for moderation of any kind.
her track record in business / politics is terrible…
She came away from HP somewhere around $100m richer, as think. Isn’t that what counts amongst this particular electorate ?
Also doesn’t come across as blatantly batshit crazy, which sets her apart from quite a lot of the competition.
I don’t think competence is a particularly important metric here ?
her track record in business / politics is terrible…
She came away from HP somewhere around $100m richer, as think. Isn’t that what counts amongst this particular electorate ?
Also doesn’t come across as blatantly batshit crazy, which sets her apart from quite a lot of the competition.
I don’t think competence is a particularly important metric here ?
her track record in business / politics is terrible…
She came away from HP somewhere around $100m richer, as think. Isn’t that what counts amongst this particular electorate ?
Also doesn’t come across as blatantly batshit crazy, which sets her apart from quite a lot of the competition.
I don’t think competence is a particularly important metric here ?
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Still can’t type on an iPad…
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Still can’t type on an iPad…
as think
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Still can’t type on an iPad…
I swear I’ve been to some Performance Art featuring a Dumpster Fire.
I swear I’ve been to some Performance Art featuring a Dumpster Fire.
I swear I’ve been to some Performance Art featuring a Dumpster Fire.
they’ll fall in love and retire to run a sordid little pay-by-the-hour motel, with gun range and lawn jockies, on the outskirts of Macon, Georgia.
Two more working Americans! If I could only find a well situated 14 room motel.
they’ll fall in love and retire to run a sordid little pay-by-the-hour motel, with gun range and lawn jockies, on the outskirts of Macon, Georgia.
Two more working Americans! If I could only find a well situated 14 room motel.
they’ll fall in love and retire to run a sordid little pay-by-the-hour motel, with gun range and lawn jockies, on the outskirts of Macon, Georgia.
Two more working Americans! If I could only find a well situated 14 room motel.
The Count’s performance art aside, this is the most astonishingly crazy thing I have read in OW comments in recent memory.
Props.
The Count’s performance art aside, this is the most astonishingly crazy thing I have read in OW comments in recent memory.
Props.
The Count’s performance art aside, this is the most astonishingly crazy thing I have read in OW comments in recent memory.
Props.
Maybe the count has adopted an alias…?
Maybe the count has adopted an alias…?
Maybe the count has adopted an alias…?
It’s possible we’re seeing the flipside of the Jade Helm disease.
It’s possible we’re seeing the flipside of the Jade Helm disease.
It’s possible we’re seeing the flipside of the Jade Helm disease.
I don’t know, I thought cleek’s recital of Kasich’s moderate bonafides was kind of astonishing.
Global warming for one:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/in_the_presence_of_my_enemies057004.php
I suppose if you lean way out the Overton Window for a view these a days, there is only one way to look any longer — to the Left — since there is nothing but gravitational black hole to the Right, and yeah, I suppose if you look straight ahead, there stands Kasich, Tea Party darling when elected Ohio Governor and Bill O’Reilly’s favorite pinch hitter.
Back in the 1990s, whenever Gingrich, Armey, and Delay gathered for a photo-op, there stood Kasich giving the three of them a reach-around.
And, yes, I think if a Constitutional Amendment was brought to a vote to restrict the voting franchise to those who own property and any number of other “qualifications”, such as disallowing those receiving welfare, food stamps, and Obama subsidies from voting, you’d probably get close to 40% voting in favor, and I know who those 40% would be and so would everyone else, even if we were feigning astonishment like the last blushing bride in the country learning what happens on the honeymoon.
I don’t know, I thought cleek’s recital of Kasich’s moderate bonafides was kind of astonishing.
Global warming for one:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/in_the_presence_of_my_enemies057004.php
I suppose if you lean way out the Overton Window for a view these a days, there is only one way to look any longer — to the Left — since there is nothing but gravitational black hole to the Right, and yeah, I suppose if you look straight ahead, there stands Kasich, Tea Party darling when elected Ohio Governor and Bill O’Reilly’s favorite pinch hitter.
Back in the 1990s, whenever Gingrich, Armey, and Delay gathered for a photo-op, there stood Kasich giving the three of them a reach-around.
And, yes, I think if a Constitutional Amendment was brought to a vote to restrict the voting franchise to those who own property and any number of other “qualifications”, such as disallowing those receiving welfare, food stamps, and Obama subsidies from voting, you’d probably get close to 40% voting in favor, and I know who those 40% would be and so would everyone else, even if we were feigning astonishment like the last blushing bride in the country learning what happens on the honeymoon.
I don’t know, I thought cleek’s recital of Kasich’s moderate bonafides was kind of astonishing.
Global warming for one:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_08/in_the_presence_of_my_enemies057004.php
I suppose if you lean way out the Overton Window for a view these a days, there is only one way to look any longer — to the Left — since there is nothing but gravitational black hole to the Right, and yeah, I suppose if you look straight ahead, there stands Kasich, Tea Party darling when elected Ohio Governor and Bill O’Reilly’s favorite pinch hitter.
Back in the 1990s, whenever Gingrich, Armey, and Delay gathered for a photo-op, there stood Kasich giving the three of them a reach-around.
And, yes, I think if a Constitutional Amendment was brought to a vote to restrict the voting franchise to those who own property and any number of other “qualifications”, such as disallowing those receiving welfare, food stamps, and Obama subsidies from voting, you’d probably get close to 40% voting in favor, and I know who those 40% would be and so would everyone else, even if we were feigning astonishment like the last blushing bride in the country learning what happens on the honeymoon.
Well, GOPsters are quite open about being for the lowest election turnout possible. Some say, they only want ‘engaged, informed’ voters, others are honest enough to say that low turnout = GOP win, high turnout = Dem win => low turnout favors them. I also distinctly remember calls for an end to universal suffrage and for a return to a modernized version of the original US voting system (and who will be the landed gentry of today, I wonder?).
As I have stated numerous times here: The US show unpleasant similarities to the late Roman republic with the GOP as the Optimates and the Dems as the Populares. The only thing yet missing are Caesar and Pompeius (while there are enough Crassus candidates already).
Well, GOPsters are quite open about being for the lowest election turnout possible. Some say, they only want ‘engaged, informed’ voters, others are honest enough to say that low turnout = GOP win, high turnout = Dem win => low turnout favors them. I also distinctly remember calls for an end to universal suffrage and for a return to a modernized version of the original US voting system (and who will be the landed gentry of today, I wonder?).
As I have stated numerous times here: The US show unpleasant similarities to the late Roman republic with the GOP as the Optimates and the Dems as the Populares. The only thing yet missing are Caesar and Pompeius (while there are enough Crassus candidates already).
Well, GOPsters are quite open about being for the lowest election turnout possible. Some say, they only want ‘engaged, informed’ voters, others are honest enough to say that low turnout = GOP win, high turnout = Dem win => low turnout favors them. I also distinctly remember calls for an end to universal suffrage and for a return to a modernized version of the original US voting system (and who will be the landed gentry of today, I wonder?).
As I have stated numerous times here: The US show unpleasant similarities to the late Roman republic with the GOP as the Optimates and the Dems as the Populares. The only thing yet missing are Caesar and Pompeius (while there are enough Crassus candidates already).
By the way, Fiorina and Rubio joined the Erickson bukkakefest the other day and agreed they were ready for a government shutdown over Planned Parenthood.
Ready to govern, she is, hanh?
By the way, Fiorina and Rubio joined the Erickson bukkakefest the other day and agreed they were ready for a government shutdown over Planned Parenthood.
Ready to govern, she is, hanh?
By the way, Fiorina and Rubio joined the Erickson bukkakefest the other day and agreed they were ready for a government shutdown over Planned Parenthood.
Ready to govern, she is, hanh?
No, what you are observing are antibodies forming in the body politic to fight the Jade Helm disease.
Sometimes a fever forms in response to disease, but maybe it will help burn the disease out of the system, unless the patient dies.
Jade Helm disease beings one of a myriad of related auto-immune diseases whose symptoms have presented themselves in the political base and been encouraged by one particular political party these last few decades.
The source may be a prion savaging the brain tissue, which, as Dr. Casey Stengel might tell you, “leads to peculiarities of the mind”.
I lean to a genetic predisposition myself, but when I lean too far, I tend to fall over.
No, what you are observing are antibodies forming in the body politic to fight the Jade Helm disease.
Sometimes a fever forms in response to disease, but maybe it will help burn the disease out of the system, unless the patient dies.
Jade Helm disease beings one of a myriad of related auto-immune diseases whose symptoms have presented themselves in the political base and been encouraged by one particular political party these last few decades.
The source may be a prion savaging the brain tissue, which, as Dr. Casey Stengel might tell you, “leads to peculiarities of the mind”.
I lean to a genetic predisposition myself, but when I lean too far, I tend to fall over.
No, what you are observing are antibodies forming in the body politic to fight the Jade Helm disease.
Sometimes a fever forms in response to disease, but maybe it will help burn the disease out of the system, unless the patient dies.
Jade Helm disease beings one of a myriad of related auto-immune diseases whose symptoms have presented themselves in the political base and been encouraged by one particular political party these last few decades.
The source may be a prion savaging the brain tissue, which, as Dr. Casey Stengel might tell you, “leads to peculiarities of the mind”.
I lean to a genetic predisposition myself, but when I lean too far, I tend to fall over.
Jade Helm Disease, much like Ebola, was bad enough when observed in remote locations among the lower species — bats, monkeys, moss-backed flibberty-gibbits in Texas.
But when the symptoms begin showing up in Governor’s Mansions, legislatures, websites, radio and TV studios and the like, it becomes time for stronger countermeasures … quarantines and the like.
The NRA says it has developed a vaccine but they keep trying to inject the wrong people.
Jade Helm Disease, much like Ebola, was bad enough when observed in remote locations among the lower species — bats, monkeys, moss-backed flibberty-gibbits in Texas.
But when the symptoms begin showing up in Governor’s Mansions, legislatures, websites, radio and TV studios and the like, it becomes time for stronger countermeasures … quarantines and the like.
The NRA says it has developed a vaccine but they keep trying to inject the wrong people.
Jade Helm Disease, much like Ebola, was bad enough when observed in remote locations among the lower species — bats, monkeys, moss-backed flibberty-gibbits in Texas.
But when the symptoms begin showing up in Governor’s Mansions, legislatures, websites, radio and TV studios and the like, it becomes time for stronger countermeasures … quarantines and the like.
The NRA says it has developed a vaccine but they keep trying to inject the wrong people.
“I lean to a genetic predisposition myself, but when I lean too far, I tend to fall over.”
I’m inclined to agree with you.
“I lean to a genetic predisposition myself, but when I lean too far, I tend to fall over.”
I’m inclined to agree with you.
“I lean to a genetic predisposition myself, but when I lean too far, I tend to fall over.”
I’m inclined to agree with you.
“The US show unpleasant similarities to the late Roman republic with the GOP as the Optimates and the Dems as the Populares”
Only a complete lack of self awareness would allow the Dems to be considered the Populares. The majority of small assemblies of people in this country are Republican, the miniscule wins in the Presidency aside. The coalition of Wealthy and elitist intellectuals are Optimates led by the singular least populist leader in memory. No party has worked so hard to bypass the peoples forums as the modern Democrats and the Obama administration.
“The US show unpleasant similarities to the late Roman republic with the GOP as the Optimates and the Dems as the Populares”
Only a complete lack of self awareness would allow the Dems to be considered the Populares. The majority of small assemblies of people in this country are Republican, the miniscule wins in the Presidency aside. The coalition of Wealthy and elitist intellectuals are Optimates led by the singular least populist leader in memory. No party has worked so hard to bypass the peoples forums as the modern Democrats and the Obama administration.
“The US show unpleasant similarities to the late Roman republic with the GOP as the Optimates and the Dems as the Populares”
Only a complete lack of self awareness would allow the Dems to be considered the Populares. The majority of small assemblies of people in this country are Republican, the miniscule wins in the Presidency aside. The coalition of Wealthy and elitist intellectuals are Optimates led by the singular least populist leader in memory. No party has worked so hard to bypass the peoples forums as the modern Democrats and the Obama administration.
speaking of astonishingly crazy…
speaking of astonishingly crazy…
speaking of astonishingly crazy…
In a nation where The Donald is seen (and not just by himself) as a populist, Marty’s analysis is NOT “astonishingly” crazy.
–TP
In a nation where The Donald is seen (and not just by himself) as a populist, Marty’s analysis is NOT “astonishingly” crazy.
–TP
In a nation where The Donald is seen (and not just by himself) as a populist, Marty’s analysis is NOT “astonishingly” crazy.
–TP
The majority of small assemblies of people in this country are Republican….
This could use a little statistical unpacking. I can see it wiggling all the way from over here.
The majority of small assemblies of people in this country are Republican….
This could use a little statistical unpacking. I can see it wiggling all the way from over here.
The majority of small assemblies of people in this country are Republican….
This could use a little statistical unpacking. I can see it wiggling all the way from over here.
Governors, house seats, state legislatures, I cant speak to county government but I’ll check around. Isn’t hard to unpack.
Governors, house seats, state legislatures, I cant speak to county government but I’ll check around. Isn’t hard to unpack.
Governors, house seats, state legislatures, I cant speak to county government but I’ll check around. Isn’t hard to unpack.
Sure, but the questions become – how big is the majority in a given body, and how many people does that body represent?
Sure, but the questions become – how big is the majority in a given body, and how many people does that body represent?
Sure, but the questions become – how big is the majority in a given body, and how many people does that body represent?
The majority of small assemblies…
ain’t gerrymandering great?
it’s how you can win 48% of the vote (2012) and win a majority of House seats. then win 52% (2014) and get 57% of the House seats.
and then you can parade around in your skivvies shouting “they love us! they really love us!”
The majority of small assemblies…
ain’t gerrymandering great?
it’s how you can win 48% of the vote (2012) and win a majority of House seats. then win 52% (2014) and get 57% of the House seats.
and then you can parade around in your skivvies shouting “they love us! they really love us!”
The majority of small assemblies…
ain’t gerrymandering great?
it’s how you can win 48% of the vote (2012) and win a majority of House seats. then win 52% (2014) and get 57% of the House seats.
and then you can parade around in your skivvies shouting “they love us! they really love us!”
Then there’s this.
Then there’s this.
Then there’s this.
If you are going to ask “Is this a populist party?” you need two things:
1) what percentage of the votes do you need in order to qualify? A simple majority? Some level more than that?
2) what percentage of the nationwide total votes for, for example, Congress did that party get. (The number of Representatives elected is irrelevant.) Or, if you prefer, what percentage of the total votes for state legislators did that party get?
If you are going to ask “Is this a populist party?” you need two things:
1) what percentage of the votes do you need in order to qualify? A simple majority? Some level more than that?
2) what percentage of the nationwide total votes for, for example, Congress did that party get. (The number of Representatives elected is irrelevant.) Or, if you prefer, what percentage of the total votes for state legislators did that party get?
If you are going to ask “Is this a populist party?” you need two things:
1) what percentage of the votes do you need in order to qualify? A simple majority? Some level more than that?
2) what percentage of the nationwide total votes for, for example, Congress did that party get. (The number of Representatives elected is irrelevant.) Or, if you prefer, what percentage of the total votes for state legislators did that party get?
can someone explain to me what’s “populist” about wanting to repeal the 17th A ?
can someone explain to me what’s “populist” about wanting to repeal the 17th A ?
can someone explain to me what’s “populist” about wanting to repeal the 17th A ?
Actually, no, not really. Popular != populist. Identifying populism requires a look at the demographics of candidates moreso than voters, as well as (nost importantly) a look at platforms and rhetoric. The Tea Party and Occupy movements both have legitimate populist leanings (although the Tea Party, in its fawning reverence for materialism, is more inclined to identify with monied elites who spout the right buzzwords, while Occupy, in typical leftist fashion, is more concerned with ideological purity and thus is far less significant politically). The Democrats and Republicans at large? Not so much.
Actually, no, not really. Popular != populist. Identifying populism requires a look at the demographics of candidates moreso than voters, as well as (nost importantly) a look at platforms and rhetoric. The Tea Party and Occupy movements both have legitimate populist leanings (although the Tea Party, in its fawning reverence for materialism, is more inclined to identify with monied elites who spout the right buzzwords, while Occupy, in typical leftist fashion, is more concerned with ideological purity and thus is far less significant politically). The Democrats and Republicans at large? Not so much.
Actually, no, not really. Popular != populist. Identifying populism requires a look at the demographics of candidates moreso than voters, as well as (nost importantly) a look at platforms and rhetoric. The Tea Party and Occupy movements both have legitimate populist leanings (although the Tea Party, in its fawning reverence for materialism, is more inclined to identify with monied elites who spout the right buzzwords, while Occupy, in typical leftist fashion, is more concerned with ideological purity and thus is far less significant politically). The Democrats and Republicans at large? Not so much.
Also populares <> populist (in the modern sense). It’s still an unresolved question among historians, whether the Gracchi (the embodiment of populares) were actually concerned about the commoners, simply noticed that business as usual would sooner or later lead to a bloody revolution or were just cynical demagogues that feigned concern for the commoners just as a tool to better their own political position. In the US Dems you will find all of these (FDR being the poster child for the middle position: an aristocrat opening the safety valve to prevent an explosion).
Also populares <> populist (in the modern sense). It’s still an unresolved question among historians, whether the Gracchi (the embodiment of populares) were actually concerned about the commoners, simply noticed that business as usual would sooner or later lead to a bloody revolution or were just cynical demagogues that feigned concern for the commoners just as a tool to better their own political position. In the US Dems you will find all of these (FDR being the poster child for the middle position: an aristocrat opening the safety valve to prevent an explosion).
Also populares <> populist (in the modern sense). It’s still an unresolved question among historians, whether the Gracchi (the embodiment of populares) were actually concerned about the commoners, simply noticed that business as usual would sooner or later lead to a bloody revolution or were just cynical demagogues that feigned concern for the commoners just as a tool to better their own political position. In the US Dems you will find all of these (FDR being the poster child for the middle position: an aristocrat opening the safety valve to prevent an explosion).
Why cleek, you silly goose, isn’t it obvious? The 17th Amendment is Washington meddling in what is plainly state business, and by default anything that snubs Federal institutions in favor of state ones is a blow struck for the interests of the common man. Get your Federal government hands off of Congress!
Why cleek, you silly goose, isn’t it obvious? The 17th Amendment is Washington meddling in what is plainly state business, and by default anything that snubs Federal institutions in favor of state ones is a blow struck for the interests of the common man. Get your Federal government hands off of Congress!
Why cleek, you silly goose, isn’t it obvious? The 17th Amendment is Washington meddling in what is plainly state business, and by default anything that snubs Federal institutions in favor of state ones is a blow struck for the interests of the common man. Get your Federal government hands off of Congress!
Anybody got numbers on the number of Democratic Senators from states with Republican state legislators? Vs the number of Republican Senators from states with Democratic state legislators?
That will tell you all you need to know about the importance of the 17th Amendment. And to whom.
Anybody got numbers on the number of Democratic Senators from states with Republican state legislators? Vs the number of Republican Senators from states with Democratic state legislators?
That will tell you all you need to know about the importance of the 17th Amendment. And to whom.
Anybody got numbers on the number of Democratic Senators from states with Republican state legislators? Vs the number of Republican Senators from states with Democratic state legislators?
That will tell you all you need to know about the importance of the 17th Amendment. And to whom.
The Count’s performance art aside, this is the most astonishingly crazy thing I have read in OW comments in recent memory.
Props.
Well, looks like I am off the hook for a while.
The Count’s performance art aside, this is the most astonishingly crazy thing I have read in OW comments in recent memory.
Props.
Well, looks like I am off the hook for a while.
The Count’s performance art aside, this is the most astonishingly crazy thing I have read in OW comments in recent memory.
Props.
Well, looks like I am off the hook for a while.
Populists come cheap when the oligarchy and the elites dangle the cash:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/10/turn-on-your-lights-let-it-shine-on-me/
The Kochs buy the populist rubes too.
Please, sir, keep my wages low while I vote to cut your taxes.
Please, sir, keep the federal government’s hands off my Medicare.
Populists come cheap when the oligarchy and the elites dangle the cash:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/10/turn-on-your-lights-let-it-shine-on-me/
The Kochs buy the populist rubes too.
Please, sir, keep my wages low while I vote to cut your taxes.
Please, sir, keep the federal government’s hands off my Medicare.
Populists come cheap when the oligarchy and the elites dangle the cash:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/10/turn-on-your-lights-let-it-shine-on-me/
The Kochs buy the populist rubes too.
Please, sir, keep my wages low while I vote to cut your taxes.
Please, sir, keep the federal government’s hands off my Medicare.
The majority of small assemblies in the Confederacy were nearly all of one party too.
John Wilkes Booth was a populist putting a bullet in an elitist’s head.
Everyone has merely switched places for the next round of the passion play.
I’m not a Barbara Streisand Democrat, as she’ll learn when her taxes go up.
The majority of small assemblies in the Confederacy were nearly all of one party too.
John Wilkes Booth was a populist putting a bullet in an elitist’s head.
Everyone has merely switched places for the next round of the passion play.
I’m not a Barbara Streisand Democrat, as she’ll learn when her taxes go up.
The majority of small assemblies in the Confederacy were nearly all of one party too.
John Wilkes Booth was a populist putting a bullet in an elitist’s head.
Everyone has merely switched places for the next round of the passion play.
I’m not a Barbara Streisand Democrat, as she’ll learn when her taxes go up.
Fiorini treated her campaign staff like her Hewlett Packard employees and like she’ll treat ordinary Americans if she gets anywhere near Federal office:
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/10/the_gops_carly_conspiracy_why_carly_fiorina_is_surging_in_the_republican_primary_and_what_it_means/
However, it will sound so much better for the Republicans if Fiorini is going after Clinton’s post-menopausal hormonal imbalances rather than having the ten bohunk cave-men doing the job.
A vagina even a Koch could love.
If Fiorini’s poll numbers continue to ascend in the primaries, expect the ten male Republican dwarves to put a lot of time and money into tracking down her personal medical records for evidence of abortions.
Unless the Kochs and FOX decide to erect a bullet-proof chastity belt around her nether regions, so the small assemblies in the country buy that she’s just another big winging republican d&ck.
Fiorini treated her campaign staff like her Hewlett Packard employees and like she’ll treat ordinary Americans if she gets anywhere near Federal office:
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/10/the_gops_carly_conspiracy_why_carly_fiorina_is_surging_in_the_republican_primary_and_what_it_means/
However, it will sound so much better for the Republicans if Fiorini is going after Clinton’s post-menopausal hormonal imbalances rather than having the ten bohunk cave-men doing the job.
A vagina even a Koch could love.
If Fiorini’s poll numbers continue to ascend in the primaries, expect the ten male Republican dwarves to put a lot of time and money into tracking down her personal medical records for evidence of abortions.
Unless the Kochs and FOX decide to erect a bullet-proof chastity belt around her nether regions, so the small assemblies in the country buy that she’s just another big winging republican d&ck.
Fiorini treated her campaign staff like her Hewlett Packard employees and like she’ll treat ordinary Americans if she gets anywhere near Federal office:
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/10/the_gops_carly_conspiracy_why_carly_fiorina_is_surging_in_the_republican_primary_and_what_it_means/
However, it will sound so much better for the Republicans if Fiorini is going after Clinton’s post-menopausal hormonal imbalances rather than having the ten bohunk cave-men doing the job.
A vagina even a Koch could love.
If Fiorini’s poll numbers continue to ascend in the primaries, expect the ten male Republican dwarves to put a lot of time and money into tracking down her personal medical records for evidence of abortions.
Unless the Kochs and FOX decide to erect a bullet-proof chastity belt around her nether regions, so the small assemblies in the country buy that she’s just another big winging republican d&ck.
If you look at the numbers, and gauge who received the most enthusiasm, the small assemblies during the recent debate sided with the extremely wealthy resentment monger playing at Palin populism, Donald Trump, against their previous extremely wealthy sugar daddy, the Murdoch empire, playing at Palin populism, commandeered by the Roger Ailes.
Now the two elite pigf*ckers have kissed and made up, creating their own small assembly.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/yes-course-donald-trump-fueled-politics-resentment
Champagne wishes and caviar dreams will be all that’s left of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
If you look at the numbers, and gauge who received the most enthusiasm, the small assemblies during the recent debate sided with the extremely wealthy resentment monger playing at Palin populism, Donald Trump, against their previous extremely wealthy sugar daddy, the Murdoch empire, playing at Palin populism, commandeered by the Roger Ailes.
Now the two elite pigf*ckers have kissed and made up, creating their own small assembly.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/yes-course-donald-trump-fueled-politics-resentment
Champagne wishes and caviar dreams will be all that’s left of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
If you look at the numbers, and gauge who received the most enthusiasm, the small assemblies during the recent debate sided with the extremely wealthy resentment monger playing at Palin populism, Donald Trump, against their previous extremely wealthy sugar daddy, the Murdoch empire, playing at Palin populism, commandeered by the Roger Ailes.
Now the two elite pigf*ckers have kissed and made up, creating their own small assembly.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/yes-course-donald-trump-fueled-politics-resentment
Champagne wishes and caviar dreams will be all that’s left of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
The small assemblies in New Jersey and Wisconsin, of all political stripes, now hate their respective populist Republican mentors:
Chris Christie and Scott Walker.
The small assemblies in New Jersey and Wisconsin, of all political stripes, now hate their respective populist Republican mentors:
Chris Christie and Scott Walker.
The small assemblies in New Jersey and Wisconsin, of all political stripes, now hate their respective populist Republican mentors:
Chris Christie and Scott Walker.
In a nation where The Donald is seen (and not just by himself) as a populist, Marty’s analysis is NOT “astonishingly” crazy.
In a sane country, saying that Obama was even simply less populist than his predecessor (a blueblood New England scion with degrees from Yale and Harvard who benefited enormously from family wealth and whose policies heavily favored the fiscal elite) would be laughable. Sadly, I agree that it’s actually an entirely reasonable assertion just given how much weight rhetoric holds in our national discourse. It isn’t for no reason that Trump can actually get called populist w/o the laugh track cuing. It is for no good reason, but that’s another matter entirely.
In a nation where The Donald is seen (and not just by himself) as a populist, Marty’s analysis is NOT “astonishingly” crazy.
In a sane country, saying that Obama was even simply less populist than his predecessor (a blueblood New England scion with degrees from Yale and Harvard who benefited enormously from family wealth and whose policies heavily favored the fiscal elite) would be laughable. Sadly, I agree that it’s actually an entirely reasonable assertion just given how much weight rhetoric holds in our national discourse. It isn’t for no reason that Trump can actually get called populist w/o the laugh track cuing. It is for no good reason, but that’s another matter entirely.
In a nation where The Donald is seen (and not just by himself) as a populist, Marty’s analysis is NOT “astonishingly” crazy.
In a sane country, saying that Obama was even simply less populist than his predecessor (a blueblood New England scion with degrees from Yale and Harvard who benefited enormously from family wealth and whose policies heavily favored the fiscal elite) would be laughable. Sadly, I agree that it’s actually an entirely reasonable assertion just given how much weight rhetoric holds in our national discourse. It isn’t for no reason that Trump can actually get called populist w/o the laugh track cuing. It is for no good reason, but that’s another matter entirely.
The laugh track has been cued, but it doesn’t matter.
The malign clowns and their malign intentions expressed in a malign manner are no longer mediated by either good-natured or vicious satire and ridicule to dilute the malignity, and burn if off into the atmosphere as a relatively harmless byproduct.
You can see now that the malign wear the satire and ridicule as a badge, as Trump is bringing to the fore and further emboldening
those who so effing sincere about their malign intentions for tens of millions of people in this country.
Goosestepping seemed worthy of pointing and laughing too when the craze started. Then it became just another acceptable way of walking all over the Other. Gosh, those floppy shoes do more damage than we thought.
It’s another step toward “astonishing and crazy” that no one would have imagined 25 years ago in the swiftly deteriorating civil discourse.
Discourse, which I believe, will terminate at some point in unbelievable, astonishing violence, unlike anything this country has ever experienced domestically, against the malignity of the Republican Party.
Worse than against the Confederacy, because the weaponry the Republican Party has placed in the public’s hands is astonishingly more lethal.
I’m probably wrong, which wouldn’t be astonishing.
If I’m right, there will be no time left to be astonished.
We can still step back, but when it starts, it’s over. No uniforms, no sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcwTxRuq-uk
The laugh track has been cued, but it doesn’t matter.
The malign clowns and their malign intentions expressed in a malign manner are no longer mediated by either good-natured or vicious satire and ridicule to dilute the malignity, and burn if off into the atmosphere as a relatively harmless byproduct.
You can see now that the malign wear the satire and ridicule as a badge, as Trump is bringing to the fore and further emboldening
those who so effing sincere about their malign intentions for tens of millions of people in this country.
Goosestepping seemed worthy of pointing and laughing too when the craze started. Then it became just another acceptable way of walking all over the Other. Gosh, those floppy shoes do more damage than we thought.
It’s another step toward “astonishing and crazy” that no one would have imagined 25 years ago in the swiftly deteriorating civil discourse.
Discourse, which I believe, will terminate at some point in unbelievable, astonishing violence, unlike anything this country has ever experienced domestically, against the malignity of the Republican Party.
Worse than against the Confederacy, because the weaponry the Republican Party has placed in the public’s hands is astonishingly more lethal.
I’m probably wrong, which wouldn’t be astonishing.
If I’m right, there will be no time left to be astonished.
We can still step back, but when it starts, it’s over. No uniforms, no sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcwTxRuq-uk
The laugh track has been cued, but it doesn’t matter.
The malign clowns and their malign intentions expressed in a malign manner are no longer mediated by either good-natured or vicious satire and ridicule to dilute the malignity, and burn if off into the atmosphere as a relatively harmless byproduct.
You can see now that the malign wear the satire and ridicule as a badge, as Trump is bringing to the fore and further emboldening
those who so effing sincere about their malign intentions for tens of millions of people in this country.
Goosestepping seemed worthy of pointing and laughing too when the craze started. Then it became just another acceptable way of walking all over the Other. Gosh, those floppy shoes do more damage than we thought.
It’s another step toward “astonishing and crazy” that no one would have imagined 25 years ago in the swiftly deteriorating civil discourse.
Discourse, which I believe, will terminate at some point in unbelievable, astonishing violence, unlike anything this country has ever experienced domestically, against the malignity of the Republican Party.
Worse than against the Confederacy, because the weaponry the Republican Party has placed in the public’s hands is astonishingly more lethal.
I’m probably wrong, which wouldn’t be astonishing.
If I’m right, there will be no time left to be astonished.
We can still step back, but when it starts, it’s over. No uniforms, no sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcwTxRuq-uk
The laugh track has been cued, but it doesn’t matter.
The malign clowns and their malign intentions expressed in a malign manner are no longer mediated by either good-natured or vicious satire and ridicule to dilute the malignity, and burn if off into the atmosphere as a relatively harmless byproduct.
You can see now that the malign wear the satire and ridicule as a badge, as Trump is bringing to the fore and further emboldening
those who so effing sincere about their malign intentions for tens of millions of people in this country.
Goosestepping seemed worthy of pointing and laughing too when the craze started. Then it became just another acceptable way of walking all over the Other. Gosh, those floppy shoes do more damage than we thought.
It’s another step toward “astonishing and crazy” that no one would have imagined 25 years ago in the swiftly deteriorating civil discourse.
Discourse, which I believe, will terminate at some point in unbelievable, astonishing violence, unlike anything this country has ever experienced domestically, against the malignity of the Republican Party.
Worse than against the Confederacy, because the weaponry the Republican Party has placed in the public’s hands is astonishingly more lethal.
I’m probably wrong, which wouldn’t be astonishing.
If I’m right, there will be no time left to be astonished.
We can still step back, but when it starts, it’s over. No uniforms, no sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcwTxRuq-uk
The laugh track has been cued, but it doesn’t matter.
The malign clowns and their malign intentions expressed in a malign manner are no longer mediated by either good-natured or vicious satire and ridicule to dilute the malignity, and burn if off into the atmosphere as a relatively harmless byproduct.
You can see now that the malign wear the satire and ridicule as a badge, as Trump is bringing to the fore and further emboldening
those who so effing sincere about their malign intentions for tens of millions of people in this country.
Goosestepping seemed worthy of pointing and laughing too when the craze started. Then it became just another acceptable way of walking all over the Other. Gosh, those floppy shoes do more damage than we thought.
It’s another step toward “astonishing and crazy” that no one would have imagined 25 years ago in the swiftly deteriorating civil discourse.
Discourse, which I believe, will terminate at some point in unbelievable, astonishing violence, unlike anything this country has ever experienced domestically, against the malignity of the Republican Party.
Worse than against the Confederacy, because the weaponry the Republican Party has placed in the public’s hands is astonishingly more lethal.
I’m probably wrong, which wouldn’t be astonishing.
If I’m right, there will be no time left to be astonished.
We can still step back, but when it starts, it’s over. No uniforms, no sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcwTxRuq-uk
The laugh track has been cued, but it doesn’t matter.
The malign clowns and their malign intentions expressed in a malign manner are no longer mediated by either good-natured or vicious satire and ridicule to dilute the malignity, and burn if off into the atmosphere as a relatively harmless byproduct.
You can see now that the malign wear the satire and ridicule as a badge, as Trump is bringing to the fore and further emboldening
those who so effing sincere about their malign intentions for tens of millions of people in this country.
Goosestepping seemed worthy of pointing and laughing too when the craze started. Then it became just another acceptable way of walking all over the Other. Gosh, those floppy shoes do more damage than we thought.
It’s another step toward “astonishing and crazy” that no one would have imagined 25 years ago in the swiftly deteriorating civil discourse.
Discourse, which I believe, will terminate at some point in unbelievable, astonishing violence, unlike anything this country has ever experienced domestically, against the malignity of the Republican Party.
Worse than against the Confederacy, because the weaponry the Republican Party has placed in the public’s hands is astonishingly more lethal.
I’m probably wrong, which wouldn’t be astonishing.
If I’m right, there will be no time left to be astonished.
We can still step back, but when it starts, it’s over. No uniforms, no sides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcwTxRuq-uk
OK, the Count’s starting to repeaat himself. I think that means it’s time to start hammering the Democrats for a while instead. (Just until he gets his mojo back….)
OK, the Count’s starting to repeaat himself. I think that means it’s time to start hammering the Democrats for a while instead. (Just until he gets his mojo back….)
OK, the Count’s starting to repeaat himself. I think that means it’s time to start hammering the Democrats for a while instead. (Just until he gets his mojo back….)
My hammer’s available for beating up on Democrats too, if anyone wants to use it.
If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a million times …
Lawn. Get off it. 😉
My hammer’s available for beating up on Democrats too, if anyone wants to use it.
If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a million times …
Lawn. Get off it. 😉
My hammer’s available for beating up on Democrats too, if anyone wants to use it.
If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a million times …
Lawn. Get off it. 😉
I’m astonished, but the wonks repeat wonkie right on cue:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
I’m astonished, but the wonks repeat wonkie right on cue:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
I’m astonished, but the wonks repeat wonkie right on cue:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
I think that means it’s time to start hammering the Democrats for a while instead.
Anybody remember “YEEAARRRGGGHHH!!”
Good times.
The things you think are useless, I can’t understand.
I think that means it’s time to start hammering the Democrats for a while instead.
Anybody remember “YEEAARRRGGGHHH!!”
Good times.
The things you think are useless, I can’t understand.
I think that means it’s time to start hammering the Democrats for a while instead.
Anybody remember “YEEAARRRGGGHHH!!”
Good times.
The things you think are useless, I can’t understand.
I love the guitar in that one.
I love the guitar in that one.
I love the guitar in that one.
Ah, incomprehensible lyrics.
Pre – Internet, I always wondered what was meant by ‘are you really in the yeast’…
Ah, incomprehensible lyrics.
Pre – Internet, I always wondered what was meant by ‘are you really in the yeast’…
Ah, incomprehensible lyrics.
Pre – Internet, I always wondered what was meant by ‘are you really in the yeast’…
Dumpster diving with Fiorina:
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1
She’s bullsh*t her way through life, so the Republican base ought to be easy marks.
Dumpster diving with Fiorina:
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1
She’s bullsh*t her way through life, so the Republican base ought to be easy marks.
Dumpster diving with Fiorina:
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-non-californians-carly-fiorina-20150811-column.html#page=1
She’s bullsh*t her way through life, so the Republican base ought to be easy marks.
Kevin Drum has it about right, that the bullsh*t concept of “political correctness” is what enrages the Republican small-d*cked base now enthralled with Trump.
Send the armed, pigf*cking, a*swipe subhuman filth over to me for a politically incorrect
assessment.
Kevin Drum has it about right, that the bullsh*t concept of “political correctness” is what enrages the Republican small-d*cked base now enthralled with Trump.
Send the armed, pigf*cking, a*swipe subhuman filth over to me for a politically incorrect
assessment.
Kevin Drum has it about right, that the bullsh*t concept of “political correctness” is what enrages the Republican small-d*cked base now enthralled with Trump.
Send the armed, pigf*cking, a*swipe subhuman filth over to me for a politically incorrect
assessment.
Segueing back to the UK’s debate over who should be the next leader of the Labour party, I came across this priceless comment (on politicalbetting.com), which gives even the Count a run for his money (and is pretty well applicable to the Republican contest, too):
Please forgive the analogy, but I can’t think of a better one.
The Labour party is reaching the end of a long, self-satisfied wank. Soon it will ejaculate Jeremy Corbyn into the face of the British public; and will then be mystified about why everyone is revolted instead of cheering to the rafters…
Segueing back to the UK’s debate over who should be the next leader of the Labour party, I came across this priceless comment (on politicalbetting.com), which gives even the Count a run for his money (and is pretty well applicable to the Republican contest, too):
Please forgive the analogy, but I can’t think of a better one.
The Labour party is reaching the end of a long, self-satisfied wank. Soon it will ejaculate Jeremy Corbyn into the face of the British public; and will then be mystified about why everyone is revolted instead of cheering to the rafters…
Segueing back to the UK’s debate over who should be the next leader of the Labour party, I came across this priceless comment (on politicalbetting.com), which gives even the Count a run for his money (and is pretty well applicable to the Republican contest, too):
Please forgive the analogy, but I can’t think of a better one.
The Labour party is reaching the end of a long, self-satisfied wank. Soon it will ejaculate Jeremy Corbyn into the face of the British public; and will then be mystified about why everyone is revolted instead of cheering to the rafters…
Who is to blame for the Trump ascendancy, and the removal of the hood from the predatory right wing carrion birds who have been ravening to feed on the pure red meat of “political incorrectness”?
Why, the witchdoctor, himself:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-massive-failure-delivered-trump-093000496.html
After the racist, misogynist, nativist, brinksmanship behavior of the so-called Republican Party and its poisoned tea of enablers in the base, and the press against all of its enemies in this country these past seven (40) years, the sniveling vermin just can’t bring themselves to admit what dysfunctional filth they are.
When they look in the mirror and ask who is the fairest of them all, and Trump’s angry red face appears, hugely, all they know to do is turn off the dash cam and take a head shot at the black guy and then lie under oath.
Trump is their pop culture embodiment, but he’s merely provisional and nothing compared to what these scum will vomit up in a few years.
The next right-wing monster in this country won’t be wearing floppy shoes. He’ll be a real killer who will unleash the full bile and violence of resentment of the armed neutered white, whining, male base and their Dagny Taggerts against all of their enemies.
But, don’t worry, there will be deep tax cuts, too, so plenty of “moderate” conservatives will go along with the Republican Pinochet.
Who is to blame for the Trump ascendancy, and the removal of the hood from the predatory right wing carrion birds who have been ravening to feed on the pure red meat of “political incorrectness”?
Why, the witchdoctor, himself:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-massive-failure-delivered-trump-093000496.html
After the racist, misogynist, nativist, brinksmanship behavior of the so-called Republican Party and its poisoned tea of enablers in the base, and the press against all of its enemies in this country these past seven (40) years, the sniveling vermin just can’t bring themselves to admit what dysfunctional filth they are.
When they look in the mirror and ask who is the fairest of them all, and Trump’s angry red face appears, hugely, all they know to do is turn off the dash cam and take a head shot at the black guy and then lie under oath.
Trump is their pop culture embodiment, but he’s merely provisional and nothing compared to what these scum will vomit up in a few years.
The next right-wing monster in this country won’t be wearing floppy shoes. He’ll be a real killer who will unleash the full bile and violence of resentment of the armed neutered white, whining, male base and their Dagny Taggerts against all of their enemies.
But, don’t worry, there will be deep tax cuts, too, so plenty of “moderate” conservatives will go along with the Republican Pinochet.
Who is to blame for the Trump ascendancy, and the removal of the hood from the predatory right wing carrion birds who have been ravening to feed on the pure red meat of “political incorrectness”?
Why, the witchdoctor, himself:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-massive-failure-delivered-trump-093000496.html
After the racist, misogynist, nativist, brinksmanship behavior of the so-called Republican Party and its poisoned tea of enablers in the base, and the press against all of its enemies in this country these past seven (40) years, the sniveling vermin just can’t bring themselves to admit what dysfunctional filth they are.
When they look in the mirror and ask who is the fairest of them all, and Trump’s angry red face appears, hugely, all they know to do is turn off the dash cam and take a head shot at the black guy and then lie under oath.
Trump is their pop culture embodiment, but he’s merely provisional and nothing compared to what these scum will vomit up in a few years.
The next right-wing monster in this country won’t be wearing floppy shoes. He’ll be a real killer who will unleash the full bile and violence of resentment of the armed neutered white, whining, male base and their Dagny Taggerts against all of their enemies.
But, don’t worry, there will be deep tax cuts, too, so plenty of “moderate” conservatives will go along with the Republican Pinochet.
I read that article just before I came here. Of course its incredibly accurate. You can’t stand in front of the majority of the American public and tell them to f off for 6 years without creating a negative backlash. And Trump is willing to say f you back. His popularity was created by Obama. His downfall will be that the majority of Republicans, even the white male plurality, want good leadership and wont want to trade one ahole for another.
I read that article just before I came here. Of course its incredibly accurate. You can’t stand in front of the majority of the American public and tell them to f off for 6 years without creating a negative backlash. And Trump is willing to say f you back. His popularity was created by Obama. His downfall will be that the majority of Republicans, even the white male plurality, want good leadership and wont want to trade one ahole for another.
I read that article just before I came here. Of course its incredibly accurate. You can’t stand in front of the majority of the American public and tell them to f off for 6 years without creating a negative backlash. And Trump is willing to say f you back. His popularity was created by Obama. His downfall will be that the majority of Republicans, even the white male plurality, want good leadership and wont want to trade one ahole for another.
i utterly cannot imagine the mindset required to see Obama as an ‘asshole’. it’s completely mind-boggling.
“conservatives” have apparently detached themselves from reality.
His downfall will be that the majority of Republicans … want good leadership
i see no evidence to support that assertion.
on the bright side, Bernie is leading Hillary in NH.
i utterly cannot imagine the mindset required to see Obama as an ‘asshole’. it’s completely mind-boggling.
“conservatives” have apparently detached themselves from reality.
His downfall will be that the majority of Republicans … want good leadership
i see no evidence to support that assertion.
on the bright side, Bernie is leading Hillary in NH.
i utterly cannot imagine the mindset required to see Obama as an ‘asshole’. it’s completely mind-boggling.
“conservatives” have apparently detached themselves from reality.
His downfall will be that the majority of Republicans … want good leadership
i see no evidence to support that assertion.
on the bright side, Bernie is leading Hillary in NH.
So you think Trump’s popularity is a backlash against Obama in particular, rather than against political double-talk in general, including that which media personalities engage in, Marty?
In a strange way, I see Trump as the flip side of Jon Stewart. So I see your theory as being as viable as a theory positing that Jon Stewart’s popularity was specifically created by GWB.
That fact that Stewart’s popularity continued on, or even grew, for 6 years beyond GWB’s presidency is like the fact that Trump isn’t running against Obama, but a bunch of people who oppose Obama.
AFAIAC, Obama pulled this country out of the disaster left by GWB, which is a hell of a way to say f off to the majority of the country. I’m sure we disagree on that point, though.
So you think Trump’s popularity is a backlash against Obama in particular, rather than against political double-talk in general, including that which media personalities engage in, Marty?
In a strange way, I see Trump as the flip side of Jon Stewart. So I see your theory as being as viable as a theory positing that Jon Stewart’s popularity was specifically created by GWB.
That fact that Stewart’s popularity continued on, or even grew, for 6 years beyond GWB’s presidency is like the fact that Trump isn’t running against Obama, but a bunch of people who oppose Obama.
AFAIAC, Obama pulled this country out of the disaster left by GWB, which is a hell of a way to say f off to the majority of the country. I’m sure we disagree on that point, though.
So you think Trump’s popularity is a backlash against Obama in particular, rather than against political double-talk in general, including that which media personalities engage in, Marty?
In a strange way, I see Trump as the flip side of Jon Stewart. So I see your theory as being as viable as a theory positing that Jon Stewart’s popularity was specifically created by GWB.
That fact that Stewart’s popularity continued on, or even grew, for 6 years beyond GWB’s presidency is like the fact that Trump isn’t running against Obama, but a bunch of people who oppose Obama.
AFAIAC, Obama pulled this country out of the disaster left by GWB, which is a hell of a way to say f off to the majority of the country. I’m sure we disagree on that point, though.
Obama taking credit for pulling this country put of anything is a stretch. Since then he has done nothing to improve the lot of the majority in this country.
Obama let GWB’s exit agreement in Iraq run its course and added no value. He let the Wall Street guys manage the actual crisis part of the economic upheaval and then f’d up everything he actually tried ever since. Creating the slowest most painful least broad recovery in history. Everything else he has done is for a minority, not all bad but nothing for the majority of people in this country. And several of his pet things were done in spite of majority opposition.
Obama taking credit for pulling this country put of anything is a stretch. Since then he has done nothing to improve the lot of the majority in this country.
Obama let GWB’s exit agreement in Iraq run its course and added no value. He let the Wall Street guys manage the actual crisis part of the economic upheaval and then f’d up everything he actually tried ever since. Creating the slowest most painful least broad recovery in history. Everything else he has done is for a minority, not all bad but nothing for the majority of people in this country. And several of his pet things were done in spite of majority opposition.
Obama taking credit for pulling this country put of anything is a stretch. Since then he has done nothing to improve the lot of the majority in this country.
Obama let GWB’s exit agreement in Iraq run its course and added no value. He let the Wall Street guys manage the actual crisis part of the economic upheaval and then f’d up everything he actually tried ever since. Creating the slowest most painful least broad recovery in history. Everything else he has done is for a minority, not all bad but nothing for the majority of people in this country. And several of his pet things were done in spite of majority opposition.
What majority is this?
See, these people don’t even recognize that he was elected twice legitimately, unlike someone else.
If there was an F off, it has been so mild compared to what was deserved after the vicious hormonal right wing go f&ck yourself administered at this guy from the get go, that as far as I’m concerned, Obama might as well have bent over and taken it from behind.
If Trump finds out you’re on Obamacare, Marty, he’s going to wonder if you’re having your period.
And I love that Bush is now talking foreign policy after the debacle his entire family made of the Mideast.
ISIS is a Bush construct, enabled by the puppet Shiites George W. installed
In Iraq as if he was the tooth fairy leaving a deadly quarter under the world’s pillows.
By leadership, I guess you mean lying bullsh;t.
Another transformation like that, and calling it democracy, with American blood and treasure wasted in that quagmire, and American streets will goddamned burn.
.
What majority is this?
See, these people don’t even recognize that he was elected twice legitimately, unlike someone else.
If there was an F off, it has been so mild compared to what was deserved after the vicious hormonal right wing go f&ck yourself administered at this guy from the get go, that as far as I’m concerned, Obama might as well have bent over and taken it from behind.
If Trump finds out you’re on Obamacare, Marty, he’s going to wonder if you’re having your period.
And I love that Bush is now talking foreign policy after the debacle his entire family made of the Mideast.
ISIS is a Bush construct, enabled by the puppet Shiites George W. installed
In Iraq as if he was the tooth fairy leaving a deadly quarter under the world’s pillows.
By leadership, I guess you mean lying bullsh;t.
Another transformation like that, and calling it democracy, with American blood and treasure wasted in that quagmire, and American streets will goddamned burn.
.
What majority is this?
See, these people don’t even recognize that he was elected twice legitimately, unlike someone else.
If there was an F off, it has been so mild compared to what was deserved after the vicious hormonal right wing go f&ck yourself administered at this guy from the get go, that as far as I’m concerned, Obama might as well have bent over and taken it from behind.
If Trump finds out you’re on Obamacare, Marty, he’s going to wonder if you’re having your period.
And I love that Bush is now talking foreign policy after the debacle his entire family made of the Mideast.
ISIS is a Bush construct, enabled by the puppet Shiites George W. installed
In Iraq as if he was the tooth fairy leaving a deadly quarter under the world’s pillows.
By leadership, I guess you mean lying bullsh;t.
Another transformation like that, and calling it democracy, with American blood and treasure wasted in that quagmire, and American streets will goddamned burn.
.
And I agree that Jon Stewart was a product of GWB backlash. And he remained popular for a long time living off the remnants of that.
And I agree that Jon Stewart was a product of GWB backlash. And he remained popular for a long time living off the remnants of that.
And I agree that Jon Stewart was a product of GWB backlash. And he remained popular for a long time living off the remnants of that.
Trump is just the latest incarnation of that which all partisans always want the most : the loudmouth who will speak the uncomfortable accepted-truths without flinching and take the fight directly to the enemy.
Trump is just the latest incarnation of that which all partisans always want the most : the loudmouth who will speak the uncomfortable accepted-truths without flinching and take the fight directly to the enemy.
Trump is just the latest incarnation of that which all partisans always want the most : the loudmouth who will speak the uncomfortable accepted-truths without flinching and take the fight directly to the enemy.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
If indeed a majority hated Obamacare, which is understandable after the lying scum did a job on it, then the majority can bite me.
Majorities can be very efficient murderers.
If indeed a majority hated Obamacare, which is understandable after the lying scum did a job on it, then the majority can bite me.
Majorities can be very efficient murderers.
If indeed a majority hated Obamacare, which is understandable after the lying scum did a job on it, then the majority can bite me.
Majorities can be very efficient murderers.
Creating the slowest most painful least broad recovery in history.
see if you can spot the difference between Obama and Bush.
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b3/09/b309180e5a6b2ab39da26ff72b570c30.jpg?itok=9ze2DYU3
Creating the slowest most painful least broad recovery in history.
see if you can spot the difference between Obama and Bush.
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b3/09/b309180e5a6b2ab39da26ff72b570c30.jpg?itok=9ze2DYU3
Creating the slowest most painful least broad recovery in history.
see if you can spot the difference between Obama and Bush.
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b3/09/b309180e5a6b2ab39da26ff72b570c30.jpg?itok=9ze2DYU3
There’s a whopping 1 year of the Bush administration in there!
And of course it’s Bush administration policy that all those people were unemployed, and not implosion of practically the entire financial sector.
Overall, I give this point an F-.
There’s a whopping 1 year of the Bush administration in there!
And of course it’s Bush administration policy that all those people were unemployed, and not implosion of practically the entire financial sector.
Overall, I give this point an F-.
There’s a whopping 1 year of the Bush administration in there!
And of course it’s Bush administration policy that all those people were unemployed, and not implosion of practically the entire financial sector.
Overall, I give this point an F-.
There’s a whopping 1 year of the Bush administration in there!
it’s the most consequential year, no? WTF would be added by including any prior years? that year is the year that put us in the position we’re in now. it wasn’t 2004 or 2005. it was the year shown there.
duh
And of course it’s Bush administration policy that all those people were unemployed, and not implosion of practically the entire financial sector.
i know you’re not new to politics. so, i know you’re aware that Presidents get blame and credit for the economy they preside over. and yet you were only compelled to speak up when Bush’s name came up.
Overall, I give this point an F-.
yeah, help yourself to all the F’s you can handle.
There’s a whopping 1 year of the Bush administration in there!
it’s the most consequential year, no? WTF would be added by including any prior years? that year is the year that put us in the position we’re in now. it wasn’t 2004 or 2005. it was the year shown there.
duh
And of course it’s Bush administration policy that all those people were unemployed, and not implosion of practically the entire financial sector.
i know you’re not new to politics. so, i know you’re aware that Presidents get blame and credit for the economy they preside over. and yet you were only compelled to speak up when Bush’s name came up.
Overall, I give this point an F-.
yeah, help yourself to all the F’s you can handle.
There’s a whopping 1 year of the Bush administration in there!
it’s the most consequential year, no? WTF would be added by including any prior years? that year is the year that put us in the position we’re in now. it wasn’t 2004 or 2005. it was the year shown there.
duh
And of course it’s Bush administration policy that all those people were unemployed, and not implosion of practically the entire financial sector.
i know you’re not new to politics. so, i know you’re aware that Presidents get blame and credit for the economy they preside over. and yet you were only compelled to speak up when Bush’s name came up.
Overall, I give this point an F-.
yeah, help yourself to all the F’s you can handle.
Sometimes the squeakiest stupid gets the grease.
You know that this is idiocy, yet you are engaging in it yourself. There’s a word for that, I think, but I can’t recall it just now.
Sometimes the squeakiest stupid gets the grease.
You know that this is idiocy, yet you are engaging in it yourself. There’s a word for that, I think, but I can’t recall it just now.
Sometimes the squeakiest stupid gets the grease.
You know that this is idiocy, yet you are engaging in it yourself. There’s a word for that, I think, but I can’t recall it just now.
. There’s a word for that, I think, but I can’t recall it just now.
the word is “politics”.
i guess i was wrong before. you apparently are new to it.
. There’s a word for that, I think, but I can’t recall it just now.
the word is “politics”.
i guess i was wrong before. you apparently are new to it.
. There’s a word for that, I think, but I can’t recall it just now.
the word is “politics”.
i guess i was wrong before. you apparently are new to it.
I was thinking “hackery”.
It’s something I thought you’d be critical of.
I was thinking “hackery”.
It’s something I thought you’d be critical of.
I was thinking “hackery”.
It’s something I thought you’d be critical of.
And I love that Bush is now talking foreign policy after the debacle his entire family made of the Mideast.
Count, that’s really really unfair. It could apply to Jeb’s brother, of course. But his father actually did a decent job: went in (with decent planning and logistics), booted Saddam out of Kuwait, and got us back out again. An example that Bush II singally failed to follow.
Or was there some other mess of Bush I that you were referring to?
And I love that Bush is now talking foreign policy after the debacle his entire family made of the Mideast.
Count, that’s really really unfair. It could apply to Jeb’s brother, of course. But his father actually did a decent job: went in (with decent planning and logistics), booted Saddam out of Kuwait, and got us back out again. An example that Bush II singally failed to follow.
Or was there some other mess of Bush I that you were referring to?
And I love that Bush is now talking foreign policy after the debacle his entire family made of the Mideast.
Count, that’s really really unfair. It could apply to Jeb’s brother, of course. But his father actually did a decent job: went in (with decent planning and logistics), booted Saddam out of Kuwait, and got us back out again. An example that Bush II singally failed to follow.
Or was there some other mess of Bush I that you were referring to?
Count, The problem, IMO, is that he spent a ton of his political capital getting the ACA passed, then hadn’t addressed lots of other critical things. So, instead of then focusing on jobs, or anything constructive, he worked on keeping the coalition of minorities intact for two so he could get elected again. So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”. For good or bad it is accurate.
Count, The problem, IMO, is that he spent a ton of his political capital getting the ACA passed, then hadn’t addressed lots of other critical things. So, instead of then focusing on jobs, or anything constructive, he worked on keeping the coalition of minorities intact for two so he could get elected again. So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”. For good or bad it is accurate.
Count, The problem, IMO, is that he spent a ton of his political capital getting the ACA passed, then hadn’t addressed lots of other critical things. So, instead of then focusing on jobs, or anything constructive, he worked on keeping the coalition of minorities intact for two so he could get elected again. So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”. For good or bad it is accurate.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
Are you sure, Marty? Bush made the choice to go into Iraq with no planning for what would be done once Saddam was gone. And most of the problems since are a direct result of that choice to go without planning. The enormous expenses we ran up — including the casualties. The Shiite cabel. ISIS. It all stems from that major initial failure.
We know we know how to put a country back together after defeating them. We did it with Germany. We did it with Japan, too, which means it isn’t just a matter of shared culture. But in Iraq, we didn’t even make a serious attempt.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
Are you sure, Marty? Bush made the choice to go into Iraq with no planning for what would be done once Saddam was gone. And most of the problems since are a direct result of that choice to go without planning. The enormous expenses we ran up — including the casualties. The Shiite cabel. ISIS. It all stems from that major initial failure.
We know we know how to put a country back together after defeating them. We did it with Germany. We did it with Japan, too, which means it isn’t just a matter of shared culture. But in Iraq, we didn’t even make a serious attempt.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
Are you sure, Marty? Bush made the choice to go into Iraq with no planning for what would be done once Saddam was gone. And most of the problems since are a direct result of that choice to go without planning. The enormous expenses we ran up — including the casualties. The Shiite cabel. ISIS. It all stems from that major initial failure.
We know we know how to put a country back together after defeating them. We did it with Germany. We did it with Japan, too, which means it isn’t just a matter of shared culture. But in Iraq, we didn’t even make a serious attempt.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush. They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run. 6 years later ISIS is on them, and Obama.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush. They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run. 6 years later ISIS is on them, and Obama.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush. They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run. 6 years later ISIS is on them, and Obama.
So, instead of then focusing on jobs, or anything constructive
Obama’s been trying to get the GOP congress to pass all kinds of jobs and infrastructure bills, for years and years and years. and he’s talked about this stuff in every speech and townhall he’s done for the past six years. so this is something you could’ve known. it’s not for Obama’s lack of trying that so little has been done to help the economy. it’s the GOP’s premeditated dedication to stifling everything he proposes and then blame him for the lack of progress.
So, instead of then focusing on jobs, or anything constructive
Obama’s been trying to get the GOP congress to pass all kinds of jobs and infrastructure bills, for years and years and years. and he’s talked about this stuff in every speech and townhall he’s done for the past six years. so this is something you could’ve known. it’s not for Obama’s lack of trying that so little has been done to help the economy. it’s the GOP’s premeditated dedication to stifling everything he proposes and then blame him for the lack of progress.
So, instead of then focusing on jobs, or anything constructive
Obama’s been trying to get the GOP congress to pass all kinds of jobs and infrastructure bills, for years and years and years. and he’s talked about this stuff in every speech and townhall he’s done for the past six years. so this is something you could’ve known. it’s not for Obama’s lack of trying that so little has been done to help the economy. it’s the GOP’s premeditated dedication to stifling everything he proposes and then blame him for the lack of progress.
So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”. For good or bad it is accurate.
and what “minorities” are those?
So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”. For good or bad it is accurate.
and what “minorities” are those?
So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”. For good or bad it is accurate.
and what “minorities” are those?
“Or was there some other mess of Bush I that you were referring to?”
While GHWBush did a good job of pushing Saddam out of Kuwait, the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place is on GHWBush.
I doubt that it was deliberate, more like not paying attention.
“Or was there some other mess of Bush I that you were referring to?”
While GHWBush did a good job of pushing Saddam out of Kuwait, the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place is on GHWBush.
I doubt that it was deliberate, more like not paying attention.
“Or was there some other mess of Bush I that you were referring to?”
While GHWBush did a good job of pushing Saddam out of Kuwait, the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place is on GHWBush.
I doubt that it was deliberate, more like not paying attention.
..and add, encouraging the Kurds to rise up against Saddam after Gulf War I, and then turning his back on them was pretty reprehensible.
..and add, encouraging the Kurds to rise up against Saddam after Gulf War I, and then turning his back on them was pretty reprehensible.
..and add, encouraging the Kurds to rise up against Saddam after Gulf War I, and then turning his back on them was pretty reprehensible.
They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run.
As we knew (at least some of us did) from previous experience, when a country has been run by a nasty dictatorship for decades, the people there are NOT “completely capable adults” when it comes to running their country. Nothing like. They simply don’t have any idea, let alone experience, in how funning a country might be done differently.
One of the major stupidities that Bush & Co made in Iraq was simply firing the entire civil service.** When the smart thing to do would have been to say that, other than the secret police, all non-executives should remain in place and doing their jobs. Until they could be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Otherwise, and given that we were not willing to put in a few tens of thousand allied civil servants (with the necessary language skills) to do the jobs, it was entirely predictable that we would get just what we saw.
** The other massive mistake, of course, was treating the military the same way. Anyone with half a brain would have told Saddam’s military: “All troops will return to their home bases, and consolidate all weapons in the armories. For those who do, pay and benefits will continue as before. Those who don’t will be treated as criminals.” Give them some incentive besides taking their weapons and forming guerrilla forces at home.
They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run.
As we knew (at least some of us did) from previous experience, when a country has been run by a nasty dictatorship for decades, the people there are NOT “completely capable adults” when it comes to running their country. Nothing like. They simply don’t have any idea, let alone experience, in how funning a country might be done differently.
One of the major stupidities that Bush & Co made in Iraq was simply firing the entire civil service.** When the smart thing to do would have been to say that, other than the secret police, all non-executives should remain in place and doing their jobs. Until they could be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Otherwise, and given that we were not willing to put in a few tens of thousand allied civil servants (with the necessary language skills) to do the jobs, it was entirely predictable that we would get just what we saw.
** The other massive mistake, of course, was treating the military the same way. Anyone with half a brain would have told Saddam’s military: “All troops will return to their home bases, and consolidate all weapons in the armories. For those who do, pay and benefits will continue as before. Those who don’t will be treated as criminals.” Give them some incentive besides taking their weapons and forming guerrilla forces at home.
They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run.
As we knew (at least some of us did) from previous experience, when a country has been run by a nasty dictatorship for decades, the people there are NOT “completely capable adults” when it comes to running their country. Nothing like. They simply don’t have any idea, let alone experience, in how funning a country might be done differently.
One of the major stupidities that Bush & Co made in Iraq was simply firing the entire civil service.** When the smart thing to do would have been to say that, other than the secret police, all non-executives should remain in place and doing their jobs. Until they could be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Otherwise, and given that we were not willing to put in a few tens of thousand allied civil servants (with the necessary language skills) to do the jobs, it was entirely predictable that we would get just what we saw.
** The other massive mistake, of course, was treating the military the same way. Anyone with half a brain would have told Saddam’s military: “All troops will return to their home bases, and consolidate all weapons in the armories. For those who do, pay and benefits will continue as before. Those who don’t will be treated as criminals.” Give them some incentive besides taking their weapons and forming guerrilla forces at home.
I love the guitar in that one.
Elliot Randall, FTW.
Among folks who pay attention to such things, the guitar solo on Reeling In The Years is generally considered to be something of a national treasure. It’s Jimmy Page’s favorite guitar solo of all time. It’s two minutes of unmitigated brilliance.
He probably made scale for the session.
And Trump is willing to say f you back. His popularity was created by Obama.
Yeah, the Donald is sticking it to the man.
I figure Trump’s popular because assholes like a fellow asshole.
I love the guitar in that one.
Elliot Randall, FTW.
Among folks who pay attention to such things, the guitar solo on Reeling In The Years is generally considered to be something of a national treasure. It’s Jimmy Page’s favorite guitar solo of all time. It’s two minutes of unmitigated brilliance.
He probably made scale for the session.
And Trump is willing to say f you back. His popularity was created by Obama.
Yeah, the Donald is sticking it to the man.
I figure Trump’s popular because assholes like a fellow asshole.
I love the guitar in that one.
Elliot Randall, FTW.
Among folks who pay attention to such things, the guitar solo on Reeling In The Years is generally considered to be something of a national treasure. It’s Jimmy Page’s favorite guitar solo of all time. It’s two minutes of unmitigated brilliance.
He probably made scale for the session.
And Trump is willing to say f you back. His popularity was created by Obama.
Yeah, the Donald is sticking it to the man.
I figure Trump’s popular because assholes like a fellow asshole.
and what “minorities” are those?
Blacks, of course. Also Hispanics. Also women. Also any white liberals. And moderates.
In short, anyone who is not a white, male, reactionary.
and what “minorities” are those?
Blacks, of course. Also Hispanics. Also women. Also any white liberals. And moderates.
In short, anyone who is not a white, male, reactionary.
and what “minorities” are those?
Blacks, of course. Also Hispanics. Also women. Also any white liberals. And moderates.
In short, anyone who is not a white, male, reactionary.
Snarki, you can really blame Bush I for “the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place” if you assume that it is America’s responsibility to deal (preferably preemptively) with every other government that might have nasty intentions towards someone else.
Our police certainly cannot manage it (in spite of our having the highest incarceration rate of any developed country in the world). So how do we figure we can do it for other countries? Not obvious, at least not to me.
Snarki, you can really blame Bush I for “the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place” if you assume that it is America’s responsibility to deal (preferably preemptively) with every other government that might have nasty intentions towards someone else.
Our police certainly cannot manage it (in spite of our having the highest incarceration rate of any developed country in the world). So how do we figure we can do it for other countries? Not obvious, at least not to me.
Snarki, you can really blame Bush I for “the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place” if you assume that it is America’s responsibility to deal (preferably preemptively) with every other government that might have nasty intentions towards someone else.
Our police certainly cannot manage it (in spite of our having the highest incarceration rate of any developed country in the world). So how do we figure we can do it for other countries? Not obvious, at least not to me.
So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”.
Dude, if the “coalition of minorities” includes more people than “the majority”, then they are the majority.
People need to get over the idea that “America” equals “white suburbanites”.
So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”.
Dude, if the “coalition of minorities” includes more people than “the majority”, then they are the majority.
People need to get over the idea that “America” equals “white suburbanites”.
So sure, he got elected by promising to do exactly what the article points out, catering to a set of minorities while ignoring the needs of the “majority”.
Dude, if the “coalition of minorities” includes more people than “the majority”, then they are the majority.
People need to get over the idea that “America” equals “white suburbanites”.
One thing Bush I did was instigating the Shiites to revolt against Saddam then not coming to their aid allowing Saddam to slaughter them wholesale. That squandered a lot of goodwill on their part.
Bush II tried to install a puppet (Ahmed ‘egg thief’ Chalabi) under the control of a sequence of viceroys to open Iraq to foreign raiders..eh..invstors who squandered the last shreds of trust and goodwill. And the following puppets all turned out to be in the pockets of Iran. All of them supported suppression of the Arab Sunnites who, after bribing their leaders came to an end became natural allies of Al Qaeda and then ISIS. It was FUBAR before Obama came into office and stayed that way afterwards. Imo Obama’s choice was to either sink another trillion into the already sunk project or getting the hell out, making the situation neither better nor worse but saving US lives and money. As usual he first burned some more money in the mistaken belief that he either could make it better or at least earn the respect of the GOP. We know that he failed in both (which was totally predictable).
Imo he should have stuffed BushCo into orange jumpsuits and parachuted them ino Fallujah promising them clemency should they reach the border of Iraq alive (since that could only happen with G#d’s help thus proving their innocence).
Bush I did blunder concerning the Shiites but otherwise behaved more wisely than many of his predecessors, Bush II heading the same team slightly shuffled failed in everything except on the one point that he did not expand the war into Iraq’s neighbours.
One thing Bush I did was instigating the Shiites to revolt against Saddam then not coming to their aid allowing Saddam to slaughter them wholesale. That squandered a lot of goodwill on their part.
Bush II tried to install a puppet (Ahmed ‘egg thief’ Chalabi) under the control of a sequence of viceroys to open Iraq to foreign raiders..eh..invstors who squandered the last shreds of trust and goodwill. And the following puppets all turned out to be in the pockets of Iran. All of them supported suppression of the Arab Sunnites who, after bribing their leaders came to an end became natural allies of Al Qaeda and then ISIS. It was FUBAR before Obama came into office and stayed that way afterwards. Imo Obama’s choice was to either sink another trillion into the already sunk project or getting the hell out, making the situation neither better nor worse but saving US lives and money. As usual he first burned some more money in the mistaken belief that he either could make it better or at least earn the respect of the GOP. We know that he failed in both (which was totally predictable).
Imo he should have stuffed BushCo into orange jumpsuits and parachuted them ino Fallujah promising them clemency should they reach the border of Iraq alive (since that could only happen with G#d’s help thus proving their innocence).
Bush I did blunder concerning the Shiites but otherwise behaved more wisely than many of his predecessors, Bush II heading the same team slightly shuffled failed in everything except on the one point that he did not expand the war into Iraq’s neighbours.
One thing Bush I did was instigating the Shiites to revolt against Saddam then not coming to their aid allowing Saddam to slaughter them wholesale. That squandered a lot of goodwill on their part.
Bush II tried to install a puppet (Ahmed ‘egg thief’ Chalabi) under the control of a sequence of viceroys to open Iraq to foreign raiders..eh..invstors who squandered the last shreds of trust and goodwill. And the following puppets all turned out to be in the pockets of Iran. All of them supported suppression of the Arab Sunnites who, after bribing their leaders came to an end became natural allies of Al Qaeda and then ISIS. It was FUBAR before Obama came into office and stayed that way afterwards. Imo Obama’s choice was to either sink another trillion into the already sunk project or getting the hell out, making the situation neither better nor worse but saving US lives and money. As usual he first burned some more money in the mistaken belief that he either could make it better or at least earn the respect of the GOP. We know that he failed in both (which was totally predictable).
Imo he should have stuffed BushCo into orange jumpsuits and parachuted them ino Fallujah promising them clemency should they reach the border of Iraq alive (since that could only happen with G#d’s help thus proving their innocence).
Bush I did blunder concerning the Shiites but otherwise behaved more wisely than many of his predecessors, Bush II heading the same team slightly shuffled failed in everything except on the one point that he did not expand the war into Iraq’s neighbours.
Snarki, you can really blame Bush I for “the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place” if you assume that it is America’s responsibility to deal (preferably preemptively) with every other government that might have nasty intentions towards someone else.
The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait occurred after 8-10 years of US support for Iraq in their conflicts with Iran. The US had a very active diplomatic relationship with Iraq at the time, and in fact was something of a client state militarily.
In general, certainly as of the Carter Doctrine, anything that went on in the Middle East was considered to be of importance.
The “green light” thing is generally a reference to the statements of April Glaspie, ambassador to Iraq at the time. Iraq was massing military forces on its southern border. Glaspie made this statement to Hussein:
Glaspie later stated that nobody at the time thought Hussein would try to seize the entire country of Kuwait.
In any case, Hussein apparently interpreted Glaspie’s comments as, not necessarily a green light, but an indication that the US wouldn’t make much of a fuss. Not an unreasonable reading.
Snarki, you can really blame Bush I for “the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place” if you assume that it is America’s responsibility to deal (preferably preemptively) with every other government that might have nasty intentions towards someone else.
The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait occurred after 8-10 years of US support for Iraq in their conflicts with Iran. The US had a very active diplomatic relationship with Iraq at the time, and in fact was something of a client state militarily.
In general, certainly as of the Carter Doctrine, anything that went on in the Middle East was considered to be of importance.
The “green light” thing is generally a reference to the statements of April Glaspie, ambassador to Iraq at the time. Iraq was massing military forces on its southern border. Glaspie made this statement to Hussein:
Glaspie later stated that nobody at the time thought Hussein would try to seize the entire country of Kuwait.
In any case, Hussein apparently interpreted Glaspie’s comments as, not necessarily a green light, but an indication that the US wouldn’t make much of a fuss. Not an unreasonable reading.
Snarki, you can really blame Bush I for “the fact that Saddam thought that he had the green light to invade Kuwait in the first place” if you assume that it is America’s responsibility to deal (preferably preemptively) with every other government that might have nasty intentions towards someone else.
The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait occurred after 8-10 years of US support for Iraq in their conflicts with Iran. The US had a very active diplomatic relationship with Iraq at the time, and in fact was something of a client state militarily.
In general, certainly as of the Carter Doctrine, anything that went on in the Middle East was considered to be of importance.
The “green light” thing is generally a reference to the statements of April Glaspie, ambassador to Iraq at the time. Iraq was massing military forces on its southern border. Glaspie made this statement to Hussein:
Glaspie later stated that nobody at the time thought Hussein would try to seize the entire country of Kuwait.
In any case, Hussein apparently interpreted Glaspie’s comments as, not necessarily a green light, but an indication that the US wouldn’t make much of a fuss. Not an unreasonable reading.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
No, Bush wanted Chalabi. Had he gotten the corrupt strongman he wanted, things would have turned out much differently, I imagine: we’d have seen Shai-majority (plus some Sunni) insurgency instead of Sunni-majority (plus some Shai).
Look how well things worked out when Bush’s team strongarmed the loya jirga process in Afghanistan: the obscenely-corrupt Karzai who oversaw 10 years of escalating civil war, with absolutely no end in sight and the national government a weak, looted shambles of nepotism, corruption, and human rights violations.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush. They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run. 6 years later ISIS is on them, and Obama.
So under Bush, the nation is invaded, its infrastructure destroyed, its government buildings (and military stockpiles) looted while US forces in some cases literally sat and watched, its police and military disbanded and purged along ideological lines, and a semi-sovereign “transitional” government grudgingly installed, which had minimal control over the foreign army conducting operations in its cities as it saw fit, but who didn’t lift a finger to stop gov’t-affiliated Shai militias from conducting ethnic cleansing against the Sunni minority – the same minority from which Daeash sprang? Bush’s non-nationbuilding occupation strategy, full of corruption, cronyism, free-market fantasies, and unaccountability plundered Iraq on the pretense of rebuilding it even as US forces pursued confused, incoherent strategies and were exploited by factions to push internal Iraqi agendas.
Iraqi wasn’t “freed”. Its repressive, non-representative government was destroyed along with much of its infrastructure, which had already been crippled by a decade of ruthless sanctions following the widespread infrastructure destruction overseen by Bush pere. Bush fils’ interim occupation government did its level best to lock in its preferred policies and systems before grudgingly handing off (most of) sovereignty to their bitterly divisive successors, who proceeded to enact sectarian policies that acted against the interest of a very large minority of the population. Millions were displaced as refugees both internally and externally – this represented a fair portion of the “best and brightest” in the country. Hundreds of thousands died who would not have without the invasion, both due to violence and the ruin wreaked on the infrastructure and institutions.
It’s frankly ridiculous to wash Bush’s hands of the current mess in Iraqi. He selected the plot, he plowed the soil, he planted the seeds, he spent most of a decade watering and fertilizing them, and then he breezily walked off into the sunset before the harvest came due. There are many people who bear varying amounts of responsibility for the current state of Iraqi, and indeed, Obama has a place on that list, but the sitting US President falls well below dozens of individuals from his predecessor’s administration, to say nothing of his predecessor himself.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
No, Bush wanted Chalabi. Had he gotten the corrupt strongman he wanted, things would have turned out much differently, I imagine: we’d have seen Shai-majority (plus some Sunni) insurgency instead of Sunni-majority (plus some Shai).
Look how well things worked out when Bush’s team strongarmed the loya jirga process in Afghanistan: the obscenely-corrupt Karzai who oversaw 10 years of escalating civil war, with absolutely no end in sight and the national government a weak, looted shambles of nepotism, corruption, and human rights violations.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush. They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run. 6 years later ISIS is on them, and Obama.
So under Bush, the nation is invaded, its infrastructure destroyed, its government buildings (and military stockpiles) looted while US forces in some cases literally sat and watched, its police and military disbanded and purged along ideological lines, and a semi-sovereign “transitional” government grudgingly installed, which had minimal control over the foreign army conducting operations in its cities as it saw fit, but who didn’t lift a finger to stop gov’t-affiliated Shai militias from conducting ethnic cleansing against the Sunni minority – the same minority from which Daeash sprang? Bush’s non-nationbuilding occupation strategy, full of corruption, cronyism, free-market fantasies, and unaccountability plundered Iraq on the pretense of rebuilding it even as US forces pursued confused, incoherent strategies and were exploited by factions to push internal Iraqi agendas.
Iraqi wasn’t “freed”. Its repressive, non-representative government was destroyed along with much of its infrastructure, which had already been crippled by a decade of ruthless sanctions following the widespread infrastructure destruction overseen by Bush pere. Bush fils’ interim occupation government did its level best to lock in its preferred policies and systems before grudgingly handing off (most of) sovereignty to their bitterly divisive successors, who proceeded to enact sectarian policies that acted against the interest of a very large minority of the population. Millions were displaced as refugees both internally and externally – this represented a fair portion of the “best and brightest” in the country. Hundreds of thousands died who would not have without the invasion, both due to violence and the ruin wreaked on the infrastructure and institutions.
It’s frankly ridiculous to wash Bush’s hands of the current mess in Iraqi. He selected the plot, he plowed the soil, he planted the seeds, he spent most of a decade watering and fertilizing them, and then he breezily walked off into the sunset before the harvest came due. There are many people who bear varying amounts of responsibility for the current state of Iraqi, and indeed, Obama has a place on that list, but the sitting US President falls well below dozens of individuals from his predecessor’s administration, to say nothing of his predecessor himself.
Except Bush installed no one. In fact he was pretty much told to take his choices a go to hell. In the best of all worlds the Iraqis would have chosen better leadership. But the Shiite cabal was not a Bush choice.
No, Bush wanted Chalabi. Had he gotten the corrupt strongman he wanted, things would have turned out much differently, I imagine: we’d have seen Shai-majority (plus some Sunni) insurgency instead of Sunni-majority (plus some Shai).
Look how well things worked out when Bush’s team strongarmed the loya jirga process in Afghanistan: the obscenely-corrupt Karzai who oversaw 10 years of escalating civil war, with absolutely no end in sight and the national government a weak, looted shambles of nepotism, corruption, and human rights violations.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush. They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run. 6 years later ISIS is on them, and Obama.
So under Bush, the nation is invaded, its infrastructure destroyed, its government buildings (and military stockpiles) looted while US forces in some cases literally sat and watched, its police and military disbanded and purged along ideological lines, and a semi-sovereign “transitional” government grudgingly installed, which had minimal control over the foreign army conducting operations in its cities as it saw fit, but who didn’t lift a finger to stop gov’t-affiliated Shai militias from conducting ethnic cleansing against the Sunni minority – the same minority from which Daeash sprang? Bush’s non-nationbuilding occupation strategy, full of corruption, cronyism, free-market fantasies, and unaccountability plundered Iraq on the pretense of rebuilding it even as US forces pursued confused, incoherent strategies and were exploited by factions to push internal Iraqi agendas.
Iraqi wasn’t “freed”. Its repressive, non-representative government was destroyed along with much of its infrastructure, which had already been crippled by a decade of ruthless sanctions following the widespread infrastructure destruction overseen by Bush pere. Bush fils’ interim occupation government did its level best to lock in its preferred policies and systems before grudgingly handing off (most of) sovereignty to their bitterly divisive successors, who proceeded to enact sectarian policies that acted against the interest of a very large minority of the population. Millions were displaced as refugees both internally and externally – this represented a fair portion of the “best and brightest” in the country. Hundreds of thousands died who would not have without the invasion, both due to violence and the ruin wreaked on the infrastructure and institutions.
It’s frankly ridiculous to wash Bush’s hands of the current mess in Iraqi. He selected the plot, he plowed the soil, he planted the seeds, he spent most of a decade watering and fertilizing them, and then he breezily walked off into the sunset before the harvest came due. There are many people who bear varying amounts of responsibility for the current state of Iraqi, and indeed, Obama has a place on that list, but the sitting US President falls well below dozens of individuals from his predecessor’s administration, to say nothing of his predecessor himself.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush.
You break it, you own it, as some folks have been known to say.
Some people, however, are careless people.
They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run.
Iraq is not naturally a nation. It was created by other people, for the convenience of other people. It’s been ruled by one repressive authoritarian government or another since it’s creation in the 1920’s.
When they were freed, they were freed among other things to no longer be Iraq, and they appear to have embraced that.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush.
You break it, you own it, as some folks have been known to say.
Some people, however, are careless people.
They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run.
Iraq is not naturally a nation. It was created by other people, for the convenience of other people. It’s been ruled by one repressive authoritarian government or another since it’s creation in the 1920’s.
When they were freed, they were freed among other things to no longer be Iraq, and they appear to have embraced that.
No wj, I simply refuse to put all of the post war Iraqi mistakes on Bush.
You break it, you own it, as some folks have been known to say.
Some people, however, are careless people.
They are and were a country dominated by a dictator. They were freed. They are completely capable adults that can decide how their country should be run.
Iraq is not naturally a nation. It was created by other people, for the convenience of other people. It’s been ruled by one repressive authoritarian government or another since it’s creation in the 1920’s.
When they were freed, they were freed among other things to no longer be Iraq, and they appear to have embraced that.
Among folks who pay attention to such things, the guitar solo on Reeling In The Years is generally considered to be something of a national treasure.
indeed. Fagan and Becker had a knack for getting awesome guitar work out of people (when Becker wasn’t feeling it himself). i just love the solos in Peg and Don’t Take Me Alive, for example. Kid Charlemange (also Larry Carlton, like D.T.M.A.).
Among folks who pay attention to such things, the guitar solo on Reeling In The Years is generally considered to be something of a national treasure.
indeed. Fagan and Becker had a knack for getting awesome guitar work out of people (when Becker wasn’t feeling it himself). i just love the solos in Peg and Don’t Take Me Alive, for example. Kid Charlemange (also Larry Carlton, like D.T.M.A.).
Among folks who pay attention to such things, the guitar solo on Reeling In The Years is generally considered to be something of a national treasure.
indeed. Fagan and Becker had a knack for getting awesome guitar work out of people (when Becker wasn’t feeling it himself). i just love the solos in Peg and Don’t Take Me Alive, for example. Kid Charlemange (also Larry Carlton, like D.T.M.A.).
Now that Marty is defending Bush on Iraq, of all things, we are officially in La La Land. We have now assumed A and not A to be equally true, from which logically follows any and all conclusions.
Help me, Pee Wee Herman. You’re my only hope.
Now that Marty is defending Bush on Iraq, of all things, we are officially in La La Land. We have now assumed A and not A to be equally true, from which logically follows any and all conclusions.
Help me, Pee Wee Herman. You’re my only hope.
Now that Marty is defending Bush on Iraq, of all things, we are officially in La La Land. We have now assumed A and not A to be equally true, from which logically follows any and all conclusions.
Help me, Pee Wee Herman. You’re my only hope.
Marty, why was it such a big surprise to anyone that when the Shiite cabal ousted the former Sunni cabal (deadly, but oddly more neutral regarding religious scruples) that Sunnis would be ousted from the government and the military and then regroup to continue and heighten the Sunni/Shiite blood feud under the guise of the savage ISIS.
Saddam was a murderous despot, but the excuses for invading were not only bogus, they ignored real politic of asserting American military power only in the the service of the national interest.
The Afghanistan invasion, on the other hand, was necessary. But a lengthy occupation was a mistake.
And we believed a flat tax and McDonald’s franchises we’re going to assuage a blood feud that has gone on for centuries.
The imaginings of children.
Worse, in a way, George W. Inserted his family into the blood feud by using Saddam’s threats against his father as a reason for engaging the blood and treasure of the Nation in the invasion.
At best, it was unprofessional. The Mafia might conduct foreign policy that way, but reasonable adults don’t.
wj and company, I’ll retract my condemnation of Bush Sr., but I will say that he declined to take his callow son aside and advise him that the latter was not Presidential material., and that was a catastrophic failure on his part.
It also encouraged the 17 callow candidates running for President now to believe they might be professional material.
Yes, Bush senior showed restraint in pulling the plug on moving American troops from Kuwait.
And, he was a statesmen regarding his compromise on taxes. And look where it got him, and U.S. An entire political party purging itself of professionals and opting for teenaged ideologues for whom compromise is seen as poison and betrayal.
Sarah Death Palin as Vice President? Governance, my ass.
So we end up with consigliere Dick Cheney running the show into the dumpster.
Bush wanted to shake up the Mideast
Marty, why was it such a big surprise to anyone that when the Shiite cabal ousted the former Sunni cabal (deadly, but oddly more neutral regarding religious scruples) that Sunnis would be ousted from the government and the military and then regroup to continue and heighten the Sunni/Shiite blood feud under the guise of the savage ISIS.
Saddam was a murderous despot, but the excuses for invading were not only bogus, they ignored real politic of asserting American military power only in the the service of the national interest.
The Afghanistan invasion, on the other hand, was necessary. But a lengthy occupation was a mistake.
And we believed a flat tax and McDonald’s franchises we’re going to assuage a blood feud that has gone on for centuries.
The imaginings of children.
Worse, in a way, George W. Inserted his family into the blood feud by using Saddam’s threats against his father as a reason for engaging the blood and treasure of the Nation in the invasion.
At best, it was unprofessional. The Mafia might conduct foreign policy that way, but reasonable adults don’t.
wj and company, I’ll retract my condemnation of Bush Sr., but I will say that he declined to take his callow son aside and advise him that the latter was not Presidential material., and that was a catastrophic failure on his part.
It also encouraged the 17 callow candidates running for President now to believe they might be professional material.
Yes, Bush senior showed restraint in pulling the plug on moving American troops from Kuwait.
And, he was a statesmen regarding his compromise on taxes. And look where it got him, and U.S. An entire political party purging itself of professionals and opting for teenaged ideologues for whom compromise is seen as poison and betrayal.
Sarah Death Palin as Vice President? Governance, my ass.
So we end up with consigliere Dick Cheney running the show into the dumpster.
Bush wanted to shake up the Mideast
Marty, why was it such a big surprise to anyone that when the Shiite cabal ousted the former Sunni cabal (deadly, but oddly more neutral regarding religious scruples) that Sunnis would be ousted from the government and the military and then regroup to continue and heighten the Sunni/Shiite blood feud under the guise of the savage ISIS.
Saddam was a murderous despot, but the excuses for invading were not only bogus, they ignored real politic of asserting American military power only in the the service of the national interest.
The Afghanistan invasion, on the other hand, was necessary. But a lengthy occupation was a mistake.
And we believed a flat tax and McDonald’s franchises we’re going to assuage a blood feud that has gone on for centuries.
The imaginings of children.
Worse, in a way, George W. Inserted his family into the blood feud by using Saddam’s threats against his father as a reason for engaging the blood and treasure of the Nation in the invasion.
At best, it was unprofessional. The Mafia might conduct foreign policy that way, but reasonable adults don’t.
wj and company, I’ll retract my condemnation of Bush Sr., but I will say that he declined to take his callow son aside and advise him that the latter was not Presidential material., and that was a catastrophic failure on his part.
It also encouraged the 17 callow candidates running for President now to believe they might be professional material.
Yes, Bush senior showed restraint in pulling the plug on moving American troops from Kuwait.
And, he was a statesmen regarding his compromise on taxes. And look where it got him, and U.S. An entire political party purging itself of professionals and opting for teenaged ideologues for whom compromise is seen as poison and betrayal.
Sarah Death Palin as Vice President? Governance, my ass.
So we end up with consigliere Dick Cheney running the show into the dumpster.
Bush wanted to shake up the Mideast
I started a thought there at the end, but my iPad sabotaged me.
I started a thought there at the end, but my iPad sabotaged me.
I started a thought there at the end, but my iPad sabotaged me.
I love Jeff skunk Baxter’s cockamamie guitar solo on “My Old School”
He was, and might still be, a brilliant defense contractor.
I love Jeff skunk Baxter’s cockamamie guitar solo on “My Old School”
He was, and might still be, a brilliant defense contractor.
I love Jeff skunk Baxter’s cockamamie guitar solo on “My Old School”
He was, and might still be, a brilliant defense contractor.
Rumsfeld, on 9/11.
I’d be happy to never talk about the invasion of Iraq again, as long as I live. It craps on my day, every time the subject comes up.
It was a colossal clusterf**k, some kind of disfigured bastard child of hubris and nemesis, American style.
It boggles my mind that people are still trying to justify it, or justify Bush’s actions or those of his close advisors.
It was a f***king stupid, arrogant, reckless, heedless, irresponsible undertaking, both in conception and execution.
The nation was lied into a stupid, useless war, by a bunch of war-mongering jerks, who exploited the nation’s fear and anger following 9/11.
They wanted to re-make the geopolitical structure of the entire freaking world, 9/11 was their ticket to ride, and they were going to be damned if they weren’t going to have their stupid idiotic war.
Violent, arrogant, magical-thinking idiots, every one of them.
That is what the Iraq invasion was.
I’m happy to give it a freaking rest if folks are willing to quit trying to justify it.
Let’s all move on, OK?
Rumsfeld, on 9/11.
I’d be happy to never talk about the invasion of Iraq again, as long as I live. It craps on my day, every time the subject comes up.
It was a colossal clusterf**k, some kind of disfigured bastard child of hubris and nemesis, American style.
It boggles my mind that people are still trying to justify it, or justify Bush’s actions or those of his close advisors.
It was a f***king stupid, arrogant, reckless, heedless, irresponsible undertaking, both in conception and execution.
The nation was lied into a stupid, useless war, by a bunch of war-mongering jerks, who exploited the nation’s fear and anger following 9/11.
They wanted to re-make the geopolitical structure of the entire freaking world, 9/11 was their ticket to ride, and they were going to be damned if they weren’t going to have their stupid idiotic war.
Violent, arrogant, magical-thinking idiots, every one of them.
That is what the Iraq invasion was.
I’m happy to give it a freaking rest if folks are willing to quit trying to justify it.
Let’s all move on, OK?
Rumsfeld, on 9/11.
I’d be happy to never talk about the invasion of Iraq again, as long as I live. It craps on my day, every time the subject comes up.
It was a colossal clusterf**k, some kind of disfigured bastard child of hubris and nemesis, American style.
It boggles my mind that people are still trying to justify it, or justify Bush’s actions or those of his close advisors.
It was a f***king stupid, arrogant, reckless, heedless, irresponsible undertaking, both in conception and execution.
The nation was lied into a stupid, useless war, by a bunch of war-mongering jerks, who exploited the nation’s fear and anger following 9/11.
They wanted to re-make the geopolitical structure of the entire freaking world, 9/11 was their ticket to ride, and they were going to be damned if they weren’t going to have their stupid idiotic war.
Violent, arrogant, magical-thinking idiots, every one of them.
That is what the Iraq invasion was.
I’m happy to give it a freaking rest if folks are willing to quit trying to justify it.
Let’s all move on, OK?
He was, and might still be, a brilliant defense contractor
Chairman of a Congressional advisory board on missile defense, I think.
Also, briefly in a band with Jimi Hendrix and Randy California, which makes my head explode just to think about it.
He was, and might still be, a brilliant defense contractor
Chairman of a Congressional advisory board on missile defense, I think.
Also, briefly in a band with Jimi Hendrix and Randy California, which makes my head explode just to think about it.
He was, and might still be, a brilliant defense contractor
Chairman of a Congressional advisory board on missile defense, I think.
Also, briefly in a band with Jimi Hendrix and Randy California, which makes my head explode just to think about it.
Bush the Lesser publicly refused to listen to anything his ‘earthly’ father had to say on the Iraq policy in favor of a ‘higher’ father.
I assume he was not referring to Prescott.
Bush the Lesser publicly refused to listen to anything his ‘earthly’ father had to say on the Iraq policy in favor of a ‘higher’ father.
I assume he was not referring to Prescott.
Bush the Lesser publicly refused to listen to anything his ‘earthly’ father had to say on the Iraq policy in favor of a ‘higher’ father.
I assume he was not referring to Prescott.
I have not, in this thread, defended Bushes decision to invade Iraq. It simply isn’t forever his fault they can’t stop killing each other. Obama has had more impact on the events around ISIS than Bush. Plowed and fertilized ground grows what is planted.
I have not, in this thread, defended Bushes decision to invade Iraq. It simply isn’t forever his fault they can’t stop killing each other. Obama has had more impact on the events around ISIS than Bush. Plowed and fertilized ground grows what is planted.
I have not, in this thread, defended Bushes decision to invade Iraq. It simply isn’t forever his fault they can’t stop killing each other. Obama has had more impact on the events around ISIS than Bush. Plowed and fertilized ground grows what is planted.
Obama has had more impact on the events around ISIS than Bush.
As far as I can see, ISIS didn’t need much help from anybody, let alone a US POTUS.
The ideology was there, firearms are not very hard to come by, especially in that neck of the woods. They appear to have some amount of local support in the areas in which they operate.
What they mostly needed was an environment in which there was no other effective prevailing authority, which appears to have been provided mostly by the Syrian civil war.
I’m sure there are second or third order causes that can be blamed on either GWBush or Obama, but the basic motivation and structure of ISIS appears to be homegrown.
At least to my eye.
Obama has had more impact on the events around ISIS than Bush.
As far as I can see, ISIS didn’t need much help from anybody, let alone a US POTUS.
The ideology was there, firearms are not very hard to come by, especially in that neck of the woods. They appear to have some amount of local support in the areas in which they operate.
What they mostly needed was an environment in which there was no other effective prevailing authority, which appears to have been provided mostly by the Syrian civil war.
I’m sure there are second or third order causes that can be blamed on either GWBush or Obama, but the basic motivation and structure of ISIS appears to be homegrown.
At least to my eye.
Obama has had more impact on the events around ISIS than Bush.
As far as I can see, ISIS didn’t need much help from anybody, let alone a US POTUS.
The ideology was there, firearms are not very hard to come by, especially in that neck of the woods. They appear to have some amount of local support in the areas in which they operate.
What they mostly needed was an environment in which there was no other effective prevailing authority, which appears to have been provided mostly by the Syrian civil war.
I’m sure there are second or third order causes that can be blamed on either GWBush or Obama, but the basic motivation and structure of ISIS appears to be homegrown.
At least to my eye.
It simply isn’t forever his fault they can’t stop killing each other.
Q: were “they” killing “each other” on March 19, 2003?
It simply isn’t forever his fault they can’t stop killing each other.
Q: were “they” killing “each other” on March 19, 2003?
It simply isn’t forever his fault they can’t stop killing each other.
Q: were “they” killing “each other” on March 19, 2003?
OK, Marty, let’s assume that Obama had, right off the bat, withdrawn all US forces from Iraq. This would, indeed, have saved thousands of American lives and billions of dollars. No real question there.
But what would the effects have been otherwise?
Pretty certainly, things in Iraq would have gone down hill — as noted, it’s an artifical country whose residents are accustomed to killing each other whenever their central government does not repress their ability to do so. It might or might not have been worse than what’s actually happened, but it wouldn’t be good. And it’s wildly unlikely that anyone could prove, from that point, that things would have been just as bad if we stayed.
And what would the political impact in America? Any difference in Republican willingness to work with Obama — on anything? No way; if anything, they would have screamed even louder about hating America, naivety, etc. (Just as they have since we did finally pull out. Only sooner. And probably louder.)
Face it, the man was in a no-win situation. You can argue that he should have picked another course, but you can’t argue that it would have been obviously better. Not obvious at the time. Not obvious in retrospect, if he had.
And who created that situation? Bush II. So yes, he can and should be blamed for quite a long time. Indeed, it is not unreasonable to argue that he is at least partially responsible for creating the situation that led to ISIS. Not entirely, but in some definite part.
OK, Marty, let’s assume that Obama had, right off the bat, withdrawn all US forces from Iraq. This would, indeed, have saved thousands of American lives and billions of dollars. No real question there.
But what would the effects have been otherwise?
Pretty certainly, things in Iraq would have gone down hill — as noted, it’s an artifical country whose residents are accustomed to killing each other whenever their central government does not repress their ability to do so. It might or might not have been worse than what’s actually happened, but it wouldn’t be good. And it’s wildly unlikely that anyone could prove, from that point, that things would have been just as bad if we stayed.
And what would the political impact in America? Any difference in Republican willingness to work with Obama — on anything? No way; if anything, they would have screamed even louder about hating America, naivety, etc. (Just as they have since we did finally pull out. Only sooner. And probably louder.)
Face it, the man was in a no-win situation. You can argue that he should have picked another course, but you can’t argue that it would have been obviously better. Not obvious at the time. Not obvious in retrospect, if he had.
And who created that situation? Bush II. So yes, he can and should be blamed for quite a long time. Indeed, it is not unreasonable to argue that he is at least partially responsible for creating the situation that led to ISIS. Not entirely, but in some definite part.
OK, Marty, let’s assume that Obama had, right off the bat, withdrawn all US forces from Iraq. This would, indeed, have saved thousands of American lives and billions of dollars. No real question there.
But what would the effects have been otherwise?
Pretty certainly, things in Iraq would have gone down hill — as noted, it’s an artifical country whose residents are accustomed to killing each other whenever their central government does not repress their ability to do so. It might or might not have been worse than what’s actually happened, but it wouldn’t be good. And it’s wildly unlikely that anyone could prove, from that point, that things would have been just as bad if we stayed.
And what would the political impact in America? Any difference in Republican willingness to work with Obama — on anything? No way; if anything, they would have screamed even louder about hating America, naivety, etc. (Just as they have since we did finally pull out. Only sooner. And probably louder.)
Face it, the man was in a no-win situation. You can argue that he should have picked another course, but you can’t argue that it would have been obviously better. Not obvious at the time. Not obvious in retrospect, if he had.
And who created that situation? Bush II. So yes, he can and should be blamed for quite a long time. Indeed, it is not unreasonable to argue that he is at least partially responsible for creating the situation that led to ISIS. Not entirely, but in some definite part.
“the organization for jihad in Mesopotamia”, roughly, was founded in 1999 by al-Malaki (a Jordanian). he moved into Iraq in 2004, after the invasion to attack Shia and US targets. they decided to form their caliphate in 2006. they became ISIL/S in 2013 when they moved into Syria.
but ISIS literally doesn’t exist without Bush’s invasion because it would never have been able to operate, let alone grow, in Saddam’s Iraq. and it couldn’t have gone into Syria without first gaining strength in Iraq.
Bush barged into Iraq with apparently no idea of what he was getting into, what the local politics were, or what the likely results would be. the whole crew was delusional, top to bottom, about every aspect of it.
Obama’s legacy will be that he was left a pile of Bush’s disasters and was unable to clean them all up.
“the organization for jihad in Mesopotamia”, roughly, was founded in 1999 by al-Malaki (a Jordanian). he moved into Iraq in 2004, after the invasion to attack Shia and US targets. they decided to form their caliphate in 2006. they became ISIL/S in 2013 when they moved into Syria.
but ISIS literally doesn’t exist without Bush’s invasion because it would never have been able to operate, let alone grow, in Saddam’s Iraq. and it couldn’t have gone into Syria without first gaining strength in Iraq.
Bush barged into Iraq with apparently no idea of what he was getting into, what the local politics were, or what the likely results would be. the whole crew was delusional, top to bottom, about every aspect of it.
Obama’s legacy will be that he was left a pile of Bush’s disasters and was unable to clean them all up.
“the organization for jihad in Mesopotamia”, roughly, was founded in 1999 by al-Malaki (a Jordanian). he moved into Iraq in 2004, after the invasion to attack Shia and US targets. they decided to form their caliphate in 2006. they became ISIL/S in 2013 when they moved into Syria.
but ISIS literally doesn’t exist without Bush’s invasion because it would never have been able to operate, let alone grow, in Saddam’s Iraq. and it couldn’t have gone into Syria without first gaining strength in Iraq.
Bush barged into Iraq with apparently no idea of what he was getting into, what the local politics were, or what the likely results would be. the whole crew was delusional, top to bottom, about every aspect of it.
Obama’s legacy will be that he was left a pile of Bush’s disasters and was unable to clean them all up.
I think some one once said that Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch, ISIS clearly happened on Obama’s watch.
I think some one once said that Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch, ISIS clearly happened on Obama’s watch.
I think some one once said that Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch, ISIS clearly happened on Obama’s watch.
I think some one once said that Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch
As cleek notes, ISIS “happened” over a time span that precedes Obama’s watch.
I think some one once said that Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch
As cleek notes, ISIS “happened” over a time span that precedes Obama’s watch.
I think some one once said that Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch
As cleek notes, ISIS “happened” over a time span that precedes Obama’s watch.
Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch
Actually, Presidents are blamed (or credited) for what happens while they are in office. But, since lots of actions take time to bear fruit, they are actually responsible for things that happen after they left office as well.
To take just the obvious example, changes to economic policy don’t actually show up in economic performance for months (or, more often, years) after they are implemented. What the economy does during a President’s first year in office is almost entirely the responsibility of his predecessor. The third year is about the soonest you can put economic performance to his account. (That means, for example, that the dot com bubble, and its burst, is Clinton’s responsibility. Even though the burst happened during Bush’s term as President.)
Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch
Actually, Presidents are blamed (or credited) for what happens while they are in office. But, since lots of actions take time to bear fruit, they are actually responsible for things that happen after they left office as well.
To take just the obvious example, changes to economic policy don’t actually show up in economic performance for months (or, more often, years) after they are implemented. What the economy does during a President’s first year in office is almost entirely the responsibility of his predecessor. The third year is about the soonest you can put economic performance to his account. (That means, for example, that the dot com bubble, and its burst, is Clinton’s responsibility. Even though the burst happened during Bush’s term as President.)
Presidents are responsible for what happens on their watch
Actually, Presidents are blamed (or credited) for what happens while they are in office. But, since lots of actions take time to bear fruit, they are actually responsible for things that happen after they left office as well.
To take just the obvious example, changes to economic policy don’t actually show up in economic performance for months (or, more often, years) after they are implemented. What the economy does during a President’s first year in office is almost entirely the responsibility of his predecessor. The third year is about the soonest you can put economic performance to his account. (That means, for example, that the dot com bubble, and its burst, is Clinton’s responsibility. Even though the burst happened during Bush’s term as President.)
Bush screwed the pooch, but the baby was delivered on Obama’s watch.
it’s still Bush’s baby.
Bush screwed the pooch, but the baby was delivered on Obama’s watch.
it’s still Bush’s baby.
Bush screwed the pooch, but the baby was delivered on Obama’s watch.
it’s still Bush’s baby.
“As cleek notes, ISIS “happened” over a time span that precedes Obama’s watch”
This is actually it happened 40 years before that because Maliki first had a thought back then. Or, that’s BS. The rise of ISIS was on Obamas watch and there were a million factors over the course of the history of the Middle East that led to that moment. That moment still belongs to Obama.
“As cleek notes, ISIS “happened” over a time span that precedes Obama’s watch”
This is actually it happened 40 years before that because Maliki first had a thought back then. Or, that’s BS. The rise of ISIS was on Obamas watch and there were a million factors over the course of the history of the Middle East that led to that moment. That moment still belongs to Obama.
“As cleek notes, ISIS “happened” over a time span that precedes Obama’s watch”
This is actually it happened 40 years before that because Maliki first had a thought back then. Or, that’s BS. The rise of ISIS was on Obamas watch and there were a million factors over the course of the history of the Middle East that led to that moment. That moment still belongs to Obama.
in his repeated calls for blaming isis on obama, marty is like a homeowner who hired a house painter who decided to paint the place with an ice pick and then hires someone else to put a new coat on and it’s the new painter’s fault that he’s got all of these holes in the plaster.
no wonder conservatives seem to be so angry, people keep telling them truth but the truth makes them look so bad they rebel against it.
in his repeated calls for blaming isis on obama, marty is like a homeowner who hired a house painter who decided to paint the place with an ice pick and then hires someone else to put a new coat on and it’s the new painter’s fault that he’s got all of these holes in the plaster.
no wonder conservatives seem to be so angry, people keep telling them truth but the truth makes them look so bad they rebel against it.
in his repeated calls for blaming isis on obama, marty is like a homeowner who hired a house painter who decided to paint the place with an ice pick and then hires someone else to put a new coat on and it’s the new painter’s fault that he’s got all of these holes in the plaster.
no wonder conservatives seem to be so angry, people keep telling them truth but the truth makes them look so bad they rebel against it.
It is the new painters fault if he didn’t spackle them.
It is the new painters fault if he didn’t spackle them.
It is the new painters fault if he didn’t spackle them.
When someone commits a serious crime, like robbing a bank, they are criminally responsible for the consequences that follow from the criminal act, such as police bullets hitting bystanders.
Dubya committed the crime, he’s responsible for the consequences, including ISIS. You can certainly claim that one particular thing called “ISIS”, with these particular people, and this particular geographic location, could be predicted. BUT, violent insurgencies were absolutely obvious from day one.
It’s on Dubya.
When someone commits a serious crime, like robbing a bank, they are criminally responsible for the consequences that follow from the criminal act, such as police bullets hitting bystanders.
Dubya committed the crime, he’s responsible for the consequences, including ISIS. You can certainly claim that one particular thing called “ISIS”, with these particular people, and this particular geographic location, could be predicted. BUT, violent insurgencies were absolutely obvious from day one.
It’s on Dubya.
When someone commits a serious crime, like robbing a bank, they are criminally responsible for the consequences that follow from the criminal act, such as police bullets hitting bystanders.
Dubya committed the crime, he’s responsible for the consequences, including ISIS. You can certainly claim that one particular thing called “ISIS”, with these particular people, and this particular geographic location, could be predicted. BUT, violent insurgencies were absolutely obvious from day one.
It’s on Dubya.
“…could NOT have been predicted…”
No one could predict typos.
“…could NOT have been predicted…”
No one could predict typos.
“…could NOT have been predicted…”
No one could predict typos.
Marty is the new Brett.
As for presidents being held responsible for what happens on their watch: 9/11
–TP
Marty is the new Brett.
As for presidents being held responsible for what happens on their watch: 9/11
–TP
Marty is the new Brett.
As for presidents being held responsible for what happens on their watch: 9/11
–TP
That moment still belongs to Obama.
If it floats your boat to see things that way, far be it from me to try to dissuade you.
In addition to the timeline per se, there is also the issue of the basic agency of the 7 billion or so people on the planet who are not the POTUS.
Some things, and some people, have their own agendas, which are not always available to Presidential influence.
Following your logic to its inevitable conclusion, 9/11 is completely the responsibility of GWBush, even though it was actually the second jihadi bite at the WTC apple, Bush had been POTUS for less than a year, and Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have never seemed to give much of a crap who was President.
I understand that the “who is responsible for ISIS?” thing is one of this year’s most popular party games, but it doesn’t mean we all have to play.
Qutb, Salafism, political Islam, the dream of a restored caliphate, all of it is decades old.
There are, frankly, more militant jihadist groups active around the world than I can even count. ISIS does the whole fear theater thing better than most, but other than that I’m not sure what makes them special.
Should we divvy all of those groups up and pin them on one President or another? Based on what? When they started? Who was President when they pulled off their most famous action?
I’m not sure I see the point of trying to figure out which POTUS is responsible for ISIS, any more than I see the point of trying to figure out which POTUS is responsible for neo-Nazism, or Putin’s ambitions in Eastern Europe, or any other thing that any given President might have to respond to, but which happens for its own reasons.
But if it makes sense to you, I doubt I’m going to make any kind of dent.
That moment still belongs to Obama.
If it floats your boat to see things that way, far be it from me to try to dissuade you.
In addition to the timeline per se, there is also the issue of the basic agency of the 7 billion or so people on the planet who are not the POTUS.
Some things, and some people, have their own agendas, which are not always available to Presidential influence.
Following your logic to its inevitable conclusion, 9/11 is completely the responsibility of GWBush, even though it was actually the second jihadi bite at the WTC apple, Bush had been POTUS for less than a year, and Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have never seemed to give much of a crap who was President.
I understand that the “who is responsible for ISIS?” thing is one of this year’s most popular party games, but it doesn’t mean we all have to play.
Qutb, Salafism, political Islam, the dream of a restored caliphate, all of it is decades old.
There are, frankly, more militant jihadist groups active around the world than I can even count. ISIS does the whole fear theater thing better than most, but other than that I’m not sure what makes them special.
Should we divvy all of those groups up and pin them on one President or another? Based on what? When they started? Who was President when they pulled off their most famous action?
I’m not sure I see the point of trying to figure out which POTUS is responsible for ISIS, any more than I see the point of trying to figure out which POTUS is responsible for neo-Nazism, or Putin’s ambitions in Eastern Europe, or any other thing that any given President might have to respond to, but which happens for its own reasons.
But if it makes sense to you, I doubt I’m going to make any kind of dent.
That moment still belongs to Obama.
If it floats your boat to see things that way, far be it from me to try to dissuade you.
In addition to the timeline per se, there is also the issue of the basic agency of the 7 billion or so people on the planet who are not the POTUS.
Some things, and some people, have their own agendas, which are not always available to Presidential influence.
Following your logic to its inevitable conclusion, 9/11 is completely the responsibility of GWBush, even though it was actually the second jihadi bite at the WTC apple, Bush had been POTUS for less than a year, and Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have never seemed to give much of a crap who was President.
I understand that the “who is responsible for ISIS?” thing is one of this year’s most popular party games, but it doesn’t mean we all have to play.
Qutb, Salafism, political Islam, the dream of a restored caliphate, all of it is decades old.
There are, frankly, more militant jihadist groups active around the world than I can even count. ISIS does the whole fear theater thing better than most, but other than that I’m not sure what makes them special.
Should we divvy all of those groups up and pin them on one President or another? Based on what? When they started? Who was President when they pulled off their most famous action?
I’m not sure I see the point of trying to figure out which POTUS is responsible for ISIS, any more than I see the point of trying to figure out which POTUS is responsible for neo-Nazism, or Putin’s ambitions in Eastern Europe, or any other thing that any given President might have to respond to, but which happens for its own reasons.
But if it makes sense to you, I doubt I’m going to make any kind of dent.
It’s on Dubya.
FWIW, I’m not really seeing that, either.
There are too many factors involved in the emergence of ISIS to pin the responsibility on any one person.
ISIS is ISIS’s baby.
It’s on Dubya.
FWIW, I’m not really seeing that, either.
There are too many factors involved in the emergence of ISIS to pin the responsibility on any one person.
ISIS is ISIS’s baby.
It’s on Dubya.
FWIW, I’m not really seeing that, either.
There are too many factors involved in the emergence of ISIS to pin the responsibility on any one person.
ISIS is ISIS’s baby.
It is the new painters fault if he didn’t spackle them.
Unless the homeowner refuses to pay for spackle. Or to accept any delay, such as might occur while the new painter applied spackle at his own expense.
In which case, it’s up to the homeowner to go after the first painter if he is unhappy about the holes. But he can’t really blame the new painter.
It is the new painters fault if he didn’t spackle them.
Unless the homeowner refuses to pay for spackle. Or to accept any delay, such as might occur while the new painter applied spackle at his own expense.
In which case, it’s up to the homeowner to go after the first painter if he is unhappy about the holes. But he can’t really blame the new painter.
It is the new painters fault if he didn’t spackle them.
Unless the homeowner refuses to pay for spackle. Or to accept any delay, such as might occur while the new painter applied spackle at his own expense.
In which case, it’s up to the homeowner to go after the first painter if he is unhappy about the holes. But he can’t really blame the new painter.
There are too many factors involved in the emergence of ISIS to pin the responsibility on any one person.
Okay, okay, we’ll let Dubya off the hook for that one. Right after he goes on trial for his other war crimes.
Mkay?
There are too many factors involved in the emergence of ISIS to pin the responsibility on any one person.
Okay, okay, we’ll let Dubya off the hook for that one. Right after he goes on trial for his other war crimes.
Mkay?
There are too many factors involved in the emergence of ISIS to pin the responsibility on any one person.
Okay, okay, we’ll let Dubya off the hook for that one. Right after he goes on trial for his other war crimes.
Mkay?
What russell said:
ISIS is ISIS’s baby.
on this:
ISIS does the whole fear theater thing better than most, but other than that I’m not sure what makes them special.
Social media. That’s what they do better then the rest. I think they will find out (along with silicon valley) that that isn’t enough to get the world marching to your drum.
They have successfully managed to hold some ground within failed states. If they hadn’t ended up on top, some other group would have. They aren’t special, imo. They just managed to claw themselves to the top of the heap in a wartorn region.
What russell said:
ISIS is ISIS’s baby.
on this:
ISIS does the whole fear theater thing better than most, but other than that I’m not sure what makes them special.
Social media. That’s what they do better then the rest. I think they will find out (along with silicon valley) that that isn’t enough to get the world marching to your drum.
They have successfully managed to hold some ground within failed states. If they hadn’t ended up on top, some other group would have. They aren’t special, imo. They just managed to claw themselves to the top of the heap in a wartorn region.
What russell said:
ISIS is ISIS’s baby.
on this:
ISIS does the whole fear theater thing better than most, but other than that I’m not sure what makes them special.
Social media. That’s what they do better then the rest. I think they will find out (along with silicon valley) that that isn’t enough to get the world marching to your drum.
They have successfully managed to hold some ground within failed states. If they hadn’t ended up on top, some other group would have. They aren’t special, imo. They just managed to claw themselves to the top of the heap in a wartorn region.
Okay, okay, we’ll let Dubya off the hook for that one. Right after he goes on trial for his other war crimes.
OK with me.
Okay, okay, we’ll let Dubya off the hook for that one. Right after he goes on trial for his other war crimes.
OK with me.
Okay, okay, we’ll let Dubya off the hook for that one. Right after he goes on trial for his other war crimes.
OK with me.
The basic differences between ISIS (in Syria and Iraq) and Boko Haram (in Nigeria) are two:
1) ISIS is fine with using modern technology, especially for PR, whereas Boko Haram is allergic to it.
2) ISIS is fighting failed (or failing) states, while Boko Haram is fighting a national government which, while it has lots of problems, is basically functional.
They are equally fundamentalist fanatics, but not identical on those two areas.
As a result, everybody (even members of Congress and professional commentators) knows ISIS. Whereas most folks have never heard of Boko Haram.
The basic differences between ISIS (in Syria and Iraq) and Boko Haram (in Nigeria) are two:
1) ISIS is fine with using modern technology, especially for PR, whereas Boko Haram is allergic to it.
2) ISIS is fighting failed (or failing) states, while Boko Haram is fighting a national government which, while it has lots of problems, is basically functional.
They are equally fundamentalist fanatics, but not identical on those two areas.
As a result, everybody (even members of Congress and professional commentators) knows ISIS. Whereas most folks have never heard of Boko Haram.
The basic differences between ISIS (in Syria and Iraq) and Boko Haram (in Nigeria) are two:
1) ISIS is fine with using modern technology, especially for PR, whereas Boko Haram is allergic to it.
2) ISIS is fighting failed (or failing) states, while Boko Haram is fighting a national government which, while it has lots of problems, is basically functional.
They are equally fundamentalist fanatics, but not identical on those two areas.
As a result, everybody (even members of Congress and professional commentators) knows ISIS. Whereas most folks have never heard of Boko Haram.
I love Jeff skunk Baxter’s cockamamie guitar solo on “My Old School”
That’s a great solo, but is it just me, or does it go faster and faster?
Been away, so I’m not really sure where I’ve gotten the pointers to the stuff I’ve read, but this
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/04/25/the-possibilian
has this (towards the end, but do wade through it, it is a good read)
Early this winter, I joined Eagleman in London for his most recent project: a study of time perception in drummers. Timing studies tend to be performed on groups of random subjects or on patients with brain injuries or disorders. They’ve given us a good sense of average human abilities, but not the extremes: just how precise can a person’s timing be? “In neuroscience, you usually look for animals that are best at something,” Eagleman told me, over dinner at an Italian restaurant in Notting Hill. “If it’s memory, you study songbirds; if it’s olfaction, you look at rats and dogs. If I were studying athletes, I’d want to find the guy who can run a four-minute mile. I wouldn’t want a bunch of chubby high-school kids.”
The idea of studying drummers had come from Brian Eno, the composer, record producer, and former member of the band Roxy Music. Over the years, Eno had worked with U2, David Byrne, David Bowie, and some of the world’s most rhythmically gifted musicians. He owned a studio a few blocks away, in a converted stable on a cobblestoned cul-de-sac, and had sent an e-mail inviting a number of players to participate in Eagleman’s study. “The question is: do drummers have different brains from the rest of us?” Eno said. “Everyone who has ever worked in a band is sure that they do.”
And perhaps more apropos to the drift of this thread
Lately, though, he’d taken to calling himself a Possibilian—a denomination of his own invention. Science had taught him to be skeptical of cosmic certainties, he told me. From the unfathomed complexity of brain tissue—“essentially an alien computational material”—to the mystery of dark matter, we know too little about our own minds and the universe around us to insist on strict atheism, he said. “And we know far too much to commit to a particular religious story.” Why not revel in the alternatives? Why not imagine ourselves, as he did in “Sum,” as bits of networked hardware in a cosmic program, or as particles of some celestial organism, or any of a thousand other possibilities, and then test those ideas against the available evidence? “Part of the scientific temperament is this tolerance for holding multiple hypotheses in mind at the same time,” he said. “As Voltaire said, uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd one.”
I love Jeff skunk Baxter’s cockamamie guitar solo on “My Old School”
That’s a great solo, but is it just me, or does it go faster and faster?
Been away, so I’m not really sure where I’ve gotten the pointers to the stuff I’ve read, but this
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/04/25/the-possibilian
has this (towards the end, but do wade through it, it is a good read)
Early this winter, I joined Eagleman in London for his most recent project: a study of time perception in drummers. Timing studies tend to be performed on groups of random subjects or on patients with brain injuries or disorders. They’ve given us a good sense of average human abilities, but not the extremes: just how precise can a person’s timing be? “In neuroscience, you usually look for animals that are best at something,” Eagleman told me, over dinner at an Italian restaurant in Notting Hill. “If it’s memory, you study songbirds; if it’s olfaction, you look at rats and dogs. If I were studying athletes, I’d want to find the guy who can run a four-minute mile. I wouldn’t want a bunch of chubby high-school kids.”
The idea of studying drummers had come from Brian Eno, the composer, record producer, and former member of the band Roxy Music. Over the years, Eno had worked with U2, David Byrne, David Bowie, and some of the world’s most rhythmically gifted musicians. He owned a studio a few blocks away, in a converted stable on a cobblestoned cul-de-sac, and had sent an e-mail inviting a number of players to participate in Eagleman’s study. “The question is: do drummers have different brains from the rest of us?” Eno said. “Everyone who has ever worked in a band is sure that they do.”
And perhaps more apropos to the drift of this thread
Lately, though, he’d taken to calling himself a Possibilian—a denomination of his own invention. Science had taught him to be skeptical of cosmic certainties, he told me. From the unfathomed complexity of brain tissue—“essentially an alien computational material”—to the mystery of dark matter, we know too little about our own minds and the universe around us to insist on strict atheism, he said. “And we know far too much to commit to a particular religious story.” Why not revel in the alternatives? Why not imagine ourselves, as he did in “Sum,” as bits of networked hardware in a cosmic program, or as particles of some celestial organism, or any of a thousand other possibilities, and then test those ideas against the available evidence? “Part of the scientific temperament is this tolerance for holding multiple hypotheses in mind at the same time,” he said. “As Voltaire said, uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd one.”
I love Jeff skunk Baxter’s cockamamie guitar solo on “My Old School”
That’s a great solo, but is it just me, or does it go faster and faster?
Been away, so I’m not really sure where I’ve gotten the pointers to the stuff I’ve read, but this
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/04/25/the-possibilian
has this (towards the end, but do wade through it, it is a good read)
Early this winter, I joined Eagleman in London for his most recent project: a study of time perception in drummers. Timing studies tend to be performed on groups of random subjects or on patients with brain injuries or disorders. They’ve given us a good sense of average human abilities, but not the extremes: just how precise can a person’s timing be? “In neuroscience, you usually look for animals that are best at something,” Eagleman told me, over dinner at an Italian restaurant in Notting Hill. “If it’s memory, you study songbirds; if it’s olfaction, you look at rats and dogs. If I were studying athletes, I’d want to find the guy who can run a four-minute mile. I wouldn’t want a bunch of chubby high-school kids.”
The idea of studying drummers had come from Brian Eno, the composer, record producer, and former member of the band Roxy Music. Over the years, Eno had worked with U2, David Byrne, David Bowie, and some of the world’s most rhythmically gifted musicians. He owned a studio a few blocks away, in a converted stable on a cobblestoned cul-de-sac, and had sent an e-mail inviting a number of players to participate in Eagleman’s study. “The question is: do drummers have different brains from the rest of us?” Eno said. “Everyone who has ever worked in a band is sure that they do.”
And perhaps more apropos to the drift of this thread
Lately, though, he’d taken to calling himself a Possibilian—a denomination of his own invention. Science had taught him to be skeptical of cosmic certainties, he told me. From the unfathomed complexity of brain tissue—“essentially an alien computational material”—to the mystery of dark matter, we know too little about our own minds and the universe around us to insist on strict atheism, he said. “And we know far too much to commit to a particular religious story.” Why not revel in the alternatives? Why not imagine ourselves, as he did in “Sum,” as bits of networked hardware in a cosmic program, or as particles of some celestial organism, or any of a thousand other possibilities, and then test those ideas against the available evidence? “Part of the scientific temperament is this tolerance for holding multiple hypotheses in mind at the same time,” he said. “As Voltaire said, uncertainty is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is an absurd one.”
there is a great divide among drummers as regards strict time accuracy. guys who came of age after drum machines became widely available are generally capable of much greater metronome accuracy.
a lot of the more advanced hip hop guys – Chris dave, questlove – have mastered a thing where part of the time pattern will speed up or be ahead of the beat, and some will be behind. all without the underlying pulse moving an inch.
here is a fun app you can use to check your own basic time accurancy. most musicians I know who try it score in the middle to high 800’s (out of 1000). guys who grew up with electronic music or click tracks often hit in the 900’s. I’m good for 880 or 890.
take it for a spin.
http://www.concerthotels.com/got-rhythm
there is a great divide among drummers as regards strict time accuracy. guys who came of age after drum machines became widely available are generally capable of much greater metronome accuracy.
a lot of the more advanced hip hop guys – Chris dave, questlove – have mastered a thing where part of the time pattern will speed up or be ahead of the beat, and some will be behind. all without the underlying pulse moving an inch.
here is a fun app you can use to check your own basic time accurancy. most musicians I know who try it score in the middle to high 800’s (out of 1000). guys who grew up with electronic music or click tracks often hit in the 900’s. I’m good for 880 or 890.
take it for a spin.
http://www.concerthotels.com/got-rhythm
there is a great divide among drummers as regards strict time accuracy. guys who came of age after drum machines became widely available are generally capable of much greater metronome accuracy.
a lot of the more advanced hip hop guys – Chris dave, questlove – have mastered a thing where part of the time pattern will speed up or be ahead of the beat, and some will be behind. all without the underlying pulse moving an inch.
here is a fun app you can use to check your own basic time accurancy. most musicians I know who try it score in the middle to high 800’s (out of 1000). guys who grew up with electronic music or click tracks often hit in the 900’s. I’m good for 880 or 890.
take it for a spin.
http://www.concerthotels.com/got-rhythm
Hal Blaine, drummer and sort of the leader of the Wrecking Crew (couple of great documentaries available; they were the band behind the American “Bands” in the 1960s, whether it was pop/rockandroll, movie scores, commercial jingles, everyone was basically the Monkees plus the Wrecking Crew; you think the early Byrds or The Association could play those songs in the studio without at least 77 painful takes? Get the Wrecking Crew in here and save time and money. Then you had the genius of Brian Wilson singing and showing all 20 plus of them their parts, like Mozart, or Sinatra letting go with his impeccable phrasing against the Wrecking Crew’s chops) said somewhere or other that he played just a smidge behind the beat and it somehow sat in the mix better and relaxed the song.
Hal Blaine, drummer and sort of the leader of the Wrecking Crew (couple of great documentaries available; they were the band behind the American “Bands” in the 1960s, whether it was pop/rockandroll, movie scores, commercial jingles, everyone was basically the Monkees plus the Wrecking Crew; you think the early Byrds or The Association could play those songs in the studio without at least 77 painful takes? Get the Wrecking Crew in here and save time and money. Then you had the genius of Brian Wilson singing and showing all 20 plus of them their parts, like Mozart, or Sinatra letting go with his impeccable phrasing against the Wrecking Crew’s chops) said somewhere or other that he played just a smidge behind the beat and it somehow sat in the mix better and relaxed the song.
Hal Blaine, drummer and sort of the leader of the Wrecking Crew (couple of great documentaries available; they were the band behind the American “Bands” in the 1960s, whether it was pop/rockandroll, movie scores, commercial jingles, everyone was basically the Monkees plus the Wrecking Crew; you think the early Byrds or The Association could play those songs in the studio without at least 77 painful takes? Get the Wrecking Crew in here and save time and money. Then you had the genius of Brian Wilson singing and showing all 20 plus of them their parts, like Mozart, or Sinatra letting go with his impeccable phrasing against the Wrecking Crew’s chops) said somewhere or other that he played just a smidge behind the beat and it somehow sat in the mix better and relaxed the song.
On Iraq, what NV said at 01.06.
I’d add that the Iraq Withdrawal Agreement was signed in 2008, pre Obama, so blaming him for withdrawing is a bit rich.
The truth is that the country had descended into sectarianism before 2008, and while Obama clearly made his own set of mistakes – this article is pretty good on that:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-surge-fallacy/399344/
– it’s doubtful that any realistic US action would have made a massive difference by then.
On Iraq, what NV said at 01.06.
I’d add that the Iraq Withdrawal Agreement was signed in 2008, pre Obama, so blaming him for withdrawing is a bit rich.
The truth is that the country had descended into sectarianism before 2008, and while Obama clearly made his own set of mistakes – this article is pretty good on that:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-surge-fallacy/399344/
– it’s doubtful that any realistic US action would have made a massive difference by then.
On Iraq, what NV said at 01.06.
I’d add that the Iraq Withdrawal Agreement was signed in 2008, pre Obama, so blaming him for withdrawing is a bit rich.
The truth is that the country had descended into sectarianism before 2008, and while Obama clearly made his own set of mistakes – this article is pretty good on that:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-surge-fallacy/399344/
– it’s doubtful that any realistic US action would have made a massive difference by then.
Nigel, the obvious answer to the withdrawal agreement (from the view of American Exceptionalists) is that any treaty or agreement the US is involved in only binds the other parties but never the US, so it was Obama’s duty to simply ignore it and the failure to do so once again showed that he is a disgrace to the office of POTUS.
Nigel, the obvious answer to the withdrawal agreement (from the view of American Exceptionalists) is that any treaty or agreement the US is involved in only binds the other parties but never the US, so it was Obama’s duty to simply ignore it and the failure to do so once again showed that he is a disgrace to the office of POTUS.
Nigel, the obvious answer to the withdrawal agreement (from the view of American Exceptionalists) is that any treaty or agreement the US is involved in only binds the other parties but never the US, so it was Obama’s duty to simply ignore it and the failure to do so once again showed that he is a disgrace to the office of POTUS.
if America wanted someone to re-invade and re-dominate Iraq, they should’ve elected someone who wasn’t promising to GTFO of Iraq ASAP.
if America wanted someone to re-invade and re-dominate Iraq, they should’ve elected someone who wasn’t promising to GTFO of Iraq ASAP.
if America wanted someone to re-invade and re-dominate Iraq, they should’ve elected someone who wasn’t promising to GTFO of Iraq ASAP.
“I’d add that the Iraq Withdrawal Agreement was signed in 2008, pre Obama, so blaming him for withdrawing is a bit rich.”
I was wondering who blamed him for withdrawing. But the first two years of the administration Biden was touted as THE guy to go over there and fix things up. In the end he got nothing. So, not so rich. Bush got us out, Obama got us nothing.
“I’d add that the Iraq Withdrawal Agreement was signed in 2008, pre Obama, so blaming him for withdrawing is a bit rich.”
I was wondering who blamed him for withdrawing. But the first two years of the administration Biden was touted as THE guy to go over there and fix things up. In the end he got nothing. So, not so rich. Bush got us out, Obama got us nothing.
“I’d add that the Iraq Withdrawal Agreement was signed in 2008, pre Obama, so blaming him for withdrawing is a bit rich.”
I was wondering who blamed him for withdrawing. But the first two years of the administration Biden was touted as THE guy to go over there and fix things up. In the end he got nothing. So, not so rich. Bush got us out, Obama got us nothing.
Quoted from Daily Kos, excerpts from Bush’s speech, and reaction from George W. Bush’s appointed Ambassador to Kuwait, Richard Labaron:
‘Arguing that Clinton, as secretary of state, “stood by” while Iraq fell apart and as the Islamic State, also known as ISIL or ISIS, took root across Iraq and Syria puts Bush on offense, shifting the conversation away from whether the war itself was a mistake. (Bush admits now, after stumbling on this question for four days in May, that the invasion was a bad idea.)
“ISIS grew while the United States disengaged from the Middle East and ignored the threat,” Bush said. “And where was Secretary of State Clinton in all of this? Like the president himself, she had opposed the surge … then joined in claiming credit for its success … then stood by as that hard-won victory by American and allied forces was thrown away.” […]
“Why was the success of the surge followed by a withdrawal from Iraq, leaving not even the residual force that commanders and the Joint Chiefs knew was necessary?” Bush asked in his speech. “That premature withdrawal was the fatal error, creating the void that ISIS moved in to fill.”
Anyone have an answer to that question? Well, yes, plenty of people. Like Richard LeBaron, George W. Bush’s ambassador to Kuwait and a seasoned diplomat has an answer, and that is to say that the very question “distorts history.” Because, for one thing, the agreement to leave Iraq in 2011 was made by Jeb!’s big brother when he signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement in 2008. He adds that “if there was any ‘fatal error’ that led to the rise of ISIL […] it was George W. Bush’s dissolution of the Iraqi military in May 2003 rather than Obama’s U.S. troop drawdown in 2011.” Also, too, the surge was never intended to win the war—it was intended to give the Iraqis the opportunity to have some breathing space to negotiate a new government so that the U.S. could get the hell out. “The Bush administration was looking for an exit strategy; the whole country was looking to get out,” says LeBaron. “The surge was designed to get us out of Iraq, not to keep us involved there.”‘
In the interests of bipartisanship between the Left and the Pigf*uckers: here’s the same issue addressed by the estimable Streiff at LieState. Read it from the beginning. You get the full Trump/Ted Nugent Republican misogyny we’ve come to accept as new normal right-wing snuffling toward Hillary Clinton (homely woman who slept her way to the top) AND reference to Ambassador Labaron as some lame Democrat State department functionary):
http://www.redstate.com/2015/08/12/jeb-bush-attacks-hillary-iraq/
For background:
Richard Armitrage’s (among many of the dick’s the above cited Streiff tongue-polished during the Bush years) remarks in 2004 swearing in Richard Labaron as Ambassador to Kuwait, a front-line job, don’t ya think?:
http://2001-2009.state.gov/s/d/former/armitage/remarks/34812.htm
And, just for fun, in case any lurking filth want to argue the historical reasons for our own Civil War, which ain’t done yet, and I can’t effing wait for Part II to finish the job:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/11/1411087/-Head-of-Dept-of-History-at-West-Point-destroys-argument-that-Civil-War-wasn-t-fought-over-slavery
Quoted from Daily Kos, excerpts from Bush’s speech, and reaction from George W. Bush’s appointed Ambassador to Kuwait, Richard Labaron:
‘Arguing that Clinton, as secretary of state, “stood by” while Iraq fell apart and as the Islamic State, also known as ISIL or ISIS, took root across Iraq and Syria puts Bush on offense, shifting the conversation away from whether the war itself was a mistake. (Bush admits now, after stumbling on this question for four days in May, that the invasion was a bad idea.)
“ISIS grew while the United States disengaged from the Middle East and ignored the threat,” Bush said. “And where was Secretary of State Clinton in all of this? Like the president himself, she had opposed the surge … then joined in claiming credit for its success … then stood by as that hard-won victory by American and allied forces was thrown away.” […]
“Why was the success of the surge followed by a withdrawal from Iraq, leaving not even the residual force that commanders and the Joint Chiefs knew was necessary?” Bush asked in his speech. “That premature withdrawal was the fatal error, creating the void that ISIS moved in to fill.”
Anyone have an answer to that question? Well, yes, plenty of people. Like Richard LeBaron, George W. Bush’s ambassador to Kuwait and a seasoned diplomat has an answer, and that is to say that the very question “distorts history.” Because, for one thing, the agreement to leave Iraq in 2011 was made by Jeb!’s big brother when he signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement in 2008. He adds that “if there was any ‘fatal error’ that led to the rise of ISIL […] it was George W. Bush’s dissolution of the Iraqi military in May 2003 rather than Obama’s U.S. troop drawdown in 2011.” Also, too, the surge was never intended to win the war—it was intended to give the Iraqis the opportunity to have some breathing space to negotiate a new government so that the U.S. could get the hell out. “The Bush administration was looking for an exit strategy; the whole country was looking to get out,” says LeBaron. “The surge was designed to get us out of Iraq, not to keep us involved there.”‘
In the interests of bipartisanship between the Left and the Pigf*uckers: here’s the same issue addressed by the estimable Streiff at LieState. Read it from the beginning. You get the full Trump/Ted Nugent Republican misogyny we’ve come to accept as new normal right-wing snuffling toward Hillary Clinton (homely woman who slept her way to the top) AND reference to Ambassador Labaron as some lame Democrat State department functionary):
http://www.redstate.com/2015/08/12/jeb-bush-attacks-hillary-iraq/
For background:
Richard Armitrage’s (among many of the dick’s the above cited Streiff tongue-polished during the Bush years) remarks in 2004 swearing in Richard Labaron as Ambassador to Kuwait, a front-line job, don’t ya think?:
http://2001-2009.state.gov/s/d/former/armitage/remarks/34812.htm
And, just for fun, in case any lurking filth want to argue the historical reasons for our own Civil War, which ain’t done yet, and I can’t effing wait for Part II to finish the job:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/11/1411087/-Head-of-Dept-of-History-at-West-Point-destroys-argument-that-Civil-War-wasn-t-fought-over-slavery
Quoted from Daily Kos, excerpts from Bush’s speech, and reaction from George W. Bush’s appointed Ambassador to Kuwait, Richard Labaron:
‘Arguing that Clinton, as secretary of state, “stood by” while Iraq fell apart and as the Islamic State, also known as ISIL or ISIS, took root across Iraq and Syria puts Bush on offense, shifting the conversation away from whether the war itself was a mistake. (Bush admits now, after stumbling on this question for four days in May, that the invasion was a bad idea.)
“ISIS grew while the United States disengaged from the Middle East and ignored the threat,” Bush said. “And where was Secretary of State Clinton in all of this? Like the president himself, she had opposed the surge … then joined in claiming credit for its success … then stood by as that hard-won victory by American and allied forces was thrown away.” […]
“Why was the success of the surge followed by a withdrawal from Iraq, leaving not even the residual force that commanders and the Joint Chiefs knew was necessary?” Bush asked in his speech. “That premature withdrawal was the fatal error, creating the void that ISIS moved in to fill.”
Anyone have an answer to that question? Well, yes, plenty of people. Like Richard LeBaron, George W. Bush’s ambassador to Kuwait and a seasoned diplomat has an answer, and that is to say that the very question “distorts history.” Because, for one thing, the agreement to leave Iraq in 2011 was made by Jeb!’s big brother when he signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement in 2008. He adds that “if there was any ‘fatal error’ that led to the rise of ISIL […] it was George W. Bush’s dissolution of the Iraqi military in May 2003 rather than Obama’s U.S. troop drawdown in 2011.” Also, too, the surge was never intended to win the war—it was intended to give the Iraqis the opportunity to have some breathing space to negotiate a new government so that the U.S. could get the hell out. “The Bush administration was looking for an exit strategy; the whole country was looking to get out,” says LeBaron. “The surge was designed to get us out of Iraq, not to keep us involved there.”‘
In the interests of bipartisanship between the Left and the Pigf*uckers: here’s the same issue addressed by the estimable Streiff at LieState. Read it from the beginning. You get the full Trump/Ted Nugent Republican misogyny we’ve come to accept as new normal right-wing snuffling toward Hillary Clinton (homely woman who slept her way to the top) AND reference to Ambassador Labaron as some lame Democrat State department functionary):
http://www.redstate.com/2015/08/12/jeb-bush-attacks-hillary-iraq/
For background:
Richard Armitrage’s (among many of the dick’s the above cited Streiff tongue-polished during the Bush years) remarks in 2004 swearing in Richard Labaron as Ambassador to Kuwait, a front-line job, don’t ya think?:
http://2001-2009.state.gov/s/d/former/armitage/remarks/34812.htm
And, just for fun, in case any lurking filth want to argue the historical reasons for our own Civil War, which ain’t done yet, and I can’t effing wait for Part II to finish the job:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/11/1411087/-Head-of-Dept-of-History-at-West-Point-destroys-argument-that-Civil-War-wasn-t-fought-over-slavery
Finally, after, “taking on their own”, we get some bipartisan disruption:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-black-lives-matter-protest
Going to be a fun 15 months.
Finally, after, “taking on their own”, we get some bipartisan disruption:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-black-lives-matter-protest
Going to be a fun 15 months.
Finally, after, “taking on their own”, we get some bipartisan disruption:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-black-lives-matter-protest
Going to be a fun 15 months.
Bush got us out
OK, we’re through the looking glass now.
How’d we get in?
C’mon man, give it a rest.
he played just a smidge behind the beat and it somehow sat in the mix better and relaxed the song.
“Make the space between the notes as wide as you can”.
Epiphanic advice from the great Bob Moses. I’ll be chewing on that one until the day I die.
Better git it in your soul, y’all.
Bush got us out
OK, we’re through the looking glass now.
How’d we get in?
C’mon man, give it a rest.
he played just a smidge behind the beat and it somehow sat in the mix better and relaxed the song.
“Make the space between the notes as wide as you can”.
Epiphanic advice from the great Bob Moses. I’ll be chewing on that one until the day I die.
Better git it in your soul, y’all.
Bush got us out
OK, we’re through the looking glass now.
How’d we get in?
C’mon man, give it a rest.
he played just a smidge behind the beat and it somehow sat in the mix better and relaxed the song.
“Make the space between the notes as wide as you can”.
Epiphanic advice from the great Bob Moses. I’ll be chewing on that one until the day I die.
Better git it in your soul, y’all.
Bush got us out, Obama got us nothing.
So Bush gets credit for getting us out. But Obama gets blamed for the rise of ISIS — which was enabled by us getting out. Why am I seeing a bit of a disconnect here?
Bush got us out, Obama got us nothing.
So Bush gets credit for getting us out. But Obama gets blamed for the rise of ISIS — which was enabled by us getting out. Why am I seeing a bit of a disconnect here?
Bush got us out, Obama got us nothing.
So Bush gets credit for getting us out. But Obama gets blamed for the rise of ISIS — which was enabled by us getting out. Why am I seeing a bit of a disconnect here?
The Left are not the ones telling the Republican Party that its far-right rump (embodied by Trump et al) is in the ascendancy this time with staying power, the far-right rump is telling the Republican Party how it’s going to be:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-2016-futility-121233.html#ixzz3ieK4wJdE
The Republican Party is splitting into Shia and Sunni.
And, natch, the black guy in the White House is to blame for that too.
Cowardly Republicans need to take some responsibiity for the dangerous tack your Party is taking for a change.
How dangerous? Dangerous enough that it will require a surge to clean it up by unusual means.
This is the fruition of the Republican Party’s embrace of the worst instincts of their base over the last 40 years to try to cobble together this “majority” that keeps being referred to.
But, but … tax cuts!
Believe me, there will be CUTS!
The Left are not the ones telling the Republican Party that its far-right rump (embodied by Trump et al) is in the ascendancy this time with staying power, the far-right rump is telling the Republican Party how it’s going to be:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-2016-futility-121233.html#ixzz3ieK4wJdE
The Republican Party is splitting into Shia and Sunni.
And, natch, the black guy in the White House is to blame for that too.
Cowardly Republicans need to take some responsibiity for the dangerous tack your Party is taking for a change.
How dangerous? Dangerous enough that it will require a surge to clean it up by unusual means.
This is the fruition of the Republican Party’s embrace of the worst instincts of their base over the last 40 years to try to cobble together this “majority” that keeps being referred to.
But, but … tax cuts!
Believe me, there will be CUTS!
The Left are not the ones telling the Republican Party that its far-right rump (embodied by Trump et al) is in the ascendancy this time with staying power, the far-right rump is telling the Republican Party how it’s going to be:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-2016-futility-121233.html#ixzz3ieK4wJdE
The Republican Party is splitting into Shia and Sunni.
And, natch, the black guy in the White House is to blame for that too.
Cowardly Republicans need to take some responsibiity for the dangerous tack your Party is taking for a change.
How dangerous? Dangerous enough that it will require a surge to clean it up by unusual means.
This is the fruition of the Republican Party’s embrace of the worst instincts of their base over the last 40 years to try to cobble together this “majority” that keeps being referred to.
But, but … tax cuts!
Believe me, there will be CUTS!
russell, how is the app supposed to end? I did it for several minutes until my kids started bugging me. Nothing happened when I stopped.
russell, how is the app supposed to end? I did it for several minutes until my kids started bugging me. Nothing happened when I stopped.
russell, how is the app supposed to end? I did it for several minutes until my kids started bugging me. Nothing happened when I stopped.
And my forearm is kind of tired.
And my forearm is kind of tired.
And my forearm is kind of tired.
Sometimes. I admit, I do this for the aggravation value.
hsh claims Obama did great things, I day he didn’t do anything in Iraq, nigel comes back with the laughability, I again say Obama yes did nothing, then Russell says, but who got us in. A point never contended. Yall decide what argument you want to have. ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term. I’m with Russell, its hard to blame them on either president really.
Sometimes. I admit, I do this for the aggravation value.
hsh claims Obama did great things, I day he didn’t do anything in Iraq, nigel comes back with the laughability, I again say Obama yes did nothing, then Russell says, but who got us in. A point never contended. Yall decide what argument you want to have. ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term. I’m with Russell, its hard to blame them on either president really.
Sometimes. I admit, I do this for the aggravation value.
hsh claims Obama did great things, I day he didn’t do anything in Iraq, nigel comes back with the laughability, I again say Obama yes did nothing, then Russell says, but who got us in. A point never contended. Yall decide what argument you want to have. ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term. I’m with Russell, its hard to blame them on either president really.
hsh, that happens to me all the time.
hsh, that happens to me all the time.
hsh, that happens to me all the time.
Yeah, re-reading those comment together makes for some interesting possible interpetations it would seem. (You really are a wanker.)
Yeah, re-reading those comment together makes for some interesting possible interpetations it would seem. (You really are a wanker.)
Yeah, re-reading those comment together makes for some interesting possible interpetations it would seem. (You really are a wanker.)
russell, how is the app supposed to end?
It never ends. You will now be forced to spend the rest of your life tapping on whatever surfaces are at hand.
In other words, YOU ARE NOW A DRUMMER!!
Bwahaha!!
🙂
Actually, it’s supposed to give you a score at the end.
russell, how is the app supposed to end?
It never ends. You will now be forced to spend the rest of your life tapping on whatever surfaces are at hand.
In other words, YOU ARE NOW A DRUMMER!!
Bwahaha!!
🙂
Actually, it’s supposed to give you a score at the end.
russell, how is the app supposed to end?
It never ends. You will now be forced to spend the rest of your life tapping on whatever surfaces are at hand.
In other words, YOU ARE NOW A DRUMMER!!
Bwahaha!!
🙂
Actually, it’s supposed to give you a score at the end.
But it decides when you’re done? You don’t get a score of some kind when you stop on your own?
But it decides when you’re done? You don’t get a score of some kind when you stop on your own?
But it decides when you’re done? You don’t get a score of some kind when you stop on your own?
ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term.
oh the fuck it was. go read the Wiki page, if you won’t take my word it.
“ISIS” is the latest name for an organization that was initially formed in 1999, flourished in the chaos of Bush’s Iraq and rebranded itself as ISIS in 2013.
ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term.
oh the fuck it was. go read the Wiki page, if you won’t take my word it.
“ISIS” is the latest name for an organization that was initially formed in 1999, flourished in the chaos of Bush’s Iraq and rebranded itself as ISIS in 2013.
ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term.
oh the fuck it was. go read the Wiki page, if you won’t take my word it.
“ISIS” is the latest name for an organization that was initially formed in 1999, flourished in the chaos of Bush’s Iraq and rebranded itself as ISIS in 2013.
Marty: Sometimes. I admit, I do this for the aggravation value.
Whose?
Practicing self-aggravation on the World-Wide Web is a bit weird. But if it gets you off then I suppose it is simple Christian charity to give you a hand.
Looking to aggravate others is simply trolling. If that’s what you’re into, you could at least practice punctuation.
–TP
Marty: Sometimes. I admit, I do this for the aggravation value.
Whose?
Practicing self-aggravation on the World-Wide Web is a bit weird. But if it gets you off then I suppose it is simple Christian charity to give you a hand.
Looking to aggravate others is simply trolling. If that’s what you’re into, you could at least practice punctuation.
–TP
Marty: Sometimes. I admit, I do this for the aggravation value.
Whose?
Practicing self-aggravation on the World-Wide Web is a bit weird. But if it gets you off then I suppose it is simple Christian charity to give you a hand.
Looking to aggravate others is simply trolling. If that’s what you’re into, you could at least practice punctuation.
–TP
hsh claims Obama did great things, I day he didn’t do anything in Iraq, nigel comes back with the laughability, I again say Obama yes did nothing, then Russell says, but who got us in. A point never contended. Yall decide what argument you want to have. ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term.
Marty, you left out one key piece of the narrative, the one where you suggested that 12 years is such a long time that we can’t possibly consider things that happened then to be causes of things that happened latter, and likewise suggested that responsibility for a group’s rise to power falls more squarely on the individual who failed to be sufficiently proactive in changing course and countering them once they became prominent rather than the individual who created the environment and conditions needed for their rise as well as actually being in charge of things when they established themselves in the region and began to, ya know, “rise to power”. Rebranding isn’t birth.
Look, I enjoy a bit of conversational bean-flicking as much as anyone, but I at least am making my overwrought and long-winded arguments in good faith (or very blatant sarcasm with no effort to confuse anyone about its nature). Verbal self-gratification that conceals its wants and desires is pretty much trolling.
hsh claims Obama did great things, I day he didn’t do anything in Iraq, nigel comes back with the laughability, I again say Obama yes did nothing, then Russell says, but who got us in. A point never contended. Yall decide what argument you want to have. ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term.
Marty, you left out one key piece of the narrative, the one where you suggested that 12 years is such a long time that we can’t possibly consider things that happened then to be causes of things that happened latter, and likewise suggested that responsibility for a group’s rise to power falls more squarely on the individual who failed to be sufficiently proactive in changing course and countering them once they became prominent rather than the individual who created the environment and conditions needed for their rise as well as actually being in charge of things when they established themselves in the region and began to, ya know, “rise to power”. Rebranding isn’t birth.
Look, I enjoy a bit of conversational bean-flicking as much as anyone, but I at least am making my overwrought and long-winded arguments in good faith (or very blatant sarcasm with no effort to confuse anyone about its nature). Verbal self-gratification that conceals its wants and desires is pretty much trolling.
hsh claims Obama did great things, I day he didn’t do anything in Iraq, nigel comes back with the laughability, I again say Obama yes did nothing, then Russell says, but who got us in. A point never contended. Yall decide what argument you want to have. ISIS was at least 4 years into 4years into Obama’s term.
Marty, you left out one key piece of the narrative, the one where you suggested that 12 years is such a long time that we can’t possibly consider things that happened then to be causes of things that happened latter, and likewise suggested that responsibility for a group’s rise to power falls more squarely on the individual who failed to be sufficiently proactive in changing course and countering them once they became prominent rather than the individual who created the environment and conditions needed for their rise as well as actually being in charge of things when they established themselves in the region and began to, ya know, “rise to power”. Rebranding isn’t birth.
Look, I enjoy a bit of conversational bean-flicking as much as anyone, but I at least am making my overwrought and long-winded arguments in good faith (or very blatant sarcasm with no effort to confuse anyone about its nature). Verbal self-gratification that conceals its wants and desires is pretty much trolling.
My arguments are in good faith Russell, the extended thread often loses sight of what was said in the first place. So I find myself arguing that Obama doesn’t really get credit for the withdrawal and that he doesn’t really get blamed for the withdrawal all at the same time. Although the decision not to leave anyone behind was his, weighed against some negative demands. Then having to point out I understand who got us into this. All the while simply trying to point out that you really can’t blame the spread of ISIS on Bush. It really did pick up traction long after he was out of office. No matter how long some related organizations have existed.
My arguments are in good faith Russell, the extended thread often loses sight of what was said in the first place. So I find myself arguing that Obama doesn’t really get credit for the withdrawal and that he doesn’t really get blamed for the withdrawal all at the same time. Although the decision not to leave anyone behind was his, weighed against some negative demands. Then having to point out I understand who got us into this. All the while simply trying to point out that you really can’t blame the spread of ISIS on Bush. It really did pick up traction long after he was out of office. No matter how long some related organizations have existed.
My arguments are in good faith Russell, the extended thread often loses sight of what was said in the first place. So I find myself arguing that Obama doesn’t really get credit for the withdrawal and that he doesn’t really get blamed for the withdrawal all at the same time. Although the decision not to leave anyone behind was his, weighed against some negative demands. Then having to point out I understand who got us into this. All the while simply trying to point out that you really can’t blame the spread of ISIS on Bush. It really did pick up traction long after he was out of office. No matter how long some related organizations have existed.
Sorry Russell and nv, my last was in response to nv’s 11:08.
Sorry Russell and nv, my last was in response to nv’s 11:08.
Sorry Russell and nv, my last was in response to nv’s 11:08.
The dumpster fire flares as one who represents Republicans, deny it as they will, shoots off a few more rounds from his mega-clip mouth:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-nugent-megyn-kelly-trump
I find the explanation of the logistics of what Nugent is doing while he watches Megan Kelly while naked on the couch cleaning his weapons not completely forthcoming.
I mean, how does the ammo he claims he’s dropping on his microscopic junk reach all the way to his crotch with Mike Huckabee’s mouth in the way?
Classy folks the Republicans have as the face of the dead Republican Party.
The dumpster fire flares as one who represents Republicans, deny it as they will, shoots off a few more rounds from his mega-clip mouth:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-nugent-megyn-kelly-trump
I find the explanation of the logistics of what Nugent is doing while he watches Megan Kelly while naked on the couch cleaning his weapons not completely forthcoming.
I mean, how does the ammo he claims he’s dropping on his microscopic junk reach all the way to his crotch with Mike Huckabee’s mouth in the way?
Classy folks the Republicans have as the face of the dead Republican Party.
The dumpster fire flares as one who represents Republicans, deny it as they will, shoots off a few more rounds from his mega-clip mouth:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-nugent-megyn-kelly-trump
I find the explanation of the logistics of what Nugent is doing while he watches Megan Kelly while naked on the couch cleaning his weapons not completely forthcoming.
I mean, how does the ammo he claims he’s dropping on his microscopic junk reach all the way to his crotch with Mike Huckabee’s mouth in the way?
Classy folks the Republicans have as the face of the dead Republican Party.
Hey, Dobe, you’ve always counseled me to quit while I’m ahead, although while you’re at it, you also slip in the observation that I’m never ahead, but that’s neither here nor there.
I’m here for you. See you at the malt shop.
Love, your friend, Maynard J. (call me Keynes) Krebs
Hey, Dobe, you’ve always counseled me to quit while I’m ahead, although while you’re at it, you also slip in the observation that I’m never ahead, but that’s neither here nor there.
I’m here for you. See you at the malt shop.
Love, your friend, Maynard J. (call me Keynes) Krebs
Hey, Dobe, you’ve always counseled me to quit while I’m ahead, although while you’re at it, you also slip in the observation that I’m never ahead, but that’s neither here nor there.
I’m here for you. See you at the malt shop.
Love, your friend, Maynard J. (call me Keynes) Krebs
We already know who Trump is going to be blamed on: the Clintons.
I have to admit this is among the most plausible conspiracy theories in some time. No, The Donald is not just a puppet dancing to Hill&Bill’s tune but they could have had a hand in getting him to go in fully this time instead of going back to his TV show his ‘run’ served as an ad for.
Sweet revenge for GOP support for Nader too.
We already know who Trump is going to be blamed on: the Clintons.
I have to admit this is among the most plausible conspiracy theories in some time. No, The Donald is not just a puppet dancing to Hill&Bill’s tune but they could have had a hand in getting him to go in fully this time instead of going back to his TV show his ‘run’ served as an ad for.
Sweet revenge for GOP support for Nader too.
We already know who Trump is going to be blamed on: the Clintons.
I have to admit this is among the most plausible conspiracy theories in some time. No, The Donald is not just a puppet dancing to Hill&Bill’s tune but they could have had a hand in getting him to go in fully this time instead of going back to his TV show his ‘run’ served as an ad for.
Sweet revenge for GOP support for Nader too.
Count, I am flummoxed today by the sad state of my forearm. I am now going to see how long it can go with nothing happening.
Count, I am flummoxed today by the sad state of my forearm. I am now going to see how long it can go with nothing happening.
Count, I am flummoxed today by the sad state of my forearm. I am now going to see how long it can go with nothing happening.
But it decides when you’re done?
Yes, after several seconds it should give you a visual countdown, then stop and give you a score.
Don’t know why that isn’t happening for you…?
The whole thing should last maybe a minute.
And I will leave that last as a straight line for the Count. 🙂
But it decides when you’re done?
Yes, after several seconds it should give you a visual countdown, then stop and give you a score.
Don’t know why that isn’t happening for you…?
The whole thing should last maybe a minute.
And I will leave that last as a straight line for the Count. 🙂
But it decides when you’re done?
Yes, after several seconds it should give you a visual countdown, then stop and give you a score.
Don’t know why that isn’t happening for you…?
The whole thing should last maybe a minute.
And I will leave that last as a straight line for the Count. 🙂
I think the clicks from the app came and went several times, and they were definitely there when I stopped. It was hard to tell while I was doing it, between the click produced by the speaker when I tapped, the click of the space bar, and the click of the iPad case-keyboard on the counter top. It was waaaayyyy more than a minute, though. That’s for sure.
I think the clicks from the app came and went several times, and they were definitely there when I stopped. It was hard to tell while I was doing it, between the click produced by the speaker when I tapped, the click of the space bar, and the click of the iPad case-keyboard on the counter top. It was waaaayyyy more than a minute, though. That’s for sure.
I think the clicks from the app came and went several times, and they were definitely there when I stopped. It was hard to tell while I was doing it, between the click produced by the speaker when I tapped, the click of the space bar, and the click of the iPad case-keyboard on the counter top. It was waaaayyyy more than a minute, though. That’s for sure.
Nothing ever happened. But in the app I consistently got 735, and I was always late. Better than never. IANAD
Nothing ever happened. But in the app I consistently got 735, and I was always late. Better than never. IANAD
Nothing ever happened. But in the app I consistently got 735, and I was always late. Better than never. IANAD
Although the decision not to leave anyone behind was his, weighed against some negative demands.
Actually, if we’re trying to allocate responsibility as narrowly as possible, it was the Shai-majority Iraqi government’s decision. Unless the American invasion did not, per prior claims, “free” Iraq.
Although the decision not to leave anyone behind was his, weighed against some negative demands.
Actually, if we’re trying to allocate responsibility as narrowly as possible, it was the Shai-majority Iraqi government’s decision. Unless the American invasion did not, per prior claims, “free” Iraq.
Although the decision not to leave anyone behind was his, weighed against some negative demands.
Actually, if we’re trying to allocate responsibility as narrowly as possible, it was the Shai-majority Iraqi government’s decision. Unless the American invasion did not, per prior claims, “free” Iraq.
But in the app I consistently got 735, and I was always late.
735 is a respectable score for a non-practicing-musician.
Always late is better than sometimes late, sometimes early.
But in the app I consistently got 735, and I was always late.
735 is a respectable score for a non-practicing-musician.
Always late is better than sometimes late, sometimes early.
But in the app I consistently got 735, and I was always late.
735 is a respectable score for a non-practicing-musician.
Always late is better than sometimes late, sometimes early.
Okay. I got 803. This time, I tapped my screen rather than the keyboard.
Okay. I got 803. This time, I tapped my screen rather than the keyboard.
Okay. I got 803. This time, I tapped my screen rather than the keyboard.
811
clicking a mouse in time is a strange feeling.
811
clicking a mouse in time is a strange feeling.
811
clicking a mouse in time is a strange feeling.
So I’m going to brag. I got 925 after doing it a few times. But my scores are most often in the mid 800s. I can’t seem to replicate getting over 900.
So I’m going to brag. I got 925 after doing it a few times. But my scores are most often in the mid 800s. I can’t seem to replicate getting over 900.
So I’m going to brag. I got 925 after doing it a few times. But my scores are most often in the mid 800s. I can’t seem to replicate getting over 900.
925 is a damned good score.
925 is a damned good score.
925 is a damned good score.
I did get 815 once. I suspect that the real challenge for me would be doing that for any longer than it tests. I lose focus even in the middle of songs I’m listening to and drumming on the steering wheel.
I did get 815 once. I suspect that the real challenge for me would be doing that for any longer than it tests. I lose focus even in the middle of songs I’m listening to and drumming on the steering wheel.
I did get 815 once. I suspect that the real challenge for me would be doing that for any longer than it tests. I lose focus even in the middle of songs I’m listening to and drumming on the steering wheel.
iPad, so linking is out.
Megan Kelly is going on vacation for 10 days. Rumor has it that Ailes has ordered her to undergo a hysterectomy under pressure from the 17 Republican pigf&ckers, and instruction from the Republican National Commitee to staunche this bleeding from her eyes.
Meanwhile, Deborah Schlussel, who apparently suffers from a testosterone surge, has tweeted that the “cancer” has “cancer”. Read: Jimmy Carter.
Dr. Carson looked up tweezing apart fetal tissue for his research, to condemn women who require abortions to death and disfigurement. He surged in the polls.
There is a very short window of time for saving the country from its enemies, as the founding stepfather so prescribed.
iPad, so linking is out.
Megan Kelly is going on vacation for 10 days. Rumor has it that Ailes has ordered her to undergo a hysterectomy under pressure from the 17 Republican pigf&ckers, and instruction from the Republican National Commitee to staunche this bleeding from her eyes.
Meanwhile, Deborah Schlussel, who apparently suffers from a testosterone surge, has tweeted that the “cancer” has “cancer”. Read: Jimmy Carter.
Dr. Carson looked up tweezing apart fetal tissue for his research, to condemn women who require abortions to death and disfigurement. He surged in the polls.
There is a very short window of time for saving the country from its enemies, as the founding stepfather so prescribed.
iPad, so linking is out.
Megan Kelly is going on vacation for 10 days. Rumor has it that Ailes has ordered her to undergo a hysterectomy under pressure from the 17 Republican pigf&ckers, and instruction from the Republican National Commitee to staunche this bleeding from her eyes.
Meanwhile, Deborah Schlussel, who apparently suffers from a testosterone surge, has tweeted that the “cancer” has “cancer”. Read: Jimmy Carter.
Dr. Carson looked up tweezing apart fetal tissue for his research, to condemn women who require abortions to death and disfigurement. He surged in the polls.
There is a very short window of time for saving the country from its enemies, as the founding stepfather so prescribed.
NBC fired Trump from his “you’re fired” brutality show.
This keeps up, the man is going to need a job.
The bad news is that conservative vermin will now decry the liberal press abusing Trump.
The bad news is that NBC will search for another self-entitled Ameirican piece of sh$t to undertake the firing ( American’s favorite pastime, to show who is the dominate chimpanzee) of over-luggaged twits on camera and follow them out to the limo for some overtime trash talk.
Maybe they can find jobs in Mexico.
The good news. Well, there isn’t any, unless you count Ted Nugent’s gun going off while locking, loading, and whacking off to Kelly’s vacation pics, and taking out both his slight manhood and Mike Huckabee’s front teeth simulataneously.
See, you need to talk to Republicans on their terms.
NBC fired Trump from his “you’re fired” brutality show.
This keeps up, the man is going to need a job.
The bad news is that conservative vermin will now decry the liberal press abusing Trump.
The bad news is that NBC will search for another self-entitled Ameirican piece of sh$t to undertake the firing ( American’s favorite pastime, to show who is the dominate chimpanzee) of over-luggaged twits on camera and follow them out to the limo for some overtime trash talk.
Maybe they can find jobs in Mexico.
The good news. Well, there isn’t any, unless you count Ted Nugent’s gun going off while locking, loading, and whacking off to Kelly’s vacation pics, and taking out both his slight manhood and Mike Huckabee’s front teeth simulataneously.
See, you need to talk to Republicans on their terms.
NBC fired Trump from his “you’re fired” brutality show.
This keeps up, the man is going to need a job.
The bad news is that conservative vermin will now decry the liberal press abusing Trump.
The bad news is that NBC will search for another self-entitled Ameirican piece of sh$t to undertake the firing ( American’s favorite pastime, to show who is the dominate chimpanzee) of over-luggaged twits on camera and follow them out to the limo for some overtime trash talk.
Maybe they can find jobs in Mexico.
The good news. Well, there isn’t any, unless you count Ted Nugent’s gun going off while locking, loading, and whacking off to Kelly’s vacation pics, and taking out both his slight manhood and Mike Huckabee’s front teeth simulataneously.
See, you need to talk to Republicans on their terms.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
said nobody ever in the entire universe, until now.
Jèb↓ is insane.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
said nobody ever in the entire universe, until now.
Jèb↓ is insane.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
said nobody ever in the entire universe, until now.
Jèb↓ is insane.
Yeah, that’s right up there with Madeleine Albright’s quip about the value of the sanctions regime.
Yeah, that’s right up there with Madeleine Albright’s quip about the value of the sanctions regime.
Yeah, that’s right up there with Madeleine Albright’s quip about the value of the sanctions regime.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
said nobody ever in the entire universe, until now.
Oh, the Iranians thought it was a great deal. After all, they had been fighting his Iraq for a decade. Not to mention repressing their fellow Shiites in Iraq. Definitely good riddance from their point of view.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
said nobody ever in the entire universe, until now.
Oh, the Iranians thought it was a great deal. After all, they had been fighting his Iraq for a decade. Not to mention repressing their fellow Shiites in Iraq. Definitely good riddance from their point of view.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
said nobody ever in the entire universe, until now.
Oh, the Iranians thought it was a great deal. After all, they had been fighting his Iraq for a decade. Not to mention repressing their fellow Shiites in Iraq. Definitely good riddance from their point of view.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
My brother got re-elected, my father didn’t. Word.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
My brother got re-elected, my father didn’t. Word.
“I’ll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal.”
My brother got re-elected, my father didn’t. Word.
Perhaps my memory is failing. But I don’t recall failure to take out Saddam looming particularly large in the 1992 election.
Although admittedly many politicians have trouble with the “correlation is not causation” concept.
Perhaps my memory is failing. But I don’t recall failure to take out Saddam looming particularly large in the 1992 election.
Although admittedly many politicians have trouble with the “correlation is not causation” concept.
Perhaps my memory is failing. But I don’t recall failure to take out Saddam looming particularly large in the 1992 election.
Although admittedly many politicians have trouble with the “correlation is not causation” concept.
It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to make sense to Jeb.
It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to make sense to Jeb.
It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to make sense to Jeb.
Jeb’s just political dumpster diving – the intellectually impovererished sometimes have no option but to root out discarded ideas.
849, twice. Funnily, I can ‘feel’ when I’m significantly ahead or behind on a beat, and seem to involuntarily compensate a couple of beats later.
Jeb’s just political dumpster diving – the intellectually impovererished sometimes have no option but to root out discarded ideas.
849, twice. Funnily, I can ‘feel’ when I’m significantly ahead or behind on a beat, and seem to involuntarily compensate a couple of beats later.
Jeb’s just political dumpster diving – the intellectually impovererished sometimes have no option but to root out discarded ideas.
849, twice. Funnily, I can ‘feel’ when I’m significantly ahead or behind on a beat, and seem to involuntarily compensate a couple of beats later.
I tried the drummer thing last night while intoxicated (purely for the sake of science). It wasn’t just that I was worse on average, but my scores varied far more wildly. I got as high as 919, when I was almost dancing to the beat, but as low as 648 another time.
I tried the drummer thing last night while intoxicated (purely for the sake of science). It wasn’t just that I was worse on average, but my scores varied far more wildly. I got as high as 919, when I was almost dancing to the beat, but as low as 648 another time.
I tried the drummer thing last night while intoxicated (purely for the sake of science). It wasn’t just that I was worse on average, but my scores varied far more wildly. I got as high as 919, when I was almost dancing to the beat, but as low as 648 another time.
Oh, the other thing is that was mostly late, whereas my tendency is to be a bit early normally.
Oh, the other thing is that was mostly late, whereas my tendency is to be a bit early normally.
Oh, the other thing is that was mostly late, whereas my tendency is to be a bit early normally.
Time to halt the slightly delayed rimshots every time the clownstick speaks now that we’re reaching Stage 4
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/15/tales-from-real-ameritrump/
Fiorina just said California is wrong and should not mandate vaccination for communicable diseases, BUT that schools should be able to bar children whose parents opt out of vaccination.
Typical Republican governance — f*cking everyone and calling it a tie.
So much for the Great Society.
More like the Pigsh*t Society.
Time to halt the slightly delayed rimshots every time the clownstick speaks now that we’re reaching Stage 4
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/15/tales-from-real-ameritrump/
Fiorina just said California is wrong and should not mandate vaccination for communicable diseases, BUT that schools should be able to bar children whose parents opt out of vaccination.
Typical Republican governance — f*cking everyone and calling it a tie.
So much for the Great Society.
More like the Pigsh*t Society.
Time to halt the slightly delayed rimshots every time the clownstick speaks now that we’re reaching Stage 4
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/08/15/tales-from-real-ameritrump/
Fiorina just said California is wrong and should not mandate vaccination for communicable diseases, BUT that schools should be able to bar children whose parents opt out of vaccination.
Typical Republican governance — f*cking everyone and calling it a tie.
So much for the Great Society.
More like the Pigsh*t Society.
This is armed pigf*cking republican government:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1411793/-Another-miner-summons-armed-militia-to-protect-his-abuse-of-public-lands
They defend government murderers in Ferguson, but defend deadbeat filth who can’t find a crayon to fill out the paperwork required to steal a living from my public lands without paying me a fee.
Then they threaten to murder government workers who aren’t armed.
I wonder if this guy will be up there too, sniffing the nose candy.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/parris-frazier-patriot-militia-drug-bust
The militias the Republican Party encourages as their paramilitary last line of offense resemble the Taliban in both their tastes for pigf*cking extreme murderous religious scruples and drugs.
No doubt, when this guy finally shakes Donald Trump, he’ll work with the militias behind the scenes to patrol vaginal entryways (armed Republican pox-carriers will be the only ones permitted entry into the American vagina) —
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1398142/-There-was-that-time-JEB-forced-single-mothers-to-post-their-sexual-history-in-the-newspaper
—– or to destroy his enemies among decorated veterans–
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/jeb-bush-swift-boat-veterans-2016/index.html
But don’t worry. There will be huge tax cuts.
This is armed pigf*cking republican government:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1411793/-Another-miner-summons-armed-militia-to-protect-his-abuse-of-public-lands
They defend government murderers in Ferguson, but defend deadbeat filth who can’t find a crayon to fill out the paperwork required to steal a living from my public lands without paying me a fee.
Then they threaten to murder government workers who aren’t armed.
I wonder if this guy will be up there too, sniffing the nose candy.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/parris-frazier-patriot-militia-drug-bust
The militias the Republican Party encourages as their paramilitary last line of offense resemble the Taliban in both their tastes for pigf*cking extreme murderous religious scruples and drugs.
No doubt, when this guy finally shakes Donald Trump, he’ll work with the militias behind the scenes to patrol vaginal entryways (armed Republican pox-carriers will be the only ones permitted entry into the American vagina) —
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1398142/-There-was-that-time-JEB-forced-single-mothers-to-post-their-sexual-history-in-the-newspaper
—– or to destroy his enemies among decorated veterans–
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/jeb-bush-swift-boat-veterans-2016/index.html
But don’t worry. There will be huge tax cuts.
This is armed pigf*cking republican government:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1411793/-Another-miner-summons-armed-militia-to-protect-his-abuse-of-public-lands
They defend government murderers in Ferguson, but defend deadbeat filth who can’t find a crayon to fill out the paperwork required to steal a living from my public lands without paying me a fee.
Then they threaten to murder government workers who aren’t armed.
I wonder if this guy will be up there too, sniffing the nose candy.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/parris-frazier-patriot-militia-drug-bust
The militias the Republican Party encourages as their paramilitary last line of offense resemble the Taliban in both their tastes for pigf*cking extreme murderous religious scruples and drugs.
No doubt, when this guy finally shakes Donald Trump, he’ll work with the militias behind the scenes to patrol vaginal entryways (armed Republican pox-carriers will be the only ones permitted entry into the American vagina) —
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1398142/-There-was-that-time-JEB-forced-single-mothers-to-post-their-sexual-history-in-the-newspaper
—– or to destroy his enemies among decorated veterans–
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/jeb-bush-swift-boat-veterans-2016/index.html
But don’t worry. There will be huge tax cuts.
Too good not to share.
My cable TV includes a menu of all the stations and what they are/will be showing. Together with a note of what the show is about. Among to day’s listings:
“Democratic presidential candidates, including former Governor Jeb Bush (R-FL), speak at the Iowa State Fair in Des Moines.”
I bet his opponents for the Republican nomination are falling all ovrer themselves laughing. 😉
Too good not to share.
My cable TV includes a menu of all the stations and what they are/will be showing. Together with a note of what the show is about. Among to day’s listings:
“Democratic presidential candidates, including former Governor Jeb Bush (R-FL), speak at the Iowa State Fair in Des Moines.”
I bet his opponents for the Republican nomination are falling all ovrer themselves laughing. 😉
Too good not to share.
My cable TV includes a menu of all the stations and what they are/will be showing. Together with a note of what the show is about. Among to day’s listings:
“Democratic presidential candidates, including former Governor Jeb Bush (R-FL), speak at the Iowa State Fair in Des Moines.”
I bet his opponents for the Republican nomination are falling all ovrer themselves laughing. 😉
Step right up, sonny, and stick out your neck and take a gander through the 2015 right-wing Overton Window. Only $5.00!
Get yer fresh perspective right chere, ladies and germs! Sponsered by the Ringling Koch Brothers, no pun intended.
Watch out though, the window moves fast and could take your head off if you aren’t alert. Here’s a little hint — it only slides to the right, and quickly, so be on your toes!
Straight ahead, you have moderate conservatives Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and a cast of thousands. If you crane your neck to the left, you’ll see in diminishing order, for your viewing pleasure: RINO John Kasich, whoudathunk, haw, haw and a little further down, well, who’s that, it’s none other than pink around the edges, liberal Democrat Jeb Bush, haw, haw, haw!
We like to call him DINO just between you and me and 27% of the country.
And if you squint real good while looking way further to the left you might catch a glimpse of noted Commie Red, yassiree, it’s Dwight D. Eisenhower! And who is that nearly right next to him. Here, let me adjust my glasses up and down and use my good eye. Why, it’s none other than Barack Hussein Obama, the Kenyan witch doctor, folks.
Care to peek, Miss? Only $5.00 of your hard-earned money. Just through this curtain. Go on, don’t be shy. Here, Miss, let me hold your purse. Would you like to touch my corn dog? .. haw, haw, haw, just a little gag courtesy of Trump Enterprises!
Not six dollars! Nope, only $5.00 of gold-backed currency on the barrel head. It doesn’t take a degree in thermodynamics to see that’s a bargain.
Whaddaya lookin at, kid? Get away from me, ya bother me. Yes, guns allowed! What’s it to ya?
Step right up, sonny, and stick out your neck and take a gander through the 2015 right-wing Overton Window. Only $5.00!
Get yer fresh perspective right chere, ladies and germs! Sponsered by the Ringling Koch Brothers, no pun intended.
Watch out though, the window moves fast and could take your head off if you aren’t alert. Here’s a little hint — it only slides to the right, and quickly, so be on your toes!
Straight ahead, you have moderate conservatives Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and a cast of thousands. If you crane your neck to the left, you’ll see in diminishing order, for your viewing pleasure: RINO John Kasich, whoudathunk, haw, haw and a little further down, well, who’s that, it’s none other than pink around the edges, liberal Democrat Jeb Bush, haw, haw, haw!
We like to call him DINO just between you and me and 27% of the country.
And if you squint real good while looking way further to the left you might catch a glimpse of noted Commie Red, yassiree, it’s Dwight D. Eisenhower! And who is that nearly right next to him. Here, let me adjust my glasses up and down and use my good eye. Why, it’s none other than Barack Hussein Obama, the Kenyan witch doctor, folks.
Care to peek, Miss? Only $5.00 of your hard-earned money. Just through this curtain. Go on, don’t be shy. Here, Miss, let me hold your purse. Would you like to touch my corn dog? .. haw, haw, haw, just a little gag courtesy of Trump Enterprises!
Not six dollars! Nope, only $5.00 of gold-backed currency on the barrel head. It doesn’t take a degree in thermodynamics to see that’s a bargain.
Whaddaya lookin at, kid? Get away from me, ya bother me. Yes, guns allowed! What’s it to ya?
Step right up, sonny, and stick out your neck and take a gander through the 2015 right-wing Overton Window. Only $5.00!
Get yer fresh perspective right chere, ladies and germs! Sponsered by the Ringling Koch Brothers, no pun intended.
Watch out though, the window moves fast and could take your head off if you aren’t alert. Here’s a little hint — it only slides to the right, and quickly, so be on your toes!
Straight ahead, you have moderate conservatives Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and a cast of thousands. If you crane your neck to the left, you’ll see in diminishing order, for your viewing pleasure: RINO John Kasich, whoudathunk, haw, haw and a little further down, well, who’s that, it’s none other than pink around the edges, liberal Democrat Jeb Bush, haw, haw, haw!
We like to call him DINO just between you and me and 27% of the country.
And if you squint real good while looking way further to the left you might catch a glimpse of noted Commie Red, yassiree, it’s Dwight D. Eisenhower! And who is that nearly right next to him. Here, let me adjust my glasses up and down and use my good eye. Why, it’s none other than Barack Hussein Obama, the Kenyan witch doctor, folks.
Care to peek, Miss? Only $5.00 of your hard-earned money. Just through this curtain. Go on, don’t be shy. Here, Miss, let me hold your purse. Would you like to touch my corn dog? .. haw, haw, haw, just a little gag courtesy of Trump Enterprises!
Not six dollars! Nope, only $5.00 of gold-backed currency on the barrel head. It doesn’t take a degree in thermodynamics to see that’s a bargain.
Whaddaya lookin at, kid? Get away from me, ya bother me. Yes, guns allowed! What’s it to ya?
Watch out though, the window moves fast and could take your head off if you aren’t alert. Here’s a little hint — it only slides to the right, and quickly, so be on your toes!
…
And if you squint real good while looking way further to the left …
Heh. I want the movie rights.
–TP
Watch out though, the window moves fast and could take your head off if you aren’t alert. Here’s a little hint — it only slides to the right, and quickly, so be on your toes!
…
And if you squint real good while looking way further to the left …
Heh. I want the movie rights.
–TP
Watch out though, the window moves fast and could take your head off if you aren’t alert. Here’s a little hint — it only slides to the right, and quickly, so be on your toes!
…
And if you squint real good while looking way further to the left …
Heh. I want the movie rights.
–TP
I think this is the most recent open thread.
This should be required reading:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/magazine/the-bail-trap.html?action=click&contentCollection=magazine®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
H/T to Greenfield.
I think this is the most recent open thread.
This should be required reading:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/magazine/the-bail-trap.html?action=click&contentCollection=magazine®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
H/T to Greenfield.
I think this is the most recent open thread.
This should be required reading:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/magazine/the-bail-trap.html?action=click&contentCollection=magazine®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
H/T to Greenfield.